Fountaine Pajot Saona 47 - Review & Sailing Italy to Croatia

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  • @GeoffreyWBlee-dz9ll
    @GeoffreyWBlee-dz9ll 3 ปีที่แล้ว +64

    You must admire this skipper, speaks his mind, no rubbish, speakes from experience . I like the man.

  • @freak9936
    @freak9936 3 ปีที่แล้ว +21

    Best review of the Saona 47 on the web... No fuss, only the real stuff. The comparison with other cats is also a huge plus, you can't find so much on the web... Thank you so much Igor, would love to meet & sail one day together... Best Regards from Turkey...

  • @mitchellbarnow1709
    @mitchellbarnow1709 3 ปีที่แล้ว +20

    Igor, I really love the style of your videos and I really appreciate that you do them in English. Thank you so much 😊

    • @IgorStropnik
      @IgorStropnik  3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Thanks Mitchell!

    • @mitchellbarnow1709
      @mitchellbarnow1709 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@IgorStropnik You are very welcome, Igor. I try to watch all your videos, because they are beautiful and entertaining. I really enjoy the different people that you have accompany you on your journeys.

  • @giulianolonghi5467
    @giulianolonghi5467 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    For me Croatia is the best in the world for all. It's very magic, under all the know-how. In every corner of it you discover a new landscape, always. It is its real magic and the native of the place also too. When You sail in every sea You have to cook cevapcici and pljeskavica with fried potatoes. Great man and great crew. Thank You for share it. A big hub from Trieste. Thank You very much.

    • @IgorStropnik
      @IgorStropnik  3 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      Thanks Giuliano! Croatia is the best and cevapcici also!

  • @youreskimofriend2327
    @youreskimofriend2327 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    I've watched so many boat reviews and they are all the same. Everything is great. Beautiful design. Fantastic boat. Bla bla bla... Finally someone who will actually share honest opinions. To the point. No nonsense. Good stuff. Keep it up!

  • @mco51193
    @mco51193 2 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    I'm going to get one of these one day (dare to dream), and when I do, I think Igor has talked me out of a Lagoon. Haha. The FP boats tend to do it for me a bit more anyway because of their more open saloon layouts. They seem to use the space a lot more efficiently.
    Lagoon owners, don't worry, you're already way cooler than me on every level. I'd still own a Lagoon in a heartbeat if it came to that, even with all the things Igor has pointed out that they don't do perfectly. First world problems for sure.

  • @Starmania_FR
    @Starmania_FR 3 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Saona 47 is my favorite catamaran under 50ft. Thanks for this great video.

  • @jtolken
    @jtolken 3 ปีที่แล้ว +6

    Great video as always. You have now completely changed my thinking and expectations around Lagoon And Fountain Pajot catamarans. And what you say is true. You can see how quiet the PF is and how well it handles. A real eye opener for me. Always though Lagoon was the catamaran benchmark, but clearly not. I really hope Lagoon and PF watch these videos. Lagoon, you need to seriously lift your game!

    • @IgorStropnik
      @IgorStropnik  3 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      FP made a very good boat. It is the first FP I sailed and I wonder how other on older models perform.

  • @ourstarsRstars
    @ourstarsRstars 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Pet Sounds on a loop is always a must.

  • @squirrelmaster1225
    @squirrelmaster1225 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    one of the best sailing videos ive seen, thank you for the straightforward review. awesome job Igor

  • @sailingleelawadee
    @sailingleelawadee 3 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    Amazing report. I seems that I have ordered the right boat. I can confirm from my test sail that the Saona 47 is a really fast boat. I have the owners version. The space in the master cabin is amazing with a bathroom size as you can find in a luxury apartment.
    Another 6 weeks till handover. I cannot await it.

    • @IgorStropnik
      @IgorStropnik  3 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      I would like to see the space of owners version.

    • @mihaelatrandaf6275
      @mihaelatrandaf6275 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      Hi, Frank! How much you paid for the owner version? Thx!

    • @sailingleelawadee
      @sailingleelawadee 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      @@mihaelatrandaf6275 with all extras and the configuration I would like to have for circumnavigation, 900.000 euro

    • @mihaelatrandaf6275
      @mihaelatrandaf6275 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      I m sure it will be amazing! Wish you all the best and enjoy your beautiful cat! Thx a lot for your answer!

  • @boomontory38
    @boomontory38 3 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    Just grabbed my Dinner! and looks like im going to Croatia from Italy while eating 🤣
    Perfect Friday!

  • @secondstartotheright
    @secondstartotheright 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Complements to the Captain and crew what an amazing sail and review!!!

  • @snafufubar
    @snafufubar 3 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Enjoyed your vid. Interesting hearing your views on the different cats. Been also watching sailing Parlay revival while he fixes his lagoon. He has basically taken it apart to fix all the bulkheads that have seperated or broke. There now a lot more reporting faults with the boat structure and build.

    • @IgorStropnik
      @IgorStropnik  3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Thanks! I will pay more attention to these bulkheads now.

  • @rolidcz7954
    @rolidcz7954 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    I saw your lagoon video before this video and this fontain pajot is definitely the better boat.

    • @IgorStropnik
      @IgorStropnik  9 หลายเดือนก่อน

      I miss flybridge.

  • @superbimbo4674
    @superbimbo4674 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Very well done, the best review-on-board-testing i've seen by far. I look forward to have my own cat.

  • @richardsimpson2599
    @richardsimpson2599 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Thanks Igor i enjoyed that. I was amazed on how good that 47 was.

  • @FlightlineB747
    @FlightlineB747 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Again, a very nice documentary… CYA in Croatia 2021!!

  • @patrickdunne1150
    @patrickdunne1150 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Hello from Chicago! Man, you destroyed the Lagoon, very funny for a guy who never sailed before!

    • @IgorStropnik
      @IgorStropnik  3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Saona is very good....sorry lagoon..🙂

  • @tdm8507
    @tdm8507 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Great crew, great presenter. Without pasulj, nothing gets done :) Keep up the good work

    • @IgorStropnik
      @IgorStropnik  3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Thanks! Pasulj is the best 😀

  • @ericlu8037
    @ericlu8037 3 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Excellent video! Really changed my mind as I am planning to get a new Lagoon 42, now I’m looking at a FP Astrea 42! I see some of the reviews say that the lagoon has better build quality, but the noise part is really important to me and that is what you don’t see on other ppls reviews! Great job! It will be great if you can do a review on Astrea!

    • @IgorStropnik
      @IgorStropnik  3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Thanks! Lagoon 42 is good boat but I personally prefer sailing characteristics of Saona47. I hope to sail and film more FP in future.

  • @alanbuckley7000
    @alanbuckley7000 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Great comparison always thought the owners cabin passage between head and bed on the Lagoons was a waste of space two cabins would be a better use of space, please keep making these wonderful videos Igor great to watch in these dark times

  • @crashryanphoto
    @crashryanphoto 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    This was fun to watch! Cool video!!

  • @stu2355
    @stu2355 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Another great video, and a superb review of the cat. Have enjoyed this trip all be it from the comfort of my home. and the review of sail tacking jib perfect,

  • @hakubaholiday9006
    @hakubaholiday9006 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Awesome review. Thanks for doing it.

  • @DePistolero
    @DePistolero 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Great video and review of the boat, will be very useful to me :)
    Thanks!!

  • @megamilyon6111
    @megamilyon6111 3 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Young Europeans listening to the Beach Boys in 2021 !! I love it.

    • @IgorStropnik
      @IgorStropnik  3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      I think it was on playlist of older crew member 😄😀

  • @megamilyon6111
    @megamilyon6111 3 ปีที่แล้ว +13

    I dont think Lagoon is going to ask you to ferry any more boats or be their spokesman.

    • @IgorStropnik
      @IgorStropnik  3 ปีที่แล้ว +11

      They never did. Lagoons are still very good for charter and old ones were good cruisers too. FP competition is good for me as user as I can hope to get even better boats.

  • @bojanmtubic
    @bojanmtubic 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Very good video Igor, nice with a review of a Fountaine👍

  • @nevenmarovich3173
    @nevenmarovich3173 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Another great video Igor. Most, most enjoyable and very helpful especially now with Covid and not being able to skipper in Croatia for Australian visitors. Can you pls include your docking manouvers whilst doing these trips !! Always useful to see and learn of different ways like the one you did coming out of Split, Nava base.

    • @IgorStropnik
      @IgorStropnik  3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Thanks! Have been planning to film more maneuvers for long time but setting cameras takes so much time and you are focused on not crashing the boat... Hope to do more this summer :)

  • @ariesaguila5226
    @ariesaguila5226 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    He's frank and I like his views, and the funny part is he constantly screwed the Lagoon except the old one version such as 450. Actually F Pajot 47 is one of my lists and this makes it goin to the top of my list as he differentiate it with Bali cat as he mentioned the height of boom of main sail, I mean, he is right. The boom of Bali is worse, hard to zip its main sail when it's reefed considering its height.

  • @bikefreund7323
    @bikefreund7323 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Looks like fun👍🏻

  • @MaximZharov
    @MaximZharov 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    More cooking please! ) really enjoyable

    • @IgorStropnik
      @IgorStropnik  3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Thanks! More cooking after I finish my weight loss diet after this trip 😀

  • @views-lq4vc
    @views-lq4vc 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Interesting comparison of the boats.

  • @mariusventer853
    @mariusventer853 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Your reviews of the different boats are amazing and helpful. Please can you do one of the leopard 45 or 50?

    • @IgorStropnik
      @IgorStropnik  2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Thanks 🙏 Will try 👍

  • @antoniocappuccini1498
    @antoniocappuccini1498 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Very informative, thank you Igor! I like your easy going way of doing this job! And seriously, I would be more than happy to help in case you need crew for passages in the Med!. I live in Austria and I usually go sailing in Croatia, mostly Pula and Kornati, so I know the area quite well.

    • @IgorStropnik
      @IgorStropnik  3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Thanks! Nothing in the Med. on horizon but I keep you in my mind.

    • @antoniocappuccini1498
      @antoniocappuccini1498 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@IgorStropnik I don't mind other destinations at all! I just thought you are mostly in the Med. Actually I'm looking for a crew possibility to cross the atlantic next year, for instance. Thx!
      p.s. Watching your little trip in Sweden, lovely!

  • @DansKoiPond
    @DansKoiPond 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Love it, think I could live on that. Which would be handy because I would have to sell everything to get near one.

    • @IgorStropnik
      @IgorStropnik  3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Living area of the apartment size and you get summer house included.

    • @DansKoiPond
      @DansKoiPond 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@IgorStropnik do you know what the price is? Couldn't see anything on their website.

    • @IgorStropnik
      @IgorStropnik  3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      @@DansKoiPond I think fully equiped 650k eur

    • @DansKoiPond
      @DansKoiPond 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@IgorStropnik more than my house by some way then lol

  • @LawrenceBroussard
    @LawrenceBroussard 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    You can tell you really like this sail boat, but which one is your favorite? All that cooking, working out is pretty smart.

    • @IgorStropnik
      @IgorStropnik  2 ปีที่แล้ว

      I like Saona 47, Lagoon 52, Lagoon 450, Lagoon 46. But still looking for favorite boat.

  • @Wayne_Nero
    @Wayne_Nero 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I like this channel, I think I would buy this boat based on what Igor has to say about it.

  • @mihaelatrandaf6275
    @mihaelatrandaf6275 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Really good video! Thx a lot! All your videos are really interesting! All the best, Igor! PS: you remind us of Tom Cruise :))

  • @johnmayer3433
    @johnmayer3433 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    very nice vlog! As for self-tacking jibs, after more than 30 years of sailing I share your statement that one mostly experiences head winds and that is where a self-tacking jib comes really handy especially when sailing single handed. So maybe you come to think nicer of ST jibs lol

  • @davedavids9619
    @davedavids9619 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    You spoke about the difference of the Lagoon (all nets in front), Bali (all plastic) and this Saona (half half). Could you explain why you prefer this set up ? Does it have something to do with strength, sailing performance, noise etc ? Very curious to hear your opinion on this one. You have sailed them all, which makes you the specialist to turn to.

    • @IgorStropnik
      @IgorStropnik  3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Bali actualy feels good in front but not good for heavy weather and I mis the net. FP has enought net and some plactic where you have storage. Lagoon has plenty of net. If you sail in calm area it is up to your peferences. If you sail heavy weather you should look for different boat anyway.

  • @Steventendler
    @Steventendler 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    great job

  • @andymarshall2201
    @andymarshall2201 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Great video Igor, if ever you need crew at short notice, let me know. I’m always available.

    • @IgorStropnik
      @IgorStropnik  3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Thanks! Where are you from?

  • @davecopp9356
    @davecopp9356 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Hi Mr Stropnik, do you mind me asking, did you take the RYA courses to gain this knowledge or which courses did you take? Thanks.

  • @oskarcuknis4053
    @oskarcuknis4053 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Hey Igor ,I loved your video. I wished I saw your videos earlier .Would have given me a better insight into what is a good catamaran should ne . I hope you get to sail a Leopard 42- 45-50 and give an opinion on that .. vidimo se u Hrvatzku jedan dan 👍😉

  • @Lui2692
    @Lui2692 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    @Igor. I always see new pots and pans boxes when you guys are stocking up for a trip. Do the boats not come pre-supplied with these?

    • @IgorStropnik
      @IgorStropnik  3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      new boats have nothing. no pilows no shets,no pans, nothing...

  • @BennyTheNerd
    @BennyTheNerd 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    I understand you really like the Lagoon450, what is your opinion about their MANY bulk head problems?

    • @IgorStropnik
      @IgorStropnik  3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Boat is good but not sure what is going on with bulkheads.

    • @BennyTheNerd
      @BennyTheNerd 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      @@IgorStropnik Yes it's sad with all those bulk head problems, ouch expensive !!!

  • @ColGadarby
    @ColGadarby หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    What are your thoughts on the Pajot Bahia 46 - is it very inferior to the Saona ? It is much cheaper...

    • @IgorStropnik
      @IgorStropnik  หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      Haven’t sailed it yet.

  • @melcrose
    @melcrose 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    is another cooking (sailing) video coming on this one?

    • @IgorStropnik
      @IgorStropnik  3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      As soon as I lose some weight from this trip... 😋

  • @turipz
    @turipz 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    @igorstropnik at 34:35 - what is that rather loud chopping noise in the background? This was just as you were saying how quiet the boat is, but there was this very noticeable noise in the background?

    • @IgorStropnik
      @IgorStropnik  7 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      Engines running?

  • @coolfxtr5419
    @coolfxtr5419 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I know Lagoon 450f is your only favourite Lagoon. Is 450f squeaky too? Which one would you prefer, Lagoon 450f or Saona 47?

    • @IgorStropnik
      @IgorStropnik  3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Loved 450 untill I heard about bulkheads. Love Saona.

  • @JH-ht8vr
    @JH-ht8vr 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    FP needs to put Igor on payroll for sales department....Im more an FP fan now after watching this video!

  • @ptroy72blue
    @ptroy72blue 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    What is your favorite which catamaran would you buy? Also vs Triman

    • @IgorStropnik
      @IgorStropnik  2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Still looking for favorite and perfect boat...

  • @macsinvan
    @macsinvan 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Thanks!

    • @macsinvan
      @macsinvan 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Thanks for your informative reviews. I’m finding them very useful as I consider purchasing a catamaran. How do you find/select crew for your deliveries?

    • @IgorStropnik
      @IgorStropnik  2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Thanks 🙏 Mostly people i know.

  • @OutlawWoodworking
    @OutlawWoodworking ปีที่แล้ว +1

    What’s your favorite catamaran so far

    • @IgorStropnik
      @IgorStropnik  ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Hobie 16

    • @OutlawWoodworking
      @OutlawWoodworking ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@IgorStropnik I had a hobie 18 when I was a kid used to love flying a hull , flipped it over a few times ,my question was I’m looking at some cruising cats and watched your video on the Nautitech,have been looking at older Catana,Nautitech used what would be your cruising cat choice for sailing

    • @IgorStropnik
      @IgorStropnik  ปีที่แล้ว

      @@OutlawWoodworking Haven’t found perfect one yet.

  • @carolgoergens9275
    @carolgoergens9275 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Hey Igor , how does this work ? is everyone getting paid for delivery of the boat ? Or is this a vacation ? I really want this job great work on the videos

    • @IgorStropnik
      @IgorStropnik  3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      This was just trip for fun. You can contact delivery agents for work.

    • @jeffalexander544
      @jeffalexander544 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      Just a fun trip in a new FP? Who’s boat was it? (Is)?

  • @harryecke5399
    @harryecke5399 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I bet Lagoon won‘t book Your services in near future ^^

  • @Videokad
    @Videokad 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Like your videos, they are really good. Any chance to test the Elba 45 ? Thanks for the good work.

    • @IgorStropnik
      @IgorStropnik  3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Thanks! I hope to test Elba one day.

    • @Videokad
      @Videokad 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@IgorStropnik Thanks for the response, if I buy the elba one day I will call you to try it in south of france :)

    • @IgorStropnik
      @IgorStropnik  3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@Videokad Ok! 😃

  • @Lucky_Red_Fish
    @Lucky_Red_Fish 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Hey Igor, I have watched you sail many cats, which one would you recommend for novice liveaboards?

    • @IgorStropnik
      @IgorStropnik  3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      That is not easy to answer...what is the budget for the boat and how much comfort do you need?

    • @Lucky_Red_Fish
      @Lucky_Red_Fish 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@IgorStropnik We are looking at used and spending somewhere in the region of $300k, we are more interested in safety. Lagoons are out as they may have bulkhead issues and the constant squeaks would do our heads in.

    • @IgorStropnik
      @IgorStropnik  3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      @@Lucky_Red_Fish Saona 47 might be for you. Maybe also smaller FP but havent sailed them yet.

    • @Lucky_Red_Fish
      @Lucky_Red_Fish 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@IgorStropnik many thanks will add it to my list. X

  • @lisacozza8737
    @lisacozza8737 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Just bought this one and sold my Leopard 45. needed the 5th cabin.
    any thoughts on that comparison? Leopard 45 to FP 47?

    • @IgorStropnik
      @IgorStropnik  3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      I haven't sailed latest Leopards but I loved the FP.

  • @jamielancaster01
    @jamielancaster01 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Crazy boaters in Croatia

  • @JayBr61
    @JayBr61 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    How tall are you? Would give a good idea on head room. Appreciate the review. Do your chefs hire out? ;o)

    • @IgorStropnik
      @IgorStropnik  3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      190cm,100kg. On this trip we had microwave oven chefs but on other trips had very good ones. Thanks!

  • @paulgilliland2992
    @paulgilliland2992 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I was noticing that FP is so quiet under way . How’s the ventilation in the cabins ?

    • @IgorStropnik
      @IgorStropnik  3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Havent sailed it in hot climate but probably ok.

  • @TheDiazconchile
    @TheDiazconchile 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Hola. It’s more quickly that a lagoon 50?

  • @astindbs
    @astindbs 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Would you take a delivery from Italy to Key West Fa 80 ft sail

    • @IgorStropnik
      @IgorStropnik  2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Please send me email. Www.alivesailing.com

    • @astindbs
      @astindbs 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Yes

  • @nickmalone3599
    @nickmalone3599 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Can you talk about the job of being a transport captain?

    • @IgorStropnik
      @IgorStropnik  3 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      You can do it. You need some experience and luck to get first jobs and than slowly grow up.

    • @nickmalone3599
      @nickmalone3599 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@IgorStropnik thank you for positivity. Really like your thorough evaluations of the boats.

    • @IgorStropnik
      @IgorStropnik  3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@nickmalone3599 Thanks 🍻

  • @andymarshall2201
    @andymarshall2201 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I live in the UK.

  • @claudiof.barbano5530
    @claudiof.barbano5530 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    better lagoon 46 or Pajot 47?

  • @robfletcher3426
    @robfletcher3426 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I like your hat….

  • @niko36
    @niko36 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    So are you sponsored by Lagoon? 😂😜😂😂😂

  • @FolllowTheSunYacht
    @FolllowTheSunYacht ปีที่แล้ว +1

    older people like you.. LOL OMG, what shall I say!!!???
    🙂

  • @hoopoo3721
    @hoopoo3721 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    The squeaks are just telling you you should have gotten a better boat.

  • @Костянтин-я3й
    @Костянтин-я3й 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    +

  • @waouwpassion5322
    @waouwpassion5322 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Les Lagoon sont toujours les plus gros, les plus lourds et les moins toilés de leur niveau de gamme. Pas besoin de philosopher, il suffit simplement comparer les fiches techniques ! Pour le mouillage peut-être que le match serait plus serré, mais en navigation il n'y a pas photo, les Lagoon se trainent plus que les autres. Et pour avoir traversé l'Atlantique sur un Saona je confirme que c'est un bateau plutôt rapide vu son confort royal et ses équipements (mais le bout dehors et le gennaker des options indispensables). A comparer avec un 450 c'est un bien meilleur bateau, plus marin, plus facile, plus alerte. Et puis à titre perso, les Lagoon avec leur vitres verticales ressemblent vraiment à des frigos... Niveau qualité de fabrication ? Les 2 marques se valent... C'est médiocre.

  • @johnandrews2155
    @johnandrews2155 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    E def

  • @belloube
    @belloube 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    bla bla bla bla