@@robertsmith4681The reason general lee is looked up to because he played a vital role in healing this nation after the Civil War. Thats why we personally feel attacked when they take down his monument he played a huge role in this country after the civil war.
I can confirm that the West Point commissary liquor store is conveniently placed right next to the West Point grocery store and it is a hell of a lot cheaper than your normal liquor store
3:20 There were essentially no liquor laws, of any kind prior to 1850's. And those were just dry laws. The first anti-minor drinking laws didn't come about until the 1900's
@SupersuMC the first on state level was in 1839 when Wisconsin banned the sale of wine or liquor to anyone under 18 without parental consent. The 1880s saw the temperance movement several addtion states fowwed suit. The first federal was post probation in 1933 which set it at 21.
@@SupersuMC Pretty much. I personally think anti-minor drinking laws are kinda silly, especially when the minimum age is well above the driving and voting age.
The first US restriction on alcohol by age was in 1838 in Wisconsin. So in 1820, there wasn't any unless some town restricted it locally. And for a lot of the US that was how it was up until prohibition.
@@lostpunk12 There was an immediate backlash and the initial, fairly restrictive law (it did more than set a minimum age) was softened when the backlash essentially lost the people who passed it their seats in the legislature. I would imagine that set a tone for a while whenever people considered passing more restrictions. Immediately after prohibition, a lot of states and counties passed their own blue laws and dry ordinances to do what prohibition had done, but that also faced backlash and has been dismantled, particularly over the last 60 years. (It was still a hot button item in the 80s and 90s when I was young.) The federal government also passed the 1984 National Minimum Drinking Age act which set a mandatory minimum of 21. That kind of set a floor for all state laws on alcohol, so the difference between states on alcohol laws is now kind of small. I think what has Wisconsin considered the "loosest" is not in consumption of alcohol but how young people are allowed to sell it, which honest seems kind of horrific to me. Not so much because of the alcohol handling but because it's encroaching on child labor.
About that "Big Money" bribe. I found the government pay book for a few years before this a couple days ago. A Private made $5.00 per month in (I think it was) 1823. 35 cents would be a hell of a Christmas present.
Growing up in New York state and being in the Boy Scouts, I and my troop made several visits to West Point for their football games and general West Point history. So many great memories. Really need to make my way back there again. It's only a few hours from where I now live.
I never personally saw anything to this extent, though I did here stories of it. But when I was active duty Air Force Security Forces I had the door banging thing happen to and I solved it exactly the same way Hitchock did, except I caught the guy, called the sergeant who had relieved me a few hours prior, and turned his drunk ass over. Don't mess with my sleep after a 15 hour shift.
I went to the Virginia Military Institute from 03-07 and yes this kind of stuff still happens...minus the getting ready for a battle. The thing is when you don't have the opportunity on a "dry" campus when you take the chance you go big (40k of booze for the freshmen in one night or alumni renting out a hotel and having bath tubs full of ice and booze in between two five mile parades big). Good times. :)
If duels were legal with signing a waiver being a requirement to participate, I'd watch up close by being the guy who loads the guns. The bullets would always be from Hornady because those are the most accurate from what I've seen both at the shooting range and in the woods during deer season.
I think you have more faith in the duelers than I would! I imagine that the fairly high rates of spectator (and helpers) injuries was at least part of the reason for the ban. Although MarkWayne Mullin appears to be a fan of revoking the law against duels. edited for spelling
@@Stephanie-we5ep They had round balls instead of bullets. The bore of the gun was too big for the ball, so it would bounce around in the barrel and go some random direction other than straight. This is what led to the "can't hit the side of a barn" phrase, and some people with modern guns have aim THAT bad. Modern duelling pistols would most likely be single shot .45 Colt firearms, but I can't be sure.
Coming back to this video after watching it while watching your charity video to say the reason I watch you reactions his videos is because he focuses more on what the military is doing in an area and why they are there while you give the context of the politics and stuff that happened before what he is talking about that leads to his topic.
Honestly yeah they should still allow dueling. Funny thing though a few years back I seen something along the lines of wax dueling pistols but it requires a mat like vest and face shield. Its for fun mostly but why not have both. If its of little issue, wax pistols and one waiver so you don't get sued. If both parties agree that it's something that requires blood be drawn, two waivers and one shot per-person and both participants have to pay for their own ammo, its to act as a last second effort to get one or both party's to de-escalate. Heck just a good old fashion bare knuckle boxing match (3 rounds, 10mins each).
This sounds like my time at camp kinser Okinawa Japan. My motor pool and the supply marines always had animosity towards each other, we drunkenly fought and as soon as the mp's & pmo's came we stopped and joined together to fight them. The next morning we all got written up and/or arrested. Somethings never change for the military 😂😂😂
If one thinks that is a cool and epic party, one should look up the Field Day that Walt Disney had for his staff for the success of their film Snow White and the Seven Dwarves. The party was so epic and wild that the term 'Having a field day' came about from that event. The fun started when the workers haven't heard about their bonuses yet while having not been payed in a while, and Walt Disney mentioned that the three day weekend will include an open bar. Everyone presumed their bonus was in the open bar, so they went out of their way to enjoy their bonus to their heart's content. Of the many hijinks, one that stands out is one person somehow getting a horse on the third floor and running it out of a window and into a fountain down below. Of the positive things to come out of this is the look of Mickey Mouse. When making the fliers, the person who made them was not one of the people that normally animates Mickey Mouse, which he drew with an iris and regular eyes instead of the classic original black dot look. The person that heads the department that animates Mickey Mouse casually asked if this is how he is drawn now. The other guy responds 'Maybe?'. They both chuckled and it just stuck since it happened to look good.
To the point of making a business suit potential clientele from a high school At my old high school, a plot of land changed hands from one to another for years until finally settling on becoming a coffee café. And that business has been there for 10 years now.
In college we tried to get one of my professors to teach one class at a bar. Unfortunately we were thwarted by the lack of a piano. We did, however, succeed in joining the choir director at her place to finish off some wine that needed drinking.
There were no liquor laws back then, and the liquor was 10× stronger, too, and my uncles went to west point, and it's tradition to never have mutten on Christmas Eve now, lmao 🤣 😂
Totally could happen today given the right time and day..because recently we have a trainee stole a M4,hijacked and kidnap a school bus filled with kids
If I were to hazard a guess there probably wasn't that many drinking laws in the 1820's, and if there were they were relatively lightly enforced. Drinking laws probably started showing a lot during the temperance movement. Those laws sought two things, one to keep the earnings of the father tied to the family by encouraging that fathers should keep better watch of their money and two to keep alcohol out of he hands of innocent children. For children (people 21 and under) the sale of alcoholic beverages was barred, during the temperance movement, but there was a loophole that allowed alcohol to be put into medicine. Alcohol was barred from being the primary ingredient in medicinal products in the 1930s (I think).
I went through MCRD San Diego back in 2007, and... if MCRD wasn't dry as a bone (in terms of alcohol) and Recruits weren't /very obviously/ Recruits by how we dressed so we couldn't sneak off base without getting caught, then yeah. Absolutely. Something like this could definitely happen hypothetically xD (Minus the swords and gunfire, because that wouldn't really be possible with how training is conducted these days)
@MrTerry Could this still happen? F' Yeah. I was in FC "C" school in 2008, at Oceania Dam Neck, Virginia Beach VA - home to a special unit... takes little effort to figure out who. I saw students whose school was getting out for the entire day at lunch and they were bringing CASES of beer and the occassional bottle of liquor because "everyone believes they are a trained bartender", back to their rooms every SINGLE day. The first time I saw this it was on a Tuesday. I was going back to my room for a few minutes so I could change uniform attire because the schoolhouse was unusaully warm that day. This berthing I was residing in was also occupied by BUD/S dropouts and they were going out of their way to show off their "skills". Hanging off the side of a 2nd floor wall and doing chin-ups, sober. The only thing keeping the party from getting to the point of the Egg Nog Riot every night was the Master-at-Arms berthing down the sidewalk, the K-9 facility up the road and the Special Unit who also resided on this base was about 3/4 miles away. Whether they were on base or not because of deployment was clearly above our pay grade no one was willing to play "F around and Find Out". I swear on my Bible and my Bluejacket manual from RTC in Great Lakes, which I still have, that this is accurate. This was in 2008 and the MA berthing and "A" school has since moved to Texas.
In response to your dueling question: The state of Texas has a mutual combat law. Not quite the same as a pistol duel, but still a way to settle a dispute physically without going to jail. Lol You have to do it in the presence of a police officer that has agreed to oversee the fight and you can't use weapons.
How are they commanding these kids on what to do and they fall asleep? I think they are just at that point of drunk where as soon as you stop moving, your out. Unfortunately back in school me and a few of my buddies have gotten to that point. One night me and a really good friend where fighting at his parents house. His dad came out and yelled “hey, knock it the f*** out!” We stopped, looked at him, he sat on the couch, I sat on the floor, and his dad told us we were out cold in like 30 seconds.
8:49 about that, yes he did, but she died of tuberculosis, part of his “creepiness” was the fact that almost everyone he loved, died of tuberculosis, so yea, explanation for that
I went to a private military school In college. Actually the first college in the USA to ever have ROTC, Norwich University. So hearing cadets do this when I used to be one as a young man is just fucking wild lol
Yea, have dueling replace some of the civil court lawsuits. Like if some dude is suing another guy for 300 dollars for borrowing is blender and refused to return it or something.
concerning the duels: yes, i think i am ok if they would be legal. granted, it has to be insured that both parties are mentally healthy and know what they are getting into (and i mean completely. not just that you can die, but even if you win but get wounded, no insurence will give you a cent and be prepared to handle hosptial costs yourself etc.) but after that.. well, if you really want to do this, its your thing. i go even further and would say same thing goes for gladiatorial combat.
Yup sounds like MERICA! You appoint the guy to lead who ran the party lmao 🤣 i havent been that guy before at all….. lmao!!!! Bet those dudes didnt care to lead but saw the ppl he had to roll out of their puke and went…… GOD DAMN! FINE ILL DO IT!
I was told something like this, but not nearly to this extent happened on fort Campbell in the early 2010’s where people from two battalions were playing sports, got into a fight, the MP’s came and the infantry dudes just teamed up on them. Apparently got into a big fight and they used tear gas trying to disperse the dudes but they had their gas masks and just kept going. I never looked it up to see how true it was but considering 2nd bde was moved out by the airfield away from where they were, we had to sign out our masks everytime we used them while my buddy in 3rd had his 24/7, and I noticed multiple mp’s came to every call in that area whereas other parts of base I would only see that happen if like an mp saw a stop they’d turn their lights on and pull up too, I just assumed it was at least partially true lol
The thing with Poe is that this was when he was under an assumed name, before his marriage to his cousin, historically speaking it wasn't the south but the north eastern states who had more people from areas in Europe (which at this time is basically England and not continental Europe since the French and others looked down on it) originally okay with marrying one's cousin as an option (which is always ignored/forgotten over the popular modern created narrative of it was just the "dumb southerners"), it wasn't until the 1840s or so when the governor of Massachusetts wanted a study on idiots (the mentally disabled) which led to the result after a few decades of a study suggesting it can cause problems in offspring (which for completeness apparently some other studies showed different results) resulting in various states eventually working on banning first cousin marriage (apparently there's a thing called parallel first cousin marriage, tldr a man marries his cousin on his father's side and a woman on her mother's), of which the eugenics movement didn't take part in since they thought the legislation was too crudely made. It is quite the rabbit hole.
Dueling should be allowed but not to the death. Instead a "duel" should be in the form of an organized combat sport like boxing, wrestling, or mma. The duels should follow the actual rules but should be to ko or submission, no decisions, no round limit. To make it more exciting boxing and mma "duels" should be bare-knuckle. (Note this is a joke)
Could this happen today? As much as I would like to say no, that would be a lie. Maybe not something this over the top, but I can see something along this line happening.
I think dules should be legal but like lawsuits file it with the state they approve it the other person is served a place time and date are set if you can't get a pistol one will be provided for you
I think if two adults want to settle a dispute and want to dual it out then they should be able to, and if they tell everyone where at and the time so if people wanna show up to see then yeah, it should be legal because they both agreed upon it. Yknow, it’s consensual lol I also believe if you’re considered as an adult at 18, yknow have to pay taxes, joining the military and what not, then I think you should be able to buy whatever, like alcohol and stuff like an actual adult, to me you don’t actually become a “true” adult until 21 nowadays. Can’t buy cigs, alcohol, or handguns, etc. literally just a few years ago you could buy cigs and vapes at 18, now you can’t. I mean I’m 25 so I barely made it before they made that stupid law but cmon, seriously? If we can join at 18, we’ll 17 with parental consent, then I think it’ll be alright if they wanna have a smoke or something. Look I’m a patriot and I don’t like hard drugs but that stuff isn’t hard, well not cigarettes and vapes at least. This is why I don’t like federal government, they try to take over everything because they have too much power.
Us southerners never said we were smart we just simply say we don't give a fuck 💀🦅🇺🇸if they had the Confederate battle for an emoji id use it too but they dont .
The military has changed over the years from soldiers learning to sleep with their rifles to care for them like their lives depended on it to the military putting all weapons under lock and key and permitting the soldiers to touch them only when absolutely necessary let alone the restrictions on ammunition, which has to be accounted for even after it has been shot.
Since you asked... my opinion on if we should be allowed to duel. Absolutely, but not with guns, knives, or swords. I think that mutual combat to settle a dispute ought to be legal. Sometimes there are situations where diplomacy breaks down and violence becomes the only means of settling an argument. This is especially true if booze is involved. Yknow, in modern times there's this real lack of respect, most folks dont know what it's like to get punched in the face, i fully recommend it. By the time you're a grown man you ought to have been punched in the face at least once and have punched someone else in the face at least once. The kids that grow up without this experience end up mouthing off to the wrong person, have none of the skills to back their words, and get really hurt. Maybe if they knew if they could take/deliver a punch or not they'd be more respectful. My opinion's probably biased though. I'm a biker and former bouncer.
i say stick with the guns. at least that makes a duel kinda fair. fistfights are usually weighted towards whoever has the size and reach advantage. skilled fighters can overcome that sure, but we're talking about letting neighbors hash it out. not mma guys grappling over a belt.
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Should drinking eggnog outside of the holiday season be normalized?
Totally
No!
Drinking it during the holidays is disgusting enough
Yes!
Yes
Robert E Lee spoke in defense of several of the cadets who were expelled. He was a teachers pet who tried to use that to help them
There is a reason he was essentially "forgiven" after the war, he was apparently a genuinely nice guy.
If he was a teacher's pet, it was probably because of his father, Lighthorse Harry Lee who was a hero of the American Revolution.
@@llandrin9205 And he is the second highest ranked graduate at West Point in history!
@@robertsmith4681The reason general lee is looked up to because he played a vital role in healing this nation after the Civil War. Thats why we personally feel attacked when they take down his monument he played a huge role in this country after the civil war.
@@scottbivins4758southerners do, hes still a insurrectionist to us northerners
I can confirm that the West Point commissary liquor store is conveniently placed right next to the West Point grocery store and it is a hell of a lot cheaper than your normal liquor store
Never underestimate the dangerous stupidity of a drunk soldier ... especially one during the holidays 🥴
The main thing preserving civilization is that most young drunks are not also well-trained at fighting.
I love how some of the more prominent members of military history were involved in this.
3:20
There were essentially no liquor laws, of any kind prior to 1850's. And those were just dry laws. The first anti-minor drinking laws didn't come about until the 1900's
There was also an import tax, that made smuggling worth while
Say what? No anti-minor drinking laws until the 20th century?!
@SupersuMC the first on state level was in 1839 when Wisconsin banned the sale of wine or liquor to anyone under 18 without parental consent. The 1880s saw the temperance movement several addtion states fowwed suit. The first federal was post probation in 1933 which set it at 21.
@@SupersuMC Pretty much. I personally think anti-minor drinking laws are kinda silly, especially when the minimum age is well above the driving and voting age.
@@brigidtheirishThey only apply to direct sales in most jurisdictions, so you can drink under 21 with parental consent or for religious reasons.
When it comes to dueling, it used to be an Olympic sport ... Not even kidding, they used to shoot at each other with wax bullets.
That actually sounds awesome
We still use wax bullets since there non lethal but we use rubber bullets more.
The first US restriction on alcohol by age was in 1838 in Wisconsin. So in 1820, there wasn't any unless some town restricted it locally. And for a lot of the US that was how it was up until prohibition.
Thank you for sharing!
I live in Wisconsin and they have some of the loosest alcohol laws now. Did they simply not update since 1835?
@@lostpunk12 There was an immediate backlash and the initial, fairly restrictive law (it did more than set a minimum age) was softened when the backlash essentially lost the people who passed it their seats in the legislature. I would imagine that set a tone for a while whenever people considered passing more restrictions.
Immediately after prohibition, a lot of states and counties passed their own blue laws and dry ordinances to do what prohibition had done, but that also faced backlash and has been dismantled, particularly over the last 60 years. (It was still a hot button item in the 80s and 90s when I was young.)
The federal government also passed the 1984 National Minimum Drinking Age act which set a mandatory minimum of 21. That kind of set a floor for all state laws on alcohol, so the difference between states on alcohol laws is now kind of small. I think what has Wisconsin considered the "loosest" is not in consumption of alcohol but how young people are allowed to sell it, which honest seems kind of horrific to me. Not so much because of the alcohol handling but because it's encroaching on child labor.
About that "Big Money" bribe. I found the government pay book for a few years before this a couple days ago. A Private made $5.00 per month in (I think it was) 1823. 35 cents would be a hell of a Christmas present.
Growing up in New York state and being in the Boy Scouts, I and my troop made several visits to West Point for their football games and general West Point history. So many great memories. Really need to make my way back there again. It's only a few hours from where I now live.
Bringing back dueling would make this a much more polite society pretty much overnight. IMHO.
Bring back dueling, Absolutely.
I never personally saw anything to this extent, though I did here stories of it. But when I was active duty Air Force Security Forces I had the door banging thing happen to and I solved it exactly the same way Hitchock did, except I caught the guy, called the sergeant who had relieved me a few hours prior, and turned his drunk ass over. Don't mess with my sleep after a 15 hour shift.
I went to the Virginia Military Institute from 03-07 and yes this kind of stuff still happens...minus the getting ready for a battle. The thing is when you don't have the opportunity on a "dry" campus when you take the chance you go big (40k of booze for the freshmen in one night or alumni renting out a hotel and having bath tubs full of ice and booze in between two five mile parades big). Good times. :)
...those things in the parentheses actually happened, didn't they? XD
@@SupersuMC all I'm going to say is that it was difficult staying in step :)
The Benny Haven picture, looks like it was drawn after he was dug up a couple of months after burial 😂
Not exactly dueling but "mutual combat" is legal in a few places
I know Texas is one of the states that still allows it I'm not sure of other places
Riots due to alcohol and artillery is funny
Ah yes the American thing to do. 😂🇺🇸🦅💀
Absolutely on the dueling question.
If duels were legal with signing a waiver being a requirement to participate, I'd watch up close by being the guy who loads the guns. The bullets would always be from Hornady because those are the most accurate from what I've seen both at the shooting range and in the woods during deer season.
I think you have more faith in the duelers than I would! I imagine that the fairly high rates of spectator (and helpers) injuries was at least part of the reason for the ban. Although MarkWayne Mullin appears to be a fan of revoking the law against duels.
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@@Stephanie-we5ep They had round balls instead of bullets. The bore of the gun was too big for the ball, so it would bounce around in the barrel and go some random direction other than straight. This is what led to the "can't hit the side of a barn" phrase, and some people with modern guns have aim THAT bad. Modern duelling pistols would most likely be single shot .45 Colt firearms, but I can't be sure.
Merry Christmas to you and yours Mr. Terry. Peace and good will from your 'student' on Prince Edward Island in Canada.
You should do his video about the US marines started toys for tots
Absolutely
This could definitely happen in the modern military. There is a reason the song says. What do you do with a drunken sailor I was in the navy
A hilarious drunken Christmas miracle indeed.
To add to your riot list is the Stonewall Riot
Coming back to this video after watching it while watching your charity video to say the reason I watch you reactions his videos is because he focuses more on what the military is doing in an area and why they are there while you give the context of the politics and stuff that happened before what he is talking about that leads to his topic.
Honestly yeah they should still allow dueling. Funny thing though a few years back I seen something along the lines of wax dueling pistols but it requires a mat like vest and face shield. Its for fun mostly but why not have both. If its of little issue, wax pistols and one waiver so you don't get sued. If both parties agree that it's something that requires blood be drawn, two waivers and one shot per-person and both participants have to pay for their own ammo, its to act as a last second effort to get one or both party's to de-escalate. Heck just a good old fashion bare knuckle boxing match (3 rounds, 10mins each).
This sounds like my time at camp kinser Okinawa Japan. My motor pool and the supply marines always had animosity towards each other, we drunkenly fought and as soon as the mp's & pmo's came we stopped and joined together to fight them. The next morning we all got written up and/or arrested. Somethings never change for the military 😂😂😂
sake and soju
If one thinks that is a cool and epic party, one should look up the Field Day that Walt Disney had for his staff for the success of their film Snow White and the Seven Dwarves. The party was so epic and wild that the term 'Having a field day' came about from that event. The fun started when the workers haven't heard about their bonuses yet while having not been payed in a while, and Walt Disney mentioned that the three day weekend will include an open bar. Everyone presumed their bonus was in the open bar, so they went out of their way to enjoy their bonus to their heart's content.
Of the many hijinks, one that stands out is one person somehow getting a horse on the third floor and running it out of a window and into a fountain down below. Of the positive things to come out of this is the look of Mickey Mouse. When making the fliers, the person who made them was not one of the people that normally animates Mickey Mouse, which he drew with an iris and regular eyes instead of the classic original black dot look. The person that heads the department that animates Mickey Mouse casually asked if this is how he is drawn now. The other guy responds 'Maybe?'. They both chuckled and it just stuck since it happened to look good.
To the point of making a business suit potential clientele from a high school
At my old high school, a plot of land changed hands from one to another for years until finally settling on becoming a coffee café. And that business has been there for 10 years now.
In college we tried to get one of my professors to teach one class at a bar. Unfortunately we were thwarted by the lack of a piano. We did, however, succeed in joining the choir director at her place to finish off some wine that needed drinking.
Dualing should absolutely be brought back and legalized.
wild west style shootouts
There were no liquor laws back then, and the liquor was 10× stronger, too, and my uncles went to west point, and it's tradition to never have mutten on Christmas Eve now, lmao 🤣 😂
Definitely had to watch this one. Eggnog riot sounds fun. Merry Christmas
Totally could happen today given the right time and day..because recently we have a trainee stole a M4,hijacked and kidnap a school bus filled with kids
I think this event is why so many generals who survived the civil war were pardoned.
And they even strange part is when Poe was found dead after leaving a bar he was found in another man's clothes
We all have drunk barracks stories…
I do think concenting adults should be able to do legal duels
I dont think it would happen at a military base but its already happened at colleges
Yes
Dueling in some form should come back
lol. Mr. Terrys' impression of a drunk person sounded more like a Bill Cosby impression.
I feel like this would be a hilarious episode of Drunk History!
😂😂😂😂
Dude
Dueling IS still legal in certain parts of the country
Im pretty sure its legal in my state of Washington or my county of Whatcom
If I were to hazard a guess there probably wasn't that many drinking laws in the 1820's, and if there were they were relatively lightly enforced. Drinking laws probably started showing a lot during the temperance movement. Those laws sought two things, one to keep the earnings of the father tied to the family by encouraging that fathers should keep better watch of their money and two to keep alcohol out of he hands of innocent children. For children (people 21 and under) the sale of alcoholic beverages was barred, during the temperance movement, but there was a loophole that allowed alcohol to be put into medicine. Alcohol was barred from being the primary ingredient in medicinal products in the 1930s (I think).
I went through MCRD San Diego back in 2007, and... if MCRD wasn't dry as a bone (in terms of alcohol) and Recruits weren't /very obviously/ Recruits by how we dressed so we couldn't sneak off base without getting caught, then yeah. Absolutely. Something like this could definitely happen hypothetically xD (Minus the swords and gunfire, because that wouldn't really be possible with how training is conducted these days)
You're absolutely right Jacksons Whitehouse parties are the stuff of ledgends
@MrTerry Could this still happen? F' Yeah. I was in FC "C" school in 2008, at Oceania Dam Neck, Virginia Beach VA - home to a special unit... takes little effort to figure out who. I saw students whose school was getting out for the entire day at lunch and they were bringing CASES of beer and the occassional bottle of liquor because "everyone believes they are a trained bartender", back to their rooms every SINGLE day. The first time I saw this it was on a Tuesday. I was going back to my room for a few minutes so I could change uniform attire because the schoolhouse was unusaully warm that day. This berthing I was residing in was also occupied by BUD/S dropouts and they were going out of their way to show off their "skills". Hanging off the side of a 2nd floor wall and doing chin-ups, sober. The only thing keeping the party from getting to the point of the Egg Nog Riot every night was the Master-at-Arms berthing down the sidewalk, the K-9 facility up the road and the Special Unit who also resided on this base was about 3/4 miles away. Whether they were on base or not because of deployment was clearly above our pay grade no one was willing to play "F around and Find Out". I swear on my Bible and my Bluejacket manual from RTC in Great Lakes, which I still have, that this is accurate. This was in 2008 and the MA berthing and "A" school has since moved to Texas.
In response to your dueling question: The state of Texas has a mutual combat law. Not quite the same as a pistol duel, but still a way to settle a dispute physically without going to jail. Lol You have to do it in the presence of a police officer that has agreed to oversee the fight and you can't use weapons.
How are they commanding these kids on what to do and they fall asleep? I think they are just at that point of drunk where as soon as you stop moving, your out. Unfortunately back in school me and a few of my buddies have gotten to that point. One night me and a really good friend where fighting at his parents house. His dad came out and yelled “hey, knock it the f*** out!” We stopped, looked at him, he sat on the couch, I sat on the floor, and his dad told us we were out cold in like 30 seconds.
8:49 about that, yes he did, but she died of tuberculosis, part of his “creepiness” was the fact that almost everyone he loved, died of tuberculosis, so yea, explanation for that
I went to a private military school
In college. Actually the first college in the USA to ever have ROTC, Norwich University. So hearing cadets do this when I used to be one as a young man is just fucking wild lol
Love this channel! In case you haven't done so have you ever considered reacting to "Drunk History"?
Yea, have dueling replace some of the civil court lawsuits. Like if some dude is suing another guy for 300 dollars for borrowing is blender and refused to return it or something.
concerning the duels: yes, i think i am ok if they would be legal. granted, it has to be insured that both parties are mentally healthy and know what they are getting into (and i mean completely. not just that you can die, but even if you win but get wounded, no insurence will give you a cent and be prepared to handle hosptial costs yourself etc.)
but after that.. well, if you really want to do this, its your thing.
i go even further and would say same thing goes for gladiatorial combat.
2:05 In a way, i kind of do want dueling back. I personally wouldn't do it, but I think a lot of people would stop their BS.
Yup sounds like MERICA! You appoint the guy to lead who ran the party lmao 🤣 i havent been that guy before at all….. lmao!!!! Bet those dudes didnt care to lead but saw the ppl he had to roll out of their puke and went…… GOD DAMN! FINE ILL DO IT!
BRING BACK DUELING! The challenged selects the weapon. The duel is set for the sunrise two days following
Ding dong ditching is still a thing in my neighborhood.
Mutual combat laws still exist in some states.
Yes, 16 and up, and you should be allowed to duel
3:54 Is that Jeremy Clarkson?
We can have nonlethal duels. Using chalk rounds and face protection.
I was told something like this, but not nearly to this extent happened on fort Campbell in the early 2010’s where people from two battalions were playing sports, got into a fight, the MP’s came and the infantry dudes just teamed up on them. Apparently got into a big fight and they used tear gas trying to disperse the dudes but they had their gas masks and just kept going. I never looked it up to see how true it was but considering 2nd bde was moved out by the airfield away from where they were, we had to sign out our masks everytime we used them while my buddy in 3rd had his 24/7, and I noticed multiple mp’s came to every call in that area whereas other parts of base I would only see that happen if like an mp saw a stop they’d turn their lights on and pull up too, I just assumed it was at least partially true lol
Would I watch a duel as long as I'm not the one getting shot and I don't have to go to court for it sure I'll check it out
Yes... I think Dueling should be viewed as an approved provision of the Arbitration Act.
The thing with Poe is that this was when he was under an assumed name, before his marriage to his cousin, historically speaking it wasn't the south but the north eastern states who had more people from areas in Europe (which at this time is basically England and not continental Europe since the French and others looked down on it) originally okay with marrying one's cousin as an option (which is always ignored/forgotten over the popular modern created narrative of it was just the "dumb southerners"), it wasn't until the 1840s or so when the governor of Massachusetts wanted a study on idiots (the mentally disabled) which led to the result after a few decades of a study suggesting it can cause problems in offspring (which for completeness apparently some other studies showed different results) resulting in various states eventually working on banning first cousin marriage (apparently there's a thing called parallel first cousin marriage, tldr a man marries his cousin on his father's side and a woman on her mother's), of which the eugenics movement didn't take part in since they thought the legislation was too crudely made. It is quite the rabbit hole.
Is it me or does that picture of Benny Havens look like Sylvester Stallone?
What people don’t understand is that this was when West Point was brand new.
Bring back dueling, but with a twist. Make ‘em play Yu-gi-oh! Hell, that’s technically already legal.
Yugioh dueling is like having to assemble your own gun on the spot before you can use it, while also preventing the other guy from doing the same
Dueling should be allowed but not to the death. Instead a "duel" should be in the form of an organized combat sport like boxing, wrestling, or mma. The duels should follow the actual rules but should be to ko or submission, no decisions, no round limit. To make it more exciting boxing and mma "duels" should be bare-knuckle.
(Note this is a joke)
Joke though it may be, I’ve heard worse ideas.
I think duels should be legal. Two consenting adults, following rules to prevent injury to bystanders. Like a boxing match but cooler
Dueling= pro ✅
Mutual hand to hand combat= pro ✅
Could this happen today? As much as I would like to say no, that would be a lie. Maybe not something this over the top, but I can see something along this line happening.
Swords yes, pistols no.
Mutual combat is legal in some states. (Dueling, essentially)
Duelling...should be legal, so long as there is good video evidence of agreement immediately before the duel. "Mutual combat".
Dueling should be a thing, but no guns
Bring dueling back, but with swords/boxing! Gunfire tends to hurt bystanders. Duels absolutely should be legal. It might help bring manners back!
You should watch his video on Joe medicine crow. The last war chief. I think you could definitely make some commentary and background info on it.
2:25 yes but the US doesn't have an honor culture anymore.
Duelling at high noon again nice😂
Absolutely dueling should be legal but first lets make a fist fight not an assault charge
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Dueling, yes please!!!
Dueling would 100% be legal but instead of pistols, swords because anyone can shoot a gun not everyone can use a sword effectively
Extra History also does a fnu video of this incident
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Let me put it this way. Yes, lol 24:16
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I think dules should be legal but like lawsuits file it with the state they approve it the other person is served a place time and date are set if you can't get a pistol one will be provided for you
Bring back dueling
I think if two adults want to settle a dispute and want to dual it out then they should be able to, and if they tell everyone where at and the time so if people wanna show up to see then yeah, it should be legal because they both agreed upon it. Yknow, it’s consensual lol I also believe if you’re considered as an adult at 18, yknow have to pay taxes, joining the military and what not, then I think you should be able to buy whatever, like alcohol and stuff like an actual adult, to me you don’t actually become a “true” adult until 21 nowadays. Can’t buy cigs, alcohol, or handguns, etc. literally just a few years ago you could buy cigs and vapes at 18, now you can’t. I mean I’m 25 so I barely made it before they made that stupid law but cmon, seriously? If we can join at 18, we’ll 17 with parental consent, then I think it’ll be alright if they wanna have a smoke or something. Look I’m a patriot and I don’t like hard drugs but that stuff isn’t hard, well not cigarettes and vapes at least. This is why I don’t like federal government, they try to take over everything because they have too much power.
Us southerners never said we were smart we just simply say we don't give a fuck 💀🦅🇺🇸if they had the Confederate battle for an emoji id use it too but they dont .
"Don't give a fuck" but still salty over getting their traitor asses kicked for 4 years straight a century and a half ago
Bring dueling back.
The military has changed over the years from soldiers learning to sleep with their rifles to care for them like their lives depended on it to the military putting all weapons under lock and key and permitting the soldiers to touch them only when absolutely necessary let alone the restrictions on ammunition, which has to be accounted for even after it has been shot.
Since you asked... my opinion on if we should be allowed to duel. Absolutely, but not with guns, knives, or swords. I think that mutual combat to settle a dispute ought to be legal. Sometimes there are situations where diplomacy breaks down and violence becomes the only means of settling an argument. This is especially true if booze is involved. Yknow, in modern times there's this real lack of respect, most folks dont know what it's like to get punched in the face, i fully recommend it. By the time you're a grown man you ought to have been punched in the face at least once and have punched someone else in the face at least once. The kids that grow up without this experience end up mouthing off to the wrong person, have none of the skills to back their words, and get really hurt. Maybe if they knew if they could take/deliver a punch or not they'd be more respectful. My opinion's probably biased though. I'm a biker and former bouncer.
i say stick with the guns. at least that makes a duel kinda fair. fistfights are usually weighted towards whoever has the size and reach advantage. skilled fighters can overcome that sure, but we're talking about letting neighbors hash it out. not mma guys grappling over a belt.