I can see the business case for supplying Office Buildings and even some schools with these laptops. In the long run they are easy enough to repair an upgrade should they need to be and beats having to completely replace equipment periodically which will be more costly.
Really all they need to really help in that space would be a dock that attaches via usb c. Along with if companies can keep the chassis and just replace the motherboard / cpu every 3 years. I think it'll become a no brainer to purchase at scale.
They'll need to be a hell of a lot more rugged if they're ever going to be used in schools. Even rugged education-grade netbooks get trashed by irresponsible school kids.
For business yeah, i can totally see that. My old company threw away the laptops every 2 years pretty much. Well really depends on how much upgrades framework will have.
He made the point in his video. The company already had another investor in this buy in willing to stake the extra 200k so they were getting the money Linus or no. But Linus is visible, he's noteworthy, and he has connections at companies like AMD and Nvidia that he can leverage for them.
@@JKSSubstandard It was insanely risky for him as well, not the money though he could lose it all but because it directly affects his channel and content as he stated.
@@joer8854 Yes and no, as we've seen with GN and Linus has the same effect, them _not_ having their products reviewed by them is worse than one bad review. And they know this, since several of them have tried to pull BS in the past and that got them a lot more negative attention that a bad product or two.
Linus has also said in past videos that he struggles giving product recommendations on consumer products, because the moment he does, it's sold out and you can't get it anymore.
I am wondering how many of the 5 billion views were from interested parties (ie in favour of RtR) compared to the suits and their employees/ lawyers, who are rightly looking at LTT and RtR and now Frame/Work as something to have sleepless nights over 🙂🙂🙂
Starting a company is very hard. Starting a good sustainable company is on another lever. And it's good Framework got the whole Tech Community behind them!
It's very easy to start a "sustainable company" with the right politician bribes outlawing all your competition. Just as long as their kickbacks come in and on time. "Solyndra".
"Starting" a company isn't hard at all. Starting a "sustainable" company without major backing is hard. Starting one that goes against the mold especially one that has proven to not be sustainable is on another level*.
@@LiveType not just being a sustainable company is hard but being independent sustainable company without being taken over by other big tech company and got it's product thrown into the depot and left it rot is much harder.
Framework is insane; you can extract the motherboard of the laptop, put it onto cardboard and it could still work. They can do so much with this concept after theyve set themselves up in the market. Imagine an entire diy laptop/peripherals ecosystem
And they're flat out publishing physical specs for it, so that if you want to print a case for it or something, it will be able to function as a mini PC even after you've upgraded to a better motherboard for a laptop. This is everything laptops should have been in the past decade or so, it's amazing that someone is finally doing it.
They basically want to make the culture around laptops like that of desktops (where you can easily just buy parts and case and put one together) and I love their vision.
Another thing to think about is how much money Louis has spent in expenses and lost wages through lobbying over the years. All of that adds up to a significant amount you could have invested in yourself and your company, but you invested it in the movement. You may not directly be able to invest, but I believe most people including those at Framework understand and appreciate that Right to Repair wouldn't have gotten here as fast as it did without your personal investment.
Yea, this needs to be up higher, Louis has sacrificed so much in the past for the good of society with everything he's contributed to R2R. He can't be too mad at himself. That's not even including all the educational content he's created and schematics he has mapped for the public
@@fitulus definitely. I just thought since this video has Louis talking about how he's not in a position to do that, and the other contributors are less likely to see the comment.
Louis' investment of time and effort, as superb as it is (and as a consumer, I'm as grateful as any other), is not entirely altruistic. Louis made it clear in a video some time ago that he faced being forced out of business if manufacturers (looking at you Crapple) were able to make products unrepairable either by design or non-availability of parts. Louis is investing in his own business - and helping others along the way, which seems to be his thing.
Linus came out and not only said he'd invested, but then told every one how much he put in. He then went on to explain why he did it, why the company needs investment, and why he believes in Framework's business model. And even though he didn't want to, he stopped reviewing other laptops to avoid any appearance of conflict. And make no mistake, Linus is not being altruistic, and believes he will make his money back, and more, someday. That's part of investing. Framework not only gets Linus' money, they also get his marketing experience, his knowledge of the industry, and his connections to Intel, AMD, Nvidia, etc who will matter when they company wants to expand. Everyone wants Ryzen Framework laptops; knowing who at AMD they need to talk to makes a huge difference.
he hasn't excused himself from laptop reviews just yet. And I personally don't think it will make that much difference, he's always shown that he's happy to say 'fuck you' to the people paying him
I don't think he said hed stop laptop reviews, but I'm pretty sure he was just pointing out that people might wonder if he's impartial still now that he's invested, and that this could hurt his business but he did it anyway because he believes in the company's mission.
@@Jazz914 He said he won't be involved in the editorial sense, meaning he won't really be reviewing laptops himself, but the writing staff will. Basically what was already happening for the most part.
@qtsssim theranos frauded a new invention that outcompetes established analytical chemistry instrumentation; framework is making a laptop. No comparison to make here
@@coryv5679 should we leave that to the large corporations invested in their own products rather than reviewers who need the viewers to trust them for their business to succeed?
"I made multiple stupid personal and business decisions which have seriously hurt my bottom line." How many people would admit this so bluntly in public, let alone on a TH-cam channel with thousands of subscribers? This no bullshit frankness and honesty, along with your fairness and integrity are why I love you Louis! You may not be a billionaire, but you are a great person.
It wouldn't make sense for their first product. I think the next update is a ryzen cpu. Then maybe next we'll see a dGPU options. So (sadly) not before next year at least IMO
You know, you are rapidly becoming a lighthouse. You participate in a dark and stormy environment, you are steadfast, you warn of dangers…. And you can be trusted. Any man that publicly admits to his faults AND explains the lessons learned… The mistakes you made got you where you are. It’s a pretty impressive place.
@StopaskingformynameTH-cam upvoted for the username. I get popups on my phone almost every two days asking for my date of birth on one of my other accounts. I know I could just put in a fake date but can't be bothered logging in
Same if they sell in EU by then. I had to buy a new laptop last year because the CPU of the previous one wasn't powerful to do work with it while Zoom was open. So I hope to not have to buy a new one before 5-7 years.
@@progenitor_amborella I try to use my hardware as long as possible. Even my 7 yrs old laptop which isn't powerful enough for work anymore is still used as a media center after changing the original hard drive with a new SSD. (Plus this spares me from having to buy an external DVD reader)
@@nightfox6738 I'm running a used Lenovo T440p that recently gave me a solid two days of randomly deciding that the FN key is now on for the next 5 minutes despite no visual indication. I am so fucking ready for this to ship to europe you can't believe.
@@nightfox6738 Funnily enough, the type of issue I had was not keyboard based. I dug my way past a dozen or so threads on stackoverflow and another half dozen buggs, the functionality behind that specific key is bios controlled. I have no idea why my laptop appears to be that crazily off its rocker, and luckily enough it's currently not throwing such a hissy fit, but man am I ready to have something that can watch a youtube video at 720p without heating up to 60°C
Another thing that Linus mentioned: Linus can use his influence for the benefit of the company, like getting AMD in on this project, or getting other companies to partner to develop products with framework, as well as reach out to other media houses to spread the idea of the Framework laptop and right to repair!
@@batt3ryac1d I think people overestimate his, or anyone's, influence over anything. his contacts are basically marketing people who have no influence on the direction of the company they work for, they're just responsible to make the company look good no matter what it does. Yeah AMD can easily lend its support to framework, but it stems from their own "DNA" (if you will) as a company, nothing to do with Linus. They would also consider any PR benefits of doing so, regardless of Linus' opinion on the matter.
@@ylcard on WAN Show Friday, Linus said that AMD is at least talking with Framework. At the very least, the first step of getting other companies involved (and AMD's past support of Open Source would have me believe it'll happen) is happening.
@@ylcard I think you are underestimating the 14M tech enthusiast niche to whom any tech brand would want to sell to. Also, if a half of the 14M audience decide not to buy from a brand around the world and start building a negative sentiment about the said brand among their peers, friends, family, relatives and workplaces, can you imagine how that could have massive repercussions for that brand both from revenue perspective and intangible brand equity perspective? What if a 7 million tech enthusiasts recommend against using a brand? What happens when other media outlets picks up the negative message from Linus and publish all across the web? What do you think would happen to the share value of that company? In the internet era, managing and shepherding the community towards a positive sentiment is crucial for a brand to succeed and Shepherds like Linus, is of utmost importance for brands. That’s why when he roasted Intel on his video, Intel turned around and gave him thousands and thousands of $ worth of products and sponsorships. AMD’s sudden success, is purely a result of how much the tech influencers were excited about what they got compared to the Intel product. For most people, Intel offerings are more than good enough and don’t need the extra cores and performance delivered by AMD. People end up switching to AMD only because the tech influencers hype the brand up. So much so that now Intel seems like the underdog! So yeah, I think you are underestimating the value of a 14 million niche to which Linus is the shepherd. Jesus started a religion with only 12. What do you think Linus can do with 14 million?
I like Musk, he does some awesome shit, even Tesla is good in the sense of popularizing electric cars, but he won't support right to repair until it conveniences him somehow. As long as he can charge you a 20k USD battery pack instead of fixing a 50 cent coolant nipple, it's obvious he'll stick with Apple's school of repairability. Just don't buy a Tesla until this changes.
Oddly enough people might call it click bait but I appreciate the title of "I am legally obligated to disclose this" because it's completely transparent and draws a ton of attention to the fact that he has invested and you should keep that in mind when listening to his discuss framework. It also has the benefit of being the truth, it is part of both Canadian and US Law that he disclose that investment. It also shows me respect as a consumer of his media and I like that.
Also, I had heard that Linus was considering investing (probably from his podcast), and I immediately knew what the video was about. I appreciated the transparency, and will continue to appreciate the transparency.
I'm going to be buying one and marketing the SHIT out of this laptop at my store. Absolutely love what they are doing for the industry, the consumer, and the planet. The balls it must've took for this company to even CONSIDER making this laptop is insane. It's up to us to make sure that they can continue their mission. I'll be more than glad to help them by spreading the word.
I've chewed through so many laptops I was stoked to hear about this but sadly no discrete graphics options as of yet. Once they can make that happen I will happily give them my money.
It's unhealthy if you are constantly bothered by it, if you only think about your missed opportunities once in a while it'll help you reflect on what to do differently in the future.
The fact that Louis called that one person who’s worth “almost a billion dollars” it going to keep them up at night until they are worth over a billion dollars.
I had the same feeling... Linus sees a lot of tech and if he is willing to invest in something because he thinks it is special then that should mean something. I also hope that with the investments they are able to make one with a discrete GPU, so I can buy one too. :)
Ya, I really would like to help support them, but I'd need something with a dGPU for it to make sense for me to replace my current laptop (that I don't use so much anymore and will use even less when I get my Steam Deck). My wife needs a Macbook for FaceTime and has no interest in going back to Windows unless they have a better FaceTime environment on Windows, and my kids are still too young to need a laptop. Hoping it works out for them, and I'll be looking to see what they have available in 2 years or so.
@@FireMrshlBill maybe just maybe, they could have a cable port on the motherboard to connect an external PCIE slot for a dedicated GPU(I forgot the nam but I think some motherboard has it)
@@Max128ping you can do a thunderbolt dock for an eGPU, but for me I’d want an internal dGPU, especially one that is upgradable. But yes, an external gpu is a viable option for many people.
Even thiugh they dont, is there a sloy on these current models to add one in later? If so, could be worthwhile for productivity and casual browsing the internet.
@@PinkBunnyCorporation you can likely use an external, but you can’t add a card internally. For work and productivity it is fine, but my company issues me one for that. If I was to buy one it would be for personal use and that includes games.
I use a samsung r505 laptop from 2009. Everything is changeable: the drive, the RAM, the CPU (socketed and you can use all the CPUS of the same family since they have the same powerdraw and arent blocked via the bios), the wireless controller, the keyboard can be changed without taking anything apart, and even the screen is really easy to change. The whole machine can be taken apart with one screwdriver with the same bit, only 2 different sizes of screws are used on the whole machine. They dont built em like they used to.
@Andtp Fack: they do build them like that. Last year I sold a laptop from Clevo which not only had a socketed user-replaceable CPU, but it had dual MXM slots so that two user upgradeable GPUs could be run in SLI. It also had upgradable RAM, and upgradeable drives (plural). Framework seems to be "framing" that they offer unique features, but nothing which I have seen actually reveals that as true.
I had a similar laptop. I also repaired and upgraded it as much as I could over the years, Until I accidentally killed it after 8 years of ownership. It was a great laptop. ...then I switched to an 8yo used Dell I got from a customer, which I also upgraded and repaired until it started having hardware issues that are beyond my abilities...
I have said I love the concept and I want this to be the future. Linus' investment makes me more confident about that. Will have to buy one in the future
After 12 years of trackpoint evangelism, I gave it up for this. I was also thinking of replacing my ThinkPad with a computer that has a 24,000 CPU benchmark score so that when I edit videos that are large and render them it sucks less, but this is more important to me.
At a certain point, I wonder if Lenovo's issues are related to the components sourced from other manufacturers? They obviously design their laptops well and give repair manuals, but not down to the components level. Perhaps it's an agreement with their own vendors?
I doubt it; their policy for allowing people to get a license to "officially" do their repairs..... that has nothing to do with the other manufacturers. And frankly, it's usually the other way around. The Laptop companies don't allow the manufacturers to sell the parts or give the schematics..
Another of Rossman 's vids is an interview with guy from system 76. That video covered part of the schematics issue- all the mobo manufacturers have some kind of NDA in play. I expect frame.Work is up against similar issues
Hey Louis. I saw you on national news today. They were talking about right to repair. I've been watching you for over a year, and your hard work for RTR is starting to pay off. I'm proud of you brother! Keep pushing forward.
Thanks for highlighting Linus's effort and investment. Even though you can't invest, your support of Linus's efforts has a considerable weight to it. Linus may run a more successful business and have an incredible subscriber base, don't forget that you've been to congress, and helped bring Right to Repair into the forefront of public conversation. So, what I'm saying Louis is try not to kick yourself too hard. Maybe it's time for another Louis Rossman/LTT team up, a good sit down conversation between the two of you presented in a way that applies to viewers, but also these billionaire types who want to know more and need help making the leap. Could be some good stuff there.
"a good sit down conversation between the two of you presented in a way that applies to viewers, but also these billionaire types who want to know more and need help making the leap" And hopefully doesn't involve Linus being a complete clown via giving himself a wedgie to shill overpriced merch. Or defending overpriced & underperforming products like the RTX 3080 Tie via attacking reviewers who actually did their jobs correctly.
@@mjc0961 lol, he did no such thing, he gives his honest impressions and wasn't even particularly involved in the making of the 3080 Ti review, Anthony does all the testing and LTT simply decided to do the review from the perspective of people whom might actually buy it, which is perfectly reasonable because that's the point of a review. For that reason he still stands behind what was said, maintaining his integrity but has decided because of the backlash and most of his audience not being those people, to continue doing reviews from the average perspective.
@@mjc0961 perhaps I used a combination of words and grammar that are too evolved, which is why Louis and Linus get paid the big bucks (*TH-cam viewer revenue is a joke) to devolve the conversation into fifteen minute chunks designed to be consumed by trolls with the attention span of gnats. Don't quote me unless you know what the topic is about, and you are prepared to put your brain behind what you are trying to say. This is about Right To Repair and not how youtubers make their businesses sustainable. Hey, I hope you learned something, ... hell, anything really. Aaannnd post!
@@waylontmccann "perhaps I used a combination of words and grammar that are too evolved" Too bad you're not evolved enough to understand that coming right off the bat with a condescending and holier than thou tone like yours is a great way to lose any potential legitimacy to how you present information in order to teach, advise or convince others, and it makes you just come off as a short sighted asshole who is really easy to write off and ignore.
All I'm worried about is if they'll be able to make profit long term. I really hope this business model is good for them and they're able to compete with the bigger companies.
Watch Linus' video. He went in detail on why FW needed a large sum of capital from potential investors, to push large amounts of stock and be competitive, while being profitable. Linus explains it really well.
Licensing the modular system so other OEMs can create their own platforms could also be a way. Imagine being the license holder for the ATX standard, but for laptops
key word was. they have bios hardware whitelists, and are soldering a very large portion of the components now, including on their T series laptops. they're not the ibm thinkpads people remember. they're crappy macbook clones with terrible screen and a trackpoint, and the trackpoint is the only reason I still care about them.
@@tassadarforaiur The reason why CPUs are soldered on Thinkpads is because both AMD and Intel gave up on socketed CPUs. Finding socketed GPU’s was a rarity already
Keyword "WAS" like someone else said. Their glory days are over. When it comes time for me to buy a new laptop, there will be only one choice for me: Framework.
I’d be more willing to invest in the company than buy the laptop.... because I just bought a Ryzen laptop and really like it. But also Linus has big balls 👍🏻👍🏻 Edit: holy crap, don’t ever use the word “invest” if you don’t want the bots to swarm...
@@bite-my-shinny-metal-ass damn me too, now I'm a centodozillionaire in just over a month! I can finally afford to buy that half-eaten Cheeto at my local Walmart counter
I don't expect to need a new laptop for about 5 years, but if Framework is still around at that point and making laptops of similar quality/competitiveness as their current offering, they will be at the top of my list.
I get the feeling the Framework will become very popular via dev's ability to choose their own device. It's the modern, agile, headless software concept in hardware form. A physical embodiment of the new world of API's, integrations and cross platform experiences.
Louis, regarding right to repair. How do you feel about Open Source Hardware? I'm asking because the EU has recently released a report about the Economic Impact of Open Source Software and Open Source Hardware. The report concluded that with a little more investment the EU could lead the OSS and OSH market and gain significant revenue as a result.
I personally think open source hardware is (at least for integrated circuits, so really most things) mostly hype. The cost of a piece of software is mostly in the development and once you have a "design", manufacturing/compiling it is relatively trivial. Not to mention the difference between a good piece of software and a great piece of software can be huge. So by choosing open source, a lot of money can be saved and a lot of performance can be gained. Business level aside, which often demands great customer support and is willing to pay loads for it, consumer software support typically isn't a sizable revenue stream. Not to mention the way a lot of software makes money is not by charging upfront but by 'selling' user data or more fairly access to users, so persuading users to buy the next version doesn't make sense. So compared to open source software, building from scratch oftentimes isn't worth the tradeoff. Hardware isn't like that. If I'm not mistaken hardware design is relatively (I stress relatively) much simpler. Sure there are black magic things you can do, but in general if you just naïvely create something according to how you think it should work and even route your traces fully automatically using standard algorisms, you will end up with a design not far from industry standard. On the other hand, production is very much non trivial, in fact creating tooling and the assembly process can very much be the bulk of your up front costs. Again for consumer level, hardware repair costs money, sometimes prohibitive amounts. Hardware also almost always charges money up front, so nudging users to buy the next version makes a lot more sense. So open source hardware really offers relatively little. Overall unless something drastic about the manufacturing process changes (maybe once 3d printing pcb becomes more accessible and precise, probably also need much higher density and being able to do multi layer much easier) I don't see open source hardware gaining that much ground. Happy to be wrong ofc.
@@randomnobody660 "[for hardware,] production is very much non trivial" Absolutely, and this is where OSHW is going to get stuck if it isn't forward-thinking enough. OSHW, when it gets simplified as a rallying point for open-source activism, will end up just meaning that the _design information_ for a piece of hardware is open sourced. This would still be a significant advance, make no mistake. The first layer of this is basically schematics / board drawings / component lists (the kind of stuff Louis cares about for repair). The next layer is the design _files_ required to _replicate or modify_ the design in some EDA program like e.g. EAGLE or KiCad. The next layer would be the files representing the final design for fabrication. But _the FABRICATION process itself_ is not yet open. Considered as a body of knowledge, it is (1) very technically complex, (2) uneconomical (but not impossible) to implement at small scale for custom designs, (3) surely full of trade secrets, and (4) definitely a significant source of strategic national advantage. As a result, fab process details, bleeding-edge chip design technical knowledge, and the EDA tools that make those things possible, will be resistant to "openness". The idea of OSHW will probably gain traction, and some ground may be gained. But Open Source Hardware _Fabrication?_ That will be much harder.
@@AexisRai Hm, I suppose that's my misunderstanding. My exposure to open source hardware advocates have typically been strong dyi people who actually build what they design, but I definitely see a "softer" part of it as more viable. I do think only open sourcing the design process with no way to do anything with the design is a tad strange thou. In software lots of companies or individuals can make changes to fix problems they are having or add features they want, then according to license they contribute those changes back. It's probably harder to grow that community if contributors have a hard time getting any use out of what they are building. Open source software stood on its own (however many) feet, and now it's often just economically superior to use accept the license and use open source software for a lot of companies (even if some do violate those licenses semi-frequently). It feels almost silly advocating for software open sourcing now because it'll get there one day regardless; if anything somebody to enforce licenses is probably more important. Hardware feels like it hasn't even gotten started, and I do think some way to reap the results of ones contribution is borderline essential to get the ball rolling. Otherwise, hardware can't really go the route software went.
At 4:52 you mention the engineer talking to people on the forum about designing an accessory for their platform. As the company scales I wonder how easy it would be to continue such practices when they are at the scale of something Dell or Apple. I hope they invest in keeping that communication open even at large scale. That would be important for a right to repair company who supports third party partnerships.
Not as impossible as you would think. Sure, some posts/comments might be overlooked as someone gets bigger, but at the same time they have more resources. If they dedicate some of those extra resources to it, it wouldn't be too hard.
@@raza2594 If that is the case then why do large companies have notoriously bad customer/ contact service? I think in this case it would be much different because they would need customer interfacing help and collaboration interfacing help. Both of which, to be effective, would need someone quite well versed with the innerworkings of how to communicate in the company, as well as the technology itself.
@@reinbeers5322 I understand it's usually cutting corners for cost savings. I was saying this as a response to @Rafael Zaglas saying it isn't as impossible as you think. It seems, from many examples of large companies, to be something that is hard to get right.
Hmm, I wonder how Framework would interact with System76. One is making good hardware, the other makes good software (well technically both, but I would much prefer the Framework system on the hardware side). I hope they don’t end up stepping on each other and weakening both.
what's nice about this situation is that Linus has a big enough platform and audience willing to drop money based on his recommendations to really give a company like Framework a fighting chance.
I wonder if it would be a good idea to keep a few of these framework laptops in your store as something you can recommend and offer support for if they break
@@randominternetguy3537 not even an agreement to resell, Framework is still doing pre-order batches for their fulfillment, as they can't get enough to fulfill demand. Or/also, it keeps them from overextending on orders from the actual manufacturer, beyond current demand levels. Perhaps in a year, they'll be able to have these stocked in the US, let alone at resellers, but every laptop they have built currently is already allocated to a specific customer's order.
I can imagine that once Framework gets big enough, Rossman's store/repair stores in general could totally become resellers/vendors of laptops from Framework and other companies that support Right to Repair.
It was apparently not needed at all. They had already secured the money Linus invested way before he contacted him, but they decided to go with Linus due to his connections. There are often other benefits of investments than just the money
@@soundninja99 not just his connections, but also his audience. Many people are probably hesitant to buy a laptop from a company they've never heard of before, even if it is repairable. Having someone they trust say that not only is the product good, but they've invested in the company themselves, goes a long way in overcoming that hesitancy.
@@soundninja99 Usually on kickstarter you are given a product and some merch or other incentives when its not equity, so you could just buy the product if you want to support the company. Also the OP used the word "investors" which gives a different impression.
Assuming two things: A: I have a job (*&¤"% covid) B: They start shipping to EU (preferable with Swedish keyboard as option) I'll order one next time I need a new laptop.
Im so happy to see such project being approved and sponsored by guys like you Louis. This would be so amazing for all tech enthusiasts if it will ever come to life. I never looked at right to repair so deeply before your videos and I absolutely love to see it flourish. Keep up the work for the people.
I hope Framework is successful enough to take a stab at building a phone *with an easily removable/replaceable battery*. I'd buy that in a heartbeat even if it didn't have class-leading performance.
One of Framework's biggest selling points for a lot of would-be anti-RtR folk is that they proved you don't need to sacrifice performance or form-factor to achieve a Right to Repair friendly design. So if they ever went to making smartphones, I'd expect that smartphone to blow everyone away as much as the laptop did with its openness. A Framework phone for me would basically look like a more open Sony Xperia. Now, the Framework laptop doesn't have a user-replaceable battery in the same way old laptops do. Old laptops allowed you to take the battery out without removing either the back or front covers (and often the keyboard and/or trackpad along with it), but you still couldn't buy the battery on its own, you had to sacrifice a donor laptop for it. While here, the battery is still internal, it's just easier to open the laptop up and you can buy the battery directly from the manufacturer.
I'm glad Linus invested in them. I would love to see Framework create more repair friendly laptops. (Hopefully they will make an industrial laptop for people who work in construction, plumbing, electrical wiring, automotive etc.)
13:27 I wouldn't take the approach of you making bad business & life decisions has lead you not being to invest in Framework. I'd say you making right business & life decisions and being the person you are has lead you gathering a very large audience that will hear you talking about the importance of right to repair. And now we hear you supporting Linus' investment which through your own audience will at least directly create demand for Framework laptops, as well as confirming that investing in the company is a step towards the right direction. You and Linus are complementing each other in very different ways, and you both add value to the subject of right to repair.
It was such a big flex for Linus to invest into Framework. Absolutely amazing that he is doing this. It will give them a popularity boost which will increase sales and allow them to grow.
I said it on Linus' video, but I'll say it here too. His videos are not my style. However I give him MASSIVE credit for being open, honest and frank about things, and the fact he was willing to disclose the investment publicly and then state that he won't review laptops because of a perception of bias speaks hugely to his credibility.
I do not know if you watched all the Linus video (viewer retention), but opening and adding meaningful comment does good for the algorithm, so cudos to your contribution
@@dontkillbees I absolutely did. This kind of thing is important to me too and once I saw what it was about I watched it fully. That way it shows engagement in the stats for him. The more people engaged the better
Thanks for highlighting someone doing the right thing! Many youtubers and media in general have a obvious negativity bias and will only make content if they have something or someone to complain about.
I respect you so much, the candid explanation of your situation was appreciated. Sometimes it’s hard to not assume that all youtube content creators aren’t millionaires.
Linus has shown me once again that he is a man that i can respect. It takes a lot of risk to invest that kind of money regardless of how much you have in the bank in a new company. But if this works out, we might see consumer friendly laptops and that gives me a lot of hope.
I have been in computing since before the release of the IBM PC. Originally the PC was designed to be able to modify, upgrade, and replace components. That is why there are slots and empty bays. But to get small enough to be portable, PCs became very proprietary and complex. You didn't use to need people like Mr. Rossmann to fix computers. But the advent of small notebooks, smartphones, and tablets created the need for his services. What this video seems to be saying is that notebook computers are going back to being fixable, modifiable, and upgradable PCs.
@drwisdom1: I have also been programming since before the IBM PC existed. I think it is disingenuous to suggest that the IBM PC was *ever* designed to be able to modify, upgrade or replace components. The Apple ][ perhaps! The IBM PC was proprietary. It took the efforts of individuals such as Tom Jennings at Phoenix Technologies to reverse engineer and implement an IBM PC compatible BIOS, before IBM PC compatible clones existed. Thanks to Tom Jennings' efforts, the IBM PC was cloned. However, prior to that, numerous Apple ][ clones also existed, here's an incomplete list documenting approximately 100 variants: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Apple_II_clones From my vantage, there have already been IBM PC compatible laptops from ODM/OEMs such as Clevo/Kapok (variously branded as Sager, Eurocom, HIDevolution, etc.) which already offer more upgradability than Framework. For a real libre/free open source laptop with a BOM (Build of Materials) and schematics available to anyone, there was the Novena Kosagi in 2014. Similarly, the PineBook Pro from 2020 is $200 and has schematics on their wiki, available to anyone, not just a "repair shop". IMHO, Framework, like the erroneous claim that the IBM PC was designed to be open, is not open. It is a canard, being supported by TH-cam personalities who have already received free samples. They are not providing real objective opinions.
@@grey5626 The IBM PC was an open system by accident. Once IBM realized they created a competitive market they couldn't control, they tried to shut it down by introducing the super proprietary PS/2 PC architecture. That foolishness made their PCs into overpriced incompatibles, destroying their sales. Eventually they ditched their PC/notebook business by selling it to Lenovo. I am a programmer that managed computers and networks at a corporate R&D facility. You can say they weren't open, but I was there and saw they were.
@@grey5626 I think he meant PC in general. IBM and their clones did set the stage for ATX standard which includes PCI standards AND 24 pin power, which is still in use today.
The reason I use a lenovo "Thinkpad" because all of the parts are available on their website for current in-use models and aftermarket replacement parts are available. I had to replace the keyboard and it took 2 screws and was about $10-20 to replace.
I installed an earlier keyboard in my T430. Had to Dremel some parts off because it didn't quite fit but it actually worked. I also replaced my CD drive with another hard disk, installed new fans, upgraded the WiFi, upgraded the CPU, upgraded the display, replaced the hinges (it actually had the design problem Louis said Lenovo doesn't have) Might not be _right to repair_ but damn if that wasn't the most modular Laptop I ever had.
Also supported 4 different types of batteries which is kinda incredible. I always stuck to the oversized pack in the back. No CD rom drive slot battery for me.
@IBUILTTHAT Lamentably, Thinkpads have been implementing PCI "whitelists" of approved peripherals which can be added (e.g. miniPCI cards for WiFi). While in some instances it is possible to modify the BIOS to circumvent that, Thinkpads are truly not as user upgradeable as they could be.
That's my favorite part of Linus putting up money, He's like "I may be just throwing money, but I'm hoping I can help them have sway in the tech industry with my connections to AMD, Intel, stuff like that" He's trying to help put the foot in the door. So excited to see where Framework goes
Louis, you do not need to apologize or feel bad that you do not have the means to invest big in Frameworks. You donate a ton of time and expense traveling to right to repair court proceedings and being a mouth piece for right to repair. Time is the most expensive commodity and you are investing big time with the one asset you have to help the cause. Kudos to you.
Linus' investment gives me hope the company will be a success. I know I want a laptop like this. And I know most tech guys would want one. We can do it. Change the industry for the better.
One of my biggest gripes has been the lack of a concentrated effort to circumvent the need for the concept of r2r by those capable of doing so, rather than expecting existing OEM’s to conform to inevitably contorted legislation we should buy our hardware from manufacturers that respect their customers from the point of sale all the way to EOL support.
@@egg5474 Just build your own twitter. Just build your own server backend. Just build your own DDOS mitigation network. Just build your own payment processor. Just build your own DNS. Just build your own internet.
Soon as I get out of college and start working I'm 100% buying a Framework laptop. I will likely never have the economy to invest in a company like this but I will have the money to vote with my wallet through buying their products, which is an investment in and of itself though at a much more granular scale. I urge anyone who's looking to buy a laptop in the next 2-3 years and likes what Framework is doing to consider them, possibly wait for the right hardware options or for them to ship to your country if necessary. I think this company is going to take off quickly, partially because of their amazing press and especially because they entered the market with possibly one of the most attractive ultrabooks out there, even being decent from a price to preformance perspective (remember, ultrabooks tend to be extremely overpriced, but with this one you're actually getting something for that money which is that repairable and modular design)
Thinkpads are idiot proof. At work we used to grab them by the top of the scren and lift them like that to undock them and close them on the go. Never a screen or hinge problem.
If I was Linus and had the money he has I would invest too. He's someone who genuinely cares and his input in ANY aspect of that company is a huge asset.
Make fun of the shilling, that shilling provided the quarter of a million dollars that is now going to a right to repair friendly company. I don't shill much but I also don't have a quarter million dollars in my back pocket to hand over to a company that is actively changing the world in a positive way. Making money is a good thing because it allows you to spend it on people, ideas, and concepts that make the world a better place, and when you don't have it, you can't. I can sit here all day saying look, I don't shill this product or that product, but I also don't have the money to put where my mouth is to actually support the companies and people that are creating real, tangible change. And at the end of the day, what is more important? The ability to say that you did not advertise another company's product, or the ability to say I spent a quarter of a million dollars trying to move the world towards being closer in line with my values? He gets a lot of crap for being a walking ad, but think twice before making fun of him for shilling things. That has produced the wealth that will kickstart positively changing the world. He's doing something good with it. Good on him. Praise be to tunnel , dbrand, audible, ExpressVPN, and whatever the hell else. All for a good cause.
@@rossmanngroup You know the meme of the guy sitting at a park table with "change my mind"? I agree with @michiganjack - but you changed my mind. Great points.
@@rossmanngroup think you're a bit tired my dude. He wasn't insulting it. Just a bit of gag with sponsors. They are commonplace and most are ok with it. They just make memes of it for laughs.
This is huge. Between Linus backing them and You, Louis, continuing the war against thugs an tyrants of products, this is great. (I wish my peddly money could help but im a bit thin) Thank you Louis! an for those that do have the money are are just waiting, You know, Nothing right will ever get done if everyone waits for someone else.
"This is what the free market is all about" I completely agree. I'm torn on the whole right-to-repair issue. I _personally_ 100% agree with the concept and wish companies did better. Absolutely, put all the social and economic pressure on them as you can muster. But when it comes to actually legislating this stuff... forcing companies to go into the business of selling parts, to provide proprietary documentation, etc, if they don't want to... Can someone make a good argument to convince a free-market, libertarian guy like me to support laws such as these?
No arguement here, really. Just wanted to let you know you are not the only one with that mindset. The power is in the collective wallets of the customers, and choose not to give it to the companies that do not listen to them.
5:52 I have never seen a business that hasn't made any bad decisions. Ones with a good/sought after product that sold like crazy? Absolutely! But managed perfectly? Does not exist. Don't let "not always making perfect decisions" bring you down.
All I needed to be an Authorized Service Center for HP was to have HP certifications. I have 42 HP certifications, and it helps bring in business. Lenovo's requirements are ridiculous.
I honestly think Linus is big enough in the tech community to be able to do this and not face much repercussions from bigger companies. If news comes out that someone like ASUS or whatever dumped LMG because of this investment I think a lot of people would boycott the brand and stick with Linus instead. I also think it would leave a bad taste in other tech channel's mouths knowing that there's no loyalty for them. Like, I don't think it would be bankruptcy bad, but more like "eww, alienware" bad.
If i had the money or was in the market for a laptop, i would 100% buy a framework laptop. I'm super excited to see where they're headed. They're gonna ruffle up some feathers with the big bois who will try to run framework to the ground though, so all funding, support, and exposure is super important for them. Hats off to Linus, huge respect.
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I can see the business case for supplying Office Buildings and even some schools with these laptops. In the long run they are easy enough to repair an upgrade should they need to be and beats having to completely replace equipment periodically which will be more costly.
Really all they need to really help in that space would be a dock that attaches via usb c. Along with if companies can keep the chassis and just replace the motherboard / cpu every 3 years. I think it'll become a no brainer to purchase at scale.
They'll need to be a hell of a lot more rugged if they're ever going to be used in schools. Even rugged education-grade netbooks get trashed by irresponsible school kids.
For business yeah, i can totally see that. My old company threw away the laptops every 2 years pretty much. Well really depends on how much upgrades framework will have.
School? *No* They'd be vandalized. They'd be taken apart and gutted within a day.
@@TDCflyer I'd say selling Frameworks to Universities under a laptop loan programme would mitigate that risk.
Linus investment has way more impact for the company and the right to repair movement than the mere monetary value.
He made the point in his video. The company already had another investor in this buy in willing to stake the extra 200k so they were getting the money Linus or no. But Linus is visible, he's noteworthy, and he has connections at companies like AMD and Nvidia that he can leverage for them.
@@JKSSubstandard It was insanely risky for him as well, not the money though he could lose it all but because it directly affects his channel and content as he stated.
@@joer8854 Yes and no, as we've seen with GN and Linus has the same effect, them _not_ having their products reviewed by them is worse than one bad review. And they know this, since several of them have tried to pull BS in the past and that got them a lot more negative attention that a bad product or two.
Linus has also said in past videos that he struggles giving product recommendations on consumer products, because the moment he does, it's sold out and you can't get it anymore.
I am wondering how many of the 5 billion views were from interested parties (ie in favour of RtR) compared to the suits and their employees/ lawyers, who are rightly looking at LTT and RtR and now Frame/Work as something to have sleepless nights over 🙂🙂🙂
Starting a company is very hard. Starting a good sustainable company is on another lever. And it's good Framework got the whole Tech Community behind them!
Its a neverending series of fuckups on your way to the finish line of a successful bankruptcy.
It's very easy to start a "sustainable company" with the right politician bribes outlawing all your competition. Just as long as their kickbacks come in and on time. "Solyndra".
"Starting" a company isn't hard at all. Starting a "sustainable" company without major backing is hard. Starting one that goes against the mold especially one that has proven to not be sustainable is on another level*.
This is why companies make easy-to-break products, to make much more money easier.
@@LiveType not just being a sustainable company is hard but being independent sustainable company without being taken over by other big tech company and got it's product thrown into the depot and left it rot is much harder.
Framework is insane; you can extract the motherboard of the laptop, put it onto cardboard and it could still work. They can do so much with this concept after theyve set themselves up in the market. Imagine an entire diy laptop/peripherals ecosystem
And they're flat out publishing physical specs for it, so that if you want to print a case for it or something, it will be able to function as a mini PC even after you've upgraded to a better motherboard for a laptop. This is everything laptops should have been in the past decade or so, it's amazing that someone is finally doing it.
can anyone suggest a video on their motherboard? Or is it easy to search?
?? You can take any motherboard out, and have it run not in it's case. I agree Framework is awesome, but that's not one of the reasons.
True with many laptops, but yes it's cool lol
They basically want to make the culture around laptops like that of desktops (where you can easily just buy parts and case and put one together)
and I love their vision.
Another thing to think about is how much money Louis has spent in expenses and lost wages through lobbying over the years. All of that adds up to a significant amount you could have invested in yourself and your company, but you invested it in the movement.
You may not directly be able to invest, but I believe most people including those at Framework understand and appreciate that Right to Repair wouldn't have gotten here as fast as it did without your personal investment.
100% agree.
The time and effort Louis spent for Right for Repair is way more valuable than any reasonable donation he could have made instead.
Yea, this needs to be up higher, Louis has sacrificed so much in the past for the good of society with everything he's contributed to R2R. He can't be too mad at himself. That's not even including all the educational content he's created and schematics he has mapped for the public
Also jessy should be credited
@@fitulus definitely. I just thought since this video has Louis talking about how he's not in a position to do that, and the other contributors are less likely to see the comment.
Louis' investment of time and effort, as superb as it is (and as a consumer, I'm as grateful as any other), is not entirely altruistic. Louis made it clear in a video some time ago that he faced being forced out of business if manufacturers (looking at you Crapple) were able to make products unrepairable either by design or non-availability of parts. Louis is investing in his own business - and helping others along the way, which seems to be his thing.
Linus came out and not only said he'd invested, but then told every one how much he put in. He then went on to explain why he did it, why the company needs investment, and why he believes in Framework's business model. And even though he didn't want to, he stopped reviewing other laptops to avoid any appearance of conflict.
And make no mistake, Linus is not being altruistic, and believes he will make his money back, and more, someday. That's part of investing. Framework not only gets Linus' money, they also get his marketing experience, his knowledge of the industry, and his connections to Intel, AMD, Nvidia, etc who will matter when they company wants to expand. Everyone wants Ryzen Framework laptops; knowing who at AMD they need to talk to makes a huge difference.
he hasn't excused himself from laptop reviews just yet. And I personally don't think it will make that much difference, he's always shown that he's happy to say 'fuck you' to the people paying him
I don't think he said hed stop laptop reviews, but I'm pretty sure he was just pointing out that people might wonder if he's impartial still now that he's invested, and that this could hurt his business but he did it anyway because he believes in the company's mission.
@@Jazz914
He said he won't be involved in the editorial sense, meaning he won't really be reviewing laptops himself, but the writing staff will.
Basically what was already happening for the most part.
@@MillerTM Yeah, his staff can do reviewing already done multiple times
Yep, everyone wants to paint it as altruism and it's not heh. All roads lead to capitalism and thus to profit heh
You know you're doing something right when a new company already has all the big tech channels talking about and investing in it
It's sad that has become a thing... When TH-camrs can make things happen. >.>
@@coryv5679 why sad?
qtsssim are you seriously making this comparison right now, Framework is actually shipping their products and aren’t making false promises LMAO
@qtsssim theranos frauded a new invention that outcompetes established analytical chemistry instrumentation; framework is making a laptop. No comparison to make here
@@coryv5679 should we leave that to the large corporations invested in their own products rather than reviewers who need the viewers to trust them for their business to succeed?
"I made multiple stupid personal and business decisions which have seriously hurt my bottom line."
How many people would admit this so bluntly in public, let alone on a TH-cam channel with thousands of subscribers? This no bullshit frankness and honesty, along with your fairness and integrity are why I love you Louis! You may not be a billionaire, but you are a great person.
The second they have one with a dedicated GPU, I'm in
It wouldn't make sense for their first product.
I think the next update is a ryzen cpu. Then maybe next we'll see a dGPU options. So (sadly) not before next year at least IMO
@@InformatrIIcks Ryzen doesn't have a iGPU so they might have a low end discreet card with those anyways.
@@ShepardKammander there are ryzen apu's
@@ShepardKammander don't they have Vega graphics ?
@@ShepardKammander their laptop cpus do and their desktop cpus with a g on the end also do
You know, you are rapidly becoming a lighthouse. You participate in a dark and stormy environment, you are steadfast, you warn of dangers….
And you can be trusted.
Any man that publicly admits to his faults AND explains the lessons learned…
The mistakes you made got you where you are. It’s a pretty impressive place.
"Gargle my balls" is such a wonderfull little line.
I seldom hear someone say it, and when i do it makes me giggle.
@StopaskingformynameTH-cam
upvoted for the username. I get popups on my phone almost every two days asking for my date of birth on one of my other accounts. I know I could just put in a fake date but can't be bothered logging in
Caught me off guard, died laughing.
I hit people with "gargle my greasy gonads" in cs quite often. It's a powerful statement.
Once my laptop dies, I figure Framework is my next purchase. It’ll be little while, but that’s the plan.
Same if they sell in EU by then. I had to buy a new laptop last year because the CPU of the previous one wasn't powerful to do work with it while Zoom was open. So I hope to not have to buy a new one before 5-7 years.
Mine died.. but I don't have the spare capital at the moment to get one.. I planning on getting one as soon as I do..
Thank you for not creating unnecessary e-waste!
If they start shipping in the EU. I will probably buy one of them.
@@progenitor_amborella I try to use my hardware as long as possible. Even my 7 yrs old laptop which isn't powerful enough for work anymore is still used as a media center after changing the original hard drive with a new SSD. (Plus this spares me from having to buy an external DVD reader)
This honest video leaves me with more respect for Louis than ever. Oh yeah, and my next computer is a Framework.
Mine too :P. Although I'm pretty sure my current computer is still gonna be kicking for a while. Its only like 3 years old.
@@nightfox6738 I'm running a used Lenovo T440p that recently gave me a solid two days of randomly deciding that the FN key is now on for the next 5 minutes despite no visual indication. I am so fucking ready for this to ship to europe you can't believe.
@@isofruitfruit9357 sounds like you're ready for a framework now :P. Replacing the keyboard looks super easy!
@@nightfox6738 Funnily enough, the type of issue I had was not keyboard based. I dug my way past a dozen or so threads on stackoverflow and another half dozen buggs, the functionality behind that specific key is bios controlled. I have no idea why my laptop appears to be that crazily off its rocker, and luckily enough it's currently not throwing such a hissy fit, but man am I ready to have something that can watch a youtube video at 720p without heating up to 60°C
@@isofruitfruit9357 Try flashing your bios? Probably not a firmware issue but it could be worth a shot.
Another thing that Linus mentioned: Linus can use his influence for the benefit of the company, like getting AMD in on this project, or getting other companies to partner to develop products with framework, as well as reach out to other media houses to spread the idea of the Framework laptop and right to repair!
Yeah his industry cred and contacts might be worth more to framework than the money tbh
@@batt3ryac1d I think people overestimate his, or anyone's, influence over anything. his contacts are basically marketing people who have no influence on the direction of the company they work for, they're just responsible to make the company look good no matter what it does.
Yeah AMD can easily lend its support to framework, but it stems from their own "DNA" (if you will) as a company, nothing to do with Linus. They would also consider any PR benefits of doing so, regardless of Linus' opinion on the matter.
@@ylcard on WAN Show Friday, Linus said that AMD is at least talking with Framework.
At the very least, the first step of getting other companies involved (and AMD's past support of Open Source would have me believe it'll happen) is happening.
@@ylcard linus did manage to actually get a while bunch of gpus to sell, so he probably doesn't have zero influence.
@@ylcard I think you are underestimating the 14M tech enthusiast niche to whom any tech brand would want to sell to. Also, if a half of the 14M audience decide not to buy from a brand around the world and start building a negative sentiment about the said brand among their peers, friends, family, relatives and workplaces, can you imagine how that could have massive repercussions for that brand both from revenue perspective and intangible brand equity perspective? What if a 7 million tech enthusiasts recommend against using a brand? What happens when other media outlets picks up the negative message from Linus and publish all across the web? What do you think would happen to the share value of that company?
In the internet era, managing and shepherding the community towards a positive sentiment is crucial for a brand to succeed and Shepherds like Linus, is of utmost importance for brands. That’s why when he roasted Intel on his video, Intel turned around and gave him thousands and thousands of $ worth of products and sponsorships. AMD’s sudden success, is purely a result of how much the tech influencers were excited about what they got compared to the Intel product. For most people, Intel offerings are more than good enough and don’t need the extra cores and performance delivered by AMD. People end up switching to AMD only because the tech influencers hype the brand up. So much so that now Intel seems like the underdog!
So yeah, I think you are underestimating the value of a 14 million niche to which Linus is the shepherd. Jesus started a religion with only 12. What do you think Linus can do with 14 million?
I was imagining Elon Musk putting something like 500 million dollars into Framework. Then I remembered that Tesla does not favor right to repair.
Tesla does not even think features should be included with cars. Auto-pilot is a subscription fee....
@@Wistbacka you can also buy autopilot outright too.
@Christopher Grant that's what happens when daddy gets you money through his blood mines
I like Musk, he does some awesome shit, even Tesla is good in the sense of popularizing electric cars, but he won't support right to repair until it conveniences him somehow.
As long as he can charge you a 20k USD battery pack instead of fixing a 50 cent coolant nipple, it's obvious he'll stick with Apple's school of repairability.
Just don't buy a Tesla until this changes.
Musk is an idiot, don't expect anything good from him.
Oddly enough people might call it click bait but I appreciate the title of "I am legally obligated to disclose this" because it's completely transparent and draws a ton of attention to the fact that he has invested and you should keep that in mind when listening to his discuss framework. It also has the benefit of being the truth, it is part of both Canadian and US Law that he disclose that investment.
It also shows me respect as a consumer of his media and I like that.
Also, I had heard that Linus was considering investing (probably from his podcast), and I immediately knew what the video was about. I appreciated the transparency, and will continue to appreciate the transparency.
I'm going to be buying one and marketing the SHIT out of this laptop at my store. Absolutely love what they are doing for the industry, the consumer, and the planet. The balls it must've took for this company to even CONSIDER making this laptop is insane. It's up to us to make sure that they can continue their mission. I'll be more than glad to help them by spreading the word.
Lol, dude wrote this when he was unknown. Now he is nearly the king of PC YT Shorts in under a year
I've chewed through so many laptops I was stoked to hear about this but sadly no discrete graphics options as of yet. Once they can make that happen I will happily give them my money.
Seeing your profile pic I literally thought this was an account pretending to be a bear literally chewing through its laptops
@@menachemspielman145 literally?
As soon as they can manage a discrete GPU in their lineup, it will be my next purchase. I'm saving up now haha
@@captmarko yes I agree 100%
Does have eGPU support though. I prefer to upgrade my GPU down the line, and get some good battery life while not playing games.
It's comforting to know that Louis mentally adds up all the money he's failed to earn over the years too, just like I do.
to be honest it's not a particularly healthy thing to do
@@ShihammeDarc there's worse things one could do tbh
@@pewnice92 you could say that about almost any unhealthy thing lol
@@hapybratt8640 that is very true
It's unhealthy if you are constantly bothered by it, if you only think about your missed opportunities once in a while it'll help you reflect on what to do differently in the future.
The fact that Louis called that one person who’s worth “almost a billion dollars” it going to keep them up at night until they are worth over a billion dollars.
Russ Hanneman after he fell out of the "three comma club"
@@marcellkovacs5452 I hear that guy f-cks
I had the same feeling... Linus sees a lot of tech and if he is willing to invest in something because he thinks it is special then that should mean something. I also hope that with the investments they are able to make one with a discrete GPU, so I can buy one too. :)
Ya, I really would like to help support them, but I'd need something with a dGPU for it to make sense for me to replace my current laptop (that I don't use so much anymore and will use even less when I get my Steam Deck). My wife needs a Macbook for FaceTime and has no interest in going back to Windows unless they have a better FaceTime environment on Windows, and my kids are still too young to need a laptop. Hoping it works out for them, and I'll be looking to see what they have available in 2 years or so.
@@FireMrshlBill maybe just maybe, they could have a cable port on the motherboard to connect an external PCIE slot for a dedicated GPU(I forgot the nam but I think some motherboard has it)
@@Max128ping you can do a thunderbolt dock for an eGPU, but for me I’d want an internal dGPU, especially one that is upgradable. But yes, an external gpu is a viable option for many people.
Even thiugh they dont, is there a sloy on these current models to add one in later? If so, could be worthwhile for productivity and casual browsing the internet.
@@PinkBunnyCorporation you can likely use an external, but you can’t add a card internally. For work and productivity it is fine, but my company issues me one for that. If I was to buy one it would be for personal use and that includes games.
I use a samsung r505 laptop from 2009. Everything is changeable: the drive, the RAM, the CPU (socketed and you can use all the CPUS of the same family since they have the same powerdraw and arent blocked via the bios), the wireless controller, the keyboard can be changed without taking anything apart, and even the screen is really easy to change.
The whole machine can be taken apart with one screwdriver with the same bit, only 2 different sizes of screws are used on the whole machine.
They dont built em like they used to.
@Andtp Fack: they do build them like that. Last year I sold a laptop from Clevo which not only had a socketed user-replaceable CPU, but it had dual MXM slots so that two user upgradeable GPUs could be run in SLI.
It also had upgradable RAM, and upgradeable drives (plural).
Framework seems to be "framing" that they offer unique features, but nothing which I have seen actually reveals that as true.
@@grey5626 you obviously have never looked into framework because they have never claimed anything they are doing is new and unique.
@@grey5626 Framework doesn't have broken english in their website.
I had a similar laptop.
I also repaired and upgraded it as much as I could over the years,
Until I accidentally killed it after 8 years of ownership.
It was a great laptop.
...then I switched to an 8yo used Dell I got from a customer, which I also upgraded and repaired until it started having hardware issues that are beyond my abilities...
I have said I love the concept and I want this to be the future. Linus' investment makes me more confident about that. Will have to buy one in the future
A wild Verlis appeared!
AHHHHHH
I run into you a lot.
That means you're a nerd.
Damn nerd.
Woah, it's the man, the myth, the legend
@@magica3526 Then that makes you the loser lmao
The moment this ships with Trackpoints, I'll buy in a heartbeat
and an LAN Port without Adapter. Thinkpad adé
After 12 years of trackpoint evangelism, I gave it up for this. I was also thinking of replacing my ThinkPad with a computer that has a 24,000 CPU benchmark score so that when I edit videos that are large and render them it sucks less, but this is more important to me.
@@rainerbehrendt9330 You can change the IO. So I suspect there will be a Lan Port Card available
pretty sure its copyrighted
How is that the selling point lol
At a certain point, I wonder if Lenovo's issues are related to the components sourced from other manufacturers? They obviously design their laptops well and give repair manuals, but not down to the components level. Perhaps it's an agreement with their own vendors?
That is a possibility, yes.
I doubt it; their policy for allowing people to get a license to "officially" do their repairs..... that has nothing to do with the other manufacturers.
And frankly, it's usually the other way around. The Laptop companies don't allow the manufacturers to sell the parts or give the schematics..
Well, certainly the only repair I had to do to my Thinkpad has been a failing fan made by Sunon so you might be right
Another of Rossman 's vids is an interview with guy from system 76. That video covered part of the schematics issue- all the mobo manufacturers have some kind of NDA in play. I expect frame.Work is up against similar issues
if framework can push the manifacturer into releasing schematics for repair shops, then Lenovo SURELY has enough leverage to do the same.
Just waiting for the Ryzen version, and I'm totally on board.
Hey Louis. I saw you on national news today. They were talking about right to repair. I've been watching you for over a year, and your hard work for RTR is starting to pay off. I'm proud of you brother! Keep pushing forward.
Just finished watching Linus' video and this popped up on recommendation. I knew you'd have a say on this :)
Thanks for highlighting Linus's effort and investment. Even though you can't invest, your support of Linus's efforts has a considerable weight to it. Linus may run a more successful business and have an incredible subscriber base, don't forget that you've been to congress, and helped bring Right to Repair into the forefront of public conversation. So, what I'm saying Louis is try not to kick yourself too hard. Maybe it's time for another Louis Rossman/LTT team up, a good sit down conversation between the two of you presented in a way that applies to viewers, but also these billionaire types who want to know more and need help making the leap. Could be some good stuff there.
^^ This ... This right here.
"a good sit down conversation between the two of you presented in a way that applies to viewers, but also these billionaire types who want to know more and need help making the leap"
And hopefully doesn't involve Linus being a complete clown via giving himself a wedgie to shill overpriced merch. Or defending overpriced & underperforming products like the RTX 3080 Tie via attacking reviewers who actually did their jobs correctly.
@@mjc0961 lol, he did no such thing, he gives his honest impressions and wasn't even particularly involved in the making of the 3080 Ti review, Anthony does all the testing and LTT simply decided to do the review from the perspective of people whom might actually buy it, which is perfectly reasonable because that's the point of a review. For that reason he still stands behind what was said, maintaining his integrity but has decided because of the backlash and most of his audience not being those people, to continue doing reviews from the average perspective.
@@mjc0961 perhaps I used a combination of words and grammar that are too evolved, which is why Louis and Linus get paid the big bucks (*TH-cam viewer revenue is a joke) to devolve the conversation into fifteen minute chunks designed to be consumed by trolls with the attention span of gnats. Don't quote me unless you know what the topic is about, and you are prepared to put your brain behind what you are trying to say. This is about Right To Repair and not how youtubers make their businesses sustainable.
Hey, I hope you learned something, ... hell, anything really.
Aaannnd post!
@@waylontmccann "perhaps I used a combination of words and grammar that are too evolved" Too bad you're not evolved enough to understand that coming right off the bat with a condescending and holier than thou tone like yours is a great way to lose any potential legitimacy to how you present information in order to teach, advise or convince others, and it makes you just come off as a short sighted asshole who is really easy to write off and ignore.
As soon as they drop an AMD version with an apu, I'm putting my order in. This is fantastic
All I'm worried about is if they'll be able to make profit long term. I really hope this business model is good for them and they're able to compete with the bigger companies.
I'm sure they can profit with selling add-ons and parts
Watch Linus' video. He went in detail on why FW needed a large sum of capital from potential investors, to push large amounts of stock and be competitive, while being profitable.
Linus explains it really well.
Licensing the modular system so other OEMs can create their own platforms could also be a way.
Imagine being the license holder for the ATX standard, but for laptops
I would say that IBM/Lenovo was least worst company since their business laptops were designed for as fast on-site part swap as possible.
key word was. they have bios hardware whitelists, and are soldering a very large portion of the components now, including on their T series laptops. they're not the ibm thinkpads people remember. they're crappy macbook clones with terrible screen and a trackpoint, and the trackpoint is the only reason I still care about them.
@@tassadarforaiur The reason why CPUs are soldered on Thinkpads is because both AMD and Intel gave up on socketed CPUs.
Finding socketed GPU’s was a rarity already
@@tezcanaslan2877 i understand soldered cpu's, but soldered ram on t series notebooks is inexcusable.
Keyword "WAS" like someone else said. Their glory days are over. When it comes time for me to buy a new laptop, there will be only one choice for me: Framework.
@@tassadarforaiur first time i heard something like this,on my ultra-low end ideapad 320 the ram is not soldered on (though you only have one slot)
I appreciate you being honest about the hardships and mistakes you've had to deal with as a business owner, helps put things into perspective.
I’d be more willing to invest in the company than buy the laptop.... because I just bought a Ryzen laptop and really like it.
But also Linus has big balls 👍🏻👍🏻
Edit: holy crap, don’t ever use the word “invest” if you don’t want the bots to swarm...
I worked with the above spam person and I made a gazillion in just 3 days, two of which was weekend. It works!
@@bite-my-shinny-metal-ass damn me too, now I'm a centodozillionaire in just over a month! I can finally afford to buy that half-eaten Cheeto at my local Walmart counter
holy shit, can confirm!
i invested my candy bar with the help of mrs. evelyn harper and now it's a candy store!
@@jerecakes1 ah man, I invested my candy bar and ended up with a tic-tac... I think this isn’t for me.
@@johnpenguin9188 At least you *got* a tic-tac!
I don't expect to need a new laptop for about 5 years, but if Framework is still around at that point and making laptops of similar quality/competitiveness as their current offering, they will be at the top of my list.
Four years left
@@dismissyourself Alexa, set a reminder to maybe buy a Framework in 4 years.
I get the feeling the Framework will become very popular via dev's ability to choose their own device. It's the modern, agile, headless software concept in hardware form. A physical embodiment of the new world of API's, integrations and cross platform experiences.
Louis, regarding right to repair. How do you feel about Open Source Hardware?
I'm asking because the EU has recently released a report about the Economic Impact of Open Source Software and Open Source Hardware.
The report concluded that with a little more investment the EU could lead the OSS and OSH market and gain significant revenue as a result.
OSHW is the same thing, they make board schematics and component specifications available.
I personally think open source hardware is (at least for integrated circuits, so really most things) mostly hype.
The cost of a piece of software is mostly in the development and once you have a "design", manufacturing/compiling it is relatively trivial. Not to mention the difference between a good piece of software and a great piece of software can be huge. So by choosing open source, a lot of money can be saved and a lot of performance can be gained.
Business level aside, which often demands great customer support and is willing to pay loads for it, consumer software support typically isn't a sizable revenue stream. Not to mention the way a lot of software makes money is not by charging upfront but by 'selling' user data or more fairly access to users, so persuading users to buy the next version doesn't make sense.
So compared to open source software, building from scratch oftentimes isn't worth the tradeoff.
Hardware isn't like that. If I'm not mistaken hardware design is relatively (I stress relatively) much simpler. Sure there are black magic things you can do, but in general if you just naïvely create something according to how you think it should work and even route your traces fully automatically using standard algorisms, you will end up with a design not far from industry standard. On the other hand, production is very much non trivial, in fact creating tooling and the assembly process can very much be the bulk of your up front costs.
Again for consumer level, hardware repair costs money, sometimes prohibitive amounts. Hardware also almost always charges money up front, so nudging users to buy the next version makes a lot more sense.
So open source hardware really offers relatively little.
Overall unless something drastic about the manufacturing process changes (maybe once 3d printing pcb becomes more accessible and precise, probably also need much higher density and being able to do multi layer much easier) I don't see open source hardware gaining that much ground. Happy to be wrong ofc.
@@p_serdiuk it's way more than that because of legal stuff and actually using open standards for the most part.
@@randomnobody660 "[for hardware,] production is very much non trivial"
Absolutely, and this is where OSHW is going to get stuck if it isn't forward-thinking enough.
OSHW, when it gets simplified as a rallying point for open-source activism, will end up just meaning that the _design information_ for a piece of hardware is open sourced.
This would still be a significant advance, make no mistake. The first layer of this is basically schematics / board drawings / component lists (the kind of stuff Louis cares about for repair). The next layer is the design _files_ required to _replicate or modify_ the design in some EDA program like e.g. EAGLE or KiCad. The next layer would be the files representing the final design for fabrication.
But _the FABRICATION process itself_ is not yet open. Considered as a body of knowledge, it is (1) very technically complex, (2) uneconomical (but not impossible) to implement at small scale for custom designs, (3) surely full of trade secrets, and (4) definitely a significant source of strategic national advantage.
As a result, fab process details, bleeding-edge chip design technical knowledge, and the EDA tools that make those things possible, will be resistant to "openness".
The idea of OSHW will probably gain traction, and some ground may be gained. But Open Source Hardware _Fabrication?_ That will be much harder.
@@AexisRai Hm, I suppose that's my misunderstanding. My exposure to open source hardware advocates have typically been strong dyi people who actually build what they design, but I definitely see a "softer" part of it as more viable.
I do think only open sourcing the design process with no way to do anything with the design is a tad strange thou. In software lots of companies or individuals can make changes to fix problems they are having or add features they want, then according to license they contribute those changes back. It's probably harder to grow that community if contributors have a hard time getting any use out of what they are building.
Open source software stood on its own (however many) feet, and now it's often just economically superior to use accept the license and use open source software for a lot of companies (even if some do violate those licenses semi-frequently). It feels almost silly advocating for software open sourcing now because it'll get there one day regardless; if anything somebody to enforce licenses is probably more important.
Hardware feels like it hasn't even gotten started, and I do think some way to reap the results of ones contribution is borderline essential to get the ball rolling. Otherwise, hardware can't really go the route software went.
Absolutely love the support Framework is getting!
At 4:52 you mention the engineer talking to people on the forum about designing an accessory for their platform. As the company scales I wonder how easy it would be to continue such practices when they are at the scale of something Dell or Apple. I hope they invest in keeping that communication open even at large scale. That would be important for a right to repair company who supports third party partnerships.
Not as impossible as you would think. Sure, some posts/comments might be overlooked as someone gets bigger, but at the same time they have more resources.
If they dedicate some of those extra resources to it, it wouldn't be too hard.
@@raza2594 If that is the case then why do large companies have notoriously bad customer/ contact service? I think in this case it would be much different because they would need customer interfacing help and collaboration interfacing help. Both of which, to be effective, would need someone quite well versed with the innerworkings of how to communicate in the company, as well as the technology itself.
@@atanjacket Cutting corners. If you outsource your customer service dept to India, you'll save money and increase profit.
@@reinbeers5322 I understand it's usually cutting corners for cost savings. I was saying this as a response to @Rafael Zaglas saying it isn't as impossible as you think. It seems, from many examples of large companies, to be something that is hard to get right.
@@atanjacket Well, it is possible, of course. But those companies probably don't see eye to eye with us about the value in good customer service.
I have never heard Louis so optimistic. He genuinely seems happy. :D
Hmm, I wonder how Framework would interact with System76. One is making good hardware, the other makes good software (well technically both, but I would much prefer the Framework system on the hardware side). I hope they don’t end up stepping on each other and weakening both.
what's nice about this situation is that Linus has a big enough platform and audience willing to drop money based on his recommendations to really give a company like Framework a fighting chance.
I wonder if it would be a good idea to keep a few of these framework laptops in your store as something you can recommend and offer support for if they break
@@randominternetguy3537 not even an agreement to resell, Framework is still doing pre-order batches for their fulfillment, as they can't get enough to fulfill demand. Or/also, it keeps them from overextending on orders from the actual manufacturer, beyond current demand levels.
Perhaps in a year, they'll be able to have these stocked in the US, let alone at resellers, but every laptop they have built currently is already allocated to a specific customer's order.
Mac users live in a MacOS jail in their heads
I can imagine that once Framework gets big enough, Rossman's store/repair stores in general could totally become resellers/vendors of laptops from Framework and other companies that support Right to Repair.
@@Quarky_ Very underrated comment.
@@Chunmeista that would be cool
By the time I’m in the market, hopefully they’ll be on the second gen. Really looking forward to it!!
Seriously waiting for one to get a dedicated GPU. Would be my perfect travel computer if so. Super excited to see how this company grows.
Louis, above all not only I appreciate your honesty and commitment to saying what you feel is right but doing right as well. Linus have our respect.
Framework should consider crowd-sourcing investors in the next round. I would do it. In any case, I am definitely buying a DIY when I have the funds.
It was apparently not needed at all. They had already secured the money Linus invested way before he contacted him, but they decided to go with Linus due to his connections. There are often other benefits of investments than just the money
@@soundninja99 not just his connections, but also his audience. Many people are probably hesitant to buy a laptop from a company they've never heard of before, even if it is repairable. Having someone they trust say that not only is the product good, but they've invested in the company themselves, goes a long way in overcoming that hesitancy.
Theres only so much of the company they can give away, but for sure if this was publicly traded I'd be holding it to the moon or to the dirt.
@@patrickpitz1879 he's thinking of something like kickstarter, where you don't actually give away equity
@@soundninja99 Usually on kickstarter you are given a product and some merch or other incentives when its not equity, so you could just buy the product if you want to support the company. Also the OP used the word "investors" which gives a different impression.
Assuming two things:
A: I have a job (*&¤"% covid)
B: They start shipping to EU (preferable with Swedish keyboard as option)
I'll order one next time I need a new laptop.
you could probably configure it to be a Swedish layout keyboard
why swedish keyboard?
@@deivytrajan Because they're probably Swedish?
@@deivytrajan Because I'm a Swede and living in Sweden being able to use all our 29 letters is kinda a must.
Need to have the correct layout(like the correctly sized carriage return key 😂)
i had no interest in laptops for well over 20 years, but this looks exciting.
Im so happy to see such project being approved and sponsored by guys like you Louis. This would be so amazing for all tech enthusiasts if it will ever come to life. I never looked at right to repair so deeply before your videos and I absolutely love to see it flourish. Keep up the work for the people.
This is extremely exciting
Man this feels like framework are the rebels from star wars, and Dell is the Empire.
Imagine being the PR guys at LTT sponsors seeing that and realizing your sponsor money went directly to a competitor
Really appreciate you @Louis Rossmann for supporting, and sharing Linus's transparency!
I would love to be in a position to invest in Framework. That said, because I'm not, I'll probably just buy a laptop instead
I love the idea of framework. And I'm glad that there are humans like you and Linus out there, who aren't afraid to speak up.
If Framework went public tomorrow, I would invest too.
untill then just keep recommended their products so some day we might see them go public
I am not so sure that going public is a good thing.
@@SIPEROTH not with a sustainable company no
@@endeavor44 idiots would still put bunch of money in it anyway
It will for sure be my next laptop
I hope Framework is successful enough to take a stab at building a phone *with an easily removable/replaceable battery*. I'd buy that in a heartbeat even if it didn't have class-leading performance.
One of Framework's biggest selling points for a lot of would-be anti-RtR folk is that they proved you don't need to sacrifice performance or form-factor to achieve a Right to Repair friendly design. So if they ever went to making smartphones, I'd expect that smartphone to blow everyone away as much as the laptop did with its openness. A Framework phone for me would basically look like a more open Sony Xperia.
Now, the Framework laptop doesn't have a user-replaceable battery in the same way old laptops do. Old laptops allowed you to take the battery out without removing either the back or front covers (and often the keyboard and/or trackpad along with it), but you still couldn't buy the battery on its own, you had to sacrifice a donor laptop for it. While here, the battery is still internal, it's just easier to open the laptop up and you can buy the battery directly from the manufacturer.
I'm glad Linus invested in them. I would love to see Framework create more repair friendly laptops. (Hopefully they will make an industrial laptop for people who work in construction, plumbing, electrical wiring, automotive etc.)
If they had even an older dedicated gpu id buy one right now
13:27 I wouldn't take the approach of you making bad business & life decisions has lead you not being to invest in Framework. I'd say you making right business & life decisions and being the person you are has lead you gathering a very large audience that will hear you talking about the importance of right to repair. And now we hear you supporting Linus' investment which through your own audience will at least directly create demand for Framework laptops, as well as confirming that investing in the company is a step towards the right direction. You and Linus are complementing each other in very different ways, and you both add value to the subject of right to repair.
It was such a big flex for Linus to invest into Framework. Absolutely amazing that he is doing this. It will give them a popularity boost which will increase sales and allow them to grow.
I said it on Linus' video, but I'll say it here too. His videos are not my style. However I give him MASSIVE credit for being open, honest and frank about things, and the fact he was willing to disclose the investment publicly and then state that he won't review laptops because of a perception of bias speaks hugely to his credibility.
I do not know if you watched all the Linus video (viewer retention), but opening and adding meaningful comment does good for the algorithm, so cudos to your contribution
@@dontkillbees I absolutely did. This kind of thing is important to me too and once I saw what it was about I watched it fully. That way it shows engagement in the stats for him. The more people engaged the better
Thanks for highlighting someone doing the right thing! Many youtubers and media in general have a obvious negativity bias and will only make content if they have something or someone to complain about.
I respect you so much, the candid explanation of your situation was appreciated. Sometimes it’s hard to not assume that all youtube content creators aren’t millionaires.
Linus has shown me once again that he is a man that i can respect.
It takes a lot of risk to invest that kind of money regardless of how much you have in the bank in a new company.
But if this works out, we might see consumer friendly laptops and that gives me a lot of hope.
I have been in computing since before the release of the IBM PC. Originally the PC was designed to be able to modify, upgrade, and replace components. That is why there are slots and empty bays. But to get small enough to be portable, PCs became very proprietary and complex. You didn't use to need people like Mr. Rossmann to fix computers. But the advent of small notebooks, smartphones, and tablets created the need for his services. What this video seems to be saying is that notebook computers are going back to being fixable, modifiable, and upgradable PCs.
@drwisdom1: I have also been programming since before the IBM PC existed. I think it is disingenuous to suggest that the IBM PC was *ever* designed to be able to modify, upgrade or replace components.
The Apple ][ perhaps!
The IBM PC was proprietary. It took the efforts of individuals such as Tom Jennings at Phoenix Technologies to reverse engineer and implement an IBM PC compatible BIOS, before IBM PC compatible clones existed. Thanks to Tom Jennings' efforts, the IBM PC was cloned.
However, prior to that, numerous Apple ][ clones also existed, here's an incomplete list documenting approximately 100 variants: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Apple_II_clones
From my vantage, there have already been IBM PC compatible laptops from ODM/OEMs such as Clevo/Kapok (variously branded as Sager, Eurocom, HIDevolution, etc.) which already offer more upgradability than Framework.
For a real libre/free open source laptop with a BOM (Build of Materials) and schematics available to anyone, there was the Novena Kosagi in 2014. Similarly, the PineBook Pro from 2020 is $200 and has schematics on their wiki, available to anyone, not just a "repair shop".
IMHO, Framework, like the erroneous claim that the IBM PC was designed to be open, is not open. It is a canard, being supported by TH-cam personalities who have already received free samples. They are not providing real objective opinions.
@@grey5626 The IBM PC was an open system by accident. Once IBM realized they created a competitive market they couldn't control, they tried to shut it down by introducing the super proprietary PS/2 PC architecture. That foolishness made their PCs into overpriced incompatibles, destroying their sales. Eventually they ditched their PC/notebook business by selling it to Lenovo.
I am a programmer that managed computers and networks at a corporate R&D facility. You can say they weren't open, but I was there and saw they were.
@@grey5626 I think he meant PC in general. IBM and their clones did set the stage for ATX standard which includes PCI standards AND 24 pin power, which is still in use today.
@@AaronShenghao Yes, but the PC market in general was IN SPITE OF IBM, not because of them.
The reason I use a lenovo "Thinkpad" because all of the parts are available on their website for current in-use models and aftermarket replacement parts are available.
I had to replace the keyboard and it took 2 screws and was about $10-20 to replace.
I installed an earlier keyboard in my T430. Had to Dremel some parts off because it didn't quite fit but it actually worked.
I also replaced my CD drive with another hard disk, installed new fans, upgraded the WiFi, upgraded the CPU, upgraded the display, replaced the hinges (it actually had the design problem Louis said Lenovo doesn't have)
Might not be _right to repair_ but damn if that wasn't the most modular Laptop I ever had.
Also supported 4 different types of batteries which is kinda incredible. I always stuck to the oversized pack in the back. No CD rom drive slot battery for me.
@IBUILTTHAT Lamentably, Thinkpads have been implementing PCI "whitelists" of approved peripherals which can be added (e.g. miniPCI cards for WiFi). While in some instances it is possible to modify the BIOS to circumvent that, Thinkpads are truly not as user upgradeable as they could be.
"Networth in the 3-5 figures" Yes, thats me. I'm a hundredaire.
Like Linus eluded to in the video, I'm really waiting for a Ryzen version of this device. For me, buying Intel doesn't make sense right now.
That's my favorite part of Linus putting up money, He's like "I may be just throwing money, but I'm hoping I can help them have sway in the tech industry with my connections to AMD, Intel, stuff like that" He's trying to help put the foot in the door. So excited to see where Framework goes
Louis, you do not need to apologize or feel bad that you do not have the means to invest big in Frameworks. You donate a ton of time and expense traveling to right to repair court proceedings and being a mouth piece for right to repair. Time is the most expensive commodity and you are investing big time with the one asset you have to help the cause. Kudos to you.
Framework said “you wanna fix the biggest problem with laptops?” And everyone said YUH
Linus' investment gives me hope the company will be a success. I know I want a laptop like this. And I know most tech guys would want one. We can do it.
Change the industry for the better.
One of my biggest gripes has been the lack of a concentrated effort to circumvent the need for the concept of r2r by those capable of doing so, rather than expecting existing OEM’s to conform to inevitably contorted legislation we should buy our hardware from manufacturers that respect their customers from the point of sale all the way to EOL support.
Meaning not “don’t buy from Apple” but “let’s build the new Apple”
@@egg5474 Just build your own twitter. Just build your own server backend. Just build your own DDOS mitigation network. Just build your own payment processor. Just build your own DNS. Just build your own internet.
But that would cost money!
Soon as I get out of college and start working I'm 100% buying a Framework laptop. I will likely never have the economy to invest in a company like this but I will have the money to vote with my wallet through buying their products, which is an investment in and of itself though at a much more granular scale.
I urge anyone who's looking to buy a laptop in the next 2-3 years and likes what Framework is doing to consider them, possibly wait for the right hardware options or for them to ship to your country if necessary. I think this company is going to take off quickly, partially because of their amazing press and especially because they entered the market with possibly one of the most attractive ultrabooks out there, even being decent from a price to preformance perspective (remember, ultrabooks tend to be extremely overpriced, but with this one you're actually getting something for that money which is that repairable and modular design)
Thanks Luis for sharing this with your viewers despite the fact probably half of it is subbed to LTT anyway :)
I dunno linus doesn't really have a lot of cross over with NY real estate.
bought two even though I only need one, for parts, and to support the company
Framework is a product that actually makes me want to look into an external GPU solution.
Thinkpads are idiot proof.
At work we used to grab them by the top of the scren and lift them like that to undock them and close them on the go. Never a screen or hinge problem.
I hope this company lasts for long enough that I can support them when I need a new laptop!
Here’s to hoping this is the stone in the riverbed that eventually alters its flow.
If they come out with a flagship, I’m sold.
I'd love the option to have Linux pre-installed on it
I bet Anthony will try to get Linus to bring it up lol
You can choose the option that doesn't include a boot drive and install your own.
To have Linus* pre-installed on it.
@@lordn0ntr0x50 Atm you can only choose either Windows or installing it yourself
Microsoft won't let them.
You and LTT make the best tech content on TH-cam!!
More than just product reviews AND most importantly, you say what needs saying!!
This is a great start i would love to see graphics card options in the future, but i understand you have to start somewhere. good work.
If I was Linus and had the money he has I would invest too. He's someone who genuinely cares and his input in ANY aspect of that company is a huge asset.
Wow Linus is still around? I hadn’t seen his stuff in years. I might go check him out again but before I do, check out our sponsor D-Brand.
Make fun of the shilling, that shilling provided the quarter of a million dollars that is now going to a right to repair friendly company. I don't shill much but I also don't have a quarter million dollars in my back pocket to hand over to a company that is actively changing the world in a positive way.
Making money is a good thing because it allows you to spend it on people, ideas, and concepts that make the world a better place, and when you don't have it, you can't. I can sit here all day saying look, I don't shill this product or that product, but I also don't have the money to put where my mouth is to actually support the companies and people that are creating real, tangible change. And at the end of the day, what is more important? The ability to say that you did not advertise another company's product, or the ability to say I spent a quarter of a million dollars trying to move the world towards being closer in line with my values?
He gets a lot of crap for being a walking ad, but think twice before making fun of him for shilling things. That has produced the wealth that will kickstart positively changing the world. He's doing something good with it. Good on him. Praise be to tunnel , dbrand, audible, ExpressVPN, and whatever the hell else. All for a good cause.
@@rossmanngroup You know the meme of the guy sitting at a park table with "change my mind"? I agree with @michiganjack - but you changed my mind. Great points.
I'm confused. Is it bad for a TH-camr to have a sponsor on a video?
@@rossmanngroup ♥️ Well said Louis, well said! 💪🏼😎
@@rossmanngroup think you're a bit tired my dude. He wasn't insulting it. Just a bit of gag with sponsors. They are commonplace and most are ok with it. They just make memes of it for laughs.
This is huge. Between Linus backing them and You, Louis, continuing the war against thugs an tyrants of products, this is great. (I wish my peddly money could help but im a bit thin)
Thank you Louis!
an for those that do have the money are are just waiting, You know, Nothing right will ever get done if everyone waits for someone else.
"This is what the free market is all about" I completely agree. I'm torn on the whole right-to-repair issue. I _personally_ 100% agree with the concept and wish companies did better. Absolutely, put all the social and economic pressure on them as you can muster. But when it comes to actually legislating this stuff... forcing companies to go into the business of selling parts, to provide proprietary documentation, etc, if they don't want to... Can someone make a good argument to convince a free-market, libertarian guy like me to support laws such as these?
No arguement here, really. Just wanted to let you know you are not the only one with that mindset. The power is in the collective wallets of the customers, and choose not to give it to the companies that do not listen to them.
4:52 This kind of teamwork is awesome! 👍
I almost wish I needed a laptop, so I could buy a Framework. My Lenovo is pretty new. :(
5:52 I have never seen a business that hasn't made any bad decisions. Ones with a good/sought after product that sold like crazy? Absolutely! But managed perfectly? Does not exist. Don't let "not always making perfect decisions" bring you down.
next laptop will be frameworks. that goes to all my cousins and friends. well done everyone.
All I needed to be an Authorized Service Center for HP was to have HP certifications. I have 42 HP certifications, and it helps bring in business. Lenovo's requirements are ridiculous.
Framework, Fairphone, ShiftPhones and Terracube are the only ones who care about R2R.
the difference with framework is that it isn't overpriced AF like the FairPhone
looks like my next laptop is going to be an Framework, they look really good.
YO LOUIS, nice voice. Yo Linus, nice investment.
Noice!
@@FutureChris YO CHRIS, sorry you got scammed on RuneScape
@@Maywek It's ok, I only got scammed like 29 times, no biggie, I learned my lesson, and it will never happen again
I honestly think Linus is big enough in the tech community to be able to do this and not face much repercussions from bigger companies. If news comes out that someone like ASUS or whatever dumped LMG because of this investment I think a lot of people would boycott the brand and stick with Linus instead. I also think it would leave a bad taste in other tech channel's mouths knowing that there's no loyalty for them. Like, I don't think it would be bankruptcy bad, but more like "eww, alienware" bad.
Who here is old enough to remember Victor Kiam?
Remington Razors - you that makes us old!
Shaves as close as a blade, or your money back!
If i had the money or was in the market for a laptop, i would 100% buy a framework laptop. I'm super excited to see where they're headed.
They're gonna ruffle up some feathers with the big bois who will try to run framework to the ground though, so all funding, support, and exposure is super important for them.
Hats off to Linus, huge respect.