Sorry having a history “nerdgasm” here but it would be a standard 8mm camera (Bell and Howell 414 Zoom) that would capture one of the worst tragedies in 20th century American History, The JFK Assassination. The infamous “frame 313” (Zapruder Film) shot on Kodachrome 25 is the shot (no pun intended) that shows in detail the final blow to (in my opinión) one of the greatest presidents of the 20th century. Again, all captured on Standard 8mm.
Great video as always! So this mag loads like a projector reel, got it. The rule for 16mm and 35mm loads is "9 P", but this regular 8mm mag is "P 9". Yeah, it gets confusing, since "9 P" or "E I / EO" only tells you one part, the other part is where the perfs go (= orientation of the image). Not easy with double perf'd film.... Agreed: these Revere cameras from Chicago, IL, are beautiful pieces of Art Deco Americana. Gorgeous! P.S. the images are beautiful. I think the best 8mm format is probably double Super 8. Way back in 1881 I have seen Tri-X footage of Double Super 8 shot on a Canon (very similar to the 16mm Scoopic): awesome.
Thanks so much! I'd never heard the "P9" or "9P" references, but it makes so much sense. Thanks for the tip! I really do like this Revere 8 Magazine camera. I also have it's big brother, the Revere 16 Magazine and it's equally groovy! Really fun to shoot these things.
@@Filmboy24 You are welcome. Yeah, the "9 P" rule is for 16mm side-by-side daylight spools and side-by-side 16mm and 35mm film magazines, such as the classic Mitchells, ARRIs, CP's,.... With coaxial it gets a bit more difficult, but you can usually imagine these as a folded "9 P", unless it's an Aaton A Minima LOL.
I found an academic paper online a film student wrote that goes into detail about the rise and fall of the Standard 8mm format which Kodak discontinued i think somewhere in the 90s?. I printed the paper and is in my “Movie Film Ref” binder along with the other film format history. 8mm was born out of the Great Depression as 16mm (even back in the 30s) seemed too expensive for the amateur/consumer film maker. 8mm revolutionized home movies but as we all know Super 8 would displace it and the standard 8mm market was kept alive by one single company for awhile and that was Fomapan. Now there’s a little bit more variety for D8 stocks thanks to the Film Photography Project who i think just reperfs the 16mm film from Kodak?
Kodak pulled the plug on 8mm kodachrome around 1992/3. However fresh stock was still available via resellers until around c2006, it was known as cinechrome. Kodak still produced 7285 8mm 100d on 400ft rolls until c2012.
I know exactly what you mean! I shot my first roll of D8 8mm a few years ago and was ecstatic with the results. I used a canon 8-3 that is still working great. Thanks for showing that 100 stock I was wondering how it would come out with D76. What a fun Channel you have thanks for sharing all your discoveries! I'll toss a vote in on a video of how to load an 8mm cart.
Hi Love that, last year , inspired by the chance to see what it was like to shoot on 8mm after shooting on super 8 i had a go, also inspired by FPP, i shot some 8mm ( not cartridge type ) and was amazed by results, the super 8 is brill, but makes me realize some of the cameras before super 8 were made like a tank ! and the 70's saw mass plastic production of everything ! including the projectors too and although you have to change reel after 25 foot, you can experiment with manual F stops etc as many cheep super 8's are automatic, like my Bolex 233 C, i did not copy La Blatte i saw his comments after i posted mine
I could not agree more about the build quality of these older, heavy duty, metal cameras. I feel like they'll run forever, whereas some of the "newer" , plastic stuff seem so fragile. I also feel like the simplicity of just changing the lens f-stop and focusing is very refreshing. Most of the crazy features on high end super 8 cameras are never really needed.
@@Filmboy24 Thanks hoping to shoot some reversal colour soon, only place i can buy reversal colour is a web site in uk called on8mill, will give it a try over summer
I sure did. The hardest part is getting 25' measured out properly in the dark. I've been kind of working on a better system, but loading the mags is always the same. Here's the video: th-cam.com/video/EBLIovQ8zoA/w-d-xo.htmlsi=nzB5G5k0QMCZq5eL
Hey mike! I just got one of these revere cartridge loaders. Since FPP are doing regular 8 cartridges why not? And I got this unusual 8mm camera / projector combo thing called the “Cine Twin” but I don’t have a cord for it. It also runs on D-Cell batteries too.
Groovy!!! I've seen those Wittnauer Cine Twin machines before but never messed with one. I know there's the camera and the base and the camera doubles as a projector also. I had the chance to grab one about 25 years ago but didn't for some reason. Seems like they'd be fun to play around with. Let me know how you like it.
@@Filmboy24 I need a bulb for the projector but that part seems to mechanically function. I don’t have 3 D cell batteries at the moment to run the camera part. I only paid $8 for this thing. And I atleast got 3 D-mount lenses out of the deal if this one doesn’t work out!
So I got curious a re-visited that paper. According to that author’s research, a complete 16mm film package pre-8mm film was $335. Wow! I’m not sure what that is adjusted for inflation but Im going to guess it’s probably close to or at 1K in today’s money. No way an unemployed artist during the Great Depression could have afforded that. 16mm film is probably cheaper today than it was during its “golden era.” So 8mm film def made home movies more accessible to those artists that were impacted by the Great Depression.
I have always preferred shooting Regular 8mm to Super 8 for a number of reasons. I mostly just enjoy the more hands on interaction with the reg 8 format. I also think one is less likely to get registration jitters using regular 8, although frame size is reduced. I now know how hard it isn't to load a reg 8 magazine, I have never owned a magazine camera nor tried loading for one, thanks for the lesson. I do hope that you are able to get the H8 sorted, that is a nice camera. Your film came out great, the exposure is awesome, quality lenses and camera results. It is much much better than my first attempt at developing and splitting it. Not sure where the line on the right side of frame came from but the D96 process worked splendidly. One day you should try shooting a roll and scan it unsplit. It comes out cool, just remember on the second run images are inverted unless you shoot with the camera upside down.
Thanks a million, Cecil!! This was so much fun, I'm really dying to get my H8 sorted out. I'd love to be able to shoot & process 100' of film (200' 8mm). I mean, it's kind of a 200' magazine, nestled into my 100' camera. That's about 11 minutes of run time at my favored 24 FPS. Thanks again for your help (and push, hehe)!
I will always choose a solid Bolex registration plate over the flimsy plastic registration plate of a cartridge. What does it matter that the image is slightly bigger if it's jittering because of the plastic pressure plate?
I have a revere 8 model 70 but I’m having trouble finding film magazine to put in are there any on Amazon I can use or where a reliable store to find them online?
Hello, the best way to get a magazine is to grab one on Ebay. Search for "Kodachrome 8mm magazine". There are a few on there now. Kodachrome is tough to get images from these days, but you can reload the magazines with fresher film from FPP.
Great content! I have a Kodak Brownie 8mm camera in near mint condition, given to me as a gift. I have not bought film, but will eventually. Love the look of 8mm. That camera is beautiful. I assume the process includes using a light meter? The purely mechanical wind up cameras are just amazing pieces of engineering!
Thanks so much! Yes, I just used 2 different light meter apps on my phone for this test. That little Revere 8 wind up camera worked very well and I'm surprised how well those lenses did. I used a Paillard 13mm and Wollensak 9mm for everything.
The magazine was sure a great improvement over the spools! But my happiest day was when Kodak came out with Super 8. I enjoyed your film but wish you would have performed more in it. I’ve used the round version of that splitter and never had the line thing happen that I recall. So it probably was the mag. Anyway, that splitter brought back memories of my days messing with Caffenol. When that study came out, I jumped into it with both feet. Surprisingly I got some pretty decent footage. I used 60’s and 70’s Kodachrome. I just kept trying different things until it worked. I wish I had kept notes because I’d kinda like to play with it again. I just used the KODAK Brownie with f/1.9 lens wide open. It was the only camera I tried that would work for me. Thanks for the memory.
Thanks, Dale!! I now have the round splitter and don't see the issues anymore thankfully!! I really do love super 8. They've made it so dummy proof (even for a dummy like me) that literally anyone can shoot movie film now :)
I just found my grandparents one of these and the projector that matches it!
Awesome!!
@@Filmboy24 yeah! Excited to try to hop into this hobby!
Regular 8mm is under appreciated
Absolutely agree, my friend!
There are a lot of new films for it on there FPP website and other places!
Nice information and video....Good job Miguel
Gracious, Pop!!
that was really cool footage thank you
Thank you, Victoria!!
17:50 Ha! More proof of that time traveller caught on 8mm film! ;-)
Haha, I need help, LOL
Sorry having a history “nerdgasm” here but it would be a standard 8mm camera (Bell and Howell 414 Zoom) that would capture one of the worst tragedies in 20th century American History, The JFK Assassination. The infamous “frame 313” (Zapruder Film) shot on Kodachrome 25 is the shot (no pun intended) that shows in detail the final blow to (in my opinión) one of the greatest presidents of the 20th century. Again, all captured on Standard 8mm.
Haha...Nerdgasm!
Great video as always! So this mag loads like a projector reel, got it. The rule for 16mm and 35mm loads is "9 P", but this regular 8mm mag is "P 9". Yeah, it gets confusing, since "9 P" or "E I / EO" only tells you one part, the other part is where the perfs go (= orientation of the image). Not easy with double perf'd film....
Agreed: these Revere cameras from Chicago, IL, are beautiful pieces of Art Deco Americana. Gorgeous!
P.S. the images are beautiful. I think the best 8mm format is probably double Super 8. Way back in 1881 I have seen Tri-X footage of Double Super 8 shot on a Canon (very similar to the 16mm Scoopic): awesome.
Thanks so much!
I'd never heard the "P9" or "9P" references, but it makes so much sense. Thanks for the tip!
I really do like this Revere 8 Magazine camera. I also have it's big brother, the Revere 16 Magazine and it's equally groovy! Really fun to shoot these things.
@@Filmboy24 You are welcome. Yeah, the "9 P" rule is for 16mm side-by-side daylight spools and side-by-side 16mm and 35mm film magazines, such as the classic Mitchells, ARRIs, CP's,.... With coaxial it gets a bit more difficult, but you can usually imagine these as a folded "9 P", unless it's an Aaton A Minima LOL.
@@truefilm6991, I love it!! Thanks again!!
I like the splitter. I'm a simple man. Keep up the good work!
I found an academic paper online a film student wrote that goes into detail about the rise and fall of the Standard 8mm format which Kodak discontinued i think somewhere in the 90s?. I printed the paper and is in my “Movie Film Ref” binder along with the other film format history. 8mm was born out of the Great Depression as 16mm (even back in the 30s) seemed too expensive for the amateur/consumer film maker. 8mm revolutionized home movies but as we all know Super 8 would displace it and the standard 8mm market was kept alive by one single company for awhile and that was Fomapan. Now there’s a little bit more variety for D8 stocks thanks to the Film Photography Project who i think just reperfs the 16mm film from Kodak?
Thanks for the research! Yes, I'm sure FPP either re-perfs themselves or has it done in bulk. Either way, I'm glad they do!!
Kodak pulled the plug on 8mm kodachrome around 1992/3. However fresh stock was still available via resellers until around c2006, it was known as cinechrome. Kodak still produced 7285 8mm 100d on 400ft rolls until c2012.
I know exactly what you mean! I shot my first roll of D8 8mm a few years ago and was ecstatic with the results. I used a canon 8-3 that is still working great. Thanks for showing that 100 stock I was wondering how it would come out with D76. What a fun Channel you have thanks for sharing all your discoveries! I'll toss a vote in on a video of how to load an 8mm cart.
Thanks, Manny!!
I think I'll put a video together soon on loading these little magazines.
I love 8, cheap, pretty decent quality, the cameras are built like tanks, no electronic crap, very good step to start with film 👍🏻
That's the truth!
Hi Love that, last year , inspired by the chance to see what it was like to shoot on 8mm after shooting on super 8 i had a go, also inspired by FPP, i shot some 8mm ( not cartridge type ) and was amazed by results, the super 8 is brill, but makes me realize some of the cameras before super 8 were made like a tank ! and the 70's saw mass plastic production of everything ! including the projectors too and although you have to change reel after 25 foot, you can experiment with manual F stops etc as many cheep super 8's are automatic, like my Bolex 233 C, i did not copy La Blatte i saw his comments after i posted mine
I could not agree more about the build quality of these older, heavy duty, metal cameras. I feel like they'll run forever, whereas some of the "newer" , plastic stuff seem so fragile. I also feel like the simplicity of just changing the lens f-stop and focusing is very refreshing. Most of the crazy features on high end super 8 cameras are never really needed.
@@Filmboy24 Thanks hoping to shoot some reversal colour soon, only place i can buy reversal colour is a web site in uk called on8mill, will give it a try over summer
Did you ever make a video on reloading the magazine? I'm about to try my hand at reloading.
I sure did. The hardest part is getting 25' measured out properly in the dark. I've been kind of working on a better system, but loading the mags is always the same. Here's the video: th-cam.com/video/EBLIovQ8zoA/w-d-xo.htmlsi=nzB5G5k0QMCZq5eL
@@Filmboy24 thanks! I will watch it.
Hey mike! I just got one of these revere cartridge loaders. Since FPP are doing regular 8 cartridges why not?
And I got this unusual 8mm camera / projector combo thing called the “Cine Twin” but I don’t have a cord for it. It also runs on D-Cell batteries too.
Groovy!!! I've seen those Wittnauer Cine Twin machines before but never messed with one. I know there's the camera and the base and the camera doubles as a projector also. I had the chance to grab one about 25 years ago but didn't for some reason. Seems like they'd be fun to play around with. Let me know how you like it.
@@Filmboy24 I need a bulb for the projector but that part seems to mechanically function. I don’t have 3 D cell batteries at the moment to run the camera part. I only paid $8 for this thing. And I atleast got 3 D-mount lenses out of the deal if this one doesn’t work out!
So I got curious a re-visited that paper. According to that author’s research, a complete 16mm film package pre-8mm film was $335. Wow! I’m not sure what that is adjusted for inflation but Im going to guess it’s probably close to or at 1K in today’s money. No way an unemployed artist during the Great Depression could have afforded that. 16mm film is probably cheaper today than it was during its “golden era.” So 8mm film def made home movies more accessible to those artists that were impacted by the Great Depression.
Yeah, there's no way I'd be shooting 16mm in the 20's, haha
Where did you telecine your film? In spite of the imperfections the telecine looks really good.
Hi Ted, as Michael said, I do my own transfers with my MovieStuff RetroScan Universal Mark I.
@@Filmboy24 I saw that. It looks better than most other telecine ive seen. I might have to break my piggybank
I have always preferred shooting Regular 8mm to Super 8 for a number of reasons. I mostly just enjoy the more hands on interaction with the reg 8 format. I also think one is less likely to get registration jitters using regular 8, although frame size is reduced.
I now know how hard it isn't to load a reg 8 magazine, I have never owned a magazine camera nor tried loading for one, thanks for the lesson. I do hope that you are able to get the H8 sorted, that is a nice camera.
Your film came out great, the exposure is awesome, quality lenses and camera results. It is much much better than my first attempt at developing and splitting it. Not sure where the line on the right side of frame came from but the D96 process worked splendidly.
One day you should try shooting a roll and scan it unsplit. It comes out cool, just remember on the second run images are inverted unless you shoot with the camera upside down.
Thanks a million, Cecil!!
This was so much fun, I'm really dying to get my H8 sorted out. I'd love to be able to shoot & process 100' of film (200' 8mm). I mean, it's kind of a 200' magazine, nestled into my 100' camera. That's about 11 minutes of run time at my favored 24 FPS.
Thanks again for your help (and push, hehe)!
I will always choose a solid Bolex registration plate over the flimsy plastic registration plate of a cartridge. What does it matter that the image is slightly bigger if it's jittering because of the plastic pressure plate?
I have a revere 8 model 70 but I’m having trouble finding film magazine to put in are there any on Amazon I can use or where a reliable store to find them online?
Hello, the best way to get a magazine is to grab one on Ebay. Search for "Kodachrome 8mm magazine". There are a few on there now. Kodachrome is tough to get images from these days, but you can reload the magazines with fresher film from FPP.
Great content! I have a Kodak Brownie 8mm camera in near mint condition, given to me as a gift. I have not bought film, but will eventually. Love the look of 8mm. That camera is beautiful. I assume the process includes using a light meter? The purely mechanical wind up cameras are just amazing pieces of engineering!
Thanks so much!
Yes, I just used 2 different light meter apps on my phone for this test. That little Revere 8 wind up camera worked very well and I'm surprised how well those lenses did. I used a Paillard 13mm and Wollensak 9mm for everything.
The magazine was sure a great improvement over the spools! But my happiest day was when Kodak came out with Super 8.
I enjoyed your film but wish you would have performed more in it. I’ve used the round version of that splitter and never had the line thing happen that I recall. So it probably was the mag.
Anyway, that splitter brought back memories of my days messing with Caffenol. When that study came out, I jumped into it with both feet. Surprisingly I got some pretty decent footage. I used 60’s and 70’s Kodachrome. I just kept trying different things until it worked. I wish I had kept notes because I’d kinda like to play with it again. I just used the KODAK Brownie with f/1.9 lens wide open. It was the only camera I tried that would work for me.
Thanks for the memory.
Thanks, Dale!! I now have the round splitter and don't see the issues anymore thankfully!!
I really do love super 8. They've made it so dummy proof (even for a dummy like me) that literally anyone can shoot movie film now :)
What happens to people when a camera is pointed at them?
They get filmed 🤪
Are the lenses on this camera D-mount?
Hi Ronni, yes, they are D-mount.
@@Filmboy24 Thank you.