(Kobe's famous quote is "I'm one of the greatest ever because i never get bored of the basics") Regarding the initial convo, as soon as I started consistently hitting 12-15hrs/wk, I could definitely start to feel how essential it is to manage fatigue and recovery. To get any more hours into my week above that 15hr theshold, I needed to be very strategic about recovery. Not just getting rest in, but also staying on top of my nutrition so that my body is getting what it needs to get my legs back for the upcoming sessions. I think a lot of people think of fatigue in too short a time-frame - as a matter of taking a rest day here or there. But even though Dylan was very argumentative about this point, it was his TH-cam videos where I first came to appreciate how fatigue builds up in the body over the course of weeks and months, not just days. You obviously need to train hard to have something to recover from, but you won't have the ability to add much frequency and volume if you aren't recovering properly. On a long enough timeline, it seems very easy to wind up perpetually malnourished and fatigued if you aren't taking care of your body when you're off the bike. Without letting your body actually form adaptations, all that extra frequency and volume just becomes junk miles. Unless I'm missing something. Maybe over training has just fried my brain
Really enjoyed this - thanks so much for posting. I find I work well with really simple principles and ‘frequency > volume > intensity has really sunk in 👊
At least for me…. I sleep and eat better when I’m training regularly. When I’m not consistently training I sleep and eat way worse. Hard to say what cause and effect comes first but they are directly linked.
riding harder toward the end of the ride is important for my marginal again. for example, i was able to reduce the duration of my 3 hr ride by 5 min. Then, i rode 5 min longer on my next ride. ty
5 mins in 3 hours isn't riding harder, it's wind, temperature, tire pressure, how many cars passed you, if you miss a few lights that's 5 mins, and how aero you are on the bike. And riding and extra 5 mins does nothing just sleep better and learn what you should eat. A meditation session would help way more than 5 mins in the bike
I listened to all TrainerRoad's Ask a Cycling Coach podcasts up until a year or two ago. It seemed to go downhill as they started to lean more heavily on guest appearances. Don't know what happened with Coach Chad but his departure was a big hit for that podcast too. Matchbox Podcast is a nice replacement :)
I get the impression that the bottom right person is the only one that can string a coherent and concise phrase together. Can you please let her talk more?
@@Kevin-wj4mb I guess it is. I'm sorry. I got a bit frustrate because she seems able to make continuous sentenses without humming and ''you know'' etc... and they kept speaking over her.
your impression is incorrect usually when you speak less is because you have nothing to offer in the way of expertise on the subject matter ie...you listen in order to learn
You shouldn't put training before recovery and nutrition because the whole point of training is improving or being the best version of yourself, if you don't get sleep and eat crap a person cant even recover from doing nothing, eventually the body will break down. Sleeping and nutrition is more fundamental than fundamentals of training. Also no one who trains goes in thinking I'm gonna come out of it a worse person but faster cyclists, if that's the case that person should just do peds and half ass training sessions full of chemical foods on no sleep, it just doesn't work. When you don't sleep enough the world is a living hell, we all can agree on that.
Please keep posting this podcast, too! The people want more, lol!
(Kobe's famous quote is "I'm one of the greatest ever because i never get bored of the basics")
Regarding the initial convo, as soon as I started consistently hitting 12-15hrs/wk, I could definitely start to feel how essential it is to manage fatigue and recovery.
To get any more hours into my week above that 15hr theshold, I needed to be very strategic about recovery.
Not just getting rest in, but also staying on top of my nutrition so that my body is getting what it needs to get my legs back for the upcoming sessions.
I think a lot of people think of fatigue in too short a time-frame - as a matter of taking a rest day here or there.
But even though Dylan was very argumentative about this point, it was his TH-cam videos where I first came to appreciate how fatigue builds up in the body over the course of weeks and months, not just days.
You obviously need to train hard to have something to recover from, but you won't have the ability to add much frequency and volume if you aren't recovering properly.
On a long enough timeline, it seems very easy to wind up perpetually malnourished and fatigued if you aren't taking care of your body when you're off the bike.
Without letting your body actually form adaptations, all that extra frequency and volume just becomes junk miles.
Unless I'm missing something. Maybe over training has just fried my brain
I'm starting to think Dylan hates the word Recovery and us who need it are weak. (and who have kids :D)
Really enjoyed this - thanks so much for posting. I find I work well with really simple principles and ‘frequency > volume > intensity has really sunk in 👊
At least for me…. I sleep and eat better when I’m training regularly. When I’m not consistently training I sleep and eat way worse. Hard to say what cause and effect comes first but they are directly linked.
riding harder toward the end of the ride is important for my marginal again. for example, i was able to reduce the duration of my 3 hr ride by 5 min. Then, i rode 5 min longer on my next ride. ty
5 mins in 3 hours isn't riding harder, it's wind, temperature, tire pressure, how many cars passed you, if you miss a few lights that's 5 mins, and how aero you are on the bike. And riding and extra 5 mins does nothing just sleep better and learn what you should eat. A meditation session would help way more than 5 mins in the bike
I listened to all TrainerRoad's Ask a Cycling Coach podcasts up until a year or two ago. It seemed to go downhill as they started to lean more heavily on guest appearances. Don't know what happened with Coach Chad but his departure was a big hit for that podcast too. Matchbox Podcast is a nice replacement :)
21:50 DJ, please let her TALK!
DJ’s hair speaks volume😂
will you start uploading each matchbox episode on this channel now?
Thinking about it. Good idea?
@@DrewDillmanChannel yes why not?
@@DrewDillmanChannelabsolutely!
@@DrewDillmanChannel I don't care where you put it but I prefer it on TH-cam than Spotify.
I get the impression that the bottom right person is the only one that can string a coherent and concise phrase together. Can you please let her talk more?
That's a bit harsh.
@@Kevin-wj4mb I guess it is. I'm sorry. I got a bit frustrate because she seems able to make continuous sentenses without humming and ''you know'' etc... and they kept speaking over her.
your impression is incorrect
usually when you speak less is because you have nothing to offer in the way of expertise on the subject matter
ie...you listen in order to learn
@@sadverysad1659 no
You shouldn't put training before recovery and nutrition because the whole point of training is improving or being the best version of yourself, if you don't get sleep and eat crap a person cant even recover from doing nothing, eventually the body will break down. Sleeping and nutrition is more fundamental than fundamentals of training. Also no one who trains goes in thinking I'm gonna come out of it a worse person but faster cyclists, if that's the case that person should just do peds and half ass training sessions full of chemical foods on no sleep, it just doesn't work. When you don't sleep enough the world is a living hell, we all can agree on that.
This would be more authentic if all of you coaches were in zone 2 on rollers (Feeding the Algorithym).
Maybe next time. 🤣
is that lightning mcqueen in your background?
Dylan could get some marginal gains with a haircut so he could go down one size on his helmet !
Huge helmets are more aero. See the TdF time trial helmets!
Supplements ... Legal supplements !!😂🤣
Dylan and Drew could place so much higher if they took those illegal supplements that the winners take 💉💉💉
What a mess.