Students do need to be able to learn in all the styes, but when they are truly struggling, helping them in their own style seems to build their confidence. So often math is taught in just one style and if children don't catch on, they quickly assume that the problem is their lack of ability. In general I'd recommend teaching "around the styles" so everyone over time has their preferred way, but grouping for the interventions seemed very effective with these students.
Hi--there were INTPs in the study, but you're right, not in this film. They tended to do whole problems in their head without moving and then spew out an answer. I use one INTP film in training teachers--they're sure the "poor child" is stuck and are amazed when he draws the figure correctly after about 3 minutes of silence. We talk about how silence does not equal lack of engagement or knowledge!.
I remember in 6th or 7 grade my math teacher decided to check my homework and find out that my homework notebook was empty for past 2 month. They got my parents to school and gave me a tonn of bad grades and stress. They didn't believed that I did it in my mind. In 8th grade I moved from this school to lyceum and won a town math competition that year(among 60 schools). Math teacher in lyceum split 6 students from the rest of the class and even our desks were arranged differently so we face each other while the rest of the class were lined up facing teacher as usual. 3 of those 6 won that city math competition for next four years. Needless to say what is my type
Hi--I was referring to the quadrants of the type table, so Introversion & Sensing, Introversion & Intuition, etc. These are frequent cognitive style groupings. INFPs are simply one of the rarer types. In the class for which the data was shown, there were no INFPs. The conclusions given for Introversion & Intuition include INFPs--not asking questions, working with numbers, working silently, sticking with the process on their own until something made sense...
I love this video so much. Its really sad that there are so many kids who end up failing and hating math simply because their teacher/school/curriculum doesn't enable them to learn the material their way. I am really curious to see how learning disorders, such as dyscalculia and dyslexia, affect how the brain operates when doing math problems and other activities.
According to the theory, type is innate. And, we have some good evidence (parents for example definitely see Extraversion and Introversion manifest early on). However, Jung posed the theory as a pathway for development. Mature people use appropriate preferences as situations require. We don't change type, but we develop skills that allow us to see both the big picture and details, logic and the needs of people. Hopefully we build careers based on preferences and avoid consequences of blind spots
Jane Kise Hi, i would like to know if when it says on most sites that personality is due to your brainwiring, is this a physiological wiring? Or just something people say? I have asked a prominent psychiatrist about the mbti and his words not mine..."its BS" so i am now also skepticle
It was mostly Ni's who saw it all in their heads. Ne's often tried multiple strategies, such as the crowded paper I showed from the one girl. And no, they did not want to practice!!
Even though I'm a Ne-dom, I can't just see numbers in my head. That touches on visual, kinesthetic, and auditory learning styles. I still need the Christmas Tree and all of the different perspectives. I still need that big picture first and the words "linear" and "process" and "practice" strikes terror into my heart. ^^'
As a consistent INFP or FiNeSiTe for Jungian, it's not surprising to see the absolute 0 score for the intervention lol. Grade 3 I didn't know number patterns (eg 5,10,15) because, just as you exactly said, I was more interested in looking out the window and my teacher had to address my daydreaming to my parents. Contradictory to that, I am currently a uni student going for Music and Computer Science and one of my favourite subjects is discrete mathematics which involves number patterns. I think it has to do with the subject being aligned with the "Christmas Tree" form of thinking on extroverted intuition. As de-linear thinking may be my preference, it works with trying to prove discrete math statements since there is no single procedure to approach them and the more angles of looking at the problems I see ( such as the girl who used fraction equations and grids greater than required) than the more fortified is my understanding of the abstract concepts, and I'm incentivized to play around with the ideas x)
my teacher sent me to a psychologist for the daydreaming out the window... the psycholigist said to my mother 'tell the teacher to go to a psychologist' (i'm intp by the way)
Thank you for finally hearing my voice being called out to what i thought was soulless fog swirling around me! My fights with teachers have finally paid off!
INTP and ISTP, according to research by Dr. Dario Nardi, an instructor at UCLA. You can read more in his book The Neuroscience of Personality or watch his talk at google, which is on TH-cam
"don't see reality all the time" it's just physical reality (real space) and real space isn't the entirety of reality. Imprecise use of vocabulary is killing everyone. Things have gotten even more chaotic compared to when this video was posted.
Somethings presented in this video are potentially confusing but definitely calls for more attention. 1. It was not at all clear if the Introverted Intuitives & Extroverted intuitives were referring to the INxx & ENxx types or Ni function and Ne function. The presenter's answers in the comment section are also confusing. The presenter commented she was referring to INxx & ENxx in one comment and Ni & Ne in another comment - lowering the credibility of herself and the whole study. 2. The sample of "the interventions" section is quite questionable. The sample was way too small and was not at all representative of the 16 types. There were only two intuitive students on that chart, rest being mostly SJs, yet the presenter said that these students were divided into two groups (intuitives vs sensing) to do certain task which would have been two students vs nine students. The colors on the table are also questionable as they show no relationship with the numbers. This section also lowers the credibility of the entire presentation. 3. I apologize if I sound critical. I think this study is onto something and is definitely worth more attention. This study brings up an issue that every teacher should at least be aware of even if the applicability of the this theory will be questioned by the majority and actual application of this might potentially lead to some discrimination according to type. It will at least help the teachers withhold haste judgments about the students' ability and intelligence, and provide some insights on how to work with these students who are different. 4. I am an INFP and I feel like I basically learned nothing in school until I went into the university. I mostly day-dreamed my entire primary and secondary school years.
My first instinct reading this comment #1 2 it's Ti but then I realize it Te (a bit Si) and #3 4 I see infp isn't a mistype. yea as Ti I focus on viewpoint itself (eg. what does it imply reasons that in the end sensors teach each other) not on way evidence is collected
Maaaaaaaaaan it'd be nice if education in the U.S. was more considerate about how people learn differently. Sometimes I wonder if I'd do better in math if I could just have more time to really understand it. My math class takes new notes every single day and I'm expected to remember all that for the standardized tests without being given the time to properly digest and understand that information? But also math is pretty much the least interesting class for me because it's just a bunch of numbers. I mean, I understand that it does great things in the world around us with architecture and I can appreciate that but it just doesn't get me excited to learn about.
Hi Kim, While ISFPs who are encouraged and taught via methods that tie math to reality do very well, the ISFPs definitely used manipulatives such as tiles to solve the problems. The ones who struggled loved working in very small groups and getting immediate feedback. I remember one girl, who was a very recent immigrant from East Africa, thriving on doing problems that were closely related and having one of us reassure her that she was right. ex.. making shapes that were 1/4, 1/3, 1/5, 1/7 red.
Certainly a good study. It looks like when we segregate students by their type and introduce a style of instruction or intervention, we can get a better rate of success.
When referring to the functions, was it referring to having the stated function as the dominant function? Also, where can I get more information on that chart shown at 16:06? I was interested to see that INFPs (which I am) are the only type to show "0" for all 5 columns.
I was gonna ask that first question myself. I was somewhat thrown off. But I assumed it was due to her needing to simplify things to present it to people who aren't as familiar.
Shouldn't INFPs be considered Extroverted Intuiters? The stacking of the function for an INFP is Introverted Feeling>Extroverted Intuition>Introverted Sensing>Extroverted Thinking
I talk about Introversion AND Intuition...yes, INFPs extravert their Intuitive function, but my research focused on the quadrants of the type table rather than the cognitive functions.
Jane Kise Would you say ENFP and INFP both extravert their intuition? I've been classified as an INFP my whole life, but when I reached college I recognized my previously sheltered lifestyle affected my socialization and so I naturally came into my own as an ENFP. However, as a physics student, I noticed I have the tendency to do the Christmas Tree method more often than not. Whenever I'm blank-minded, such as during the Electromagnetics exam I took today, nothing but anxious thoughts pop into my mind. Considering how one is actually extraverted and the other simply utilizes the extraverted intuition, would you support the idea that both are equivalent in their utilization of this particular cognitive function?
Interesting talk, and I'm sure many of the ways the kids approach learning will seem familiar. I'm worried about the application of the MBTI, however. What exactly is the evidence for it? Isn't there a danger of confirmatory bias? I understand the kids got an explanation of the types before they started working?
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Students do need to be able to learn in all the styes, but when they are truly struggling, helping them in their own style seems to build their confidence. So often math is taught in just one style and if children don't catch on, they quickly assume that the problem is their lack of ability. In general I'd recommend teaching "around the styles" so everyone over time has their preferred way, but grouping for the interventions seemed very effective with these students.
Hi--there were INTPs in the study, but you're right, not in this film. They tended to do whole problems in their head without moving and then spew out an answer. I use one INTP film in training teachers--they're sure the "poor child" is stuck and are amazed when he draws the figure correctly after about 3 minutes of silence. We talk about how silence does not equal lack of engagement or knowledge!.
lol
I remember in 6th or 7 grade my math teacher decided to check my homework and find out that my homework notebook was empty for past 2 month. They got my parents to school and gave me a tonn of bad grades and stress. They didn't believed that I did it in my mind.
In 8th grade I moved from this school to lyceum and won a town math competition that year(among 60 schools). Math teacher in lyceum split 6 students from the rest of the class and even our desks were arranged differently so we face each other while the rest of the class were lined up facing teacher as usual. 3 of those 6 won that city math competition for next four years.
Needless to say what is my type
This is me in Maths but now the teacher tells me off for not doing working out
Hi--I was referring to the quadrants of the type table, so Introversion & Sensing, Introversion & Intuition, etc. These are frequent cognitive style groupings.
INFPs are simply one of the rarer types. In the class for which the data was shown, there were no INFPs. The conclusions given for Introversion & Intuition include INFPs--not asking questions, working with numbers, working silently, sticking with the process on their own until something made sense...
I love this video so much. Its really sad that there are so many kids who end up failing and hating math simply because their teacher/school/curriculum doesn't enable them to learn the material their way. I am really curious to see how learning disorders, such as dyscalculia and dyslexia, affect how the brain operates when doing math problems and other activities.
According to the theory, type is innate. And, we have some good evidence (parents for example definitely see Extraversion and Introversion manifest early on). However, Jung posed the theory as a pathway for development. Mature people use appropriate preferences as situations require. We don't change type, but we develop skills that allow us to see both the big picture and details, logic and the needs of people. Hopefully we build careers based on preferences and avoid consequences of blind spots
Jane Kise Hi, i would like to know if when it says on most sites that personality is due to your brainwiring, is this a physiological wiring? Or just something people say? I have asked a prominent psychiatrist about the mbti and his words not mine..."its BS" so i am now also skepticle
Our voices are often told “shut up sit up straight and be respectful to me but i dont haft to be nice to you”
It was mostly Ni's who saw it all in their heads. Ne's often tried multiple strategies, such as the crowded paper I showed from the one girl. And no, they did not want to practice!!
My math teacher at school back then should watch this
Even though I'm a Ne-dom, I can't just see numbers in my head. That touches on visual, kinesthetic, and auditory learning styles. I still need the Christmas Tree and all of the different perspectives. I still need that big picture first and the words "linear" and "process" and "practice" strikes terror into my heart. ^^'
As a consistent INFP or FiNeSiTe for Jungian, it's not surprising to see the absolute 0 score for the intervention lol. Grade 3 I didn't know number patterns (eg 5,10,15) because, just as you exactly said, I was more interested in looking out the window and my teacher had to address my daydreaming to my parents. Contradictory to that, I am currently a uni student going for Music and Computer Science and one of my favourite subjects is discrete mathematics which involves number patterns. I think it has to do with the subject being aligned with the "Christmas Tree" form of thinking on extroverted intuition. As de-linear thinking may be my preference, it works with trying to prove discrete math statements since there is no single procedure to approach them and the more angles of looking at the problems I see ( such as the girl who used fraction equations and grids greater than required) than the more fortified is my understanding of the abstract concepts, and I'm incentivized to play around with the ideas x)
my teacher sent me to a psychologist for the daydreaming out the window... the psycholigist said to my mother 'tell the teacher to go to a psychologist' (i'm intp by the way)
Thank you for finally hearing my voice being called out to what i thought was soulless fog swirling around me! My fights with teachers have finally paid off!
INTP and ISTP, according to research by Dr. Dario Nardi, an instructor at UCLA. You can read more in his book The Neuroscience of Personality or watch his talk at google, which is on TH-cam
"don't see reality all the time" it's just physical reality (real space) and real space isn't the entirety of reality. Imprecise use of vocabulary is killing everyone. Things have gotten even more chaotic compared to when this video was posted.
Somethings presented in this video are potentially confusing but definitely calls for more attention.
1. It was not at all clear if the Introverted Intuitives & Extroverted intuitives were referring to the INxx & ENxx types or Ni function and Ne function. The presenter's answers in the comment section are also confusing. The presenter commented she was referring to INxx & ENxx in one comment and Ni & Ne in another comment - lowering the credibility of herself and the whole study.
2. The sample of "the interventions" section is quite questionable. The sample was way too small and was not at all representative of the 16 types. There were only two intuitive students on that chart, rest being mostly SJs, yet the presenter said that these students were divided into two groups (intuitives vs sensing) to do certain task which would have been two students vs nine students. The colors on the table are also questionable as they show no relationship with the numbers. This section also lowers the credibility of the entire presentation.
3. I apologize if I sound critical. I think this study is onto something and is definitely worth more attention. This study brings up an issue that every teacher should at least be aware of even if the applicability of the this theory will be questioned by the majority and actual application of this might potentially lead to some discrimination according to type. It will at least help the teachers withhold haste judgments about the students' ability and intelligence, and provide some insights on how to work with these students who are different.
4. I am an INFP and I feel like I basically learned nothing in school until I went into the university. I mostly day-dreamed my entire primary and secondary school years.
My first instinct reading this comment #1 2 it's Ti but then I realize it Te (a bit Si) and #3 4 I see infp isn't a mistype. yea as Ti I focus on viewpoint itself (eg. what does it imply reasons that in the end sensors teach each other) not on way evidence is collected
Maaaaaaaaaan it'd be nice if education in the U.S. was more considerate about how people learn differently. Sometimes I wonder if I'd do better in math if I could just have more time to really understand it. My math class takes new notes every single day and I'm expected to remember all that for the standardized tests without being given the time to properly digest and understand that information? But also math is pretty much the least interesting class for me because it's just a bunch of numbers. I mean, I understand that it does great things in the world around us with architecture and I can appreciate that but it just doesn't get me excited to learn about.
I hope I've just seen the future.
Thank you! I relate so much for this. Its right on spot. Thank you!
Some of her stories about the math students clearly reminded me of math class in school where all of the sensing kids made all these comments haha
Hi Kim,
While ISFPs who are encouraged and taught via methods that tie math to reality do very well, the ISFPs definitely used manipulatives such as tiles to solve the problems. The ones who struggled loved working in very small groups and getting immediate feedback. I remember one girl, who was a very recent immigrant from East Africa, thriving on doing problems that were closely related and having one of us reassure her that she was right. ex.. making shapes that were 1/4, 1/3, 1/5, 1/7 red.
No INTPs in the whole case study... :(
ChiptuneBreakcore there there, it's okay.
im just gonna say "THIS !
This is amazing, thank you for such a great contribution to human society. One question at what age to the types evolve and can they change over time?
So fantastic. Thanks for this.
Thanks for responding!
Certainly a good study. It looks like when we segregate students by their type and introduce a style of instruction or intervention, we can get a better rate of success.
Is the asymmetry of her neckline a design, or has she put on her blouse crookedly? Good lecture anyway.
When referring to the functions, was it referring to having the stated function as the dominant function?
Also, where can I get more information on that chart shown at 16:06? I was interested to see that INFPs (which I am) are the only type to show "0" for all 5 columns.
I was gonna ask that first question myself. I was somewhat thrown off. But I assumed it was due to her needing to simplify things to present it to people who aren't as familiar.
OMG i wish my teachers knew about this ....
Brilliant.
My only concern is to type kids right
Shouldn't INFPs be considered Extroverted Intuiters? The stacking of the function for an INFP is Introverted Feeling>Extroverted Intuition>Introverted Sensing>Extroverted Thinking
I talk about Introversion AND Intuition...yes, INFPs extravert their Intuitive function, but my research focused on the quadrants of the type table rather than the cognitive functions.
Hello. So does that mean that when you were talking about the Introversion and intuition, you were talking about the INxx types and not the INxJs?
Jane Kise Would you say ENFP and INFP both extravert their intuition? I've been classified as an INFP my whole life, but when I reached college I recognized my previously sheltered lifestyle affected my socialization and so I naturally came into my own as an ENFP. However, as a physics student, I noticed I have the tendency to do the Christmas Tree method more often than not. Whenever I'm blank-minded, such as during the Electromagnetics exam I took today, nothing but anxious thoughts pop into my mind.
Considering how one is actually extraverted and the other simply utilizes the extraverted intuition, would you support the idea that both are equivalent in their utilization of this particular cognitive function?
That was a very useful bit of knowledge.
you really skipped introverted thinkers? wow lol
ikr
This was done so noone else get offended
Obviously it was based on Perceiving functions
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why does she keep getting out of the red circle in the floor
I can see numbers in my head. What does that make me?
Interesting talk, and I'm sure many of the ways the kids approach learning will seem familiar. I'm worried about the application of the MBTI, however. What exactly is the evidence for it? Isn't there a danger of confirmatory bias? I understand the kids got an explanation of the types before they started working?
They had about six hours of learning about type--all related to either building classroom community or instruction strategies