For the record, this is an AMAZING piece of engineering and the GTX 1650 is pretty impressive for gaming on such a compact notebook.....BUT. But using an Ice Lake CPU instead of Comet Lake with a discrete GPU cripples performance. :(
I'm hoping that once Intel XTU gets updated for 10th gen, it'll be possible to push the CPU to the 25W spec. Cooling doesn't seem to be an issue even when the 1650 and 15W Ice Lake are fully loaded... just feels like there's certainly some headroom left.
Did you check the power draw with a Wall monitor, or a Type-C monitor? I would bet that this is being gimped by cutting out a ton of power the power budget for that 1650 on a 100W hard cap.
Realistically, I'd use this laptop to drive larger monitors when I'm home, for programming and small game design (programming, mostly) while using the desktop for remote rendering and actual work. This laptop is my dream boat. I don't understand why reviewers are taking these laptops as solo devices. Tell me which techie relies on a single computer and is efficient? UE4, Unity, Houdini, Autodesk software, all support remote rendering. Programming through cloud/cli and file management. Why would you not be using a cheaper desktop and a cheaper laptop to manage files in synchronization, like a modular server setup.
@@jimemmonstein847 there is nothing wrong witth that 10th gen ultrabook processor. you can tell im typing on the blade 15. lol terrible keyboard. make sure to always keep that razer synapse pos garbage off your laptop.
do you have the loose usb c port issue? i went through hell in september with having two defective stealths of that model because of loose usb c. only just now getting the refund :/
@@scuba5k I think WOW should be playable, unless you want to play with the highest graphic setting. I play Overwatch with medium setting, and it can hold 60 fps very stable. The thermal is acceptable, and fan noise is quieter than expected.
@@Nes924 I was going to get an i7 XPS 13 with 16gb memory, 512gb ssd, and 1080p screen and that goes for 1500. For a +300 cost, I got a GPU. I could see it for 100 to 150 less but anything more is outrageous.
@@seanspradlin5306 I picked mine up from microsoft with a student discount for 1600, plus, for an extra 200 I got a four year warranty that I can use through microsoft, so I dont have to bother with razer's customer service.
So about 6 months ago I purchased the mx150 version of the blade stealth and boy am I happy to watch this. I was so worried that I had made the wrong choice and that I was going to regret not waiting for this, turns out I was right. I game at home but need my laptop during the day for work and couldn't afford to have a dedicated laptop and gaming pc. Alongside the mx150 I bought a core x and radeon 5700 and all I can say is wow!!!! I get the performance I need, with the whiskey lake processor and then a decent graphics card this thing flys. I watched your reviews of both the previous blade and razr core x which is ultimately what made me buy them. So thank you, I'm happy you are not happy, if that makes sense
The icelake CPU can actually be set to perform better than your test results. By accessing device manager and disabling the nvidia GTX 1650 max q GPU, the pl1 of the CPU increase from 15W to 25W, with pl2 going as high as 45W in my laptop. I was able to get 1630 in cinebench r20 with the CPU running between 2.6 - 2.7Ghz. I still cannot hit 3.5Ghz consistently at 100% CPU load though :( . Maybe a bios unlock can help to change the pl1 of the CPU.
@@kevinzyrkowski htz and FPS are different things. your monitor likely runs at 60htz, and yes, that can become hard on the eyes after time spent gaming. its not a spoiled thing. TV's are generaly set to 60Hz, gaming monitors are generally 75+. FPS are how many frames your game runs at, not the monitor itself.
@@unseeninja what he's saying is that the reviewer is bemoaning a 60fps cap due to the 60hz screen limitation while he's stuck at 30 regardless of what moniter he's using to the gpu limitation.
Recently got a deal on amazon, $300 off the GTX model. Always wanted a powerful windows laptop in a MacBook-like form factor, really loving it 🥰 The trackpad is “nearly” as good as the one on the MacBook Pro 13 I just ditched, aside from the fact that you can still click only on the bottom part 😩 I really wish it had better speakers though. Speakers are loud enough but sound thin and unpleasant compared to the MacBooks, something else like the Asus Zephyrus laptops, or even an iPad Pro.
Nice in depth video. I'm currently using the late 2017 (?) Razer Blade Stealth and I'm due for an upgrade. My concern now (especially aftering seeing your video) is if I should upgrade to the early 2019 MX150 model or the GTX1650. I don't know how much of an upgrade the MX150 is to my integrated intel graphics, and I'm really looking to get better/smoother performance for casual gaming as well as quicker photo editing. What would you suggest?
After Dave2D pointed out how they weren't exactly up front about the 1650 being a Max Q variant I'm glad they fixed it. Curious why they didn't want that info out there from the jump though, seeing as they want almost 2k for it.
This is why you should only consider the 25W version (Mercury White one) with the iGPU. It runs at much higher speeds and the new iGPU is not bad. The 15W version of the 1065G7 is too power-constrained. If you want serious gaming, get the 15" or an external GPU.
Interesting find in the benchmarks Ebert. I enjoyed this about the video for sure. I wonder if a follow up video is in order when “these issues” are fixed?
Coming from watching Microsoft surface laptop videos where an ice lake i7, 16gb ram, and 256gb ssd costs $18000, this blade seems pretty good relatively price wise...
Good video and thank you for the benchmark comparison to the MX150 model. You just made a big error by not comparing the cTDP of the IceLake with just 15W and the older i7 Model, which can use up to 25W, thus increasing the boost clocks by much more obviously. Which then also equals to more heat and less battery life.
Did your model have ghosting on the display screen? Wondering if thats a defect or randomly. Even my 2017 14 inch blade doesn't have this issue. Feels like its a 2009 screen than a 2019. Whacked for a 1800 dollar laptop
So, the price per performance isn't great. I got mine for free, I like small form factor and highly powered devices as I spent a lot of time mobile rather than at home. The only other laptop that even remotely competes with this is the MSI prestige 14in. I have the razerblade 13inch 1650 and have not even opened the box, it was a gift. Is it not worth keeping?
Really nice review! Have you tried to charge this laptop with 65 watt adapter from previous generation (or any other type-c 65 watt charger). Would be great if it could do so and save a lots of space during the travels
To clarify, i have this laptop and the cpu only gets it full power when you disable the gtx 1650 in device manager. R15 scores 822 and R20 scores 1877 with undervolting -45mv via Throttlestop. This cpu is 10%-15% more powerful than the previous gen.
they might in other reviews, but since this has a solid discrete GPU it doesn't really make sense to test it here. Yet another reason Razer should have used Comet Lake.
Just bought one of these myself. Should fit what I was looking for perfectly. I'll have to run your benchmark number against mine. Some seemed higher and some lower.
We need to see what the power limits are for the Icelake version compared to the Whiskey Lake version. It's possible that Razer has lowered the power limits for the CPU to dedicate more of the power/thermal budget to the GTX 1650. You aren't hitting 2.9Ghz all-core on Whiskey Lake at the 15W TFP, which suggests that Razer has been aggressive with the power targets on the Whiskey Lake variant. From my testing on my Surface Pro 7, to hit 2.9Ghz all core you need about 25-35W depending on how heavy the workload is. For AVX-512 software, power is even higher (or clocks are lower), which makes sense because AVX-512 does (roughly speaking) double the work per instruction. Overall Icelake is just OK on the CPU side. Comet Lake on 14++ has more cores and is going to be faster for CPU bound workloads in most cases. The real benefit of Icelake is the new Gen 11 GPU, which is significantly better, and AVX-512 if your applications can support it.
Wait, you compare the 15W 10th gen version with the 25W 8th gen? And it turns out that the clock speed is lower, performance is worse but it has a better battery life? Or is it 15W vs 15W Version? I don't get it. If so, then yes, the 10th gen (10nm) would be a mistake to buy.
So would the base model perform better with an eGPU since it uses the 25w chip? Also add me to the list hoping for a review of that mercury white beauty 😍
Great review! Thx for pointing out the weakness of Intel‘s much expected next generation. I will stay with my i7500 Blade stealth, which sports the 3200x1800 Resolution plus a512GB SSD.
According to the test made by others, at same performance standard, ice lake runs with lower clock rate and lower power consumption. So ice lake is good choice if you really want to do the job with more battery life and cooler temperatures. Not all the people really care about the peak performance. It's a shame that you don't understand this.
Tbh I disagree, I think ice lake was a good choice that allowed them to put in a better GPU with better overall performance and battery life than previous generation while maintaining decent noise/thermals. Seems like a product that would excel as things get more optimized. Only way I would want to improve it would for there to be a one button turbo that runs the cpu at the 25w spec for additional heat and noise. Would be nice to get to choose higher performance when you want it.
I own the early 2019, its the same thing in terms of limited cpu performance. I had to follow a guide to use a modified bios to get it to use full cpu power (gets really hot!). With the modified bios I was able to get 843 in Cinebench r15 as a high and average around 810. At this price range you're better off buying an actual gaming laptop, if actually plan on gaming or do any cpu intensive tasks.
@HardwareCanucks, how would be the performance of FIFA in this laptop, and for how many years do you think this config can be utilized..... would be great if you can suggest some sub 15 " gaming laptops... i think most of the people are looking for that category.....
$1800 for low settings at 1080p in most cases sub-60fps. Wow. I really do not understand the benefit over say a 15.6inch from another brand with a I7 9750h, 1660ti and 120hz screen for a few hundred $ less. Is weight and a 2 inch smaller screen really a deal breaker? I got my custom 17.3 rtx 2070 (NOT max-q rubbish) 32gb ram, 9750h 512gb nmve for UK £1700. 144hz screen. And it still fits in my backpack. Power bricks a monster though!
While I did purchase one to go with my EGPU, I do have a blade 15, but.. I've discovered that the Blade 15's and up are just.. worthless? yes they boast some pretty beast performance, but thats only IF it'll decide to behave as the Blade 15's have this uncanny ability to hard freeze and crash frequently, heck my blade 15 has days where it'll happily run the latest games, like the new MW! but dear god, Reach? for whatever reason it'll crash. But when I switch to say my old blade stealth on the EGPU, runs smoothly, as beautifully as possible. Playing MW at 120fps constant and reach all day long. I honestly don't understand the inconsistencies, these are supposed to be premium products right? So for anyone looking at the blade 15? just buy a blade stealth and spend the rest on say an EGPU and heck, 2080ti if you really want to, you have enough! This is mostly aimed at people who don't deal with desktops.
I think this isn't a failure at all? Look at the actual render times, with the exception of blender the new system CRUSHES. The 8th gen. It's not an upgrade for everyone but if you are using premier Pro, literally halving your render time is huge.
This seems like something Razer can address with a BIOS update given the headroom that's (seemingly) there based on the CPU temps. Those clocks just don't make sense. Do you guys have the 25w Iris Plus version of the Blade Stealth on hand? How does the CPU performance compare?
It is a software issue. I have the same laptop. If you use throttle stop you can get more than 800 on cinebench 15 and the temperature doesn’t get much higher. Hopefully Razer is going to release an update so you don’t have to use throttle stop to get those results. What is weird is that if you run geekbench you get normal results, so I think the cpu is not working well with some benchmarks.
@@HardwareCanucks GTX1650 MaxQ with Comet Lake. Only a tad larger being 14" vs 13.3", but it's really not that much bigger I think. Looking forward to a comparison~
I think we've hit that "One computer per household" milestone a few years back. Perhaps it's time we consider that people already have laptops/phones/desktops and start looking at new models from that perspective. I can see why it'd be hard to nail down a target audience like that, but you're not talking to first-time buyers anymore. This model will have (probably) better cooling. But if we assume most people have a desktop (and probably another device with internet capabilities) a laptop becomes more of a side-piece. It's a device to get things done, when you want to sit on the couch, go to the office or work from home. This laptop, as most Razer laptops have been, is targeted at the gamer/prosumer crowd. It's designed as a companion to a more powerful computer; be that gaming or designing or editing. But you shouldn't be using a laptop as an editing workstation in 2019, you should realistically be using a desktop in synchronization through local wireless/ethernet. You only need to bring larger files onto your device and work in sections. Use desktop to finish/render. Is this not what you would be doing with a server at work? Why would you not recommend the regular folk do this too, setting it up isn't very difficult.
I think it's pretty good even CPU. It slows down the CPU while keeping temps down and that GPU is carrying most of the load during gaming. What's else do you want at 13 inches and in a device this slim. I find it an excellent buy. You pay premium for premium ATM.
Could the TDP of the 1065G7 be raised to 25W for sustained loads via XTU or ThrottleStop? I know many Thinkpads and other ultrabooks were capable of this for the 8th generation ULV CPUs. That may remedy some of the issues here, alongside an undervolt to keep temperatures down of course.
Can you do a MX150 version vs the 10th gen CPU only model? The CPU only model has 25W cpu. It would be nice to see the difference between MX150 + Whiskey Lake and Iris Graphic + Ice Lake
I have this laptop, the cpu runs at 25w as long as the dgpu is inactive. Now for some reason Cinebench defaults to the dgpu meaning the cpu runs at 15w for these tests . If you switch to the igpu in nvidia control panel you'll get Cinebench scores of 1800ish.
I don't understand what the issue with this CPU is. While the Synthetic tests had the new CPU close behind the old one, in both of the Adobe Premiere Pro exports the new CPU absolutely wipes the floor with the old CPU (19 minutes vs 41 minutes?!). Am I missing something?
Maybe you could've try to change the CPU TDP with Intel XTU just to see if the performance would improve with an higher TDP. Also I don't think the configuration with the 1650 Max-Q makes much sense since now Intel iGPU is supposedly much better than the past.
Hah! Everyone was complaining about temps when Razer didn't do the cooling so well because the amount of surface heat exchange area needed to be packed so tight but they (Razer) also wanted to provide similar or better performance along with not too loud default cooling fan noise settings. Now they put a lower thermal limit, people are complaining about performance. Though I'm thinking it more to mitigate the solder balls between the chips and motherboard breaking connection from the heat differences from going up and down all the time because Razer's quality control is so crap.
This machine is definitely power limit throttling thus hurting performance. If Razor issues a bios update that could help performance a lot or you could just install Throttle Stop and increase the CPU voltage a bit and try an overclock.
You can pretty much get a 2060 Blade 15 for the same price as the 1650 Stealth, which I mean I get that the 13" is small but its not like a Blade 15 is a chunky product. And it would be 60hz (I believe on Stealth) vs a 144hz on the Blade 15, both FHD. Cool product but I don't think it has a real market.
Ice Lake CPU isn't that bad tbh.. having the base model now, TDP of CPU is 25W instead of 15W (but no discrete GPU cinebench r20 score: 1560cb and after unlocked it can reach around 2100cb
these test results are conflicting with userbench and notebookcheck's. Those websites offer more robust validation of performance IMO. Also, the clock speed comparison is not apples to apples due to new vs. old tech being compared.
Ugh. I share your opinion on the keyboard. Surfaces got it right. It's the main reason I haven't bought any of the newest crop of Razer's. Long live the last 14". Just for the keyboard. Until then, I'm side eyeing the alienware m15...
Because of all the random stories about Razer laptops failing completely outside of warranty. They have scared me off from buying. And I’ve wanted one since 2013
I think the new MSI 15 A10SC-012 - Prestige is more reasonable because the 1065G7 has better graphics so the gtx 1650 is kinda redundant but the prestige combines it with the new 6-core 10710U and a GTX 1650 which destroys everything whilst being slim and cool.
typing this comment from that laptop rn :) its a really good buy, especially if you hate the tacky and flashy gaming laptops. excellent on the battery too. my only gripe is the build quality, but im super picky about that stuff.
🙋 Hello, I really liked your review of the razer blade stealth 2019. And it made me want to buy it now, but I have the doubt if it works well in the virtualization of operating systems. I don't know what the performance is when virtualizing using VirtualBox. My job as a developer demands that I use that application and I'm from Peru so I will have to import the equipment and I don't want to make a bad decision. Please. Help me. 🙏🙏 I would be very helpful if you tell me what the performance in virtualization is. Thank you.
This is not a workstation grade machine that will be good for serious VM use. I deal with several VMs for school and would not recommend any machine without multiple storage drives and upgradable RAM. Also, cores count. I had a good experience with an Alienware 15R3, and now I have an Aorus 15.
i really was waiting your review i know that we don't have to do that but i hope u see my comment just go download throttle stop or xtu give it an under volting of -0.1 or -0.125 go to power planes on windows and create a performance plane and if that didn't work try to increase the power limit with help of xtu or throttle stop and see that it will boost until it thermal throttles
Do you have to play on lower settings and what frame rates are you getting? Looking for something do run WoW and less demanding games on the go as well :)
Fredrik Jonsson when I play classic I have it set to 3 on the graphic settings and lock my FPS at 60. Run great fan doesn’t really kick in. And it stays cool.
For the record, this is an AMAZING piece of engineering and the GTX 1650 is pretty impressive for gaming on such a compact notebook.....BUT. But using an Ice Lake CPU instead of Comet Lake with a discrete GPU cripples performance. :(
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@@arifilhan9308 Yes.
I'm hoping that once Intel XTU gets updated for 10th gen, it'll be possible to push the CPU to the 25W spec. Cooling doesn't seem to be an issue even when the 1650 and 15W Ice Lake are fully loaded... just feels like there's certainly some headroom left.
Did you check the power draw with a Wall monitor, or a Type-C monitor? I would bet that this is being gimped by cutting out a ton of power the power budget for that 1650 on a 100W hard cap.
Duncan Hansel I was only able to get spikes to 80W as measured inline USB-C. FurMark and cinebench running concurrently with max display brightness
So to form it in one sentence:
GPU YAY,
ice lake cpu NAY
maybe it's just the TDP
Say hello to longevity and heat control in the 10th gen version.
Realistically, I'd use this laptop to drive larger monitors when I'm home, for programming and small game design (programming, mostly) while using the desktop for remote rendering and actual work. This laptop is my dream boat.
I don't understand why reviewers are taking these laptops as solo devices. Tell me which techie relies on a single computer and is efficient? UE4, Unity, Houdini, Autodesk software, all support remote rendering. Programming through cloud/cli and file management. Why would you not be using a cheaper desktop and a cheaper laptop to manage files in synchronization, like a modular server setup.
You can do anything through the Cloud. Why would anyone not use a personal cloud is beyond me.
@@jimemmonstein847 there is nothing wrong witth that 10th gen ultrabook processor. you can tell im typing on the blade 15. lol terrible keyboard.
make sure to always keep that razer synapse pos garbage off your laptop.
I purchased the MX150 model from Amazon warehouse for $950 a few weeks ago. It's a open box item but just perfect for me.
do you have the loose usb c port issue? i went through hell in september with having two defective stealths of that model because of loose usb c. only just now getting the refund :/
Can the MX150 play world of Warcraft?
@@kelpygreen That's the first thing I checked when i received the laptop, the usb c ports are good on my unit.
@@scuba5k I think WOW should be playable, unless you want to play with the highest graphic setting. I play Overwatch with medium setting, and it can hold 60 fps very stable. The thermal is acceptable, and fan noise is quieter than expected.
I got the integrated graphics model for $699
Just picked one of these up and it showed up today! It's a fantastic machine for the size which is exactly what I was looking for.
The price is just to high to justify the purchase. I appreciate what Razor is trying to do here, it's just too much money for the performance.
razer just being razer
yeah way too high considering their power makes them "obsolete" so soon and you can't slap upgrades on like a desktop
Im kinda okay with price for as long as it wont break on me and last long. My laptop is already 6 six years old and it never break on me.
BTW its Razer
@Sparrow price just dropped to $999 if that makes it any better
This is the first video I watched on my new Razer Blade Stealth with GTX 1650... still pretty happy with it though.
Sean Spradlin Not worth the money imo, if it was 500 ish cheaper, would be a perfect laptop.
@@Nes924 definitely agree, really overpriced due to the lame 1080p 60hz screen
@@Nes924 I was going to get an i7 XPS 13 with 16gb memory, 512gb ssd, and 1080p screen and that goes for 1500. For a +300 cost, I got a GPU. I could see it for 100 to 150 less but anything more is outrageous.
@@seanspradlin5306 I picked mine up from microsoft with a student discount for 1600, plus, for an extra 200 I got a four year warranty that I can use through microsoft, so I dont have to bother with razer's customer service.
Sparrow Gigabyte Aeros!
Looking at the temps why is Razer limiting the CPU so much?
Also Dave2D didn‘t mention any of this in his video..
Dave's video was a PREVIEW I think. No way he woulda missed this. 👍
HardwareCanucks Did you try setting the performance manually to high in Razer Synapse? On the Blade 17 that does boost the performance a lot e.g.
@@Mutio86 Yes
T'es français ? Tu as écrit at the ''temps'' eheh
@meliohe! Hum... My bad
We need Alienware to bring back their 13 inch gaming laptops
So about 6 months ago I purchased the mx150 version of the blade stealth and boy am I happy to watch this. I was so worried that I had made the wrong choice and that I was going to regret not waiting for this, turns out I was right. I game at home but need my laptop during the day for work and couldn't afford to have a dedicated laptop and gaming pc. Alongside the mx150 I bought a core x and radeon 5700 and all I can say is wow!!!! I get the performance I need, with the whiskey lake processor and then a decent graphics card this thing flys. I watched your reviews of both the previous blade and razr core x which is ultimately what made me buy them. So thank you, I'm happy you are not happy, if that makes sense
I plan to buy this laptop not for gaming but for programming. In your tests, do you think for this purpose what would be the battery life?
You should see if you can get your hands on the late 2019 base model with the 25 watt TDP ice lake prosseser and benchmark it.
I managed to get this second hand and in near perfect condition for $1200 NZD (~$800USD) and I’ve been loving it.
Thanks for confirming my choice of ditching this for the MSI Prestige 14" Comet Lake instead!
Yeah, but that's a 14 inch screen instead of a 13 inch screen
there is some reviews from a channel called jarred it confirms that u can make the msi use 45w pl and get prefomance of cpu even with 9750h
@@pnp072000 perfect size imho. 13" is kinda small, while 15" is rather big to lug around.
How heavy the MSI is?
Ale Zuvic 1.29 kg, even lighter than the Razer
The icelake CPU can actually be set to perform better than your test results. By accessing device manager and disabling the nvidia GTX 1650 max q GPU, the pl1 of the CPU increase from 15W to 25W, with pl2 going as high as 45W in my laptop. I was able to get 1630 in cinebench r20 with the CPU running between 2.6 - 2.7Ghz. I still cannot hit 3.5Ghz consistently at 100% CPU load though :( . Maybe a bios unlock can help to change the pl1 of the CPU.
“60 htz Became a bit of an eyesore” wow people are really that spoiled
FusionTechCinema I run a laptop with a skimpy Vega 10 iGPU and barely get 30 FPS on low settings. I wish I had 60!
@@kevinzyrkowski htz and FPS are different things. your monitor likely runs at 60htz, and yes, that can become hard on the eyes after time spent gaming. its not a spoiled thing. TV's are generaly set to 60Hz, gaming monitors are generally 75+. FPS are how many frames your game runs at, not the monitor itself.
@@unseeninja what he's saying is that the reviewer is bemoaning a 60fps cap due to the 60hz screen limitation while he's stuck at 30 regardless of what moniter he's using to the gpu limitation.
FusionTechCinema ok boomer
Nah 144hz is just really cheap and accessible these days and makes 60 hz gaming look like blown out cow pussy in comparison
Recently got a deal on amazon, $300 off the GTX model. Always wanted a powerful windows laptop in a MacBook-like form factor, really loving it 🥰
The trackpad is “nearly” as good as the one on the MacBook Pro 13 I just ditched, aside from the fact that you can still click only on the bottom part 😩
I really wish it had better speakers though. Speakers are loud enough but sound thin and unpleasant compared to the MacBooks, something else like the Asus Zephyrus laptops, or even an iPad Pro.
Nice in depth video. I'm currently using the late 2017 (?) Razer Blade Stealth and I'm due for an upgrade. My concern now (especially aftering seeing your video) is if I should upgrade to the early 2019 MX150 model or the GTX1650. I don't know how much of an upgrade the MX150 is to my integrated intel graphics, and I'm really looking to get better/smoother performance for casual gaming as well as quicker photo editing. What would you suggest?
After Dave2D pointed out how they weren't exactly up front about the 1650 being a Max Q variant I'm glad they fixed it. Curious why they didn't want that info out there from the jump though, seeing as they want almost 2k for it.
This is why you should only consider the 25W version (Mercury White one) with the iGPU. It runs at much higher speeds and the new iGPU is not bad. The 15W version of the 1065G7 is too power-constrained. If you want serious gaming, get the 15" or an external GPU.
Interesting find in the benchmarks Ebert. I enjoyed this about the video for sure.
I wonder if a follow up video is in order when “these issues” are fixed?
Coming from watching Microsoft surface laptop videos where an ice lake i7, 16gb ram, and 256gb ssd costs $18000, this blade seems pretty good relatively price wise...
Would you say it’s worth the price jump over the older MX150 model?
Thanks for a review! Do you plan to review and compare that Razer to Prestige 14 which runs 1650 too?
Would you suggest picking this one or the new MSI prestige 14 with GTX1650 ?
Good video and thank you for the benchmark comparison to the MX150 model.
You just made a big error by not comparing the cTDP of the IceLake with just 15W and the older i7 Model, which can use up to 25W, thus increasing the boost clocks by much more obviously. Which then also equals to more heat and less battery life.
Did your model have ghosting on the display screen? Wondering if thats a defect or randomly. Even my 2017 14 inch blade doesn't have this issue. Feels like its a 2009 screen than a 2019. Whacked for a 1800 dollar laptop
Nice ,professional review,really enjoyed watching it.Would be great to have in review a test of thunderbolt 3 plugged to multiple monitors.
Thx for review! Are you planning to make a other review about 15 inch latest model with 240 Hz display and 2080 max-q on board?
Will be able to buy this used at $680. You think it’s still worth it?
This is gonna be an awesome purchase used or in a year when the newer products come out
that's like every 9 months for Razer, won't be long.
So, the price per performance isn't great. I got mine for free, I like small form factor and highly powered devices as I spent a lot of time mobile rather than at home. The only other laptop that even remotely competes with this is the MSI prestige 14in. I have the razerblade 13inch 1650 and have not even opened the box, it was a gift. Is it not worth keeping?
If they raise the cpu power limits via a bios update this would be an amazing laptop
Really nice review!
Have you tried to charge this laptop with 65 watt adapter from previous generation (or any other type-c 65 watt charger).
Would be great if it could do so and save a lots of space during the travels
if the 13.3inch IPS screen have 120hz option, that would be perfect and I will order it ASAP no doubt
Wouldn’t that drain the battery more
To clarify, i have this laptop and the cpu only gets it full power when you disable the gtx 1650 in device manager. R15 scores 822 and R20 scores 1877 with undervolting -45mv via Throttlestop. This cpu is 10%-15% more powerful than the previous gen.
are you guys going to be looking at the intel iris plus graphics as well?
they might in other reviews, but since this has a solid discrete GPU it doesn't really make sense to test it here. Yet another reason Razer should have used Comet Lake.
I bought one with GTX 1650 for 350 bucks. I am very excited as it was my dream device 4 years ago but couldn't justify the high costs.
Just bought one of these myself. Should fit what I was looking for perfectly. I'll have to run your benchmark number against mine. Some seemed higher and some lower.
Great review, as usual. I would have liked to see a graphics synthetic like Unigen heaven though, just to round it out
Are you going to make a video of the base version?
Prestige 14 is another ultrabook with 1650 max-q. Have a look at it !
We need to see what the power limits are for the Icelake version compared to the Whiskey Lake version. It's possible that Razer has lowered the power limits for the CPU to dedicate more of the power/thermal budget to the GTX 1650.
You aren't hitting 2.9Ghz all-core on Whiskey Lake at the 15W TFP, which suggests that Razer has been aggressive with the power targets on the Whiskey Lake variant.
From my testing on my Surface Pro 7, to hit 2.9Ghz all core you need about 25-35W depending on how heavy the workload is. For AVX-512 software, power is even higher (or clocks are lower), which makes sense because AVX-512 does (roughly speaking) double the work per instruction.
Overall Icelake is just OK on the CPU side. Comet Lake on 14++ has more cores and is going to be faster for CPU bound workloads in most cases. The real benefit of Icelake is the new Gen 11 GPU, which is significantly better, and AVX-512 if your applications can support it.
Wait, you compare the 15W 10th gen version with the 25W 8th gen? And it turns out that the clock speed is lower, performance is worse but it has a better battery life?
Or is it 15W vs 15W Version? I don't get it. If so, then yes, the 10th gen (10nm) would be a mistake to buy.
How would the battery life be if used as a work laptop? Would it have 7 hours under normal use or more toward 8 hours?
So would the base model perform better with an eGPU since it uses the 25w chip? Also add me to the list hoping for a review of that mercury white beauty 😍
Great review! Thx for pointing out the weakness of Intel‘s much expected next generation. I will stay with my i7500 Blade stealth, which sports the 3200x1800 Resolution plus a512GB SSD.
According to the test made by others, at same performance standard, ice lake runs with lower clock rate and lower power consumption. So ice lake is good choice if you really want to do the job with more battery life and cooler temperatures. Not all the people really care about the peak performance. It's a shame that you don't understand this.
Why do you all say it's too expensive, when a Macbook Pro with similar (or indeed worse) specs costs $500 more?
what is the temp? is it overheating?
Tbh I disagree, I think ice lake was a good choice that allowed them to put in a better GPU with better overall performance and battery life than previous generation while maintaining decent noise/thermals. Seems like a product that would excel as things get more optimized.
Only way I would want to improve it would for there to be a one button turbo that runs the cpu at the 25w spec for additional heat and noise. Would be nice to get to choose higher performance when you want it.
I own the early 2019, its the same thing in terms of limited cpu performance. I had to follow a guide to use a modified bios to get it to use full cpu power (gets really hot!). With the modified bios I was able to get 843 in Cinebench r15 as a high and average around 810. At this price range you're better off buying an actual gaming laptop, if actually plan on gaming or do any cpu intensive tasks.
@HardwareCanucks, how would be the performance of FIFA in this laptop, and for how many years do you think this config can be utilized.....
would be great if you can suggest some sub 15 " gaming laptops... i think most of the people are looking for that category.....
$1800 for low settings at 1080p in most cases sub-60fps. Wow.
I really do not understand the benefit over say a 15.6inch from another brand with a I7 9750h, 1660ti and 120hz screen for a few hundred $ less. Is weight and a 2 inch smaller screen really a deal breaker?
I got my custom 17.3 rtx 2070 (NOT max-q rubbish) 32gb ram, 9750h 512gb nmve for UK £1700. 144hz screen. And it still fits in my backpack. Power bricks a monster though!
Have you tried to under-volt it? To counter the heat.
The problem is will it last more than two years?
While I did purchase one to go with my EGPU, I do have a blade 15, but.. I've discovered that the Blade 15's and up are just.. worthless? yes they boast some pretty beast performance, but thats only IF it'll decide to behave as the Blade 15's have this uncanny ability to hard freeze and crash frequently, heck my blade 15 has days where it'll happily run the latest games, like the new MW! but dear god, Reach? for whatever reason it'll crash.
But when I switch to say my old blade stealth on the EGPU, runs smoothly, as beautifully as possible. Playing MW at 120fps constant and reach all day long. I honestly don't understand the inconsistencies, these are supposed to be premium products right? So for anyone looking at the blade 15? just buy a blade stealth and spend the rest on say an EGPU and heck, 2080ti if you really want to, you have enough!
This is mostly aimed at people who don't deal with desktops.
Can you do a review on the Microsoft Surface 3 15” w/ Ryzen and Vega specs? Would be great to see how that reviews as that is also a high end sku.
I think this isn't a failure at all? Look at the actual render times, with the exception of blender the new system CRUSHES. The 8th gen. It's not an upgrade for everyone but if you are using premier Pro, literally halving your render time is huge.
This seems like something Razer can address with a BIOS update given the headroom that's (seemingly) there based on the CPU temps. Those clocks just don't make sense. Do you guys have the 25w Iris Plus version of the Blade Stealth on hand? How does the CPU performance compare?
It is a software issue. I have the same laptop.
If you use throttle stop you can get more than 800 on cinebench 15 and the temperature doesn’t get much higher.
Hopefully Razer is going to release an update so you don’t have to use throttle stop to get those results.
What is weird is that if you run geekbench you get normal results, so I think the cpu is not working well with some benchmarks.
I'd like to see this compared to MSI's new prestige 14.
We're on it!
@@HardwareCanucks GTX1650 MaxQ with Comet Lake. Only a tad larger being 14" vs 13.3", but it's really not that much bigger I think. Looking forward to a comparison~
Great! Looking forward to it. I think Prestige 14 will give razer a run for its money (unless MSI screw something up with that laptop)
I think we've hit that "One computer per household" milestone a few years back. Perhaps it's time we consider that people already have laptops/phones/desktops and start looking at new models from that perspective.
I can see why it'd be hard to nail down a target audience like that, but you're not talking to first-time buyers anymore. This model will have (probably) better cooling. But if we assume most people have a desktop (and probably another device with internet capabilities) a laptop becomes more of a side-piece. It's a device to get things done, when you want to sit on the couch, go to the office or work from home.
This laptop, as most Razer laptops have been, is targeted at the gamer/prosumer crowd. It's designed as a companion to a more powerful computer; be that gaming or designing or editing. But you shouldn't be using a laptop as an editing workstation in 2019, you should realistically be using a desktop in synchronization through local wireless/ethernet. You only need to bring larger files onto your device and work in sections. Use desktop to finish/render. Is this not what you would be doing with a server at work? Why would you not recommend the regular folk do this too, setting it up isn't very difficult.
Does the 4k come with 144hz display?
I think it's pretty good even CPU. It slows down the CPU while keeping temps down and that GPU is carrying most of the load during gaming. What's else do you want at 13 inches and in a device this slim. I find it an excellent buy. You pay premium for premium ATM.
Could the TDP of the 1065G7 be raised to 25W for sustained loads via XTU or ThrottleStop? I know many Thinkpads and other ultrabooks were capable of this for the 8th generation ULV CPUs. That may remedy some of the issues here, alongside an undervolt to keep temperatures down of course.
Can you do a MX150 version vs the 10th gen CPU only model? The CPU only model has 25W cpu. It would be nice to see the difference between MX150 + Whiskey Lake and Iris Graphic + Ice Lake
Great review. Ice Lake looks like an interesting stepping stone...
What about the 25w TDP version ? i would be very curious to see the perf differences. Not only gaming but for anything !
I have this laptop, the cpu runs at 25w as long as the dgpu is inactive. Now for some reason Cinebench defaults to the dgpu meaning the cpu runs at 15w for these tests . If you switch to the igpu in nvidia control panel you'll get Cinebench scores of 1800ish.
I don't understand what the issue with this CPU is. While the Synthetic tests had the new CPU close behind the old one, in both of the Adobe Premiere Pro exports the new CPU absolutely wipes the floor with the old CPU (19 minutes vs 41 minutes?!). Am I missing something?
This is a GPU workload as mentioned in the video...
I own one of these and can barely run Minecraft on it at 60 FPS. what’s the issue?
Looks great for when I need to travel for work and want to play a few games at the hotel room at night.
Maybe you could've try to change the CPU TDP with Intel XTU just to see if the performance would improve with an higher TDP. Also I don't think the configuration with the 1650 Max-Q makes much sense since now Intel iGPU is supposedly much better than the past.
This seems like a software problem, NOT a hardware problem. Check the power management setting and increase the max power state or whatever to 100
If they added a second SSD slot and adjusted the CPU performance a bit (even if it required adjusting the cooling method) it could have been PERFECT.
Hah! Everyone was complaining about temps when Razer didn't do the cooling so well because the amount of surface heat exchange area needed to be packed so tight but they (Razer) also wanted to provide similar or better performance along with not too loud default cooling fan noise settings. Now they put a lower thermal limit, people are complaining about performance. Though I'm thinking it more to mitigate the solder balls between the chips and motherboard breaking connection from the heat differences from going up and down all the time because Razer's quality control is so crap.
This machine is definitely power limit throttling thus hurting performance. If Razor issues a bios update that could help performance a lot or you could just install Throttle Stop and increase the CPU voltage a bit and try an overclock.
so navi laptops gonna be a next big thing on laptops? im hoping for 5700m laptop
You can pretty much get a 2060 Blade 15 for the same price as the 1650 Stealth, which I mean I get that the 13" is small but its not like a Blade 15 is a chunky product. And it would be 60hz (I believe on Stealth) vs a 144hz on the Blade 15, both FHD.
Cool product but I don't think it has a real market.
As an office laptop with light photoshop work on the side this one might be real nice though
I'm holding out to upgrade my 2018 model for a Ryzen chip model. Going to be holding out for a long time....
Lol why would you even upgrade from the 2018 model? And from what I've seen from Microsoft's Surface, I'll take Intel on mobile any day over Ryzen.
@@kevin9284 the surface was built on 12nm, next year's mobile Ryzen chips will be 7nm.
@@kevin9284 I'll upgrade when it shits the bed from my abuse
I wonder if the review model was thermal throttling. I have a XPS 13 2in1 with same 15W 1065G7 Ice Lake CPU and I get 1449 points in Cinebench R20.
Why not have the 1068G7 on its own in the laptop, and then bundle an eGPU box(Razer Core) with it?
What's the weight of the machine?!
Do you think Razr will release a comet lake version of this?
Bro need review of msi prestige and comparison with it, razer and lenovo s940 and some other ultra book
Please i need your honest opinion ...🥺🥺🥺🥺😩😩😩😩
Ice Lake CPU isn't that bad tbh..
having the base model now, TDP of CPU is 25W instead of 15W (but no discrete GPU
cinebench r20 score: 1560cb and after unlocked it can reach around 2100cb
Dose the mouse have a fan inside?
these test results are conflicting with userbench and notebookcheck's. Those websites offer more robust validation of performance IMO. Also, the clock speed comparison is not apples to apples due to new vs. old tech being compared.
Am i better off getting a acer nitro 5 or a omen
How about charging block weight?
Ugh. I share your opinion on the keyboard. Surfaces got it right. It's the main reason I haven't bought any of the newest crop of Razer's. Long live the last 14". Just for the keyboard. Until then, I'm side eyeing the alienware m15...
Because of all the random stories about Razer laptops failing completely outside of warranty. They have scared me off from buying. And I’ve wanted one since 2013
the icelake in this laptop is faster than the whiskey lake 8565u. not sure if he benchmarked it.
I think the new MSI 15 A10SC-012 - Prestige is more reasonable because the 1065G7 has better graphics so the gtx 1650 is kinda redundant but the prestige combines it with the new 6-core 10710U and a GTX 1650 which destroys everything whilst being slim and cool.
typing this comment from that laptop rn :) its a really good buy, especially if you hate the tacky and flashy gaming laptops. excellent on the battery too. my only gripe is the build quality, but im super picky about that stuff.
🙋 Hello, I really liked your review of the razer blade stealth 2019. And it made me want to buy it now, but I have the doubt if it works well in the virtualization of operating systems. I don't know what the performance is when virtualizing using VirtualBox. My job as a developer demands that I use that application and I'm from Peru so I will have to import the equipment and I don't want to make a bad decision. Please. Help me. 🙏🙏 I would be very helpful if you tell me what the performance in virtualization is. Thank you.
This is not a workstation grade machine that will be good for serious VM use. I deal with several VMs for school and would not recommend any machine without multiple storage drives and upgradable RAM. Also, cores count. I had a good experience with an Alienware 15R3, and now I have an Aorus 15.
i really was waiting your review i know that we don't have to do that but i hope u see my comment just go download throttle stop or xtu give it an under volting of -0.1 or -0.125 go to power planes on windows and create a performance plane and if that didn't work try to increase the power limit with help of xtu or throttle stop and see that it will boost until it thermal throttles
Have you looked at the MSi Prestige 14?
Please check and compare integrated graphics with AMD's integrated vega iGPU.
I love the mx150 model. Only play World is Warcraft on the go. I can play 4-5 on just battery.
Do you have to play on lower settings and what frame rates are you getting? Looking for something do run WoW and less demanding games on the go as well :)
Fredrik Jonsson when I play classic I have it set to 3 on the graphic settings and lock my FPS at 60. Run great fan doesn’t really kick in. And it stays cool.
How does newer games run on this .because I read minimum requirement for modern warfare was a 1650 .does it run newer games well?
Well its a 1650 max q...