Beware, if the Diravi fluid bloc links you’ve mounted are the Moog branded, they remanufacture them without the fluid bloc elements inside, they are solid. Those are not adapted to any CX and destroy the diravi rack and pinion as unlike in a conventional steering system, the steering needs a damper to prevend the road from hitting the rack. Perhaps the most dangerous after market part available on CXs atm
I agree! I got them to my CX as well and had to order another brand instead. Those Moogs are cheaply made without the much needed rubber damping. Try to put it in a wise and compress it, there is no other damping inside of it! Because of the unforgiving nature of the DIRAVI (with 170 bars of pressure to centre the steering) something is needed to take up the force if you hit a curb stone or something to spare the steering rack to take the battering.
@@SeasideGarage The one I found with the damping was "A.B.S" brand. Maybe there is some others as well. And yeah, I used loctite also as I didn't trust the thin metal locking thing. :)
Thank you for investing in your safety. Those brake lines needed replacing. Because of the higher pressures on the system, they need to be in great shape. Nice job on the coils. Very interesting idea.
Nice work, hopefully it pays off (rust not a too big issue). One note about the handbrake: the hydraulic Citroën’s handbrakes are incredibly powerful on the front wheels (at least in my Xm, you can easily stop the car from highway speeds). There’s one gotcha: due to heating up of the disk, expanding and shrinking when cooling down, you may find your car somewhere downhill even though you parked it with the handbrake securely on! So always put it in gear!!
I'm not unsurprised by the general rusting of the underside on such an old and well used car, and I keep telling myself that much of it is not structural or dangerous in any way. However I was wondering whether cleaning it all off and undersealing it would repay the cost and effort on an old car like this. You are doing a fair bit of serious renovation on a fairly rare car that maybe deserves to be around for a lot longer than a year or so.
Good work with the hand brake. Never seen one bite at three clicks. Fresh cables probably helps a lot. Here in Sweden the MOT requires 30% reserve play when you drag the lever to the max, and I often have to explain to the personnel that the CX hand brake has a long travel compared to other cars and can be moved so it's standing almost upright. And yeah, the small pads and the mechanism requires adjustments every year or to for it to actually working. ;)
Those rear brakeline coils look about the same as those used on the 2CV's rear end (they're hidden away inside the tube the rear arms bolt onto), and from an older vid from mr. HubNut working on Elly (and breaking tools at Peak 2CV!), those are a pig to fit, because Citroen... :P
The coil is unusual ..must be there to allow the car to distort a lot in an accident ..and not leak brake fluid ..this is usual for lpg installation ..but not for brakes.
Actually 10% nickel, not zinc. Yes it does work harden but not nearly as much as copper pipes. Copper can work harden and crack when you are making flares and even from just vibration. It also looks awful!
And you dont foresee a problem with a heavy unsupported coil in the middel of the pipe, subjected to vibration, and bending forces when the rear aksel moves up and down, i would not take that chance
@@TheShamiester The reason for this on the Citroen is because it is front wheel drive and has a trailing arm rear suspension design, so when the suspension lowers after the car is parked, the wheelbase (distance between front and rear wheel centres) changes very slightly. Having the transmission and hand brake on the same axle prevents an unusual phenomenon of the drivetrain being loaded as the suspension changes height with the hand brake on. Basically, the rear wheels can roll a small distance as the suspension changes height. This effect is even more clear on some Citroens that have trailing arm and leading arm suspension at different ends of the car. Also, front wheel hand brakes are very efficient so can be used as a genuine emergency brake to efficiently stop the vehicle from speed in a much shorter distance than relatively weaker rear hand brakes.
@@TheShamiester In REVERSE! Actually, all joking aside, I have never been so scared as I was in my CX when reversing quite fast and the front wheels broke traction causing me to lift off sharply which only made it worse. The car became quite unstable and very much wanted to spin. Of course the 70% front weight distribution made it like a massive pendulum when that happened. Think like those Mustang videos you see all the time...
Beware, if the Diravi fluid bloc links you’ve mounted are the Moog branded, they remanufacture them without the fluid bloc elements inside, they are solid. Those are not adapted to any CX and destroy the diravi rack and pinion as unlike in a conventional steering system, the steering needs a damper to prevend the road from hitting the rack. Perhaps the most dangerous after market part available on CXs atm
I agree! I got them to my CX as well and had to order another brand instead. Those Moogs are cheaply made without the much needed rubber damping. Try to put it in a wise and compress it, there is no other damping inside of it! Because of the unforgiving nature of the DIRAVI (with 170 bars of pressure to centre the steering) something is needed to take up the force if you hit a curb stone or something to spare the steering rack to take the battering.
Great input!
I replaced it with a MOOG :(.... better change it again then! I told you I would regret the locktite! haha!
do you know if the SIDEM part got the dampening?
@@SeasideGarage The one I found with the damping was "A.B.S" brand. Maybe there is some others as well. And yeah, I used loctite also as I didn't trust the thin metal locking thing. :)
Hi, well done . You are becoming a Citroen expert now, and people will be looking to your channel here for reference purposes. Many thanks from UK.
@11:00 CXbasis sell stainless sets of lines but like anything from them it wont be cheap lol
Minimum order value is also 40 Euros, so you end up ordering more stuff to make a total of at least 40 🤷♂️
Thank you for investing in your safety. Those brake lines needed replacing. Because of the higher pressures on the system, they need to be in great shape. Nice job on the coils. Very interesting idea.
interesting steering wheel on the wall at 13:02 :D
Loving this project. Such a cool car. Can't wait to see it drive. We'll done 😊
A major step forward now that you have sorted the brakes. Well done.
If it looks like any other car part then it's not a Citroën part. Weird and wonderful.
Nice work, hopefully it pays off (rust not a too big issue). One note about the handbrake: the hydraulic Citroën’s handbrakes are incredibly powerful on the front wheels (at least in my Xm, you can easily stop the car from highway speeds). There’s one gotcha: due to heating up of the disk, expanding and shrinking when cooling down, you may find your car somewhere downhill even though you parked it with the handbrake securely on! So always put it in gear!!
I'm not unsurprised by the general rusting of the underside on such an old and well used car, and I keep telling myself that much of it is not structural or dangerous in any way. However I was wondering whether cleaning it all off and undersealing it would repay the cost and effort on an old car like this. You are doing a fair bit of serious renovation on a fairly rare car that maybe deserves to be around for a lot longer than a year or so.
I find it hard to find the point where you stop putting in new parts.. but I also had a 7 year old Peugeot that looked about as rusty as this car...
Good work with the hand brake. Never seen one bite at three clicks. Fresh cables probably helps a lot. Here in Sweden the MOT requires 30% reserve play when you drag the lever to the max, and I often have to explain to the personnel that the CX hand brake has a long travel compared to other cars and can be moved so it's standing almost upright. And yeah, the small pads and the mechanism requires adjustments every year or to for it to actually working. ;)
Its seems to work quite good!
Great to get to know the ins and outs of the Citroën CX. I love your videos. You're doing great
Thank you for preserving this great motor !
I love the making of the rear coiled brake pipes I have been lucky that they were already replaced on every 2cv I have had . Great work as usual Seppo
Those rear brakeline coils look about the same as those used on the 2CV's rear end (they're hidden away inside the tube the rear arms bolt onto), and from an older vid from mr. HubNut working on Elly (and breaking tools at Peak 2CV!), those are a pig to fit, because Citroen... :P
Is going to be an awesome winter car
Good work, I love these old Citroens 👍
Thanks
Bonjour et bienvenue au Garage en bord de mer 😂
I bring my Cx Prestige to you !
I have never seen hand brake actuated front emergency brakes.
Got at least 4 cars currently with that setup :D
Just realised that the handbrake works on the front wheels .. unusual
Not in my collection! :P
The coil is unusual ..must be there to allow the car to distort a lot in an accident ..and not leak brake fluid ..this is usual for lpg installation ..but not for brakes.
Not quite. He mentioned the reason for the coils in the video.
\Great video
Can you tell me the make of the brake flaring tool please
Might be Wrights Auto Supply for Citroen or Automec.
Dont know the name.. sorry
Using copper brake lines at the rear axsel could be a problem, because they work harden and breaks
By the colour it looks as if Kunifer tubing was used. That's the way to go now days.
Kunifer is 90% copper with 10%zink And it still work hardens
Actually 10% nickel, not zinc. Yes it does work harden but not nearly as much as copper pipes. Copper can work harden and crack when you are making flares and even from just vibration. It also looks awful!
And you dont foresee a problem with a heavy unsupported coil in the middel of the pipe, subjected to vibration, and bending forces when the rear aksel moves up and down, i would not take that chance
@@mortenvigjensen4194You may be right in principle. But it does not seem to be a problem in that particular application.
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The handbrake is on the front brakes…wth
hehe currently I own a lot of cars with that setup :D
@@SeasideGarage must be a French thing xD
@@TheShamiester The reason for this on the Citroen is because it is front wheel drive and has a trailing arm rear suspension design, so when the suspension lowers after the car is parked, the wheelbase (distance between front and rear wheel centres) changes very slightly. Having the transmission and hand brake on the same axle prevents an unusual phenomenon of the drivetrain being loaded as the suspension changes height with the hand brake on. Basically, the rear wheels can roll a small distance as the suspension changes height.
This effect is even more clear on some Citroens that have trailing arm and leading arm suspension at different ends of the car.
Also, front wheel hand brakes are very efficient so can be used as a genuine emergency brake to efficiently stop the vehicle from speed in a much shorter distance than relatively weaker rear hand brakes.
@@jncg2311 that’s cool and all but how am I supposed to do hand brake slides now? 🤣
@@TheShamiester In REVERSE!
Actually, all joking aside, I have never been so scared as I was in my CX when reversing quite fast and the front wheels broke traction causing me to lift off sharply which only made it worse. The car became quite unstable and very much wanted to spin. Of course the 70% front weight distribution made it like a massive pendulum when that happened. Think like those Mustang videos you see all the time...
Firsr class as always