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- Stretching the wheelbase for extra comfort was the recipe behind this 1949 Studebaker Land Cruiser - and Toyota’s super-sized FJ40 SUV spin-off. But which one came first? And what happened to folks who purchased Studebaker stock just before the South Bend shutdown? It’s all right here.
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Steve, you are raising the bar for automotive videos. TH-cam is lucky to have you, man!
@Road Noise 👍Steve raised the bar I’ve seen videos of guys just wandering around videoing old cars and junkyards. With hardly any knowledge of the Vehicles. Steve definitely does his homework. 👍
@@Daniel-fd3wp Agreed, Daniel!
Every car deserves more than a guess! Thanks for watching and writing. -Steve Magnante
@@SteveMagnante For sure! My grandmother was a maid at the Studebaker family estate in South Bend, Indiana!!!
Definitely things I didn't know.
A Studebaker horse drawn hearse was used for Abraham Lincoln's funeral.
Its in tallahassee florida at a museum
It could have been brand new at the time as it was in 1865.
@@markwilliams4525completely disgusting Florida it should be immediately removed from that state of scum
haven't you seen the history of Studebaker movie? they were carriage makers first.
I’ve never heard the Studebaker/Edsel joke before - THAT is a classic, still laughing. Thank you for the daily education sir. ~ Chuck
I was riding in the backseat of a bullet nosed Stude in 1962 in San Diego, when it came over the radio that Marilyn Monroe had died. I was eleven at the time.
Beautiful car , love it. Good class today steve. Thanx for your time
This was a great line of cars. We had a hawk in about 1958.
I remember that one of my school's bus drivers (who was in his late-50s to early-60s) ALWAYS drove Studebakers (both cars and trucks) for his personal vehicles.
He refused to own any other brand.
He was a small farmer, and also raised sheep.
I recall that he had an area next to the house and outbuildings, that was about 15 acres, that was chock full of old Studebaker vehicles that he had for parts.
That was in the 1970s.
He had knowledge and experience with working on Studebaker is likely why he was so loyal and exclusive like that. Plus it sounds like he had plenty of spare parts laying around so... I can totally relate.
@@lilmike2710 👍
@willhorting5317
That awesome
I believe it
They were an incredible manufacturer & had a great reputation for quality & reliability
@@butcher390 great comment👍 my grandfather said the same thing, ahead of most others vehicles in the times . My grandfather worked for Studebaker after ww2 and in ww2 he was a mechanic 2nd calvary. I have his 1955' 4 door president and 59 lark station wagon.
Studebaker owned Onan for some time. I’ve got some new old stock Onan parts with Studebaker logos.
Studebaker also used a gadget called a hill holder that was connected to the clutch and brake systems to make it easier to pull away from a stop especially on a hill, once clutch and brake were depressed the device kept pressure in the brake system until the clutch was released.
I sure wish I had had a hill holder when I was learning to drive a standard, but then I wouldn't have learned the skill of working 3 pedals with 2 feet . . . Didn't Subaru or one of the imports in the 70's have that as well?
In the early 80’s, my drafting professor at the South Dakota School of Mines was an old timer who always mentioned the “hill holder” feature on Studebakers as the finest invention ever created for driving a car out in the Black Hills! Can’t remember his name, but he was CERTAINLY a character…….😂
@@ddellwo You still in S. Dakota?
@@The_Smith Subaru had similar feature even in 2012.
@@tomwesley7884 - Nope. After bouncing around the country for work after graduation I ended up in Houston, Texas, for the last 27 years! Although I still identify as a Midwesterner who looks forward to the first strong cold front moving through every fall……..😂
Master cylinder same as in my 1953 Yale forklift !
I've always loved the bullet nose. That being said i love the cars that most folks didn't care for. The diagonal headlight Chryslers, the gremlin, the marlin, and all the "odd". Thanks for spreading the knowledge, Steve.
I loved those little gremlins myself.
They were like a Pinto to me, but built better. 😁My old buddy named Billy (RIP 😢) had one that was a beater. We named it "The Grappler".
Because it had no power steering plus it was way out of alignment and you had to pump the brakes to get it to stop. 😂 You had to literally wrestle with the damn thing to drive it. That's why we called it The Grappler. 🤣
The Gremlins were kind of goofy looking vehicles but they had a certain quirky charm…….😂
I’ve never met or heard anybody that liked as it was advertised “the wide little car “…. The AMC Pacer
@@abeneufeld9690 lol well at least just over a half million people had to have like them, at least enough to buy one brand new. 😉
@@abeneufeld9690I had a Pacer in the mid-80's. The price was right for the car: FREE! It was a bare-bones stripper with 3-on-the-tree and a slipping clutch, but I got 3 good years out of it before selling it to a co-worker for $750!
Who knew that they owned Gravely and STP? cool info for trivia night
I like how all the vehicles that you show us miraculously come with supporting literature.
Studebaker brothers started in 1852 ?
WOW !!
Never knew they started
that far back .
Studebaker , had a lot of
manufacturer design firsts
I remember those 6x6 WW2
( from my ancestors )
Russia 🇷🇺 still have theirs ,
from the lend lease act too
You're absolutely 💯 right ✅ Steve
STP oil treatment & Gravely ,
Were from Studebaker , even after
they stopped building cars .
That Stock recipt probably held
its Value nicely 👌
Scientifically treated petroleum. The RACERS EDGE
@@gertraba9806 or ....
Studebaker treatment product 👌 😉
They started off manufacturing horse drawn carriages well before getting into car production. The early motor vehicles were called horseless carriages then later shortened to 'car'. I think Studebaker started making cars around 1900 but can't say the exact year.
On Mackinaw Island they have a carriage museum and they have a few Studebaker rides. Up to 4 horse power.
Steve, It seems that nobody trademarked the name of their vehicle in the old says. Yesterday we had a 300 from Chevy, today we find the name Land Cruiser was in use before Toyota started building theirs and a while back you showcased a Plymouth Suburban. 🤔
There was also the Plymouth Tractor Company of Plymouth Ohio. Chrysler sued them over the name and lost.
I love seeing the old studebakers. They are definitely different but I love them. When I was a young teen I had a 1959 studebaker lark and if I knew what I had I probably would have never sold it
It's funny that canister oil filters are becoming evermore popular in cars and suv. Like you said "...everything old is new again."
I have one on my 1979 240D. Combine that with a Mityvac oil extractor and you don’t need to get under the car.
I had a 51 Champion. Back in 1965 that I bought from a schoolteacher for 65$ in very good condition. I drove it for 4 years then gave to my sister she drove it for 2 years. Then it was parked in my fathers barn. I sold it in 1979 for 65$ because I needed to get it out of the barn. Got my money’s worth. I’m sure the man who bought it is very proud today if still alive.
Mr. B. ‘s 1958 Olds has a master under floor , pain to check & service . Very informative Steve ! Morning Mags !
Chevy pickups also had the master cylinder under the driver side floor...at least until through the first half of 1955.
Possibly through the 1959 models.
I've never been around the '55 Second Series through '59 pickups, so I don't know what they had.
I know that by 1960, the master cylinder had been moved to the firewall.
I always found it strange to have the master cylinder, and the battery, under the floor.
@@willhorting5317 Mr. B. Here ! Yes the master is a pain ; but I would shoot myself if the was under floor ! LOL ! I can not tell you anything about the trucks , most Chevy cars I have seen master is upper left ( diver side ) .
@@debbiebermudez5890 👍
@@willhorting5317 Mr. B. Here ! Gotta love the guy with all the parts cars ! One thing people do not think long term any , the reason they been toll get new ; C@C@ ! We in the hobby have done more to recycle by passing all the BS , that is out there .
@@debbiebermudez5890 👍
Another champion history lesson from the Grand Commander of Automotive History, Professor Mags. You are teaching us to listen carefully and observe thoroughly. And if the taillight weren't in the image at 10:36, I'd affirm that car was pointed right at us. Whoa; wait. Bad Chad could buy that very car and remove the back half, including the doors, and put it on something else...
Very interesting and informative as always. I always remember my introduction to the Commander Bullet nose was as a kid, watching Lesley Neilson driving a burgundy convertible in Mr Magoo.
To heck with the Stude', do the '68 Park Lane behind ya.
Never owned a Studebaker, but I always wanted one.
The first big die I built was the roof on the first Mercedes SUV. I still chuckle when I see one. You can not believe how much work went into that one panel. When I look at those old sculptured panels, respect!
Studebaker also made tire mounting and repair equipment. I have and still use a Studebaker tire changer.
The way they cut corners - like the turn signal caps to save costs and they still couldn't quite compete.
I still can not believe that this yard still has so many old cars. And, this one is not stripped. I guess not too many people need those parts! Yards around me do not have anything older than the 60’s, and few at that. Planning my vacation days. May have to go that yard!
I have a vague recollection that at least some school buses in the 1960s still used vacuum wipers. I have a 1975 Gravely tractor as well as some sales literature for Studebaker Larks from 1963. Might have an owners manual too.
Here's a lesser-known odd fact about Studebaker. Just as the expansion West was depending on Railroads and not covered wagons, buckboards, buggies, Broughams, Surreys, sleighs, etc. the engineers at Studebaker were looking into steam-powered overland conveyances. This was the first time that a wheeled vehicle was designed to go anywhere or as they call them today, an ATV. There already existed Steam Traction Engines used on the prairie farmlands, but they were slow cumbersome beasts. Studebakers' idea was to make something similar only out of wood that could carry passengers and cargo as the Conestoga wagon did for nearly 50 years. However, this design had major flaws. It was huge, heavy, could not go through snowy terrain, and was prone to freezing solid because of the water boilers and storage tanks, it depended on crude oil for steam heat which then presented an issue with how to carry enough fuel, and the shaker grates would eject red hot ashes and charcoal which then would set the wooden vehicle on fire. In essence, the whole idea was a fiasco and developmental failure. Out of sheer disgust and outrage towards their designing and engineering departments, The Studebaker Bros. terminated everyone employed in these departments because they had their heads up their rears and were so stuck in the 1880s way of doing things, they were causing the company to hemorrhage capital and giving the Bros. hemorrhoids!
Whether or not this is all true, remains open to debate.
Finally a complete car showing its parts , and a really good car too
There was a great line people said about the Packard - Studebaker merger in 1954. It was a marriage of two drunks helping each other down the aisle.
Mornings with Steve. My daily automotive history class with my morning coffee. One of the things I look forward to every day.
In 1969 I bought a 51 Studebaker Champion with the V8 and automatic transmission no rust California car think I paid $75. Parked it my friends gas station a couple of months and someone bought it for $35 after the license plates were stolen
Great video Steve.Thanks
The firewall mounted brake and clutch pedals came in I think 1963 models. I'm 8- and had many Studebakers including the 57 supercharged Golden Hawk and 57 Packard also supercharged. In the late 60's they were still fast cars!
Kudos for your 1949 Land Cruiser video. I have a 1950 Commander which is virtually the same vehicle. The differences are the bulletnose facelift, the dashboard and the tail lights. Mechanicals are all the same. Because the difference in wheelbase length is not immediately apparent, the best visual clue to distinguish a Land Cruiser is the the additional small window on the rear doors which is not present on Commanders or Champions.
The reverse light was made by guide, as were the fog lamps. My 58 silver hawk has the studebaker guide fog lamps
Hi Steve, good video! Steel enclosed spark plug wires whare not uncommon years ago to help keep ignition interference out of the AM radio, especially if the car had a fiberglass (not steel) firewall, and the distributor was located at the rear of the engine, i.e. Chevrolet Corvette. By the way, on a Corvette, the radio antenna was always mounted at the rear on it's fiberglass body and grounded to the frame. Please reply. Dave...
I might be wrong, but I think the Delco unit is a heater.
Love your vids. Great weather here in mass this year to make them. Greetings from Fall River
The Ave!
Noo
Highlands near Durfee
Hello from Raynham
Supposedly Rover designers of 1948 saw this model Studebaker premiering at factory promoted auto show where those Brits immediately returned to the UK and committed to a downsized design knock off of the Land Cruiser, shrunk onto a mass produced 111" wheelbase a.k.a. Rover P4 series produced from 1949 to 1964 with 4 banger, manual, and suicide doors. Rovers have collector interest today.
Studebakers, as well as Nash products were very underrated. They were pretty substantial cars.
Stude merely got out of the automotive business. They continued on making Paxton super chargers, stp, gravely tractors, and many more, as well as they continued to make military trucks(deuce and a half) until 1970. The company finally broke up into separate entities in 1979..
Penn Central existed long after the railroad declared bankruptcy, as a real-estate entity mainly selling off their (now former) railroad assets and properties. I recall seeing some of their for-sale signs around railroad properties in the Youngstown, Ohio area well into the 1990s. Whether they did more harm than good I leave up to you.
Also continues to own some railroad lines to date, as seen on property tax maps.
I like the way the dog's face was blurred out. I guess he refused to sign the waiver.
3 lousy cars, you crack me up Steve!!!
The back end is menacing !
Damn! That stock and bonds share paper was issued on my birthday! September 25, 1963! Yikes I’m antique!!👋😂
Man, that’s quite stylish. Looking at it from the front reminds me of a Cadillac. Studebaker made some interesting cars…all before my time.
One of the James Bond novels mentions Bond’s american counterpart ( I forget the character's name but he Was played by Jack Lord in the movie version) driving a “Studillac”, a Studebaker powered by a Cadillac V8.
Those 3-window coupes are delicious.
Lockwasher looks happy in that land cruiser
I must say, I had a 1960 Studebaker Lark that had the brake master cylinder under the floor. I really liked that car.
Great facts! I like your Junk Yard Dog………When is there going be an update on the Home Project “Police Cruiser 440”??
As far as crossfire, it would happen in V8s, only on certain 2 cylinders, due to the firing order. It's been years, but ,as I recall, on GM and Chrysler, it was 5 and 7, Ford was different, due to the difference in cylinder numbering. It may not have been an issue with 6s, due to firing order. Back in high school, I think it was Champion, came into our auto shop and did a demonstration. They made a small engine run on 2 4 foot lengths of plug wire run next to each other, one attached to the coil and one to the plug. They also demonstrated the difference between low and high octane fuel. They had a long plactic tube. They put high octane in it, put in a plastic ball, and tipped back and forth to atomize. Then they lit the end, and you could watch the flame slowly travel down the tube. It was very cool. Next the did the same with low octane. The flame quickly traveled half way then a loud explosion that shocked the hell out of us. Watching your buddies on Engine Masters, evidently with modern plug wires, the newer insulation, prevents crossfire.
Call astoga it's still in business they make covers for flatbed trailers for 18 willers. We put rails on both sides of the flatbed aluminum rails. And then we put big metal rollers go around to the other side of the trailer. And then we put a big plastic TAR P over them it works out pretty good Fort left drivers that can roll the things back-and-forth on the trailer and just pick up stuff. From the side and still having to go into the back of it This thing don't hurt understand my country accent i'm from johnston county north carolina
Kent Rollins chuck wagon is a Studebaker. He recently restored it.
We're all pulling for you Steve. Hope to see you soon
I remember making the drive in a 1971 international 1210 pickup truck with a old trailer with my dad and little brother to get a 1939 Studebaker commander in lordsburg new Mexico
That Commander 6 had torque for days and has the mannerisms of the Slant-Six. The Champion 6 was just too darn small. Great car!
Wow….Steve you’re amazing. To think that the company that made Conestoga wagons made cars! Wow….really. I never heard that and it saddens me, but gives me a new appreciation for those studebakers….the fact that those tail lights are in tact is amazing…
love this show. Really
My dad loved his Studebakers. He worked for a DJ Sullivan, a dealer in Queens NY way back when. I have his shop coats and other memorabilia from the dealer. Also got a bunch of black and white photos of the cars he had back in the 40s and early 50s before he gravitated to Mopar.
Yes, they were located at 134-36 Northern Blvd, Flushing, NY (Queens), and today that building is an H&R Block tax office.
@@googleusergp Thanks GP!
@@LongIslandMopars Sure thing.
I live near Massachusetts. I would gladly pull this car out and wrench on it, if it’s not expensive
i think i heard once that Studebaker was the largest manufacture of wheeled vehicles up until the 30s, meaning both powered and trailing
"First by far with a postwar car" several years before Ford, Chev, etc. The Land Cruiser was top of the line, not only did it have a longer wheelbase the whole body was 4" longer than the Commander or Champion. You can tell at a glance which is which because the Land Cruiser had longer rear doors with vent windows, the smaller models had 1 piece rear window.
Champion used a 170 cu in six, the Commander and Land Cruiser had a completely different 226 (later 254) cu in six.
I bolted a 51 bullet nose on a 49 it matched up well.
"three lousy cars" LOL
3:04.
Holy smokes that's a good book about Studebakers I used to have it they also made one about Dodge which I have
Radio commercial Halloween night 1965, "Studebaker the car of the future".
Excellent video Steve!👍👍💯🇺🇸
Love your videos Steve. Love the comments also. Sometimes full of interesting historical information.
Their factory and showroom still exist on Michigan Ave in Chicago. The Fine Arts building, the most original Victorian office building I’ve ever seen.
Somebody cut that beautiful Starlight Coupe roof of a wrecking yard donor , and mounted it backwards on an old wooden speed boat, it looked great. Studebaker had some pretty cool styling back in the early 50's, as a little kid, they were the first cars I learned to recognize, and as a young man, a 53 commander coupe was the first car I owned.
Right On Steve ! Thanks for a job well done 👍.
Katie looks happy today
I read somewhere a long time ago that Studebaker initially built wheelbarrows, the wagons came later.
The bullet-nose Stude’s are so iconic and probably the first thing that comes to mind when people think of a Studebaker today! If the bullet-nose design had never come into being, I wonder what “visual” folks would have today when they thought of Studebaker - maybe the 60’s era Larks……???
Myself, I always think of the rear glass when I think Studebaker.
Those things were light weight beast back then small wheels and motor,good size body
Hi Steve, great video on this Studebaker Land Cruiser. You packed this episode with a lot of forgotten info. That stock certificate was off the charts. I'd have to admit I'd buy this one just for the taillights for a future full custom lead sled build. That joke about Edsel and Studebaker I've never heard before, but gonna have to use that one. It cracked me up. 😆🤣 How about that live stream idea? Maybe at your house or in the juckyards a little Q&A or a particular subject matter can be a topic. I'm sure the 1st few will be slow, but if it were set to air on a regular time. I'm sure the views and attendance will skyrocket. Some say live streams are boring, but I disagree if the subject matter is interesting and entertaining. Some of us nerds can talk automotive history all day. Have a blessed day everyone 🤙🏼 Namaste 🙏🏼
They are boring; the first twenty minutes is like "soundcheck" at a concert; "check, is it working, how about now?" Then the obligatory "welcomes" to all the wannabe internet superstars for another ten minutes. Can't you just enjoy a well researched and entertaining show?
@@gteefxr3094 Nothing wrong with livestreams but they tend to be very long and the streaming quality often isn't that great so it's like watching a 1998 era VHS video.
@gteefxr3094 Thanks for commenting, Who says I haven't enjoyed the last yr or so of Steve's videos?. Namaste 🙏🏼
@googleusergp Hi, I get what you're saying, and I'm sure there will be a "learning curve." I've watched and interacted with other live streams that are of high quality. Dan Short from FantomWorks has recently started to do live streams, and they are very clear images of him and the shop. There's some audio difficulty but it's a working shop, so it's not a big deal, in my opinion. Check out Dan if you haven't already. Thanks for commenting 🤙🏼 Namaste 🙏🏼
@@chrisscearce Looks boring. I watched the 1:50 minute video "trailer" and it's typical "canned content". That type of content bores me. I want to see everyday folks fixing up and rebuilding (not "building" a vehicle. No one is "building" a vehicle. They are "RE-building" what the OEM already built years ago). I think that's why Mr. Magnante does so well. His content isn't canned and he doesn't do it with a big budget. When the big networks pick up a show, they have too much say in the content, and it becomes hackneyed and "me too".
I like that you honor the privacy of doggo and blur his face 😂
Awesome video love the add on reverse light. I did not know they made so many products.
Always liked these old Studes
Get well Steve!!
Growing up there was a Stude with the bullet nose. 49 Ford also had a bullet nose but as protruding
The pods under the headlight became fog lights in 49
Great video. Thanks for sharing your knowledge Steve...
not sure if that underdash box is a radio.. looks like a fan behind the grill.. maybe a heater?
While the Studebaker you picture is not a reasonable candidate for restoration, it does contain many valuable parts, and would make a wonderful parts car for another restoration.
Shame, that LC could have been saved. I always liked the '50 or '51 LC's with the bullet nose and nicer trunk handle, a black one would be quite stylish IMO
Thanks
Yes, even Onan generators were owned by Studebaker at one time. They also owned Franklin who made private label appliances until White Consolidated Industries bought them. What's left of that is owned by Electrolux now. The Land Cruiser was known as the "Y" body product line.
Most were made at the South Bend, Indiana plant. No VIN, can't win, no tag, can't brag, but possible code 7696 Velvet Black exterior paint. Today's Toyota FJ Cruiser is a nod to the "FJ" internal model name used for the Land Cruisers of the past from Toyota.
Some 57 had the the master cylinder under the floor board
Good Morning Steve, Great Video
Lockwasher dog knows a real car to sit in. These cars were great
Definitely a better name than lock jaw.
What’s the update on the REM charger that you are building?
🤔 Blurring the dogs face because he didn't sign a release to use his image. 🙄 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣 By the way, that would be a great parts car for all that rare trim and tail lights! That back up light is really cool with the visible Studey script too!
I only knew studebaker made wagons because Cowboy Kent Rollins is a chuck wagon cook on TH-cam. His Chuck wagon was made by studebaker, and he restored it last year.
I like the conestoga hood prop and pine cone oil filter.
The Conestoga name was used on Studebaker all new wagon which came out in 1954. I didn't know it had been used before that.
I have that Book. Lots of 40s were WW2 cars
Steve, the suicide configuration makes the Stude a very attractive candidate for full on restoration or "restomod" cruiser. Also you didn't mention the servo on the left side of the transmission for overdrive. I love your videos and you sharing your knowledge of automobile history. Yes I am a car-nerd and proud of the fact. Keep em coming my friend