Infiray P2 Pro smartphone thermal camera review & teardown

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  • A look at the Infiray P2 Pro thermal camera.
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  • @bigclivedotcom
    @bigclivedotcom ปีที่แล้ว +22

    That looks really good.

  • @bigclivedotcom
    @bigclivedotcom ปีที่แล้ว +37

    The temptation was too much. I ordered one.

    • @foobarturkey
      @foobarturkey ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Oh dang! I better hurry up and order mine before you make a video about it and drive up the price 😅

    • @jensharbers6702
      @jensharbers6702 ปีที่แล้ว

      Felt that same urge and ordered one too.

    • @casemodder89
      @casemodder89 ปีที่แล้ว

      y'all will be pleased with this tiny device !

    • @mattwuk
      @mattwuk ปีที่แล้ว

      Video imminent then Clive?

    • @bigclivedotcom
      @bigclivedotcom ปีที่แล้ว +3

      @@mattwuk I'm sure it'll make an appearance.

  • @Spirit532
    @Spirit532 ปีที่แล้ว +19

    I worked with a Tiny1-C(same module, no flex, more densely integrated) before it was released, and the preproduction devboard it came with is *really* similar to the P2.
    The sensor module has SPI(in some versions), I2C, UART, and a regular parallel digital output(DVP). The Realtek chip is literally just a DVP to UVC hardware interface used for generic webcams as well.
    Their cores are a pleasure to work with, very intelligently designed.

  • @jorno1994
    @jorno1994 ปีที่แล้ว +117

    Sample Text

    • @mahir7h
      @mahir7h ปีที่แล้ว +15

      @@NeungView it's a reference to the overlaid text at the 6.5min mark

    • @jorno1994
      @jorno1994 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@NeungView nope

    • @Drakoman07
      @Drakoman07 ปีที่แล้ว

      6:19

    • @StephenBoyd21
      @StephenBoyd21 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      Stock answer

    • @deepfakestudio7776
      @deepfakestudio7776 ปีที่แล้ว

      sample answer to the sample text

  • @sugnaangus
    @sugnaangus ปีที่แล้ว +11

    What did you want to say at 6:26? "Sample Text"

  • @AureliusR
    @AureliusR ปีที่แล้ว +60

    SAMPLE TEXT

    • @Phoen1x883
      @Phoen1x883 ปีที่แล้ว +9

      Mike and Sample Text - name a more iconic duo.

    • @somethingorother5782
      @somethingorother5782 ปีที่แล้ว +6

      @@Phoen1x883 Lorem Ipsum and Deez Nuts

    • @timobreumelhof88
      @timobreumelhof88 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      {{TH-cam.Reply}}

    • @yanikkunitsin1466
      @yanikkunitsin1466 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Snotty comment

    • @AureliusR
      @AureliusR ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@yanikkunitsin1466 What are you talking about? Did you even watch the video?

  • @thermaljiang6437
    @thermaljiang6437 ปีที่แล้ว +9

    Great video, hope you can do a comparision video with flir, seek, etc, so people can choose the right model

  • @JensAndree
    @JensAndree ปีที่แล้ว +7

    Cheers for a great in depth review Mike! Looks way better than dito FLIR dongle cam addon, and the 24 fps feature sold me right away after the frustration of handheld lagfest whilst searching for hot components on a tightly populated pcb with all tiny components gets me every time...
    If this is an early-ish version where they've spent most of the time doing the hardware perhaps we can expect some nice app updates in a near future addressing the things you pointed out here for starters?!
    I can see this causing some headaches for Seek Thermal, FLIR etc purely on the fps feature alone since that will easily drive sales. Also being more compact and less in the way whilst troubleshooting stuff. Saw below that someone just bought one at aliexpress for £175 shipped to UK including VAT - if the fps and size didn't sell it, the price surely will since any similar device made in EU or USA with that framerate would probably set you back a grand, if not more?! Never really checked since it's way outside my hobbyist budget for something I use rarely...
    Again, cheers for the review and fantastic tip!

  • @lauram5905
    @lauram5905 ปีที่แล้ว +12

    It was cute watching the chiplets in the Pi heat up, like watching valve/tube heaters kick in and start emitting thermions.

  • @douro20
    @douro20 ปีที่แล้ว +6

    Infiray seems to have really been cornering the market for high-performance thermal imaging sensors lately. I believe they were the first Chinese company to commercialise a 1920x1080 sensor, and they recently introduced what they say is the first 8-micron pixel thermal imager.

  • @GadgetAddict
    @GadgetAddict ปีที่แล้ว +4

    The resolution and framerate looks great compared to similar devices.
    I guess they can't do the dual-camera overlay like flir, because of the patent.

    • @sarowie
      @sarowie ปีที่แล้ว +3

      no. the patent is expiring and you can work around the wording.
      The issue is that if you don't know the distance of the cameras, how can you align the pictures?

    • @kwinzman
      @kwinzman ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@sarowie How expensive would it be to put a cheap RGB camera alongside the thermal camera? 10 USD? Maybe it's still patent(s?) why it's not done.

    • @sarowie
      @sarowie ปีที่แล้ว

      @@kwinzman sure, the cheap rgb camera is cheap - now you need to precisely align it, so that both axis look in the same direction. If the two cameras squint even a few degrees of axis, you have a mess on any distance. Then splice the video stream "somehow". You could do an internal USB-Hub, but that is expensive and huge. You could create a jumbo frame with both - now you sync two cameras and need an FPGA or Microcontroller with serious memory just to compose the images. Note that when done right, the IR-Module never actually has a full image - you need to chop the video into packets "eitherway", so why waste memory and at time delay just to...? Yeah, much easier and faster to store the ADC results just in the packet buffer and send the packet on its way when its time.
      Also note the lack of polish in this product and details like the app. Mike does not mind them, but they are there. Now make that with the overlay technology and it becomes the opposite of helpful as the pictures annoyingly only align when freshly user calibrated (for that specific distance), but the user calibrate button glichtes out regurlaly, so you don`t want to user calibrate... so you switch it off and wonder about the waste of space of an RGB camera, when the smartphone cameras are so much better "eitherway".

  • @padaginskis
    @padaginskis 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

    Best review I've seen so far

  • @zavis506
    @zavis506 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    rom home security to outdoor adventures, it seems like the perfect tool to have in various situations. Its compact size is a huge plus too, making it incredibly portable and easy to take with you wherever you go.

  • @dimitar4y
    @dimitar4y ปีที่แล้ว +9

    using the camera to "get correct temperature" for hot air desoldering.. now THAT's clever.

  • @kuro68000
    @kuro68000 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Thanks, been waiting for a decent review of one of these for electronics.

  • @nagi603
    @nagi603 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    12:20 you can also see the PCB traces too! Also, the cam is built-in a new-ish dogee phone too. Bigclive made a recent video about it.

  • @richardhalliday6469
    @richardhalliday6469 ปีที่แล้ว +7

    The specs and performance look pretty good, I've just ordered one off AliExpress, it includes the clip on macro lens and the same poor storage bag. The price today, there's a bit of a deal on, is £ 175 shipped here to the UK
    including the 20% vat add on.

  • @jan.tichavsky
    @jan.tichavsky ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Good find, now I know what I will buy myself for Christmas.

  • @naomi10260
    @naomi10260 ปีที่แล้ว +12

    Sample Text

  • @electronbox
    @electronbox ปีที่แล้ว +9

    An AliExpress seller is using this vid for marketing, so it must be a good review.

  • @1710000huh
    @1710000huh ปีที่แล้ว +5

    Glad you uploading new stuff

  • @kwinzman
    @kwinzman ปีที่แล้ว +8

    I mean thermal camera apps really, really need to be open source. That I can't fix those small clunkyness problems with the UI myself really is a dealbreaker. I wonder when those companies will learn that the way to sell their cameras is to have usuable, open apps.

    • @iaadsi
      @iaadsi ปีที่แล้ว +5

      It's just a regular UVC camera so any video player will work. The only thing extra is a few lines of pixels in the bottom of the frame that encode metadata like temperature ranges etc.

    • @StormBurnX
      @StormBurnX ปีที่แล้ว +1

      I'd have to pick up this one specifically to test but OpenCam and HedgeCam are both really great for supporting wacky/unusual cameras, due to being forks of each other.
      Specifically, on a Pixel 4 I have laying around, I'm able to access the infrared front-facing face detection camera whenever I wish - not quite as handy as a true thermal camera, let alone one that can be flipped around when needed, but it's still a handy thing!

    • @itsevilbert
      @itsevilbert ปีที่แล้ว

      It is probably a USB 2.0 device, if it is, it will not be long until someone plugs one into a "GreatFET One" and fully reverse engineers everything that the application does and creates an open source application.

    • @ColHogan-zg2pc
      @ColHogan-zg2pc ปีที่แล้ว

      Because their job is creating the device and making it functional. It's not worth their time to make the UX wonderful, but you can do that for others if you want.

  • @Muonium1
    @Muonium1 ปีที่แล้ว +6

    18:00 ...bruh.... don't you have like an entire automatic element identifying x-ray fluorescence spectrometer in your garage from ebay?? 🤣

  • @Henrik229
    @Henrik229 ปีที่แล้ว +8

    I bought myself one because of your review and I'm very happy with the camera. It works great for electronics repair. Resolution on long range is OK but not exceptional

    • @AureliusR
      @AureliusR ปีที่แล้ว

      I am interested in getting one too, but they're about $360CAD on Amazon. Where did you buy yours?

    • @jensharbers6702
      @jensharbers6702 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      @@AureliusR And it's worth it. I bought mine via AliExpress.

    • @BlondieSL
      @BlondieSL ปีที่แล้ว +2

      @@AureliusR Just a suggestion. If you can buy it from Amazon where it's FULFILLED by Amazon, I'd suggest do that rather than Aliexpress. I've read so many reviews on Aliexpress talking about hos difficult that their support is to deal with, especially for proven FAKE/CLONED garbage.
      With Amazon, as long as FULFILLED BY AMAZON, it's easy to get any problems resolved.
      if it's "sold and shipped" by the seller, PERSONALLY, I never buy. The rules are different when something is shipped by the seller as compared to FULFILLED by Amazon.
      Just a suggestion.

  • @queazocotal
    @queazocotal ปีที่แล้ว +6

    You need to know background scene temperature if emissivity is not 1, because if emissivity is 0.5, 50% of the IR light from the object is coming from the background and does not reflect the objects temperature. (total IR = emissivity*temperatureK^4+(1-emissivity(reflectivity)*backgroundtempK^4) Fortunately, a lable, or splash of more or less any paint or grease or tape gets you to emissivity 1, and that's almost always the better way.

  • @N0gtail
    @N0gtail ปีที่แล้ว +5

    I've got a HT 301 which is pretty much a InfiRay T3 in a different enclosure. I think it uses the UVC zoom control for setting palettes and stuff. When connected to a PC there are a couple of rows of pixels at the bottom which appear to contain data from the camera. Maybe this one operates in a similar way? Hopefully the US removes their framerate restriction for thermal cameras. I wouldn't even consider buying a camera from a US manufacturer at the moment when you can get 3x the frame rate at half the cost from China.

  • @emilysmith2403
    @emilysmith2403 ปีที่แล้ว +6

    nice one! very useful video. I'm ready to buy p2pro for its price. I think it's enough for me.

    • @BlondieSL
      @BlondieSL ปีที่แล้ว +1

      If you do electronics work, you might wan to consider something that has 2 cams built in. The thermal element and a actual video element so that the video can be superimposed over the thermal image.
      For electronics, this makes identifying SMD components so much easier.

  • @robdavy4468
    @robdavy4468 ปีที่แล้ว +8

    Do you have any shots of it showing things further away?
    Could you use it to show heat leakage on a house for example?

    • @mikeselectricstuff
      @mikeselectricstuff  ปีที่แล้ว +7

      yes, works fine at longer distances

    • @robdavy4468
      @robdavy4468 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@mikeselectricstuff awesome! Wasn't sure if the short focal distance would be a problem

  • @scellyyt
    @scellyyt ปีที่แล้ว +1

    That's an incredibly little thing, it seems like it'd be very useful for thermal measurements through small gaps in walls or something like that.

  • @krisingto2089
    @krisingto2089 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    high power thermal imager, perfect for home DIYer.

  • @eddekruif
    @eddekruif ปีที่แล้ว +4

    This P2pro is much better than so many other cell phone thermal imaging cameras on the market. But it is too low-profile. There are not many videos of relevant reviews that can be found online. Thank you for making such a great video!

  • @Myke1576
    @Myke1576 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Awesome camera! Thanks for the thorough review

  • @Nuyoah-yz
    @Nuyoah-yz 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    This brand of equipment is really excellent

  • @geekmystique
    @geekmystique ปีที่แล้ว +4

    Have owned the T2L for half a year now. Great piece of hardware and the adjustable lens allows you to go in really close if needed. The 25 frame rate changes everything, you can just intuitively point it around. I am not worried too much about the software support long-term because in the end it outputs UVC video which will allow any program to at least read the output. It is not the most precise but for PCB or home insulation sleuthing these things don't have competition.

  • @tomsixsix
    @tomsixsix ปีที่แล้ว +4

    12:13 - on an old Pi 3 using a thermal camera you can see each of the 4 cores in the CPU doing things. It's very cool (or hot!) - sadly the metal case of the Pi 4 CPU makes this difficult now

  • @GadgetReviewVideos
    @GadgetReviewVideos ปีที่แล้ว

    Mince review. goos seeing you again. I just finally picked one of these up since I had the original FLIR one for iPone. the big clunky one with the manual shutter calibration and they stopped supporting in with an app update. It did its thing for 8 years but it was time for an update.

  • @publicmail2
    @publicmail2 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    I just got the T2S+ and use the xtherm app which is a different app then you are using? The T2S+ is 256x192 with adj built in macro lens infinity to less then 1". I waiting years for these to get better and for price to come down, these by far are better then seek or the bad design of FLIR built in battery.

  • @agenericaccount3935
    @agenericaccount3935 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    Leave it to the state department to have a framerate cap lmao

  • @Ghost5643
    @Ghost5643 ปีที่แล้ว +8

    Just FYI, the camera also works with the TOPDOM TC001 Software. Both Android and Windows. They seem to use the same sensor module.

  • @hempbear
    @hempbear ปีที่แล้ว +7

    Does it require mandatory registration?

  • @danbarb9728
    @danbarb9728 ปีที่แล้ว +6

    what on earth happend with the lens of that thing? Is that moisture under the lens or scratches? Or damaged coating?

    • @matgeezer2094
      @matgeezer2094 ปีที่แล้ว

      Yeah was that too. it didn't look good

    • @matgeezer2094
      @matgeezer2094 ปีที่แล้ว

      Yeah saw that too I meant to say

  • @Leif_YT
    @Leif_YT ปีที่แล้ว +12

    When it comes to thermal cameras the products from Chinese companies really seem to offer by far the most for the price. Infiray, Qianli Super Cam....so many nice companies that offer thermal cams with higher resolutions, much better framerates, closer focusing distances and even the software is often better. Their software might have flaws too, but just for a little comparison. I'm currently using a Flir One Pro which is worse in all the points above and cost much more. The Flir doesn't work on the PC and their App had for about 9 months a bug where half of the menu wasn't accessible because it was off the screen on most recent phones. It took me about 2-3 weeks to finally find a way to contact the Flir support for a bug report because their ticket system didn't let me log in and all provided eMail addresses were dead or just replied to their non working ticket system. But even after reporting such a massive bug it took months to fix it....together with a new product they try to sell. It was my first and last Flir.
    Happy to see that these days we can get something much better for the money. Looking forward to an upgrade.

    • @bskull3232
      @bskull3232 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      From my experience with quite a few cameras, I found only the FLIR ones can read temperature with any accuracy. The Chinese offerings and Seek both fail to read temperatures within even 5C of accuracy, sometimes off by more than 10C. They are good tools for finding shorting spots, but not good for radiometry. I know how to handle different emissivity, and I've received some proper radiometry training, the cameras just aren't accurate enough. I use a T3Pro from Infiray, and for what I do with it it is capable enough, but if you want concrete numbers, forget about it. I only use it to make sure my SOT883 transistors don't explode, and for that teeny tiny size I need a high resolution camera with a refocusable lens, hence the 384*288 camera. But I would be fooling myself if I cared about absolute accuracy. I only need to know if it is =175C. Any error within the gap is fine for me.

    • @casemodder89
      @casemodder89 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      @@bskull3232 i cant say that over my P2 pro.
      i played a lot with it and even could monitor a slightly raised body temperature on my forehead of 38.2°C when i got the flu a week ago vers. 36-36.6°C normal.
      i'd call that super precise for a non prosumer product.

    • @bskull3232
      @bskull3232 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@casemodder89 Good for you. Maybe mine are zebras. After all I didn't have tens of them, just a few. Most of mine measure body temp in north of 40C. That being said, I live in the north and the ambient here is cold, so the cameras tend to read higher than true temp. If your ambient is closer to the object being measured, you will get better accuracy.

    • @jensharbers6702
      @jensharbers6702 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@bskull3232 Well, I can't confirm that either. Of course, thermal imaging won't getting accurate unless you are in the high 3 or 4 figure price range. There the sensors are usually compenasted for temperature changes and drift. Also: Emissivity is a great factor. I Usually use .95 for the most daily stuff, when I want to d accurate then I need to set the factor accuratly, then the results are pretty accurate.
      (I tested that on my 3D printer, I installed a separate thermal probe, used a matte tape and tested it with 70 degrees C of temp). 1-2C's difference is to be expected, with no account for emissivity 5C are possible, or even more, but usually a thermal camera is used to spot faults, defects or thermal bridges, rarely I've seen those to get used for referencing temperatures.
      In my expierience with also some higher end FLIR's, it's mostly user error. Also: The pricepoint.

    • @bskull3232
      @bskull3232 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@jensharbers6702 Cheap cameras have single point temperature compensation sensor. When the camera is being warmed up or being cooled down, the compensation temp is not lens temp, thus the compensation can be thrown off by a few deg C, that's a major source of error. If you pull a camera out of your pocket into the cold winter air, you will find it being quite inaccurate for the first few minutes. Unfortunately, I don't do thermal imaging for a living, I only use it sparsely when I have to, so they never get to be properly warmed up or cooled down to reach thermal equilibrium.

  • @IanScottJohnston
    @IanScottJohnston ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Really like it, might just have to grab one, my old Flir C2 has been looking to retire for a while.

  • @aserta
    @aserta ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Try different R-pi emulators to see if the camera works properly or not. IMO, by seeing how this camera behaves overall, all the issues it has are in software. The hardware seems pretty on point.

  • @labiadh_chokri
    @labiadh_chokri ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Nice video, I'm still using the thermal camera of my cat s60 phone, I hope they mass produce these camera sensores so they become cheap and affordable.

    •  ปีที่แล้ว +2

      These are already affordable in any professional case. You get your ROI in a month or two, tops!
      We covered you last thermal camera in one mont just because diagnosing some computers took ten seconds instead of ten minutes or two hours.

  • @NickNorton
    @NickNorton ปีที่แล้ว +13

    Appreciate everything you post has minimal preamble and straight to the point.
    No need to say: "Don't forget to like and subscribe"
    With interesting posts. You don't need to be told silly things like "Don't forget to like and subscribe"
    Thanks Mike. Interesting product.

  • @fredflintstone1
    @fredflintstone1 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    great little thermal camera for about £250, and really nice complete Review🙂

  • @Tgspartnership
    @Tgspartnership ปีที่แล้ว +4

    That's fascinating to see your Pi booting up

  • @josoffat7649
    @josoffat7649 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    if you had the camera looking behind you, image flip would make the horizontal config proper, left= left right=right 👍

  • @notsonominal
    @notsonominal ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Thats pretty cool, have been getting pretty fed up with the seek software lately - if these guys put some more effort into the app I'm ready to switch!

  • @chemarytech
    @chemarytech ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Wow thank you for the tear down! I own one and I'm tempted to open it to see the internals but it's my first thermal sensor and I don't want to ruin it.

  • @arekx
    @arekx ปีที่แล้ว +2

    There are at least 3 different PC windows apps for it. You can ask infiray for one, other are on internet.

  • @TzOk
    @TzOk ปีที่แล้ว +2

    There is also an InfiRayGo app, which will work with this P2 Pro camera. Worth trying it.

  • @fredfred2363
    @fredfred2363 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    I've tried to buy from the manufacturer, but failed. I even tried my agent in Shanghai... no luck.
    Not sure that they really are available yet

  • @davelowe1977
    @davelowe1977 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Rts58 *03* is a USB camera controller / transceiver.

  • @wither8
    @wither8 ปีที่แล้ว +8

    That stupid fucking ITAR limitation is bypassable for anyone who's motivated enough to. Reps got what remains to be the best deal out there (that sterling cooler based InSb (MCT ?) insanely fast sampling/high res cam from Teledyne). Those image caps he got of his CNC doing chip evacuation, incredible research potential. Cool that this comes with a barlow lens for macro work to work on boards
    Edit: that probably just talks via CSI [camera-serial-interface? I duno, been a while since I looked at the standards, they're probably at revision 2 or 3 now. Also, you could probably hook up a peltier cooler and get a reasonably okay decrease in quantization noise

    • @donaldasayers
      @donaldasayers ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Wot?

    • @wither8
      @wither8 ปีที่แล้ว +5

      ​@@donaldasayers ITAR is what the fedzz limit devices like FLIR to 9fps or whatever. Reps is Marco Reps, a youtuber who does interesting projects.
      @mikeselectricstuff rts5822 is ..well, exactly what you speculated. Put in Realtek rts and you'll find they're usb camera controllers. The 5822 has BIST and some interesting filters.
      That ASIC is almost certainly not dev'd in-house since it looks like they etched the markings off. My guess is at most it's customized with IP softcores bought from the-usual-suspects then contracted out for something like a 50k unit run as a structured ASIC or SoC. If you want to get meta, ask them for another unit so you can analyze this unit. It could literally just be a Zync 9000 or whatever

    • @luizoctaviomartini8174
      @luizoctaviomartini8174 ปีที่แล้ว

      I read some of the datasheet for the sensor, if I'm not mistaken it's a 8 bit interface....

  • @ryanmi4123
    @ryanmi4123 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Nice review in details....I am kinda wanna buy one

  • @KallePihlajasaari
    @KallePihlajasaari ปีที่แล้ว +2

    There should be a standard IR camera API already so that we could have a best of breed Open-source viewing software starting to mature.

    • @KallePihlajasaari
      @KallePihlajasaari ปีที่แล้ว

      Affixing with double sided or glueing a magnet on the back may be a handy method of mounting the camera as long as you can source a flexible cable.
      Interesting that all the boot parameter text is in ENGLISH.

  • @thobiasmartin4768
    @thobiasmartin4768 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    SAMPLE TEXT

  • @pidginmac
    @pidginmac ปีที่แล้ว +2

    6:19 I was so focused into the vid I forgot I was craving some text. Right on time ❤

  • @itsevilbert
    @itsevilbert ปีที่แล้ว +2

    There is also a Infiray Xtherm T3S and Xtherm T3Pro which costs nearly three times more for 2.25 times the number of pixels 384×288 (T2S+ and P2 Pro has 256×192) still with a 25 Hz frame rate. Personally I can't justify the higher price.

    •  ปีที่แล้ว +1

      288p camera can be 50cm away from the bench on a pantograph with all that space available to you, to work with your both hands and even flip and move the board around, solder and rework without spewing the lens and camera with flux and fumes ;)

  • @beamer.electronics
    @beamer.electronics ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Superb teardown and review Mike, alas though, for my budget - I'll still have to use my fingertip ;) All the best, Beamer.

  • @LoremIpsum1970
    @LoremIpsum1970 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Good review. Shame you didn't get to test the T2S Plus, which I've decided to buy sometime this week...I think after seeing this. One question: which android app did you use?

  • @JohnDoe-es5xh
    @JohnDoe-es5xh ปีที่แล้ว +3

    I love Oxford English.

  • @seavil1
    @seavil1 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    can you attach an external lcd and make it dedicated instead of using a cell phone and app? turning it into a scope or monocular.

    • @markm0000
      @markm0000 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      You can buy a tablet and 3D print a case.

  • @huihuihuihuihuihui1
    @huihuihuihuihuihui1 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    Can it be used to guide a thermal missile or not quite yet?

  • @db7314
    @db7314 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Very interested in this 🤔 would like to make a thermal camera on the raspberry pi. Did you need to download any drivers?
    Would like to run it in opencv to change the palettes 👍

  • @kwinzman
    @kwinzman ปีที่แล้ว +2

    The most important stat in a thermal camera besides the number of pixels is the NETD in millikelvin (mK = 0.001 º C). This one claims

    • @jensharbers6702
      @jensharbers6702 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Well, Seek and Flir, the main competitors aren't even offering a 25Hz thermal camera, in that specific price range.
      A thing anyone should remember: The price and what you are getting for it. ;)

  • @MaxSMoke777
    @MaxSMoke777 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I love it, I've had one for over a year now. I keep it inside my old Seek Thermal case, which it fits into with ALOT of space to spare. I didn't get that magnetic macro lens thing through. It wasn't available at the time.

  • @sbreheny
    @sbreheny ปีที่แล้ว +1

    The ambient temp could be to compensate for reflection. If the target object has a low emissivity then the reflection of the surroundings off the object will affect the temperature. They may also be compensating for air absorption/emission of IR, although they would need to know distance and humidity for that to be accurate.

  • @randybb
    @randybb ปีที่แล้ว +4

    250 euro on Ali. Not bad...

    • @robertjung8929
      @robertjung8929 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      250 with the macro lens.. recently i was buying the seek compact for 290 + 30 for the lens.. and this P2 has definitely better picture.

    • @richardhalliday6469
      @richardhalliday6469 ปีที่แล้ว

      On offer for a few days - 204 euro

  • @huihuihuihuihuihui1
    @huihuihuihuihuihui1 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

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  • @jackking5567
    @jackking5567 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    That was a really in-depth review.
    I use a spotting thermal scope and the software on my thermal scope is naff too. I'm unsure if naff software and thermal imaging is a common thing or just manufacturers being a bit weird.
    Like others have commented here - could a lens be attached to create a better zoom? It would give the device a much broader range of uses. Even is a clip on magnetic lens was included for an extra £100 it would attract more buyers.

  • @yunodiewtf
    @yunodiewtf ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Finally some good middle ground between total shit and something over $500! Not that I'm not happy with my HT-301 but for some repairmen this would be a salvation level thing with price stinging much less

    • @u.d.7543
      @u.d.7543 ปีที่แล้ว

      Which app do you use for the HT-301?

    • @yunodiewtf
      @yunodiewtf ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@u.d.7543 Its own bundled crap. Also installed ThermViewer trial but didn't see any worth paying extra for an app. However I'd really like to have a fully compatible software on Windows to do a little more sophisticated stuff with the camera mounted over a PCB not just quick peek with my phone but haven't seen any good ones.

  • @kylek29
    @kylek29 ปีที่แล้ว +6

    To think, there's more tech in this $200 device than a modernized Russian main battle tank.
    Jokes aside, I don't think we'll see the image (MSX is what I think they call it) overlay stuff FLIR does because they aggressively protect that patent wherever they have it. *Edit* also surprised to see they were granted a patent for "aerial thermal imaging..." (FLIR on a drone).

    • @robthomas7232
      @robthomas7232 ปีที่แล้ว

      In theory if this works on a rpi and you can attach a normal camera to it as well then couldn't you do some overlaying of the images yourself using the standard apps? Difficult for FLIR to go after that.

    • @ColHogan-zg2pc
      @ColHogan-zg2pc ปีที่แล้ว

      Def not the case with the T-14

  • @06howea1
    @06howea1 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    Thermal cameras need to be cheaper

    • @herrakaarme
      @herrakaarme ปีที่แล้ว +5

      They will be. At some point it's possible the USA will change its laws as well because it's kind of pitiful the Americans are getting beaten by the Chinese because the Americans can't market their products due to their laws. These laws were meant to heavily restrict the (cheap) civilian market of thermal imaging to avoid it being used for military purposes. However, those laws have lost their effectiveness anyway with the better Chinese products on the market, so now their own laws are merely kicking the American companies in the nuts.

    • @ColHogan-zg2pc
      @ColHogan-zg2pc ปีที่แล้ว

      Then design a cheaper one

  • @RocketCityTech
    @RocketCityTech ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Ooooh baby

  • @iamdarkyoshi
    @iamdarkyoshi ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Sounds to me like it's time to revisit that World's Smallest Thermal Camera project :p

  • @UntamedOutlooks
    @UntamedOutlooks 15 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Can you do the t2 pro I broke the lighting adapter can it be fixed ?

  • @anon_y_mousse
    @anon_y_mousse ปีที่แล้ว +4

    Neat. IIRC, the Pi boot loader starts the GPU first, that tiny first hot spot, and it, the GPU, then initializes the RAM, that tiny second hot spot, then starts up the CPU core, that big third hot spot, after which it transfers control to the CPU. Cool to see it in action like that.

  • @andyboy189
    @andyboy189 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Could I use this in a wider angle application. I want to stand in front of my house and use the thermal image to find health leaks through windows ect.

    • @mikeselectricstuff
      @mikeselectricstuff  ปีที่แล้ว +3

      yes

    • @MaxSMoke777
      @MaxSMoke777 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      I've used mine to see power adapters I *thought* were turned off, sitting there drawing power, getting hot, and wasting my money! If it's warm, it's using power.

  • @CiderPang27
    @CiderPang27 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Wish I could afford one but well out of my price range. Would make some mobile repairs so much easier.

  • @gamerpaddy
    @gamerpaddy ปีที่แล้ว +1

    too bad those chinese apps dont save the thermal images in the flir format (or similar) to later adjust gradient and measurement points.

    • @gamerpaddy
      @gamerpaddy ปีที่แล้ว

      Cant be too hard to make a similiar one or reverseengineer it. Its just a jpg with the raw thermal data strapped to it. The flir tools open the raw data and update the underlaying jpg when saving.

  • @nucleochemist
    @nucleochemist ปีที่แล้ว +2

    These are interesting. I have an old thermal camera for android phones that uses micro USB and specifically USB OTG, but neither of things work properly on modern android phones. So I have to keep a really old phone around just to occationally use the old camera. Maybe I need to upgrade...

    • @gorak9000
      @gorak9000 ปีที่แล้ว

      Or just get a USB-C to micro-usb OTG adapter - like every possible USB adapter you could possibly think of is out there somewhere

    • @petevenuti7355
      @petevenuti7355 ปีที่แล้ว

      I'm still looking for a phone new enough to have OTG ..

    • @gorak9000
      @gorak9000 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@petevenuti7355 Huh, every phone I've had had OTG going back to some ancient HTC something or other running Android 3 - on a phone with a micro USB port, you need a special OTG cable that shorts the 5th pin to ground which tells the phone to go into USB host mode (otherwise it's a USB device). My last few work phones have come with a USB OTG adapter that plugs into the phone with micro-usb and provides a USB type A female socket on the other side (like a standard USB port you'd find on a computer)

    • @petevenuti7355
      @petevenuti7355 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@gorak9000 got 3 that don't, even tried rooting it and adding the necessary files to support OTG only to find the hardware incapable...

    • @Kali_Kali
      @Kali_Kali ปีที่แล้ว

      @@gorak9000 You wrote: "you need a special OTG cable that shorts the 5th pin to ground...". Could you be more specific, the 5th pin is the ground (1st red is VCC , 2nd white is D-, 3rd green is D+, 4 NC is ID, 5th black is GND). You probably meant connecting the 4th pin to ground, i.e. to 5th pin.

  • @theREELdogman
    @theREELdogman 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    Can you do the X2 / XH09/?

    • @ThermalSpoter1988
      @ThermalSpoter1988 5 หลายเดือนก่อน

      X2 is another name of XH09, manual focus with 9mm lens. one camera can both used for HVAC or pcb repair or outdoor activity

  • @deltonman
    @deltonman 8 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Hello, your Review is very good, but I can't find any that talk about the camera software, I have some doubts if, for example, I can take thermal photos and then calmly analyze them, check the temperatures with the points, lines and rectangles of an already saved image, Another question is the software for Windows that I think it has, I read that it does not open the images of the Infiray P2 Pro, since you have this camera you could clear my doubts, I am interested in buying it, greetings and thank you.

  • @andrewd5135
    @andrewd5135 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    at what distance can this be used? i want check the cold spots in my walls.

    • @jensharbers6702
      @jensharbers6702 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      There the InfiRay does a good job. From the 2nd floor, a car and a walking person can be clearly identified.

    • @BlondieSL
      @BlondieSL ปีที่แล้ว +2

      @@jensharbers6702 Ah! but can it "see" a skunk hiding under the back porch when it's cold outside?
      LOL
      Not kidding.... well... sort of... but I did use my Flir for that very purpose.

  • @mikebeatstsb7030
    @mikebeatstsb7030 ปีที่แล้ว

    Do you have the 'tof viewer' app..? I know its not thermal but it does the best job of night vision on android that I've seen by far

  • @free_spirit1
    @free_spirit1 9 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Mike I need to use this camera to find thermal asymmetries in some large angle high temperature sources. Whenever I use it for this purpose the camera gives a prompt about overheating. Do you think this can be avoided with better cooling of the sensor/PCB?

    • @Egorov242
      @Egorov242 8 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Overheating its safe message for matrix
      Because a matrix cant see high temperature

  • @Gengh13
    @Gengh13 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Looks really good, I might buy one.

  • @Felipe2077tv
    @Felipe2077tv ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Taking a look at an Aliexpress page for this product, there's no mention of focus. It doesn't appear that there's a manual adjust for focus, so is it a fully automatic focus (from near to far) or simply just close? How would this work outdoors?

    • @AlexanderGee
      @AlexanderGee ปีที่แล้ว +8

      You don't focus it. It's quite a wide lens so they are relying on the hyperfocal distance. Things are in focus from about 30cm to Infinity.

    • @Felipe2077tv
      @Felipe2077tv ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@AlexanderGee Is it wider than a normal cellphone camera or about the same?
      Edit: How does it also compare in focus and FOV compared to the seek thermal? Can the Seek Thermal get a closer focus?

    • @jensharbers6702
      @jensharbers6702 ปีที่แล้ว

      The Focus is fixed to "Infinity" I'd say.
      I mean, I ordered mine with the macro (SMD Diagnostics are a breeze with this thing).

  • @jackhowardbourne
    @jackhowardbourne ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Love the Mike mug: Just undo it.

  • @landspide
    @landspide ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Slick just picked one up

    • @gorak9000
      @gorak9000 ปีที่แล้ว

      Did you manage to get one of the black friday priced ones on aliexpress? Pretty good to get the camera and the macro lens for $185, but it was annoying to dig through the 30 different "products" they had listed to find one that wasn't sold out of the combo pack with the macro (and that their $40 off coupon worked, but the $45 coupon didn't)

  • @cathy6659
    @cathy6659 ปีที่แล้ว

    Excellent review! I just bought P2 Pro for about three months. Its multiple functions are convenient. It makes smartphone a wonderful tool. Besides, the resolution is good enough for work.

  • @jfieqj
    @jfieqj ปีที่แล้ว +8

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  • @mfx1
    @mfx1 ปีที่แล้ว

    I've got their T25+ and it's pretty good, my Seek was always flaky connecting and now just doesn't work at all.

  • @djkillachris
    @djkillachris ปีที่แล้ว +9

    Does the app need your information for their data mining?

    • @jensharbers6702
      @jensharbers6702 ปีที่แล้ว

      Nope, NOTHING at all.

    • @russrussrusstan
      @russrussrusstan ปีที่แล้ว +1

      you need to give it permission to access your files, else it wont let the thermal cam work. also, it always geotags photos and vids you take using the app so it asks for precise location permission. you can choose to make it ask for location permission every time you try to take a photo/vid so that you dont permanently give it that permission

  • @electronbox
    @electronbox ปีที่แล้ว

    Great review, thanks Mike. This looks like it wipes the floor with my Flir i3, so should I sell the Flir in favour for the Infiray?

  • @paulmurgatroyd6372
    @paulmurgatroyd6372 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Why is there a frame rate limit on US devices?

    • @kubabuda
      @kubabuda ปีที่แล้ว +13

      ITAR, 9fps is too low to be usable for seeker head on rocket missile

    • @BlondieSL
      @BlondieSL ปีที่แล้ว

      @@kubabuda So military limitations, huh?
      THAT FIGURES!
      But the fact that this can be purchased anywhere in N. America, pretty much nullifies that "rule".

    • @kubabuda
      @kubabuda ปีที่แล้ว

      @@BlondieSL Regulation is for devices made by US companies for export. Made sense when US-made FLIR was the only player in town, now as PRC chip fabs catched up this is only kneecap for FLIR cheaper offering

  • @elkwood8
    @elkwood8 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Why does mine have a different plug in? The one I got will not fit my android!

    • @G2D
      @G2D 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      Because the one you got is not for Android phones lol

    • @elkwood8
      @elkwood8 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      @@G2D Thank you! I realized that shortly after I post this but forgot to delete the post. Ha! Thx again!