What If Smash Brawl had a DS version
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 12 ก.ย. 2024
- I have been Inspired by @retromesh and his Smash Ds series to make a concept for a hypothetical smash game on the DS.
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I think the a ds smash game would be called "Supee Smash Bros Duel"
That would imply a 1v1. See the problem?
I'm guessing "Duel" would be some Yin-Yang thing serving as the Story Mode. Classic Free For Alls can still be in it.
Soupy
@@EWOODJi mean yeah but that title kinda slaps 😭. it could be duel and dual for the two screens
What does “supee” mean?
what if nintendo was nintenbob and instead of mario it was bobbio
Bobbio actually sounds like a good ripoff lol
Amazing idea.
Blow this up plz, bobbio
Bobkey Kong
Bobigi
I imagine Peach would be based on Super Princess Peach (also, Luigi as a whole should've started using Thunderhand powers in Brawl)
Thunderhand?
@@PoyoPuff999 The electricity powers brought up in the video
@@pinkiemeowstic89 Ohhhh ok
@@pinkiemeowstic89 Haven't watched it all yet
This is a neat idea. I think, however, that Link might just default to the design of Toon Link as Phantom Hourglass and Spirit Tracks are both DS games.
The closest thing to that was super hero squad ds 💀
i think jump ultimate stars was closer, one of the coolest japanese exclusive ds games imo
@@clairofmemoriesthat’s what I would say too
Imagine if we got Ashley from Warioware she did debut on the DS in Touched, there’s also a possible Rhythm Heaven rep we could get, or even Phoenix Wright since he was mostly on Nintendo stuff back then.
I don’t see why Pokémon balls or saffron city Pokémon would have to be cut. In smash 64 they were just pictures
To be honest, I could see Lucas working out on the DS game since his original game is on a handheld console. Also for the fact that Mother 3 is the only Mother game that was originally released on a handheld.
Yeah, I guess that would have been better. Could have swapped Ness out
@@-hazardzone-7641yea, if one had to be in it’d make far more sense for it to be Lucas.
Add the fact the first DS models can run GBA games
I remember as a kid I used to go to the after school program, which was just a bunch of kids hanging out in the lunchroom after school hours. It’s meant to give parents time to get off work so they can pick their kids up, anyway. My time in the program was spent almost entirely on my Ds playing games with other kids. I remember vividly a kid telling me about smash bros on the Ds as well as Mario galaxy and that’d he’d give me his copies to barrow if I gave him a few of my Pokémon cards. Lmao to this day, I’m still waiting for him to get the copies from his grandmas cabin.
I think cutting Poké Balls on the DS, a system that had two generations and some of the most beloved games (Platinum and Gen IV remakes, and Gen V in retrospect), would be a disservice.
Maybe they could be simpler models, or even 2D, like on Smash for the N64?
Super Smash Bros Clash was my childhood 😂
Man, if this was real...
We would have gotten 5 more characters in Ultimate
Cloud was going to be on smash brawl but nintendo had problems with it
Yeah, that's kind of why I wasn't going to put him in here
Someone already made a full smash bros game on the DS
it's like billions of people had said before "IF THEY AIN'T GONNA MAKE IT, MAKE IT YOURSELF"
I think the Pokémon *could* work if they were 2D sprites like they were in Smash 64, so as to put less strain on the DS hardware.
I think the Pokeball item would be possible if the Pokemon were all 2D sprites with minimal animations similar to Smash 64. The selection of Pokemon would likely need to be fairly small though. I think around 12-16 would be a reasonable size and have 3-4 Pokemon represent each of the 4 generations (Gen 5 is excluded since the scenario you proposed set this game around the release of Brawl)
Yo! Respect for including Kyle Hyde.
I'd love it if he was a 2D character in the same style as the character portraits in his game.
If we ever get another smash game, Kyle Hyde would be such an interesting wild card. And him having both a normal looking costume, and a costume with a unique affect similar to the how the games look would be so cool
HazardZone! Thank you so much for the shoutout and the wonderful nods to my Channel! I'm glad to have inspired this premise across the gaming community, and I can see it becoming more apparent in time! I will watch this video in full and write a review when I get home! In the meantime, I look forward to seeing more of your content in time. Will also be happy to give you a shout out in my next stream!
Thank you so much. I love seeing people make models and I love the premise in and of itself. I like that in your most recent upload itself how you tried to make him more unique in moveset.
Hope you like the video once you watch it
@@-hazardzone-7641Of course, and you can look forward to more from me as well!
Aside from the fighters and NPCs like the bosses, every item or other additional models present in a fighters moveset would just simply be 2D pixelated sprites. I mean it's what they did for the original Smash on the N64.
And while this is a fun hypothetical, Smash 4's development cycle basically says to me that if a Smash game was greenlit to be on the DS Lite, it would most likely aim to be as close to and consistent with the Wii version as possible. Which in a number of ways would have impacted Brawl significantly to the point where it may have actually been worse overall.
I could see the ds version of smash just being something like mario 64 ds but for smash 64 so like most of the features of the n64 games with maybe 4 more characters and keeping all the minigames with the targets and platforms and maybe even adding one more
I don’t think Onett would be here since it wasn’t on the 3Ds version likely due to hardware limitations, also Wario Ware would likely need 3 minigames minimum
Or a 2d sprie based game. It would save a lot of Space.
yeah! i believe theres a (fan)game like that already, so that could be the inspo
Smash Flash
@@mars_7673 yeah ther is a ds fan game calle smash Bros clash or SMTHNG like that
I can imagine a mode where the screen was more zoomed in but the it uses both screens so you can see
Huh, I'm surprised you didn't include a rhythm heaven character as a potential new commer; they are mainly portable games
The reason I was adverse to adding a rhythm heaven character is because I feel they would need a lot of extra props and models for them to feel like they are from rhythm heaven, which I think wouldn't have been harder to implement if this was real
i think Roy would have fit better than Ike as an FE rep in this since Roy is from a GBA game while Ike is from a GCN game, this is a super neat concept!
Dude this video was so well made, you are underrated…Also I love the Golden Sun nod because it’s my favorite game series
I think they would add a spirit tracks stage because this would be the “New” legend of Zelda game at the time and i would have Mario and Luigi look like their Mario and Luigi games, they could’ve used sprites to try to compensate for the DS limitations…Realistically i would use Retromeshes models
I personally think Red Savarin from Solatorobo: Red The hunter would make an AMAZING guest character for this hypothetical Smash DS game! Seeing as that game was a DS exclusive. He'd be a heavy grappler type character. Also, going with the heavy DS representation, i think Mario Party DS should be represented in this game in the form of the minimizer. It would work like a mulit-use version of the poison mushroom. Question is, should it become part of Bowser's moveset or become an item anyone can grab?
They could make it where dr mario is a skin variant such as 3 recolour and 1 model which introduces an accessory like Dr mario having a white scheme with a head stethoscope or pikachu wearing ash's cap.
It would've been interesting to see what a Smash Bros. DS would've been like. Great video! And yeah, Retromesh's videos on this hypothetical game are pretty great.
If Kyle Hyde showed up during the everyone is here moment in Ultimate, that would have made it even more hype
I feel like if they ever did make a ds smash bros game it would probably be just a smash 64 remake
Then we'd lose the Ice Climbers and Pokemon Trainer.
As I said
@@-hazardzone-7641 oh. Sorry about that.
Oh yeah! Finally someone covers this guy
If this was real, Sonic's designed would probably be based on the Sonic Rush games.
As palette swaps for the game, I feel like every fighter should be reduced to 4 costumes since we’re talking about hardware limitations, also I feel there would only be red and blue teams for team smash
This is such an awesome video you honestly deserve way more subscribers
Ngl they should've made a Super Smash Bros. 64 for the DS instead.
i think a way to get around a lot of issues like the pokemon or zelda's smash 4 styled down special would be using sprites, especially if they tried something simmilar to DKC having them be models made into sprites, it'd be a neat compromise i think
@@niczaz58 This for objects like Link's boomerang and bombs and items in general. It's what Smash 64 did.
I would want this as a game NOW‼️‼️‼️‼️🗣️🗣️🗣️🗣️🗣️🗣️🗣️
I love this, love imagining a scenario in which ultimate included the newcomers from this game.
Look, listen here, I didn't watch the video for you to explain this shit, but I want to say, I would be so FUCKING happy that THEY added it on the DS and changed my life forever, because I LOVE Super Smash Bros. Brawl considering it is part of my childhood growing up playing this, and IF they did, I would NONSTOP LOVING IT TIL THE DAY THAT I DIE!
As much as I love the fact that Isaac gets to be a playable character, with all the other sacrifices this game had to make, it just isn't worth it.
I mean, hypnotically, if this game were to be real, He would join in ultimate with all the features he missed out on
Who remembers the old smash bros 2d Ds games that those hacking cartridges had?
They were supposed to make a Smash Bros DS. It would’ve been like Smash Bros 64, but it wouldn’t have worked. So they done it for the 3DS instead.
That go for it man scared me
The ds had just enough buttons for smash. Heck, i'd even play a ds port of the original if they bothered
@@alexfraser8352 The only thing missing is the C-Stick, baby games for those used to manually input smash attacks. Select can be the taunt button. A Dpad for movement would also negate misinputing direction issues. Perhaps a double tap for run. L and R for shield and grab.
Sounds good
Good Video needs more subs
if smash bros was on the ds, the 3ds version would have been called super smash bros 4 or something because they have to number everything
oh they did it in this timeline anyway
4:22 stop the hate that stage is amazing Pokeball Pokémon’s can be Sprites like in the N64 Version
I like thinking about how i would be in this alternate reality.
Although w the roster here id prob be a gannon main in this one cuz none of my other mains are here.
Also u should do a movesett vid for each char.
Maybe at some point
When I was a kid, I knew Smash first for Super Smash Flash 1, and when I finally played the real deal by Melee, I always wished they had ported Flash or made a Flash-like smash game for the GBA/DS, obviously without the Anime and Mr. Incredible, I was aware enough to know what was up with those inclusions (I thought Blade and Blue were actual obscure sonic characters though)
It probably would have only worked in 2D. You could do more if it was.
I think pokeballs could stay cause, surely you could just do what the original smash 64 did and make the pokemon 2d images like what you suggested for the food items.
on god i split the timeline when i was a kid clear as day i remember being in cvs with my mom and there was brawl for the ds and for the wii like around the time the game came out and i picked the wii one and i have never seen that box for the ds version again cause it doesn’t exist
i definitely think they'd pick lucas over ness for a handheld only smash game, i could also see them doing hector or lyn instead of ike for a fire emblem rep
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I ain’t watch the video yet but we TECHNICALLY got this with Jump ultimate stars but with anime so if I had to guess it’ll basically be that
You would HAVE to call this game “Super Smash Bros Duel”
Duel Smash (DS)
It would have been really cool if there ever really was a Super Smash Bros. game for the Nintendo DS even though the DS never got one, unfortunately.
Silly question, but instead of Sceptile, would Grovyle work? It could draw simultaneously from the anime (Where Ash had Grovyle for a long while), and Pokémon Mystery Dungeon: Explorers ofTime/Darkness (Which were already out at the time)
I mean yeah, its just Idk if Nintendo would actually do that instead of the final evolution
A DS Super Smash Bros. probably wouldn't be called Super Smash Bros. Brawl DS. It would be called Super Smash Bros. Duel or something like that.
Would this have come out before or after Brawl? I believe the roster would have been the N64 12, Peach, Bowser, Zelda, *Ganondorf, *Lucario, *King Dedede with his NiD Tackle Rush instead of throwing things, *Meta Knight, *Marth, Lucas, *ROB, *Falco, Pit, & *Game & Watch. I don't think we would have gotten DS Exclusive Characters.
Around the same time. Possibly a couple of months before Brawl, or Released at the same time
This reminds me of the 3DS Skylanders Games.
I think that pokeballs could stay if the pokemon are sprites instead of models like smash 64
If this game did exist it be interesting to see why ultimate would’ve taken from this version 🤔
*obviously the DS exclusive characters would be in ultimate which would make sense*
Why cut Mewtwo?
I shouldn't have commented before watching this in full.
Alright, review time!
First of all, the fact that you're working with a different time period provides a lot of leeway that really differentiates from my concept, so that's cool! You pretty much nailed it, and I’m glad that you took every aspect into account, including one of the most important ones being hardware limitations which a lot of people seem to forget.
Limiting trophies to characters makes absolute sense; we don’t want too much clutter, but seeing the models in full is nice! I love that you included Giratina as a boss. I can’t do that for mine since my game is set before Gen IV, but it works, and the fact that it would serve as promotion for Platinum is an excellent strategy! "Great Calamity" is a very unique and profound idea. Providing a mix between worlds brings a very original dynamic that is unlike Melee's Adventure Mode and Subspace Emissary. In the end, it really captures the essence of a "crossover."
I don’t have a problem with cutting out Poké Ball Pokémon! I’m still keeping them for my concept, but I admit that it poses a problem and adds more limitations. Having them as sprites wouldn’t look nice either in comparison to the other assets! Cutting them out would be the smartest choice here. I’m only including them because I’m a huge Pokémon fan, and I am dumb, but you’re very right on this! A lot of my viewers have suggested that I give Mario and Luigi their mallets for their forward smashes, and this video only made me want to do it more… ugh, dilemma!
Giving love to handheld games is also something that I want to do, and I was so happy when you brought up Samus having her Fusion Suit and included a moveset based on that game. I can’t say how close your character roster will be to mine, but I can say that I can get behind yours! The roster is definitely one of the most important aspects here-it’s the face of marketing-so you want it to stand out by including popular characters, but also not be afraid to give love to lesser-known franchises, and you did that perfectly.
My only critique would concern the marketing aspect. This is just an assumption on my part, but I believe that when Smash 4 was released, most of the target demographic had already aged into young adults. So I feel like there wasn’t much reliance on needing to convince parents to buy the two games. I imagine it’d be a little different here since most players would consist of children. The limited cross-compatibility would only worsen the issue. So, what I would do, if I were following a similar premise, is have the games release at least one year apart and maybe add a bit more connectivity between the two, like maybe being able to use the DS system as a controller. I know you didn’t state a specific release day in the video, so if this was the initial idea, forget about all of this!
Besides that, excellent video, nothing was overlooked, and everything was broken down perfectly! 10/10
PS: I hate that Retromesh guy! He sucks and he’s stinky!
Thank you so much. I watch a couple of the streams and was worried that I was going to step on your toes with the character choices a little, so I wanted to be a little more out there with the idea.
The problem I had logically thinking about the Ds being a controller for the Wii (much like how the 3ds was for the Wii U) is because I would worry in real life, the actual hardware would cause delays since the DS's actual connectivity in my experiences was pretty hit or miss
I also had the issue of think how the pokemon would work with the pokeballs. Since even with sprites, visual affects would could clutter up the stage, and possibly cause slowdown on the actual DS.
I had one of the Transformers games on the DS when I was young, and the game would slow down when a bunch of effects would appear on screen, and that was something that in reality , I believe Nintendo would have wanted to avoid.
Thank you for the little feedback Essay on the video and I hope to see more from you soon.
P.S. For Sonic, You should consider making his down air based on his bubble bounce from the classic series. It would be cool
@@-hazardzone-7641 Yes, I may have underestimated input-delays! I don't think that it would work as well as it did between the 3DS and Wii U, don't think that i'ts ever been tested. Maybe someone has done it through homebrew but I don't know xD
I may be going a little too unrealistic with my concept, but we'll see how it turns out, in the end, most of my audience doesn't really care about hardware limitations, more-so the look of the game. That being said, I'm limiting the amount of pokemon on-screen to only one.
I will write that down as a suggestion for Sonic since I don't really have too many ideas! I really need to play more Sonic games! I will credit you if I decide to use it!
grovyle would be a better fit due to mystery dungeon on the DS
Would the Great Calamity mode in Smash DS have cutscenes like Subspace Emissary or would it just be dialouge exchanges?
Probably neither, at max, I could see prerendered animation for the beginning and end. But it likely would take a more old school approach to story telling.
As in all implied or told through outside source. To save storage for other things in the game
@@-hazardzone-7641 I think the story of the Great Calamity would be similar to Subspace, with the final boss being Master and Crazy Hand, but I personally think it would be cooler if another Nintendo villain like Giratina was the final boss.
One 3rd party that could've been in is Mega Man Zero, since that came out on the game boy advance
Surprised you didnt use more DS and GBA footage, theres great games for it on there and they all run on the same console (early DS have GBA ports)
I dont know how to record GBA and DS games without looking for an emulator. And the emulators I tried had slowdown issues. I would have used more GBA and DS footage if I could, but I don't have a way to record my systems
If it's for the ds maybe add Blaze for some Sonic rush representation? Maybe have her play like Sonic but with fire added
Super Smash Bros Crash: let me introduce myself...
Underrated asf. Keep it up brother
Retromesh is working on concept for it
I wonder if I said that in the video?
@@-hazardzone-7641 oop my bad
What If instead of nintendo it was freaktendo and instead of mario eating mushrooms he eats viagr-
Shut up
There's actually a series on TH-cam that focuses on this concept
I wonder if I talked about that same channel in both the video and the description
@@-hazardzone-7641 yeah that's him
Yeah I wonder why we didn’t get a Smash Bros on the DS if we got one I could’ve been called Super Smash Bros Kung Fu or Super Smash Bros Infinite
There was a DS Version! It's called Super Smash Crash DS! But it was a home-brew game
Awesome hypothetical for a Smash on the DS though my only gripe would be the reason you cut Dedede was because of the Gordo and Waddle Dee even though that is just one move Dedede can replace like how you gave Zelda the Ice Rod instead of the Phantom.
I get that, but unlike Zelda, DeDeDe doesn't have that many options, plus him having his minions from the games brings more of that "Video Game Badguy" energy
@@-hazardzone-7641 Fair enough, actually now that you mention it Zelda does have a plethora of magic and items to choose from for her specials while for Dedede I could only imagine him doing a Hammer Throw and from Super Star Ultra, the missiles he does when he is in his Masked Dedede form for his Side Special.
For pokeballs, why not using images instead of 3D models ? They used png for Smash 64 (Saffron City), so I don't know why they shouldn't do it
I mostly excluded them because they 1. Add extra entities for the game to process and 2. Would add extra effects like more fire, water, etc effects onto the stage, making it harder to see on the old ds screens
It would be like smash bros for 3DS/Wii U
I loved your video and your ideas but I think you were a little bit harsh with the character and stage cuts.
We could see Smash 64 Remix for example and the large quantity of characters and stages (I know they're low poly but we can compare their power because of Mario 64 DS) and with characters like Dedede and Olimar you could replace the waddle dees and pikmin with 2D sprites so they don't affect performance, kinda like Mario Kart 64 with the characters being sprites but CRT TVs making it so it's not that noticeable.
I'm hoping you're making a part 2 with more ideas or new videos with similar concepts! Great work!
It already have the Super Smash Bros DS, Super Smash Bros Crash.
Leave that to retromesh
where's the rhythm heaven representation?
Great video, though I am surprised to not hear anything regarding Professor Layton or Phoenix Wright (other than a passing reference to how Kyle Hyde would work), since both were highly requested characters whose whole franchise started out exclusively on handheld Nintendo consoles (I’d even argue that Kyle Hyde could be swapped out for Phoenix, given their similar playstyles). I’d say one or both of these characters would be easy pickings for a DS-centric Smash Bros., but otherwise, awesome job, I love the concept!
Is Layton Nintendo? I know Phoenix Wright isn't, but I wasn't sure with Layton
@@-hazardzone-7641 Professor Layton is Level 5, while Phoenix Wright is Capcom, though there are some companies that historically have close enough relations with Nintendo (like Sega, Capcom, Bandai Namco) that it seems likely they’d be willing to offer their characters anyway.
@@mysteriousone1206 Well that's the thing. I had in mind Brawl for the roster, so I didn't want to expand past the limits of that roster. And as I said in the video, the handheld wouldn't get more 3rd party reps then the Console, so unless the console version was also getting these character, they wouldn't show up in this version
This is my idea for some bosses that can be in the game I hope you like it
Giratina(like you seid)
Kracko (from Kirby )
King Goomba(mario 64 ds)
Mother brain
And Flandre Scarlet (maybe not😂)
Believe me or not, there exist a smash bros on DS, The name is Super Smash Bros Clash iirc
Edit: after a lil bit of research, Clash exist but i wasnt referering to that, i was referering to Crash. so yeah, 2 smash bros on DS
The pokeballs have a simple solution, use 2d sprites like Smash 64. I do see less pokemon but not a whole cut
Maybe a melee down port is more realistic
U forgot to mention a major problem with this...the DS has no control stick and Smash is an analog input game. Smash attacks can't be done and running can't either unless u do what maybe Nickelodeon All Star Brawl 1 did and have characters always run and have a separate button for smash attacks. This would have to be a digital input game like NASB 1.
I should have put in a control section in the video, but if I were to put one in, I basially would just do the Rivals of Aether button layout.
Dodging and shielding on the shoulder buttons
X is jump
A is Attack
B is Specials
and Y are Smash attacks
@@-hazardzone-7641 Nice. I like it. Great video, btw.
Actually, that isn’t a issue. Smash doesn’t require analog controls, Brawl is perfectly playable with a singular wiimote.
Technically, Brawl was playable with a single sideways Wii-Remote, which had no analog stick and even less buttons than the DS. It was probably the crappiest way to play the game, but it was still technically playable. Smash attacks were performed by pressing both attack buttons at once. I think dashing was done by quickly double tapping the d-pad left or right.
Let's face it though, if Smash was on DS, Nintendo probably would have insisted that the entire game was controlled with the touch screen. 😏
@@N.i.E.M.O Ok then how do u angle moves properly? How does Mario do an up angled fsmash to kill earlier? How does Fox do diagonal firefox angles? I'm sorry, but, as a competitive player, this sounds like a torturous and horrible way to play smash.
Every character should have a ski. That's just a Pokemon
I think it’d be cool and on theme to have Ike as a Wii exclusive while introducing Lyn, Hector, or Eliwood as the fighter in Smash DS with their game was on the Gameboy Advance and Ike was on the home consoles 🤷♂️ could be a simple change to make the games more distinct.
I’d prefer a Sacred Stones character since it’s my favorite Fire Emblem game, but I’m one of few lol
olimar
goated this guy is underated
I think falco should be cut because he would be a fox eco
I didn't do that cause I wanted to keep some more star fox representation since the games were still somewhat active.
Huh… my friend literally asked me about why smash wasn’t on day yesterday.
lmao
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