For everyone saying *"Why didn't Visla just shoot Maul after disarming him?"* , the answer is honor. The same can be said for Maul seeing as he *EASILY* could have just force choked him to death.
@@sukauser Also the people who saved Din Djarin, also known as "The Mandalorian" during a CIS invasion while the so called "Good" Mandos did 2 things, jack and shit, and jack left town.
So flying away from an opponent that is only armed with a melee weapon and attacking them with long range weapons and bombs is honorable, but shooting them after you disarmed them is not? Visla can use bombs, but Maul can't use the force? Ya if we were being extremely strict on honor, a fair fight would have been light sabers only Really, when it comes to fighting with Honor, it seems the only rule they have is no interfering in one-on-one duels(possibly also rules against fighting injured opponents). Fighting strictly "fair" has never really been part of the mandalorian way of fighting. You fight with whatever weapons you have at your disposal, and hit them with everything you got. If your opponent didn't bring a blaster to the fight because its not their style, then that's their fault; you don't need to fight on THEIR terms to fight them honorably. If your opponent is strong enough to beat you with their way of fighting, then they should be able to overcome whatever you have. Shooting Maul after Visla disarmed him would have been a more than honorable way to end the fight. The fight was just a bit contrived. They needed Visla to lose, but they wanted him to put up a really good fight; So Maul doesn't use force power giving Visla a better chance, and Vilsa ends up giving up perfectly good chance to win since he had to lose
Degradant 2.0 okay buddy this isn’t America bombing Vietnam here, he mandalorians respected warriors and a good warrior had honor forwards other good warriors
SomeRDMGamer yet some Mandalorians trained some clones on Kamino. Granted it was more specialized units and with Disney taking over I doubt it’s still canon.
Ügiustus Keiserus yeah but the difference is arcs and commanders were specialists troops and more independent than regular clone troopers. This independence caused multiple commando troopers to not actually do order 66. This independence was good for their specialized positions and missions but not for Palpatines plans.
@Lord Kuuga thats an unfair comparison, because every war they waged on the jedi or sith, always included them being reinforced by an empire or republic to help them. If the jedi or sith orders alone had went up against them, it likely would have ended very differently.
Some_Random_Asian_boi Don’t forget about their other tactic, which is do absolutely nothing while the enemy is vulnerable, then launch an attack once the enemy is fortified.
@@robopope7584 Also don't forget that they basically sent the entire Jedi Order over just to save Obi Wan, yes Anakin and Padme were also kidnapped but they didn't know that, they just thought they were rescuing Obi Wan. Amd by the time the battle in the arena was over there were basically only ten Jedi left and Padme.
The main reason Jedi were such bad comanders is simple. You have these superhuman warriors who could run into heavy blaster fire without taking a single hit. They grew up around people that could do the same. But when they order the clones to do it with them the clones suffer high casualties. And don't get me started on the fact that they led from the front. It's no wonder that the Jedi went from thousands in their order to dozens when order 66 was activated.
If every clone would have had same equipment as your normal Mandalorian that would been too costly for anybody to fund. Mandalorians personal armors/technology in their suit was very expensive which would mean that the army would been lot smaller than what it was and droids still would have overwhelmed them with numbers. All out aggression is bad tactic when you have limited manpower and will either result in quick victory or will end up you being pushed back and annihiliated. Also we have example of this in SWTOR era as Mandalorians there fought against Eternal Empire likely using same tactics but they were pushed back to their homeworlds rather quick. They basically ran out of resources and were forced to set on defensive.
The Mando'ade of that era didn't enjoy fighting machines, finding far less honour or glory in it than they would in fighting the living. Their morale was pretty much in the toilet before the Outlander joined in. Side note - that's the only chapter of KotFE that I willingly repeat. Love the music and love the Mando'ade.
I feel like the mandalorians wouldn't be very political, and that honestly they will just load up a bunch of ships with their smaller Army and go straight towards the heart of the enemy to kill them before they can even tell the droids to ransack other worlds. Because if a robot doesn't receive orders, it won't function.
You think a youtuber who also has a channel on history would have learned from operation barbarossa that all out aggressions doesn't work if the enemy can replace their losses much easier then you can.
And as we already know thanks to a certain Senate story arc in The Clone Wars, the republic was hurting for credits and resources by the middle of the war. I feel like a single suit of customized true Mandalorian style armor would have been worth easily several dozen troopers, probably even worth an entire squad of Clone Commandos.
Yes if dooku stuck to sith ways and betrayed palpatine after obi wan had arrived he would have likley ordered the entire navy to mobolize blowing up the strike team and the clone army and a 2 fronted blitzkrieg could be started one to seige kamino and another to lay seige coruscunt would have ended with dooku orbitally bombarding the senate building ending palpatine
I think it was an honour thing. Vizla and Maul basically needed to kill the other with their sabers, the other stuff was just tactical. Remember, Maul didn't force-crush him.
Except the whole point of the Clone Wars was to demonize and annihilate the Jedi and put the Sith on top. Hard to do that if you let the Mando'ade solve the Separatist Crisis in nothing flat ;)
ZoeMalDoran You could use them by saying that the Mandolorians did most of the work, and the clones were also technically Mandolorians in their own right, and say that the Jedi generals lead disastrous battles when the Mandolorians and clones actually achieved things. Make the galaxy think the Jedi are essentially useless and unneeded, and then if they attack *The Senate* like they did in Episode 3, then that gives Palpatine an excuse to execute order 66, and the galaxy wouldn’t care because after all that happens, they’d see the Jedi as nothing but a bunch of hypocritical, troublemaking, backstabbing people that needed to be “taken care of”...
And how would they solve the seperatist crisis? Economy is king and the seperatist far outclasses the gar in that category let alone the mandalorians. If plot armor did not play such a role in star wars than the cis would have steamrolled the gar in a matter of months and taken over the mandalorian home world in a night.
@@thalmoragent9344 I wouldn't call all the Clones full fledged Mandalorians. Mandalode is a culture, not simply just a people. Do you call all Asians Chinese? No. Only a few clones could be considered Mandalorian. Commandos, Null ARCs, and the few who took to the Mandalorian culture. I wouldn't consider some Clones like Cody to be a Mandalorian given that Cody probably wouldn't be compatible to Mandalorian culture, given Cody's strict no nonsense nature. Honor to him wouldn't be a key priority like it is to a Mandalorian.
Jazz Espinosa Well actually yeah that’s kinda what I meant, sorry for not elaborating further. I don’t see them as all purely Mandolorian, just a few similar aspects, with a few clones (the ones you mentioned) that would actually be Mandolorian level in all the ways.
Ive not watched 1 episode of my hero academia True, I remember that there was a video on that too. The Seperatist should have pumped out droid after droid. The clones would still do well, but they couldn’t have held them all off for long.
@@ufc990 I know. The creators just made it seem like he had more skill in the later episodes. Like he actually trained with it in between the episodes we saw him in. I mean compare the first fight we saw with him and Obi-wan to the Maul fight. Its like a night and day difference.
@@jakesaathoff1725 I agree that's what it looks like but that's just tv, I don't think they were trying to imply he's been training a bunch. It's just like in dragon ball and shizz.
Usually agree with you geetsly. However, trying to supply the entire GAR with mandalorian gear would been financially impossible for the republic. They Couldn’t even afford to clone the army.
True, they would have beskar and some of the more sophisticated gadgets, but i think i would have been possible for many more of them to have wrist mounted weapons and jet packs.
@@FooForce7 Only in New Canon. In Legends Jango was part of the True Mandalorians amd he went on to train Boba, and the clone commandos and Null and Alpha ARCs in the Mandalorian way before he was killed
@@ugiustuskeiserus8066 Well, according to George Lucas, he never considered Boba Fett or Jango Fett Mandalorians. Even before he sold Star wars to Disney.
@@dungeonguy88 That was when he was working on Season 2 of The Clone Wars; The Clone Wars is very different from any of the content that came before and was the beginning of the 'Legends-Canon' thing before Disney.
Thinking of clones like commandos, ARCs, and clones like Rex with Mandalorian armor is terrifying. A single commando could take out hundreds of droids even more easily.
So... actually knowing something about fighting. By what you're describing the mandos were great gladiators, maybe decent insurgents, and a horrible undisciplined mess of an army. Individual prowess is good for the individual, it makes the individual more likely to survive. But if that individual cannot function within a larger unit then they will never have the MULTIPLIED strength of fighting alongside their comrades. Furthermore war is not a battle. Going all out provides short term gains but leaves you weak for the long grind of war. You're right the war would have been over quick. As the mandos overextended their supply lines, exhausted their troops and failed to protect their rear from insurgencies popping up from behind they would have been absolutely dominated by the unrelenting push of CIS forces. Modern infantrymen carry one weapon unless they are assigned a special weapon like a grenade launcher, AT-4, or machine gun. They do not have gadgets coming out of their ass. In fact if you attach too much crap to your rifle, scopes, lasers, grips, excetera you will be made fun of because you are weighing yourself down with junk that is less useful then being not fatigued at the end of your patrol due to weight. Gear whores do not do well on real patrols.
If your heavily outnumbered then going all out is your only choice. Like with the caroleans under carlous rex. You decide when to engage. You act before they can react and you break the enemy.
Nail on the head that makes them rather poor for commanding armies. The Mandalorians are far too independent of a combat force, and are more suited to skirmishers. Which is why ARC troopers are trained in Mandalorian styles of combat. They're not a standing army, but they make for one hell of strike team/distraction. I feel like they're a group that just is hyped, and no real fluff to make up said hype. There's also the nature of the clones, as they were designed like simple drones. Some soldiers would require a longer time in the tanks, and training before seeing combat. If you were to do that, you wouldn't have an army ready for Geonosis. Hell, once they get the flight data from Obi-Wan's ship, you may not even have a cloning facility.
Agreed except about the gear. We can't carry that much gear cause it's heavy cumbersome and we have to walk a lot. Theirs is light compact and they fly if traveling past their refrigerator. If we could have an m4 sized rifle that weight no more than an m4 with 1000 rounds, range finder, trajectory calculator, night vision, ir, multiple projectile types various explosives and a grappling hook would you still be interested in an m4?
Debatable the mandalorians did rather well against the old repubic etc the troops were organised not like the mess you believe them to be any you have hedi who are peacekeepers ans know nothing og military tactics etc or mandalorians who are raised since birth to be warriors and soldiers i am sure the mandalorians would do a better job the the first and second invasion of geonosis which was filled with stupid decisions by the jedi
@@DavidKFZ It's called plot armour whenever characters survive something simply because they are important characters and can't be written out yet. Usually it's bad writing, really. See: Rey
If jedi had the same gear and fought like Mandalorens man the war would have been over quick. There was small group knights in old republic that join mandalorens and they changed the tide of many battles.
No they would have lost 10/10 and quite easily. Assuming that palaptine isnt controlling the war the economic disadvantage that the gar had is to much for the mandalorians. Their help although possibly better than the jedis would do little in benefiting the gar.
A tactic of constant offense and "unrelenting pressure" works amazing against flesh and blood enemies with emotions and a hindered level of tactical thinking when they are distracted by attacks, but against the CIS? I think the offensive Mandalorian tactics would create flaws that constantly analyzing droids would be able to exploit.
@@Redoren966 no really true. The Jedi were far less qualified commanders the Mandalorians would have been able to lead the clones far more efficiently than the Jedi would have been able to meaning there would be less clone casualties
@@mouse3872 1. No they weren't considering mandalorians strategy were basically just "attack until they are dead" and far more predictable which makes traps and ambushes far easier 2. No the casualties would skyrocket because they would keep attack and not care about casualties did you see the video?
"Any sort of casulties was acceptable if it brough victory" - Actually in one of the Kotor games there was a Mandalorian that wanted to kill Canderous for that mentality - because he did just that - he sacraficed his troops needlesly to win a battle a bit quicker - despite the battle being almost won already.
I've just done some calculations and even if each clone managed to kill 1000 droids each there would still be 99,999,999,500,000,000 droids left. Yeah at this rate every battle in the clone wars should have made the eastern front look like a holiday. The idea of the war ending in any other way that total CIS victory is laughable. In fact even with Palpatine sabotaging the war effort the droids should have just been able to smash evey republic defence with numbers alone.
@@bengale9977 realistically droids and clones would make 0 difference the entire war would hang on who had a larger space fleet and was able to blockade important mining, industrial and city worlds of their opponent
Fighting like you're the only individual on the battlefield when you're not would only cause chaos for the army as a whole. Being equipped to be a 1 man army only means that you have everything you need which is always good. The big Ms are amazing warriors and fighters but i personally see nothing but positives from fighting as a unit and using Defenses tactics/strategies
@@ugiustuskeiserus8066 Quite, Jaster Mereel and his True Mandalorians were the perfect example of what a Mandalorian should be. Hell, even Spar's Supercommando force that assisted the Separatists during the Clone Wars were an excellent example of what Mandalorians should be. And the ultimate example of the Mando'ade would be Mandalore the Preserver (Canderous Ordo)'s Mandalorians on Dxun.
@@shadekerensky3691 Damn right. Modern age Mandos should always represent the True Mandalorian philosophy. What's even more ironic is how Death Watch didn't even honor the Neo-Crusaders. Most of them were corrupt criminals who wanted to dominate the galaxy for their own power hungry needs, using the Mandalorian tradition as an excuse.
Thought he was going to talk about how the GAR should’ve been annihilated at Geonosis, and the Confederacy would’ve forced the Republic to the peace table
@@KarlPHorse thing is that the genetics of the clones were an altered version of jango and that's not counting the chip implant either. And the training/equipment was completely different from mandilorians as well.
@@KarlPHorse *Genetically* Mandalorian means nothing. *Culturally* Mandalorian does. They're a culture, not a race. Most clones were not culturally Mandalorian.
Please make what if video about-> If Earth(Cold War era version) is in the Star Wars universe in the SWTOR game, how will the Blue Marble change the Star Wars galaxy as a whole?
@@moblinmajorgeneral can u explain this in a more detailed version? Like will we Terrans become the Star Wars humans' successors as the most deadly interstellar species or something similar?
@@pyeitme508 With an external threat that has far higher technology than the 50-60s, Terrans would drop literally everything to understand and repel whichever side was unfortunate enough to make first contact. We would forget we almost destroyed each other just because we have someone else to fear.
Peter Yim this would probably be more interesting if you put Earth(modern era) as a new system. We’d have a few tricks up out sleeves, mainly our armor and weapons.(NV, Thermal vision, guns that are more effective than most of the star wars weaponry, Tier 1 operators on the level of clone commandos, etc)
Indeed, with the Mandalorians in command, the clone wars should’ve ended pretty fast, by them needlessly sending clone troopers to the slaughter (they can’t be expected to be as skilled nor as well equipped as the mandalorians on an army scale), as an all agressive regardless of defense or casualties tactic might not have been that effective against an enemy that can rebuild troops in a matter of hours. An all offensive strategy can work out when you have very skilled, very powerful soldiers like the Mandalorians, or a huge army of disposable peons like the CIS. The Grand Army of the Republic had neither: Their clone troopers were a balance between skill and disposability, which works fine for defensive warfare, not much so for an all agressive strategy. Not to mention the crushing superiority the CIS navy held over the Republic, which would’ve made an agressive strategy even harder to pull off as the GAR troops would have a hard time to even reach the planets they have to fight on. And when you think about it, Palpatine wouldn’t have let the clone wars end so quickly, even if the Mandalorian tactic were to work !
I don’t really think the Mandelorians would’ve made good commanders in the GAR. For one, I don’t think most clones would be enthusiastic about literally walking to their deaths with no questions asked. Not to mention that if the Mandelorians were in charge the republic would have to constantly be paying for more and more clones to be created!
well duh, that's because they were being produced on pitifully small island cities located on a SINGLE PLANET. it would be more believable if the clone facilities were present on MULTIPLE planets, were more numerous, and had been training clones for some time.
Never knew your army being led by Mandalorians can magically turn 200000 clones into 2 million wich would allow a aggressive approach to actually work.
Have to disagree since it had been quite awhile since Mandos were waging large full scale wars other then against other clans. As such they were better off being small units that could work independently hence the arc trooper or sorry what the arc trooper was until the clone wars just made them captains of directing units of front line troops. Still if the CIS wasn't being sabotaged by its head then I could see them hiring warrior clans to counter the Republic arc giving them credits and allowing them to fully bring back the old way of adopt where if your prove you can be mando then you deserve a spot in a Clan. This would allow them to build their ranks more, make their clans even more battle harden, have a huge droid army to back up and hold positions they take, and create to possible options for their end goal of Mandalor with it either (a) becoming part of the Republic in the war so they take it there (b) it joins the CIS in which case they are ready to adopt a more aggressive stance which Death Watch wanted (c) it remains neutral and the CIS when they end the war negotiate with the GR that attacking neutral world would be allowed and the GR can t do anything.
Hard to see the Republic's logistics being able to keep up with a Mandalorian led blitzkrieg with such a large army. Especially so early on in the war.
Its true, but the economics arent that heavily swayed to the separatists side. THey had the advantage of a much more efficient economy, but it was also a much smaller economy. the vast majority of the galaxies industrial capacity was still in the republic, even if it didnt have the efficiency to use it. The economy of both sides was probably similar.
@@lenkagamine4145 The theoretical economic capabilities were around similar, while still being slightly in favor of the CIS. But the actual economic capabilities were devastatingly in favor of the CIS. No contest. The leading industrial entities of the galaxies were siding with the CIS in a war that followed shortly after the outer rim experienced the greatest economic boom in the history of the galaxy up until that point in time. They had the resources, the manpower, and the facilities to churn out army after army until the planets were dead without pausing. They also had the leading scientific entities working for them. In a prolonged conflict (which isnt manipulated), the CIS would have outmanufactured and developed the GAR easily.
Was going to watch the entirety of the video until I heard him at the begging say “today we’re gonna discuss what would have happened if the mandolorians ran the GAR” We know the answer: They would have won
@ZonTheDon The bigger the economy the more you're able to output. This is a huge advantage that the gar doesnt have when compared to the cis. Honestly your argument is falling apart
War lessons for life: Strike while the iron is hot, winning is good, making your opponent admit that you win is better, and things are not always what they seem.
One issue with that: The Mandalorians were mainly pro-Separatist in Legends, and Canon only retconned this for the New Mandalorians and Death Watch. There is still another sect, the Old Mandalorians, which fill the role of the Legends era Mandalorian Protectors
"Cloned from jango fett" and "literally jango fett" are two VERY different things. Jango fett didnt become such an amazing warrior just from genetics alone (they helped, dont get me wrong) but through training and conflict as well. Only the absolutely best clones would be anywhere near comparable to him.
It’s mentioned in the Books or Comics that some of the Jedi/Clone Leaders were frustrated that the war was spread out on so many front They wanted to “smash key Separatist points” & end the war ASAP This of course was Pappa Palpy killing off as many Jedi as possible before Order 66
weren't alot of the battles in the clone wars just battles of endurance? the clone army was massively outnumbered to start with. going full balls to the wall with expensive weaponry would be super costly and you would end up losing the battle anyways since you just used up all your resources for part 1 of the battle. not to mention the republic was nearly bankrupt
I already love the clones as they are but just imagining the sheer brutality and kill focused mentality the clones would get by being led by the mandalorians would be great and in my eyes, would make them even cooler
Really, anyone would have better abilities than precognition, the ability to psychically direct soldiers through battle meditation, and the ability to just sense if something is going wrong without knowing? None of those have *any* strategic value?
@@lenkagamine4145 Maybe you have a point, but there's a difference between having those abilities and knowing how to use them. High-value consultants/advisers/VIP's maybe, but not commanders
@@spyorgclubbord9520 ya post rotj is all gone makes sense considering the actors. Some other stuff is as well like the mainline star wars comic that happens right after ep4 it changes a bit what the rebels and Empire did after the the Death Star 1 destruction. So unless they create new canon just look at the old.
You don't need the Force, you use a specialised equipment. To contain the Force Ghost you need proton weaponry, note that a proton torpedo is not practical, instead a backpack mounted proton beam weapon is used. Called a proton pack it fires a continuous proton beam that can snare a Force Ghost in place while a Muon trap is placed to capture the Force Ghost. The Force Ghost is then placed in a containment unit where it is held indefinitely. Oh and whatever you do when firing multiple proton packs, _don't cross the streams…_
Mandalorian Bounty Hunters may have operated solo but groups of mercenaries or trained Armies would operate together and form cohesive units. You can’t operate in a large group otherwise.
one of the big issues with the clone army is that they were all HEAVILY altered, mostly in ways that made them far less effective as combatants. they weren't so much clones as made-to-spec production items with the original determining baseline quality. basically about as close to the dumber types of droids as you can get and still made of squishy. also doesn't help that they were quite literally made-to-fail so there'd be a power vacuum in their wake.
Imagine if Jango met Pre vizla after the Mandalorian Civil war, what if Jango and Pre Vizla met and fought, and Jango would kill Vizla and take the dark Sabre along with Mandalore.
I really enjoyed the video. I really think it’s subjective IMO. A lot of the tactics used in Star Wars seems representative of what happened in WW1. I don’t think the Mandos would have made great commanders of Army groups. I do think they would have made great leaders of a special forces group In specialized units with specific training. I believe they could be a force multiplier in that regard.
Yeah I agree had the mandalorians led the GAR the CIS would have been easily wiped out. Another reason Palpatine would not have had the Mandalorians lead the GAR is because they are far to independent and would have resisted his rule. This can actually be shown in the old EU when a lot of the specialized units like the Arc Troopers and Commando's trained by the Mandalorians either saw through Palpatines deception and refused to execute Order 66 or saw the order to just be wrong and refused it and a lot of them also deserted the Empire after it took over and went to Mandalore itself and some even saved jedi and took them to Mandalore. And this was because of the influence of Mandalorian culture and the Mandalorians themselves urging the soldiers to be independent and think. Now imagine if the entire GAR was like that, it wouldn't exactly work to well for Palpatine especially if the Mandalorians turned on Palpatine.
In the later parts of the Clone War novels, The Jedi turned Mando said to his Mando brother. Most of the best Mandos were in fact Force Sensitive. Their Force Talents were to the physical abilities of Enhance Ability Str/ Dex and Battle Mind to improve their combat skills, natural Force development competing against life. Maybe some sixth sense in relating in being ambushed .
Me: *Sees title of this video* Me: Oh boy.... Another video on "why the endless masses of robot fire ants under Dooku's command would have annihilated the Republic forces and conquered the Galaxy in no time were it not for Palpatine"... *Sigh* Jango Fett and every Mandalorian: Now let us tell you why that's bullshit... Me: *Watches video* Me: A surprise to be sure but welcome one indeed.
Not bullshit. Economic power in war is king and with no plot armor (sidious) to hold both sides down the cis would walk over the gar mandalorian or not.
@@ivenotwatched1episodeofnar71 Good point. The Mandalorian Zerg Rush that Geetsly's described could easily backfire. I'm starting to question why Palpatine thought it was a good idea to let the Confederacy get so powerful that if the Confederacy got free of his manipulation that he'd have no hope of winning the war conventionally.
Perhaps Palapatine should have focused on turning the Confederacy into his perfect Death Star dictatorship and curb stomp the Republic so hard that the Rebel Alliance would never be able to rise to challenge his droid empire...
@@gabrielmcbride8503 Yea the zerg rush is a terrible strategy especially seeing how the cis used a similar tactic of overwhelming the gar. Plot is why the cis wouldnt become free of the manipulation so we can call bs on that. I do agree that palpatine should have focused with the cis and made it his own instead of using the clones. He would have been nigh impossible to beat the industrial output is terrifying. In legends there were a quintillion active droids thats 18 zeroes and thats only active its not counting the casualties and inactive ones.
@@ivenotwatched1episodeofnar71 Though, I also wonder how the war would have turned out if the Republic built their own droid army to be the bulk of their troops while clones remained the elite troops. In such a scenario, it would put the Condederacy's industrial output against the Republic's, and I've seen it debated both ways who had the greater output. Plus, Jedi or Mandalorians leading an army of modern versions of KoToR's Sentinel Droids against the CIS would just be pure awesomeness!
@@lorastra6975 In a Sci-fi realistically a fleet is the most important part of the military, as theoretically you can just bombard any army from space (assuming you don't care about civilian casualties). To give a non-Star Wars example, the UNSC from Halo routinely won ground battles, but lost almost every space battle and thus would have lost the war. The CIS is considered to have the best fleet of all the 4 main factions (Though the og New Republic probably would have given them one heck of a fight) with the Republic losing space battles so badly in the early parts of the war they avoided them as much as they could. Mandalorians can't do anything if they can't even get to the ground in the first place.
@@knightiafletcher and without a good military on the ground guarding with shields and cannons that is design to destroy space fleets that come too close is better and cheaper too. Not to mention who ever controls the gound battles controls the resources that funds the entire military including the navy. Even if the CIS had better fleets it's pointless if they can't get the resources to fund and build them if all the worlds are captured by ground forces that setup anti space fleet cannons on the surface which means that the CIS needs to send down a invasion force in order to knock out the ground forces' shields and cannons before the fleet can close onto the planet.
@@vexingrabbit1824 Did you miss my entire point? A good ground military can be bombarded from the air/from space, doesn't matter how good of a soldier you are when the bombs start dropping. And if in defense, any transports are going to get shredded by superior CIS fleets and fighters. And the Republic couldn't even afford the Clones to begin with (they went bankrupt by the Mid-war), do you seriously think they could have afforded Mandolorian Mercenaries and equipment as well. The CIS had a much better economy, then went with the cheaper but far more numerous army, while having a much better fleet. Remember they lost because they were supposed to and thus were deliberately sabotaged by Palpatine, not because their military sucked.
@@knightiafletcher Yes the carpet bombardment can be really affective, but at the same time can be a useless waste of money. The bombs destroys the surface. So if the Droid army would act like you said they just destroy everything on the surface of the planet meanwile the clone army would dig in deep, use caves and stuff. I mean the republic flee distracts the most of the Separatist flee. And during that the ground forces could make themself safe from bombs. Serously no offense but the clone army did not suck either. And for real at the end, both army got destroyed. The droid army got turned off and the clones got turned into idiot stormtrooper like soldiers, no thinking jus following the orders. (Sry for bad English)
1. At the time mandalor was in a time of peace and those warriors were outlaws as well as the system wasn’t republic allied 2. The mandolorians lost their war with the Jedi and unless you are a very powerful mandolarian, you will lose to a Jedi 3. The chandelier was playing both sides and he was the reason the war dragged out so long 4. If it was any other sith against visla I believe he would have lost. Mual was trained to be a dualist but had he used the force in ways a Jedi would have then visla would have never stood a chance
Arcs were basically best of the best. The elite. You dont Breed that kind of skill. Thats like saying why doesnt America just replace their whole military with SEALS.
The war had to drag out to let Sidious take over. Only by making it look bad/close could he do that and some major victories early would have let the council free to say no to the extra powers he acquired when the threat seemed greater than it was. Case of point the great number of reserves(literally millions) that showed up later when he had consolidated the power.
The Confederacy would've fallen, but you underestimate Grievous. Twenty strikes per second and strength/speed that no living being could match are beyond the skill even of most Mandalorians to defeat.
General Grievous1138 so you’re entire army of Mandos themselves fighting Grievous wouldn’t change anything? They can see a upcoming threat and would’ve immediately tracked him, found his weaknesses and stopped him or killed him. He was the General of the Confederacy but he want immune. They wouldn’t have let him build his reputation which in part made him so deadly. Mandos fought Sith and Jedi alike and Grievous was neither.
Gh0st 1024 This isn't about an army of Mandos, it's a group of Mandos leading an army of Mando-trained clones. Mandalorians weren't all-powerful, no more than the Jedi were. And while Grievous wasn't either, he was considerably more powerful than any Mandalorian.
I am certain Jango was an actual Mandalorian in the canon version despite what the New Mandalorian government said about him, of course, the peace lovers would insist he was not a Mandalorian despite being from one of their plants, wearing their kind of armor, using their tactics and weapons, and was on their skill level.
As a general, not a lower officer like a Lt or Cpt, you don't lead from the battle front you cannot make any front/theater-wide strategic plan if you're in the middle of fighting the enemy especially with basically melee weapon you're too busy and you're distracted to think, plan and communicate anything in the middle of battle. Jedi just ran into battle basically unkillable expecting clones to somehow block/dodge/deflect the lasers too. If not this they really practiced the idea that clones are expendable but any asset in battle is an asset. This is why they had high casualties and were crap leaders.
Have you read the Republic Commandos novels by Karen Traviss? They're a fantastic deep dive into the effect that Mandalorians had on the GAR. At least, until it was retconned into "Legends" obscurity.
People always say how "If the CIS was playing for keeps, they'd overwhelm the GAR and crush them." Well they should watch this, even an army of trillions of droids need to abide by logistics.
I think things would've been more like how NULL squad was, basically being Kal's (who is a Mandalorian) personal army, but instead of everyone being under one person they would be ordered just by there commander who would most likely take orders from someone higher. although they listened to Kal Skirata because he saved them, it still might be somewhat like that
The problem with Mandalorian command: they were experts in unconventional, small scale operations, however, in a big combined arms war, heavily relying on strong rear and industry, naval dominance, rate of casualty replenishment and so on, the best possible solution was to hire generals from big mercenary armies (like Ailonians) or high ranking officers from the armed forces of member states of the Republic (for example, men like admiral Jullaren to be put in charge of the military). Jedi could be used a small, elite, task force or be removed completely.
I feel like this was a possibility, with mandalorian bounty hunters acting as trainers for clones, but Palpatine wanted a long drawn out conflict with ineffective leaders who had no idea how to lead armies, so the public would hate the jefi for all the chaos of the war
In an alternate timeline, there is a Darth Sidious who made the Mandalorians the GAR commanders with Jedi "Advisers" And a disappointed disembodied spirit of Darth Plagious asking "What were you honestly expecting" when they end up winning the war before the second half of the first shipment of clone troopers even arrived.
Great video! One thing that came to mind, though, is that a lot of what was discussed in the videe relies on the psychological aspect of Mandalorian warfare tactics (i.e. keeping pressure on the enemy so It can't Focus; be bbrutal and disrupt their morale and etc...). However, the CIS was comprised of mostly droids, which can't feel emotios (thus, unnafected by psychological warfare) and are able to react/adapt much quicker to Mandos changes on tactic than organic oponents (excluding force users). So, in a Sense, parte of what made Mandalorian so effective warriors against organic armies would be useless against the CIS. What are yout thought on that?
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For everyone saying *"Why didn't Visla just shoot Maul after disarming him?"* , the answer is honor. The same can be said for Maul seeing as he *EASILY* could have just force choked him to death.
Honor? Are you talking about Death Watch? About "honor warriors" who burn the villages with unarmed civilians?
@@sukauser I think they see honor in those with power.
@@sukauser Also the people who saved Din Djarin, also known as "The Mandalorian" during a CIS invasion while the so called "Good" Mandos did 2 things, jack and shit, and jack left town.
So flying away from an opponent that is only armed with a melee weapon and attacking them with long range weapons and bombs is honorable, but shooting them after you disarmed them is not? Visla can use bombs, but Maul can't use the force? Ya if we were being extremely strict on honor, a fair fight would have been light sabers only
Really, when it comes to fighting with Honor, it seems the only rule they have is no interfering in one-on-one duels(possibly also rules against fighting injured opponents). Fighting strictly "fair" has never really been part of the mandalorian way of fighting. You fight with whatever weapons you have at your disposal, and hit them with everything you got. If your opponent didn't bring a blaster to the fight because its not their style, then that's their fault; you don't need to fight on THEIR terms to fight them honorably. If your opponent is strong enough to beat you with their way of fighting, then they should be able to overcome whatever you have. Shooting Maul after Visla disarmed him would have been a more than honorable way to end the fight.
The fight was just a bit contrived. They needed Visla to lose, but they wanted him to put up a really good fight; So Maul doesn't use force power giving Visla a better chance, and Vilsa ends up giving up perfectly good chance to win since he had to lose
Degradant 2.0 okay buddy this isn’t America bombing Vietnam here, he mandalorians respected warriors and a good warrior had honor forwards other good warriors
Palpatine would never have allowed the Mandalorians near his army. They were far too independent and would have resisted his rule
SomeRDMGamer yet some
Mandalorians trained some clones on Kamino. Granted it was more specialized units and with Disney taking over I doubt it’s still canon.
Well before New Canon. The elite clones (Alpha ARCs, Null ARCs and Commandos) were Mandalorians. So obviously he didn't really care that much
Ügiustus Keiserus yeah but the difference is arcs and commanders were specialists troops and more independent than regular clone troopers. This independence caused multiple commando troopers to not actually do order 66. This independence was good for their specialized positions and missions but not for Palpatines plans.
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But Palpatine allowed it anyway as enough of the clones did what they needed to anyway
Ügiustus Keiserus Technically all the clones were Mandalorian because they were closed from one
I forgot how epic that fight between Maul and Visla was
I know right vizla damn near killed Maul several times
That idiot. He was so close to killing Maul. Just thrust forward with the Darksaber. His feet were tied up.
Aside from the bit when visla charged maul and then punched him several time in the face, the animation was excellent
@@pougetguillaume4632 Definitely
Oh hell yeah it’s easily the second best fight in the show
The mandalorians were easily the best warriors in the galaxy.
Why?
They could take on Jedi and Sith alike with just their wits and tech alone.
* *_Laughs in Revan_* *
*Laughs* *in* *Mace* *and* *Obi-wan*
Wits, wrists and tech.
@@joshmenendez5921 *watch those wrist rockets*
@Lord Kuuga thats an unfair comparison, because every war they waged on the jedi or sith, always included them being reinforced by an empire or republic to help them.
If the jedi or sith orders alone had went up against them, it likely would have ended very differently.
Here are 3 tactics the Jedi use frequently
1.charge
2.charge
And lastly charge
Some_Random_Asian_boi Don’t forget about their other tactic, which is do absolutely nothing while the enemy is vulnerable, then launch an attack once the enemy is fortified.
And The High Ground. We cant forget about The High Ground.
Not if your Anakin, his recklessness and outside the box thinking was his trademark
@@robopope7584 Also don't forget that they basically sent the entire Jedi Order over just to save Obi Wan, yes Anakin and Padme were also kidnapped but they didn't know that, they just thought they were rescuing Obi Wan.
Amd by the time the battle in the arena was over there were basically only ten Jedi left and Padme.
4. The high ground.
And 5. *ANANKINS* *SUICIDAL* *PLANS*
"do you think the mandalorians would be better commanders than the jedi" mate, I think a 10 year old would've made a better commander than the Jedi
Totally true they were pretty much warrior monks with light sabres
@@AceDan-gc9po so...jedi lol
Heh
Well. The clones were 10 year old by the time of Geonosis sooooooooo
The main reason Jedi were such bad comanders is simple. You have these superhuman warriors who could run into heavy blaster fire without taking a single hit. They grew up around people that could do the same.
But when they order the clones to do it with them the clones suffer high casualties.
And don't get me started on the fact that they led from the front.
It's no wonder that the Jedi went from thousands in their order to dozens when order 66 was activated.
If every clone would have had same equipment as your normal Mandalorian that would been too costly for anybody to fund. Mandalorians personal armors/technology in their suit was very expensive which would mean that the army would been lot smaller than what it was and droids still would have overwhelmed them with numbers. All out aggression is bad tactic when you have limited manpower and will either result in quick victory or will end up you being pushed back and annihiliated.
Also we have example of this in SWTOR era as Mandalorians there fought against Eternal Empire likely using same tactics but they were pushed back to their homeworlds rather quick. They basically ran out of resources and were forced to set on defensive.
The Mando'ade of that era didn't enjoy fighting machines, finding far less honour or glory in it than they would in fighting the living. Their morale was pretty much in the toilet before the Outlander joined in. Side note - that's the only chapter of KotFE that I willingly repeat. Love the music and love the Mando'ade.
I feel like the mandalorians wouldn't be very political, and that honestly they will just load up a bunch of ships with their smaller Army and go straight towards the heart of the enemy to kill them before they can even tell the droids to ransack other worlds. Because if a robot doesn't receive orders, it won't function.
You think a youtuber who also has a channel on history would have learned from operation barbarossa that all out aggressions doesn't work if the enemy can replace their losses much easier then you can.
Mlg Sty as if money would even be a problem since Palpatine controlled both sides and the banks.
And as we already know thanks to a certain Senate story arc in The Clone Wars, the republic was hurting for credits and resources by the middle of the war. I feel like a single suit of customized true Mandalorian style armor would have been worth easily several dozen troopers, probably even worth an entire squad of Clone Commandos.
Mace Windu: We are keepers of the peace
The Mandalorian: Weapons are part of my religion
No duh Mandalorians would be better commanders
If the tactic of the mandalorians is to just charge into battle like idiots as it is said in the video. I would certainly prefer the peacekeepers.
@@Stego1819 Dude these dude made Jedi fear them when they were a Galactic threat...let that sink in.
@@lorastra6975 source? Never heard of jedi having fear except for when the sith almost wiped them out.
@@Stego1819 If you have never heard of the Jedi having fear then you have never heard of the Mandalorian War.
@@lorastra6975 When did they have fear during that war?
Why the clone wars took years to end: Palpatine
Yes
Yep
but just was three years
Yeah even with the clones the droids would’ve fucking crushed them
Yes if dooku stuck to sith ways and betrayed palpatine after obi wan had arrived he would have likley ordered the entire navy to mobolize blowing up the strike team and the clone army and a 2 fronted blitzkrieg could be started one to seige kamino and another to lay seige coruscunt would have ended with dooku orbitally bombarding the senate building ending palpatine
Really he was fighting with strategy and finally disarms maul then decided to just charge towards him
Because the plot demanded it.
I always thought it was mail taunting him all the time and using the force to make him more angry thus more reckless.
I think it was an honour thing. Vizla and Maul basically needed to kill the other with their sabers, the other stuff was just tactical. Remember, Maul didn't force-crush him.
He could've used his wrist mounted weapons whenever he punched Maul instead…
Flamer to the face at point blank.
@@Alias_Anybody yeah it's a 1v1 fair and square fight after all
Except the whole point of the Clone Wars was to demonize and annihilate the Jedi and put the Sith on top. Hard to do that if you let the Mando'ade solve the Separatist Crisis in nothing flat ;)
ZoeMalDoran
You could use them by saying that the Mandolorians did most of the work, and the clones were also technically Mandolorians in their own right, and say that the Jedi generals lead disastrous battles when the Mandolorians and clones actually achieved things.
Make the galaxy think the Jedi are essentially useless and unneeded, and then if they attack *The Senate* like they did in Episode 3, then that gives Palpatine an excuse to execute order 66, and the galaxy wouldn’t care because after all that happens, they’d see the Jedi as nothing but a bunch of hypocritical, troublemaking, backstabbing people that needed to be “taken care of”...
And how would they solve the seperatist crisis? Economy is king and the seperatist far outclasses the gar in that category let alone the mandalorians. If plot armor did not play such a role in star wars than the cis would have steamrolled the gar in a matter of months and taken over the mandalorian home world in a night.
@@thalmoragent9344 I wouldn't call all the Clones full fledged Mandalorians. Mandalode is a culture, not simply just a people. Do you call all Asians Chinese? No.
Only a few clones could be considered Mandalorian. Commandos, Null ARCs, and the few who took to the Mandalorian culture. I wouldn't consider some Clones like Cody to be a Mandalorian given that Cody probably wouldn't be compatible to Mandalorian culture, given Cody's strict no nonsense nature. Honor to him wouldn't be a key priority like it is to a Mandalorian.
Jazz Espinosa
Well actually yeah that’s kinda what I meant, sorry for not elaborating further.
I don’t see them as all purely Mandolorian, just a few similar aspects, with a few clones (the ones you mentioned) that would actually be Mandolorian level in all the ways.
Ive not watched 1 episode of my hero academia
True, I remember that there was a video on that too.
The Seperatist should have pumped out droid after droid. The clones would still do well, but they couldn’t have held them all off for long.
You can kinda tell how Pre Viszla improved in his skills with the Darksaber every episode he was in.
That's just tv man. You don't make progress in leaps and bounds when it comes to martial arts, and canonically he's had that saber for a long time.
@@ufc990 I know. The creators just made it seem like he had more skill in the later episodes. Like he actually trained with it in between the episodes we saw him in. I mean compare the first fight we saw with him and Obi-wan to the Maul fight. Its like a night and day difference.
@@jakesaathoff1725 I agree that's what it looks like but that's just tv, I don't think they were trying to imply he's been training a bunch. It's just like in dragon ball and shizz.
Aaron Tellez-Amado sure is a good thing subject is tv and not real life isn’t it?
Usually agree with you geetsly. However, trying to supply the entire GAR with mandalorian gear would been financially impossible for the republic. They Couldn’t even afford to clone the army.
The thing is most Mandolorians had their own stockpiles of weapons and the same would go for the clones they must earn their armor and weapons
@@GrimdarkCrusader20th beskar is only minable from mandalore and its moon concordia. There is flat out not enough to arm the entire GAR.
@@robertharris6092 the thing is even in Legends not all Mandolorians had Beskar armor most had plastoid plasteel composites
True, they would have beskar and some of the more sophisticated gadgets, but i think i would have been possible for many more of them to have wrist mounted weapons and jet packs.
At most I could see Mando mercenaries supoorting a predominantly Clone or Droid army
True mandolorians = Jango, the clans, and the bois.
If you haven't, read the clone commando books, do it now!
What about Canderous?
@@FooForce7 jango & fett sounds like a store. Also boba is indeed a punk ass bitch that insulted mandolorian culture.
@@FooForce7
Only in New Canon. In Legends Jango was part of the True Mandalorians amd he went on to train Boba, and the clone commandos and Null and Alpha ARCs in the Mandalorian way before he was killed
@@ugiustuskeiserus8066 Well, according to George Lucas, he never considered Boba Fett or Jango Fett Mandalorians. Even before he sold Star wars to Disney.
@@dungeonguy88
That was when he was working on Season 2 of The Clone Wars; The Clone Wars is very different from any of the content that came before and was the beginning of the 'Legends-Canon' thing before Disney.
Thinking of clones like commandos, ARCs, and clones like Rex with Mandalorian armor is terrifying. A single commando could take out hundreds of droids even more easily.
So... actually knowing something about fighting. By what you're describing the mandos were great gladiators, maybe decent insurgents, and a horrible undisciplined mess of an army.
Individual prowess is good for the individual, it makes the individual more likely to survive. But if that individual cannot function within a larger unit then they will never have the MULTIPLIED strength of fighting alongside their comrades. Furthermore war is not a battle. Going all out provides short term gains but leaves you weak for the long grind of war.
You're right the war would have been over quick. As the mandos overextended their supply lines, exhausted their troops and failed to protect their rear from insurgencies popping up from behind they would have been absolutely dominated by the unrelenting push of CIS forces.
Modern infantrymen carry one weapon unless they are assigned a special weapon like a grenade launcher, AT-4, or machine gun. They do not have gadgets coming out of their ass. In fact if you attach too much crap to your rifle, scopes, lasers, grips, excetera you will be made fun of because you are weighing yourself down with junk that is less useful then being not fatigued at the end of your patrol due to weight. Gear whores do not do well on real patrols.
If your heavily outnumbered then going all out is your only choice. Like with the caroleans under carlous rex. You decide when to engage. You act before they can react and you break the enemy.
Nail on the head that makes them rather poor for commanding armies. The Mandalorians are far too independent of a combat force, and are more suited to skirmishers. Which is why ARC troopers are trained in Mandalorian styles of combat. They're not a standing army, but they make for one hell of strike team/distraction. I feel like they're a group that just is hyped, and no real fluff to make up said hype.
There's also the nature of the clones, as they were designed like simple drones. Some soldiers would require a longer time in the tanks, and training before seeing combat. If you were to do that, you wouldn't have an army ready for Geonosis. Hell, once they get the flight data from Obi-Wan's ship, you may not even have a cloning facility.
Agreed except about the gear. We can't carry that much gear cause it's heavy cumbersome and we have to walk a lot. Theirs is light compact and they fly if traveling past their refrigerator.
If we could have an m4 sized rifle that weight no more than an m4 with 1000 rounds, range finder, trajectory calculator, night vision, ir, multiple projectile types various explosives and a grappling hook would you still be interested in an m4?
i think the neo crusaders were the better army, and if they had neo crusader era commander it would have been quite an easy victory
Debatable the mandalorians did rather well against the old repubic etc the troops were organised not like the mess you believe them to be any you have hedi who are peacekeepers ans know nothing og military tactics etc or mandalorians who are raised since birth to be warriors and soldiers i am sure the mandalorians would do a better job the the first and second invasion of geonosis which was filled with stupid decisions by the jedi
So he shoots the lightsaber out of Darth Maul’s hand, then rushed towards him instead of just shooting him. Makes sense.
Nick that, my friend, is called Plot armor.
ViolentScorl So its called “plot armor”, when a character performs an illogical move or they have insane luck?
@@DavidKFZ It's called plot armour whenever characters survive something simply because they are important characters and can't be written out yet. Usually it's bad writing, really.
See: Rey
Rance ^This
Well if he killed him just by shooting him it wouldn't be very honorable and it would just be lame
If jedi had the same gear and fought like Mandalorens man the war would have been over quick. There was small group knights in old republic that join mandalorens and they changed the tide of many battles.
Emmanuel Morris well yeah, fuckin revan led them
Didn’t they all become sith like revan?
@@odsttrooper3724 it was before revans fall.
@@tylerflynn8820 they were captured and thrown in jail
No they would have lost 10/10 and quite easily. Assuming that palaptine isnt controlling the war the economic disadvantage that the gar had is to much for the mandalorians. Their help although possibly better than the jedis would do little in benefiting the gar.
A tactic of constant offense and "unrelenting pressure" works amazing against flesh and blood enemies with emotions and a hindered level of tactical thinking when they are distracted by attacks, but against the CIS? I think the offensive Mandalorian tactics would create flaws that constantly analyzing droids would be able to exploit.
The tactic of “unrelenting pressure” reminds me of Schlieffen plan, which failed.
@@oleksiimusiienko7326 hey it worked in 1940
Jesus Christ that fight scene was so good to watch
The first Battle of Geonosis would be the last battle of TCW if Mandalorians were in charge. I wish they were
Not really no since they would die far quicker
@@Redoren966 no really true. The Jedi were far less qualified commanders the Mandalorians would have been able to lead the clones far more efficiently than the Jedi would have been able to meaning there would be less clone casualties
@@mouse3872 1. No they weren't considering mandalorians strategy were basically just "attack until they are dead" and far more predictable which makes traps and ambushes far easier
2. No the casualties would skyrocket because they would keep attack and not care about casualties did you see the video?
@@Redoren966 that's what the jedi did though, do you even remember the movie?
I guess its kinda true because, the Sepratist would win.
"Any sort of casulties was acceptable if it brough victory" - Actually in one of the Kotor games there was a Mandalorian that wanted to kill Canderous for that mentality - because he did just that - he sacraficed his troops needlesly to win a battle a bit quicker - despite the battle being almost won already.
Quintillions of battle droids should have just rolled over everyone.
SemperFiMac77 facts
I've just done some calculations and even if each clone managed to kill 1000 droids each there would still be 99,999,999,500,000,000 droids left. Yeah at this rate every battle in the clone wars should have made the eastern front look like a holiday. The idea of the war ending in any other way that total CIS victory is laughable. In fact even with Palpatine sabotaging the war effort the droids should have just been able to smash evey republic defence with numbers alone.
Honestly even with the B1 inefficiencies they would probably win by sheer attrition and numbers
@@bengale9977 realistically droids and clones would make 0 difference the entire war would hang on who had a larger space fleet and was able to blockade important mining, industrial and city worlds of their opponent
Yep.
Correction "The pre-Clone-Wars Mandalorians were the most badass Soldiers/Warriors in the Galaxy.
Fighting like you're the only individual on the battlefield when you're not would only cause chaos for the army as a whole. Being equipped to be a 1 man army only means that you have everything you need which is always good. The big Ms are amazing warriors and fighters but i personally see nothing but positives from fighting as a unit and using Defenses tactics/strategies
Can we take a moment to appreciate how in depth analyses about Star Wars can get? It always fascinates me how much there is to talk about
republiccommando1138 Yes! That’s why SW is my favourite franchise, actually.
If you set aside the new BS stuff,of course
Technically Jar-jar would have been a better leader than the Jedi.
Probably the most effective bombad General
I mean he already failed as a general during the battle of naboo
Yeah because he's a sith lord
If only because he could somehow trip over a blaster and wipe out the entire CIS fleet.
Talks about Mando'ade
Shows dar'manda Death Watch.
Friggin heresy.
Agreed, sad how people look to DeathWatch and the Vizla clan as the Mandos
@@ugiustuskeiserus8066 Quite, Jaster Mereel and his True Mandalorians were the perfect example of what a Mandalorian should be. Hell, even Spar's Supercommando force that assisted the Separatists during the Clone Wars were an excellent example of what Mandalorians should be. And the ultimate example of the Mando'ade would be Mandalore the Preserver (Canderous Ordo)'s Mandalorians on Dxun.
@@shadekerensky3691 Damn right. Modern age Mandos should always represent the True Mandalorian philosophy. What's even more ironic is how Death Watch didn't even honor the Neo-Crusaders. Most of them were corrupt criminals who wanted to dominate the galaxy for their own power hungry needs, using the Mandalorian tradition as an excuse.
Thought he was going to talk about how the GAR should’ve been annihilated at Geonosis, and the Confederacy would’ve forced the Republic to the peace table
Mandalorians
Proving that every force user can be killed with enough fire power.
No I think order 66 proved that point way better.
@@millerrepin4452 I got some bad news for you chief, but clones are genetically mandalorian.
@@KarlPHorse thing is that the genetics of the clones were an altered version of jango and that's not counting the chip implant either.
And the training/equipment was completely different from mandilorians as well.
@@KarlPHorse *Genetically* Mandalorian means nothing. *Culturally* Mandalorian does. They're a culture, not a race. Most clones were not culturally Mandalorian.
@@KarlPHorse Meaning they were bred from the long-dead Taung race? I didn't think so.
Please make what if video about-> If Earth(Cold War era version) is in the Star Wars universe in the SWTOR game, how will the Blue Marble change the Star Wars galaxy as a whole?
It would get conquered due to huge technological disadvantage lol.
@@mlgsty8880 Maybe initially, but damn if Earthlings wouldn't play the long game with either faction. That's who we are.
@@moblinmajorgeneral can u explain this in a more detailed version? Like will we Terrans become the Star Wars humans' successors as the most deadly interstellar species or something similar?
@@pyeitme508 With an external threat that has far higher technology than the 50-60s, Terrans would drop literally everything to understand and repel whichever side was unfortunate enough to make first contact. We would forget we almost destroyed each other just because we have someone else to fear.
Peter Yim this would probably be more interesting if you put Earth(modern era) as a new system. We’d have a few tricks up out sleeves, mainly our armor and weapons.(NV, Thermal vision, guns that are more effective than most of the star wars weaponry, Tier 1 operators on the level of clone commandos, etc)
Indeed, with the Mandalorians in command, the clone wars should’ve ended pretty fast, by them needlessly sending clone troopers to the slaughter (they can’t be expected to be as skilled nor as well equipped as the mandalorians on an army scale), as an all agressive regardless of defense or casualties tactic might not have been that effective against an enemy that can rebuild troops in a matter of hours.
An all offensive strategy can work out when you have very skilled, very powerful soldiers like the Mandalorians, or a huge army of disposable peons like the CIS. The Grand Army of the Republic had neither: Their clone troopers were a balance between skill and disposability, which works fine for defensive warfare, not much so for an all agressive strategy. Not to mention the crushing superiority the CIS navy held over the Republic, which would’ve made an agressive strategy even harder to pull off as the GAR troops would have a hard time to even reach the planets they have to fight on.
And when you think about it, Palpatine wouldn’t have let the clone wars end so quickly, even if the Mandalorian tactic were to work !
Forty seconds in and my mind already jumps to "Nukes. Nukes for everyone! You get a nuke! YOU get a nuke! EVERYONE GETS NUKED!!!"
3:40 Maul : all that for a drop of blood
Excellent theory...
Until you remember that Mandalore never won any major wars against anyone bigger than a couple of systems.
"but that's just a theory! A STAR WARS THEORY!" *aand cut*
Needs a bit more ‘oomph’ to it...
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I don’t really think the Mandelorians would’ve made good commanders in the GAR. For one, I don’t think most clones would be enthusiastic about literally walking to their deaths with no questions asked. Not to mention that if the Mandelorians were in charge the republic would have to constantly be paying for more and more clones to be created!
Dude...THAT IS LITERALLY WHAT THEY DID DURING THE WAR!! Have you not watched the show?
@@lorastra6975 herg herg herg
The Clones are clones of a Mandelorian
I still really appreciate the battlefront 1 loading screens.
There really wasn't very many clones if you consider how large the galaxy was and how many droids existed to fight them.
well duh, that's because they were being produced on pitifully small island cities located on a SINGLE PLANET.
it would be more believable if the clone facilities were present on MULTIPLE planets, were more numerous, and had been training clones for some time.
Never knew your army being led by Mandalorians can magically turn 200000 clones into 2 million wich would allow a aggressive approach to actually work.
There were 1.8million clones. Perhaps more to replace the dead from the original 1.2million
Have to disagree since it had been quite awhile since Mandos were waging large full scale wars other then against other clans. As such they were better off being small units that could work independently hence the arc trooper or sorry what the arc trooper was until the clone wars just made them captains of directing units of front line troops.
Still if the CIS wasn't being sabotaged by its head then I could see them hiring warrior clans to counter the Republic arc giving them credits and allowing them to fully bring back the old way of adopt where if your prove you can be mando then you deserve a spot in a Clan. This would allow them to build their ranks more, make their clans even more battle harden, have a huge droid army to back up and hold positions they take, and create to possible options for their end goal of Mandalor with it either (a) becoming part of the Republic in the war so they take it there (b) it joins the CIS in which case they are ready to adopt a more aggressive stance which Death Watch wanted (c) it remains neutral and the CIS when they end the war negotiate with the GR that attacking neutral world would be allowed and the GR can t do anything.
Arc troopers arnt captains. They're commando teams that go behind enemy lines for dangerous missions. The clone wars never changed that.
Thats a very clever tittle. I thought you were talking about the series not the event which is why it was initially shocking and got my attention.
Hard to see the Republic's logistics being able to keep up with a Mandalorian led blitzkrieg with such a large army. Especially so early on in the war.
In the end, economics are atleast as important as the quality of the troops ... and droids are way more effective at that
Its true, but the economics arent that heavily swayed to the separatists side. THey had the advantage of a much more efficient economy, but it was also a much smaller economy. the vast majority of the galaxies industrial capacity was still in the republic, even if it didnt have the efficiency to use it. The economy of both sides was probably similar.
@@lenkagamine4145 The theoretical economic capabilities were around similar, while still being slightly in favor of the CIS.
But the actual economic capabilities were devastatingly in favor of the CIS. No contest. The leading industrial entities of the galaxies were siding with the CIS in a war that followed shortly after the outer rim experienced the greatest economic boom in the history of the galaxy up until that point in time. They had the resources, the manpower, and the facilities to churn out army after army until the planets were dead without pausing. They also had the leading scientific entities working for them. In a prolonged conflict (which isnt manipulated), the CIS would have outmanufactured and developed the GAR easily.
That clone that punched that droid went out like a boss
Was going to watch the entirety of the video until I heard him at the begging say “today we’re gonna discuss what would have happened if the mandolorians ran the GAR”
We know the answer: They would have won
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Assuming that this isnt a war planned by palpatine the cis would win 10/10 times even if the gar was ran by the mandalorians
@ZonTheDon yea no economy is king and the cis has alot of that
@ZonTheDon yea no logistics is in important but you can't even start a war at this scale without economy
@ZonTheDon The bigger the economy the more you're able to output. This is a huge advantage that the gar doesnt have when compared to the cis.
Honestly your argument is falling apart
War lessons for life: Strike while the iron is hot, winning is good, making your opponent admit that you win is better, and things are not always what they seem.
If the True Manalorians led the clones, I have a feeling Geonosis would be way more different
Just imagine the battle of Geonosis, but all the clones have jet packs and know how to use them
One issue with that: The Mandalorians were mainly pro-Separatist in Legends, and Canon only retconned this for the New Mandalorians and Death Watch. There is still another sect, the Old Mandalorians, which fill the role of the Legends era Mandalorian Protectors
I highkey always thought about how the clones were literally an army of Jango Fett and yet they were treated like fodder
"Cloned from jango fett" and "literally jango fett" are two VERY different things. Jango fett didnt become such an amazing warrior just from genetics alone (they helped, dont get me wrong) but through training and conflict as well. Only the absolutely best clones would be anywhere near comparable to him.
@@lenkagamine4145 The ARCs and Commandos.
It’s mentioned in the Books or Comics that some of the Jedi/Clone Leaders were frustrated that the war was spread out on so many front
They wanted to “smash key Separatist points” & end the war ASAP
This of course was Pappa Palpy killing off as many Jedi as possible before Order 66
weren't alot of the battles in the clone wars just battles of endurance?
the clone army was massively outnumbered to start with.
going full balls to the wall with expensive weaponry would be super costly and you would end up losing the battle anyways since you just used up all your resources for part 1 of the battle.
not to mention the republic was nearly bankrupt
I already love the clones as they are but just imagining the sheer brutality and kill focused mentality the clones would get by being led by the mandalorians would be great and in my eyes, would make them even cooler
Everyone : MaNDalOrIAns ArE SuPeRiOR
Me: weren’t they almost wiped out?😅
yeah, because they constantly fought, not because they were weak.
@@MDP1702 Incompetence is still weakness.
@@jonasalmstrom4986 And?
@@MDP1702 They were weak.
@@jonasalmstrom4986 And how did you arrive to that very detailed and argumentated outcome?
Everytime your opening plays it brings back memories of a more civilized time.
Basically anyone would have made better commanders than the jedi
Really, anyone would have better abilities than precognition, the ability to psychically direct soldiers through battle meditation, and the ability to just sense if something is going wrong without knowing? None of those have *any* strategic value?
@@lenkagamine4145 Maybe you have a point, but there's a difference between having those abilities and knowing how to use them. High-value consultants/advisers/VIP's maybe, but not commanders
Ah yes, General Gonk
@@LukeSkywalker-fm1dc But they where Jedi individuals which end up being good commanders. (Revan for one)
@@ErpegowyZelek True, but from Canon (well, Legends at this point) lore I always got the impression they're the exception, rather than the rule.
About the causalities. That explain why they got almost wiped out .
could force users (for instance Luke Skywalker) rid the presence of a force ghost (like obiwans force ghost) or even kill one?
Luke Byers in the force unleashed lord starkiller fought obiwans ghost and beat it but it never told if it was killed or not
If they follow sw tor rules then yes.
Noek it’s obvious looking at what’s cannon or not is nonsense it can mostly all fit in where ever you want except the stuff after return of the Jedi
@@spyorgclubbord9520 ya post rotj is all gone makes sense considering the actors. Some other stuff is as well like the mainline star wars comic that happens right after ep4 it changes a bit what the rebels and Empire did after the the Death Star 1 destruction.
So unless they create new canon just look at the old.
You don't need the Force, you use a specialised equipment.
To contain the Force Ghost you need proton weaponry, note that a proton torpedo is not practical, instead a backpack mounted proton beam weapon is used.
Called a proton pack it fires a continuous proton beam that can snare a Force Ghost in place while a Muon trap is placed to capture the Force Ghost.
The Force Ghost is then placed in a containment unit where it is held indefinitely.
Oh and whatever you do when firing multiple proton packs, _don't cross the streams…_
Mandalorian Bounty Hunters may have operated solo but groups of mercenaries or trained Armies would operate together and form cohesive units. You can’t operate in a large group otherwise.
one of the big issues with the clone army is that they were all HEAVILY altered, mostly in ways that made them far less effective as combatants. they weren't so much clones as made-to-spec production items with the original determining baseline quality. basically about as close to the dumber types of droids as you can get and still made of squishy.
also doesn't help that they were quite literally made-to-fail so there'd be a power vacuum in their wake.
Imagine if Jango met Pre vizla after the Mandalorian Civil war, what if Jango and Pre Vizla met and fought, and Jango would kill Vizla and take the dark Sabre along with Mandalore.
I really enjoyed the video. I really think it’s subjective IMO. A lot of the tactics used in Star Wars seems representative of what happened in WW1. I don’t think the Mandos would have made great commanders of Army groups. I do think they would have made great leaders of a special forces group In specialized units with specific training. I believe they could be a force multiplier in that regard.
Learning about them in kotor 1&2 was awesome
Funny how 1 of his story explain how he met Yuzaang Vongs
0:23 ok, who remembers the movie rocketeer? Looks eerily similar
And then there's Revan. The Jedi that steamrolled over the mandalorian war machine.
7:46 Was that game theory reference??
Martin Skjelbred Røyse yeah
“Heres a clip of Visla fighting Maul”
*shows entire fight*
😂 that was one of the best fights in the franchise tho
Yeah I agree had the mandalorians led the GAR the CIS would have been easily wiped out.
Another reason Palpatine would not have had the Mandalorians lead the GAR is because they are far to independent and would have resisted his rule. This can actually be shown in the old EU when a lot of the specialized units like the Arc Troopers and Commando's trained by the Mandalorians either saw through Palpatines deception and refused to execute Order 66 or saw the order to just be wrong and refused it and a lot of them also deserted the Empire after it took over and went to Mandalore itself and some even saved jedi and took them to Mandalore. And this was because of the influence of Mandalorian culture and the Mandalorians themselves urging the soldiers to be independent and think.
Now imagine if the entire GAR was like that, it wouldn't exactly work to well for Palpatine especially if the Mandalorians turned on Palpatine.
In the later parts of the Clone War novels, The Jedi turned Mando said to his Mando brother.
Most of the best Mandos were in fact Force Sensitive. Their Force Talents were to the physical abilities of Enhance Ability Str/ Dex and Battle Mind to improve their combat skills, natural Force development competing against life.
Maybe some sixth sense in relating in being ambushed .
Me: *Sees title of this video*
Me: Oh boy.... Another video on "why the endless masses of robot fire ants under Dooku's command would have annihilated the Republic forces and conquered the Galaxy in no time were it not for Palpatine"... *Sigh*
Jango Fett and every Mandalorian: Now let us tell you why that's bullshit...
Me: *Watches video*
Me: A surprise to be sure but welcome one indeed.
Not bullshit. Economic power in war is king and with no plot armor (sidious) to hold both sides down the cis would walk over the gar mandalorian or not.
@@ivenotwatched1episodeofnar71 Good point. The Mandalorian Zerg Rush that Geetsly's described could easily backfire. I'm starting to question why Palpatine thought it was a good idea to let the Confederacy get so powerful that if the Confederacy got free of his manipulation that he'd have no hope of winning the war conventionally.
Perhaps Palapatine should have focused on turning the Confederacy into his perfect Death Star dictatorship and curb stomp the Republic so hard that the Rebel Alliance would never be able to rise to challenge his droid empire...
@@gabrielmcbride8503 Yea the zerg rush is a terrible strategy especially seeing how the cis used a similar tactic of overwhelming the gar.
Plot is why the cis wouldnt become free of the manipulation so we can call bs on that.
I do agree that palpatine should have focused with the cis and made it his own instead of using the clones. He would have been nigh impossible to beat the industrial output is terrifying. In legends there were a quintillion active droids thats 18 zeroes and thats only active its not counting the casualties and inactive ones.
@@ivenotwatched1episodeofnar71 Though, I also wonder how the war would have turned out if the Republic built their own droid army to be the bulk of their troops while clones remained the elite troops. In such a scenario, it would put the Condederacy's industrial output against the Republic's, and I've seen it debated both ways who had the greater output. Plus, Jedi or Mandalorians leading an army of modern versions of KoToR's Sentinel Droids against the CIS would just be pure awesomeness!
Madalorians: we fight to the last man! We fight to win no matter what!
Space marine: that's cute!
7:30 Could I have a link to that image?
For a galaxy wide conflict, they did end very fast..
That’s why the ARKs were so good, they actually trained mandalorian tatics
They were considered one man armies in and of themselves
True born ARCs, sure. But I doubt the ARCs that were promoted to that position were trained much in Mandalorian tactics.
@@Currumpaw well in legends clones were never promoted to arc class, or really promoted in general
@@IsaiahINRI Rex? He's a CT instead of a CC
@@Currumpaw legends
Nice to see that you added images of Mandalorian MERCs in this video.
I would love to see Disney do a series on this theory.
A whole series of "what if's"
But it would probably be a bit too dark for kids TV and it would have to be animated due to actors aging ect.
Disney won't work with "Legends" ideas and they certainly won't waste time with 'what ifs?'
There's not enough beskar in the galaxy to equip every clone with even a pauldron of beskar...
The CIS still would have had a better fleet.
Having a better fleet doesn't mean experience my man.
@@lorastra6975 In a Sci-fi realistically a fleet is the most important part of the military, as theoretically you can just bombard any army from space (assuming you don't care about civilian casualties). To give a non-Star Wars example, the UNSC from Halo routinely won ground battles, but lost almost every space battle and thus would have lost the war. The CIS is considered to have the best fleet of all the 4 main factions (Though the og New Republic probably would have given them one heck of a fight) with the Republic losing space battles so badly in the early parts of the war they avoided them as much as they could. Mandalorians can't do anything if they can't even get to the ground in the first place.
@@knightiafletcher and without a good military on the ground guarding with shields and cannons that is design to destroy space fleets that come too close is better and cheaper too. Not to mention who ever controls the gound battles controls the resources that funds the entire military including the navy. Even if the CIS had better fleets it's pointless if they can't get the resources to fund and build them if all the worlds are captured by ground forces that setup anti space fleet cannons on the surface which means that the CIS needs to send down a invasion force in order to knock out the ground forces' shields and cannons before the fleet can close onto the planet.
@@vexingrabbit1824 Did you miss my entire point? A good ground military can be bombarded from the air/from space, doesn't matter how good of a soldier you are when the bombs start dropping. And if in defense, any transports are going to get shredded by superior CIS fleets and fighters. And the Republic couldn't even afford the Clones to begin with (they went bankrupt by the Mid-war), do you seriously think they could have afforded Mandolorian Mercenaries and equipment as well. The CIS had a much better economy, then went with the cheaper but far more numerous army, while having a much better fleet. Remember they lost because they were supposed to and thus were deliberately sabotaged by Palpatine, not because their military sucked.
@@knightiafletcher Yes the carpet bombardment can be really affective, but at the same time can be a useless waste of money. The bombs destroys the surface. So if the Droid army would act like you said they just destroy everything on the surface of the planet meanwile the clone army would dig in deep, use caves and stuff. I mean the republic flee distracts the most of the Separatist flee. And during that the ground forces could make themself safe from bombs.
Serously no offense but the clone army did not suck either. And for real at the end, both army got destroyed.
The droid army got turned off and the clones got turned into idiot stormtrooper like soldiers, no thinking jus following the orders.
(Sry for bad English)
1. At the time mandalor was in a time of peace and those warriors were outlaws as well as the system wasn’t republic allied
2. The mandolorians lost their war with the Jedi and unless you are a very powerful mandolarian, you will lose to a Jedi
3. The chandelier was playing both sides and he was the reason the war dragged out so long
4. If it was any other sith against visla I believe he would have lost. Mual was trained to be a dualist but had he used the force in ways a Jedi would have then visla would have never stood a chance
Why not just have all arcs as they are stronger than most of the true mandalorians
Arcs were basically best of the best. The elite.
You dont Breed that kind of skill.
Thats like saying why doesnt America just replace their whole military with SEALS.
Equipment, genes, and training. Simply there wouldn't be enough time and resources to make the whole republic army be ARC
@@matiasaguilar2500 even with all the training, it wouldnt be the same.
Sebastian Aguilera Fernandez not to mention doing those stuff under a war to would be difficult
@@Crip99763 i mean, clones were bread and trained before the war, so i wouldn't say that
The war had to drag out to let Sidious take over. Only by making it look bad/close could he do that and some major victories early would have let the council free to say no to the extra powers he acquired when the threat seemed greater than it was. Case of point the great number of reserves(literally millions) that showed up later when he had consolidated the power.
If Mandos ran the GAR, Grievous would’ve been a minor threat. The Confederacy would’ve fallen easily within a year the max 2-3.
The clone wars only lasted three years.
The Confederacy would've fallen, but you underestimate Grievous. Twenty strikes per second and strength/speed that no living being could match are beyond the skill even of most Mandalorians to defeat.
Karl Rovey ah my bad. For some reason I keep remembering it as 4 years. Idk why
General Grievous1138 so you’re entire army of Mandos themselves fighting Grievous wouldn’t change anything? They can see a upcoming threat and would’ve immediately tracked him, found his weaknesses and stopped him or killed him. He was the General of the Confederacy but he want immune. They wouldn’t have let him build his reputation which in part made him so deadly. Mandos fought Sith and Jedi alike and Grievous was neither.
Gh0st 1024 This isn't about an army of Mandos, it's a group of Mandos leading an army of Mando-trained clones. Mandalorians weren't all-powerful, no more than the Jedi were. And while Grievous wasn't either, he was considerably more powerful than any Mandalorian.
I am certain Jango was an actual Mandalorian in the canon version despite what the New Mandalorian government said about him, of course, the peace lovers would insist he was not a Mandalorian despite being from one of their plants, wearing their kind of armor, using their tactics and weapons, and was on their skill level.
What would happen if the GAR had Commanders like Thrawn and Veers?
Whoa. I juat realized they reused the white armor concept boba fett armor for Mandalorians in the show. Neat.
Mandalorian casualty count: Yes
As a general, not a lower officer like a Lt or Cpt, you don't lead from the battle front you cannot make any front/theater-wide strategic plan if you're in the middle of fighting the enemy especially with basically melee weapon you're too busy and you're distracted to think, plan and communicate anything in the middle of battle. Jedi just ran into battle basically unkillable expecting clones to somehow block/dodge/deflect the lasers too. If not this they really practiced the idea that clones are expendable but any asset in battle is an asset. This is why they had high casualties and were crap leaders.
Have you read the Republic Commandos novels by Karen Traviss? They're a fantastic deep dive into the effect that Mandalorians had on the GAR. At least, until it was retconned into "Legends" obscurity.
People always say how "If the CIS was playing for keeps, they'd overwhelm the GAR and crush them." Well they should watch this, even an army of trillions of droids need to abide by logistics.
I enjoyed the star wars battlefront tribute intro loading screen sounds. very nicely done. goat star wars game next to kotor I think.
the jedi genocied the mandalorians twice the empire too
An army of 600 million Clone Commandos from Delta Squad. A glorious sight to behold.
I think things would've been more like how NULL squad was, basically being Kal's (who is a Mandalorian) personal army, but instead of everyone being under one person they would be ordered just by there commander who would most likely take orders from someone higher. although they listened to Kal Skirata because he saved them, it still might be somewhat like that
The problem with Mandalorian command: they were experts in unconventional, small scale operations, however, in a big combined arms war, heavily relying on strong rear and industry, naval dominance, rate of casualty replenishment and so on, the best possible solution was to hire generals from big mercenary armies (like Ailonians) or high ranking officers from the armed forces of member states of the Republic (for example, men like admiral Jullaren to be put in charge of the military). Jedi could be used a small, elite, task force or be removed completely.
I feel like this was a possibility, with mandalorian bounty hunters acting as trainers for clones, but Palpatine wanted a long drawn out conflict with ineffective leaders who had no idea how to lead armies, so the public would hate the jefi for all the chaos of the war
This video was dope. I’d like to see more content like this in the future! Thanks man!
In an alternate timeline, there is a Darth Sidious who made the Mandalorians the GAR commanders with Jedi "Advisers"
And a disappointed disembodied spirit of Darth Plagious asking "What were you honestly expecting" when they end up winning the war before the second half of the first shipment of clone troopers even arrived.
Great video! One thing that came to mind, though, is that a lot of what was discussed in the videe relies on the psychological aspect of Mandalorian warfare tactics (i.e. keeping pressure on the enemy so It can't Focus; be bbrutal and disrupt their morale and etc...). However, the CIS was comprised of mostly droids, which can't feel emotios (thus, unnafected by psychological warfare) and are able to react/adapt much quicker to Mandos changes on tactic than organic oponents (excluding force users). So, in a Sense, parte of what made Mandalorian so effective warriors against organic armies would be useless against the CIS. What are yout thought on that?
Everyone: clones vs storm troopers.
Me: mandalorians.