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Please cover Helter Skelter next, there is so much to discuss and debate regarding that song's instrumentation: My Take: Paul McCartney: Lead and Backing Vocals, Rhythm Guitar (1962 Epiphone ES-230TD Casino), Guitar Solo (1964 Fender Esquire) John Lennon: Bass Guitar (1968 Fender Bass VI), Piano (Hamburg Steinway Baby Grand), Saxophone, Backing Vocals George Harrison: Chorus and Outro Guitar (1964 Gibson SG Standard), Backing Vocals Ringo Starr: (1964 Ludwig Super Classic Black Oyster Pearl), Shouting Mal Evans: Trumpet Sam's Take: Paul McCartney: Lead And Backing Vocals, Rhythm and Chorus Guitar (1962 Epiphone ES-230TD Casino) John Lennon: Bass Guitar (1968 Fender Bass VI), Piano (Hamburg Steinway Baby Grand), Saxophone, Backing Vocals George Harrison: Solo and Outro Guitar (1957 Gibson Les Paul), Backing Vocals Ringo Starr: (1964 Ludwig Super Classic Black Oyster Pearl), Shouting Mal Evans: Trumpet Beatlesebook's Take: Paul McCartney: Lead And Backing Vocals, Rhythm and Lead Guitar (1962 Epiphone ES-230TD Casino) John Lennon: Bass Guitar (1968 Fender Bass VI), Piano (Hamburg Steinway Baby Grand), Saxophone, Backing Vocals George Harrison: Outro Guitar (1967 Bartell Fretless Prototype), Backing Vocals Ringo Starr: (1964 Ludwig Super Classic Black Oyster Pearl), Shouting Mal Evans: Trumpet Mattiboo's Take: Paul McCartney: Lead And Backing Vocals, Rhythm Guitar (1962 Epiphone ES-230TD Casino), Solo and Outro Guitar (1964 Fender Esquire) John Lennon: Bass Guitar (1968 Fender Bass VI), Piano (Hamburg Steinway Baby Grand), Saxophone, Backing Vocals George Harrison: Chorus Guitar (1957 Gibson Les Paul), Backing Vocals Ringo Starr: (1964 Ludwig Super Classic Black Oyster Pearl), Shouting Mal Evans: Trumpet Beatles To A Tee's Take: Paul McCartney: Lead And Backing Vocals, Rhythm and Lead Guitar (1964 Fender Esquire) John Lennon: Bass Guitar (1968 Fender Bass VI), Piano (Hamburg Steinway Baby Grand), Saxophone, Backing Vocals George Harrison: Chorus and Outro Guitar (1965 Epiphone ES-230TD Casino), Backing Vocals Ringo Starr: (1964 Ludwig Super Classic Black Oyster Pearl), Shouting Mal Evans: Trumpet Beatles Bible's take: Paul McCartney: Lead And Backing Vocals, Rhythm Guitar John Lennon: Bass Guitar, Saxophone, Backing Vocals George Harrison: Lead Guitar, Backing Vocals Ringo Starr: Drums, Shouting Mal Evans: Trumpet Unkown: Piano, Lead Guitar
Thanks fellas! Amazing episode! I don’t play guitar like you, just have a Spanish guitar (nylon of course) + recently a Fender acoustic (pretty standard) and I generally play lousy rhythm, so this discussion is way above me in all senses. But all my life I thought it was a 325 sound (damn Ed Sullivan’s iconic opening shoot of them playing “All My Loving”. But the fact that there is room for a debate about the J 160-E having maybe taken part is mind-blowing! Keep up your FAB podcast. All my best from Argentina!
Cracked the code once again fellas! really enjoyed hearing more about All My Loving and the Ramirez. I Agree that George defiantly played the Ramirez and J-160e on the song. Real hard toss up between the J-160e and Rick-325. Defiantly think Ryan was able to get a close sound to the recording with the J-160e plugged in, but I do agree that there would've been some acoustic bleed if John did. Defiantly could be wrong but I was thinking that John could've rolled off the tone on his 325 bridge pickup similar to what he did on Get Back. That being said, to me I reckon Ryan was able to get the closet sound from either the neck or middle position on the Rick 360, so maybe John did use the neck and middle in-between position on his 325. Think I'm defiantly leaning towards Ryan's guitar choices. Can't wait for the next episode!
We should definitely talk about There’s A Place sometime because the session audio (if I’m remembering right) has George on the Duo Jet on earlier takes and then he switches to the J-160e. It’d be a cool tone comparison knowing that the amp settings and mic placement probably didn’t change.
Video idea: History and research about the Ramirez guitars... Both J & G had one, slightly different models I think (could be fun to identidy those through the pics). And should be a cool thing to spot all the songs where those guitars are featured :)
Michael Sokhil does his recreation using his 325 with pickup selector switch up in the "bass" or "neck" position. It sounds close. Listening to the original, the closest the rhythm guitar comes to sounding like the 325, imo, is during the chorus - that distinctive middy taut snap, like Pete Townsend gets on the intro to I Can't Explain. As for the solo, the closest it comes to J160E, imo, is when the guitar transitions from that final B7 to E. That E major seems to have all the tonality of Please Please Me era plugged in J160E. But the intro to the solo sounds a little too trebly and snappy. Made me wonder if the J160E takes over on the A major and something else is twanging the intro ascent from E to A...? The plot thickens...hmmm
To add to the possible confusion, Clay Blair of Boulevard suggested that in order for George and John to not sound similar, John would have a KM54 on his Vox and George would have the 47 mic. Also, the mic placement makes a huge deal in the tone too.
Yeah I tried to match how Clay was micing with the 47, but I don’t yet have a KM54 clone to experiment with. It should be noted that the KM54 was not in use as often as the 47 though, as there are certainly session photos with two J-160es both plugged into AC30s that were both mic’d with 47s - March 5th 1963 (the From Me To You session) is one specific instance of this
I may be wrong, or the source was wrong, but I want to say that (perhaps when he painted the 325 black) he either swapped (accidently) the bridge and neck pickups...or inverted the selector. Again, I or where I heard it from (long since forgotten) could be wrong, but it might explain why the old switch is in one position but sounds like another. Just a thought.
I definitely do remember hearing that, and that’s a good point. At some point we’ll try and address little bits of information like this that we’ve been reminded of regarding past episodes.
Re: the dark neck pickup on your Ric 12. Is it a vintage model (pre 1980ish) or a more recent model or reissue? If more recent the issue is the. 0047 capacitor. See a video by Psionic Audio on YT where he discusess how this capacitor makes the modern toasters much bassier. If you do the mod he suggests it makes it sound more authentic... Sparkly, airy. Look up "Rickenbacker 12 string Psionic Audio TH-cam". He has couple vids but one is longer and has the 0047 cap in the title. Great video!
Recent photos taken of V81 show that ONLY the middle pickup has surface corrosion. Could this be because it was cut and had no electrical current passing through it?
First, I respect and admire all the thought and research you guys put into this. And you may be 100% correct. But please allow me to make a pitch for why I think it was Gretsch and Ric on this song. The song recorded immediately before this one was "It Won't Be Long" and I think most agree on the Gretsch and Ric on that. Be a Beatle for a minute. You just recorded a song of a certain type, and the next one is going to be similar sound. Why change guitars? Now the physical. Watch and listen to Michael Sokil's two versions of the song. I admit I was amazed the two sound as similar as they do, to my ear George's lead break has more of the Gretch sound. Now be John for a moment. Even Michael, good as he is, can switch cords more smoothly and seamlessly on the Ric than he can on the Gibson. I can barely play the rhythm on my Ric, forget trying to do it on a J-160e. Watch Michael do the rhythm the J-160e almost perfectly, then perfectly on the Ric. It had been a long day for the lads. This was the last song and it was late. Is John going to take the easy way out and use the Ric, or is he going to work harder than he has to and use the Gibson? I think we know. And finally the sound. Good people can disagree about what they hear, but listening to Michael's two versions again with eyes closed, the electric guitars sound more like the record to me. FWIW, the book "All the Songs" agrees it was Gretsch and Ric.
this is a good conversation! To me I can’t tell if my life depended on it whether johns triplets were the j160e or the 325 but I’m fairly certain george is using the Jóse and the acoustic on the solo. One thing I can say is i don’t own a Gent but i do own a duo jet and the riff on It Won’t be Long sounds a lot more like a Gent to me.
The Beatles were the first to use Vox AC30s with top boost , AC30 only had a tone cut control top boost had treble and bass controls retro fitted to the back of the amp
We’ll get to work on that, I’m just less familiar with how copyright claiming works on those platforms with all the Beatles audio we’ve got in there so I’ll need to look into that
I assume one or more of you have this book...but if not, I have RTB and I'm more than happy to look up anything you might want to know about the recording equipment EMI/Abbey Road used during recordings.
I’d love to get my hands on one of those someday! (Ryan here) I’m not sure if the others have it. Thanks for offering to look things up in the future, we’ll definitely take you up on that!
I've been an avid Beatles fan and recording musician since 1982 yet this book has somehow passed me by. Please excuse a possibly silly question but...how does this cost 500 to 1000 pounds??? How?? Are there any sample PDF files on the net, a taster, so to speak?
@@uberbeast113 It's definitely not a silly question, since it's primarily more about the recording processes that EMI/Abbey Road used during the time the Beatles recorded there, and less about the Beatles directly. It goes into the minutia of things like mixing boards and compressors used, to microphones and cables. It has diagrams of where they stood and where mics were placed during recording, etc. It's also out of print (at the moment), which makes it sought after by those who seek such information. It's roughly 540 pages and weighs about as much as a small dog. LOL! 66.media.tumblr.com/0edfae952455b76fed1e6eeb300a179e/tumblr_n5u1xskRFL1t3i99fo2_1280.jpg
The isolated bass on this song unlocked my bass playing a lot - because I realize Paul plays a bum note and the song still sounds fantastic. I became a lot less of a perfectionist after hearing that.
Loved the discussion. My only note is that nobody really knows how John's first 325 was wired. Rickenbacker has a theory, Glen Lambert has a theory (based on the two-control guitars), and a lot of other people have a theory that the middle pickup was disconnected. Because there's evidence that the guitar was rewired at least once, during the Burns refinish, trying to figure out what pickup was used on what song is an absolute crapshoot.
Take a listen to the solo played on the gent with both pickups. th-cam.com/video/kxleFuVzFic/w-d-xo.html Also, on the studio recording I can't hear Harrison playing except in the solo. Perhaps the first take featured a guide rhythm with a classical or acoustic.
Talking about the off beat strums here 10:57 what about a ukulele tuned to d (A D F# B)rather than c which is sometimes referred to as the English tuning. George was a big fan of George Formby not bright enough to be a uke-banjo. ??
I know this is a bit late but at 25:00 you said that the Rickenbacker 325 couldn't isolate the neck pickup. I am pretty sure you could. I have a c58 with the Glens Loom mod which is suppose to rewire to Johns factory specs. With this mod you can isolate each pickup. The Rickenbacker factory spec of the c58 is not accurate to the original c58 wiring as far as I know.
Still think its the Gent because that guitar was newer than the Gibson J 160 e . If you listen to Brian Sezter's chord parts on Stray Cat Strut he gets the same sound on his Grestch 6120 as George's on All My Loving but that is just my meager opinion
Here is another question…brought to mind by ALL MY LOVING and the FIRST SULLIVAN APPEARANCE on Feb. 9, 1964..in NY. For this show and only this first show, THEY ARE TUNED DOWN A 1/2 STEP…! I had realized this a few years ago..and it can be confirmed..the first chord they play on ALL MY is FMINOR..NOT F#Minor. I compared the other tunes too same appearance..tuned down…THE QUESTION.. is WHY were they tuned down here? Did you notice? From everything I have heard they NEVER DID IT AGAIN…IF you check the Feb 16 Sullivan show from MIAMI..the tunes are all back in standard even All My Loving, F#minor. Quite an oddity that they did this …maybe Georges recent flu bout ..even though he sang no lead on these appearances? Opinion?
i assume that georges sickness must have caused them to tune 1/2 step down. although he may not have a lead song in any of the sullivan shows in 1964, he still provided backup vocals on songs like she loves you, twist and shout, and please please me. i assume that maybe it must have been georges sickness, as they still played 1/2 step in their next concert, washing dc. it's also to note that the 1st was recorded and the 3rd show was prerecorded just before the beatles headed into miami for their 2nd show (and where john received his new rickenbacker), so it explains why the 3rd ed sullivan show was 1/2 step tune.
On first Ed Sullivan, the soundman or director simply didn't understand that the band had two lead singers - probably couldn't fathom such a thing - which resulted in John's mic being set at a low level, as he was reckoned to be the backing vocalist. Most likely, Paul's singing lead on their opening track, All My Loving, influenced this misapprehension.
Sounds like John is using his Rickenbacker, for the triplets rhythm, the lead sounds like Georges, duo sonic, or country gentlemen, Gibson acoustic played for the main rhythm? The Beatles used flat wounds,
They used both. When John had his 325 restored, it even had a mix of flatwound and round on it. I’m pretty sure George used round as well. They had both from Selmer who produced Beatles-endorsed strings.
They had four tracks, minimal overdubs, minimal eq… you guys talk like they ran this through protools. These were basically live recordings… George didn’t play a nylon string and a j160. The ‘58 Ric is 100% on this song, and using either the mid or bridge.
I get your point about the relative simplicity of their setup but how does this relate to whether there was a Nylon string and a J-160e? Are you just saying they wouldn’t have bothered to add an overdub? They added an overdub on From Me To You months before in a similar way, which was equally recorded on a two track machine.
All My Loving was recorded on the 30th July 1963. George Harrison didn't purchase the Jose Ramirez until early 1964. There is no nylon string guitar on the recording at all.And that's beyond debate.
@@Bottled-Soap Well womp womp back anonymous man because there isn't. Why would there be a Spanish acoustic nylon stringed guitar on a rock and roll type of track?😂😂
Never argue with Jerry Hammack. LOL. It was George's Gent on All My Loving. It is also said that John Lennon disconnected the middle pickup on his Rickenbacker 325, because he didn’t like hearing the amplified clicks that would occur when he would strike it with his pick.
Are you thinking it’s possible John used George’s Country Gentleman? I don’t think we’ve considered that, it seems far more unlikely than John using either his Rickenbacker 325 or Gibson J-160e. I agree that would solve the lack of acoustic bleed and the pickup configuration thing, but I don’t think that guitar part ever sounded like a Country Gentleman to us. I’ll ask the other guys though!
@@GearThereEverywhere Maybe the Gent, maybe the Duo Jet, the former is more likely in terms of what would have been brought to the session, but I'm unsure what happened to the Duo Jet and it could have been there as a backup in case someone broke a string, and it has single coil pickups too.
What can be heard is the bleeding of Harrison's J160-E, there NO Spanish guitar on this song. Recorded in just 1 take, both players are using their J160-E models through their AC-30 amps. Period.
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Hey guys!! Ask Paul.He was there.
Please cover Helter Skelter next, there is so much to discuss and debate regarding that song's instrumentation:
My Take:
Paul McCartney: Lead and Backing Vocals, Rhythm Guitar (1962 Epiphone ES-230TD Casino), Guitar Solo (1964 Fender Esquire)
John Lennon: Bass Guitar (1968 Fender Bass VI), Piano (Hamburg Steinway Baby Grand), Saxophone, Backing Vocals
George Harrison: Chorus and Outro Guitar (1964 Gibson SG Standard), Backing Vocals
Ringo Starr: (1964 Ludwig Super Classic Black Oyster Pearl), Shouting
Mal Evans: Trumpet
Sam's Take:
Paul McCartney: Lead And Backing Vocals, Rhythm and Chorus Guitar (1962 Epiphone ES-230TD Casino)
John Lennon: Bass Guitar (1968 Fender Bass VI), Piano (Hamburg Steinway Baby Grand), Saxophone, Backing Vocals
George Harrison: Solo and Outro Guitar (1957 Gibson Les Paul), Backing Vocals
Ringo Starr: (1964 Ludwig Super Classic Black Oyster Pearl), Shouting
Mal Evans: Trumpet
Beatlesebook's Take:
Paul McCartney: Lead And Backing Vocals, Rhythm and Lead Guitar (1962 Epiphone ES-230TD Casino)
John Lennon: Bass Guitar (1968 Fender Bass VI), Piano (Hamburg Steinway Baby Grand), Saxophone, Backing Vocals
George Harrison: Outro Guitar (1967 Bartell Fretless Prototype), Backing Vocals
Ringo Starr: (1964 Ludwig Super Classic Black Oyster Pearl), Shouting
Mal Evans: Trumpet
Mattiboo's Take:
Paul McCartney: Lead And Backing Vocals, Rhythm Guitar (1962 Epiphone ES-230TD Casino), Solo and Outro Guitar (1964 Fender Esquire)
John Lennon: Bass Guitar (1968 Fender Bass VI), Piano (Hamburg Steinway Baby Grand), Saxophone, Backing Vocals
George Harrison: Chorus Guitar (1957 Gibson Les Paul), Backing Vocals
Ringo Starr: (1964 Ludwig Super Classic Black Oyster Pearl), Shouting
Mal Evans: Trumpet
Beatles To A Tee's Take:
Paul McCartney: Lead And Backing Vocals, Rhythm and Lead Guitar (1964 Fender Esquire)
John Lennon: Bass Guitar (1968 Fender Bass VI), Piano (Hamburg Steinway Baby Grand), Saxophone, Backing Vocals
George Harrison: Chorus and Outro Guitar (1965 Epiphone ES-230TD Casino), Backing Vocals
Ringo Starr: (1964 Ludwig Super Classic Black Oyster Pearl), Shouting
Mal Evans: Trumpet
Beatles Bible's take:
Paul McCartney: Lead And Backing Vocals, Rhythm Guitar
John Lennon: Bass Guitar, Saxophone, Backing Vocals
George Harrison: Lead Guitar, Backing Vocals
Ringo Starr: Drums, Shouting
Mal Evans: Trumpet
Unkown: Piano, Lead Guitar
Paul plays the Jazz bass on Helter Skelter.
Thanks fellas! Amazing episode! I don’t play guitar like you, just have a Spanish guitar (nylon of course) + recently a Fender acoustic (pretty standard) and I generally play lousy rhythm, so this discussion is way above me in all senses. But all my life I thought it was a 325 sound (damn Ed Sullivan’s iconic opening shoot of them playing “All My Loving”. But the fact that there is room for a debate about the J 160-E having maybe taken part is mind-blowing! Keep up your FAB podcast. All my best from Argentina!
On the last chord, I say it’s the bass, with Paul playing an E as the root and a B on top, simultaneously
That's how I play it
Cracked the code once again fellas! really enjoyed hearing more about All My Loving and the Ramirez. I Agree that George defiantly played the Ramirez and J-160e on the song. Real hard toss up between the J-160e and Rick-325. Defiantly think Ryan was able to get a close sound to the recording with the J-160e plugged in, but I do agree that there would've been some acoustic bleed if John did. Defiantly could be wrong but I was thinking that John could've rolled off the tone on his 325 bridge pickup similar to what he did on Get Back. That being said, to me I reckon Ryan was able to get the closet sound from either the neck or middle position on the Rick 360, so maybe John did use the neck and middle in-between position on his 325. Think I'm defiantly leaning towards Ryan's guitar choices. Can't wait for the next episode!
George's solo sounds like the parts he played on There's a Place. The J160e for me.
We should definitely talk about There’s A Place sometime because the session audio (if I’m remembering right) has George on the Duo Jet on earlier takes and then he switches to the J-160e. It’d be a cool tone comparison knowing that the amp settings and mic placement probably didn’t change.
At around 13:44 you say George sings the harmony on the last verse. I believe George sang the lead and Paul sang the harmony on that verse
Any chance of an episode exploring the comp drum and bass tracks on Back In The USSR please?
I love this channel as well as each of your independent channels. Great insight, great facts, all over great fun! Thank you very much.
Thanks! We’re glad to hear that!
Video idea: History and research about the Ramirez guitars... Both J & G had one, slightly different models I think (could be fun to identidy those through the pics). And should be a cool thing to spot all the songs where those guitars are featured :)
Michael Sokhil does his recreation using his 325 with pickup selector switch up in the "bass" or "neck" position. It sounds close. Listening to the original, the closest the rhythm guitar comes to sounding like the 325, imo, is during the chorus - that distinctive middy taut snap, like Pete Townsend gets on the intro to I Can't Explain.
As for the solo, the closest it comes to J160E, imo, is when the guitar transitions from that final B7 to E. That E major seems to have all the tonality of Please Please Me era plugged in J160E. But the intro to the solo sounds a little too trebly and snappy. Made me wonder if the J160E takes over on the A major and something else is twanging the intro ascent from E to A...? The plot thickens...hmmm
Top show gentlemen
Thanks!
To add to the possible confusion, Clay Blair of Boulevard suggested that in order for George and John to not sound similar, John would have a KM54 on his Vox and George would have the 47 mic. Also, the mic placement makes a huge deal in the tone too.
Yeah I tried to match how Clay was micing with the 47, but I don’t yet have a KM54 clone to experiment with. It should be noted that the KM54 was not in use as often as the 47 though, as there are certainly session photos with two J-160es both plugged into AC30s that were both mic’d with 47s - March 5th 1963 (the From Me To You session) is one specific instance of this
I may be wrong, or the source was wrong, but I want to say that (perhaps when he painted the 325 black) he either swapped (accidently) the bridge and neck pickups...or inverted the selector. Again, I or where I heard it from (long since forgotten) could be wrong, but it might explain why the old switch is in one position but sounds like another. Just a thought.
I definitely do remember hearing that, and that’s a good point. At some point we’ll try and address little bits of information like this that we’ve been reminded of regarding past episodes.
I believe the Rhythm Part was done on the 58 325. My observation Only.
Re: the dark neck pickup on your Ric 12. Is it a vintage model (pre 1980ish) or a more recent model or reissue? If more recent the issue is the. 0047 capacitor. See a video by Psionic Audio on YT where he discusess how this capacitor makes the modern toasters much bassier. If you do the mod he suggests it makes it sound more authentic... Sparkly, airy. Look up "Rickenbacker 12 string Psionic Audio TH-cam". He has couple vids but one is longer and has the 0047 cap in the title. Great video!
Recent photos taken of V81 show that ONLY the middle pickup has surface corrosion. Could this be because it was cut and had no electrical current passing through it?
A very interesting topic and I love the attention to detail.
As an aside, the DT770s are the best cans I've ever used.
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First, I respect and admire all the thought and research you guys put into this. And you may be 100% correct. But please allow me to make a pitch for why I think it was Gretsch and Ric on this song.
The song recorded immediately before this one was "It Won't Be Long" and I think most agree on the Gretsch and Ric on that. Be a Beatle for a minute. You just recorded a song of a certain type, and the next one is going to be similar sound. Why change guitars?
Now the physical. Watch and listen to Michael Sokil's two versions of the song. I admit I was amazed the two sound as similar as they do, to my ear George's lead break has more of the Gretch sound. Now be John for a moment. Even Michael, good as he is, can switch cords more smoothly and seamlessly on the Ric than he can on the Gibson. I can barely play the rhythm on my Ric, forget trying to do it on a J-160e. Watch Michael do the rhythm the J-160e almost perfectly, then perfectly on the Ric. It had been a long day for the lads. This was the last song and it was late. Is John going to take the easy way out and use the Ric, or is he going to work harder than he has to and use the Gibson? I think we know.
And finally the sound. Good people can disagree about what they hear, but listening to Michael's two versions again with eyes closed, the electric guitars sound more like the record to me.
FWIW, the book "All the Songs" agrees it was Gretsch and Ric.
I have the same idea🎸
The last note played in All My Lovin sounds like the Hofner to me.
this is a good conversation! To me I can’t tell if my life depended on it whether johns triplets were the j160e or the 325 but I’m fairly certain george is using the Jóse and the acoustic on the solo. One thing I can say is i don’t own a Gent but i do own a duo jet and the riff on It Won’t be Long sounds a lot more like a Gent to me.
The Beatles were the first to use Vox AC30s with top boost , AC30 only had a tone cut control top boost had treble and bass controls retro fitted to the back of the amp
J-160 on John's rhythm part and George's solo.
Ramirez nylon string acoustic on George's rhythm part.
Is this podcast not on podcast platforms like Spotify, Apple Music, etc? I'd love to listen to it while at work.
We’ll get to work on that, I’m just less familiar with how copyright claiming works on those platforms with all the Beatles audio we’ve got in there so I’ll need to look into that
That was lit!
Re: All My Lovin, are we also factoring in the compressors, both in the recording and the mastering?
Watching michael play this on his old 325 in 2013 really got interested in guitar. What was his old youtube channel called? Mj or somehting.
The lead part from George could be the Duo Jet.
I assume one or more of you have this book...but if not, I have RTB and I'm more than happy to look up anything you might want to know about the recording equipment EMI/Abbey Road used during recordings.
I’d love to get my hands on one of those someday! (Ryan here) I’m not sure if the others have it. Thanks for offering to look things up in the future, we’ll definitely take you up on that!
I've been an avid Beatles fan and recording musician since 1982 yet this book has somehow passed me by. Please excuse a possibly silly question but...how does this cost 500 to 1000 pounds??? How?? Are there any sample PDF files on the net, a taster, so to speak?
@@uberbeast113 It's definitely not a silly question, since it's primarily more about the recording processes that EMI/Abbey Road used during the time the Beatles recorded there, and less about the Beatles directly. It goes into the minutia of things like mixing boards and compressors used, to microphones and cables. It has diagrams of where they stood and where mics were placed during recording, etc. It's also out of print (at the moment), which makes it sought after by those who seek such information. It's roughly 540 pages and weighs about as much as a small dog. LOL!
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Lowkey got heated😂 love this chabnel
The isolated bass on this song unlocked my bass playing a lot - because I realize Paul plays a bum note and the song still sounds fantastic. I became a lot less of a perfectionist after hearing that.
Loved the discussion. My only note is that nobody really knows how John's first 325 was wired. Rickenbacker has a theory, Glen Lambert has a theory (based on the two-control guitars), and a lot of other people have a theory that the middle pickup was disconnected. Because there's evidence that the guitar was rewired at least once, during the Burns refinish, trying to figure out what pickup was used on what song is an absolute crapshoot.
Take a listen to the solo played on the gent with both pickups. th-cam.com/video/kxleFuVzFic/w-d-xo.html Also, on the studio recording I can't hear Harrison playing except in the solo. Perhaps the first take featured a guide rhythm with a classical or acoustic.
Talking about the off beat strums here 10:57 what about a ukulele tuned to d (A D F# B)rather than c which is sometimes referred to as the English tuning. George was a big fan of George Formby not bright enough to be a uke-banjo. ??
Would’ve been brought up by George Martin at least once that the Beatles played a uke on all my loving lol
@@Bottled-Soap do you think so lol ✊🏻💦💦
I know this is a bit late but at 25:00 you said that the Rickenbacker 325 couldn't isolate the neck pickup. I am pretty sure you could. I have a c58 with the Glens Loom mod which is suppose to rewire to Johns factory specs. With this mod you can isolate each pickup. The Rickenbacker factory spec of the c58 is not accurate to the original c58 wiring as far as I know.
1:30 no they recorded she love you in July
sam, could Roll Over Beethoven be the song you were thinking of with the edit piece for the very last chord?
J-160e plugged in for the solo
Yeah its the bass!
The Gent and 325 clearly across the first american records and the all the brit issues
Still think its the Gent because that guitar was newer than the Gibson J 160 e . If you listen to Brian Sezter's chord parts on Stray Cat Strut he gets the same sound on his Grestch 6120 as George's on All My Loving but that is just my meager opinion
Here is another question…brought to mind by ALL MY LOVING and the FIRST SULLIVAN APPEARANCE on Feb. 9, 1964..in NY. For this show and only this first show, THEY ARE TUNED DOWN A 1/2 STEP…! I had realized this a few years ago..and it can be confirmed..the first chord they play on ALL MY is FMINOR..NOT F#Minor. I compared the other tunes too same appearance..tuned down…THE QUESTION.. is WHY were they tuned down here? Did you notice? From everything I have heard they NEVER DID IT AGAIN…IF you check the Feb 16 Sullivan show from MIAMI..the tunes are all back in standard even All My Loving, F#minor. Quite an oddity that they did this …maybe Georges recent flu bout ..even though he sang no lead on these appearances? Opinion?
i assume that georges sickness must have caused them to tune 1/2 step down. although he may not have a lead song in any of the sullivan shows in 1964, he still provided backup vocals on songs like she loves you, twist and shout, and please please me. i assume that maybe it must have been georges sickness, as they still played 1/2 step in their next concert, washing dc. it's also to note that the 1st was recorded and the 3rd show was prerecorded just before the beatles headed into miami for their 2nd show (and where john received his new rickenbacker), so it explains why the 3rd ed sullivan show was 1/2 step tune.
On first Ed Sullivan, the soundman or director simply didn't understand that the band had two lead singers - probably couldn't fathom such a thing - which resulted in John's mic being set at a low level, as he was reckoned to be the backing vocalist.
Most likely, Paul's singing lead on their opening track, All My Loving, influenced this misapprehension.
paul, what the FUCK is a chickenbox 😂😂😂🤣🤣 like, i know what you mean but i've just NEVER heard that term before and i snorted really hard
Sounds like John is using his Rickenbacker, for the triplets rhythm, the lead sounds like Georges, duo sonic, or country gentlemen, Gibson acoustic played for the main rhythm? The Beatles used flat wounds,
They used both. When John had his 325 restored, it even had a mix of flatwound and round on it. I’m pretty sure George used round as well. They had both from Selmer who produced Beatles-endorsed strings.
Solo Gent
They had four tracks, minimal overdubs, minimal eq… you guys talk like they ran this through protools. These were basically live recordings… George didn’t play a nylon string and a j160.
The ‘58 Ric is 100% on this song, and using either the mid or bridge.
I get your point about the relative simplicity of their setup but how does this relate to whether there was a Nylon string and a J-160e? Are you just saying they wouldn’t have bothered to add an overdub? They added an overdub on From Me To You months before in a similar way, which was equally recorded on a two track machine.
J-160e easily
Neck pickup on Hand?😂
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All My Loving was recorded on the 30th July 1963. George Harrison didn't purchase the Jose Ramirez until early 1964. There is no nylon string guitar on the recording at all.And that's beyond debate.
Well Womp Womp because there is some kind of nylon on all my loving
@@Bottled-Soap Well womp womp back anonymous man because there isn't. Why would there be a Spanish acoustic nylon stringed guitar on a rock and roll type of track?😂😂
There's definitely a Jose Ramirez nylon string on "Till There Was You," which was also recorded on July 30, 1963.
@@scottandrewbrass1931 There’s literally Till There Was You, maybe George borrowed a Nylon in those days
@@scottandrewbrass1931you’ve been real quiet. Womp Womp 🫵😂
Never argue with Jerry Hammack. LOL. It was George's Gent on All My Loving. It is also said that John Lennon disconnected the middle pickup on his Rickenbacker 325, because he didn’t like hearing the amplified clicks that would occur when he would strike it with his pick.
Do you not hear that Nylon string in the isolated section?
Could John have simply borrowed George's guitar? That's something bands will sometimes do, and it solves some of the presented problems.
Are you thinking it’s possible John used George’s Country Gentleman?
I don’t think we’ve considered that, it seems far more unlikely than John using either his Rickenbacker 325 or Gibson J-160e. I agree that would solve the lack of acoustic bleed and the pickup configuration thing, but I don’t think that guitar part ever sounded like a Country Gentleman to us. I’ll ask the other guys though!
@@GearThereEverywhere Maybe the Gent, maybe the Duo Jet, the former is more likely in terms of what would have been brought to the session, but I'm unsure what happened to the Duo Jet and it could have been there as a backup in case someone broke a string, and it has single coil pickups too.
Gent....Duh
"editing at the soundboard"? Get your terminology right!
We all knew what he meant!!
@@Liam.Hardy.Music.99 It goes to credibility, Your Honour.
@@giabgr nah, you’re just an annoying bastard 😘
What can be heard is the bleeding of Harrison's J160-E, there NO Spanish guitar on this song. Recorded in just 1 take, both players are using their J160-E models through their AC-30 amps. Period.
Can you seriously not hear the tonal difference between and steel strings? That is not the sound of steel strings.
@@thomaspappalardo7589 Sure, that's because those aren't steel strings but nickel.
Nah, there’s a classical guitar
@@Bottled-Soap Nah, that's bullshit.
@@thomaspappalardo7589 Play a steel strings guitar with no pick and you tell me.