America Dismantles Pirate Nations - The Barbary Wars | The Fat Electrician | History Teacher Reacts
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- The Barbary Wars are a forgotten conflict in American history between the American Revolution and the War of 1812. Did you know the United States fought a war AGAINST pirates! A whole bunch of "firsts" for the American military occurred in this conflict, setting precedent for the future of American military engagements. Also, the Treaty of Tripoli came out of this conflict, which has been used to justify that the US government is NOT founded on the Christian religion. What does that have to do with the Barbary Wars? Find out with The Fat Electrician and Mr. Terry!
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Should the Barbary Wars be talked about more in American History classes? If so, what other topics should it take time away from to cover it?
Yes!
Absolutely most people I've discussed this with don't even know about this.
Yes, it's so important it is part of the MC hymn.
It was covered for me arounhd the time of the war of 1812, as america established its independence
Yes, and we could easily cut out most Ww2 to a day since schools have watered it down to that anyways.
You're absolutely right about Washington, I feel. At the time, he was a huge celebrity. It's real hard to not overstate that he's the most popular man in America. And that if he had the desire to, he could have established a dynasty, or at the very least, a life-long appointment. But, he didn't. He recognized the need for new leadership. He was also tired as hell, and all he wanted to do later on in his life, is retire home to Mount Vernon, grow tobacco, and make moonshine.
As an American myself, that sounds about right.
He's not called the American Cincinnatus for nothing
Props to GW
Absolutely nailed it there! He was far from perfect but was sure smart enough to see how it would play out.
👏 👍
I recall hearing that he didn't even want to be president in the first place. He was kinda shoved into the role because everyone thought he was so awesome.
I love how this entire story is basically the US Navy and Marine's playbook.
That’s definitely what I came away with
What I got out of this is the world made America what it is and if people stopped picking fights with them they might calm down.
@@fist-of-doom487the problem with that idea is that when America has nobody to fight we just start fighting each other. Look at the Great American Scrimmage, AKA the Civil War.
@@tdubbs8 to be fair that was a conflict waiting to happen. Even Thomas Jefferson wanted to abolish it but he didn’t want to splinter America immediately after it was founded so kicked that can down the road.
No sir. That's a political playbook. Us grunts are just pawns.
I do think that the Barbary Wars should be taught in American History, because Morocco was the first nation to truly recognize the US, and it proved that we were willing and capable of protecting our people and interests. I think that is important. It's also the beginning of the lore of The Enterprise. A name that was rather important during WW2 in the Pacific Theatre.
Technically they were the second, they were just the first to do so like... diplomatically. The Dutch did it first by responding to a one naval cannon salute from an American vessel by firing 11 of their own, acknowledging that the Vessel that had fired the salute was flying a legitimate nation's flag.
@@selonianthI never knew that about them. Time to look more into that story.
Miguel de Cervantes, author of Don Quixote, was captured by Barbary pirates in 1575. He was a captive for five years until the Order of the Most Holy Trinity and of the Captives (Trinitarians) were able to help his family raise a ransom to buy him back. Ransom was definitely a huge part of the Barbary pirate business.
The Fat Electrician has a video about the O'Bannon.
He was not referring to the C.I.A., he was referencing the Special Forces, a.k.a. The Green Berets. It is their mission to train and "advise" local rebel forces to fight official military forces and destabilize the target nation's government.
Rangers (Tan Berets) are more direct combat, Delta Force (Black Berets) are hostage rescue/anti-terrorist, other groups like SEALS, Force Recon, Pathfinders, LRRP, etc. have their own particular niche speciality.
I think a few videos of a compilation of the chubby electron guys shorter videos would be a good thing for someone to react to
Yup, I was about to say something similar! A lot of people don't understand that's the exact primary mission of the Green Berets.
@@JonNo86 Fortunately, we have the opportunity to enlighten them. 😎
Paul, the only thing you have out of place is the black berets, all regular army soldiers get the black beret. An army 4 star, whom shall not be named, made the Rangers give up the black beret and move to Tan. Most Delta operators wear the green beret. As most are Special Forces.
@@nicholasreddin491 Well, some beret shenanigans are to be expected. 🙂
After my time, the Army gave a beret to everyone as a standard part of the uniform. Thus, in my opinion, diminishing the value/status of the beret.
Literally, until fat electrician’s video, I had NEVER heard of the Barbary Wars. It absolutely needs to be taught more in schools.
Also as far as the American destroyer sinking an enemy sub with potatoes, Fat Electrician has a video on it, it’s why he mentioned it.
The only time i hear about it is when looking up US military history, it is listed as a conflict. I have done my own research on it from those lists, but nothing serious.
There needs to be a modern movie made about Stephen Decatur. Holy hell... that dude was insane.
I was in the Marines so… yeah, we all get taught about every war the Marines were involved in especially. War history is important for warriors.
Seconding learning about it in boot camp
About the only time I can remember anything about the Barbary Wars being mentioned in school was when we were being introduced to the various military hymns in grade school. I was curious and asked what the Marine hymn meant by the "halls of Montezuma and the shores of Tripoli" and the teacher knew enough to give the broad strokes. That was the only real thing I learned until I started my global history degree some 40+ years later. I do think the influence of the Barbary pirates does deserve a bit more mention in history classes than it received back when I was in school. As this video illustrates, our interactions with those pirates led to many American firsts. I also think it deserves mention that between 1790 and 1795 over 100 Americans were captured and enslaved by the pirates. I also find it kind of ironic that what was pretty much America's first overseas operation as a sovereign nation was essentially a reaction to Americans being held in bondage as slaves.
The Barbary Wars got a mention in my education, but basically as a footnote to the section of the curriculum about the Jefferson Administration.
And ofc, the reference in the Marines’ Hymn was always a neat reminder.
The part about VP being the runner up feels like pure genius to me, especially in times like these. I think the same thing goes in single party states that always vote one way, without strong competition there isn't a chance to separate the wheat from the chaff so you wind up with career politicians and unrepresented people. I think having a VP who test the thinking of the executive branch is not only a good thing for the executive but for the nation to know that the two largests ideologies in the nation are having a say in how the country is managed and I think that helps breed more trust in the system as a whole 🤷♂️
I believe this should be taught in school. The number of firsts alone is reason enough. Then there is the influence this had on American policies that are still used today, as well as the US Navy and Marines. On top of that, it is the most beautiful example of the American spirit, and what has made us so different since the very beginning; and that is something that we have sorely been missing or at least losing sight of in recent decades.
The Mamaluke is an officer's sword. The NCO's still use cavalry sabers (which the officers switched to for actual combat in the Civil War, temporarily).
24:28 As an old Marine, we were given lessons on Marine history in boot camp... the story of Presley O'Bannon and the Mamaluke Sword was included in those lessons.
Not gonna lie, been a big fan Mr Terry and it still shocked me to see you wearing a fat Electrician shirt and I'm all for it 😂
He hooked me up in thanks for covering his content. I’m flattered!
@@MrTerry he's the only channel you have to watch the entire video. You missed the ad , his wife busting his balls, and the end part 2 for the video, Bloopers and old historical video too.
I remember it being touched upon in high school, but I learned more about it by researching U.S. Marine history when I was intrigued by the line "From the halls of Montezuma to the shores of Tripoli" in the Marine Hymn. Edited to add that Stephen Decatur is also accredited with originating the phrase "My country right or wrong" from a toast he made with a phrase about My country may she be ever right in her intercourse with other nations, but if it be not so, my country right or wrong.
Like simply for listing the link to the OG video and buying some merch it shows how much you appreciate the content someone else made before you then add onto it. Great job my dude.
Respectfully, at 21:21 I’m pretty sure at this point Fat Electrician is referring to the US Army Special Forces, as that’s their mission. He did a pretty good short video on them.
Green Beret specifically
Not only them, but I assume the CIA has their own special units that we don't even hear about. They're too big and powerful not to.
So happy to see you react to more Fat Electrician! Keep up the great work!
I remember talking about pirates in history class but not much else. Usually, it was folded into the war of 1812, but not much time was devoted to it. Honestly, you could roll back a smidgen of time spent talking about the revolution to talk more about stuff like this. It's always a long unit in several years of school. We can roll it back a smidgen. The revolution is important but not a month long unit every year important. By the time I graduated, that shit was so far engraved in my skull that the only reason you failed the revolution or civil war units it was because you were trying to fail
I agree with your ideas
I remember hearing about the Barbari pirates and how the USA navy was founded.
It depends on who you ask because Navy claims 1775 when the continental navy existed but they were disbanded after the Revolution... Then you have the permanent US Navy in 1794 with Georgie.... However, the Barbary wars is more famous for something else....Those damn Marine departing to the Shores of Tripoli
@MrTerry I knew about this, because I wrote my college term paper on this subject. It's woefully underrepresented and I didn't actually know anything about it going into the paper.
The professor didn't think I'd find enough sources and tried to dissuade me
Turns out she learned about it through my paper, and that a Master Thesis and a PhD Dissertation both count as primary scholarly sources lol (I can link those somewhere if you're interested in a really deep dive on the subject)
So I have some additions for the video in case anyone is interested in stuff that was left out, for the first Barbary War at least
#1: The U.S.A wasn't the first nation to stand up to the Barbary States. That was Portugal, which blockaded the Strait of Gibraltar until the British convinced them to sign a 12 month treaty with the Barbary States in 1793.
#2: in 1801, the _U.S.S. George Washington_ was sent with the tribute for Algiers, hoping that the show of a warship would intimidate the Dey. Instead, the Captain, William Bainbridge, was forced to take Algiers own tribute (to the Sultan) to the main port in Constantinople, and the American ship was forced to fly the Algerian flag for the extended voyage. The _George Washington_ successfully made the trip and delivered the payment, but the situation temporarily damaged the public image of the U.S. around the world.
#3: The American squadron was too small to effectively blockade the Tripolitan port alone, and was only successful due to a European ally - Sweden. The Swedes had approached the U.S. with a potential alliance against the Barbary States in 1800, but President Adams had rejected the idea. When the Swedes arrived to help, Eaton didn't like the idea, thinking that America should stand against the Barbary States alone. The commander of the U.S. fleet, Commodore Dale, had no issues whatsoever with receiving outside help, and gladly forged an alliance with the Swedish Admiral Baron Cederstorm (what a freaking awesome name for an Admiral). The Swedish navy (superior to the U.S. navy at this point in time) greatly bolstered the strength of the American blockade and the combined force practically cut Tripoli off from trade from the sea for the next four years. If the Barbary Wars don't get coverage, the fact that the only European power willing to help the U.S. in the first war was Sweden is possibly even more overlooked.
The Barbary war SHOULD definitely be taught just based on all of the 1sts! Like you said, so many 1sts. Too many not to be taught
As the reason the US Navy was founded and the period the USMC gained much of its fame and rituals, I think the Barbery Wars absolutely deserve some talking about, especially with how it intertwines with events leading up to the War of 1812 and US foreign policy. Cut a day from the Industrial Revolution to talk about this integral part of our history.
I was taught about the babary wars in Naval History classes in NJROTC. Dont think it was part of the normal education but my class was taught by a retired Col. Maj. Frank Zink US Marines who took pride teaching about the affects it had on the marines and navy as a whole. Hope he's doing well today 🥰
in my history classes we were taught that they basically wanted washington to be president for life but he thought that would be too much like setting up our own feudal system and having a king
I learned about in the 5th grade in the 1960's when I lived on a military base. I had the best history teacher ever. We learned so much more about history than most people learn today. Especially during the times when our country was just starting out to establish itself. We even being a Army military base school learned the Marine song he mentioned. I wish we had more teachers who teach true American history. Not the altered version to be politically correct and not hurt anyone's feelings. It's sad our teachers hands are either tied and can't teach the truth anymore. Or the ones who choose to change/omit history to suit their politics.
The reason I watch your channel is you remind me of that one teacher I had as a kid who taught the facts of history. 😊
George Washington giving up power is my favorite thing about him. Fat electrician has a video about the O’bannon. The special forces group he was talking about was the Green Berets
Destroyer who sank a sub with potatoes.
An earlier Fat Electrician video.
One of my American History teachers in middle school did an American Heroes Friday, where we would start out the class every Friday learning about heroic stories from American history, and I do remember one of the guys from the Barbary Wars was in there.
My Grandfather was a Medal of Honor recipient Marine Corps Colonel during WWII. My father was a Marine Col, all of my Uncles were Marines at some point in their lives, my brother was a Marine Col. Honest to God, this story and many like it were bedtime stories growing up.
Having taken history classes in high school in the early 70's, I remember that there was only a mention of the Barbary pirates. It should be remembered that at that time the Vietnam War was going on and talking about military was really being looked down upon by some. As you stated most of the larger nations had navies to protect their trade routes. So this time in history was very important to the establishment of the USA's will to protect its trade routes around the world. This is due to the fact that we were trading with countries across oceans not next door as the europeans did.
Both my parents were WWII veterans, but they bought the Time-Life illustrated history of the United States, which did cover the Barbary Pirates. Mom had been a Marine.
Wow! Oorah Mom!
Thankyous to them both. ❤❤
The first special operations was Washington crossong the Delaware.
You could call it just a surprise attack because it was technically done with an entire army but that operation had all the hallmarks of a special operation
I've found and watched the Fat Electrician's first. I watch this video anyway because FE is such a good storyteller (probably one of my most engaging "teachers" as a university grad) and also because I also appreciate Mr. Terry's aditional tid bits.
I knew about the general story, but learned more because I became interested in the marine corps. He gives a lot of deep dives into the details. Love the chubby electrician.
It's interesting when talking about payment to Barbary Pirates as being 'tribute' to prevent them from attacking ships, and currently payments to Iran to dissuade them from pursuing their nuclear program, and to release Americans being held, seems to be very similar. Would that be considered paying 'tribute' too? Excellent video keep up the great work, and The Fat Electrician too.
It is weird, countries went from paying tribute to countries more powerful to now paying foreign aid to keep countries on our side and/or prevent them from doing something stupid like build nuclear weapons
@@kalebjohns7715 Kinda the Inverse of Take away their nice things and they can't fight, give them nice things, so they have no desire to fight.
@@tylerbarse2866 yeah, but neither works
@@kalebjohns7715 It does work, you just focus on when it doesn't.
A country receiving aid is more stable, and friendly. No armed instability that's going to affect American interests.
Also going to point out that cutting off supply lines, or denying nice things like food and bullets is actually how war is fought.
Also going to point out that we went from 2 World Wars in 30 years to No global conflict in almost 80.
I didn’t pay enough attention to history in school so I’m catching up now. Appreciate you and fat electrician for sharing. God bless!
In addition to those hi-vis red coats, the typical Brit infantryman was also sporting a cartridge box and pouch suspended from nice white bandoleers that crossed right in the middle of the body. 'X' marks the spots. The metal gorgets worn by officers were tougher, but not impossible for riflemen.
Yes the Barbary wars should be talked about in history. Not only is the content engaging, but it also goes to show how vague the constitution can be and how flexible even its founders were with its rules.
TheFatElectrician has, of course, done a video on the USS O'Bannon and its potato-slinging shenanigans. I recommend checking it and some of his earlier videos out, as they tended to be more shortform - but still highly enjoyable.
We could probably take a few days off of the world wars to slip in the pirates.
We really don’t even need that much time on it. One full class should cover it. That’s not even happening now.
When teaching about WW2, do you teach about Japan's atrocities during WW2? (Unit 731, R*pe of Nanking/Nanjing, etc.) It seems as though many people aren't even aware of these atrocities being committed. Even though Unit 731 was a horrible thing, it was also fundamental for our medical knowledge of the human body and the human condition. So many things were tested there like how pressure, frost bite, bacteria/germs, shrapnel/bombs and other things affect living humans.
The US Government also traded immunity to those responsible for the research data, while also covering up the Units as much as possible until around the 80's. @@MrTerry
@@MrTerry Plan it in the curriculum for lessons each year for the Marine Corps Birthday. Barbary pirates, Spanish-American War, Mexican War, The Small Wars, The Boxer Rebellion, Belleau Woods, Wake Island, Guadalcanal, Iwo Jima, Windtalkers, etc. There are more than enough subjects for variety.
Have a guest speaker in the classroom share a Marine Corps birthday cake tradition demonstration, followed by the kickoff of gathering presents for Toys for Tots. (Toys For Tots was started by the U.S. marine Corps reserves.) The following day to the Corps Birthday is Veterans' Day (and Dan Daly's birthday).
I knew about the Barbery Pirates and the Barbery War since Freshman in my high school because I was in Marine ROTC. I learned more about world history and wars in my Marine ROTC then in my normal history class lol
Something that always shocks me is the fact that piracy is still a thing. It sort of makes sense but also still seems like something that was from movies/fairytales.
There's a museum near where I live (Maritime Museum of the Atlantic) that tracks pirate attacks and there's still a lot all throughout the world each year.
Well, when you have large scale industrial fishing fleets deplete the fish in areas frequented normally by fishermen from less developed countries because these lack the means to enforce their EEZ, there's no surprise when said now ex-fishermen find some other means to make a buck or two....
@@ohausssomalian pirate
The Barbary pirates are a major part of the game Empire: Total War. I also learned about them in AP History and elsewhere, though I had never known this much detail.
ahh Empire: Total War... made at a time when CA was actually competent and great at developing Total War games.
lol I wouldn't say they were a major part, just one of the minor factions.
@@hengineer Depends on the campaign and how things play out, I suppose.
Also, we really need a new Empire: Total War game. I'm ready to get stuck back into the revolutionary war running with modern standards.
I saw a documentary on the Marine Corps, and they covered the Barbary war. They didn't cover the entire war, just what the marines did and how it was added to the marine corps' official song.
I have this image in my head of an anthropomorphized Japan, Iran, Iraq, and Germany collectively bitching about the tannings they were handed by the US Navy then someone else butts in with "Hey, guys, what are we talking about?" and they all just stare at the representative of The Barbary Nations for an uncomfortably long moment before Germany blurts out "You. We are talking about you and how it is _ALL_ your fault that we can't have nice things."
This is one of my favorite Fat electrician videos because it gives so much history that i did not learn about in High School or college.
I heard about this because my school bus would drive by O’Bannon’s house in Russellville KY. My marine corps dad helped too
Its funny how I as a Canadian know more about these events than most Americans
We learned about this in school. Like grade 8 through 10 we studied the revolutionary war, the events afterwards and how the Barbary wars influenced American war philosophy ever since.
This is why I like his videos. It's never a war crime the first time. For some reason I just imagined a bunch of Marines coming home with a sword and dueling pistols they inherited lol
You could probably use the the Barbary Wars as part of contemporary middle east political studies. Jefferson read the Quran so as to understand the religious mindset of the people he was dealing with. Jefferson and Adams spoke to the Ambassador of Tripoli is 1786. The Ambassador explained that the prophet required all nations to acknowledge their authority and allowed for slavery. The same comment that had been made about the interaction of the Greek mercenaries and the Muslims could be said about treatment of Christians in Egypt, Pakistan, etc. We see how many of the same issues play out in todays politics.
The Barbary Pirates were not really addressed in school, but as a child I came across a book that had been discarded titled "Old Ironsides" about the USS Constitution which had an extensive section on the Barbary Wars, so I was well versed on the subject as a kid and fell in love with the Age of Sail and dreamed of growing up and joining the Navy... which I did.
I just discovered The Fat Electrician a couple days ago (through reaction channels like yours) and have been loving his content. I really like your reactions more than most because you don't just let it play, you have added value content and backstory of your own. He doesn't even mention the ramifications of the Treaty of Tripoli and the separation of church and state which is *so* vital to the American way of life! That is because his channel (rightfully so) focuses on bad-assery and ass whooping.
Stephen Decatur: "I'm here to make you pay us a bunch of money and agree to never attack an American ship ever again."
Barbary States: "You and what army?"
Stephen Decatur: *points to the 100 massive warships in the port* "That one."
Barbary States: "Fair enough, where do we sign?"
If I were to make any suggestion on how to change how things are taught in general, I'd say say start with things like these interesting micro-stories and give them a reason to want to learn more. When I was in second grade, I was lucky and had a teacher and someone in my life that allowed me to explore math to my hearts content. I finished second grade learning basic algebra bc I had someone showing me how that is commonly used in real life. And its ridiculous the number of adults I've met which can solve fairly complex algebra equations in their head and yet were shit at it in school. And it all comes back to the fact that we are told things in a typically uninteresting way and whether we pass or fail is determined by how accurately we can regurgitate seemingly useless information. I did quite well, but where I went to HS has one of the lowest rates of graduation in the country. Yet a lot of the people who struggled in school ended up being pretty successful bc you could actually pick up trades like welding, carpentry, mechanics, construction and a few others while attending our school. They, again, did well applying the same math they were struggling at when they knew how it was applied in life.
A big part of the reason we have so many people graduating college with useless degrees is bc we spend our entire childhoods being told we have to go to college and except in rare cases we aren't shown how the subjects are interesting or how to practically apply them. The majority of kids are going into college w/o a clear path before them. They used to actively tell us it was stupid not to go straight to college bc so many go w/o having an intended major or change major later on. They should've been telling kids to try going out in life and finding something they enjoy and when the day comes, if it will further your career, you can find an employer who will pay for you to go to college if your current one doesn't. Our society does nothing but prey on people when they are at their least capable points in regards to their ability to make major decisions. The elderly, where billions of dollars are scammed from them every year and young adults who are encouraged to take on more debt than they might ever be able to reasonably pay off.
I think you’re going to like the first video essay I’m working on right now. Look out for it.
This was another slice of American History that I really only learned about through the Marine Corps, for... obvious reasons. It literally comes up in the first phrase of the Marine Corps Hymn, it is the origin of one of our oldest nicknames, and one of the most iconic pieces of ceremonial equipment was earned in this war, the Mameluke Sword issued to all Officers; for which Lt. Presley O'banon's name is forever preserved in Marine tradition.
You know given how often the presidents have used loopholes to get around congressional approval to deploy the military you’d think they’d just remove that rule since it’s never really stopped them anyway.
Then they'd do it more often. Loopholes make it difficult enough that they have to *really* want the thing.
"Should the Barbary Wars be talked about more?" Absolutely. It should be mandatory high school history (if cancel culture doesn't completely rewrite American history). It is the story of the rise of a relatively small colonial nation into prominence in international politics and prominence.
I started my military career in the Marine Corps. The Mameluke pattern sword was and is the officer’s sword. Enlisted NCOs carry a different sword, patterned after a US Army infantry sword of the mid 1800’s. The Mameluke sword is only carried by officers and, as such, is not issued. Like most of the rest of our uniform items, we had to purchase it. And neither the officer’s sword nor the NCO sword are considered “ceremonial.” Unlike actual ceremonial uniform swords, they are made of battle-ready materials and come with disassembly-and-cleaning kits. The intent (if not the reality) is that they actually could serve as weapons.
that ad at the beginning is always worth watching, i'm actually disappointed that you didn't play it. at least you plugged his merch and showed his code... but damn... seeing your reaction to that ad would have been incredible
FYI, the who special forces organized to coordinate with rebel geoups to overthrow governments comment is pointed towards the US Army Green Berets.
"We achieved peace through our cannons." That quote seems a bit incomplete to me.
"Thanks to the wisdom of our enemy, we didn't need to fire them" seems like the perfect add-on.
I remember being taught about the Barbary Wars, probably before you were born. Just shows how much education has changed over the year.
Oh Mr. Terry I am sincerely jealous of your students. It would have been a game changer to have a teacher as entertaining and passionate as you. I am currentpy 44 but still recall my highschool history class. I took the same class freshman through junior year as I literally used it as my afternoon nap. My teacher was a very nice man, no doubt, but he had a monotone Ben Stein voice and just read from the book...it was basically a lullaby. Now fast forward to my late 20's and I caught the history bug, to this day I pretty much only watch historical documentaries and movies. Thank you for keeping historical facts entertaining and (on occasion) commical. Your students are very fortunate to have such a gifted instructor even if they don't realize it at their age. Keep up the great work sir, you are appreciated!
It's crazy how ahead of the time these war tactics where
For real
Well... there was the whole "Washington crossing the Delaware" dealio... a middle of the night water op, on Christmas, to eleminate some Hessian Mercs. That was a truely special operation.
"to the shores of Tripoli..." in the Marine Corps hymn
This was well covered in school for me. However, I was in the USMC JROTC program in Highschool, and I can say I learned dramatically more about U.S. History in that class than I did in actual History class... No offense to my History Teachers, their hands were tied by state mandated curriculum for the most part, and the little time they had to veer off into other areas was limited. Plus ROTC let me repel off buildings, lol.
You're highly motivated to learn when grades contribute to your cadet rank which unlocks privileges like getting to be the first to jump off a 4 story building or rock face. You don't want to be the last to jump, then you look like a puss, lol. Great class, great instructors.
Shout out to Lt. Cornel Lister and Ft. Sgt Rameriez from CHS - First week of class in 1996 they taught us a memory trick to remember lists, with a random grocery list as an example. Here we are just shy of 28 years later, your list was:
Toothpicks, Toilet Paper, Cereal, Milk, Water, Eggs, Ice Cream
I never had to write it down or recite it in my head to memorize. Haven't really thought about that specific list since that day in class. As an analyst, that trick has served me well. A lot of teachers recite facts, but few will actually teach you HOW to learn. It makes a real difference. Incidentally, 8 teachers per semester, 8 semesters in high school, I can only remember the names of about 6 of those teachers, but these guys made the cut.
I'm sure they've retired by now, but I hope they're doing well.
There were so many firsts because we didn't become a country and then sit around knitting. We had to defend ourselves, and a good offense is the best defense.
My grandfather was a Navy vet and was a history professor for 30+ years so i definitely heard alot about it growing up. It was one of his absolute favorite things to talk about.
Something that could compare with Decatur's attack on the USS Philadelphia (Special Forces-esque), would be John Paul Jones's attack on his hometown in Scotland with USS Ranger during the Revolution.
The declaration that the US is in so sense founded upon the Christian religion goes somewhat beyond what you interpret it as. For virtually all of the countries of that time, it was implicitely understood that there was a state religion. In dealing with each other, this to some degree informed them who they were dealing with. Reading treaties through a religious lens was part of that, but only part of it. With that declaration, the US makes it clear that it is not bound to those traditional definitions, and sees no need to justify its actions (or whatever else) by recurring to religion. This goes for foreign governments as well as for internal policies. To the US, it is its constitution that defines what it does and does not do, and nothing else.
Good point!
John Paul Jones and Stephen Decatur ---- both were seriously motivated, and to say aggressive is an understatement to say the least!!
Movies about both should be made, and along with the Barbary war in general ---- insane!
I learned so much about the barbery wars from large electromancers video than anything I was taught in school. We should definitely talk about it more. It’s definitely important history to learn.
Let's be honest, one reason the "colonials" won vs the British was, 1. they fought on land, 2. the British didn't want to slaughter their own kinsmen to the man, they wanted to reconquer their wayward transatlantic colonies, not leave scorched earth...
Good lord... Could you imagine Trump as President with Hillary as his vice? Or Biden President with Trump as his VP? 😂
It's actually not a bad idea to maybe get then to work together instead of playing opposite world.
It'd provide some additional checks and balances I think, which might have been the intention back then.
I was absolutely taught this in high school, but I couldn't tell you how long we spent on it. I remembered mostly the connection to the battle hymn. Halls of Montezuma to the shores of Tripoli.
Canadian here. I heard about the Barbary coast, but not in school. I heard of it from Louis L'Amour's books! And read more on it in the Encyclopedia Britannica. We have even less actual history taught in schools than it appears you do!
There are multiple events in American history that are taught multiple times in grade school. Events that we spend weeks on learning. I'm sure history teachers can find A Day somewhere in there. Hell, it could be used to help pull interest back into the class. What kid doesn't want to learn about pirates?
Fairly certain the chubby electron guy was referring to the green berets when he mentioned a branch of special forces that is for toppling governments.
100% that's what the thicc lightning man was talking about.
For the USS O'Bannon yes there is a good video on it, also done by The Fat Electrician!
George Washington first rejecting power and then stepping down after having power puts him as top president for me personally
Yeah, I've heard of it before and read some about it. But I'm also ex-Navy and interested in Naval history. Most people won't know about it. But if you pay attention to the Marine Corps Hymn, it mentions it...
From the Halls of Montezuma
To the Shores of Tripoli;
We fight our country's battles
In the air, on land and sea;
First to fight for right and freedom
And to keep our honor clean;
We are proud to claim the title
of United States Marine.
They call it tribute, you call it ransom, the mafia calls it protection
I love that you support FE by buying his merch and rocking it. That is so cool and respectable.
Too bad he never mentioned that Sweden was already at war with the Barbary Pirates over the tributes and aided the Americans in blockading Tripoli. The only war in history where the Americans and Swedes teamed up The Swedish naval commander was Rudolf Cederström.
I feel like it should be talked about more in school as it is fundamentally why we have a navy and why marines do not require congressional approval
aditionally the first and most long lasting treaty was born
It was also the first special ops mission really as well, and went threw 4 of our first presidents
The Mameluke sword is part of the uniform for Marine officers. If you dad was a Marine, he'll already know about the history of the sword. They kinda drum that into our heads in boot camp.
I actually learned about it in bootcamp in my process to become a marine
Learned about the Barbary Wars in jr high but that was in the 80s.
My father was a Marine and I remember as a kid hearing the marine Corp song and I asked about the lyrics, which I was given a brief BRIEF explanation about the Barbary Wars.
Learned about The Barbary States circa 1991, at a German Lutheran private school, just outside Detroit.
He is talking about the green berets, that is what they do. Use partner forces to topple or distablise foreign powers.
Honestly I prefer the way they did President and Vice President as it insures that no matter what the country has to be on the same page and not completely at each other's throats
I’m also gonna say props to Morocco appreciate them being the first to recognize us
A few of my military friends that were/are in the US Navy, have confirmed they learned a bit of the Barbary Wars though some of their class work in Basic Training. I only knew of this War when I was going through some advanced Military Classes.
I completely disagree that Congress hates that they do not need to declare war…they could literally end the existing funding mechanisms if they wanted to. It is unpopular to declare war, it would cost them future elections in their districts, it is much more beneficial politically for them to silo that responsibility in the executive branch, that way they run in their district for or against it depending on local popularity of the conflict and leave the actual war in the hands of the national electorate, while they profit from it.
It is unreasonable to assert that Congress “hates” that. They just complain about it because it maintains the smokescreen. Actions speak louder than words. They haven’t withdrawn the war on terror authorization which is essentially a blank check in perpetuity.
I think the Special Ops referred to is the Green Beret
@24:50 I heard of them from old history channel when they actually showed history but never in school
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