Both him and Kubica had if not the biggest what ifs and definitely hurts you. Felipe wasn't the same Ferocious man he was eversince his accident in 2009 Hungary. Along with Kubica's life threatening accident during a 2011 WRC event. Really sad to see them strong until the end of 2008, completely wacked off in 2009, and then just a cycle of what-ifs had they not been into the incidents.
@@filipegordinho7563 no that's not the case, Robert still completely fine with Renault racking up podiums in 2010 and 11's until his WRC crash at the middle of 2011
If they don't suffer their life-threatening injuries, I don't think Hamilton has 7 titles, because I think a healthy Massa and a Kubica that has two working arms take a couple titles away from Lewis... I'd say Lewis is only a five time champion instead of having the same amount of titles as Michael Schumacher, Richard Petty, Dale Earnhardt Sr and Jimmie Johnson
@@patrickracer43 I don't think so, Hamilton was exceptionally quick his whole career and since 2014 Mercedes has the most dominant package. They could challenge Lewis to WC but I really don't think he'd lose it easily
I mean he was WDC for a couple seconds... until Timo Glock on dry weather tires (or should I say tyres) couldn't hold off a charging Lewis Hamilton on tires (tyres) more appropriate for the track conditions
For all of us Scuderia fans, 2008 is always the most painful year ever. But I am happy to see Massa hang out with the grid and living his life outside F1, the man's a gem
I‘m sad - Hamilton surely is worht all his titles - but seeing him in such a dominant car - he maybe even by himself thinks that felipe should have won
He is such a likeable guy, 2008 in front of his home crowd was the pure nightmare, not only for Brazilian. ☹️ And his Hungary accident inhibited him permanently of fighting for wins and titles over his later seasons. Honouring Michael and their close friendship till nowadays shows what a great guy he is, maybe a little too nice for that ego sport. He might not be a champion of track, but he is a champion of ❤️ ✌🏻😎
@Ponfi and what you wanted him to say?that he is not the same after the accident and lose his position?results show that he was never the same after the accident.
@Ponfi schumacher said that he will fight for the championship when he return to f1 and he was over 40 years old.does this mean that he was the same?no he wasnt.competitive people will first try first to elevate themselfs.
His teammates from 2006-2013 were literally the three best drivers of the 2000's era...the fact he was able to beat one of them already makes him a good driver if you ask me
@Stealth Leopard lol its not that simple. Schumacher was clearly the no1 driver and the focus was on him and the same thing was with Alonso, Felipe Fernando is faster than you, do you copy? Räikkönen and Massa were treated equally in 2007, and Räikkonen beat Massa even though he was new to the team. 2018 they focused more on Massa car was developed more to Massa than Raikkonen which was a mistake. Same thing happened 2009 and right after Massa hurt they focused on Kimi and he started to deliver like win in spa with crappy Ferrari of 2009. Massa is great but not on Räikkonen's level. Also after 2009 accident, Massa was never the same and the favouring of Alonso didnt help. Its just the fact that Räikkönen was the fastest driver of 2000's when he had a car he wanted. The problem with him is that he is not into politics and his car setup window is bit narrow. Also he didnt put effort like other top drivers did, to Kimi it was and it is more like hobby. Sometimes he drinked two weeks between races while Massa was training on simulator lol. Räikkönen is true legend :)
@@sviniciusbraga exactly! "Junção", "Ayrton" and "Stock Car Brasil" were on point with brazilian portuguese. A real effort has been made and one much appreciated.
@@ayepmashuri2094 The spaniard commentators in that race still live rent free in my head. They were like fans, but with a mic in front of their mouths. That was pretty much it. No professionalism at all. Just fans, representing the emotions of a whole country after what happened in McLaren in 2007. They were basically stunned. And so we were the spectators. Watching how Lewis was losing the title again. Certainly sure it was over. And then... GLOCCCCC.
Had the pleasure of meeting Felipe at the 2017 Aussie F1 GP. We were practically first in line near the start of the paddock walk, he came and said "hi", went to sign an autograph but realised he didn't bring a pen. I gave him mine since I had a spare, so he thanked me, signed my program book, then continued on. About 5 minutes later he came back to return it, went to sign my book again; I reminded him it was ok since he already had signed it - to which he replied, "Is OK!", signed it again, returned my pen, thanked me and off he went. Very humbling experience - he certainly earned my respect. It's a real shame he's no longer in the sport.
He got a bolt to the head which nearly killed him but kept going on and even had some memorable performances at Williams. Comparing him to Alonso at Ferrari is unfair, Alonso was in "one of his primes" while poor Felipe was at his worst
Ugh, I can't help but tear up at images of him on that Brazil 2008 podium. Yes, he made mistakes, but it's not like he was making them cause he was bad, the guy just had a fire under him, that occasionally would get him in trouble. In terms of people on the grid, he's definitely one of my favourites, just a great guy all around. Obrigado Felipe.
2:59 Incorrect, Massa wasn't given a race ban. He was given a back of the grid penalty for USA, however Sauber found a loophole in the rules which would avoid him getting a back of the grid penalty. That loophole being him missing the next race and returning in the following race.
Well... At least enzo is a Fittipaldi, family money he have, a name he have, but, because mazepin is parent of the owner of hass ,then, i think he only going to be in F1, if mazepin get the boot or one seat of the Minors team's (like Willians),and, for my opinion the second os more likely. Still, i also think it woun't be a long time to see a Brazilian on the grid.🇧🇷👍
Would love to watch a vid on Barichello, another Brazilian driver we often forget about. We often think of him as Schumis number 2 but I think it’s an interesting question to ask, what if he wasn’t? He had immense speed and consistency (contrary to Massa) and had such an immense love for the sport as whole and for his country. As a Brazilian, I still cry every time I watch that podium for his first win. This isn’t even mentioning that after leaving F1 he’s been pretty successful in all the categories he competes in! The dude just loves racing and races more now I think than during his F1 days.
As Brazilian and huge F1 fan(following closely for the last 20 years), I’m not taking this video as offensive or misleading. Felipe has to fight against Michael Schumacher, Fernando Alonso,Lewis Hamilton and Sebastian Vettel, allegedly the greatest drivers of the ERA, if not ever in F1. I’m a huge fan of Filipe, he was amazing, our best, our star and our favorite… but it wasn’t enough to become world champion, however, was more than enough to fill the heart of 230 million Brazilians with hope and joy! We will always love you Felipe, you were, are and always will be our champion!
@@AnthroGearhead the deluxe legends pack. He’s I think like a silver or a bronze. I think bronze because senna and schumi gold, Button and Rosberg silver and bronze is massa and someone else
As a Brit, you’d expect that I’d have been supporting Hamilton in 2008, but I was supporting Massa, as I had been since 2006. Brazil 2008 was the toughest moment I’ve had watching any sport, and Hungary 2009 was close as well. He will always be the real champion of 2008 for me. The way he handled that was admirable. I will always remember Felipe as a hell of a racer and a bloody good guy. We miss him.
Felipe is my favorite driver to never win the WDC. He's not one of the greats but he had his moments of brilliance, and for one brief year, he had the makings of a champion.
Well done, Josh! I enjoyed watching Felipe on TV when I got into F1 around '06, I'd forgotten a lot of the drives you'd mentioned. I still remember the photo of his helmet and the look in his eye, I never thought he'd race again. Glad I was wrong! Nice polish on the video. Well put together and had me laughing during several jokes. Easily my new favorite F1 video... until the next one.
This channel just delivers. It's punch punch - data data - info info. Excellent vocal delivery, excellent fast editing but still easily consumed. I for one really appreciate the skill and effort involved in making these presentations. Top marks.
I lived in Sao Paulo when he missed it on the championship. The switch from cheering to silence across the whole city was amazing... Apart from one English guy shouting something a bit rude out of his window...
Felipe imo is one of the greats to never win it, I remember first watching him alongside Michael. I think Hungary 09 and having fernando destroyed his confidence. Still my favourite driver of all time and, in all fairness, the 08 champion
A Brazilian pilot doesn't need to win to be loved by the crowd, he just needs to be there fighting for it. Felipe Massa do Brasil! From someone who didn't get to watch Ayrton Senna Race live, Felipe was and still is the Brazilian legend on wich I grew looking up for
Another factor that I think is very relevant is how critical Brazilian fans and media can be with anyone who's not a winner. After getting so close in 2008 a big part of the Brazilian fanbase and media turned on him, which could have affected his performances and confidence
Being a Br and having grown counting the weeks for F1 Sundays, I'm gonna leave my 2 cents: For me it felt like after the astounding F2004 Ferrari always managed to lose the championship by some mishap. Something would go wrong, usually a bone headed strategy decision, that would cost them the trophy in the end. That was the case with the 2008 season. Sure, Massa could've driven so great that Hungary and Singapore wouldn't matter but in the end those wins cost him the championship, specially the Singapore incident. (oh, and no, Massa didn't carried half the pit crew with him. Ferrari told him it was ok and there he went. Ferrari was the first team to test the "traffic light" pit system, that year, and the guy who operated it gave Massa the green light before the gas hose was disconnected. If it was still the "lollipop system", Massa would have a WDC). After that, for me I never thought it was the accident. I guess the "Fernando is faster than you" messed with his mentality. He felt that very very deeply. He felt betrayed. Wronged. Like it's on the video, he was leading the championship, Ferrari should've prioritized him (in his point of view). Or at least not interfered. Not having a message called in his radio. And Ferrari never could provide 2 great cars again. And Alonso was not the good team guy he was used to driving alongside Räikkönen and Schumi. He was good after the accident, just not after the message. He outperformed the Williams all those years he was there but at the end he realized he wouldn't have another chance to win it so he left. Oh, and he went back for Williams because they had a deal with Martini and being an alcoholic beverage they needed a senior driver to be with Stroll. It kinda was in the contract.
I agree! Massa's career actually ended with the Fernando is faster message. One year after his accident he was still fighting for P1 in German GP 2010, but never any more. Not even once.
I’ll never forget that race in Brazil. Absolutely elated when Massa won just to be cut down 30 seconds later. I still get emotional thinking about it. And I believe Massa is one of the if not the greatest driver to never win a title.
Congratulations, Josh. Now you've gone and done it. You've made me interested in F1. After the US GP (the first GP I watched from start to finish), I thought that F1 was just a passing interest for me. Then I watched São Paolo. Then I watched Qatar. And I cannot wait for Saudi Arabia. So thanks, Josh, for distracting me from the dumpster fire that is Manchester United.
When Formula1 started showing the pre-race drivers meetings, one could see how knowledgeable he was. He was really a leader in those mtgs. Much respect.
Obrigado for making this video. It's kinda a pity that over here in Brasil, people doesn't think that Massa was a great driver and always forget that he almost was a champion and is regarded as a joke, which is the same thing that happened to Barrichello. I really appreciate the time and effort you put into this video to show that Felipe was more than just a punch line.
IMO he had the capacity to be champion,look at rosberg vs hamilton.massa was changed after the accident.if in 2009 or 2010 he won the championship and retired.nobody could fault him.i think that's the case now you can't really fault him. Even though I wasn't a massa fan.he earned my respect
I think this video is sorely missing his absolutely wonderful pole position at the Red Bull Ring in 2014. Just one of those final moments of true success in his career which you'd be remiss not to tear up at. Truthfully Williams could have got a 1-2 had they played the strategy more aggressively...
He is still loved by a lot of people, on and outside F1 And that's saying something Now that he leads the FIA Karting Division, he will surly witness some more talents grow from there, to chase the F1. Hell, maybe he will witness the next Brazilian greats growing from Karting. Obrigado, Felipe~
Kimi literally deserved to be the champion in 2007. McLaren literally cheated and copied Ferrari's design ,it is literally the biggest scandal in the history of the sport , Spygate. So no Lewis or Alonso did not deserve to even keep their points for 2007. Kimi Raikkonen deserved it.
Recently, bernie ecclestone admitted they should have invalidated the result of Singapore 2008, but they didnt do it cause it would have made for bad pr. So massa should have been champion that year
it wasn't charlie, he passed away long ago, it was bernie ecclestone who admited when asked who was better, schumacher or hamilton, then he said hamilton was lucky and that singapore should had been cancelled and the results of that grand prix nullified.
One of my favorite drivers. My first season of F1 was 2008, and I was cheering for him and Ferrari. Boy, was I mad at him losing the championship by 1 point. I'm also of the opinion that he didn't drive the same after his accident, but I'm glad he recovered.
Sometimes i look at the grid and see a guy like Dany Ric, and say to myself there's no way a guy like him wont win a WDC one day, but this is not a fair sport and cautionary tale of Massa teach us that, and frankly that's one if the things i love about the sport, to simply get a seat it's an honor, to get a podium a achievement, winning race it's a dream, but an WDC that will make you a legend.
I think I say this for most Brazilians here, but Felipe Massa, Rubinho Barrichello and Ayrton Senna are all childhood heroes, and all are fabulous people on and off the track. Massa specifically was my hero back in F1 and at Stock Car Racing. Obrigado Felipe
Somewhere there's an alternate universe where Massa won in 2008, Alonso won in 2012, and Michael Shoemacher mearly broke his leg skiing. I bet it's nice there.
My favourite driver till this day, he was the reason I started watching F1 in 2006 as a 5 year old and made me in love with Ferrari rather than Schumacher believe it or not lol. He was an absolute hero and such a likable character. Brazilians are so lucky to have had this man representing them for the best part of 15 years. Obrigado Felipe 💚💛💙
This one hurts. Massa was an amazing talent who showed amazing speed! I honestly think that Felipe Massa should have won the 2008 world title. Also THAT crash in 2009 is a crash that I don’t think he ever recovered from. We love you Felipe!
Monaco was actually a Ferrari strategy f-up more than a Massa f-up. If I remember correctly, going down the escape road didn’t cost him positions and the race was lost on strategy to Kubica and Hamilton
In my own humble honest opinion, Massa tops the list of 'Greatest F1 Drivers to Never Win a Championship,' up there with Rubens Barrichello, Sir Stirling Moss, Robert Kubica, Mark Webber and Jean Alesi (and possibly even Daniel Ricciardo).
Damn, Josh really said that more people should watch Stock Car, and I can't say that I disagree. Too bad that Brazil's racing scene has been in a (sort of) downward spiral since Massa. You guys should see what other categories we run around here: we race tractor-trailers (Copa Truck) and now we're getting our own FIA-sanctioned formula-class category.
Somehow I happened to be present at some of the key moments of Massa's career. I was at *that* 2008 Belgian Grand Prix. It was so frustrating, it felt like what was a fantastic race was being ripped away from us spectators. From that moment on I cheered for Hamilton to win the championship. In hindsight of course I wish that Massa had won it and Sir Lewis had one fewer championship now, but honestly Hamilton deserved it more in 2008. I was also at *that* 2009 Hungarian Grand Prix. Personally I don't feel that his accident was necessarily the thing that broke him, I feel it was his crushing loss of the championship at Brazil the year before. The first half of 2009, before the accident, Massa was already just a shadow of his former self. True the Ferrari was a dog that year, but Massa also looked uninspired and showed none of his talent to outperform the car. The accident didn't help matters of course, nor did Ferrari's ever increasing focus on Alonso in the following years.
I was at Singapore 2008, hoping for a Massa win, so that pit incident was crushing. Despite that setback, throughout that whole season it just never felt like Massa had it together, but at least it was a tussle between several drivers and teams so it was gripping to the end.
That’s true, Massa lacks talent, wasn’t a very gifted driver, Ferrari in the last couple of years has frequently bet on the wrong horse, except for Alonso. Räikkönens WDC was pure luck
I've never been a Massa fan, but I agree, his 2008 drive was surely worthy of a title. I cannot even watch the images of the 2008 Brazilian GP podium without crying. He struggled in F1 the first year, got a year off, managed to return to F1, and he made it to Ferrari. He was next to Schumacher, so it was clear that he was not going to win the title here, but still, not bad. Then, in 2007, Kimi comes to Ferrari, but he is the one who wins, not Massa. Then, in 2008, after having the worst race of his life in Silverstone, after suffering an engine failure in Hungary while leading with 3 laps to go, after the botched pitstop in Singapore while leading, he still had the chance to win but it was very difficult, it was now or never. Then the guy gets pole position, dominates the race in changing conditions, Hamilton is not scoring enough points, he is racing at home, in his city, with an amazing support from his fans, he crosses the finish line in first place, he thought he had done it... But in the end it was taken away from him in the last second. It's just heartbreaking...
Massa got exactly what he deserved in terms of accolades. He was a great driver, just not quite champion material, between Alonso, Raikkonen and Hamilton he was always just a half step behind in terms of ability. I remember him fondly as a great driver who brought a lot to the sport but the fans talking about championships are the same people who would have 5 champions a year and 50 cars on the grid.
can't tell he is beneath the level of other one time champions like Rosberg, Button and even Villeneuve. The difference between him and these guys is that they made the most of their biggest chance, and Felipe couldn't make it in his first that ended up being his last
@@lucas_13. Massa lost 20 points in Hungary and Singapore. There’s no doubt he did more than enough to win the WDC that year, even though I think Ferrari was faster overall.
@rvfharrierbruh Button also got bodied in 2016 he scored lower than half idk why people think Button is close in 2016, 2015 both cars are too unreliable, stats are like Kvyat vs Ricciardo in same year.
It broke my heart when Massa didn't win that title. It seemed obvious that Hamilton was going to go on to win a lot of titles, so I wanted Massa to have just that one. It was painful to see.
Felipe is one of my favourite driers ever. He’s one of the drivers I remember from my childhood and I always remembered him fondly. I wish he could’ve won a title in F1
I honestly think the 2008 season and 2021 season are very similar, because both drivers fighting for the title had driven their asses off during their respective years, and were both equally worthy of winning a world title. But sometimes it all just hinges on luck when it comes to who wins it.
I wasn't fan of Massa back in the 2000s and I remember laughing my ass off when Hamilton took the title away from him. But now, 13 years later, I just feel bad for the dude. He deserved better.
He's one of my heroes and while yes he didn't went on to win a title (narrowly missing out instead), he will always be world champion in my heart and he's one of the reason why I got into F1 in the first place and the way he responded to that set back at Hungary (a race he deserve to win) and then went on to dominate Europe made me in awe as a 5-6 year old kid who was just a Ferrari fan at that point due to it being a red car but that race in Europe convinced me to support Felipe until his retirement even if he didn't win again after Brazil 2008. Obrigado Felipe ❤️
Brazil 2008 is my earliest memory of F1. I watched it with my dad and I remember at the time being so confused and angry as to how Massa could win the race but not be the champion.
Massa was my hero when I started following F1 back in 2008 .. Losing that title was heart breaking and that life-threatening head injury limited his abilities. Too bad he never achieved the heights he was destined to reach, but I still love him and regard him as one of my heroes of the sport ❤️
I grew up watching F1 with Felipe being the next wonder kid. I always supported him and his crash at Hungary is still a key moment for me as a Formula 1 fan because I then realised how dangerous this sport actually is.
Both him and Kubica had if not the biggest what ifs and definitely hurts you. Felipe wasn't the same Ferocious man he was eversince his accident in 2009 Hungary. Along with Kubica's life threatening accident during a 2011 WRC event. Really sad to see them strong until the end of 2008, completely wacked off in 2009, and then just a cycle of what-ifs had they not been into the incidents.
It was in the Italian championship, not wrc
Agree 100%
Both where potential champs....
Rrrrobert and Felipe showed it, before it happend.....
@@filipegordinho7563 no that's not the case, Robert still completely fine with Renault racking up podiums in 2010 and 11's until his WRC crash at the middle of 2011
If they don't suffer their life-threatening injuries, I don't think Hamilton has 7 titles, because I think a healthy Massa and a Kubica that has two working arms take a couple titles away from Lewis... I'd say Lewis is only a five time champion instead of having the same amount of titles as Michael Schumacher, Richard Petty, Dale Earnhardt Sr and Jimmie Johnson
@@patrickracer43 I don't think so, Hamilton was exceptionally quick his whole career and since 2014 Mercedes has the most dominant package. They could challenge Lewis to WC but I really don't think he'd lose it easily
Felipe was always a warrior. He couldn't win the title but he won our hearts
I mean he was WDC for a couple seconds... until Timo Glock on dry weather tires (or should I say tyres) couldn't hold off a charging Lewis Hamilton on tires (tyres) more appropriate for the track conditions
Alonso is still faster than him 😭
He won the title for like 15 or 20 seconds. It was heartbreaking!
@@katlegokgotse Alonso was faster then Massa 2.0
@@sHapina21 tsi
For all of us Scuderia fans, 2008 is always the most painful year ever.
But I am happy to see Massa hang out with the grid and living his life outside F1, the man's a gem
I‘m sad - Hamilton surely is worht all his titles - but seeing him in such a dominant car - he maybe even by himself thinks that felipe should have won
On what basis are you saying 2008 is the most painful year?
maybe this year was worst for yall..
What about 2018? Or 2012?
He is such a likeable guy, 2008 in front of his home crowd was the pure nightmare, not only for Brazilian. ☹️ And his Hungary accident inhibited him permanently of fighting for wins and titles over his later seasons. Honouring Michael and their close friendship till nowadays shows what a great guy he is, maybe a little too nice for that ego sport. He might not be a champion of track, but he is a champion of ❤️ ✌🏻😎
@Ponfi and what you wanted him to say?that he is not the same after the accident and lose his position?results show that he was never the same after the accident.
@Ponfi schumacher said that he will fight for the championship when he return to f1 and he was over 40 years old.does this mean that he was the same?no he wasnt.competitive people will first try first to elevate themselfs.
The thing about Massa, is that he's a really great driver, it's just that he's usually competing against _the_ greatest drivers of his era.
His teammates from 2006-2013 were literally the three best drivers of the 2000's era...the fact he was able to beat one of them already makes him a good driver if you ask me
@Stealth Leopard lol its not that simple. Schumacher was clearly the no1 driver and the focus was on him and the same thing was with Alonso, Felipe Fernando is faster than you, do you copy? Räikkönen and Massa were treated equally in 2007, and Räikkonen beat Massa even though he was new to the team. 2018 they focused more on Massa car was developed more to Massa than Raikkonen which was a mistake. Same thing happened 2009 and right after Massa hurt they focused on Kimi and he started to deliver like win in spa with crappy Ferrari of 2009. Massa is great but not on Räikkonen's level. Also after 2009 accident, Massa was never the same and the favouring of Alonso didnt help. Its just the fact that Räikkönen was the fastest driver of 2000's when he had a car he wanted. The problem with him is that he is not into politics and his car setup window is bit narrow. Also he didnt put effort like other top drivers did, to Kimi it was and it is more like hobby. Sometimes he drinked two weeks between races while Massa was training on simulator lol. Räikkönen is true legend :)
If you are faster than someone you should just pass him.
he has the mark martin syndrome
he is one of the best drivers in the era of THE best drivers of the era.
The Mark Martin of F1
As a brazilian, I congratulate you for nailing "junção" pronunciation. By far the best one I've heard from any english speaking person!
Com certeza
I like the way matt from WTF1 says: youn cow
@@sviniciusbraga Tem a galera que conehce a narração do Galvão e acaba aprendendo
@@sviniciusbraga exactly! "Junção", "Ayrton" and "Stock Car Brasil" were on point with brazilian portuguese. A real effort has been made and one much appreciated.
Well he ain't from the British isles or 'merica. That helps🤣
Remembering the last lap of Brazil 2008, Spain without "S"
Brazil without brazi
Great Britain 2008 is Spain without the A
should have been champion in 2008 - Lewis has plenty, he should donate it back
“IS THAT GLOCK” still living rent free in my head to this day
@@ayepmashuri2094 The spaniard commentators in that race still live rent free in my head. They were like fans, but with a mic in front of their mouths. That was pretty much it. No professionalism at all. Just fans, representing the emotions of a whole country after what happened in McLaren in 2007. They were basically stunned. And so we were the spectators. Watching how Lewis was losing the title again. Certainly sure it was over. And then... GLOCCCCC.
He is probably the most loved driver who never won a championship...
IS THAT GLOCK GOING SLOWLY?
"OH MY GOODNESS ME! HAMILTON'S BACK IN POSITION!"
Kubica?
Yeah massa was incredibly likeable
what about max? what about perez? there’s a lot yk
Had the pleasure of meeting Felipe at the 2017 Aussie F1 GP. We were practically first in line near the start of the paddock walk, he came and said "hi", went to sign an autograph but realised he didn't bring a pen. I gave him mine since I had a spare, so he thanked me, signed my program book, then continued on. About 5 minutes later he came back to return it, went to sign my book again; I reminded him it was ok since he already had signed it - to which he replied, "Is OK!", signed it again, returned my pen, thanked me and off he went. Very humbling experience - he certainly earned my respect. It's a real shame he's no longer in the sport.
He got a bolt to the head which nearly killed him but kept going on and even had some memorable performances at Williams. Comparing him to Alonso at Ferrari is unfair, Alonso was in "one of his primes" while poor Felipe was at his worst
It was a spring not a bolt.
@@peterbrazier7107 and that's your takeaway here
@@peterbrazier7107 Not the point, you dolt.
nando has been in his prime for the last 2 decades, I genuinely can't think of any racing driver who has been that good for that long.
@@HilbertXVI still worth correcting
"Let's see if he actually retires this time"
-Kimi Raikkonen
This rang eerily
as kimi also did
Ugh, I can't help but tear up at images of him on that Brazil 2008 podium. Yes, he made mistakes, but it's not like he was making them cause he was bad, the guy just had a fire under him, that occasionally would get him in trouble. In terms of people on the grid, he's definitely one of my favourites, just a great guy all around.
Obrigado Felipe.
2:59 Incorrect, Massa wasn't given a race ban. He was given a back of the grid penalty for USA, however Sauber found a loophole in the rules which would avoid him getting a back of the grid penalty. That loophole being him missing the next race and returning in the following race.
Please don’t be that guy
@@Spooderbert what guy. Just give the right facts lool
@@Spooderbert Bit rude. I was only pointing out a mistake he made. Nothing deep.
@@Spooderbert I mean he’s not wrong
Hey-I’m so sorry, that was my brother-we share an iPad. Sorry guys! 😅
a champion that should have been, but sadly, 2008 started of bad by himself to then having a lot of issues.
As a Brazilian,I miss Felipe so much. I'm glad he is enjoying Stock Car Brazil. I miss seeing the Brazilian flag on the grid,hope we can be back soon.
Let’s hope for Felipe Drugovich, Enzo Fittipaldi and Caio Collet
@@manuelgerson6501 if the cash dont say louder...
Well... At least enzo is a Fittipaldi, family money he have, a name he have, but, because mazepin is parent of the owner of hass ,then, i think he only going to be in F1, if mazepin get the boot or one seat of the Minors team's (like Willians),and, for my opinion the second os more likely. Still, i also think it woun't be a long time to see a Brazilian on the grid.🇧🇷👍
I love that Massa invited Glock to Brazil this year!
@@gcn7491 or..........
The third option
Problems with Russia
Lol
This guy was my childhood hero, and it still pains me to this day not seeing him win a championship. He deserved it.
He did win a championship, for about 40 seconds……
Would love to watch a vid on Barichello, another Brazilian driver we often forget about. We often think of him as Schumis number 2 but I think it’s an interesting question to ask, what if he wasn’t? He had immense speed and consistency (contrary to Massa) and had such an immense love for the sport as whole and for his country. As a Brazilian, I still cry every time I watch that podium for his first win. This isn’t even mentioning that after leaving F1 he’s been pretty successful in all the categories he competes in! The dude just loves racing and races more now I think than during his F1 days.
Frickin top level video, Josh. How you keep doing it, I can't seem to understand!
As Brazilian and huge F1 fan(following closely for the last 20 years), I’m not taking this video as offensive or misleading. Felipe has to fight against Michael Schumacher, Fernando Alonso,Lewis Hamilton and Sebastian Vettel, allegedly the greatest drivers of the ERA, if not ever in F1.
I’m a huge fan of Filipe, he was amazing, our best, our star and our favorite… but it wasn’t enough to become world champion, however, was more than enough to fill the heart of 230 million Brazilians with hope and joy!
We will always love you Felipe, you were, are and always will be our champion!
I hired him in My Team. My aim is to give him a World Championship.
Wait, Massa is in F1 2021 ?!
You're a legend mate all the best, I'm about to do the same as he's my favourite ever F1 driver :)))
@@AnthroGearhead the deluxe legends pack. He’s I think like a silver or a bronze. I think bronze because senna and schumi gold, Button and Rosberg silver and bronze is massa and someone else
@@dbabu51 what about Ackerman ? He deserved to be world champ again
@@dbabu51 massa and coulthard are bronze iirc
I will always remember how gracious Felipe was in defeat that day in 2008. Incredible response to absolute heartbreak.
Man, his final radio with his son at Interlagos was and still is so emotional.
His career? 10 minus Timo Glock out of 10.
As a Brit, you’d expect that I’d have been supporting Hamilton in 2008, but I was supporting Massa, as I had been since 2006. Brazil 2008 was the toughest moment I’ve had watching any sport, and Hungary 2009 was close as well. He will always be the real champion of 2008 for me. The way he handled that was admirable. I will always remember Felipe as a hell of a racer and a bloody good guy. We miss him.
Felipe is my favorite driver to never win the WDC. He's not one of the greats but he had his moments of brilliance, and for one brief year, he had the makings of a champion.
Idea for a video:
Ranking all the GPs of the season
I just know that Monaco, Austria 1&2, Zandvoort and Mexico will be the worst ones (Portugal as well)
Well done, Josh! I enjoyed watching Felipe on TV when I got into F1 around '06, I'd forgotten a lot of the drives you'd mentioned. I still remember the photo of his helmet and the look in his eye, I never thought he'd race again. Glad I was wrong!
Nice polish on the video. Well put together and had me laughing during several jokes. Easily my new favorite F1 video... until the next one.
The most emotional video this channel has done, really nice to hear your view on the guy
This channel just delivers. It's punch punch - data data - info info. Excellent vocal delivery, excellent fast editing but still easily consumed. I for one really appreciate the skill and effort involved in making these presentations. Top marks.
That reference to "Why did I move here? I guess it was the weather" just bring me good memories
I lived in Sao Paulo when he missed it on the championship. The switch from cheering to silence across the whole city was amazing...
Apart from one English guy shouting something a bit rude out of his window...
Felipe imo is one of the greats to never win it, I remember first watching him alongside Michael. I think Hungary 09 and having fernando destroyed his confidence. Still my favourite driver of all time and, in all fairness, the 08 champion
I agree 100%, legitimate 08 champion
@Marno Plaisier - why do you think Massa is "legitimately" the 08 champion??? Technically Massa was the 08 champion for 28 seconds.
@@jgonzalesm6 i mean if it wasnt for renault just straight up cheating in Singapore Massa would have won the title
@@lionshistoryandgeography - Massa had 2 retirements in the first 2 races of the season???
@@lionshistoryandgeography it was Ferrari who screwed up at the end of the day
this was a very well made video, josh's content creation is progressing to such high levels, you love to see it
Well this is high quality, well done!
Great material. You was very precise in all observations.
A Brazilian pilot doesn't need to win to be loved by the crowd, he just needs to be there fighting for it. Felipe Massa do Brasil! From someone who didn't get to watch Ayrton Senna Race live, Felipe was and still is the Brazilian legend on wich I grew looking up for
Dude such a good video keep it up!!
Another factor that I think is very relevant is how critical Brazilian fans and media can be with anyone who's not a winner. After getting so close in 2008 a big part of the Brazilian fanbase and media turned on him, which could have affected his performances and confidence
That "obrigado" at the end made me tear up a little. Thanks, Josh.
Being a Br and having grown counting the weeks for F1 Sundays, I'm gonna leave my 2 cents:
For me it felt like after the astounding F2004 Ferrari always managed to lose the championship by some mishap. Something would go wrong, usually a bone headed strategy decision, that would cost them the trophy in the end. That was the case with the 2008 season. Sure, Massa could've driven so great that Hungary and Singapore wouldn't matter but in the end those wins cost him the championship, specially the Singapore incident. (oh, and no, Massa didn't carried half the pit crew with him. Ferrari told him it was ok and there he went. Ferrari was the first team to test the "traffic light" pit system, that year, and the guy who operated it gave Massa the green light before the gas hose was disconnected. If it was still the "lollipop system", Massa would have a WDC).
After that, for me I never thought it was the accident. I guess the "Fernando is faster than you" messed with his mentality. He felt that very very deeply. He felt betrayed. Wronged. Like it's on the video, he was leading the championship, Ferrari should've prioritized him (in his point of view). Or at least not interfered. Not having a message called in his radio. And Ferrari never could provide 2 great cars again. And Alonso was not the good team guy he was used to driving alongside Räikkönen and Schumi. He was good after the accident, just not after the message. He outperformed the Williams all those years he was there but at the end he realized he wouldn't have another chance to win it so he left.
Oh, and he went back for Williams because they had a deal with Martini and being an alcoholic beverage they needed a senior driver to be with Stroll. It kinda was in the contract.
Under rated comment. Pin it boi.
Exactly, I was really bothered by the insinuation that Singapore was Massa's fault.
I agree! Massa's career actually ended with the Fernando is faster message. One year after his accident he was still fighting for P1 in German GP 2010, but never any more. Not even once.
@@vinayt72 he'll hardly pin this sort of comment lmao I basically said most of the video is wrong
As a brazilian who only started watching F1 to see Felipe driving, this video made me remember a lot of emotional things. Thanks Josh
I’ll never forget that race in Brazil. Absolutely elated when Massa won just to be cut down 30 seconds later. I still get emotional thinking about it. And I believe Massa is one of the if not the greatest driver to never win a title.
Exactly my thoughts, well said man
thanks for making this video, always wanted you to make a video about felipe. 2008 still hurts every brazilian
Congratulations, Josh. Now you've gone and done it. You've made me interested in F1. After the US GP (the first GP I watched from start to finish), I thought that F1 was just a passing interest for me. Then I watched São Paolo. Then I watched Qatar. And I cannot wait for Saudi Arabia.
So thanks, Josh, for distracting me from the dumpster fire that is Manchester United.
The last two races are gonna be amazing! Welcome to F1!
@@goldinho Thanks mate
Awesome Video!!!
When Formula1 started showing the pre-race drivers meetings, one could see how knowledgeable he was. He was really a leader in those mtgs. Much respect.
great video as always!
The uncrowned champion. My heart broke when he lost the championship by 1 point in 2008 :'(
Heartfelt my dude, thank you
Thanks for having me on Josh! T’was a pleasure :)
Hol up Big Ben in dis vid?
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When you back?
Finally a Josh Revell Video about my childhood hero! Thanks Dude, amazing video you've put together there.
Never change Josh, never. Always extremely entertaining
Obrigado for making this video. It's kinda a pity that over here in Brasil, people doesn't think that Massa was a great driver and always forget that he almost was a champion and is regarded as a joke, which is the same thing that happened to Barrichello. I really appreciate the time and effort you put into this video to show that Felipe was more than just a punch line.
Watching fleipe on TH-cam is what got my into f1 im my opinion he is one if not the most motivational f1 driver in the world
Really good bro! Respect for your work! 👏🏻👏🏻
IMO he had the capacity to be champion,look at rosberg vs hamilton.massa was changed after the accident.if in 2009 or 2010 he won the championship and retired.nobody could fault him.i think that's the case now you can't really fault him.
Even though I wasn't a massa fan.he earned my respect
Obrigado you for the video, it's good to someone remembering him with such good eyes. Ty
He really deserved a championship, he was so unlucky but lucky at the same time with his accident, it could've gone horribly horribly wrong
"Most awful combo in F1 history next to these three guys being pundits" ... Josh, you just made my day! ;)
I think this video is sorely missing his absolutely wonderful pole position at the Red Bull Ring in 2014. Just one of those final moments of true success in his career which you'd be remiss not to tear up at. Truthfully Williams could have got a 1-2 had they played the strategy more aggressively...
Love your videos about drivers from 1991-2014. Thank you
He is still loved by a lot of people, on and outside F1
And that's saying something
Now that he leads the FIA Karting Division, he will surly witness some more talents grow from there, to chase the F1. Hell, maybe he will witness the next Brazilian greats growing from Karting.
Obrigado, Felipe~
love the fact that at 17:34 you used the footage of Sebastien Vettel at the Fiorano circuit when he tested for Ferrari back in 2014.
In the correct timeline Kimi won in 2003, Michael in 2006, Lewis in 2007 and Felipe in 2008.
Kimi literally deserved to be the champion in 2007. McLaren literally cheated and copied Ferrari's design ,it is literally the biggest scandal in the history of the sport , Spygate. So no Lewis or Alonso did not deserve to even keep their points for 2007. Kimi Raikkonen deserved it.
*Kimi 2005
And Alonso in 2012
@@venkatsaimurlidharan9144 Maybe in a timeline when McLaren didn't cheat.
And Seb in 2017..
Fun fact: Timo Glock was passed at the final corner, he ended up finishing 6 seconds behind Lewis. He was struggling THAT HARD.
He was basically going 50 mph for the final corners
That injury changed his career
So sad
The feeling that you have while made this video was perfect
Recently, bernie ecclestone admitted they should have invalidated the result of Singapore 2008, but they didnt do it cause it would have made for bad pr. So massa should have been champion that year
it wasn't charlie, he passed away long ago, it was bernie ecclestone who admited when asked who was better, schumacher or hamilton, then he said hamilton was lucky and that singapore should had been cancelled and the results of that grand prix nullified.
@@FSBMateus omg yes, i surely meant bernie ecclestone, idk why i wrote charlie whiting. Thank you!
One of my favorite drivers. My first season of F1 was 2008, and I was cheering for him and Ferrari. Boy, was I mad at him losing the championship by 1 point. I'm also of the opinion that he didn't drive the same after his accident, but I'm glad he recovered.
Sometimes i look at the grid and see a guy like Dany Ric, and say to myself there's no way a guy like him wont win a WDC one day, but this is not a fair sport and cautionary tale of Massa teach us that, and frankly that's one if the things i love about the sport, to simply get a seat it's an honor, to get a podium a achievement, winning race it's a dream, but an WDC that will make you a legend.
Great video Josh!
I think I say this for most Brazilians here, but Felipe Massa, Rubinho Barrichello and Ayrton Senna are all childhood heroes, and all are fabulous people on and off the track. Massa specifically was my hero back in F1 and at Stock Car Racing.
Obrigado Felipe
Somewhere there's an alternate universe where Massa won in 2008, Alonso won in 2012, and Michael Shoemacher mearly broke his leg skiing. I bet it's nice there.
I wish. Our timeline just seems to be so wack
everyone says that the accident killed his pace, but i am one to argue that the Pirelli switch in 2011 for softer compounds is what actually did it
My favourite driver till this day, he was the reason I started watching F1 in 2006 as a 5 year old and made me in love with Ferrari rather than Schumacher believe it or not lol. He was an absolute hero and such a likable character. Brazilians are so lucky to have had this man representing them for the best part of 15 years. Obrigado Felipe 💚💛💙
Well now Lewis knows how it feels to lose a championship on the last lap.
Bro the music you pick for these videos are great 🔥🔥
This one hurts. Massa was an amazing talent who showed amazing speed! I honestly think that Felipe Massa should have won the 2008 world title. Also THAT crash in 2009 is a crash that I don’t think he ever recovered from. We love you Felipe!
Monaco was actually a Ferrari strategy f-up more than a Massa f-up. If I remember correctly, going down the escape road didn’t cost him positions and the race was lost on strategy to Kubica and Hamilton
Definitely my favourite driver of all time
In my own humble honest opinion, Massa tops the list of 'Greatest F1 Drivers to Never Win a Championship,' up there with Rubens Barrichello, Sir Stirling Moss, Robert Kubica, Mark Webber and Jean Alesi (and possibly even Daniel Ricciardo).
Simple but extremely efficient answer : After the 2009 Hungary accident, he was not the same driver
Gotta love how Timo Glock will never be forgotten
Damn, Josh really said that more people should watch Stock Car, and I can't say that I disagree. Too bad that Brazil's racing scene has been in a (sort of) downward spiral since Massa.
You guys should see what other categories we run around here: we race tractor-trailers (Copa Truck) and now we're getting our own FIA-sanctioned formula-class category.
Yeah, motorsport here is on life support. Look at AIC :/
19:12 massa also got pole at the austrian gp IN A WILLIAMS, bottas also p2, making it a williams front row!
Somehow I happened to be present at some of the key moments of Massa's career. I was at *that* 2008 Belgian Grand Prix. It was so frustrating, it felt like what was a fantastic race was being ripped away from us spectators. From that moment on I cheered for Hamilton to win the championship. In hindsight of course I wish that Massa had won it and Sir Lewis had one fewer championship now, but honestly Hamilton deserved it more in 2008.
I was also at *that* 2009 Hungarian Grand Prix. Personally I don't feel that his accident was necessarily the thing that broke him, I feel it was his crushing loss of the championship at Brazil the year before. The first half of 2009, before the accident, Massa was already just a shadow of his former self. True the Ferrari was a dog that year, but Massa also looked uninspired and showed none of his talent to outperform the car. The accident didn't help matters of course, nor did Ferrari's ever increasing focus on Alonso in the following years.
I was at Singapore 2008, hoping for a Massa win, so that pit incident was crushing. Despite that setback, throughout that whole season it just never felt like Massa had it together, but at least it was a tussle between several drivers and teams so it was gripping to the end.
That’s true, Massa lacks talent, wasn’t a very gifted driver, Ferrari in the last couple of years has frequently bet on the wrong horse, except for Alonso. Räikkönens WDC was pure luck
I've never been a Massa fan, but I agree, his 2008 drive was surely worthy of a title. I cannot even watch the images of the 2008 Brazilian GP podium without crying. He struggled in F1 the first year, got a year off, managed to return to F1, and he made it to Ferrari. He was next to Schumacher, so it was clear that he was not going to win the title here, but still, not bad. Then, in 2007, Kimi comes to Ferrari, but he is the one who wins, not Massa. Then, in 2008, after having the worst race of his life in Silverstone, after suffering an engine failure in Hungary while leading with 3 laps to go, after the botched pitstop in Singapore while leading, he still had the chance to win but it was very difficult, it was now or never. Then the guy gets pole position, dominates the race in changing conditions, Hamilton is not scoring enough points, he is racing at home, in his city, with an amazing support from his fans, he crosses the finish line in first place, he thought he had done it... But in the end it was taken away from him in the last second. It's just heartbreaking...
Massa got exactly what he deserved in terms of accolades. He was a great driver, just not quite champion material, between Alonso, Raikkonen and Hamilton he was always just a half step behind in terms of ability. I remember him fondly as a great driver who brought a lot to the sport but the fans talking about championships are the same people who would have 5 champions a year and 50 cars on the grid.
can't tell he is beneath the level of other one time champions like Rosberg, Button and even Villeneuve. The difference between him and these guys is that they made the most of their biggest chance, and Felipe couldn't make it in his first that ended up being his last
@@lucas_13. I think Massa was definitely below Button's level, Massa was absolutely bodied by Alonso while Button did admirably against him.
@@lucas_13. Massa lost 20 points in Hungary and Singapore. There’s no doubt he did more than enough to win the WDC that year, even though I think Ferrari was faster overall.
@rvfharrierbruh Button also got bodied in 2016 he scored lower than half idk why people think Button is close in 2016, 2015 both cars are too unreliable, stats are like Kvyat vs Ricciardo in same year.
@@lucas_13.Villeneuve was great in 98-01, just that he got shitboxes
Man that Martini Williams livery is just so clean
It broke my heart when Massa didn't win that title. It seemed obvious that Hamilton was going to go on to win a lot of titles, so I wanted Massa to have just that one. It was painful to see.
Felipe is one of my favourite driers ever. He’s one of the drivers I remember from my childhood and I always remembered him fondly. I wish he could’ve won a title in F1
Massa is one of the greatest drivers who didn’t won a championship
I honestly think the 2008 season and 2021 season are very similar, because both drivers fighting for the title had driven their asses off during their respective years, and were both equally worthy of winning a world title. But sometimes it all just hinges on luck when it comes to who wins it.
@Sidharth Tirkey your pfp tells me all I need to know my guy.
I wasn't fan of Massa back in the 2000s and I remember laughing my ass off when Hamilton took the title away from him. But now, 13 years later, I just feel bad for the dude. He deserved better.
We'll see how you like it when its you instead of Massa....
Just like I laughed my ass off when Verstappen took the title away from Hamilton.
He's one of my heroes and while yes he didn't went on to win a title (narrowly missing out instead), he will always be world champion in my heart and he's one of the reason why I got into F1 in the first place and the way he responded to that set back at Hungary (a race he deserve to win) and then went on to dominate Europe made me in awe as a 5-6 year old kid who was just a Ferrari fan at that point due to it being a red car but that race in Europe convinced me to support Felipe until his retirement even if he didn't win again after Brazil 2008. Obrigado Felipe ❤️
Brazil 2008 is my earliest memory of F1. I watched it with my dad and I remember at the time being so confused and angry as to how Massa could win the race but not be the champion.
Hey Josh, just saying I’m a Kiwi myself, and you do great videos. So proud NZ is getting a spotlight in F1. Keep it up king!
Watching this video makes me realize why I want Verstappen to win the F1 title in 2021.
Massa was my hero when I started following F1 back in 2008 ..
Losing that title was heart breaking and that life-threatening head injury limited his abilities.
Too bad he never achieved the heights he was destined to reach, but I still love him and regard him as one of my heroes of the sport ❤️
Ever since his accident back in 2009 I feel he never was the same after that.
That and an a hudge confendice hit from the year before.
I grew up watching F1 with Felipe being the next wonder kid. I always supported him and his crash at Hungary is still a key moment for me as a Formula 1 fan because I then realised how dangerous this sport actually is.