Oh wouldn't it be nice if the live simulation looked like this this time around instead of that ugly Java thing they used for the Mars rover? lol. I know, the CGI is super high priority for them, right? ;)
You know that when you say "fly safe" we're used to watch the video fade to black and hear a distant explosion, right? ;P Keep working NASA, Orion is amazing!
On the flip side, I work on Orion so it was strange for me when you mentioned your son's name in one of your videos ;) Maybe you should do a KSP EFT-1 test flight...Might be kind of boring by your standards though.
freeman Geiger different materials and different electronics need brand new tests. It's the same for cars too....why should they make crash tests for every new model?!?
freeman Geiger engineer said " we have to test all of its systems.....BEFORE we can send astronauts into space on Orion". He just talks about the machinery all the time.
freeman Geiger "it passes through Van Allen Belts, an area of dangerous radiation"......" Radiation like this can harm the GUIDANCE SYSTEMS, onboard COMPUTERS, or other ELECTRONICS on Orion"....that's the challenge they must solve BEFORE sending people through this region of Space.
So what is that material shielding made out of that can handle 4000 degrees temperature it better be some type of crystal lead crystal because no metal can handle that
What gold foil was there around the Apollo Command Module that the astronauts were inside as they went to the moon and returned? Here it is attached to the service module; upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/c/c0/Apollo_CSM_lunar_orbit.jpg/1024px-Apollo_CSM_lunar_orbit.jpg And the radiation problem to be 'solved' was too the modern electronics on board Orion, not to people. Two months after this video was published, on Dec 5th 2014, Orion was test in space inside the region of the belts with the highest radiation and it aced that test. Therefore that proved they have indeed solved the radiation problem to the modern electronics, and so astronauts can be sent to the moon and back inside Orion without the electronics failing.
@GAIUS HOTCHKISS yeah it also was weak enough to poke a finger thought according to the astronauts. Thats not going to protect against any space dust wich would tear it to shreads. Wait no its just magic foil that blacks all that out
4k F is roughly 2200 C degrees. 17000 miles per hour mean roughly 27.360 km/h. still, at 3:05 he mention passing Van Allen belts..they need to TEST passing ??? NASA, heloo ! didn't you already TESTED that on APOLLO missions, 50 years ago ??
Kelly Smith - the nav/guidance engineer said this in context to the Van Allen radiation belt: "Shielding will be put to the test as the vehicle cuts through waves of radiation. Sensors aboard will record radiation levels for scientists to study. We must solve these challenges before we send people through these regions of space." I thought we already had good data on this from the Apollo missions (I know we can collect much better data this time). Weird though.
The electronics, circuit boards, microchips, etc, are all totally different, and far more sensitive than the relatively primitive technology used in Apollo.
How about is anyone going to talk about how fake and full of s*** everything coming out of this dude's mouth is 🤔🤔 no y'all just going to believe everything he's throwing up so basically you're going to take his word as absolute truth as if he is wearing a white lab coat 🤔 got it smh... sad
Wasn't just easier and alot more cheap to just go through the Belt and take a RadAway? If much injured you could just take a Stimpak after the RadAway and problem solved...
Is it me ? or does this video kinda make it look and sound like the moon missions of the past didn't really happen ? This video comes across as though we have never gone anywhere beyond the international space station. Something about the presentation of this video isn't right.
+HALF MT Not only that but the thorough description of how the orion will reenter earths atmosphere. The series of parachutes and the endeavor to slow down the capsule. They present it like its a totally new approach meanwhile you have to remind yourself that this has already been achieved almost 50 YEARS AGO !
+Jake Weston The moon missions used a course with an inclination of 30° to avoid the Van Allen belt. The problem is that to go to another planet (like mars), you cannot start with an inclination. That's why they want to test their shielding.
+TakeoFR According to spacemath.gsfc.nasa.gov they DID go through the belts but claims it was minimal exposure. ""4. Some people believe that the Apollo moon landings were a hoax because astronauts would have been instantly killed in the radiation belts. According to the US Occupation Safety and Health Agency (OSHA) a lethal radiation dosage is 300 Rads in one hour. What is your answer to the 'moon landing hoax' believers? Note: According to radiation dosimeters carried by Apollo astronauts, their total dosage for the entire trip to the moon and return was not more than 2 Rads over 6 days. The total dosage for the trip is only 11.4 Rads in 52.8 minutes. Because 52.8 minutes is equal to 0.88 hours, his is equal to a dosage of 11.4 Rads / 0.88 hours = 13 Rads in one hour, which is well below the 300 Rads in one hour that is considered to be lethal. Also, this radiation exposure would be for an astronaut outside the spacecraft during the transit through "" spacemath.gsfc.nasa.gov/earth/3Page7.pdf
Jake Weston Yes, they went on an inclination of 30° which means they only passed on the edge of the Van Allen belt, where it is much thinner. This reduced the exposure to the amounts you mentioned. This solution isn't usable to go to mars - this time they have to pass through the middle, which requires proper shielding.
+TakeoFR So which is it ? "30° to avoid the Van Allen belt" ? or "30° which means they only passed on the edge of the Van Allen belt" ? Seems like 30° will either do one course or the other. I don't know anything about the van allen belts but at least I'm supplying a reference. Get your story strait.
"No data can penetrate the plasma...", just like me in the mornings. But coffee-yes, coffee-dissipates the plasma just enough to allow short bursts of data to flow through. Thanks, coffee.
So.... To put this in perspective.... The speaker in the video says that temperatures will reach 4000 Fahrenheit or (2204 Celsius). This is hotter than the surface temperature of Venus (464 Celsius). It also happens to be 2/5 the surface temperature of the sun (5,500 Celsius)! Good grief! To get an idea of melting points, Iron melts at 1538 Celsius. The speaker also says that Orion will reach 3600 miles above Earth (5793 km). This is not nearly as far out as the moon which is 252,000 km out at the closest. Compared to the Apollo missions, this isn't very far out into space. Hopefully NASA will get a lot of data back about Orion's radiation shielding so we can travel back to the moon and beyond.
@kelly stone Reflective field for what? The sun's radiation? Wikipedia says that it deflects energy particles. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Van_Allen_radiation_belt
@ 3:17 According to this video Orion will test the Van Allen radiation belt first before we can send people through this region of space. Didn't we already send 6 manned crews through this region on the way to the moon in the Apollo missions? If the moon missions were real, then it seems the whole "punching through the Van Allen belt" problem should have been solved over 40 years ago. Moon landing conspiracy theorists' please take note.
Sadly the design of the apollo system were destroyed after the program ended. Why? I have no fucking idea. So we need to test this to see if it will work
the apollo missions took a path thru the thinnest possible route of the belts. www.armaghplanet.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2013/01/image-of-Apollo-11-and-van-allen-belts.gif NASA is testing new technologies, new craft. If you think that NASA would release a video that contradicts their lunar landings... you are deluded.
Mine I've personally read some of the parachute reports generated by the Apollo generation, and we have an old guy walking around here as a consultant who worked on Gemini before Apollo. That knowledge is still around. Fair disclosure: I work for the company making the parachutes. Apollo carried 3 astronauts, Orion can carry up to 6.
On the Van Allen belt: "We must solve these challenges before we send people through this region of space." Obviously. Because Stanley Kubrick didn't have to solve it when he filmed the moon landings on a soundstage.
Technology is pretty much always tested every single time it's improved, just improving on something without tests in stupid and dangerous. Of course it's being tested again.
@@username2122 It's a basic thing, also he literally mentioned that it could harm electronics, never even mentioned humans, modern electronics are not the same as in the 60s.
Had to watch this without sound (sneaky viewing at work), but it looks like pretty much a re-run of the (also unmanned) Apollo 4 mission and for the same reason: testing that the capsule can withstand re-entry at lunar-return velocities. Just re-entering from LEO wouldn't generate the same levels of heat and shock. The shuttle would have been toast doing this.
They do it on purpose. Read 95% of the comments on here. NASA admits they have never been to space and the sheep will still defend them to their death.
Of course they did. They had been discovered 10 years before the first mission to the Moon (Apollo 8 in December 1968). They kept the crew safe by a combination of effective shielding (at least against te low energy particles that make up most of the radiation) and by passing quickly through the belts (in a matter of a few hours).
@@eventcone so why is nasa developing this if apolo made it in 60s?can u connect 2 dots or ur belief in scientism is too strong,,besides put the cam on the moon and show me globe spining,,that could be easily done,,if earth was a globe in first place
@@howdareu7529 NASA is developing an all-new spacecraft. THAT is the difference. The new spacecraft has to be tested in space before humans are put aboard for future flights. Just as was done for Apollo. The Earth 'spins' at half the speed that the hour hand on a clock moves i.e. once every 24 hours). Can you see an hour hand moving?
Hi duke, hope that you are well. You asked "so how they went trought (sic) van allen (sic) radiation belts in 60s?". The Van Allen Belts are called after James Van Allen, who worked for NASA and is credited with their discovery. While travel through this region of space requires careful planning, it is not the insurmountable obstacle that many reality deniers, in their ignorance, imagine it to be. The Van Allen Belts is a region of charged particles originating mainly from the solar wind that are contained by the Earth's magnetic field. The capsule walls and equipment shielded the astronauts from the vast majority of the particle radiation. The radiation dosage received by an astronaut while passing through the Van Allen Belts will depend on factors such as speed, shielding, trajectory, time spend in the region etc. The aim of the Apollo missions was to minimise the time spent in this region of space and thus reduce the exposure to a minimum. Here is quote from James Van Allen himself in 2004. "the outbound and inbound trajectories of the Apollo spacecraft cut through the outer portions of the inner belt and because of their high speed spent only about 15 minutes in traversing the region and less than 2 hours in traversing the much less penetrating radiation in the outer radiation belt. The resulting radiation exposure for the round trip was less than 1% of a fatal dosage - a very minor risk among the far greater other risks of such flights". Take care.
Hi duke, hope that you are well. You asked "a ye they didnt know they existed". We have known of the existence, nature and much more about the Van Allen Belts since the late 1950's, largely as a result of the research carried out by NASA and their predecessors JPL and ABMA. Take care.
Finally, NASA got some professional video story tellers. Americans can be proud of our space program once again. Hey NASA, lets leave the weapons systems out of these projects from now on.
@@GumballAstronaut7206 Really? This makes no sense. Radiation is the most studied branch of knowledge. We know everything. The doses, how thick must be shield and from what material to cut the intensity by 10%, 20%, 50% etc. It is all done and calculated by US military for decades since 1940s. Why send humans into extreme region filled with extreme radiation and leave them there for days? It makes no sense. No sense at all. I think its bs but if true. NASA just lost their minds. Truly.
oldi184 well when your on the moon for several weeks to months you need some form of protection for it, Apollo never had that problem because they weren’t in the Van Allen Belts for long periods of time, just for a few hours. A few hours won’t kill you. It all depends on how long your exposed to it, and how much dosage of radiation is shot into you, and because of these long duration missions your gonna need a layer of protection over the space craft. Apollo was in space and on the moon for a few days. You will be fine. Artemis will be on the moon to months to years. This will kill you without it.
So I’m just wondering about the heat shield technology …is this the same technology that is used on the parker solar probe ? the second question is when would it be possible to upgrade the heat shield technology to the point where are the Robot would actually be able to [] ?
To quote the now world famous astronaut from a series of CGI entertainment productions namely €£¥$T.O.Y.S.T.O.R.Y.$¥£€ " TO INFINITY AND BEYOND! " Oh my, could he have been referring to an infinite hell and the beyond a lake of fire! You know what I know.... John 1:1 In the beginning was THE WORD, and THE WORD WAS WITH GOD, and THE WORD WAS GOD! 2 The same was in the beginning with God. 3 All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made. 4 In him was life; and the life was the light of men. 5 And the light shineth in darkness; and the darkness comprehended it not. KJV
Hi George, hope that you are well. You asked "Why do we still need to figure out how to get people thru the belts". Listen to what Kelly Smith said in the video and you will find your answer. "Radiation like this can harm the guidance systems, onboard computers or other electronics on Orion." Modern electronics are far more susceptible to radiation damage than the electronics used during the Apollo era. It obvious that the electronics in the "guidance systems, onboard computers" etc, must be thorough tested before a crewed mission with this new spacecraft. Take care.
Yeah you would think right but that's just one of the many lies we were told so maybe this is the start of you waking up realizing that we have been lied to on a massive scale and if one was to look in to everything we were told not only would you see the deception the b******* you would start to see our reality our true reality for what it is
Hi W, hope that you are well. Listen to what Kelly Smith said in the video and you will find your answer. "Radiation like this can harm the guidance systems, onboard computers or other electronics on Orion." Modern electronics are far more susceptible to radiation damage than the electronics used during the Apollo era. It obvious that the electronics in the "guidance systems, onboard computers" etc, must be thorough tested before a crewed mission with this new spacecraft. Take care.
Listen to 2:54-3:44. Why do they have to “solve these challenges before sending anyone out to this region of space” when they did it decades ago with the Apollo mission?
+makeit happen - maybe i'm late on your joke - but did you mention previously that it was "pretend" go to the MOON ? wow, ruSTOOPID ? the fake moon landings were to deflect and distract attention from the assassinations of the Kennedys & MLK and trying to destroy the music Rock scene that was about to make D.C. capitulate for their nefarious PentaGram War/Death Machine Cult
The Apollo spacecraft bypassed the inner van allen belt and went through the thinner region of the outer belt so the amount of radiation the astronaut receive is not high. In this test, orion go straight through the inner belt and no human have go through the inner belt yet.
Nasa is getting better and better at making great videos and handling the "media" portion of its communication. Impressive for large corporation! Most of the time, the videos from other big corporation are horrible, so kudos
There are two radiation belts. The apollo spacecraft only pass through the second outer belt, not the inner belt which orion will pass. The inner belt is a lot more dangerous dangerous than the outer belt.
+Jack Black To go to the moon it was easily possible to used a highly inclined orbit (30°) to avoid the radiation belt. Now they want to go to Mars - in this case an inclined orbit won't be possible (or it will cost a lot of fuel / delta-V).
Because I see a lot of those comments (as expected), yes, we solved the problem on the Apollo missions, to a point. It was still not enough. The people that went to the Moon had 4-5 times higher chance of a cardiovascular disease than a person who stays on Earth or a person who is in low Earth orbit. So, yes, there was protection, but not enough. We are trying to build something better.
I'm used to seeing ships that are designed to hit atmo black side first. Why is this one the other way around? 🤨 Shouldn't the side exposed to plasma be black to shed heat, and the side that's only heated radiantly be white to reflect it?
+Isukaman HELLO MCFLY ANYBODY HOME ? THEY ADMIT IT'S A PROBLEM IN 2014 SO HOW COULD THEY HAVE DONE IT NO PROBLEM IN THE 60s and 70S ? NASA IS A BIG JOKE - BTW JUST CHECK THERE ISIS FAKE CGI FOOTAGE ON THE NASA CHANNEL - DO SOME RESEARCH ON TH-cam !
We figured out how to get through the van Allen belts in 1962. The first satellites launched by the US measured the radiation levels in space. A human gets a lethal dose of radiation after spending one week in the center of the belts. But the level is low enough that you can traverse the belts without risk. The Apollo missions went through the belts in 3 hours, and got a radiation dose equivalent to a few X-rays.
@@themagicalducklings The challenges he was referring to was the design of Orion's electronics. Those are new and very different to what was used on Apollo. We've sent hundreds of satellites through the van Allen belts, we even have satellites living in the belts continuously, so we had a lot of data on how electronics behave in that region of space. But this was the first time since Apollo that a manned spacecraft went through the belts.
Man, I can't wait! I'm actually considering to travel from Norway to USA just to watch the launch! While probes like Rosetta, Maven and Cassini are exiting, there's just something magical about pods designed for human flight. Therefore, Orion and Dragon are the two projects I'm the most exited about.
TourOfTorun then it seems like this problem was solved 40 years ago. The shuttle program was shut down because it was an out dated technology that was a giant waste of money. Whey would the celebrate by replacing a 20 year old device for a 40 year old design and make it sound like it has never been done before. Besides, if you get this thing to mars, how the hell are you going to get it back without another Saturn V rocket to get it off the surface. Oh, and where the hell are you going to store enough food and water for the trip in this little thing?
***** It's a matter of trajectory. The Apollo flights were able to avoid most of the Van Allen belts by good timing and because of the Moon's inclination. When Orion goes to mars or an asteroid, they will have to go through the worst parts of the belts.
mazack00 Mostly thick walls with some kind of insulation. They spent that time in the Command Module as far as I know. To be honest, Google is your best friend. I don't know a lot about radiation anyway.
On the Apollo 13 mission, they were using the lunar module as a life raft. This must have been one of the main reasons why moving the crew back to the command module as they approached Earth was so critical.
He's talking about testing the capsule to make sure it will protect both humans and sensitive equipment on board. You don't build a new spacecraft and just send people up in it without verifying its safety. Is it really that hard to understand?
Interesting that you admit very early in this video that you need to solve the Van Allen radiation belts issue before sending people out of earth orbit. So by that logic and admission we've never left earth orbit. Which means we've never been to the moon.
The Van Allen belts are not a problem for people to pass through in a few hours. You would need to remain inside them for at least a week to receive a fatal dose of radiation, as stated by Dr Van Allen himself. Van Allen belt radiation is a problem for MODERN ELECTRONICS because they are mostly electrons in the most intense regions (beta radiation). The crude electronics of the late 60s and early 70s with components that we can make out by eye were far too large and crude to be effected, but modern electronics with microscopic structures that can only be seen with very powerful microscope are delicate and sensitive to the electrons in Van Allen belt radiation and so have to be shielded properly and/or radiation hardened. In other words, take an early 70s calculator into the Van Allen belts and it will work without problems, but your modern phone will crash almost immediately. That's the difference :-)
Ok. So I have to debunk this AGAIN. I am an industry certified computer technician with over 20 years experience in the industry. I have done work for a NASA contractor. The shielding is required for the computer and other electronic components on board. Chips made in the modern era (especially memory chips) are WAY more volatile than those made in the 1960s. They are made from a different material, which allows us to build them smaller and with more storage capacity. Because they are more volatile, they are more susceptible to radiation exposure, resulting in data corruption. That's why Orion tested the components. The shielding protecting the components will be more than sufficient to protect humans.
All I said was that the next few years are going to be an interesting time for NASA but for some reason your trying to make this a debate about theories and myths.
***** the russians did check it the entire time...because it gave the americans a propaganda victory. The soviets admitted defeat. Also the japanese spacecraft kaguya, which orbits the moon shot photos of the landing sites. I´m quite sad that we live in a century of misinformation and anti science. So many conspiracy idiots move out and talk their rubbish. Going to the moon is easy. Orion is designed to go even further - mars and beyond. I think the big problem of ourtime is, that evryone thinks he / she is important and that he can voice his idiotic ideas.
Farah Reh Yep. The internet is great, but it also unfortunately gives a voice to all the fucking morons out there who think that because they saw a video on youtube, they know more than all the educated people. The internet facilitates the spread of information, but it also facilitates the spread of misinformation - which leads to masses of, not just ignorant, but dangerously doctrinated fuckwits. Its a shame.
Farah Reh Well said Farah....the FACT of the moon landings is well proven. The Russians monitored whe whole event (and would have LOVED to expose a fraud back in the Cold War era).....but there was no fraud to expose. There will be fools who deny the moon landing AND the Mars landing (when it happens) in years to come. We should really feel bad for such people though....because they probably think the Earth is 6000 years old and flat too.......grin
3:12 "Radiation like this can harm the guidance systems, onboard computers, or other electronics on Orion. ^ Moon-landing deniers never acknowledge this part, do they??
is there any way to avoid leaving so much trash in each of the stages? In launching it leaves at least 3 huge panels and the "nose" tower, and in re entring each parachute and parachute protector.... Top space tech seems to be less green
This is so amazing! I hope all will go well, this is a wonderful step for humanity. Very excited to see it launch and can't wait to see what data they get.
The whole point of that scene in interstellar is to talk about how the education system is getting dumber that they may even reach stupidity levels that makes them think the Moon landing is fake
@Cognitive Chaos Pretty obvious you haven't done any research yourself. If you followed spaceflight heavily, tracked the latest launches, got the newest pictures, subscribed to exclusive content. You would know that it's common knowledge that right now we can only get into LEO. Because no manned rocket has enough ∆V to send people out of it.
@Cognitive Chaos The only Irony here is you thinking you've well researched this topic but think that a subtle common knowledge is some game-changing evidence of a hoax.
@Cognitive Chaos "Most people, even when presented evidence or proof, they'll deny it over & over resulting from cognitive dissonance!" That sums up your cult pretty well. Even if you drove to Florida and watched a rocket launch you would still call rockets fake. I'm not going to argue any more because you have to leave your cult yourself. Drop everything and go out and smell the air. Go complete High School Physics, go watch a rocket launch, learn about how they work. Don't mindlessly following like a sheep, people who have no evidence that the Moon landings are fake.
You have to "solve" the challenge of the van allen belts? Uh ... didn't we do that when we went to the moon during Apollo? Really? I mean, if you're not going to apply the lessons learned from the only program that actually WENT SOMEWHERE, what's the point? Stop dumbing down space exploration!
Learning to hearing people is important..... 1rst : Men in program Apollo has a challenge against USSR... (so quicky resolved, may be too fast) 2snd : Is people accept to see men/women dying because NASA don't have make enough research? (chalenger) 3??? (excuse i'm french) : Is people accept spend 1% of GDP"of USA for one year in one launch? (apollo do it) (nasa budget) and .... and
Solve mostly means "passing through" without risk, yes, we have found A WAY to get through it but not a SOLUTION, the Apollo missions found a way to pass through it just by flying through it with high risks of it killing the astronauts
I'll repeat here: NASA HAS A PROBLEM WHICH WAS NEVER SOLVED. Why wasn't it solved? Because in 1969 they had a choice, either keep astronauts safe from radiation or send them to the Moon, they couldn't do both. This was said by National Academy of Sciences to NASA. Until 1989 acceptable lifetime dose of radiation for astronauts was 400% higher than it is now so astronauts could possibly go to the Moon again, but Mars is a No-Go until it's proven that Orion spacecraft's shields are up to the challenge.. That's why engineer says "we must solve these challenges before we send people".
***** so , why not do the same this time? Kris, give it up, no one is buying this crap anymore...sell your Apollo PJ's, bedspread and curtains while you can !
Ackyman The main problem is the electronics; since integrated processors have shrunk considerably, their close-packed circuitry unfortunately makes them more susceptible to radiation damage. Some of this hardware is used for critical items such as life support and guidance. Solutions must be sought to harden these things against the hazards. You don't 'buy' it because you don't know enough about it. In all cases when dealing with doubters of the moon landings, it has been ignorance, not knowledge, that has fueled their claims, and you're no different.
***** errr, this guy spoke about HUMANS needing protection, not bloody electronics! (OK that may be a problem too) but don't call me ignorant when I can HEAR what he says. Supposedly all the necessary tests for danger had already been done and deemed NOT A PROBLEM. Just fly around those pesky VAB's, do it quickly and hey presto, safe as houses! You can bullshit all the dimwits on here, but not one as bright as me, fellah
Ackyman If you are so bright, then please tell me the hull density for the Apollo craft compared to the hull density of the new Orion spacecraft, I'm interested in your findings.
+Cutler Cycles the craft isn't meant to land on the moon, just pass by it, if we were to land on the moon again the spacecraft would be modified to carry a lander with it. The test in 2018 is to dip inside the moon's sphere of influence to test the limits of the orion craft.
Because we don't really have a reason to send a man to the moon again. Exploration can be done more cheaply by a robot, and I don't think NASA would take "we should go because I want to" as a valid reason
Yep, the USA spent the annual budget of a small country to build the largest and the most powerful rocket EVER to be launched into space in history to get men to the moon, called the Saturn V rocket and to develop the spacecraft. Simply put, Saturn V = moon landings, no Saturn V = no moon landings.
we achieved a similar result to what we want now, but when you look back at the apollo program, you can see that me took maaaany risks that by today's standards would be much too high. just look at apollo 13. by all accounts, we should have lost that mission,, but because of the genius of the astronauts and ground control, we saved it. something like that would be outright unacceptable in modern NASA, so they are working on getting us a sustainable, safe method of lunar travel
Wdym "Extra protection?" Every single manned spacecraft has had an insane amount of protection from the reentry heat. The Apollo capsules weren't just tinfoil and duct tape
Why would we want to use the primitive electronics from 50 years ago, when modern computers are so much more capable? The miniaturization does come with one drawback: modern electronics are more susceptible to radiation than old ones. We know how to deal with this: every year, we build hundreds of satellites using electronics that are designed to work reliably in space. But when it comes to manned spacecraft, the reliability requirements are more stringent, and must be demonstrated in tests before we put people in that spacecraft. This is no different than the thousands of hours of flight testing that every new airliner must go through before being allowed to carry passengers.
People see this capsule and it's shape is similar to the Apollo, Well its basically because its the best type of shape for reentry that we can design. And probably will design for many decades. That is one thing but to seriously think this is an Apollo on steroids really makes me think people need to educate themselves a bit more. One thing is a design to travel to the Moon lets say a Cessna plane for a two hundred mile fly. Another thing is Mars which would be like flying from New York to Sydney in a 777. The Cessna will not make it!!! Both have the same basic shape but they are technically two very different ships. Astronauts on their way to Mars are alone and helpless. Going to the Moon there is a chance you can actually rescue them in a short period of time. If something happens on the way to Mars these guys are toast!! people don't understand the difference in magnitude of those two things just as people don't really grasp the size of the Universe.
Orion is a capsule, the launch platform was canceled. I don't believe the delta heavy has enough lift to take to it the moon with a lander. Besides Orion will never take human to Mars, way too small. Realistically we aren't that close to attempting to send people to Mars. We could get them there but the chance of surviving that trip to return are well out of our grasp today. Well it could be done but not at a cost anyone would pay to do it.
GlassTopRX7 Go and put Nasa SLS (space launch system) in google and read about it. This will be THE largest rocket ever built and blown by man.!! This is what the Orion will launch on starting in 2017. :)
Seeing things like this make me wish I could live for 1,000 years. I dont want to miss the advances we will achieve if we do not destroy ourselves first.
My guy you can live for 5000 years and still never see what they're throwing up from their mouths remember NASA is full of s*** and everything they show you is CGI and is sad really f****** sad that most of y'all are still asleep and we'll get so mad when someone says otherwise start regurgitating BS you've learned as if it's actual facts
@@nohedidnt777 I woke up before you were fighting off rusty coat hanger for 9 months. However, there's a difference between belief and truth. On fact, a belief has NOTHING to do with a truth. Get a telescope. Oh wait... you're not one of those "The sky is a giant LCD screen" people are you? They are way worse than the "flat earth" people.
@@clebruckus9421 - You said "but now they need to test it again haha you believe anything they tell you" Come on really? Use some common sense please. Every *craft* designed to carry people is tested thoroughly and completely before it goes into service or onto the market. Fact! So you think for a new car they won't bother to test the seat belts and airbags on the basis that we know they work in other cars? You think for a new passenger plane they won't push the wings to its limits on the basis that we know wings work on other planes? If you can understand why every new car, plane, ship, motorbike, etc is fully tested before going into the market/service, then why can't you understand that the same would apply to spacecraft, whether you believe they exist or not! You added "space is fake". A flat Earth believer claim, so are you a flat Earth believer? :-)
@@clebruckus9421 they aren t only testing the new shielding, they are also testing all the new electronic equipments that didn t exist back then in 1969. We don t know how they will hold against deep space radiations. This has to be tested in real conditions.
@@uncitoyenfrancais didn’t have any shielding back in 69 so they say ,space is fake,if the sky was a vacuum then the air we breath would fill it as according to gas law and the law of increased entropy! Fairy tales is all you have
FINALLY.......Verbally admitting by NASA, "We must solve these challenges before sending ppl through the VAN ALLEN BELT b/c radiation is so high". If we've already sent ppl the moon, why is there a need to solve this? Didn't we do this before all the Apollo missions? I'm just saying!
TourOfTorun Well, if I had not done research on the Apollo missions 10-15 years ago, I might believe you, however I done quite a bit of research. This illogic excuse doesn't make sense. Before spreading nonsense do some research or maybe ur just trolling..........Not one Apollo capsule was equipped or designed to handle the high concentration radiation of the Van Allen belt or protect the astronauts.
TourOfTorun It's not possible....the radiation belt range from 1,000 to 60,000 km, there is no way to explore radiation particles in outer space or design a flight path to avoid such radiation particles. It simply didn't exist back then, so this is why they must not send ppl till further research is done.
longhand335 The existence of the belts was confirmed by Explorers 1 and 3 in 1958. At first it was thought that the whole of space was highly radioactive, until the extent of the belts was mapped by other Explorer and Pioneer missions.
TourOfTorun Ok.......you can't be serious with your responses so u must be a troll....Plz explain why no astronauts developed complications to high radiation exposure considering no Apollo capsule offered protection to the explorers?
longhand335 Are you denying the fact, easily proven, that beta radiation is blocked by a few mm of aluminium? The outer belt, which took longest to cross (about 2 hrs) is mainly composed of beta radiation. If you don't know the basic fact that beta is blocked by a few mm of aluminium, then there is no point in continuing this conversation.
You have to study NASA's manned flight plan. Several manned flights are planned between 2016-2021. These flights are needed to certify deep space flight procedures as well as recovery procedures. There is no way we would jump straight into the asteroid mission w/o some practice with the equipment and systems.
+HiiighAsAKite. Could be possible. But it would be kind of unstable. A ISS size spacecraft would tear apart for sure. But a MIR/Skylab sized one could work. Nice idea though.
The Soyuz already has a Habitation module where people can chill inside. But +Isukaman says that ESA is working on a habitat module. And i geuss (and hope) he is right.
Why do you say in your information film that you have to figure out how to take humans trough the van Allen belt before you can send humans to space? Why don't you just use the same technology you sent humans to the moon with? Why don't you go back to the moon? Could it be because you are lying and you have never been above low earth orbit???
Why don't we still all drive the Model T? Didn't humans already cross the Atlantic in propeller-driven planes? So why test these newfangled "jets" instead of using the same technology you used before?!
I agree! Scientists should also just design a type of computer that qualifies as "Good enough". Then we won't have to waste money upgrading, ever again.
What's up with this guy announcing that we need to solve the Van Allen issue when it had to have been previously solved in order to make the various trips to the moon? This makes no sense!
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@@Stem2Space to do it again, means we have to have done it before, and we haven’t. He admitted it in the video when he said they haven’t figured out van Allen’s belt.
@@ComeOutOfHerMyPeople He said no such thing. He spoke about the development and flight test of an all new spacecraft, that uses different technology to Apollo to solve the problems of manned flight in deep space.
@@eventcone they lost the data. They no longer have the data “we’d love to go back to the moon but we not longer have the data and it’s a painful process to get it back again”.
I'm starting the think that there are actually people that still believe NASA went to the moon. I thought we had gotten past that nonsense some years ago.
The Russians tracked the US through the entirety of the missions. Not a single flaw was detected through any of the missions. If the missions were faked then the Russians would have known and would have called NASA out instantly. Not the forget the fact that there are retro reflectors on the moon which can send lasers right back to Earth. Observatories all around the world demonstrate this to the general public by shooting lasers at the sites. This is proof we went to the Moon.
Dianm Knight All space agencies are in on it. They all use the same vector symbology in their logos and mission patches. Wake up brother. How many times have you fired a laser at these retro-reflectors? I'm serious, I'd like to see your data based on your personal experience bouncing lasers off these reflectors. Thanks
Indigo Raven I myself have not done the test of course. It's hard with household technology but people demonstrate it everyday at observatories, although you will choose not to believe it. On the subject of the moon landings, why would all space agencies be in on it? The cold war was a serious time between the Soviet Union and the United States! May I ask the same question you did to me? Do you have your own evidence to support the idea that all space agencies are "in on it". There are over 50 space agencies all with employees that are all "lying" to the people? Why?
Indigo Raven I haven't done my own experiments, but I've researched it a fair bit. Not that, that makes me credible for anything. I can't back up my points then so can you do the same please?
Why can't they just use the technology 50 years ago when they passed through the Van Allen belts with lots of different astronauts on board? Why do they have to refigure out what they've already figured out
They don't. What made you think that? You have been deceived by a moonlanding conspiracy video. Stop watching them and, if you are genuinely interested, do some research into the Apollo Program.
What a NASA scientist would naturally say upon repeating something they'd accomplished many moons prior: "Sensors aboard will record radiation for scientist to study. We must solve these challenges before we send people through this region of space."
@@TheYconrad Yes it is - when attempting to accomplish that same thing with an all new spacecraft (just like test flying an all new aircraft). And of course - you forget that at the time this video was made Orion was intended for much, much longer missions into deep space than Apollo ever was - to lagrange points, to near Earth asteroids, and even to Mars.
Hi greg, hope that you are well. The challenge facing the Orion Program in relation to the Van Allen Belts is the effect that the radiation may have on modern electronics. Listen to what Kelly Smith said in the video and you will find your answer. "Radiation like this can harm the guidance systems, onboard computers or other electronics on Orion." Modern electronics are far more susceptible to radiation damage than the electronics used during the Apollo era. It obvious that the electronics in the "guidance systems, onboard computers" etc, must be thorough tested before a crewed mission with this new spacecraft. Take care.
My son is called Orion. It's strange watching this video :)
Fly safe guys.
Oh wouldn't it be nice if the live simulation looked like this this time around instead of that ugly Java thing they used for the Mars rover? lol. I know, the CGI is super high priority for them, right? ;)
You know that when you say "fly safe" we're used to watch the video fade to black and hear a distant explosion, right? ;P Keep working NASA, Orion is amazing!
On the flip side, I work on Orion so it was strange for me when you mentioned your son's name in one of your videos ;) Maybe you should do a KSP EFT-1 test flight...Might be kind of boring by your standards though.
"Comfortable deceleration" - looking at how its rocking around I'd still be sitting inside screaming my lungs out
It's already not-so-strange enough for me that his name isn't Jebediah... ...
They made this video in 2013 and in 14.05.2021 they never been even in low orbit. Have a good night!😂😂😂
The same in 2024 :)
Didn't we already solve the Van Allen issue when we made several trips to the moon?
freeman Geiger good one :P
freeman Geiger different materials and different electronics need brand new tests. It's the same for cars too....why should they make crash tests for every new model?!?
aspera3 he said....SOLVE the Van Allen issue for manned flight. Not certifying the the machinery.
freeman Geiger engineer said " we have to test all of its systems.....BEFORE we can send astronauts into space on Orion". He just talks about the machinery all the time.
freeman Geiger "it passes through Van Allen Belts, an area of dangerous radiation"......" Radiation like this can harm the GUIDANCE SYSTEMS, onboard COMPUTERS, or other ELECTRONICS on Orion"....that's the challenge they must solve BEFORE sending people through this region of Space.
So what is that material shielding made out of that can handle 4000 degrees temperature it better be some type of crystal lead crystal because no metal can handle that
Tungsten's melting point is 6177°F
"we lost the gold foil, dood, now we need new tech to solve this radiation problem, bro"
What gold foil was there around the Apollo Command Module that the astronauts were inside as they went to the moon and returned? Here it is attached to the service module;
upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/c/c0/Apollo_CSM_lunar_orbit.jpg/1024px-Apollo_CSM_lunar_orbit.jpg
And the radiation problem to be 'solved' was too the modern electronics on board Orion, not to people.
Two months after this video was published, on Dec 5th 2014, Orion was test in space inside the region of the belts with the highest radiation and it aced that test.
Therefore that proved they have indeed solved the radiation problem to the modern electronics, and so astronauts can be sent to the moon and back inside Orion without the electronics failing.
@GAIUS HOTCHKISS yeah it also was weak enough to poke a finger thought according to the astronauts. Thats not going to protect against any space dust wich would tear it to shreads.
Wait no its just magic foil that blacks all that out
@@yazzamx6380 hahahaha pigs in space
@@ShaddySoldier - You said " yeah it also was weak enough to poke a finger thought according to the astronauts."
Except it wasn't.
@@ShaddySoldier And also those pesky micro meteors on the moon.
so its 17k miles/hour and 4k fahrenheit yes? Can we have that in some real standardized units everyone is able to understand?
4k F is roughly 2200 C degrees. 17000 miles per hour mean roughly 27.360 km/h. still, at 3:05 he mention passing Van Allen belts..they need to TEST passing ??? NASA, heloo ! didn't you already TESTED that on APOLLO missions, 50 years ago ??
The have to test it for ALL spacecraft
@@tavidod2791 Orion is completely different to Apollo you moron
This is normal to me to ally but what do you know it says American in the video
*this is america*
Is that a TIE ion engine I'm hearing at 0:42 ? ಠ_ಠ
Yeah, nice ear.
Kelly Smith - the nav/guidance engineer said this in context to the Van Allen radiation belt: "Shielding will be put to the test as the vehicle cuts through waves of radiation. Sensors aboard will record radiation levels for scientists to study. We must solve these challenges before we send people through these regions of space." I thought we already had good data on this from the Apollo missions (I know we can collect much better data this time). Weird though.
Freudian slip.
The electronics, circuit boards, microchips, etc, are all totally different, and far more sensitive than the relatively primitive technology used in Apollo.
@billwellford376 were better than that tech not worse crazy you say that we should just use the old tech lol oh yea we lost it
I've never seen a man look so serious while drawing purple squiggly lines.
Also, hurray for space. Don't forget snacks.
kerbal style
Lol
Hooray for fake space 😂
lol 0:42 did they just give it a tie fighter noise?
Is no one gonna talk about how perfectly and fast he drew those dots?
How about is anyone going to talk about how fake and full of s*** everything coming out of this dude's mouth is 🤔🤔 no y'all just going to believe everything he's throwing up so basically you're going to take his word as absolute truth as if he is wearing a white lab coat 🤔 got it smh... sad
@@nohedidnt777 Whats full of sh** the only thing that's full of sh** is you. But how is it fake? NASA is a real thing. And so is Orion.
holy crap
NASA OWNED
"Its computers are capable of processing 480 MILLION instructions per second!"
So, not quite as powerful as a Pentium Pro from 1996...
That's only because they're triple redundant - each board is probably only 80Mhz and 2 cores.
And each board costs >$0.5M
Daniel Chapman too heavy
Wasn't just easier and alot more cheap to just go through the Belt and take a RadAway? If much injured you could just take a Stimpak after the RadAway and problem solved...
Quit wasting time on TH-cam, Preston Garvey urgently needs you at Tenpines Bluff.
Hi vault owner #263753.
Is it me ? or does this video kinda make it look and sound like the moon missions of the past didn't really happen ?
This video comes across as though we have never gone anywhere beyond the international space station.
Something about the presentation of this video isn't right.
+HALF MT Not only that but the thorough description of how the orion will reenter earths atmosphere. The series of parachutes and the endeavor to slow down the capsule.
They present it like its a totally new approach meanwhile you have to remind yourself that this has already been achieved almost 50 YEARS AGO !
+Jake Weston The moon missions used a course with an inclination of 30° to avoid the Van Allen belt. The problem is that to go to another planet (like mars), you cannot start with an inclination. That's why they want to test their shielding.
+TakeoFR According to spacemath.gsfc.nasa.gov they DID go through the belts but claims it was minimal exposure.
""4. Some people believe that the Apollo moon landings were a hoax because astronauts would have
been instantly killed in the radiation belts. According to the US Occupation Safety and Health Agency
(OSHA) a lethal radiation dosage is 300 Rads in one hour. What is your answer to the 'moon landing
hoax' believers?
Note: According to radiation dosimeters carried by Apollo astronauts, their total dosage for the entire trip to the moon and return
was not more than 2 Rads over 6 days.
The total dosage for the trip is only 11.4 Rads in 52.8 minutes. Because 52.8 minutes is equal to 0.88
hours, his is equal to a dosage of 11.4 Rads / 0.88 hours = 13 Rads in one hour, which is well below
the 300 Rads in one hour that is considered to be lethal.
Also, this radiation exposure would be for an astronaut outside the spacecraft during the transit through ""
spacemath.gsfc.nasa.gov/earth/3Page7.pdf
Jake Weston Yes, they went on an inclination of 30° which means they only passed on the edge of the Van Allen belt, where it is much thinner. This reduced the exposure to the amounts you mentioned.
This solution isn't usable to go to mars - this time they have to pass through the middle, which requires proper shielding.
+TakeoFR So which is it ? "30° to avoid the Van Allen belt" ? or "30° which means they only passed on the edge of the Van Allen belt" ?
Seems like 30° will either do one course or the other. I don't know anything about the van allen belts but at least I'm supplying a reference. Get your story strait.
"No data can penetrate the plasma...", just like me in the mornings. But coffee-yes, coffee-dissipates the plasma just enough to allow short bursts of data to flow through. Thanks, coffee.
Did the CLOWN forget about the MOON LANDINGS AND GOING THROUGH THE VAN ALLAN BELTS ??HIS HEAD IS BURSTING WITH ALL THE LIES 🤯🤯🤯🤡🤡🤡🤡
So.... To put this in perspective....
The speaker in the video says that temperatures will reach 4000 Fahrenheit or (2204 Celsius). This is hotter than the surface temperature of Venus (464 Celsius). It also happens to be 2/5 the surface temperature of the sun (5,500 Celsius)! Good grief! To get an idea of melting points, Iron melts at 1538 Celsius.
The speaker also says that Orion will reach 3600 miles above Earth (5793 km). This is not nearly as far out as the moon which is 252,000 km out at the closest. Compared to the Apollo missions, this isn't very far out into space. Hopefully NASA will get a lot of data back about Orion's radiation shielding so we can travel back to the moon and beyond.
@kelly stone Reflective field for what? The sun's radiation? Wikipedia says that it deflects energy particles. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Van_Allen_radiation_belt
@ 3:17 According to this video Orion will test the Van Allen radiation belt first before we can send people through this region of space. Didn't we already send 6 manned crews through this region on the way to the moon in the Apollo missions? If the moon missions were real, then it seems the whole "punching through the Van Allen belt" problem should have been solved over 40 years ago.
Moon landing conspiracy theorists' please take note.
That's why it's a test. Try listening to the video again.
Jake S. No, 3 times is enough. How about you try listening the to video again.
Sadly the design of the apollo system were destroyed after the program ended. Why? I have no fucking idea. So we need to test this to see if it will work
the apollo missions took a path thru the thinnest possible route of the belts.
www.armaghplanet.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2013/01/image-of-Apollo-11-and-van-allen-belts.gif
NASA is testing new technologies, new craft.
If you think that NASA would release a video that contradicts their lunar landings... you are deluded.
Mine I've personally read some of the parachute reports generated by the Apollo generation, and we have an old guy walking around here as a consultant who worked on Gemini before Apollo. That knowledge is still around. Fair disclosure: I work for the company making the parachutes. Apollo carried 3 astronauts, Orion can carry up to 6.
This will be a true monumental flight that has long been awaited. Full speed ahead, and looking forward to hearing about your travels!
- NOM
@@NOM-X in other words..we never went
On the Van Allen belt: "We must solve these challenges before we send people through this region of space." Obviously. Because Stanley Kubrick didn't have to solve it when he filmed the moon landings on a soundstage.
Wait, how can Orion bring us to Mars? Don't we need rotating centrifugal gravity ships to stop bone and muscle loss?
LUNAR GATEWAY SPACE STATION EXISTS YA KNOW
Oh and im pretty sure it also has a mars module to go to mars too
Nasa, how about you use metric units ?
Too much KSP, I'd have a better feel in m/s myself.
How did the Apollo Astronauts survive the radiation 40 years ago if the technology is still being tested?
Technology is pretty much always tested every single time it's improved, just improving on something without tests in stupid and dangerous. Of course it's being tested again.
@@AvalonDA That's plausible, but it isn't framed that way in the video.
@@username2122 It's a basic thing, also he literally mentioned that it could harm electronics, never even mentioned humans, modern electronics are not the same as in the 60s.
@@AvalonDA He literally says verbatim "we must solve these challenges before we send people through this region of space"
@@username2122 If the electronics on a ship fail, the ship fails, thus killing the people inside.
Hey Kelly we went 240,000 miles in 1969. Did they not tell you that at Iowa State?
What are the planning to launch it with, the delta platform is not man certified and the launch platform was scrapped and rightly so?
This was the reason I started machining so many years ago. I so wanted to work fro NASA, it just never happened. Now Old, Broken and cranky.
Had to watch this without sound (sneaky viewing at work), but it looks like pretty much a re-run of the (also unmanned) Apollo 4 mission and for the same reason: testing that the capsule can withstand re-entry at lunar-return velocities. Just re-entering from LEO wouldn't generate the same levels of heat and shock. The shuttle would have been toast doing this.
is it just me, or did NASA just call their own bluff?
what
They do it on purpose. Read 95% of the comments on here. NASA admits they have never been to space and the sheep will still defend them to their death.
@@mland005 Lol. When did NASA say they have never been to space? Lol
They have never been through Kepler. You are thinking of the movie called THE MOON LANDING! Hope that helps
so how they went trought van allen radiation belts in 60s?a ye they didnt know they existed
Of course they did. They had been discovered 10 years before the first mission to the Moon (Apollo 8 in December 1968).
They kept the crew safe by a combination of effective shielding (at least against te low energy particles that make up most of the radiation) and by passing quickly through the belts (in a matter of a few hours).
@@eventcone so why is nasa developing this if apolo made it in 60s?can u connect 2 dots or ur belief in scientism is too strong,,besides put the cam on the moon and show me globe spining,,that could be easily done,,if earth was a globe in first place
@@howdareu7529 NASA is developing an all-new spacecraft. THAT is the difference. The new spacecraft has to be tested in space before humans are put aboard for future flights. Just as was done for Apollo.
The Earth 'spins' at half the speed that the hour hand on a clock moves i.e. once every 24 hours). Can you see an hour hand moving?
Hi duke, hope that you are well. You asked "so how they went trought (sic) van allen (sic) radiation belts in 60s?". The Van Allen Belts are called after James Van Allen, who worked for NASA and is credited with their discovery. While travel through this region of space requires careful planning, it is not the insurmountable obstacle that many reality deniers, in their ignorance, imagine it to be. The Van Allen Belts is a region of charged particles originating mainly from the solar wind that are contained by the Earth's magnetic field. The capsule walls and equipment shielded the astronauts from the vast majority of the particle radiation. The radiation dosage received by an astronaut while passing through the Van Allen Belts will depend on factors such as speed, shielding, trajectory, time spend in the region etc. The aim of the Apollo missions was to minimise the time spent in this region of space and thus reduce the exposure to a minimum. Here is quote from James Van Allen himself in 2004. "the outbound and inbound trajectories of the Apollo spacecraft cut through the outer portions of the inner belt and because of their high speed spent only about 15 minutes in traversing the region and less than 2 hours in traversing the much less penetrating radiation in the outer radiation belt. The resulting radiation exposure for the round trip was less than 1% of a fatal dosage - a very minor risk among the far greater other risks of such flights". Take care.
Hi duke, hope that you are well. You asked "a ye they didnt know they existed". We have known of the existence, nature and much more about the Van Allen Belts since the late 1950's, largely as a result of the research carried out by NASA and their predecessors JPL and ABMA. Take care.
Finally, NASA got some professional video story tellers. Americans can be proud of our space program once again. Hey NASA, lets leave the weapons systems out of these projects from now on.
I actually feel a little insulted with this much dumbing down, not to mention all the silly music.
i thought they solved the van allens belt problem during the apollo missions
They did, but only for a few days, NASA wants them to be in this region of space for long periods of time similar to six months or even a year
@@GumballAstronaut7206 lmfao
Vancouver_Isle_Guy what?
@@GumballAstronaut7206 Really? This makes no sense. Radiation is the most studied branch of knowledge. We know everything. The doses, how thick must be shield and from what material to cut the intensity by 10%, 20%, 50% etc. It is all done and calculated by US military for decades since 1940s.
Why send humans into extreme region filled with extreme radiation and leave them there for days? It makes no sense. No sense at all. I think its bs but if true. NASA just lost their minds. Truly.
oldi184 well when your on the moon for several weeks to months you need some form of protection for it, Apollo never had that problem because they weren’t in the Van Allen Belts for long periods of time, just for a few hours. A few hours won’t kill you. It all depends on how long your exposed to it, and how much dosage of radiation is shot into you, and because of these long duration missions your gonna need a layer of protection over the space craft. Apollo was in space and on the moon for a few days. You will be fine.
Artemis will be on the moon to months to years. This will kill you without it.
Nicely done Kelly! That is a really well made video. NASA is garnering excitement once again!
or not...
So I’m just wondering about the heat shield technology …is this the same technology that is used on the parker solar probe ?
the second question is when would it be possible to upgrade the heat shield technology to the point where are the Robot would actually be able to []
?
SpaceX points and giggles. How quaint.
May all the test go well, good luck and god speed Orion.The future is yours.
This looks more like the past. Give the budget to Elon and Burt (www.ted.com/talks/burt_rutan_sees_the_future_of_space?language=en)
Ian Sun
You watch way to much Hollywood SIFI.
To quote the now world famous astronaut from a series of CGI entertainment productions namely
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" TO INFINITY AND BEYOND! "
Oh my, could he have been referring to an infinite hell and the beyond a lake of fire!
You know what I know....
John 1:1
In the beginning was THE WORD, and THE WORD WAS WITH GOD, and THE WORD WAS GOD!
2 The same was in the beginning with God.
3 All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made.
4 In him was life; and the life was the light of men.
5 And the light shineth in darkness; and the darkness comprehended it not.
KJV
Why do we still need to figure out how to get people thru the belts? I thought we did that lots of times during Apollo? Hmm...
Capricorn 1, anyone?
We don't. Why do you ask?
Hi George, hope that you are well. You asked "Why do we still need to figure out how to get people thru the belts". Listen to what Kelly Smith said in the video and you will find your answer. "Radiation like this can harm the guidance systems, onboard computers or other electronics on Orion." Modern electronics are far more susceptible to radiation damage than the electronics used during the Apollo era. It obvious that the electronics in the "guidance systems, onboard computers" etc, must be thorough tested before a crewed mission with this new spacecraft. Take care.
I thought that the TDRS satellites had full orbital coverage so there was no loss of communication with the ground.
Yeah you would think right but that's just one of the many lies we were told so maybe this is the start of you waking up realizing that we have been lied to on a massive scale and if one was to look in to everything we were told not only would you see the deception the b******* you would start to see our reality our true reality for what it is
@@nohedidnt777 thanks SO much for trolling a comment I made Six Years ago
How did the previous Apollo missions make it thru the radiation belt if we didn't have a way to survive until now?
We did. There is nothing in this video to indicate otherwise.
Hi W, hope that you are well. Listen to what Kelly Smith said in the video and you will find your answer. "Radiation like this can harm the guidance systems, onboard computers or other electronics on Orion." Modern electronics are far more susceptible to radiation damage than the electronics used during the Apollo era. It obvious that the electronics in the "guidance systems, onboard computers" etc, must be thorough tested before a crewed mission with this new spacecraft. Take care.
Makes you think how they did it in 1969…They already figured out this problem decades ago, right?…right?
Listen to 2:54-3:44. Why do they have to “solve these challenges before sending anyone out to this region of space” when they did it decades ago with the Apollo mission?
Because modern electronics are far more sophisticated and vulnerable to particle radiation than the big chunky stuff of Apollo.
Did they FORGET that we already went to the MOON? WOW!
+makeit happen - maybe i'm late on your joke - but did you mention previously that it was "pretend" go to the MOON ? wow, ruSTOOPID ? the fake moon landings were to deflect and distract attention from the assassinations of the Kennedys & MLK and trying to destroy the music Rock scene that was about to make D.C. capitulate for their nefarious PentaGram War/Death Machine Cult
+Jimi Vincent citation ?
The Apollo spacecraft bypassed the inner van allen belt and went through the thinner region of the outer belt so the amount of radiation the astronaut receive is not high. In this test, orion go straight through the inner belt and no human have go through the inner belt yet.
Nasa is getting better and better at making great videos and handling the "media" portion of its communication. Impressive for large corporation! Most of the time, the videos from other big corporation are horrible, so kudos
They are not exactly a "corporation" but yeah, they got better in the PR. I'd say they're the most open part of the U.S. government.
NASA isn't a corporation, it's part of the USA government. It's funded by American citizens.
they say we were born too late to explore the galaxy; and born too early to explore the earth.
But we get to live in that exciting transition period.
What upper stage engine will be used for this flight? I thought there are still discussions between the J2X and the RL-10 cluster.
If the Van Allen radiation belt is so dangerous, how did all the astronauts who landed on the moon survived passing through it, twice ?
There are two radiation belts. The apollo spacecraft only pass through the second outer belt, not the inner belt which orion will pass. The inner belt is a lot more dangerous dangerous than the outer belt.
This is ridiculous! Why don't they make Orion pass just the outer belt?
+Jack Black To go to the moon it was easily possible to used a highly inclined orbit (30°) to avoid the radiation belt. Now they want to go to Mars - in this case an inclined orbit won't be possible (or it will cost a lot of fuel / delta-V).
They didnt go through it.
Yes, because they never went.
Because I see a lot of those comments (as expected), yes, we solved the problem on the Apollo missions, to a point. It was still not enough. The people that went to the Moon had 4-5 times higher chance of a cardiovascular disease than a person who stays on Earth or a person who is in low Earth orbit. So, yes, there was protection, but not enough. We are trying to build something better.
😂😂😂😂
@@chrissmilich3530 what
Great CGI Love that !
I'm used to seeing ships that are designed to hit atmo black side first. Why is this one the other way around? 🤨 Shouldn't the side exposed to plasma be black to shed heat, and the side that's only heated radiantly be white to reflect it?
When are we going to use 1 of the other 62 forms of propulsion that are better than those being used today?
The radiation problem was solved for Apollo.
+Isukaman HELLO MCFLY ANYBODY HOME ? THEY ADMIT IT'S A PROBLEM IN 2014 SO HOW COULD THEY HAVE DONE IT NO PROBLEM IN THE 60s and 70S ?
NASA IS A BIG JOKE - BTW JUST CHECK THERE ISIS FAKE CGI FOOTAGE ON THE NASA CHANNEL - DO SOME RESEARCH ON TH-cam !
No, it hasn't solve yet. The apollo spacecraft bypass the radiation belt, orion will go through it.
Plus orion computer system is much more sensitive to radiation than the apollo spacecraft.
+Isukaman but wasn't solved for orion...
+vaultsuit Same solution as in the ISS. Just keep the windows closed.
How did we pass through when NASA went to the moon? 3:35 oh, right, we didn't pass through LOL
We figured out how to get through the van Allen belts in 1962. The first satellites launched by the US measured the radiation levels in space. A human gets a lethal dose of radiation after spending one week in the center of the belts. But the level is low enough that you can traverse the belts without risk. The Apollo missions went through the belts in 3 hours, and got a radiation dose equivalent to a few X-rays.
He said, "we must solve these challenges before we send people into this region of space" . But you say we solved these challenges?
@@themagicalducklings The challenges he was referring to was the design of Orion's electronics. Those are new and very different to what was used on Apollo. We've sent hundreds of satellites through the van Allen belts, we even have satellites living in the belts continuously, so we had a lot of data on how electronics behave in that region of space. But this was the first time since Apollo that a manned spacecraft went through the belts.
More funding please.
for space whores and space hotels.
Space hotels sound great!
Man, I can't wait! I'm actually considering to travel from Norway to USA just to watch the launch! While probes like Rosetta, Maven and Cassini are exiting, there's just something magical about pods designed for human flight. Therefore, Orion and Dragon are the two projects I'm the most exited about.
So is the radiation being monitored of how close it. Is or gets to earth
3 of the Apollo flights went through the Van Allen belt. What kind of protection did our astronauts have against it back then, if any?
TourOfTorun then it seems like this problem was solved 40 years ago. The shuttle program was shut down because it was an out dated technology that was a giant waste of money. Whey would the celebrate by replacing a 20 year old device for a 40 year old design and make it sound like it has never been done before. Besides, if you get this thing to mars, how the hell are you going to get it back without another Saturn V rocket to get it off the surface. Oh, and where the hell are you going to store enough food and water for the trip in this little thing?
***** It's a matter of trajectory. The Apollo flights were able to avoid most of the Van Allen belts by good timing and because of the Moon's inclination.
When Orion goes to mars or an asteroid, they will have to go through the worst parts of the belts.
astropapi1 Three of them went through the worst parts of the radiation. I want to know what measures were taken back then to keep them from cooking.
mazack00 Mostly thick walls with some kind of insulation. They spent that time in the Command Module as far as I know.
To be honest, Google is your best friend. I don't know a lot about radiation anyway.
On the Apollo 13 mission, they were using the lunar module as a life raft. This must have been one of the main reasons why moving the crew back to the command module as they approached Earth was so critical.
Wow! Absolutely amazing! I wish I could travel to space.
do it then
listen in class
get yourself in college
"We must solve these challenges before we send PEOPLE through this region of space"
I'm sorry, WHAT?
He's talking about testing the capsule to make sure it will protect both humans and sensitive equipment on board. You don't build a new spacecraft and just send people up in it without verifying its safety. Is it really that hard to understand?
Why not Artemis rocket?
At 4:23 is that Kate rubins?
Interesting that you admit very early in this video that you need to solve the Van Allen radiation belts issue before sending people out of earth orbit. So by that logic and admission we've never left earth orbit. Which means we've never been to the moon.
Wrong. But nice try.
@@atlas8827 so we didn't have the technology to leave yet we got there? Then why do we need it jo for orion
The Van Allen belts are not a problem for people to pass through in a few hours. You would need to remain inside them for at least a week to receive a fatal dose of radiation, as stated by Dr Van Allen himself.
Van Allen belt radiation is a problem for MODERN ELECTRONICS because they are mostly electrons in the most intense regions (beta radiation).
The crude electronics of the late 60s and early 70s with components that we can make out by eye were far too large and crude to be effected, but modern electronics with microscopic structures that can only be seen with very powerful microscope are delicate and sensitive to the electrons in Van Allen belt radiation and so have to be shielded properly and/or radiation hardened.
In other words, take an early 70s calculator into the Van Allen belts and it will work without problems, but your modern phone will crash almost immediately.
That's the difference :-)
@@ShaddySoldier
Pay attention to what was said. He said the radiation can damage the computers, not the humans.
Ok. So I have to debunk this AGAIN. I am an industry certified computer technician with over 20 years experience in the industry. I have done work for a NASA contractor. The shielding is required for the computer and other electronic components on board. Chips made in the modern era (especially memory chips) are WAY more volatile than those made in the 1960s. They are made from a different material, which allows us to build them smaller and with more storage capacity. Because they are more volatile, they are more susceptible to radiation exposure, resulting in data corruption. That's why Orion tested the components.
The shielding protecting the components will be more than sufficient to protect humans.
I'm excited to see how the next 10 years will turn out for space!
***** Didn't you ever watch Mythbusters?
All I said was that the next few years are going to be an interesting time for NASA but for some reason your trying to make this a debate about theories and myths.
***** the russians did check it the entire time...because it gave the americans a propaganda victory. The soviets admitted defeat. Also the japanese spacecraft kaguya, which orbits the moon shot photos of the landing sites.
I´m quite sad that we live in a century of misinformation and anti science. So many conspiracy idiots move out and talk their rubbish. Going to the moon is easy. Orion is designed to go even further - mars and beyond.
I think the big problem of ourtime is, that evryone thinks he / she is important and that he can voice his idiotic ideas.
Farah Reh Yep. The internet is great, but it also unfortunately gives a voice to all the fucking morons out there who think that because they saw a video on youtube, they know more than all the educated people.
The internet facilitates the spread of information, but it also facilitates the spread of misinformation - which leads to masses of, not just ignorant, but dangerously doctrinated fuckwits.
Its a shame.
Farah Reh
Well said Farah....the FACT of the moon landings is well proven. The Russians monitored whe whole event (and would have LOVED to expose a fraud back in the Cold War era).....but there was no fraud to expose. There will be fools who deny the moon landing AND the Mars landing (when it happens) in years to come. We should really feel bad for such people though....because they probably think the Earth is 6000 years old and flat too.......grin
3:12 "Radiation like this can harm the guidance systems, onboard computers, or other electronics on Orion.
^ Moon-landing deniers never acknowledge this part, do they??
Entonces es la pura prueba (si se puede decir así) antes de que hagan uno que llegue a Marte?
is there any way to avoid leaving so much trash in each of the stages?
In launching it leaves at least 3 huge panels and the "nose" tower, and in re entring each parachute and parachute protector....
Top space tech seems to be less green
All that non-reusable hardware looks very dated, just seven years later. Progress!
This is so amazing! I hope all will go well, this is a wonderful step for humanity. Very excited to see it launch and can't wait to see what data they get.
Its even in the movie Interstellar that the moon landings were a "great piece of propaganda" and we did not go to the moon.
Interstellar was a great big smeller.
The whole point of that scene in interstellar is to talk about how the education system is getting dumber that they may even reach stupidity levels that makes them think the Moon landing is fake
@Cognitive Chaos Pretty obvious you haven't done any research yourself. If you followed spaceflight heavily, tracked the latest launches, got the newest pictures, subscribed to exclusive content. You would know that it's common knowledge that right now we can only get into LEO. Because no manned rocket has enough ∆V to send people out of it.
@Cognitive Chaos The only Irony here is you thinking you've well researched this topic but think that a subtle common knowledge is some game-changing evidence of a hoax.
@Cognitive Chaos "Most people, even when presented evidence or proof, they'll deny it over & over resulting from cognitive dissonance!" That sums up your cult pretty well. Even if you drove to Florida and watched a rocket launch you would still call rockets fake.
I'm not going to argue any more because you have to leave your cult yourself. Drop everything and go out and smell the air. Go complete High School Physics, go watch a rocket launch, learn about how they work. Don't mindlessly following like a sheep, people who have no evidence that the Moon landings are fake.
You have to "solve" the challenge of the van allen belts? Uh ... didn't we do that when we went to the moon during Apollo? Really? I mean, if you're not going to apply the lessons learned from the only program that actually WENT SOMEWHERE, what's the point?
Stop dumbing down space exploration!
Learning to hearing people is important.....
1rst : Men in program Apollo has a challenge against USSR... (so quicky resolved, may be too fast)
2snd : Is people accept to see men/women dying because NASA don't have make enough research? (chalenger)
3??? (excuse i'm french) : Is people accept spend 1% of GDP"of USA for one year in one launch? (apollo do it) (nasa budget)
and .... and
Solve mostly means "passing through" without risk, yes, we have found A WAY to get through it but not a SOLUTION, the Apollo missions found a way to pass through it just by flying through it with high risks of it killing the astronauts
I'll repeat here:
NASA HAS A PROBLEM WHICH WAS NEVER SOLVED.
Why wasn't it solved?
Because in 1969 they had a choice, either keep astronauts safe from radiation or send them to the Moon, they couldn't do both. This was said by National Academy of Sciences to NASA.
Until 1989 acceptable lifetime dose of radiation for astronauts was 400% higher than it is now so astronauts could possibly go to the Moon again, but Mars is a No-Go until it's proven that Orion spacecraft's shields are up to the challenge..
That's why engineer says "we must solve these challenges before we send people".
Its cuz NASA (claims to have) lost the technology, which is why we never went back. So apparently they have to start all over (with the lies too)
This seems like a very hype airplane safety video
so..
mmm....
can you tell me why the rcs on the orion capsule is only 1 side?
im sorry correct me if im wrong
3:48
Wait a second I thought the Van Allen belt problem was solved in the 60's?
whitepowderbob No, it was a hazard that was mitigated by careful choice of trajectory and limiting exposure times.
***** so , why not do the same this time? Kris, give it up, no one is buying this crap anymore...sell your Apollo PJ's, bedspread and curtains while you can !
Ackyman The main problem is the electronics; since integrated processors have shrunk considerably, their close-packed circuitry unfortunately makes them more susceptible to radiation damage. Some of this hardware is used for critical items such as life support and guidance. Solutions must be sought to harden these things against the hazards.
You don't 'buy' it because you don't know enough about it.
In all cases when dealing with doubters of the moon landings, it has been ignorance, not knowledge, that has fueled their claims, and you're no different.
***** errr, this guy spoke about HUMANS needing protection, not bloody electronics! (OK that may be a problem too) but don't call me ignorant when I can HEAR what he says. Supposedly all the necessary tests for danger had already been done and deemed NOT A PROBLEM. Just fly around those pesky VAB's, do it quickly and hey presto, safe as houses! You can bullshit all the dimwits on here, but not one as bright as me, fellah
Ackyman If you are so bright, then please tell me the hull density for the Apollo craft compared to the hull density of the new Orion spacecraft, I'm interested in your findings.
Why not go to the moon?
+jpmvidal Exactly do a test of this craft and procedures by landing on the moon again.
They have a flight test that go to the moon in 2018
+Cutler Cycles the craft isn't meant to land on the moon, just pass by it, if we were to land on the moon again the spacecraft would be modified to carry a lander with it. The test in 2018 is to dip inside the moon's sphere of influence to test the limits of the orion craft.
Because we don't really have a reason to send a man to the moon again. Exploration can be done more cheaply by a robot, and I don't think NASA would take "we should go because I want to" as a valid reason
Wait a minute. Didn’t we do all this 50 years ago?
yep. it was rad.
No lol
Yep, the USA spent the annual budget of a small country to build the largest and the most powerful rocket EVER to be launched into space in history to get men to the moon, called the Saturn V rocket and to develop the spacecraft.
Simply put, Saturn V = moon landings, no Saturn V = no moon landings.
we achieved a similar result to what we want now, but when you look back at the apollo program, you can see that me took maaaany risks that by today's standards would be much too high. just look at apollo 13. by all accounts, we should have lost that mission,, but because of the genius of the astronauts and ground control, we saved it. something like that would be outright unacceptable in modern NASA, so they are working on getting us a sustainable, safe method of lunar travel
@@williamhutton1752 you refer to we. We’re you involved in this mission or are you just taking ownership of the alleged “achievement?”
When is Orion going up next?
Wait, so how did the Apollo capsules re-enter the atmosphere without all that extra protection, and survive those extremely high temperatures?
What 'extra protection'?
Wdym "Extra protection?" Every single manned spacecraft has had an insane amount of protection from the reentry heat. The Apollo capsules weren't just tinfoil and duct tape
Must solve these challenges before we send people through this region of space? Just use the same technology you used over 50 years ago. LOL!
Or maybe they....lied to us. *gasp*
Why would we want to use the primitive electronics from 50 years ago, when modern computers are so much more capable?
The miniaturization does come with one drawback: modern electronics are more susceptible to radiation than old ones. We know how to deal with this: every year, we build hundreds of satellites using electronics that are designed to work reliably in space. But when it comes to manned spacecraft, the reliability requirements are more stringent, and must be demonstrated in tests before we put people in that spacecraft. This is no different than the thousands of hours of flight testing that every new airliner must go through before being allowed to carry passengers.
People see this capsule and it's shape is similar to the Apollo, Well its basically because its the best type of shape for reentry that we can design. And probably will design for many decades. That is one thing but to seriously think this is an Apollo on steroids really makes me think people need to educate themselves a bit more. One thing is a design to travel to the Moon lets say a Cessna plane for a two hundred mile fly. Another thing is Mars which would be like flying from New York to Sydney in a 777. The Cessna will not make it!!! Both have the same basic shape but they are technically two very different ships. Astronauts on their way to Mars are alone and helpless. Going to the Moon there is a chance you can actually rescue them in a short period of time. If something happens on the way to Mars these guys are toast!! people don't understand the difference in magnitude of those two things just as people don't really grasp the size of the Universe.
At last someone knows what they're talking about. Excellent comments.
Orion is a capsule, the launch platform was canceled. I don't believe the delta heavy has enough lift to take to it the moon with a lander. Besides Orion will never take human to Mars, way too small. Realistically we aren't that close to attempting to send people to Mars. We could get them there but the chance of surviving that trip to return are well out of our grasp today. Well it could be done but not at a cost anyone would pay to do it.
GlassTopRX7 Go and put Nasa SLS (space launch system) in google and read about it. This will be THE largest rocket ever built and blown by man.!! This is what the Orion will launch on starting in 2017. :)
Seeing things like this make me wish I could live for 1,000 years. I dont want to miss the advances we will achieve if we do not destroy ourselves first.
My guy you can live for 5000 years and still never see what they're throwing up from their mouths remember NASA is full of s*** and everything they show you is CGI and is sad really f****** sad that most of y'all are still asleep and we'll get so mad when someone says otherwise start regurgitating BS you've learned as if it's actual facts
@@nohedidnt777 cool
@@carterscustomrods cool and true👍 hope y'all wake up soon and see the b******* that has been pulled over your eyes
@@nohedidnt777 I woke up before you were fighting off rusty coat hanger for 9 months. However, there's a difference between belief and truth. On fact, a belief has NOTHING to do with a truth.
Get a telescope.
Oh wait... you're not one of those "The sky is a giant LCD screen" people are you? They are way worse than the "flat earth" people.
@@carterscustomrods yeah and I see you believe in fairy tale stories that you're told so again hope one day you wake up and see the truth
4.03 air particals in space, supposed vacuum. please explain
It's the simple questions that are the most important.
What?
Why worry about radiation belt apollo missions went threw it didnt they?
Huh
That is why we have fantastic 4.
Joedy Holt
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Didn’t have any radiation shielding back in 69 haha
Actually they did, and different types of radiation are blocked by various amount by different materials.
@@yazzamx6380 but now they need to test it again haha you believe anything they tell you ,space is fake
@@clebruckus9421 - You said "but now they need to test it again haha you believe anything they tell you"
Come on really? Use some common sense please.
Every *craft* designed to carry people is tested thoroughly and completely before it goes into service or onto the market. Fact!
So you think for a new car they won't bother to test the seat belts and airbags on the basis that we know they work in other cars?
You think for a new passenger plane they won't push the wings to its limits on the basis that we know wings work on other planes?
If you can understand why every new car, plane, ship, motorbike, etc is fully tested before going into the market/service, then why can't you understand that the same would apply to spacecraft, whether you believe they exist or not!
You added "space is fake".
A flat Earth believer claim, so are you a flat Earth believer? :-)
@@clebruckus9421 they aren t only testing the new shielding, they are also testing all the new electronic equipments that didn t exist back then in 1969. We don t know how they will hold against deep space radiations. This has to be tested in real conditions.
@@uncitoyenfrancais didn’t have any shielding back in 69 so they say ,space is fake,if the sky was a vacuum then the air we breath would fill it as according to gas law and the law of increased entropy! Fairy tales is all you have
FINALLY.......Verbally admitting by NASA, "We must solve these challenges before sending ppl through the VAN ALLEN BELT b/c radiation is so high". If we've already sent ppl the moon, why is there a need to solve this? Didn't we do this before all the Apollo missions? I'm just saying!
TourOfTorun Well, if I had not done research on the Apollo missions 10-15 years ago, I might believe you, however I done quite a bit of research. This illogic excuse doesn't make sense. Before spreading nonsense do some research or maybe ur just trolling..........Not one Apollo capsule was equipped or designed to handle the high concentration radiation of the Van Allen belt or protect the astronauts.
TourOfTorun It's not possible....the radiation belt range from 1,000 to 60,000 km, there is no way to explore radiation particles in outer space or design a flight path to avoid such radiation particles. It simply didn't exist back then, so this is why they must not send ppl till further research is done.
longhand335 The existence of the belts was confirmed by Explorers 1 and 3 in 1958. At first it was thought that the whole of space was highly radioactive, until the extent of the belts was mapped by other Explorer and Pioneer missions.
TourOfTorun Ok.......you can't be serious with your responses so u must be a troll....Plz explain why no astronauts developed complications to high radiation exposure considering no Apollo capsule offered protection to the explorers?
longhand335 Are you denying the fact, easily proven, that beta radiation is blocked by a few mm of aluminium? The outer belt, which took longest to cross (about 2 hrs) is mainly composed of beta radiation. If you don't know the basic fact that beta is blocked by a few mm of aluminium, then there is no point in continuing this conversation.
Is it going to be a mile stone on finding 'from where we are' or like an attempt to know more about the galaxy...
You have to study NASA's manned flight plan. Several manned flights are planned between 2016-2021. These flights are needed to certify deep space flight procedures as well as recovery procedures. There is no way we would jump straight into the asteroid mission w/o some practice with the equipment and systems.
That's a very small spacecraft. I would hate to take any long trip in it. Our vehicle tech is still very primitive.
They would have a ship the size of a space station. (Built in space.)
+SuperPsychoterror There will be a living habitat module behind Orion. I believe the European Space Agency is working on that.
+HiiighAsAKite. Could be possible. But it would be kind of unstable. A ISS size spacecraft would tear apart for sure. But a MIR/Skylab sized one could work. Nice idea though.
The Soyuz already has a Habitation module where people can chill inside. But +Isukaman says that ESA is working on a habitat module. And i geuss (and hope) he is right.
Consider an inflatable habitat for the crew. Check out Bigelow Aerospace.
Why do you say in your information film that you have to figure out how to take humans trough the van Allen belt before you can send humans to space? Why don't you just use the same technology you sent humans to the moon with? Why don't you go back to the moon? Could it be because you are lying and you have never been above low earth orbit???
Yes, the moon landing was a fake and Obama is a lizard.
Why don't we still all drive the Model T? Didn't humans already cross the Atlantic in propeller-driven planes? So why test these newfangled "jets" instead of using the same technology you used before?!
I agree! Scientists should also just design a type of computer that qualifies as "Good enough". Then we won't have to waste money upgrading, ever again.
What's up with this guy announcing that we need to solve the Van Allen issue when it had to have been previously solved in order to make the various trips to the moon? This makes no sense!
All the astronauts that came back were sterile and can't have children... we're working on that so when we get to Mars and come back we can still have seed...there would be no coming back mission if we can't have children in space or other planets... children are the future...👽👽👽😇♥️💜💓💙🛸🧬🚀💯✌️🌎🌍🙏✨🫶🌏🪐🌕🌑🌞🕊️🦚🐾🎆🎇🪩🇻🇮🇺🇸🇺🇲♋💟⚛️🛐🕉️☸️☮️☯️☪️✝️☦️✡️🔯🕎♾️🆔🪯⏳
Why are there so many freaks who thinks we've never been to the moon?
Where do I sign as a crew member?
"We must solve these problems before we send people through this region of space."
Yes and what is strange about that?
@@maciejcholewa3796 then how they get people to the moon 🤔🤔🤔🤔🤔
he is too young to remember Moon landings by Apollo)))
He'll remember when we do it again
When we go for the first time
@@Stem2Space to do it again, means we have to have done it before, and we haven’t. He admitted it in the video when he said they haven’t figured out van Allen’s belt.
@@ComeOutOfHerMyPeople He said no such thing. He spoke about the development and flight test of an all new spacecraft, that uses different technology to Apollo to solve the problems of manned flight in deep space.
@@eventcone they lost the data.
They no longer have the data “we’d love to go back to the moon but we not longer have the data and it’s a painful process to get it back again”.
1:27 Moon :D
Where is the brief on these flight test for people more knowledgeable about aerospace engineering?
Wait, why didn't they test the ESA Orion service module here?
Finally they admit you need ALLOT of shielding to get through the belts. Yeah, we did not go to the moon!!!
I'm starting the think that there are actually people that still believe NASA went to the moon. I thought we had gotten past that nonsense some years ago.
The Russians tracked the US through the entirety of the missions. Not a single flaw was detected through any of the missions. If the missions were faked then the Russians would have known and would have called NASA out instantly. Not the forget the fact that there are retro reflectors on the moon which can send lasers right back to Earth. Observatories all around the world demonstrate this to the general public by shooting lasers at the sites. This is proof we went to the Moon.
Dianm Knight All space agencies are in on it. They all use the same vector symbology in their logos and mission patches. Wake up brother. How many times have you fired a laser at these retro-reflectors? I'm serious, I'd like to see your data based on your personal experience bouncing lasers off these reflectors. Thanks
Indigo Raven I myself have not done the test of course. It's hard with household technology but people demonstrate it everyday at observatories, although you will choose not to believe it. On the subject of the moon landings, why would all space agencies be in on it? The cold war was a serious time between the Soviet Union and the United States! May I ask the same question you did to me? Do you have your own evidence to support the idea that all space agencies are "in on it". There are over 50 space agencies all with employees that are all "lying" to the people? Why?
So you have no personal knowledge that these laser reflectors even exist other than that you have been told they do. I think we're done here.
Indigo Raven I haven't done my own experiments, but I've researched it a fair bit. Not that, that makes me credible for anything. I can't back up my points then so can you do the same please?
I want to be the first to step on mars
BriPie 101 It's not happening in Orion.
Why can't they just use the technology 50 years ago when they passed through the Van Allen belts with lots of different astronauts on board? Why do they have to refigure out what they've already figured out
They don't. What made you think that? You have been deceived by a moonlanding conspiracy video. Stop watching them and, if you are genuinely interested, do some research into the Apollo Program.
What a NASA scientist would naturally say upon repeating something they'd accomplished many moons prior: "Sensors aboard will record radiation for scientist to study. We must solve these challenges before we send people through this region of space."
@@TheYconrad Yes it is - when attempting to accomplish that same thing with an all new spacecraft (just like test flying an all new aircraft).
And of course - you forget that at the time this video was made Orion was intended for much, much longer missions into deep space than Apollo ever was - to lagrange points, to near Earth asteroids, and even to Mars.
Hi greg, hope that you are well. The challenge facing the Orion Program in relation to the Van Allen Belts is the effect that the radiation may have on modern electronics. Listen to what Kelly Smith said in the video and you will find your answer. "Radiation like this can harm the guidance systems, onboard computers or other electronics on Orion." Modern electronics are far more susceptible to radiation damage than the electronics used during the Apollo era. It obvious that the electronics in the "guidance systems, onboard computers" etc, must be thorough tested before a crewed mission with this new spacecraft. Take care.
Where can I find the results of this test?
it's right next to my left nut.