Lock picking and opening a quad/scooter key switch.
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 1 ม.ค. 2021
- The final component from the cheap eBay quad/scooter wiring loom. It's the key switch that is mostly a visual deterrent to the casual thief.
Before opening it to look at its construction I decided to do a "lock picking lawyer" and have a go at picking it first.
Here's a link to the lock picking lawyer's channel:-
/ @lockpickinglawyer
A professional would bypass something like this very easily at an electrical level.
One of the best things to do for security could be adding a simple hidden switch across the kill circuit elsewhere on the bike. Even with the key switch bypassed or unplugged, the bike would only be able to be started by turning the secret killswitch off.
I'm almost sad that I've taken apart the last component on the wiring loom. It was a lot of fun reverse engineering all the components.
For those asking about the cable, it does appear to be copper, and while not being a high current wire (other than the starter cables) it is probably adequate for the job.
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5:30 I've got a click out of.... all of them.
LPL and Bosnian Bill will be proud of you!
I am a subscriber to both their channels. They're obviously more widely famous than I thought.
@@brian9731 well, in my experience the people who follow one channel i watch often follow most of the channels I watch.
There is something that ties them all together.
Other channels this group follows include Naomi Wu's Sexy Cyborg, Tod Cutler's Tod's Workshop, various PBS channels.
Basically its everything that's fun.
Click out of 1
LPL, BigClive, Franlab, Mr. Carlson's and Forgotten Weapons all take different things to bits on my favs...
@@QlueDuPlessis I follow none of those, but in addition to watching Clive and LPL, I watch Tom Scott, Nilered/Nileblue, Thunderf00t, Cody'slab, Pewdiepie, Nexpo and Corpse Husband.
I was expecting him to return with a screwdriver instead of an actual lockpicking set.
I was expecting a hammer!
I was expecting the Vice of Knowledge..
I was expecting a Dremel!
Since he had the lock picking set handy it was purely a time saving measure to use it. He might have hade to call in Tony Robinson and his team to excavate the other things you guys suggested..
For a second I thought this was a LockPickingLawyer video and was confused as to what could possibly make a scooter key switch so pick resistant that would warrant a 7 minute video.
LPL would have just used a wafer jiggler and the actual "picking" would have taken about half a second. He'd then spend a minute or so ragging on the awful lock.
"I'll get my lock-pick set, one moment please..." I was expecting to see a hammer!
"a hammer", you mean Clive's X-ray machine for seeing inside things.
a hammer and then a Jeremy Clackson style opening !!
I thought Vice
Vise of Knowledge
I thought a large screwdriver of prying, or a drill. I guess since those large mits of his have the dexterity to solder surface mount components, they can manage lockpicking too.
Oh wow, a 7 minute LPL video, the lock must be amazing...
WAAAIT A SECOND!!!!! :P
Yup, I had a double take too...
The moment when the lock cylinder rotates - you can almost hear LPL's "and, we're open!". Good to see BC buys his picks from BangGood too!! :-D
Yeah. If it had been a proper LPL video I'd have been done in a minute. I should learn from his mini-video expertise.
Well, the lock or the system isn't secure, but, to be fair, if your bike were equipped with this loom, nobody would want to steal it anyway.
My first Chinese moped the first week someone tried to steal it. Though I did learn a lot from that moped.
Actually this is a fairly standard arrangement on a lot of bikes / scooters / moped / etc. Many (if not most of them) can be kickstarted after simply disconnecting the ignition switch, which opens the circuit between ignition and ground. You won't have working lights, indicators, horn, electric starter, etc. And you may have to also defeat a steering lock, but it'll drive just fine otherwise.
I've spent some time in Taiwan and it seems that *everyone* has a scooter over there... The vast majority of them seem to be made by the local manufacturer Kymco and quite often they are gray in color. The best defense against getting your bike stolen is to park it among a group of bikes that look just like it so the odds of a thief randomly choosing yours is less... :) Of course, one problem with this is that you might misplace your own bike when you do that... I ended up misplacing the scooter I was renting and spent a couple of hours walking back and forth down the streets near where I parked it while trying to find it... I eventually narrowed it down to a 4x4 block area and just sequentially went down every street (N-S and E-W), looking at every license plate to see if it matched the number on my key chain...
@@jakeblanton6853 maybe tie a weird coloured scarf to it next time, or make a note of something striking on the street where you left it.
@@penfold7800 -- After that experience, I started setting a GPS marker on where I parked the scooter and took photos of the surrounding area and the nearest street sign so that if I lost it again, I at least had a *chance* of getting closer to it before having to do the sequential search... With a 4x4 block area that I had narrowed it down to, that mean that there both sides of 10 street that I needed to search and each street was 4 blocks long. Yeah, I learned a lesson from that experience... Of course, not ALL of the blocks were wall to wall scooters the entire length of the block on both sides, but often there were nearly a full block on one side and a good portion on the other side... I would have to go look at my records, but I suspect this was back in 2016... It was a fun trip though... I would drop my wife off to the thing she was doing for the entire day with the other old ladies who had come there for the same thing and then just start riding the scooter to see where I ended up -- sometimes in the mountains, sometimes in some remote part of the city... And then use Google Maps and the GPS on the phone to find my way back... I avoided all the typical tourist areas if at all possible, although I might have stumbled across a few just by accident... Drank a lot of beer -- nearly all of it crappy other than one particular craft brewery pub that was owned by an American (IIRC) ex-pat...If it wasn't for this COVID nonsense, I would have no problem going back there for another month and scootering around for the entire time (assuming my wife had some old-lady-stuff to keep her occupied with)... :) The advantage of being financially secure and retired -- you don't give a fuck about anything anymore and just want to enjoy what little time you have left before the final dirt nap...
1:44 "I'm gonna go and get the tool that Bosnian Bill and I made"? :D
LOL. made me chuckle
Classic line. or as LPL would say "...and have a nice day".
Waiting for "well, this is a simple wafer lock core, with no security features", or maybe better still - "this is a Chinese copy of a Master Lock core, and susceptible to both a wave rake and comb pick attack" . . . . .
Half expected him saying, 'I've got a click out of one.'
Click off one, nothing on two, binding on three. Or in the case of master lock; and I've picked it open with my note book...
The lock picking bear
Bosnianclive
@@horrovac lock picken 'lectrician
LPL + BB = LPB
@@horrovac mm
@@horrovac ..
Waiting for the LPL / Bosnian Bill / Big Clive joint effort - breaking into an alarmed, "secure" facility - BB builds the tools, LPL picks the locks, and BC "disables" the Chinese alarm system (complete with capacitor dropper power supply). Now, THAT would certainly be "Quality Entertainment" for everyone!
BC "takes it to bits" but needs "one moment please".
All the while Alec (Technology Connections) would be going on about the Chevvy Volt that drove them there and how many miles they have left on the battery
Ehm guys don't forget Jerryrigeverything disassembling the alarm "and the connector like a little lego"
Oceans 3 🤔
Yes we should make this happen!
I want to see a novice try to go up against the pros. ;)
I like how all of us are subscribed to the same list of epic youtubers!
"This is the lockpicking Manx"
Mmm.. I've just been watching a bunch of LPL videos. This was pleasing.
"Lost my scooter keys"
Google: Here's a list of certified locksmiths.
Bing:
HAHAH OMG "its all poured out" and here Im picturing the LPL "Noooooooooooo" at the screen
In a recent video from the LockLab Bosnian Bill took apart a Bluetooth controlled key safe, in the comments people suggest that he send the electrics for analysis to you 👍
Absolutely love how informative Lock Picking Lawyers channel is. Awesome to know that you're as fascinated with his content as I am... Long live LPL
I have been waiting for a vid where a thing under investigation spontaneously turns into a pile of springamathings widgets and ball bearings for ages. And HERE IT IS
Thats a MasterLock Level 8!
Lock picking Clive with "gentle" pressure... Bosnian bill would call that bullying..
First Bosnian Bill now Clydside Clive!
Great vid again and nice to see some picking.
We have a big picking community here in the UK.
Two of my favorite things in one video.
Thanks Clive.👍🏼👍🏼
I clicked on this video thinking it was LPL, and I damn near shat myself when a deep booming voice greeted me!
A huge amount of youth are staring at this in amazement that you actually have to put a key in to start it?
When you pulled the cylinder and all the springs and wafers rained out it made me smile. A couple years ago our name-brand front door electronic keypad lock broke and the manufacturer mailed me a new one under warranty. Swapping the keyed cylinder would have been a simple couple minute job if I hadn't let my curiosity take control. I pulled the retaining clip off the front of the cylinder it and when I pulled it out all the springs and pins rained down onto my table, just as in your video. What would have been a quick no-cost homeowner installation job turned into a $100+ mobile locksmith call to have the new cylinder re-keyed. One does learn by doing though ;-)
Well done. I wish I'd seen this before I had to figure out the wiring on my GY6 CCS (Cheap Chinese Scooter). The hardest part was realizing that turning the key off *closes* a connection.
BTW, scooter key switches often have a steering interlock to prevent you from doing anything but going around in circles. You have to take out 3 or 4 bolts to bypass that.
Great to know. Have friends with quads that just bust the lock out and jump out the key start. Thank you for the video. Happy New Year
You know you watch too much LPL when you look at the key and go "Yup, that's a wafer lock, we're going to use our trusted rake and get it open faster than with the key"
I've watched very little LPL, and I saw the key and thought "wafer".
I've picked enough of them to know is all.
LPT: Some of those locks can be opened with a scissor blade or just a thin flat piece of metal just by pushing on the pins. This is usually standard for cheap mailbox locks and desk locks. Even some lockers and "safes" use these cheap locks because the are extremely easy to get and look fairly secure while also having a small form. These locks are known as waffer locks and they are easily some of the weakest out there mainly because most designs utilities 3-4 pins which don't have security pins underneath them which makes it easy just to push down all the pins and open the locking mechanism.
That is actually surprisingly good...I expected the lock to turn as soon as you got the tensioner in before prodding at all.
I have been watching a guy who picks locks so this was surprise to see you picking locks!
I gotta remember to turn off the subwoofer when watching bigclive.
Why
Trust Big Clive to link my love of electronics and lock picking! Love it!
BigClive, you might also find the internal mechanics of a bike key switch for a Yamaha Virago interesting - beside the on and off positions it also has a "push in and turn" action for lights only, with some moderately elaborate internal gubbinry to activate/deactivate it. It certainly left an impression on me - it's much more complicated than some simple warding or cam path. Surely also other bikes have similar key switches but I have no idea which ones...
As a lock picker myself I’m pretty impressed. If I had to pick a keyswitch I’d go with an Assa abloy one containing either a Medeco or an Abloy, I actually have a medeco one, you usually find medeco’s anywhere where there is a lot of cash, like cash registers, vending machines, and other things of that sort.
*PLEASE HELP* ! Can anyone link me to a cheap lock picking kit so I can retrieve the key I accidentally shut under the seat of my puma valentine 150cc moped???? :-(
I was hoping for an ionizer! :-) Keep doing what you want to, it's always fun to watch your vids!
as soon as i saw this video i thought it was lock picking lawyer, then i saw it was from clive and i knew 2021 was going to be another interesting one
a collab with lpl would be absolutely amazing
since they don't tend to show their face and you tend to just show what you are working with
Great video I really enjoyed it👍
Gives you a valid insight into how misleading the "lock" is on an expensive bit of personal property that is often left for hours on end in the street....last time Big C picked(what we call in the UK a Yale) lock he used a couple of paper clips, he could have done the same this time...thieves ain't gonna be that polite...they'll cut and bump and be away....manufacturers put this TOTALLY inadequate "on off switch", call it a lock...DON'T BE FOOLED!! Great Big Clive short....big BIG shout to Lockpicking Lawyer & Bosnian Bill too👉🇬🇧👈👉💎👈👉😷👈
that electronically induced metal ringing sound
im going crazy
I enjoyed it.
Thinking about it, I bet you could cook up an interesting lock challenge for LPL and BosnianBIll, some sort of self-soldering or galvanic lock that can only be opened with a high voltage key ... or something else clever and electrically related.
I think bosnianbill would classify that gutting as a disaster.
Good fun! Thanks for sharing, that wiring harness gave us all a lot of amusement!
Wonder if they've got Chinese harnesses for cars and airplanes too!
Clive, you even have the soothing voice! Lol.
1:35 Hey @bigclivedotcom, I was not aware that your abilities included lock picking! Well done my good sir!
I thought I clicked LPL video and then i was like wait a minute, Its BigClive xD
Exactly what I needed, thanks!
Best video on this thanks man!
That switch is the exact same switch I needed for MY Chinese 250cc quad. Frustrating to see it destroyed. On the other hand, now I at least know the wiring breakdown and can fit ANY switch.😎
We did exactly that on high school with our classmate's Puch Maxi. Disconnect the ignition switch and start the engine with the kickstarter. But we did not drive it, we just waited for him to see his surprised face when his engine was already running.
Lockpicking lawyer should do a voice over on this 😂👍! Do it for the internet.
A simple raking attack is all that’s usually needed to pick these, although I have run into wafor locks that I’ve needed to SPP. SPPing and raking are what set amateur pickers and professional pickers apart, as a practicing locksmith, I can SPP standard pin tumbler locks pretty easily. You should check out Locknoob he’s the UK version of LPL and BB.
It doesn't have pins, it's a wafer lock. It has wafers. Interesting the pick that you use is the same shape on the end as the wafer rake pick that I use on these (from the cheap Chinese GoSo set). Nice quick pick though. I never considered how useful lockpicking skills would be to an electrician. It's a very useful skill to have. It would save a lot of destructive entry to get in to machinery control boxes. Glad to see you're taking every opportunity to practice, and learn just how junk some locks really are. I bet you're kicking yourself about past experiences now! Lol.
The proper way to take it apart is to use a follower at the rear of the lock. It's basically just a 1/2 inch plastic tube the same size as the inside of the lock and when it follows it the outter part of the lock is held together. Then the middle cylinder can be removed and worked on. Which is usually done to rekey. I've rekeyed a lot of locks & been doing it for decades now.
Oh that made my day. A lil bit of Clive mixed with LPL.
video I’ve been lookin go for 👍🏽
You are amazing. Love your videos.
I was actually disappointed you didn’t start with “This is the Lock Picking Lawyer and today...” 😁
"… I was going to try picking this 'high-security' padlock, but it's apparently been so intimidated by the sound of my voice it has spontaneously opened its shackle before I could pick it up. In any case, that's all I've got for you today".
i had a peugoet buxy scooter/moped, and that thing would start with the kickstart if you removed the cable going into the ignition...
so safe lol (a honda vision has the same problem i believe)
I have a Peugeot Rapido, which is based on the slightly older Honda Vision, and can confirm that this works lol
Clive was in that lock faster than LPL can undo some ducktape 🤣😂
Gotta love that One-Push Disassembly Button.
I have a can am quad, used a RFID key that snaps on the ignition ball switch. Different programming for different keys change engine and transmission settings.
That opens like a Master lock.
that's a wafer lock :D good job raking it
Clive that is the same way a magneto on a small aircraft works. But in the aircraft it is referred to as the "P" lead. Just take the wire to ground and you won't get any spark.
@Curtis Webster Bosnian Bill's accent changed
Surprised how easy that was
Always nice these last 5 seconds: "Well there we go" (it's broke again.....).
Many years ago I got my hands on a similar lock, it was very easy to pick (just standard wafers, raked it in one second). But even more interesting was the fact that the contacts were connected to the lock body, you could simply put a piece of metal (I used a small screwdriver) straight into the lock until it bottomed out and tilt it to the side and the circuit was complete, starting the engine (or whatever you connect it to).
Done that style of lock using nothing more than 2 paper clips, they are not secure at all. Amazing just how many things use that style of 4 wafer lock, and how easy they are to pick that often it is faster to pick it than to find the key on a big bunch.
These are quite fun little switches. Something so simple is so interesting. Thanks for taking it to bits for us. Our little one uses the same key for her motorized dirt bike. Do you know where I can get a second spare key?
A key cutter may be able to copy one, but it might not be a standard shape.
The lock itself seems to be made of plastic as well, so a big screwdriver and a good turn is just as good as the key! How nice of them to be so accommodating to forgetful users.
I thought this was the lock picking lawyer until I saw the multimeter
It used to be that anyone who wanted to steal Toyota pickup trucks would carry a spare ignition switch and a Slim Jim with them. After opening the door with the Slim Jim, they would reach behind the dash, unplug the ignition switch, and plug in their own, and off they'd go. No picking, no hot wiring.
Many scooters and cycles have very cheap ignition locks. Usually very easy to fit keys to them.
Big Clive picking locks? This is the last channel I was expecting to find this.
But seemingly everyone in his comment section also knows LPL and Bosnian Bill.
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@@bigclivedotcom Nice
I am guilty of not reading and thought this would be a LPL video lol
Happy New Year BigClive! Need help to repair my powertool. Could you please suggest which moderately priced 5S (18 volts) BMS is available? Is it possible to use a 6/7/8S Bms for 5S? Thanks.
I did it once, the pins scattered over the floor haha 😊i love doing it to see how things are made lol😂 my mom was always upset with me when kid
You should have done a quick lock picking lawyer parody then.."one is binding, a click out of two, nothing on three a click on four and we're in" LOL
After seeing this video, I think I now know what classic character Clive would "pick" if he played Dungeons & Dragons. 🤔😁
Kind of like when I grabbed my keys the other day, but I got the wrong set. Without thinking about it I stuck the Jeep key into a Chevy, and it started. LOL!
Excellent and interesting video as usual. BTY Poundland have just started to sell WiFi controlled power plugs £7 each!!
I almost bought one, but am not a fan of IOT stuff.
@@bigclivedotcom I have the same thoughts :)
"This is the LockPickingClive and what I have for you is.... and it's open. Anyways, that's all for today"
damn, LPL may have actually taken more time and avoided that exploit for a video, but yea not secure at all
love your vids BigClive
also love LPL
Hi Clive, I have a problem. I have 4 MK fused spurs that the neons have failed, and cannot get spares. Any suggestions please
the quad and scoters this switch is meant for wont bump start due to them being cv transmission
I love picking locks. I've spent far too much on the hobby.
He should have gone LPL all the way "What I have for you today is..." "that's all I have for you today..." etc :)
"OK, folks..."
@@jaymzx0 "Ok folks" ? That's the idiom Bosnian Bill and I made!
As its got a plastic barrel I expect, given enough force, that any large screwdriver would work as a key as well.
big clive takes on the lock picking lawyer lol
Does the high voltage really go to an alternator? would have thought magneto.
Bizarre, not only myself but a couple of other people watched a Bosnian Bill (another lockpicker who has designed tools with LPL) vid the other day, commenting he should send the insides of an electronic lock he dismantled to you, as he doesn't do electronics and here you are raking a lock open quicker than a cheap Master Lock.
LPL. You need to do a follow up video........
next week lockpicking lawyer will show up with a soldering iron, it's too late to go back now.
Hey boss I ordered a stealth bomber bike from ali baba the ignition lock all the plastic around it broke off and I can't fit the ignition through the hole it's insecure what should I do
It may be easier to get a new assembly.
incoming dmca from the lockpicking lawyer ;)
LPL's disassemblies are typically a bit more controlled
Highly amusing video
Looks like it'd be faster to pick this than mess around with unplugging the wiring.
If I want bypass the switch, I need disconnect the plug and jump red and black cable?