+AlpineMusicSchool Back in the 60s NASA had a lot more money than currently and secondly there are planning to send humans back to the Moon, in the 2020s.
for the issues with gravity and adjusting to it, why do they not simply slow the rotation of the ship as it nears mars to acclimate them to the gravity gradually?
Have you ever thought about the use of an exoskelleton suite for the whole body? This could give extra strength when needed or be set for added work load when exercising. Some kind of magnetic boots would have to be added.
I wanna applaud this guy after his presentation! He just says "Thank you" at the end and then silence ... He looks so dissapointed :( You'll have my applaude sir!
So on landing the crew would need robots and or exoskeletons to help them get up and moving I think it would make sense to set up a space station in orbit around mars first to serve as a stepping stone for manned arrival and also as a mothership of sorts makes sense to me anyway that the first task would be to send and start module assembly for that seems like jumping in at the deep end to land straight on mars and expect the crew to be fit to build a habitat 😕 correct me if I'm wrong
"Have we learned the lesson from previous missions [..]". All the Apollo missions are not mentioned here. I would say that they deserve to be mentioned, aren't they?
brodino Yes, quite weird. With the sixties technology we went to the moon withstood radiation, and weightlessness and most of the astronauts lived long, productive and happy lives.
A moon base is a really good idea I think - I saw something on the News about ESA planning a moon base - but I am sure if there was a plan to do this all the main space agencies would be involved. I think launches from the Moon would be much more efficient than from Earth.
+Julie Hartley China appreciates the potential of returning to the moon. From what I hear, they are actually planning (or at least seriously considering) a manned mission and see it as a potential resource boon (long term) along with the natural technological advances that a society experiences when accepting/executing such an endeavour. One of the Jade Rabbit's objectives was to fulfill a progressive feasibility benchmark along with scouting a potential landing site for a future manned mission. A moon base would certainly be a good idea considering the many inherent benefits that would come from exploiting an untouched and valuable piece of real estate, to name just one. Strategic and exotic raw materials abound, which if put within the reach of those first to develop the technology to extract and refine them, would give whichever nation state a tremendous advantage back here on earth politically and economically over anyone else. I think China recognizes this and explains much of their interest, advancement, and investment in aerospace technology. A serious Chinese effort with visible results would, no doubt, trigger a new space race just as Sputnik did between USSR and USA. THAT would be a more desirable alternative to the competitive aspects of global politik and dangerous war-mongering we are now in the midsts of as everybody tries to control what resources are left here on home planet; such a new space race perhaps would have much better outcomes for all of us and might be just what is needed at this point in our human history. I say, "Go China! Light that fire!"
Launches from the moon are more effiecient because you dont need to get through the atmosphere. But mining all the minerals from the moon isnt an easy job miss.
Why did this have such a negative tone to it? Can they not just alter the rate of the space craft spinning to accommodate for the atmosphere of Mars, to prevent such a dramatic change in pressure. I'm honestly not sure, just curious.
I hope you guys can stick to your time table, I'd like to see humans on Mars before I'm 50! Perhaps you guys should set up a colony on the Moon too and send all conspiracy theorists there.
Send all the politicians to Mars, and then give back to the nation all that money to lower takes, and social benefits, and you will make a great gift to the Planet Earth, and a great benefit to humanity... Think about it...
I wonder if the radiation issue won't stop the mission? Assuming chemical propulsion, aren't the astronauts going to be exposed for too long? And what of on the surface of Mars, with it's feeble atmosphere?
+Brett Caton we can protect ourselves against radiation. all they have to do on the surface of mars is bury the habitats under soil, And green houses can be built with materials that filter out bad radiation.
patricklivings That's not helping you for the long trip there and back tho'. Not to mention they will have to walk outside, and sometimes the solar radiation will flare up. Unless the make the suits like powered armour (which has it's own problems), I can't see how they can do their work without being dangerously exposed. www.space.com/24731-mars-radiation-curiosity-rover.html
+Brett Caton They can make suits that will protect from radiation, ships too. they did it with the apollo missions. It would be expensive but it can be done.
+patricklivings When you leave the protection of the Van Allen Belt, (the electromagnetic field that protects us from Solar and cosmic radiation, which is produced by the dynamo at our Earths core), then indeed , high energy particles do become problematic when designing interplanetary craft. Apollo didn't have to deal with this as much since the VAB envelops the moon, although to a lesser degree - and actually goes quite beyond it in fact - but not far enough to protect life on a trip to Mars... Even though our atmosphere filters out some of the radiation and much of the UV with our everyday experiences, and it is indeed true that shielding is needed for the little trips we have taken to the moon and orbiting missions around Earth, that radiation is nothing compared to what we'd face once we leave the protective envelope of the electromagnetic field of the Van Allen Belt. Probes, of course, are unmanned so it has not been a problem there as electronics are more robust and easier to shield than organic tissue. One solution proposed is to surround the living quarters and habitable sections of the ship with water (i.e., storage tanks)... it can and will be used for obvious reasons and acts as an effective barrier to Solar/cosmic radiation. It is an issue though and is not as simple a technological solution as Apollo or LEO manned flight. Yes, burying the habitats on Mars would work although excavation is a problem considering the lack of heavy construction equipment on Mars and considering the mission of a light expeditionary/exploration team and budgeting, this also is one of the technical issues that will have to be worked out. Solutions that sound simple are really not so when you think them through, especially when no infrastructure is going to be there waiting for us when we arrive... we will figure out solutions though and we will go, eventually. I just hope it doesn't take us 50 years to try.
+David Vaughn - I said it was possible, not easy. What it comes down to in the end is if we are willing to spend the money. We can send hab modules and heavy equipment ahead of settlers. along with supplies and others necessary equipment. I have always thought the moon was the obvious choice for our first off planet settlement as a stepping off point to the rest of the solar system. The first one will be the hardest because everything we need will have to come from in the gravity well. Once we get up there in a permanent station we can start taking advantage of resources there. Which will allow us to build on a much greater scale. I would like to see a real start before I die of old age.
Imagine how much of a better place the world would be if everybody had the same status and power the whole world working together no violence no world hunger working together to fight a war on illness and working together to colonise the universe and multi verse no drug addicts and everybody had a specific job that benefits the world
Sounds like a fear of athletics combined with the fear of sleeping in a horizontal position...my Mom told me about how she used to sleep on a bed that raised her head and feet in the early-1900's, (She was also taught to avoid breastfeeding...doctoring-gone-wild in retrospect)...
If you want to go to Mars as soon as possible you need some training to go through. But in about 50 years you can buy a ticket! Or at least i think so.
They must design spinning spaceships to provide a gravity type enviroment first before going out for 6 mos or more that deep space exploration would require something like the one in 2010 movie. Humans are not made for zero gravity
stay 18 months on mars means you need 18 months food and water on Mars. 18 months x 30 days = 540 days (roughly) , don't forget 39 x 2 = 78 days travel back and forth to Mars, which means you have to carry at least 540 + 78 = 618 days of food and water(64 ounces or about eight glasses) in the entire trip for just one person! imagine you have a crew of 5 people, this amount will be multiply by 5. and so on...
Rotating the space craft won't create artificial gravity in a weightless environment. You'd just be a weightless item inside a spinning object. Put yourself inside a 20 foot diameter spinning drum underwater and you're not going to suddenly experience any gravitational attraction to the inner walls of the spinning drum.
If only you guys had proof...You're watching too many sci-fi movies I guess. What centrifugal force?? there's nothing acting upon you're body in weightless space. - Other than if you're sitting a chair up there and the craft is being rotated in the direction you're facing-then you may be pressed into the chair a bit but that's all you're gonna get.
Quite a detailed explanation Replying to your first example: an astronaut who's drifting over and touching the inner wall of the rotating cylinder feet first for example may indeed find the spinning cylinder inner wall can "impel the him in a direction tangential to the spinning perimeter"-but I'm thinking it'd be just part of him-maybe only his lower legs for a few seconds before he topples over as he's unable to maintain a standing position since there's nothing really holding him to the cylinder's inner wall hard enough for him to use his muscles to maintain even a precarious balance. I wouldn't expect the passengers floating around in the Vomit Comet for example (were that plane in an unending dive and rotating) to be experiencing any tendency to find any real stability as they nudge the wall - just because its rotating- I think they'd just be ponged about the plane's interior or rolled round and round. :)
Your example tales place in both Earth's gravity and a medium (water) that does not mimic space. Please stop repeating " Centrifugation really does mimic gravity" because there won't be any centrifuge effect happening while weightless in space
Wait!!! We are in 2015 and there's people here that thinks the earth is flat????!!! Seriously?!
+raph salh It's 2015 and people think we went to the moon in 1969 but we can't do it again cause we don't have enough money. Seriously?
+raph salh Yes there's even something called Flat Earth society...
+AlpineMusicSchool Back in the 60s NASA had a lot more money than currently and secondly there are planning to send humans back to the Moon, in the 2020s.
Airbus and Nasa
How can they go back when they were never there?
Apollo Lunar Surface Experiments Package. You may want to do a little REAL research before making yourself look foolish to the entire world wide web.
for the issues with gravity and adjusting to it, why do they not simply slow the rotation of the ship as it nears mars to acclimate them to the gravity gradually?
It's about time. Give NASA the money back.
Have you ever thought about the use of an exoskelleton suite for the whole body?
This could give extra strength when needed or be set for added work load when exercising.
Some kind of magnetic boots would have to be added.
I wanna applaud this guy after his presentation! He just says "Thank you" at the end and then silence ... He looks so dissapointed :( You'll have my applaude sir!
I love how Nasa talks as if the possibilities of going farther is so easily reached. I genuinely do.
So on landing the crew would need robots and or exoskeletons to help them get up and moving I think it would make sense to set up a space station in orbit around mars first to serve as a stepping stone for manned arrival and also as a mothership of sorts makes sense to me anyway that the first task would be to send and start module assembly for that seems like jumping in at the deep end to land straight on mars and expect the crew to be fit to build a habitat 😕 correct me if I'm wrong
I am nearsighted, so would it make my see better? :D
*sniff* *sniff* Something tells me 43 flat earthers were here.
En Route Please go to the end of the flat earth and tell what you see!
Thank you.
"Have we learned the lesson from previous missions [..]".
All the Apollo missions are not mentioned here. I would say that they deserve to be mentioned, aren't they?
brodino Yes, quite weird. With the sixties technology we went to the moon withstood radiation, and weightlessness and most of the astronauts lived long, productive and happy lives.
Adaption is what kept us as humans have done since the beginning of the human race. So what is new?
How can we make Mars habitable with natural resources for humans & animals to live long time since its gravity is about half of the Earth?
I am thinking a way to do it. 😊 😍
A moon base is a really good idea I think - I saw something on the News about ESA planning a moon base - but I am sure if there was a plan to do this all the main space agencies would be involved. I think launches from the Moon would be much more efficient than from Earth.
+Julie Hartley
China appreciates the potential of returning to the moon. From what I hear, they are actually planning (or at least seriously considering) a manned mission and see it as a potential resource boon (long term) along with the natural technological advances that a society experiences when accepting/executing such an endeavour. One of the Jade Rabbit's objectives was to fulfill a progressive feasibility benchmark along with scouting a potential landing site for a future manned mission. A moon base would certainly be a good idea considering the many inherent benefits that would come from exploiting an untouched and valuable piece of real estate, to name just one. Strategic and exotic raw materials abound, which if put within the reach of those first to develop the technology to extract and refine them, would give whichever nation state a tremendous advantage back here on earth politically and economically over anyone else. I think China recognizes this and explains much of their interest, advancement, and investment in aerospace technology. A serious Chinese effort with visible results would, no doubt, trigger a new space race just as Sputnik did between USSR and USA. THAT would be a more desirable alternative to the competitive aspects of global politik and dangerous war-mongering we are now in the midsts of as everybody tries to control what resources are left here on home planet; such a new space race perhaps would have much better outcomes for all of us and might be just what is needed at this point in our human history. I say, "Go China! Light that fire!"
+David Vaughn China fake there rover they fake there moon landing
Launches from the moon are more effiecient because you dont need to get through the atmosphere. But mining all the minerals from the moon isnt an easy job miss.
Why did this have such a negative tone to it? Can they not just alter the rate of the space craft spinning to accommodate for the atmosphere of Mars, to prevent such a dramatic change in pressure. I'm honestly not sure, just curious.
Does this mean Matt Damon is going to Mars?
tylersmyler no, as he can't take his gas guzzling private jet there.
WHY CANT PEOPLE JUST GET OVER IT AND BELIEVE!
The ship flying to Mars would have to be big. So we might have to build it/assemble in space
NASA is actually planning on something like that. Its called a Constellation Mission and there are some videos about that on TH-cam.
I hope you guys can stick to your time table, I'd like to see humans on Mars before I'm 50!
Perhaps you guys should set up a colony on the Moon too and send all conspiracy theorists there.
+TheBenEEeee Yeah, I'd like to see that too. Do it NASA create a colony on the moon, it must be easy, just do it!
+TheBenEEeee I think JAXA is planning a moon base.
Yeah, I heard SpaceX were planning a moon base, but NASA wouldn't lend them the studio.
+Revisit Reality They don't have the technology. They need another trillion $$$$$.
More like they don't have the balls to fake it again, they know they'll get annihilated in the video analysis.
Send all the politicians to Mars, and then give back to the nation all that money to lower takes, and social benefits, and you will make a great gift to the Planet Earth, and a great benefit to humanity...
Think about it...
I wonder if the radiation issue won't stop the mission? Assuming chemical propulsion, aren't the astronauts going to be exposed for too long? And what of on the surface of Mars, with it's feeble atmosphere?
+Brett Caton we can protect ourselves against radiation. all they have to do on the surface of mars is bury the habitats under soil, And green houses can be built with materials that filter out bad radiation.
patricklivings
That's not helping you for the long trip there and back tho'. Not to mention they will have to walk outside, and sometimes the solar radiation will flare up.
Unless the make the suits like powered armour (which has it's own problems), I can't see how they can do their work without being dangerously exposed.
www.space.com/24731-mars-radiation-curiosity-rover.html
+Brett Caton They can make suits that will protect from radiation, ships too. they did it with the apollo missions. It would be expensive but it can be done.
+patricklivings When you leave the protection of the Van Allen Belt, (the electromagnetic field that protects us from Solar and cosmic radiation, which is produced by the dynamo at our Earths core), then indeed , high energy particles do become problematic when designing interplanetary craft. Apollo didn't have to deal with this as much since the VAB envelops the moon, although to a lesser degree - and actually goes quite beyond it in fact - but not far enough to protect life on a trip to Mars... Even though our atmosphere filters out some of the radiation and much of the UV with our everyday experiences, and it is indeed true that shielding is needed for the little trips we have taken to the moon and orbiting missions around Earth, that radiation is nothing compared to what we'd face once we leave the protective envelope of the electromagnetic field of the Van Allen Belt. Probes, of course, are unmanned so it has not been a problem there as electronics are more robust and easier to shield than organic tissue. One solution proposed is to surround the living quarters and habitable sections of the ship with water (i.e., storage tanks)... it can and will be used for obvious reasons and acts as an effective barrier to Solar/cosmic radiation. It is an issue though and is not as simple a technological solution as Apollo or LEO manned flight. Yes, burying the habitats on Mars would work although excavation is a problem considering the lack of heavy construction equipment on Mars and considering the mission of a light expeditionary/exploration team and budgeting, this also is one of the technical issues that will have to be worked out. Solutions that sound simple are really not so when you think them through, especially when no infrastructure is going to be there waiting for us when we arrive... we will figure out solutions though and we will go, eventually. I just hope it doesn't take us 50 years to try.
+David Vaughn - I said it was possible, not easy. What it comes down to in the end is if we are willing to spend the money. We can send hab modules and heavy equipment ahead of settlers. along with supplies and others necessary equipment. I have always thought the moon was the obvious choice for our first off planet settlement as a stepping off point to the rest of the solar system. The first one will be the hardest because everything we need will have to come from in the gravity well. Once we get up there in a permanent station we can start taking advantage of resources there. Which will allow us to build on a much greater scale. I would like to see a real start before I die of old age.
Imagine how much of a better place the world would be if everybody had the same status and power the whole world working together no violence no world hunger working together to fight a war on illness and working together to colonise the universe and multi verse no drug addicts and everybody had a specific job that benefits the world
in 1000 years from now , going in another galaxy is gonna be like flying from new york to miami
Have NASA ever considered just sending nearsighted astronauts? Wouldn't microgravity just correct the vision problem then.
It will happen, just a matter of time. World is getting too small with population explosion. Mars could be our only hope.
For now there's plenty of room in West Texas about 500 Mi worth and plenty of room in Montana and Nevada
Sounds like a fear of athletics combined with the fear of sleeping in a horizontal position...my Mom told me about how she used to sleep on a bed that raised her head and feet in the early-1900's, (She was also taught to avoid breastfeeding...doctoring-gone-wild in retrospect)...
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what about the radiation on Mars surface? wouldn't it be a problem?
+dmaonytube savage
What do you think a space suit is for
Radiation can go through everything Josh. Expect doodoo and lead.
Tardi Grade Gaming ...and dirt (regolith) and water and hydrocarbons...
I’m now in 2020 why isn’t it now after a gazillion years
Can i go to Mars ?
Get a job with nasa
They are hireling for the people who could be the first
If you want to go to Mars as soon as possible you need some training to go through. But in about 50 years you can buy a ticket! Or at least i think so.
They must design spinning spaceships to provide a gravity type enviroment first before going out for 6 mos or more that deep space exploration would require something like the one in 2010 movie. Humans are not made for zero gravity
International Space Station Documentary {July 2017}
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The guy has space legs, just those who has spent some time at sea. They have sea legs.
stay 18 months on mars means you need 18 months food and water on Mars. 18 months x 30 days = 540 days (roughly) , don't forget 39 x 2 = 78 days travel back and forth to Mars, which means you have to carry at least 540 + 78 = 618 days of food and water(64 ounces or about eight glasses) in the entire trip for just one person! imagine you have a crew of 5 people, this amount will be multiply by 5. and so on...
E.Z. Rainbow You forget that some things, like water, can be recycled.
radio waves faster than light? someone said, that light would need 37 minutes to come from mars to earth
Meister Wald Eight minutes for light/radio signals to travel from Earth to Mars or vice-versa. Nothing is faster than light.
thanks
2019 anyone?
let's do this!!! USA USA USA USA USA!!!!! you have my vote NASA!!!!
going to space can cure short eye sight?!!!
Rotating the space craft won't create artificial gravity in a weightless environment. You'd just be a weightless item inside a spinning object. Put yourself inside a 20 foot diameter spinning drum underwater and you're not going to suddenly experience any gravitational attraction to the inner walls of the spinning drum.
If only you guys had proof...You're watching too many sci-fi movies I guess. What centrifugal force?? there's nothing acting upon you're body in weightless space.
- Other than if you're sitting a chair up there and the craft is being rotated in the direction you're facing-then you may be pressed into the chair a bit but that's all you're gonna get.
Quite a detailed explanation
Replying to your first example: an astronaut who's drifting over and touching the inner wall of the rotating cylinder feet first for example may indeed find the spinning cylinder inner wall can "impel the him in a direction tangential to the spinning perimeter"-but I'm thinking it'd be just part of him-maybe only his lower legs for a few seconds before he topples over as he's unable to maintain a standing position since there's nothing really holding him to the cylinder's inner wall hard enough for him to use his muscles to maintain even a precarious balance.
I wouldn't expect the passengers floating around in the Vomit Comet for example (were that plane in an unending dive and rotating) to be experiencing any tendency to find any real stability as they nudge the wall - just because its rotating- I think they'd just be ponged about the plane's interior or rolled round and round.
:)
Your example tales place in both Earth's gravity and a medium (water) that does not mimic space. Please stop repeating " Centrifugation really does mimic gravity" because there won't be any centrifuge effect happening while weightless in space
It's been fun but at this point we're just going around in circles.
+ViperACR01 Try riding a standing ride roundabout at a (fairground/amusement park/theme park)
Supper space
what about radiation???
EVERyone forget about this main factor..
He mentioned it really early in the piece. Pay attention.
does his voice remind you of something?
HPWNorge porn
The government has been going to space for thousands of years
I'd like to go to Mars before im 40 kay.. Im 13 now... So more like in 27 years later..
Interesting, but you are talking too fast.
what we do if we have a life on Mars??
Pretty sure they "no" what's up.
un sogno
Waot, more far sighted? What if that astronaut was nearsighted? Lol
its about time, we will make our nuclear infused spaceships. maybe in next 20 years.
*GOLF CLAP
For a chance to get away tomorrow
americans are so weird...ESA has the EXOMARS mission, but whatever..americans have to put their flag everywhere even if it won't happen.
Not worth it....send Rovers.....
Did this man say work together productively to justify the expense lol? Why isn't he running for president?
LIES!
Someone whose designs won't be tested for 40 years away!! Non-Performer!!!
We can't go to Mars! Not for about 100 years.