China - World's Largest Hole in the Ground - Steam at Jalainur 2003
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- Here we have plenty of SY action from Jalainur, reputedly the world's largest opencast coal mine, the figures quoted being 4 miles long, 1 mile wide and a quarter mile deep. The mine is close by the Russian border, being just south of Manzhouli, the main crossing point between the two countries. We see a wide variety of SYs, including SY0056 built in 1968 and SY1416 built in 1985 with smoke deflectors. This latter SY is seen operating the one coach passenger service for the mine workers. Steam operation in the mine has now finished. Filmed in March 2003.
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Robin ... Thank you so much for your kind comments. It certainly was a pretty full day or two at Jalainur. I got plenty of exercise walking around the mine!
I very much enjoyed watching this video, so interesting and great to see these wonderful work horses still running, although they do sound a bit rough at times. Thank you for posting it. Just amazing.
Truly Beautiful! Thank you for putting this up, Wow!
My pleasure. Thank you for your kind comment. Andy
So glad these big mamas are still working somewhere in the world. Great video. Thanks for posting this.
Well David, this was 15 years ago and no longer there. However, there's one last remnant still hanging on in China at Sandaoling. Please take a look at - th-cam.com/play/PLNKEdhmODMJxI2j-Vg4jtbeZqw2GfatEM.html
GREAT video!! Loved every minute of it. Nice watching steam.
Thank you for your kind comment ..... Andy
Another great video by Andy & Dandan. Too bad steam no longer operates in the mines. What better locomotive to use than coal fired steam locomotives in a coal mine? All the fuel you need right at your finger tips!
your work around this vast operation is exceptional. you must have tramped miles to get your locations and suffered some terrible weather for some of your shots. Your shots also crisp and well famed.. admirable work.. congrats....
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Thanks for documenting what is now part of history. Perhaps steam was more economical for China back then because of a lack of oil.
It wasn't so much a lack of oil, as an unending supply of coal - steam lingers on, to this day (January 2018) in one opencast coal mine .... Sandaoling (see my videos). This is the last industrial steam working in the world (apart from a single Garratt in Zimbabwe) and is now in its last few months. It survives because of the unlimited supply of free fuel.
1:00, That is some "Big Ass Coal" from a "Big Ass Hole".
Andy and Dandan Fisher you forgot Bosnia, Poland and Indonesia (effectively dead)
Very nice video and fun to watch. Have a nice day.
Magnificent and very remarkable report. We adore seeing these old machines at the heart of the action. It is sensational to go get them(pick them up) where they are still: far from at our home(with us). Congratulation and encouragement!
Magnifique et très remarquable reportage. On adore voir ces vieilles machines en pleine action. C'est sensationnel d'aller les chercher là où elles sont encore: bien loin de chez nous. Felicitation et encouragement!
Merci beaucoup. This was recorded in 2003, however, there is still a very small amount of steam still lingering on in 2018. Please see my playlist -
th-cam.com/play/PLNKEdhmODMJxI2j-Vg4jtbeZqw2GfatEM.html
Andy
Fantastic footage. I suppose the mentality made sense that they would stick to old technology and burn 'free' coal to move coal for profit. Really interesting documentary.
Thank you so much for your comment. Please take a look at some of my other stuff. I have good footage from Sandaoling, an opencast mine that is still using steam to this day (2018). Check out - th-cam.com/play/PLNKEdhmODMJxI2j-Vg4jtbeZqw2GfatEM.html
Take off the boxpox drivers, remove the red paint, and make some subtle dome changes and you have American steam in the 1940's. The engine trailing truck is US circa 1918 and the tender trucks look to be Andrews.
You're right. I believe there are a number of Chinese locos have been purchased and shipped to the USA in recent years. I've no doubt they'll be finding work on museum lines around the country.
Wonderful, a little bit of editing and you could be watching something from 100 years ago.
Yes, and although this mine is now closed, there is still another similar one operating, Please take a look at this playlist -
th-cam.com/play/PLNKEdhmODMJxI2j-Vg4jtbeZqw2GfatEM.html
rick szabo The Hull Rust iron mine in Hibbing MN in 1942 must have been a lot like this. Thanks for bringing all the black and white pictures from that era to life.
great video, would have been nice to see some loading but I guess access would have been difficult that far down.
This is Jalainur which no longer has steam. Take a look at the following from Sandaoling. At least it shows a loading shovel if not much actual loading. Part 2 of this sequence has some interesting unloading shots too!
Wow - thx for this interesting video share!
It's really my pleasure. Sights like this are still (in 2018) there to see, but only in one last location in China. Please take a look at my Playlist - th-cam.com/play/PLNKEdhmODMJxI2j-Vg4jtbeZqw2GfatEM.html
Thx for this playlist!
My pleasure. I have lots more on here .... take a look - th-cam.com/users/AndyDandanFisherfeatured?disable_polymer=1
Solid stuff.
Ho Andy and Dandan, could you upload this gorgeous video in higher resolution. I love railways, but this video on my 4k 43" monitor show large pixels.
I'm sorry Aleksander. It was recorded 15 years ago and this is the best I have.
Great videos. I love steam locomotives but why don't they use conveyor systems?
Thank you for your comment. I imagine the answer to your question is that steam power was so cheap for them. Free fuel dug out of the ground in huge quantities.
When I saw the steam trains and shovels, I thot; "Just how old IS this"? Then read the description. I knew there are no more working steam trains today. It's a shame too!
Even today (2018) there's still one coal mine in China with about 6 steam locos working - plus one solitary British built loco working at Hwange Colliery in Zimbabwe. Take a look at my playlist -
th-cam.com/play/PLNKEdhmODMJxI2j-Vg4jtbeZqw2GfatEM.html
Andy and Dandan Fisher I can't wait to see them. Thanks!
FANTASTIC JOB !!!!
Thank you for your very kind comment. There are still (2018) a handful of steam locos working a different opencast mine in China - please see my Playlist - th-cam.com/play/PLNKEdhmODMJxI2j-Vg4jtbeZqw2GfatEM.html
are those steam shovels at 1:20?
Yes, they're steam powered loading shovels .... a rare commodity by western standards!
this is a train video......... not a video about the hole in the earth.
Can't argue with that !!
Thanks for your comment Bob ..... however, there's nothing Japanese in this video. The steam locos are built in China in the 1970s and 1980s and are copies of Russian designs, which in turn were copies of US designs. Andy
Andy and Dandan Fisher - Steam Around the World Soviet steam locomotives didn’t copy American designs apart from some basic features. The only engines that are somewhat exceptions are the locomotives that were given under the lend-lease program. To say that the Soviets locomotives were American copies because they used some basic design features is like saying the Canadians copied the US.
Your right about the hole in the ground part
This mine is now closed but the opencast mine at Sandaoling is still operating and still growing! ..... Andy
Have these engines have been running since they were originally constructed? How are they maintained?
These locos and some slightly larger other classes were built right up to the late 80's. These particular ones in the 70's I think. The Chinese State Railway has a very good maintenance system with workshops as good as any in the world. Of course, this was recorded in 2003 and has now long gone. There is still a handful of steam working in north western China in 2018. See my playlist -
th-cam.com/play/PLNKEdhmODMJxI2j-Vg4jtbeZqw2GfatEM.html
Thanks for the reply, and thanks for the videos!
My pleasure. Andy
10:22. Can somebody help me on what 2-8-2 Mikado this is?
It's an SY, Jeremy. It's the same class as all the others in the video but, unusually, fitted with smoke deflectors ...... Andy
Phew!! At least it was an SY.
Bingham Copper Mine, Utah is larger (nearly 3 miles wide, 5.5 miles long and 0.6 miles deep So, Jalainur is not the deepest or largest open cast mine. Coal mine perhaps, but certainly not the largest or deepest open cast mine.
very enjoy this is legendary
Good. I'm glad you enjoyed my video .... Andy
Was that the WEAKEST train whistle or what? lol
These engines usually used their air horn (they were fitted with both) but at least one does seem to have a faulty whistle. If you'd like to know what they really sounded like, play this - th-cam.com/video/xPJx24HDOW0/w-d-xo.html Andy
Is that 1850?
At least the locos didn't have to go far to get fuel.
That's the only reason they've survived for so long in China. There are still a handful of steam locos working an opencast coal mine in north west China today (2018) - please see my Playlist - th-cam.com/play/PLNKEdhmODMJxI2j-Vg4jtbeZqw2GfatEM.html
They need to build their own "BigBoy's" for this job...!
When will UP have that Big Boy back on the tracks???
FalconXE302 Ah you see it is a lot more intricate...
Coal haulers at shift
Transport before and after the shift ^-^
+Andy and Dandan Fisher UP's steam program has been sidelined due to financial issues. It seems the company needs the money for this program for more necessary expenditures. It is going to be at least another 8 years if not 12.
that steam engine at 12:55 reminds me of a tired old man about 96 y o he's just about had it chuga chug ! chug ! chug! chug! chug ! have i got one more chug !
Haha! In fact, the locos were only about 20 years old at the time. Andy
The horse at 10:05 sure looks like it would rather be someplace else!
It's still a very tough life in the farthest reaches of north west China, even today (2018) - for horses and for humans !
It doesn't appear malnourished so life might not be too bad. Everyone has a turd sandwich to eat! Some just taste better than others.
I am very surprised the Chinese Government allowed you any where near the mine site
Up until the last year or two, movement in China has been pretty well unrestricted. I have noticed a severe tightening of security since President Xi was made life president in 2017 though. Andy
Super video
See More: Coal mines in india,Coal consumption in India
Thank you for your kind comment. There is still one location in China where these sights can be seen. Please take a look at my playlist -
th-cam.com/play/PLNKEdhmODMJxI2j-Vg4jtbeZqw2GfatEM.html
if i didn't know better i would swear this was a clip from an old western movie back when steam engines were considered state of the art technology and this does not look like it was in china eather
Chinese steam locos were (and a few still are) copies of Russian designs, which in turn were copies of US designs - hence the similarity. Take a look at my Cuba clips ... they really are US built locos !
cars were steam,machinery was steam,its still the most powerfull engine you can have,it works regardless of atmospheric pressure,it will run in space,well,,nearly.. a diesel wont.they need 2 diesels at high altitude to do what 1 train did for decades.
stfu everything you just said is incorrect and your bronco two sucks. Why don't you go drive that shit to space and never comment on a youtube video again.
Your bullshit about atmoshperic pressure would be correct however nowadays (circa 1945-present) an invention called forced induction was put into work on diesel engines. No longer does atmosperic pressure affect any train or semi truck used to haul anything. Im going to disregard completly your statement about space.
GOSTO D VER AS PAISAGENS , AS MONTANHAS ETC...ETC...MUI LINDO !
Fico feliz que você esteja gostando dos meus vídeos ........ Andy
what a shame i do hope they saved these loverly loco,s .
These particular ones are long gone now but there are a few of the same class still hanging on around China - just doing a bit of shunting here or there. However, their larger cousins the JS class are still working hard at Sandaoling in western China. Please see my collection at -
th-cam.com/play/PLNKEdhmODMJxI2j-Vg4jtbeZqw2GfatEM.html
NO SHORTAGE OF FUEL
That's the only reason that steam has lingered on for so long in China. Take a look at the playlist I mentioned before!
th-cam.com/play/PLNKEdhmODMJxI2j-Vg4jtbeZqw2GfatEM.html
Didja think, though, that one escaping glowing ember could set the whole thing alight? That'd make for some serious local geothermal energy, if workers could get close.
Not likely to happen. The coal is hot usually when it comes out of the ground anyway. I've seen it being mined and smoking gently as it's dug out! The Earth becomes a very hot place underground and you don't have to go down very far for it to start getting hot in some places !!!
Actually, very likely to happen. Gotta go way down to find heat flux from down below, so that's a huge stretch. Besides random sparks lighting coal, it could easily be spontaneous combustion. Ever hear how Titanic was on fire, in her coal bunkers, from just that? Expose coal to air- poof!
Well, Jacques, we've been digging it out of the ground successfully all around the world for some hundreds of years !
I love steam engines more than diesel-electrics or electrics, but steam in 2003 (on anything other than a tourist line) is really a testimony to a failed country. They are incredibly maintenance intense. In a word they are "inefficient" for today's world! Fun to be around and watch, but hey, so are horse drawn trolleys!
Richard Gerlach I entirely agree but I can't help loving them. Not sure quite why! I like horses too!
Andy and Dandan Fisher LLOL!
*****"I obviously hate people who don't want to be a member of those who want to put us into a modern slavery"? You got that out of me touting the efficiency of modern locomotives vs. steam locomotives? Nothing to do with the fact that the MAINTENANCE costs for modern locomotives are a fraction of what they are for a steam locomotive? Even coal rich China has converted their trains to the modern world locomotives. Now where is your argument? Kreskin.
***** Diesel-Electric locomotive maintenance costs are a fraction of steam locomotive maintenance costs. Do some research. If steam locomotives were less costly the western world would still be using them.
+Richard Gerlach Please define efficient.
I won’t dislike it cuz I like trains
Hurrah! Hurrah!
What are you cheering for Hing Yee?
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모습 잘봤습니다 !
Do you have any steam locomotives still working in Korea? Andy
Andy and Dandan Fisher 님
답신 잘수신 하였습니다 !
thank you
Why use steam engines?
This was 14 years ago Scott but there is still a mine in the far west of China that's still using steam. Please see my videos on "Sandaoling". The main reason is that they're mining coal which means they have unlimited supplies of fuel for these locos. I think it makes economic sense !
Because they are in a coal mine and they can get free coals for steam engines.
It's ironic that those locos are a Japanese design from the 1920s called Mikado.
Ernest. I've already given you my answer to this comment before. The Japanese locos which gave rise to the use of the name Mikado were built by Baldwin in the 1890's. The term Mikado is now just an internationally recognised term for all locos of 2-8-2 wheel arrangement. These locos are Chinese built and are copies of earlier Russian designs. There's no Japanese connection whatsoever. Andy
Yes, Quite correct. BALDWIN developed the 2-8-2 Wheel arrangement from the earlier Consolidation 2-8-0, a Loco built after the US Civil War, during Reconstruction period ( 1870s-80s).
The "Mikado" name came about because a number of 2-8-2 locos in 3'6" gauge were ordered by the Japanese National
Railways...by 1905 Japan was building
its own Locomotives, based on American practice ( JALCO)
The Mikado Design was so popular in America that during WWI the USRA standardized two Designs the Light Mikado and the Heavy Mikado, for all Railroad Companies in the US.
Exports of similar machines were made to ROC in the 30s as well as after WWIi.
As in WWI , these Lend-Lease locos were a standard US Mikado design.
After the PRC was founded ( 1949) and the railways in China unified, the Design Bureau adopted several US and Soviet Designs as Standarrd, to ease maintenance and building.
The Soviet 2-10-0 heavy Freight, and the US 2-8-2 for general Freight were built at places like Datong ( NE China) right up to the 1980s...these New Locos replaced from 1950s all the worn out US and British locos from the 1930s.
Thousands of the Mikado design were built.
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Wait a train video that is cool
Haha. Give the train videos another chance .... you might grow to appreciate them all !!! Andy
В КНР БЕЗ ЛОКОМОТИВОВ НЕЛЬЗЯ, расстояния большие и чтобы их преодолеть, нужна техника и ее развитие.В основном паровозы, а не эл.возы в КНР.
Much of China is now being covered by High Speed Trains. However, there are still (2018) places like this where technology is old - and one place remaining where steam is still used.
In America there are thousands of diesel locomotives parked in the desert because they are obsolete!!!!!
Try persuading your new outward looking President to donate them to China !! (Unlikely, I think !!)
SO I WOULD OWN A COLD MINE AND BY DIESEL TO TRANSPORT MY COLD OUT OF THE MINES ..............
ONLY A DUMMY WOULD DO THAT
18:06 glimpse of the firebox
The firebox doors must have been open. They were probably stoking the fire.
Have a look at this cab ride to get a better look at a similar one - th-cam.com/video/yl78nSAYD2w/w-d-xo.html
That's a wonderful video, I greatly enjoyed it, thank you for the link!
I loved the twin teapots sitting on the firebox, with tin cans on the nozzles to keep 'em from blowing steam at the crew. :-)
I don't have any idea what most of those controls are that the engineer was using. Is there a diagram / key somewhere? And do you know why there's an apparently useless padlock hanging from that valve handle?
(BTW, 108 seconds isn't the right start point to view the firebox, though.)
I'm not a steam driver so I'm not certain either about the controls. The rotating handle to the driver's lower right is, I think, the injector valve. The handle just above it is the air brake. The lever hanging down from above (he has his hand on it from 4:40) is the regulator. Other than that I'm not sure.
I've no idea about the padlock - and the two kettles would be full of tea not just hot water (as they would be in the UK). They're huge tea drinkers in China!
Good grief the Chinese steamer sounds like a broken air pop popcorn popper, with nuts and bolts in the tray in place of popcorn seed.
The locos were remarkably well maintained actually - but the track was in an awful state. The clanking of rods on an eight coupled loco was pretty well standard across the globe !
Thanks for the labour of steam. I wonder what the BTU per ton of that grade of coal would run? The coal seems just like black dirt. No wonder China is a huge poluter of the atmosphere.
Of course, I have no idea of the answer to that point. You're right though .... it's not the best quality coal I've seen used around the world !
ROBERT DOYLE but they have the biggest economy in the world Ozzi is fkd at the side of them
Not much hope for ozzi workers in their million dollar houses china taking everything from us soon we will be sucked dry by their 1.4 billion mouths VERY GREEDY BASTARDS .
Wemn. Sex. Pon
Lack of explanation and I am clueless of this video?
This is basically for steam railway enthusiasts. What would you like to know? Andy
Beautiful clean coal. Trump’s dream
Yea Trump!
to,richard garlach--- trains,steam,might ?,be high maintenance,but they pull a shit load more than a diesel.PLUS,the power is free,it burns coal.not diesel digging out coal,makes sense to me,a train will last 200 yrs,a terex,5?,whats a tire cost on a terex,8k.
Certainly it's logical to run steam when you're digging the fuel out of the ground ! Sadly, this operation is no more but steam lingers on at Sandaoling. Please see my playlist -
th-cam.com/play/PLNKEdhmODMJxI2j-Vg4jtbeZqw2GfatEM.html
Andy
if you believe the ufo/conspiracy people,weve lost the tech for clean power,even if its still available,which it is,its free,so itll never happen.nuclear fusion was used here 25,000 yrs ago,as power & weapons,theres actually glass from explosions in the u.s. desert,& amazon jungles,no explanation for this green glass.why we still using 100 + yr old tech.oh i know,we have to pay for it.silly me.,,,trains,,,diesels are boring,steams the go,all that mechanical happening.
So big you can't see the hole : )
I admit the title's a little confusing. Sorry!
Understandable at 4 miles long! Great footage...
BTW, where were those steam locomotives built, how old are they, and how do the Chinese keep them running? India had steam locomotives left over from the British, but they finally retired them. They probably couldn't withstand the weight of all those Indians desperately clinging to the outside of the trains!
They were built in China up until the 1980's. They're developments of earlier Russian designs which, in turn, were developments of earlier US designs. Chinese maintenance regimes are as good as any around the world.
Been here.......haven"t done that..........I need a drink and then put on some more coal!
Just have the drink !!
2019 Now look at china fast trains & all passed alot countrys with all the $ they made 👍💲🤳👉🐨💭
That's true but take a look at the other side of China, as it is right now when you're reading this -
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Andy
China, a busy nation 👍🇬🇧
It certainly is ... Andy
And the hole?????????Where a hack is?
I apologise .... the title's a bit confusing if you're not one of my regular viewers. Basically, it's a train video!! However, it's filmed inside what is (or now "was") the largest opencast coal mine in the world. I agree though, you don't get to see much of the mine .... but lots of steam locos!!!!
Andy and Dandan Fisher amazing tha ammount of coal tjat can existe in the earth crust and those iron monsters mooving around the whole day fenomenal loads of black gold .and the locos are well mentainedmakes me think my son with his thomas trains.And in the mean time it feels like in a such apocaliptic envirement ,all black and grai and the only color is the red of the machine HELL
It's a blast from the past of Europe and North America. Still just about hanging on in China and (probably) in Russia. Andy
This is Thomas at a chinese scale. lol
not much of a hole......only trains
Maybe I should have given the video a different title. I'm sorry!! Andy
Happy Cyclopes.
Sadly, these one eyed giants are no longer there.
這是二。年代的火車吧居然:二。。三年還在走。怪不得韓國人當日說十五年前全中國都是叫化子現在神氣什麽
China still operates a handful of steam locos in the far north west. This operation is now the last real industrial use of steam power in the world. Steam lingered on in China mainly because they have unlimited supplies of coal. These last few locations using steam are coal mines where free fuel comes out of the ground! A sensible commercial decision if you think about it. Please see my playlist of steam still operating - th-cam.com/play/PLNKEdhmODMJxI2j-Vg4jtbeZqw2GfatEM.html
I am very thankful these atmospheric polluters are now gone! All cut apart for scrap steel. Much is being used as washing machine & clothes dryer panels! Nice reuse of materials!
The handful of steam locos still operating (and there are still about six left in China) are valuable pieces of industrial history. Compared to our ridiculously excessive use of electricity and oil, they create hardly any pollution at all. If you'd like to save our world - please walk to work, don't go on holiday in a jet plane, turn off your central heating and don't have a hot shower each day. Thanks !!
People who think High Efficiency or Low Emissions is great are obviously not in touch with the fact this new stuff last 5-10 yrs.. maybe.. How much in Emissions does the manufacturing and recycling of this new junk create plus the container ship full of cheap shit you shouldn't buy.
+Andy and Dandan Fisher A steam locomotive is not "valuable"' artifacts of history. They are items built of materials which can be melted & reformed into new products. These do create pollution which cannot be treated. Electricity does not, but some of the processes to produce electricity does, but those are being eliminated too. I do walk to work, i don't go away for holiday in any aircraft or vehicle other than a bicycle, I don't use heating or air conditioning & I very seldom take a hot or warm shower. You are welcome! Cut apart the remaining Chinese steam locomotives, junk them out & melt them down!
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+Hilltop Restoration People who do not update to High Efficiency & Low Emissions equipment & systems are not in touch with what is happening on the planet. New stuff may not last as long but the process to build replacements is cheaper & more efficient than the previous systems. It is well known the steam locomotives are junk & the railroads did a fine job of getting rid of many which was very good. Now it is time to finish the job & there is all those lovely copper tubes in the boilers which can be salvaged for scrap which pays for the effort to harvest it!
Go do a lame job of trolling somewhere else.
I presume China are ignoring the climate change global warming carbon footprint crap
This was 18 years ago of course ..... Andy