The most fascinating things to me about different temperaments is that we get a whole new slew of chord qualities that, at least to me, are absolutely gorgeous
@@monsterfukk7737 Consonance. There are a lot of people who equate consonance with "good". Of course, there are interesting chords that are also dissonant, but they often resolve in interesting ways to a consonance.
Instead of the 12 notes that we have been listening to for 300 years this is a 19 note scale. Equal Temperament means the notes are all equally spaced. The same with the 12 note scale. He is playing a 12 note piano but the flats and sharps have two values and he must have a pedal or something to switch. You need an extra 7 notes to squeeze onto the 12 note keyboard. The other music type is "just intonation" where all the notes are pure harmonies of other notes. This is like East Indian Music. Only some notes on the 12 note scale harmonize nicely with some other notes. This just means the frequency of the note is a pure multiple like 1/2, 1/3, 1/4, 1/5. Those are played as chords in music with the left hand usually. But these harmonies are not exact because they can't be. They are just very close to exact and we can't tell the difference. But East Indian Music is exact. They use "just intonation" No one has build a 19 note piano yet that I know of. You would have to modify the keyboard and your fingers would have trouble playing an Octave. You would maybe need an extra row of keys , or a pedal to make some keys double function.
Once in a while, I return to 19-tet music, and oh boy, what a lovely channel you have here! The arrangement is magnificent, I hope more people will see it
okay, I'm back. now equipped with an appropriate controller. How did you achieve 19-tet on the 12-edo keyboard???? i can see it's not a 1-to-1 note mapping. ie, your 19-edo octave isn't a 5th above the 12-edo octave.
@@jeannotdenimes158 I played/listened in 12 and edited afterwards. There is no sophisticated playback real-time system going on, though that’s definitely something that can be arranged with software
whoa i didnt you could play 19 tet songs on a retuned keyboard. i just thought maybe the notes would be too far apart lol. this sound so cool !! edit: wow this isnt just cool its beautiful holy heck.
I think he is taking a 12 note subset from 19 tet. I don't know which subset though. If you notice, for example octaves are the same distance apart as in the 12 tet piano. I'm impressed it sounds this good with so many accidentals, if this is truly the method he used.
Ah, I see he commented elsewhere it's actually harder than that: the same key can sound in different ways. So that's why octaves are still the same distance apart, and he can play relatively similar to the original 12-tet version. I'm sorry if I confused you. I think it's pretty cool, this way you can make microtonal versions of 12-tet pieces more easily, thanks to the software
yeah, that kinda bothers me with the arrangement, you'd want the backwards flat symbols to show half flats and there's specific symbols for halfsharps as well
@@oscwavcommentaccount so there’s not a name- like just int. or hungarian minor... does stuff aside from 12-tone scales even have names? especially if used in a non-equal temperament tuning system? i’m not too familiar with microtonal stuff yet.
I translated the midi I play into 19-tone software! That’s why many times you’ll get the impression that I’m playing the same key twice on the 12 tone keyboard but different keys on the 19 tone keyboard, because the spelling changes which note is actually played. For example, in the A and G augmented seventh chords (spelled in an inverted manner to keep notes in key), you might notice the Db-C# movement, and the Cb-B movement. When I played it in 12 I just had to play the same key in a lot of places. Hopefully this is a testament to the apparent nature of the microtonality…
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Incredible
Guess you guys aren't ready for that yet…but your kids are gonna love it
We already love it
nice back to the future quote
The most fascinating things to me about different temperaments is that we get a whole new slew of chord qualities that, at least to me, are absolutely gorgeous
Finally, somebody uses microtones for interesting chords and harmonies and not just super dissonant hyperdiminished chords
wdym finally, we've been doing this the whole time
You're missing out on Zheanna Erose's studies on rosechords then. Check her out, she has some pretty nice 31edo.
What is the difference between interesting chords and super dissonant hyperdiminished chords? That sounds pretty interesting to me
@@monsterfukk7737 Consonance. There are a lot of people who equate consonance with "good".
Of course, there are interesting chords that are also dissonant, but they often resolve in interesting ways to a consonance.
Check out shimmering shapes, it’s what got me into microtonal music.
Me 2 minutes ago:
“What the fuck is 19-tet”
me now:
“YOOOOOOOO”
Instead of the 12 notes that we have been listening to for 300 years this is a 19 note scale. Equal Temperament means the notes are all equally spaced. The same with the 12 note scale. He is playing a 12 note piano but the flats and sharps have two values and he must have a pedal or something to switch. You need an extra 7 notes to squeeze onto the 12 note keyboard. The other music type is "just intonation" where all the notes are pure harmonies of other notes. This is like East Indian Music. Only some notes on the 12 note scale harmonize nicely with some other notes. This just means the frequency of the note is a pure multiple like 1/2, 1/3, 1/4, 1/5. Those are played as chords in music with the left hand usually. But these harmonies are not exact because they can't be. They are just very close to exact and we can't tell the difference. But East Indian Music is exact. They use "just intonation"
No one has build a 19 note piano yet that I know of. You would have to modify the keyboard and your fingers would have trouble playing an Octave. You would maybe need an extra row of keys , or a pedal to make some keys double function.
Check out Zheanna Erose and her 31-EDO stuff. It is amazing.
@@jeffbguarinoI literally have multiple videos using a 19-TET keyboard including my Peg cover and “Diatonic Triads in 19-TET”
one beauty of this version is, when a chord is played and held, it resounds in itself much nicer!
cited this video in a microtonal music/math essay btw.
I would love to read it!
same here
more divisions of octave = more wrong notes to play in the diatonic scale
This is the most based microtonal jazz take
Once in a while, I return to 19-tet music, and oh boy, what a lovely channel you have here!
The arrangement is magnificent, I hope more people will see it
I got to admit, I like this.
YOOOOO been getting back into jazz, and been practicing this one a lot lately (12-edo). So glad youtube rec'd this one. 🤗🤗🤗
okay, I'm back. now equipped with an appropriate controller. How did you achieve 19-tet on the 12-edo keyboard???? i can see it's not a 1-to-1 note mapping. ie, your 19-edo octave isn't a 5th above the 12-edo octave.
@@G8tr1522 The pitch is edited in post. He originally just played it in 12edo
@@eboone ohhhh. interesting.
so true
The ending is so beautiful! I keep relistening to it
1:18 feels amazing!!!
Oh yes, the melting piano... lovely in spades!
Thanks for this transcription. The diminished chord at 4:00 is especially pretty; how is this a better diminished chord?? 😂
Maybe because it’s half-diminished :) great chord in 19edo
Almost just minor thirds?
It's half-diminished. Also known as a m7b5.
Amazing! What a brilliant sound
amazing
Fantastic!
sadly, the misty rendition linked in the description is dead
thanks for pointing that out, fixed :)
You are a genius! Kudos!
Edit: how are you playing in 19TET on a normal keyboard, if octaves are still normal?
I played in 12edo and edited it into 19edo in post
omfg how did u manage to tune an acoustic piano into 19-tet? Amazing!
It is an electronic piano, I couldn’t play this on an acoustic as the individual notes change constantly
@@stephenweigelso are the changes computer handled in real time ?
@@jeannotdenimes158 I played/listened in 12 and edited afterwards. There is no sophisticated playback real-time system going on, though that’s definitely something that can be arranged with software
@@stephenweigel is it possible that we could hear the original/unedited version?
@@szxcrab7782 yeah? I’d have to re-edit it together though and that’s work. It could be a good video to compare with though!
I noticed some George Shearing in there.
Ty John, that is such a compliment! :)
19edo sounds very normal but when you play chords it's just very different.
whoa i didnt you could play 19 tet songs on a retuned keyboard. i just thought maybe the notes would be too far apart lol.
this sound so cool !! edit: wow this isnt just cool its beautiful holy heck.
I think he is taking a 12 note subset from 19 tet. I don't know which subset though. If you notice, for example octaves are the same distance apart as in the 12 tet piano.
I'm impressed it sounds this good with so many accidentals, if this is truly the method he used.
@@Martin-fe3rb ohh i see so its a specific 12 note scale of 19 tey
@@nyuh I suppose, otherwise I can't explain it
Ah, I see he commented elsewhere it's actually harder than that: the same key can sound in different ways. So that's why octaves are still the same distance apart, and he can play relatively similar to the original 12-tet version.
I'm sorry if I confused you.
I think it's pretty cool, this way you can make microtonal versions of 12-tet pieces more easily, thanks to the software
@@Martin-fe3rb ah okay its more complicated. thanks for bithering to look into this :]
How can octaves work like that when the tunings all wonky
19-TET에선 double sharp가 a half tone이고, triple sharp가 a whole tone인것 아시죠?? 😊😊
yeah, that kinda bothers me with the arrangement, you'd want the backwards flat symbols to show half flats and there's specific symbols for halfsharps as well
granted there technically wouldn't be half sharps or half flats because it's 19TET so they aren't always quarter tones either
they're more like third tones but there isn't any need to notate 19-EDO with half-sharps or half-flats
ahh
on repeat for 3 day and nights now ... 🥲
what tuning system is this? 12:19 ratio of some sort... does it have a name?
19 equal divisions of octave
@@oscwavcommentaccount so there’s not a name- like just int. or hungarian minor... does stuff aside from 12-tone scales even have names? especially if used in a non-equal temperament tuning system? i’m not too familiar with microtonal stuff yet.
@@CameronMLeet i don't think equal temperaments have names. they would just be named "19 tone equal temperament" or "19 equal divisions of octave".
@@oscwavcommentaccount well it’s impossible to have a 19 tone eq. temperament scale- right?
@@oscwavcommentaccount but if i apply this to just int., i see what you mean. thank you! :)
How do you (apparently) play different notes on the same key?
I translated the midi I play into 19-tone software! That’s why many times you’ll get the impression that I’m playing the same key twice on the 12 tone keyboard but different keys on the 19 tone keyboard, because the spelling changes which note is actually played. For example, in the A and G augmented seventh chords (spelled in an inverted manner to keep notes in key), you might notice the Db-C# movement, and the Cb-B movement. When I played it in 12 I just had to play the same key in a lot of places. Hopefully this is a testament to the apparent nature of the microtonality…
@@stephenweigel but how do you map that on your midi and how do you decide which note you want to play is it with a pedal for switching it?
@@stephenweigel yeahhh, i'm gonna need all the details on that midi software stephen, lol
first
Hahahaha "The most out of tune piano"
I think your piano is out of tune
with what? ;)
It’s your ear mate, this sounds as original as it gets.
@@stephenweigelim just joshing with you