You could easily program a arduino board to automate that start process. It would add a consistent start everytime by monitoring the EGT temp and trend. Call it a poor man’s FADEC.
@@dtllcmotorsportwa I think you are correct. Tapping into the output of the sensors wich could be analog or digital. Define the ranges and then program the control to happen at different variations. The If/then scenario is all it would need. I built a autopilot for my RC airplane doing just that.
I’ve always really enjoyed the Mosquito Helicopter on numerous channel’s over the years… However, I have particularly enjoyed your channel because of your professionalism, attention to detail, obvious love of general aviation and, well, frankly your welcome attitude! Kudos my friend! I hope to meet you one day! (after I get my private pilot’s license) out of the way!!! Love your channel bro!
@ConservativeOkie well THANK YOU for your support. We are having so much fun sharing this passion of Aviation with everyone for sure. I personally really enjoy learning and the experiences this has brought to me over the past 4 years. Comments like these are confirmations to keep moving forward with what we are doing. So THANK YOU again!
It is something that you basically "wear" when you go flying but has the traditional controls of all the bigger helicopters out there. Definitely a fun "craft" to fly!
I worked at a Garret service center and we took on the overhaul capabilities on the Sundstrand T40 T62 APU engines and they were always toast inside. If anything it will be expensive to maintain in servicable condition.
These are the solar t-62 engines and because it is on an experimental aircraft the costs are a bit less. We (Mosquito Owners) are fortunate to have a guy that supports this engine and not charge the certified rates.
@@chuckfranklin6621 How often is maintenance required that you can't handle in garage? What's the rough estimate of your overall routine maintenance cost so far with your craft?
@@serronserron1320 I have had mine together and flying now since end of March. Very little maintenance as long as you are not stupid with it. Every 25 hours there is maintenance schedule of things to look at. Of course there is the annual you have to get signed off every year but that is with any aircraft.
@@serronserron1320 I had the MZ202 and no major issues. Composite FX is coming out with their replacement for the MZ202 and will be a much better engine. If you are not a rated pilot that is the way to go. The next steps up (285-90 and Turbine require helicopter ratings). You can’t go wrong with the quality and safety of this machine!
That's sad for you. 5 inches is very small and you can't even use it correctly? This man has flown on his land for a long time and is practiced and experienced with more than 5 inches. Wow.
To be more accurate you should change your title by "Mosquito Heli - How to Start Worlds Most Searched Turbine Helicopter" Preflight check is to go around the heli to check everything is fine. By the way i really appreciate your videos, especially when it comes to the Mosquito... -----> New Title is perfect ;-)
Got rides in 2 different Hillers , a Robinson R-22, a Hughes 500, and the biggest was the Bell Jet Ranger...... The Hillers were wild as the pilot added a weight bar adjustment to the fuselage near the tail rotor according to our passenger weights. We were surveying for timber cutting along the US/CDN border with Columbia Helicopter Logging. That dude put his skids on logs on the side of a mountain LZ and kept it there while we unloaded all our gear which was strapped to baskets out side the cabin. So exciting man!!
I’m a EMS Bell 206 L-4 guy. I understand the reasoning of that red guarded fuel solenoid/ injector switch, but man it don’t even lock in the up position? I guess if you don’t hit it or something fall down onto it, your fine. I’m weird I guess because out of the entire helo panel layout, that was most concerning to me. I’d still like to own one someday. Very smooth! I’d like to see a cost breakdown video on this model.
I agree that Killswitch makes me very nervous. While it’s hard to imagine a scenario in which you hit it by accident, that’s why we call them accidents. Things happen. Perhaps there’s some trouble while in the air and you’re attempting to manipulate one of the breakers. Just one wrong move with your hand and down you go, don’t like it one bit
Coo-well! Very nice copter, but all that start/shutdown procedure makes a good case for a piston engine, sort of like in the old days gas vs. steam power cars. But, I sure like that turbine!
Is this a mechanically direct to the single spool of the G.T.E?or still it has a free power turbine/split shaft? On my mind hows possible that you could overtemp the the turbine? Im mean in start up yes but during the spooling of the mainshaft was a questionable in my mind...hows that possible?please sir me i know the things i dont know
Sounds so much better than a Hirth with its dirt bike ding dang ding ding! Good concise explanation of turbine start up proceedure. Wish to hell we had part 103 flying here in the law ridden UK. You need a PPL here to fly an ultralight. (N) and a full helicopter license to fly even an autogyro! I do understand that we are a tiny island with very busy airways ,but this is one of the reasons why Britain is not an air minded nation.
I'm thinking that to make that much noise you have to burn a whole bunch of fuel. The range on this thing must be abysmal. Can it stay up for long enough to recharge the battery after a start or is it limited to half a dozen laps around the cornfield? I mean it's cool as hell but to be practicable you need at least an hour of range like the 1909 Wright military flyer. Also I guess you'd have to land where there's food because you ain't bringing any with you.
The thing has the a mean look to it I'm imagining it as a mini gunship with a 40mm automatic grenade launcher in the nose rockets and missile or 50bmg minigun on some short wings with hard points and a slightly bigger engine with a 3 bladed rotor that would be an impressive little bird at a decent price.
Is this a turbine engine or a jet engine? My understanding is that a turbine engine turns the shafts only but a jet engine would give jet propulsion. This aircraft seems to only be a turbine powered engine. I'm not trying to be a critical just trying to get some clarification for myself. In my mind it's a little confusing calling this a jet engine.Thanks
@@ExperimentalAircraftChannel No worries. Makes sense. Not sure on the actual legalities of flying an aircraft around with no visible N number and showing it on video. I know it seems harmless enough but you just never know with the Feds. Cool video btw.
I've seen a handful videos about these small helis and in every one they just fly laps around a small field and then land. I sure hope thats not all people are doing with these things. Please tell me people do actually fly around for more then 10 minutes for the money they have into them.
These helicopters top out at 110 cruise is like 80 or 90. But since it using a Chinook apu as main power for the helo it makes sense for the pilot to monitor it
The turbine is controlled by the turbine FCU (Fuel Control Unit) which is a mecanical system which comes with the turbine as part of it. It is military grade so very reliable and once at 100% engine rpm it keeps it there no matter what collective input you give to it. You just have to watch the EGT (Exhause Gaz Temperature) not over reaching 1000°F.
The instructor over complicated the start up process. It’s really easy, just start the fuel pump, hit the starter up to 25%, hit the igniter, roll throttle up to 50%, release starter, roll throttle up to 75%, turn off igniter, roll throttle to 100%. Whole process takes 60 seconds
Why doesn’t he fly much at much altitude? Not confident enough? Also that start process seems very prone to error, like all you need to do to over temp the engine is give it to much throttle (hence fuel) during startup. Im surprised it’s not computerised, even in an experimental craft.
There really shouldn’t be a scenario in which you do a push over in a helicopter unless you’re flying extremely fast and extremely low over obstacles. As long as you aren’t blindly flying through the mountains you should be fine
Hey... it get's cold here in FL too! :-) In fact... it is 33 degrees F right now in the FL Panhandle. But seriously... a "COLD START" is simply a cold start/first start as apposed to a second start or already warm start no? Or what else are you referring to for clarity? Thanks for taking the time to watch by the way! :-D
I forget off the top of my head how much the rotor weighs (We are doing a segment VERY soon on their rotors as they now make them "in house." Bet there is a bit of weight in mass rotation both above and on the tail (as he explains in the video) which gives them a big "flywheel" effect. And they have a very efficient rotor (I am told) that also helps. Thank You for chatting here! Love the engagement!
I like how this man talks about the care of a jet engine and the dues and don'ts
Do’s & Dont’s. /smh.
@@ZoeSummers1701A Dont's ??
I'm a helicopter pilot and this is the best explanation i've ever heard hands down.
Awesome
One man, one man boogie….
I thought so too! He was excellent!
I need this to beat the traffic in the morning.
Try finding landing spots. That was my issue. It's not legal to land in most cities, outside of airports.
This chap is excellent at teaching .
That was a high quality explanation. Does seem like a lot of manual process but it is cool to know why all the steps are required.
You could easily program a arduino board to automate that start process. It would add a consistent start everytime by monitoring the EGT temp and trend. Call it a poor man’s FADEC.
ChatGPT could probably give your code a good start...
Yes, or a Rasberry Pi, same idea.
@@dtllcmotorsportwa I think you are correct. Tapping into the output of the sensors wich could be analog or digital. Define the ranges and then program the control to happen at different variations. The If/then scenario is all it would need. I built a autopilot for my RC airplane doing just that.
@Tld0026 can you make a video on your rc autopilot, or just share me something so I can contact you
Lmao ok. 😂😂
I’ve always really enjoyed the Mosquito Helicopter on numerous channel’s over the years… However, I have particularly enjoyed your channel because of your professionalism, attention to detail, obvious love of general aviation and, well, frankly your welcome attitude! Kudos my friend! I hope to meet you one day! (after I get my private pilot’s license) out of the way!!! Love your channel bro!
@ConservativeOkie well THANK YOU for your support. We are having so much fun sharing this passion of Aviation with everyone for sure. I personally really enjoy learning and the experiences this has brought to me over the past 4 years. Comments like these are confirmations to keep moving forward with what we are doing. So THANK YOU again!
You've made a real contribution here. Thank you!
Looks like s fun little helicopter! I would love to fly one someday!
It is something that you basically "wear" when you go flying but has the traditional controls of all the bigger helicopters out there. Definitely a fun "craft" to fly!
@@ExperimentalAircraftChannel Can morbidly obese people fly in these things as a serious question?
No. In fact for reference I weighed 230lbs and would have had to pay thousands extra to pilot a bigger Robinson due to the weight limit.
If you are "morbidly" obese then I hesitate to ask if it's safe for you or the crew to fly even in a bigger helo like a jetranger or md
Amazing what a little apu is capable of.
That is one smart dude!
Awesome vid.....thanks for sharing. God bless ya
They have a working helicopter, yet they stay as close to the ground as possible. FLY! GO UP!
They have to stay under the radar
Exactly what I was wondering.
He’s flying so low because it makes for more dramatic footage. Once you’re up at altitude the world moves very slow
I worked at a Garret service center and we took on the overhaul capabilities on the Sundstrand T40 T62 APU engines and they were always toast inside. If anything it will be expensive to maintain in servicable condition.
These are the solar t-62 engines and because it is on an experimental aircraft the costs are a bit less. We (Mosquito Owners) are fortunate to have a guy that supports this engine and not charge the certified rates.
@@chuckfranklin6621 How often is maintenance required that you can't handle in garage? What's the rough estimate of your overall routine maintenance cost so far with your craft?
@@serronserron1320 I have had mine together and flying now since end of March. Very little maintenance as long as you are not stupid with it. Every 25 hours there is maintenance schedule of things to look at. Of course there is the annual you have to get signed off every year but that is with any aircraft.
@@chuckfranklin6621 What do you think of the MZ202 Carbureted Air Cooled or the other ones that the company uses in their kids?
@@serronserron1320 I had the MZ202 and no major issues. Composite FX is coming out with their replacement for the MZ202 and will be a much better engine. If you are not a rated pilot that is the way to go. The next steps up (285-90 and Turbine require helicopter ratings). You can’t go wrong with the quality and safety of this machine!
That is barely enough space to fly my five-inch drone there and this guy flew a frickin helicopter around there!
What an absolute legend of a man! ^^
That's sad for you. 5 inches is very small and you can't even use it correctly? This man has flown on his land for a long time and is practiced and experienced with more than 5 inches. Wow.
To be more accurate you should change your title by "Mosquito Heli - How to Start Worlds Most Searched Turbine Helicopter" Preflight check is to go around the heli to check everything is fine. By the way i really appreciate your videos, especially when it comes to the Mosquito... -----> New Title is perfect ;-)
Got rides in 2 different Hillers , a Robinson R-22, a Hughes 500, and the biggest was the Bell Jet Ranger......
The Hillers were wild as the pilot added a weight bar adjustment to the fuselage near the tail rotor according to our passenger weights. We were surveying for timber cutting along the US/CDN border with Columbia Helicopter Logging. That dude put his skids on logs on the side of a mountain LZ and kept it there while we unloaded all our gear which was strapped to baskets out side the cabin. So exciting man!!
Adjusting the cog 🤘🙏🤠
Turbine and piston motors , love sounds of both !. Turbine though takes subtlety to start , excellent guide. Thanks guys. Dave
Sweet , turbine power , too cool ! Thanks ! 🖖
I love it.i wanna build that kind of
It's a cute little chopper. Wonder if they have experimented with a 3 rotor version or more.
As the old saying goes, if it aint broke dont fix it.
I’m a EMS Bell 206 L-4 guy. I understand the reasoning of that red guarded fuel solenoid/ injector switch, but man it don’t even lock in the up position? I guess if you don’t hit it or something fall down onto it, your fine. I’m weird I guess because out of the entire helo panel layout, that was most concerning to me. I’d still like to own one someday. Very smooth! I’d like to see a cost breakdown video on this model.
I agree that Killswitch makes me very nervous. While it’s hard to imagine a scenario in which you hit it by accident, that’s why we call them accidents. Things happen. Perhaps there’s some trouble while in the air and you’re attempting to manipulate one of the breakers. Just one wrong move with your hand and down you go, don’t like it one bit
Excellent.
Thank You!
How much fuel does it hold and how much flying time
Interesting info!
Beautiful!, whats the cost of a "ready to fly" one?
Fantástica y bella nave
Great video. Is the starter motor a BLDC? And after it's starts up does it becomes a power generator? Thanks
Coo-well! Very nice copter, but all that start/shutdown procedure makes a good case for a piston engine, sort of like in the old days gas vs. steam power cars. But, I sure like that turbine!
Awesome 👍thanks
How much weight can you have on board? How much do these run with the engine included with a jet turbine built from the factory?
Their website says $77k built, $60k for the kit.
Empty weight 420 lbs, max gross weight 820 lbs
Does the heli have the power to long line? What is empty wt and gross wt.?
Looks amazing helicopter to fly. How safe is it?
Really cool, but can it fly any higher?
That turbine is literally the size of the auxiliary power unit on the Blackhawk. I am looking at one of these to get back into flying.
It is the APU IN CH 47 and Blackhawk
maybe i missed it but did the craft ever get more than 10 feet off the ground?
Maybe not for this video, but there is a guy who shows full POV flights
What's the easiest kit plane to build? Or maybe a better question is which one currently has the highest completion rate?
Probably Van’s or Kitfox.
Whats your skill level, this question is very subjective. What is a breeze for me, might be very difficult for you.
@@boostedbadboyzx12r31 Is it possible or a caveman who has never seen power tools before to build one of these kits?
Is this a mechanically direct to the single spool of the G.T.E?or still it has a free power turbine/split shaft? On my mind hows possible that you could overtemp the the turbine? Im mean in start up yes but during the spooling of the mainshaft was a questionable in my mind...hows that possible?please sir me i know the things i dont know
This is a direct drive shaft turbine, not free turbine. It uses a centrifugal clutch in order to engage
Sounds so much better than a Hirth with its dirt bike ding dang ding ding!
Good concise explanation of turbine start up proceedure.
Wish to hell we had part 103 flying here in the law ridden UK. You need a PPL here to fly an ultralight. (N) and a full helicopter license to fly even an autogyro!
I do understand that we are a tiny island with very busy airways ,but this is one of the reasons why Britain is not an air minded nation.
Jet engine makes the difference!
I'm thinking that to make that much noise you have to burn a whole bunch of fuel. The range on this thing must be abysmal. Can it stay up for long enough to recharge the battery after a start or is it limited to half a dozen laps around the cornfield? I mean it's cool as hell but to be practicable you need at least an hour of range like the 1909 Wright military flyer. Also I guess you'd have to land where there's food because you ain't bringing any with you.
This is just a toy to buzz the treetops. Nobody is going on any cross country trips in a single seat open cockpit helicopter with no doors
An hour for the turbine. 3hrs for the piston engine
Getting one .
So what’s its service ceiling? 50’? The pilot is competent in handling at ground effect.
So is that as high as it goes??
what if Engine stops mid air? ANy emergency exit?
So you can build turbine time on this?
Alrighty then, for my 290, I'll stick with the 800cc 2-cylinder 2-stroke thank you very much. 😊👌
i don’t think i’ve ever seen a video of one of these out of ground effect. does anyone do anything with them other than fly around a field?
There are heaps of people flying over 1000 metres. One bloke in NZ flying around the mountains. There is a search function at top of screen.
They probably want to live! Wouldn't you?
Would You skin dive in 3000ft of water .... no. Its boring. All the fun stuff is close to the ground not at 3000 ft above ground. I hope this helps.
Search and rescue is a big thing. Rightfully so
Does anyone get more than 10 ft above ground in these
Oh, damn! I don't need another kit to build... How much??
The thing has the a mean look to it I'm imagining it as a mini gunship with a 40mm automatic grenade launcher in the nose rockets and missile or 50bmg minigun on some short wings with hard points and a slightly bigger engine with a 3 bladed rotor that would be an impressive little bird at a decent price.
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It starts easy?
Do they not fly at altitude???
Is this a turbine engine or a jet engine? My understanding is that a turbine engine turns the shafts only but a jet engine would give jet propulsion. This aircraft seems to only be a turbine powered engine. I'm not trying to be a critical just trying to get some clarification for myself. In my mind it's a little confusing calling this a jet engine.Thanks
Why are the aircraft's numbers covered with painter's tape?
Is that just an APU jet?
What the run time🤔, doesn’t look like there’s much room for a lot of fuel?!
1hr for the turbine, 3hrs for the piston engine
wow. and I thought icing the carburetor was a lot to worry about.
No cup holder?
How much is insurance a year?
I want one. 😊
Why is the N number taped Up?
Because that is going to a customer/owner that doesn't want their Number advertised in video. That simple. ;-) (Good eye!) Thanks for watching.
@@ExperimentalAircraftChannel No worries. Makes sense. Not sure on the actual legalities of flying an aircraft around with no visible N number and showing it on video. I know it seems harmless enough but you just never know with the Feds. Cool video btw.
I've seen a handful videos about these small helis and in every one they just fly laps around a small field and then land. I sure hope thats not all people are doing with these things. Please tell me people do actually fly around for more then 10 minutes for the money they have into them.
Start-up convoluted much?
What is "DRAWL"..?
かわいいヘリだね
They ever gonna make a video of this thing flying more than 10 feet off the ground?
AMERICA … you never stop surprising me. 🫡
Cheers from the French alps.
I want one.
Mérci pout tout les détails
Anyone try to put remote controls in it to turn it into a giant camera drone?
I saw a factory video that mentioned they make a unmanned version.
@@neilcigelske4454 Cool!
EXCUSE ME, HOW MANY KILOMETERS OF DISTANCE CAN THAT MOSQUITO TRAVEL IN A SINGLE FLIGHT?
Look to be about 1 hour at 80MPH. See link to their site: composite-fx.com/models/xet/
14:05 I hope he didn't exceed 45 mph.
Most APUs start and monitor themselves. Why doesn't this engine use such a computer?
These helicopters top out at 110 cruise is like 80 or 90. But since it using a Chinook apu as main power for the helo it makes sense for the pilot to monitor it
Dear Santa, I was a good boy this year, will you please send me the Mosquito Jet Helicopter, I believe in you.
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nice.. omg to much work,,, put a fadec box in it for me plz lol
I'm 5 11 ish I'm I in the ok height range ?
i wonder if they make fadecs for that turbine. sure sounds like it needs one
Unsure. Would be interesting to do a deeper dive into the installation and operation/control for that engine for sure. NOTED. :-)
The turbine is controlled by the turbine FCU (Fuel Control Unit) which is a mecanical system which comes with the turbine as part of it. It is military grade so very reliable and once at 100% engine rpm it keeps it there no matter what collective input you give to it. You just have to watch the EGT (Exhause Gaz Temperature) not over reaching 1000°F.
The instructor over complicated the start up process. It’s really easy, just start the fuel pump, hit the starter up to 25%, hit the igniter, roll throttle up to 50%, release starter, roll throttle up to 75%, turn off igniter, roll throttle to 100%. Whole process takes 60 seconds
Flying close to the dead-mans curve. Be safe....
Yeah there's nothing like the smell of jet A
We can fly a helicopter like this Without license
Funny little toy
didn't show the actual startup sequence 😞
Whistling diesel doesn't need any instructions 😂
CUTE for sure ....BUT🤔.
😎👍
Why doesn’t he fly much at much altitude? Not confident enough? Also that start process seems very prone to error, like all you need to do to over temp the engine is give it to much throttle (hence fuel) during startup. Im surprised it’s not computerised, even in an experimental craft.
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These 2 bladed choppers scare me, when a mast bump happens that is literally it. You have a 300 foot drop to think about the good parts of your life.
Having flowned thousands of hours in 2 blade helos the trick is never go below 1/2 Positive G, you will not have a problem
There really shouldn’t be a scenario in which you do a push over in a helicopter unless you’re flying extremely fast and extremely low over obstacles. As long as you aren’t blindly flying through the mountains you should be fine
Why is everyone complaining that they didn't go higher? That's not what this video was about.
A cold start in Florida? This makes me question everything that I learned for a cold start in New Hampshire.......
I know right. 😂
Hey... it get's cold here in FL too! :-) In fact... it is 33 degrees F right now in the FL Panhandle. But seriously... a "COLD START" is simply a cold start/first start as apposed to a second start or already warm start no? Or what else are you referring to for clarity? Thanks for taking the time to watch by the way! :-D
@@jasongrinnell1986 You don't live in FL either?! 🙂
The problem I have is you don’t go anywhere. You’re so close to the ground the whole time it’s as if you don’t trust your equipment
Or maybe the video just isn't about the flight. It's about pre-flight.
Noice
Thank You!
Spoilt by too many adverts !
Jet Engine?
Nope, that's a Gas Turbine..... there is a difference.
just outsource the production to china so it can be affordable
May we see an autorotation from you maximum above-ground altitude of 20 feet, please. 👍
Look on YT there are plenty of videos of nice autos from 4' and up, go to their fly in and see em' in person. Quite a jam up little helo
😂 At 20’ you better have airspeed. Very low mass rotor system, not forgiving!
@@melissasmess2773 no problem at 20' as the mosquito has a lot of energie in the mass rotor system... a lot more than a R22
I forget off the top of my head how much the rotor weighs (We are doing a segment VERY soon on their rotors as they now make them "in house." Bet there is a bit of weight in mass rotation both above and on the tail (as he explains in the video) which gives them a big "flywheel" effect. And they have a very efficient rotor (I am told) that also helps. Thank You for chatting here! Love the engagement!
@@melissasmess2773 you'd be surprised! there is a video I believe out there of straight down autos no speed at multiple heights.
Greetings: It is a turbine not a "jet".
Going only 5 feet off the ground not much fun