any time brother, i as well just needed an idea of what to expect now i have a better understanding of what i should use i hope this helps the community :)
You got to love how incredibly insecure and insulting people are when they don’t even know the man. Operation mind control is alive and well for the sheepeople of this world !
Jesus, that must have hurt like feck, mate. Ive often thought about doing this kind of testing myself but I'm nowhere near hard enough. You done a man's job, sir. My hat is totally off to you 👍🏻
I rem when I got mine my friend's thought I was crazy and told me it wouldn't be good for home defense, I gave in and bought a real pistol but ima use this first, granted they don't brandish a firearm at me.
@@Kon_man If you spend some weeks perfecting your aim with this thing, and have 5 rubber balls and 1 pepper ball - you WILL fuck someone up for sure. I cant imagine taking one of these to the face.
@@christianhviid2167 None of the projectiles he has on the table are made out of rubber. The black grimburg juls are made out of copper nylon composite very solid and hard, there are companies that make hard rubber balls that look like grimburgs. The red and white balls are made out of hard nylon pcv and have a steel ballbearing inside of them, well the white balls do, not sure if the red balls have steel ballbearings inside, and are both from the company Riotballs, thats were Canada Riotballs buys them from, I think Canada Riotballs went out of business also. You can shoot these projectiles through metal, if the gun has been modified for more power, hard rubber balls are not hard enough to go through metal. Some Less Lethal guns do have enough power to kill someone if need be, I know the rifle I just purchased from Sterling Self Defense will, and yes it is very expensive.
Imagine if this was at closer range and with aluminum balls or something lol. Think it would get this power with the 11 jule version with the valve block removed?
For self defense aim center mass and keep firing. Unless you live in a very cold region most people are wearing tons of layers. You'll pepper them up good enough they'll be teying to get away from you. I keep mine loaded with 3 pepper rounds first in the mag followed by steel rounds. Great video, and hope that wound heals quick.
Airgun Miami Alley recommended your channel. This was the first of your videos that I watched. Your willingness to "take one" is truly remarkable! In this one video, you convinced me that these guns can: 1. inflict pain... thus deterring attacks. 2 deliver energy through layers of material... thinking of the ever popular hoodie 3. It's all about energy delivered (mass x speed) 4. At close range (thinking car jacker) rounds to the face are going to really going to stop an event. Thanks , now off watch more videos..... and yes I subscribed.
You said that a person could get hit with this NL weapon and keep coming at you possibly. Well I am hear to say that the same thing can happen by someone getting shot with a real weapon. So You really have no argument here. I mean there’s no Guarantee in anything being 100% effective.
Realmente, e mostrou que dá para brincar mas para defesa não dar, e melhor que nada, e no susto a curta distância se alguém invadir a casa e o invasor for leigo com a dor talvez ele até recue (se não estiver drogado) mas para defesa mesmo e foda, saída do Brasil e o aeroporto mesmo
Vim por um comentário num vídeo do batata, nos testes em materiais rígidos parece uma maravilha, mas em tecido humano não causa o mesmo estrago. Mas cara, tem que ter coragem pra fazer esses teste kkkkk lembro de quando jogava paintball e levava um tiro de perto em alguma área mais sensível do corpo já era um pouco dolorido, mas isso aí é outro nível. Sobre defesa contra individuos desarmados acredito que se colocar uma munição de pimenta (que é ilegal no Brasil) junto com aa de impacto a chance de incapacitar o alvo deve aumentar.
Acho que a proposta dessa arma não é exatamente para matar a pessoa. Por isso é considerada “não letal”. É óbvio que não dá pra comparar a uma arma de fogo. Porém, eu achei muito bom o poder que ela tem se comparados a outras de co2 que temos. Com certeza ela para um indivíduo com a dor. Esse cara aí estava esperando o tiro com 2 roupas. Imagino o vagabundo que não espera. Se acertar na cabeça ou em parte sensíveis do corpo, na hora da agonia ele não vai distiguir se é de fogo ou não. Ele vai fugir com certeza. E em uma eventual troca de tiros realmente não tem como usar ela mesmo.
@@barbinhafishing Isso mesmo. o pessoal confunde muito as coisas... contra um "noia" que quer invadir a sua casa para roubar alguma coisa que esta dando sopa no quintal essa arma atende bem. agora se vc mora na area rural e vê que sua casa pode ser invadida por pessoal armado para roubar a sua caminhonete pode esquecer. Para quem mora na cidade e nao tem "inimigos declarados" pode ser uma boa, melhor do que nao ter nada. E se por um acaso vc tiver algum problema por ter usado ela em alguma "vitima da sociedade", o fato de ser de baixa letalidade deve facilitar na frente do delega e do juizão.
"Feels like my whole back got kicked by a cow or something" 🤣😅🤣😅🤣 your awesome brother, thanks for taking one for the team, I'm sure many people found this video helpful. Your a legend for this, you dropped this my brother 👑
Me personally, I think the 68, cal would be more effective with face shouts, and rib shouts with at least 35 joules or better. Anything lower than that is risky. It's good you put this video out so the so-called experts can see that 11, 12, 15, 18, 20, 25, 28, 30 joules is not enough especially if you are being attacked by a person on drugs or someone that's strong by nature. If you ask me 65, 70 joules is about the right force to stop an attacker and make him retreat.
ya man 40 to 60 is perfect, keep in mine i had a shit load of clothing on dressed for canada winter, if i had of took those in a tshirt it would have fractured my rib quite easily, i had a sweater and a winter coat and tshirt on so that took a lot of the impact, 70 joules can start to be lethal especially in 50 cal with steel bearings, 63 goes clean through 1 inch of plywood like butter in 50 cal
I have been thinking the same! I think a face shot is more guaranteed to stop an aggressive male. I recently mentioned that in a post, nobody ever mentions a face shot. You are the first. I don't think a human no matter how big and strong, could take a shot to the mouth or eye! I don't think a person high enough to withstand a face shot could even move. A shot right in the old Johnson would really hurt too! But seriously, it is still better than nothing though. I just ordered the Byrna LE model.
@@MultiSkyman1 All I have to say is when your life it at stack, you need a weapon that's going to be effective and get the job done. I just recently (yesterday), let a friend shoot me with a modified version of the Umarex HDR-T4E 50, here in the United States. I admit, I was impressed but at the same time 3 devastater round with 35, joules of power to the body didn't stop with my jacket on, and I was moving towards my friend. It hurt, it pierced the jacket, it left bruises me, and the impact had a little kick but the force wasn't enough to make me quit. But on the other hand It might I think it would work and be more effective with face shouts. Based on my experience 35 joules of power should be the minimum power range, no lower in order to achieve success.
Hi man. Much repect... You have given me ideas to create my own printed carbine. As South-Africa's firearm applications is stuffed up... Im sitting on 74 joules now and happy! Been a long journey but I succeeded. Thanks once again.
@@UmarexLessLethalHomeDefense Hi, there I want that power as you said 50 -60, is on the safe side but I don't like Hpa, is there another way to achieve this example 2x Co2 through Adapter? Lastly which one can be done to +-50 easier between Umarex HDB and Byrna TCR🤔 Thanks
Honestly, if you need something to protect who you love but cant own a real gun, you should look into black powder firearms. You can get a decently concealable black powder revolver and it would be closer to a real gun, would penetrate, and would be more effective. You also dont need any background checks to by black powder firearms. Unless that’s also prohibited where you’re located.
NEVER do this on cloth less, naked skin. I seen officer using 40mm beanbag on a suspect with knife and that created 40mm hole unaliving him from heavy Bledding
4:38 I would guess its because you're not properly priming the air system in the gun. Due to that, the first shot doesn't use as much compressed air, so it gets less energy than it should. The second shot "is always worse" because the first shot primed the system. Just my uneducated guess. To test, you could dry fire the gun first. Then load the ammo and your first shot might act more like a "second shot". on a side rant, im sure everyone has their reasons for considering less lethal. But like you mentioned near the end, odds are when you really need something like this, a silly little co2 gun isn't the best thing to gamble your life on. They probably wont even feel them. Even if you shot them with bullets, they have still been known to not feel it and continue on with 5+ bullets in them (sometimes). The magic behind the bullets is the critical organ failure that is likely to result. Whether they feel them or not, if your shot placement is good, their body will stop working. At the end of the day, something is better than nothing (i guess). I personally wouldn't put myself in a position (or a state) where I cant protect myself (or my family and friends) by any level deemed necessary by the situation.
But here’s the problem…. You’re still standing dude! Lol …effective to piss off an assailant …. Man I’m sorry that wound looks painful and I don’t want to see you with a hole in you but that’s just what’s required for effective home defense
That's a good power level for self defense purposes and about where I keep my FSCs and VKS. Looks plenty painful. You wouldn't want to get hit in a finger or eye or neck or vulnerable spots like that. Could lose a whole finger or break a rib or have penetration at levels not much higher than that, in my layman's opinion. I think the important point is that many scenarios where you might need to use it, the threats tend to wear heavy layers of clothing .. and yeah, might be hard to dissuade for intoxication reasons. There are reasons to use much higher power, I agree.
@umarext4elesslethalhomedef872 Good video of scientific data. But I am concerned about the misfire of the gun. I have a similar type of these and it seems less reliable than a firearm. One of the selling points for me was I was assuming these type of platforms would have more reliability than firearms, but the real world performance seems somewhat lame. I am concerned why the first shot did not fire. The last thing you need in a combat situation is your first shot not to fire and then fiddling with the gun.
Dude your a beast, but could of broke something. One to the stomach will drop anyone or the thigh, knees, shins, balls, head, face or ribs you gotta hit bone, or a leg muscle, they will get an extreme Charlie horse
I have a steel ball launcher connected to a compound bow with 40 lbs draw weight. The steel ball is about 13.5 grams at 15mm diameter. The fps is about 233fps. Total about 34 joules of energy. Is this sufficient for home defense ?
Que locura. Si consideramos que este hombre aparto su chaqueta del cuerpo ,( no la tenía apegada) , esto de alguna forma amortigua algo el golpe...De otra forma el daño sería superior
I appreciate the test and pain you endured for us. But I have to say that I am not conviced that this is enough to actually stop someone who is determined to come at you. I´m very interested in test with increased padding aka Winter clothes. That jacket absorbed some of the impact for sure but I couldn't make out how thick it actually was. I am wondering how the party goes when you wear and unders shirt, T-Shirt, Sweater and a medium winter jacket. Is there anything coming through at 10 meters? I guess I might have to test this myself :D I would feel more comfortable with 60+ joule in my hands.
ya man both shot went through my jacket lol i had t shirt, hoody and jacket and yes it took a lot of the impact but not that much, the first shot grazed me so not bad and the second would suck with just a t shirt on, and yes im around the 50-60 mark myself i believe that will break my ribs no problem even through the thick clothing
ya it was when i first got hit man what a shock affect i was paralyzed for like 5 seconds hahaha but after that there no real pain unless some one touches the spot hard enough, i slept like a baby last 2 nights :) would not want to have taken a follow up shot or more wow!
salut je n'est pas compris la langue mais respect a vous car il faut en avoir une grosse paire merci j'ai pu me rendre conte du niveau de l'arme .bravo
Seeing how he handled it I say it's definitely not viable in a real self defense situation would have better luck with a tipman 98 custom full auto paintball gun with 200 balls loaded in an auto hopper
Ai imagina o ódio do meliante que levar uma dessas, se ele queria só roubar depois de uma ou duas pelotadas dessas ele vai querer arancar a cabeça de quem atirou 😂😂😂, arma de defesa é arma de fogo ou no minimo uma boa 🔪 airsoft é brinquedo
i wanna know wher i can get a tank and tank connection to that umarex.. i got the 50 cal or the 60 cal(Can't remember which one it is). just need to know where to get that tank and the connection.
Being shot in the back one thing what if you're aiming for the face I sure as hell ain't taking more than one of them to the face that thing's punching right through your eyeball cheek meat or your throat
Oh but if she shot you in the face you wouldn't be attacking anything and if that hit your eye you won't be able to see what to attack regardless of everything she would get away 7:55
ya thats why im more comfy with 60 joules, with a ful mag not many can withstand that even 38 with 20 rds would do some damage especially if the guy only had a tshirt on, i had tonnes of clothing on
Well done for taking one for the team kudos 👏 I know one thing...If I lived in the states I'd be packing a minigun to protect my family.These guns are certainly no good for home defense,and should never be used for that purpose. They should only be used for training purposes...police security ect...Once again well done.
Lordy i was looking at the grimburg gavle and now i know id have to hit the guy in the face to stop him i just need to watch more of ur vids and learn to mod these weapons cuz it seems like the 50+ joule out put is what u need to put a person down. I know that hurt but like u said with adrenaline going i dont see that stopping anyone that is willing to break into ur home. Thanks for doing this video even though u did it awhile back
Mad video! Thank you for the data Not to be a stickler Im not sure if anyone caught it as well but Missus had her finger on the trigger for a long time after the second shot
What were you wearing that you took off off camer that sounded very heavy when it hit the ground? You are right for making the point but im just curious because that truly makes all the difference
it was my clothes, my sweater jacket and t shirt and it wasnt heavy it was clothing or my helmet, if you think im hiding something just simply run the test yourself and prove me wrong, i promise you will get the same welt on your back for nothing, it will be much worse with just a t shirt on :)
Oh, I believe it! I already know. It's not even my business and I shouldn't have opened my mouth but watch the video you can hear two things hit the ground in between your shirt and jacket buttons or buckles and all. Hey it doesn't prove anything even if its true. Bad day and today it's screw everyone! 🤬
5:05 yeah but you've got to remember that you're just... standing there and taking it. it's not like you're getting yourself pumped up to do what you had to to survive. i remember robbing people when i was homeless and addicted and i usually did just a little bit of ice with my doc before i used to hit licks because i could absolutely crash out and not feel any of it, nor would i be scared to do any of it- i was ready for it. but then again i also was in a serious dark time in my life and borderline wished someone would just shoot me while i robbed them- but it never happened and thankfully... i never got arrested for anything before I realized the drugs were killing me and my loved ones were dying watching me become what i became.
ya this was my girls jacket mine is an arctic jacket 3x as thick, i used this again just to keep the padding the same, how ever getting hit in just a t-shirt would be worse, if i had to id go for the face if the body didnt work at 40 js now i gotta buy Steph a new jacket lol
@@UmarexLessLethalHomeDefense Lol it didn't look as if the jacket got messed up. Then again, 40 joules to the face must be pretty discouraging for anyone, even if only hit once. A few seconds of lost bearings and extreme pain guaranteed.
@@MihaiLeonardoNiculescu ya you can see in the video a white hole in the back, both went through the first layer, i posted pics in the groups, but i think a face shot would do dome serious damage, broken teeth, fractured jaw or orbital bone and maby cheek bone, or even an eye, as well as throat, so a lot of damage can be done
@@truth.tactical5580 yes if some one comes in im not hitting them with rubber or any thing soft, its my familys lives depend on it so if i have to do a lil time to save them then i will im not trying to tickle the intruder i want to hurt him but not lethally if you know what i mean, i wont feel for a man who come in my home with bad intensions
5:05 you've got to remember that you're just... standing there and taking it. it's not like you're getting yourself pumped up to do what you had to to survive. i remember robbing people when i was homeless and addicted and i usually did just a little bit of ice with my doc before i used to hit licks because i could absolutely crash out and not feel any of it, nor would i be scared to do any of it- i was ready for it. but then again i also was in a serious dark time in my life and borderline wished someone would just shoot me while i robbed them- but it never happened and thankfully... i never got arrested for anything before I realized the drugs were killing me and my loved ones were dying watching me become what i became. .
The legal limit for a bullet fired at point blank range to pierce flesh and muscles "not bones" and tap into an internal organ is 80 Joules. The Less then Lethal bullets come out with an energy of 160 Joules...We are quickly slowed down by the turbulence created by the projectile, in any case never fired closer than three meters away.
The only airgun I've yet seen that I'd even begin to consider risking my own safety to, and never my family if I could help it ideally, but the EDgun Leshiy 2 is a beast. But hey, it better be for the ridiculous price tag that you could buy several ARs/AKs, shotguns and pistols with. But for that hefty price you get something that I wouldn't stand in front of for any amount of money. Saw that thing lobotomize a ballistics dummy at 20 yards. 😂
Wife "sorry hon" Him "nah that okay baby, OHHH! for science" 🤣 what a badass.
That's a man right here! No gay-ass shit. Respect from Europe brother!
thanks man
Jesus dude, the dictionary definition of dedication right there. Can you imagine taking one or two of those to the nads...
thanks man ya that would be game over lol
Or face?!
Go watch houston jones they do this type of stuff all the time and its actually funny and not boring like this
@@Redblood_669 There's no need to be so rude!
@@ianmcklatchie4390 Everyone rude to me so I don’t really care
You are the Evil Knievel of Less Lethal. Thanks for all you do to help us understand Joules of energy on the human body.
any time brother, i as well just needed an idea of what to expect now i have a better understanding of what i should use i hope this helps the community :)
@@UmarexLessLethalHomeDefense Those joules left a jewel on your back.
kids don't use drugs!
I’m willing to bet the guy in the video is smarter than you
I'd also bet this gentleman is prohibited from owning an actual firearm for one reason or another.
@@JAdams-yb7we I would not take you up on that bet 😂
You got to love how incredibly insecure and insulting people are when they don’t even know the man. Operation mind control is alive and well for the sheepeople of this world !
@@hairyberry4858 Yes I agree , he seems very intelligent and this experiment makes him even smarter! 🤣
Jesus, that must have hurt like feck, mate. Ive often thought about doing this kind of testing myself but I'm nowhere near hard enough. You done a man's job, sir. My hat is totally off to you 👍🏻
awesome thanks man i appreciate it :)
I rem when I got mine my friend's thought I was crazy and told me it wouldn't be good for home defense, I gave in and bought a real pistol but ima use this first, granted they don't brandish a firearm at me.
@@Kon_man If you spend some weeks perfecting your aim with this thing, and have 5 rubber balls and 1 pepper ball - you WILL fuck someone up for sure. I cant imagine taking one of these to the face.
@@christianhviid2167 None of the projectiles he has on the table are made out of rubber. The black grimburg juls are made out of copper nylon composite very solid and hard, there are companies that make hard rubber balls that look like grimburgs. The red and white balls are made out of hard nylon pcv and have a steel ballbearing inside of them, well the white balls do, not sure if the red balls have steel ballbearings inside, and are both from the company Riotballs, thats were Canada Riotballs buys them from, I think Canada Riotballs went out of business also. You can shoot these projectiles through metal, if the gun has been modified for more power, hard rubber balls are not hard enough to go through metal. Some Less Lethal guns do have enough power to kill someone if need be, I know the rifle I just purchased from Sterling Self Defense will, and yes it is very expensive.
@@99prochargedbird85 Sounds awesome man.
Imagine if this was at closer range and with aluminum balls or something lol. Think it would get this power with the 11 jule version with the valve block removed?
38 joules?! Wow. Ok well I guess I need to be higher than that. This video definitely proves a point.
Whent through I saw it
Ну, если бы там был не резиновый шарик большого диаметра, что-то металлическое диаметром 4,5 - 7,62мм, то синяком бы он не отделался.
Get the megalodon
A firearm cal 22 has 65 joules, consider this . Anyway the projectile he used are not the top, especially now days
For self defense aim center mass and keep firing. Unless you live in a very cold region most people are wearing tons of layers. You'll pepper them up good enough they'll be teying to get away from you. I keep mine loaded with 3 pepper rounds first in the mag followed by steel rounds. Great video, and hope that wound heals quick.
thanks man, yes this was quite painful, i cant imagine taking a full mag ouch
Airgun Miami Alley recommended your channel. This was the first of your videos that I watched. Your willingness to "take one" is truly remarkable! In this one video, you convinced me that these guns can: 1. inflict pain... thus deterring attacks. 2 deliver energy through layers of material... thinking of the ever popular hoodie 3. It's all about energy delivered (mass x speed) 4. At close range (thinking car jacker) rounds to the face are going to really going to stop an event. Thanks , now off watch more videos..... and yes I subscribed.
thats great man thank you so much, and airgun alley is awesome merry christmas :)
U shouldn't shoot anyone in the face. Cmon now
Wow, very kind of you to show us the results. thanks and sorry for the pain.. hope you and the family are doing well Brother
thanks man :)
You said that a person could get hit with this NL weapon and keep coming at you possibly. Well I am hear to say that the same thing can happen by someone getting shot with a real weapon. So You really have no argument here. I mean there’s no Guarantee in anything being 100% effective.
I've tried this one, never dared to test it on myself though. Treat your girlfriend/wife well, she seems supportive and sweet. Respect.
😂😂😂 aí sim , esse cara tem coragem, até que enfim eu vi um teste prático de defesa dessa arma
Realmente, e mostrou que dá para brincar mas para defesa não dar, e melhor que nada, e no susto a curta distância se alguém invadir a casa e o invasor for leigo com a dor talvez ele até recue (se não estiver drogado) mas para defesa mesmo e foda, saída do Brasil e o aeroporto mesmo
Vim por um comentário num vídeo do batata, nos testes em materiais rígidos parece uma maravilha, mas em tecido humano não causa o mesmo estrago. Mas cara, tem que ter coragem pra fazer esses teste kkkkk lembro de quando jogava paintball e levava um tiro de perto em alguma área mais sensível do corpo já era um pouco dolorido, mas isso aí é outro nível.
Sobre defesa contra individuos desarmados acredito que se colocar uma munição de pimenta (que é ilegal no Brasil) junto com aa de impacto a chance de incapacitar o alvo deve aumentar.
Acho que a proposta dessa arma não é exatamente para matar a pessoa. Por isso é considerada “não letal”. É óbvio que não dá pra comparar a uma arma de fogo. Porém, eu achei muito bom o poder que ela tem se comparados a outras de co2 que temos. Com certeza ela para um indivíduo com a dor. Esse cara aí estava esperando o tiro com 2 roupas. Imagino o vagabundo que não espera. Se acertar na cabeça ou em parte sensíveis do corpo, na hora da agonia ele não vai distiguir se é de fogo ou não. Ele vai fugir com certeza. E em uma eventual troca de tiros realmente não tem como usar ela mesmo.
@@barbinhafishing Isso mesmo. o pessoal confunde muito as coisas... contra um "noia" que quer invadir a sua casa para roubar alguma coisa que esta dando sopa no quintal essa arma atende bem. agora se vc mora na area rural e vê que sua casa pode ser invadida por pessoal armado para roubar a sua caminhonete pode esquecer. Para quem mora na cidade e nao tem "inimigos declarados" pode ser uma boa, melhor do que nao ter nada. E se por um acaso vc tiver algum problema por ter usado ela em alguma "vitima da sociedade", o fato de ser de baixa letalidade deve facilitar na frente do delega e do juizão.
you've got big Bollocks for enduring this shot gun !!!! Bravo!! from France!!!
thanks man :)
"Feels like my whole back got kicked by a cow or something" 🤣😅🤣😅🤣 your awesome brother, thanks for taking one for the team, I'm sure many people found this video helpful. Your a legend for this, you dropped this my brother 👑
thanks man hahaha :)
pour one for our dude who sacrificed 3 ribs for our information
Much respect. You took one for us to show what it did. We were curious and you gave us an answer.
The weed on the scale is sending me Broo 😂
hahaha
Какая нафиг самооборона??? Посмотрите полицейское видео, многих преступников не останавливают даже множественные попадания из боевых пистолетов.
İt is incredible love really 😂😂😂 that ok baby mean: kill me no proplem baby
How did you not drop. You acted like somone getting shot with a mere airsoft gun
Big respect for trying this and taking one for the team 👍 you are the MVP 😀
thanks man :)
This looks too much like a real gun, could get you shot by a real gun
its better then getting shot, with no gun :) @@briancummings9122
@@UmarexLessLethalHomeDefense I agree so I am going to continue to carry my gun. I think I might MAYBE the yellow one
Me personally, I think the 68, cal would be more effective with face shouts, and rib shouts with at least 35 joules or better. Anything lower than that is risky. It's good you put this video out so the so-called experts can see that 11, 12, 15, 18, 20, 25, 28, 30 joules is not enough especially if you are being attacked by a person on drugs or someone that's strong by nature. If you ask me 65, 70 joules is about the right force to stop an attacker and make him retreat.
ya man 40 to 60 is perfect, keep in mine i had a shit load of clothing on dressed for canada winter, if i had of took those in a tshirt it would have fractured my rib quite easily, i had a sweater and a winter coat and tshirt on so that took a lot of the impact, 70 joules can start to be lethal especially in 50 cal with steel bearings, 63 goes clean through 1 inch of plywood like butter in 50 cal
@@UmarexLessLethalHomeDefense Yes, you start to get closer to lethal power and I guess more trouble maybe.
I have been thinking the same! I think a face shot is more guaranteed to stop an aggressive male. I recently mentioned that in a post, nobody ever mentions a face shot. You are the first. I don't think a human no matter how big and strong, could take a shot to the mouth or eye! I don't think a person high enough to withstand a face shot could even move. A shot right in the old Johnson would really hurt too! But seriously, it is still better than nothing though. I just ordered the Byrna LE model.
@@MultiSkyman1 I agree it is better than being empty handed especially for those who are not allowed access to guns
@@MultiSkyman1 All I have to say is when your life it at stack, you need a weapon that's going to be effective and get the job done. I just recently (yesterday), let a friend shoot me with a modified version of the Umarex HDR-T4E 50, here in the United States. I admit, I was impressed but at the same time 3 devastater round with 35, joules of power to the body didn't stop with my jacket on, and I was moving towards my friend. It hurt, it pierced the jacket, it left bruises me, and the impact had a little kick but the force wasn't enough to make me quit. But on the other hand It might I think it would work and be more effective with face shouts. Based on my experience 35 joules of power should be the minimum power range, no lower in order to achieve success.
Thank you for running this experiment for our knowledge! Hats off to you, sir.
My pleasure
Love it when the wife goes happily "let's do that few times again, baby".
Hi man. Much repect... You have given me ideas to create my own printed carbine. As South-Africa's firearm applications is stuffed up... Im sitting on 74 joules now and happy! Been a long journey but I succeeded.
Thanks once again.
sweet man ya i have my hdr68 at 75 joules as well with hpa and barrel upgrade with no block in the valve
@@UmarexLessLethalHomeDefense how much hpa ?
thanxx
Your carbine is awesome!
@@UmarexLessLethalHomeDefense Hi, there I want that power as you said 50 -60, is on the safe side but I don't like Hpa, is there another way to achieve this example 2x Co2 through Adapter?
Lastly which one can be done to +-50 easier between Umarex HDB and Byrna TCR🤔 Thanks
Wow bro I would like too picking your brain for a while I'm on the same page
Honestly, if you need something to protect who you love but cant own a real gun, you should look into black powder firearms. You can get a decently concealable black powder revolver and it would be closer to a real gun, would penetrate, and would be more effective. You also dont need any background checks to by black powder firearms. Unless that’s also prohibited where you’re located.
yes we cant use them here for defense
Think ill stick with my 9MM ,,,lol
Thank you for your service
Our pleasure!
Bruh ..give this dude a like if anything he got brass balls for this demonstration of what u don't want on your nightstand
His body looks very young, so sexy.
Kids don’t play with guns !
That’s one tuff MF right there 💪
Yah we get it. U don't need to do 1100 psi
You're right. The more PSI the more powerful the shot will be.
Thank you we needed to see this.
NEVER do this on cloth less, naked skin.
I seen officer using 40mm beanbag on a suspect with knife and that created 40mm hole unaliving him from heavy Bledding
4:38
I would guess its because you're not properly priming the air system in the gun. Due to that, the first shot doesn't use as much compressed air, so it gets less energy than it should. The second shot "is always worse" because the first shot primed the system. Just my uneducated guess. To test, you could dry fire the gun first. Then load the ammo and your first shot might act more like a "second shot".
on a side rant, im sure everyone has their reasons for considering less lethal. But like you mentioned near the end, odds are when you really need something like this, a silly little co2 gun isn't the best thing to gamble your life on.
They probably wont even feel them. Even if you shot them with bullets, they have still been known to not feel it and continue on with 5+ bullets in them (sometimes). The magic behind the bullets is the critical organ failure that is likely to result. Whether they feel them or not, if your shot placement is good, their body will stop working.
At the end of the day, something is better than nothing (i guess). I personally wouldn't put myself in a position (or a state) where I cant protect myself (or my family and friends) by any level deemed necessary by the situation.
But here’s the problem…. You’re still standing dude! Lol …effective to piss off an assailant …. Man I’m sorry that wound looks painful and I don’t want to see you with a hole in you but that’s just what’s required for effective home defense
Not the weed scale for weighing the ammo!!! 🤣🤣
hahaha :)
If he's standing, it's because he's no good... Although it must hurt like hell, but he apparently came out of the situation normally.
That's a good power level for self defense purposes and about where I keep my FSCs and VKS. Looks plenty painful. You wouldn't want to get hit in a finger or eye or neck or vulnerable spots like that. Could lose a whole finger or break a rib or have penetration at levels not much higher than that, in my layman's opinion. I think the important point is that many scenarios where you might need to use it, the threats tend to wear heavy layers of clothing .. and yeah, might be hard to dissuade for intoxication reasons. There are reasons to use much higher power, I agree.
@umarext4elesslethalhomedef872 Good video of scientific data. But I am concerned about the misfire of the gun. I have a similar type of these and it seems less reliable than a firearm. One of the selling points for me was I was assuming these type of platforms would have more reliability than firearms, but the real world performance seems somewhat lame. I am concerned why the first shot did not fire. The last thing you need in a combat situation is your first shot not to fire and then fiddling with the gun.
True
Dude your a beast, but could of broke something. One to the stomach will drop anyone or the thigh, knees, shins, balls, head, face or ribs you gotta hit bone, or a leg muscle, they will get an extreme Charlie horse
Jeff, STOP doing these, because I'm aiming my bore-sighted markers at the perp's head.
hahaha :)
Be careful, she was aiming at your kidney for a couple of tense seconds. That would have been a guaranteed trip to the emergency room.
Could you rig up a pcp tank with reg on that thing? 2-2500k reg on that thing would be ridiculous lol. Might blow up in your face though..
Will you do the same demonstration with the z rams to help make my decision on whether it's home defense worthy.
hahaha :)
I have a steel ball launcher connected to a compound bow with 40 lbs draw weight. The steel ball is about 13.5 grams at 15mm diameter. The fps is about 233fps. Total about 34 joules of energy. Is this sufficient for home defense ?
This guy I'd insane. I believe most people would drop especially if shot multiple times to the front
Que locura.
Si consideramos que este hombre aparto su chaqueta del cuerpo ,( no la tenía apegada) , esto de alguna forma amortigua algo el golpe...De otra forma el daño sería superior
That would work if it hit hard 1st go , nice job. Very informative sorry about that 👍
Looks like someone on them bars, lol.. That would be the only way!! 🚫🧢🤣🤣
Imagine she decided to hit you 3 mor times in the same area you might be bleeding internally and at a closer range might be lethal
I appreciate the test and pain you endured for us. But I have to say that I am not conviced that this is enough to actually stop someone who is determined to come at you. I´m very interested in test with increased padding aka Winter clothes. That jacket absorbed some of the impact for sure but I couldn't make out how thick it actually was.
I am wondering how the party goes when you wear and unders shirt, T-Shirt, Sweater and a medium winter jacket. Is there anything coming through at 10 meters?
I guess I might have to test this myself :D
I would feel more comfortable with 60+ joule in my hands.
ya man both shot went through my jacket lol i had t shirt, hoody and jacket and yes it took a lot of the impact but not that much, the first shot grazed me so not bad and the second would suck with just a t shirt on, and yes im around the 50-60 mark myself i believe that will break my ribs no problem even through the thick clothing
Yeah that's not gonna stop some maniac all hopped up on goof balls, sorry...
Looks painful. Hope it done hurt to bad. Hope you heal up fast. Take care my friend. Greetings from Norway 🙂
ya it was when i first got hit man what a shock affect i was paralyzed for like 5 seconds hahaha but after that there no real pain unless some one touches the spot hard enough, i slept like a baby last 2 nights :) would not want to have taken a follow up shot or more wow!
@@UmarexLessLethalHomeDefense Glad you are not in pain now. But it looked very painful. Take care my friend 🙂
Bruised kidney be careful of it veres to middle your spinal cord be careful
2nd ine was a kidney shot
For The Science !!!!!!!
AKA I have big balls...
salut je n'est pas compris la langue mais respect a vous car il faut en avoir une grosse paire
merci j'ai pu me rendre conte du niveau de l'arme .bravo
thank you :)
Yeah it's not good for defence no way you need a real 357 magnum
thats over twice the power for a non fac air rifle in the uk which is 12 ft pounds
Seeing how he handled it I say it's definitely not viable in a real self defense situation would have better luck with a tipman 98 custom full auto paintball gun with 200 balls loaded in an auto hopper
ya but not at no 12 joules lol
Nobody could take that to the face and still come at you.
isso sim é teste
Ai imagina o ódio do meliante que levar uma dessas, se ele queria só roubar depois de uma ou duas pelotadas dessas ele vai querer arancar a cabeça de quem atirou 😂😂😂, arma de defesa é arma de fogo ou no minimo uma boa 🔪 airsoft é brinquedo
Just looks like a sure way to turn an attacker into a murderer
i wanna know wher i can get a tank and tank connection to that umarex.. i got the 50 cal or the 60 cal(Can't remember which one it is). just need to know where to get that tank and the connection.
home defense 24 or critical situations has them all
Being shot in the back one thing what if you're aiming for the face I sure as hell ain't taking more than one of them to the face that thing's punching right through your eyeball cheek meat or your throat
yes its a different story if you land face shots :)
Oh but if she shot you in the face you wouldn't be attacking anything and if that hit your eye you won't be able to see what to attack regardless of everything she would get away 7:55
if that hit you in the face your going to the emergency room fast lol
This isnt gonna stop me from comming at you.
i just dont get it, it will have 0 effect on the type of person you would NEED to use this against, unless you hit them in they eye or throat
ya thats why im more comfy with 60 joules, with a ful mag not many can withstand that even 38 with 20 rds would do some damage especially if the guy only had a tshirt on, i had tonnes of clothing on
shows that you need a real firearm for self defense.
yeah i know that shit hurts like hell omg bro
Neck and face shots are a different story, anyway this video is proof of the limitations.
i agree :)
Well done for taking one for the team kudos 👏 I know one thing...If I lived in the states I'd be packing a minigun to protect my family.These guns are certainly no good for home defense,and should never be used for that purpose. They should only be used for training purposes...police security ect...Once again well done.
thanks man :)
You're a human load cell / strain gauge !
Lordy i was looking at the grimburg gavle and now i know id have to hit the guy in the face to stop him i just need to watch more of ur vids and learn to mod these weapons cuz it seems like the 50+ joule out put is what u need to put a person down. I know that hurt but like u said with adrenaline going i dont see that stopping anyone that is willing to break into ur home. Thanks for doing this video even though u did it awhile back
yes man 40-60 joules is the sweet spot 45 for 50 cal and 60 for 68 cal, them 50s penetrate more easily then the 68 cals
you're a fucking beast dude
"always double tap"....that 2nd one looked like it had alot more force then the first one.
yes the first was only a grazer lol
9:23 One question to the not great camera lady you ever heard of focusing 9:23 are close up I know you heard of that
shes not a camera lady shes just holding my phone lol
Mad video! Thank you for the data
Not to be a stickler
Im not sure if anyone caught it as well but Missus had her finger on the trigger for a long time after the second shot
Bro is made of steel he took those shots like nothing
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Don’t really understand the less lethal thing. In delft defense I’d rather not take a chance to save a criminal
ya some of us cant use lethal force or i would certainly go lethal
What were you wearing that you took off off camer that sounded very heavy when it hit the ground? You are right for making the point but im just curious because that truly makes all the difference
it was my clothes, my sweater jacket and t shirt and it wasnt heavy it was clothing or my helmet, if you think im hiding something just simply run the test yourself and prove me wrong, i promise you will get the same welt on your back for nothing, it will be much worse with just a t shirt on :)
Oh, I believe it! I already know. It's not even my business and I shouldn't have opened my mouth but watch the video you can hear two things hit the ground in between your shirt and jacket buttons or buckles and all. Hey it doesn't prove anything even if its true. Bad day and today it's screw everyone! 🤬
I hope you sleep on your belly. That is going to take at least a month to fully heal. Holy Shit!
yes i actually do lol
5:05 yeah but you've got to remember that you're just... standing there and taking it.
it's not like you're getting yourself pumped up to do what you had to to survive.
i remember robbing people when i was homeless and addicted and i usually did just a little bit of ice with my doc before i used to hit licks because i could absolutely crash out and not feel any of it, nor would i be scared to do any of it- i was ready for it.
but then again i also was in a serious dark time in my life and borderline wished someone would just shoot me while i robbed them- but it never happened and thankfully... i never got arrested for anything before I realized the drugs were killing me and my loved ones were dying watching me become what i became.
So the winter jacket is your go-to shock absorber. Gotta train our aiming to hit the head in a defensive situation.
ya this was my girls jacket mine is an arctic jacket 3x as thick, i used this again just to keep the padding the same, how ever getting hit in just a t-shirt would be worse, if i had to id go for the face if the body didnt work at 40 js now i gotta buy Steph a new jacket lol
@@UmarexLessLethalHomeDefense Lol it didn't look as if the jacket got messed up. Then again, 40 joules to the face must be pretty discouraging for anyone, even if only hit once. A few seconds of lost bearings and extreme pain guaranteed.
@@MihaiLeonardoNiculescu ya you can see in the video a white hole in the back, both went through the first layer, i posted pics in the groups, but i think a face shot would do dome serious damage, broken teeth, fractured jaw or orbital bone and maby cheek bone, or even an eye, as well as throat, so a lot of damage can be done
@@truth.tactical5580 yes if some one comes in im not hitting them with rubber or any thing soft, its my familys lives depend on it so if i have to do a lil time to save them then i will im not trying to tickle the intruder i want to hurt him but not lethally if you know what i mean, i wont feel for a man who come in my home with bad intensions
Boy if one cant get a firearm for whatever reason , be next best thing i reckon ???
yes you can power umarex guns up to around 150 joules and after 75 joules become lethal, it will penetrate 2 inches of plywood no probs
Tough
5:05 you've got to remember that you're just... standing there and taking it.
it's not like you're getting yourself pumped up to do what you had to to survive.
i remember robbing people when i was homeless and addicted and i usually did just a little bit of ice with my doc before i used to hit licks because i could absolutely crash out and not feel any of it, nor would i be scared to do any of it- i was ready for it.
but then again i also was in a serious dark time in my life and borderline wished someone would just shoot me while i robbed them- but it never happened and thankfully... i never got arrested for anything before I realized the drugs were killing me and my loved ones were dying watching me become what i became. .
Damn dude that was brutal!
I’ll stick with a real pistol.
in the face............that will suck
the tank on the gun looks,,,, ackward get a remote line on that thing :-)
an air tank not attached to the gun is even worse man, dont have time to grab all that and set it up if my door gets kicked in lol
Estas loco hombre, te pudo dañar un organo interno, y como estas actualmente? Espero que bien
yes im fine it was a hematoma on my back and it was not painful after the video, i can sleep on it no pain :)
The legal limit for a bullet fired at point blank range to pierce flesh and muscles "not bones" and tap into an internal organ is 80 Joules.
The Less then Lethal bullets come out with an energy of 160 Joules...We are quickly slowed down by the turbulence created by the projectile, in any case never fired closer than three meters away.
1st shot was 100% placement. I feel like it went inbetween the arm pit😂
yes it just grazed me under the pit, that second one omg lol
The only airgun I've yet seen that I'd even begin to consider risking my own safety to, and never my family if I could help it ideally, but the EDgun Leshiy 2 is a beast. But hey, it better be for the ridiculous price tag that you could buy several ARs/AKs, shotguns and pistols with. But for that hefty price you get something that I wouldn't stand in front of for any amount of money. Saw that thing lobotomize a ballistics dummy at 20 yards. 😂
Take on for the Team.....now i know what it means