Learning to flat water paddle up onto the foil. VLOG #46 PROGRESS!!
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 21 พ.ค. 2024
- 6 weeks into my journey I decided to try and get some footage from the shore of my technique and progress so far. Well worth the effort to get someone to capture your efforts as it shows the good and the bad.
Getting some really good progress which can now be improved by changing the bad technique captured on film. - กีฬา
Inspiring journey. I am in my second week. 56 yo, 6 feet, 70 kg, reasonably fit (run, swim, cycling, gym), but flat water paddle up demands so much output power (besides precise technique) that it is a very humbling experience. Keep up!
Hi Lee, thanx for the inspiration. I got the same setup. I managed to get up yesterday. My two cents: lose the sirus and get the curve 5xl. Put it all the the way in the front and stand way back on the cruzader. Front foot behind foot strap inserts. The Gong paddle with 9 blade helped me alot. I have 100kg and it took me about 15 sessions. Keep going. You are almost there. Cheers from lake konstanz
Thanks for the advice.
Unfortunately I am unable to buy anything because I cannot get it shipped to this country. What I have is what I have to continue with.
I’ve had some real progress lately and it’s all coming together. Hopefully lots of pump time to come
Heli Boy we believe in you. Continue your training and you will make it. You have a perfect spot to train every day. Greetings from Italy
Thank you for the support and encouragement ❤️
Great work and commitment. Still trying to learn myself. Looks like fresh water have you tried in the sea more buoyancy plus a little help from boat wakes might be all you need.
Hi.
These canals are salt water. Caribbean VERY salty water lol. No boat wakes on the canals. They are almost unused by boats.
More strength and speed needed.
Good luck with your journey. Don’t give up.
We are all pulling for you!! Sending you lots of mana and aloha from Oahu 🤙
Thank you.🙏 ❤️
I cracked it recently. Things that helped:
1. Really lean forward and get low bending the knees and using your legs to help with the paddling (before you start pumping). Shorter paddle length helps (mine is just under head high)
2. High cadence and little pumps at the start.
3. Don't keep the paddle in the water too long, it shouldn't be in the water behind your front foot. (Again this helps stay forward
4. Keep the board flat, don't try to bring it up too steeply
Thank you.
I learned a lot from my shore based video. Really showed that I wasn’t doing any of that.really concentrated on the technique now.
Fitness and less weight are the biggest goals now.
How long is your paddle? It looks like it might be too long.
Edit: ok I saw that you said it’s 3 inches over your height. Try it 2-3 inches below and bend at knees more. You’ll have a shorter stroke and higher cadence. The goal is to get your weight over and forward of the blade during the power phase of the stroke in sync and in sequence with the ‘bounce up’ of your board pump. For that brief moment when the board is bouncing up and you're effectively weightless, this is the moment when you're applying max pressure to the paddle to get you up and over the blade if that makes sense. A shorter paddle makes this all easier. Hope this helps.
Thanks for the insight. I have now adjusted my paddle length and strokes so hoping it makes a difference. This is really hard!!
th-cam.com/video/tf38Q6CVQAk/w-d-xo.htmlsi=TfzZ0KCeOmfGZADt
One of the best vids I’ve seen on technique. Fast forward to 3:30
@@bleeper808 I’ve seen that one before and now it makes a lot more sense. Before you start this journey you watch things and can’t actually replicate because so many basic things are wrong. I’m now concentrating on the forward paddle position as well as the timing.
I did 50 perfectly synchronised paddle strokes to pumps today. Not with a huge amount of power and short strokes but I feel the foil and the balance now. These exercises allow progression to the next powered up stages.
If I was 20 kgs lighter I think I would be up now but alas more training required
@@heliboy999fly just a matter of time. Keep at it, you’re almost there!
@@bleeper808I found around the 4 minute mark was the real game changer for me in the SUP mag video. Heli- watch how he bounces the board in a rhythm with the foil and board. Your set up will have its own rhythm. Focus on the pump not just the paddling. Then add the stroke back in at different rhythms. Maybe one stroke for each 4 pumps. Then double the cadence to 1 stroke strokes for every 2 pumps and then finally one stroke per pump. This drill really helped me keep pumping hard when I was paddling hard. It’s really easy to lose pump intensity as you paddle harder but the drill reinforces a ‘pump first paddle second’ mentality. It’s the pumping that’s going to artificially reduce your hull length and allow you to go faster…
Loving your commitment Just a question have you experimented with mast position under the board...my suggestion is move mast forward to create more lift this increases front foot pressure ...
Hi.
Yes. I moved it fully forward for a while but it didn’t feel right at the time and I kept diving the nose of the board which produced a lot of drag. I have moved it forward again recently and I am working on the pump to not dive the nose. So many things to try and think about
Totally admire your commitment Just about to start the same journey..... Mind you 4 more years on you ...and have winging experience Just one question what foil are you running underneath
Gong Sirus 5XL. The largest Sirus tail wing too. Need every bit of lift but it’s heavy.
Got a HM 72 mast to mount it all on.
Good luck. It’s hard. Very hard
Good Stuff - I've been trying for quite a bit myself and felt I finally had the balance and paddle technique and gear that should work, then I watched Gwen''s pump foil video on the Damien channel and came to a horrible conclusion - I need to switch my stance from regular to goofy if I ever want to do this - so its back to square one for me.
What foil do you have? I was looking at the Gong Fluid 4XLH as my next move before this revelation happened but for now will be sticking with my current foil until I get goofy dialed in someday.
That’s fairly drastic! Surely you knew what stance you was comfortable with at the start? Why do you feel you need to change?
I have the Sirus 5XL. It’s a monster but at 106kg I need everything on my side.
Oh its a really long story that starts in 1993 when I walked into a snowboard shop for the first time. I am fully left handed and left footed and when asked which stance felt more comfortable I went with dominant foot forward - as when skidding on ice - and from that came thirty plus years of regular foot surfing and snowboarding - and both sides for windsurfing and kiteboarding. Always felt fine. So when I started SUP thats where I was.
But - it has become clear that for foiling, especially sup paddleup, I will benefit tremendously from the added power from my left side. And as a final nail - my right hip is now made out of metal since 10 years back and it seems like a smart move to slide that added stress to the other side going forward. Today I go for session three as a newly minted goofy footer. Hopefully I will soon be paddling straight once again.
I feel your pain. I’m exactly where you are in paddle up. However you’ve got foiling experience. I’d say “nose to toes” with the paddle might help pull you up???
I like that! I shall be reciting it from now on.
Good tip about the breathing technique my light wind sail pumping improved massive when I remember to breath every repertition
Also if you can shim your mast so you have one deg negative the foil will be engaged without having to sink the tail wich is like putting the brakes on
Keep up the hard work 💪
Thanks Elliot.
Early days the breathing was something so far back on the list of things to think about but now I’m starting to find some continuity in my paddle and pump I’m able to think about other things.
Got a 20 stroke run today which is insane compared to 5-6 last week.
The shimming probably won’t work. Need to really bounce the board to work the foil but slightly faster board speed will get it working without really sinking the tail.
However, nothing is off the table lol
Hope you are getting out on the water lots matey. 👍
The shim I referred to is on the mast not the stab it gives me the edge in very light wind to shim noes down
1deg if I'm powered up and touchdown at speed is a worry I go 2deg nose up
Loving the challenge you have set yourself, keep it up
Have you tried looking at breathing techniques to help with stamina and recovery.
Recommend the book breath by james nestor
Anything that will help will be considered. Fitness is improving but I can see I am going to need everyone on my side
Tu n'es pas synchronisé. Appuis sur ta jambe avant quand tu rames. Tu fais l'inverse, ou presque l'inverse ! 😉
merci.
c'est tellement difficile d'avoir le timing.
chaque section aura besoin de travail.
regarder des milliers de vidéos TH-cam aide.
Hi iv just been looking at some light wind pumping technique there's a bit in this clip where he mentions starting your bord pump of your front foot not something I have seen before might be another piece of the puzzle
m.youtube.com/@kyriakosgiakoumaroswingandwind
This is who I’ve been watching for technique. It’s very extreme and not subtle at all. Power and dynamic movement.
A wing can be pumped forward and also up to unweight the board so different pump styles can be used. This is all from the paddle. Almost stalling the foil with the extreme angle but maximum lift and an extreme front foot down pump to recover the angle of attack.
So many parts that need to be right. And fitness