Is The Ho-Ri Fictional?
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 30 พ.ค. 2021
- Japan's Ho-Ri tank destroyer is one of the more controversial vehicles in War Thunder. Many players are confused about just how real either of the two tank destroyer variants are, or if Gaijin is responsible for their implementation. Much like I did with the M6A2E1 and Panther II / Maus, I'll do my best to explain how far these vehicles got in real life, as well as how War Thunder portrays them.
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“No. Now stop asking.” - Gaijin Game Studios, 1994
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"It would fill some gaps in the tech tree"
Bruh the Japanese tech tree is like a block of cheese, it is made of holes
Japan has one vehicle at most for ever BR. But thats it. The best lineup you can get ever is at 6.7, where their tanks actually pack a heavy punch. 7.0 gives you the Ho-ri with a High pay and repair cost, and the weird ATGM tank.
@@snazzydazzy meanwhile me, playing a 3.3 vehicle at 6.3 uptier
@@snazzydazzy 5.0/4.7 says hi. (5.7 if you want to be generous with the horribly overtiered sherman)
Ro-go 70mm for indirect fire
@@Eonymia I won't say you aren't wrong, because you aren't. The Chi-to series have the same gun as the Chi-nu Kai, but they can't take a hit like many Japanese tanks.
At 6.7, you have the slightest chance of NOT dying.
Title: 'is Ho-ri fictional?'
Me: I thought it was obvious
Since the based on Chi Ri and chi ri only have 1 incomplete prototype so yeah, it is paper tank
Hi tech
Well the answer is that it is itself not fictional.
Omeeeega
@@pvt.jamesramirez6810
5 vehicles was on production line and reached 50% progression by 1945.
So not entirely paper tank since it left the drawing board.
And the Ho-Ri was not to be based on the exactly same hull as the Chi-Ri nor was the Chi-Ri supposed to be converted into a Ho-Ri, But instead the Ho-Ri was to be built from scratch based on the basic hull design of the Chi-Ri.
“It doesn’t matter if it’s real or not, what matters is whats in our tank breaches.”
@@worldoftancraft aww man 😢
Sh*t the breach is out
Barrel and Breech Torture
oh hey commander!
@@spehhhsssmarineer8961 I don't know why the comment is disappeared, lol
I always refer to this tank as the "Japanese Ferdinand".
They looks similar but I think ho ri is fast
Accurate
14k sl...
Paper ferdinand
I once shot one thinking it to be a French boi, and it made me sad to learn he was unable to turn to shoot, and he had no fpe. So he burned down while I was hiding...
Ah yes, the Japanese Jagdpz E100.
Always thought it looked more like a Ferdinand.
@@DovahFett yeah, can't forget that one.
@@DovahFett Ferdinand with 128 mm gun is one hell of beast
@@grievetan I prefer the sleekness of Wargaming's Jagdpanther II, zooming across the battlefield at 50 kilometers with a 128 mm doom stick.
@@DovahFett yeah that thing is a beast.
It can't be fictional, Warthunder removes all made up vehicles!
But its a premium and remember this is gaijin they would add a premium rail gun and probably the ratte
fictional doesnt even matter when most WW2 vehicles fight modern BS every game anyways
@@centurionmk5236 there is one in tech tree too
@@atticusfelton3151 where
@@centurionmk5236 In the tech tree? The production
Good choice of background music, especially as I'm currently doing a Hardcore Below Zero playthrough
Have fun!
Nice! I want to get it myself
i thought i was playing too much subnautica when I heard the music
Dicker Max is it you?
I personally don't mind fictional tanks in War Thunder, just as long as they had some form of basis in reality.
Besides, they seem pretty fun to me, and add a bit of a unique twist to certain tech trees.
They're keeping them because those nations need them compared to a nation as Germany that has a handful of vehicles at every BR
@@hkg207It's okay to not have a full lineup for a single BR compared to many minor nations who have entire BR brackets missing. Also you can uptier the Panther's to 6.3/6.7 if you feel the need to play these BR ranges.
WoT: first time?
my rule is if the war would last longer, would be added? and I think it would.
@@hkg207 1. Those fictional vehicles are not needed. Hence why they were removed. I never said I'm against giving any nation anything so don't put words in my mouth, I just said they're not essential in any way.
2. Yes they are. I use the Panthers there until I can get the M48. They struggle in uptiers beyond 6.7 but they handle their own all the way to 7.3 unless they're facing Russians. The gun is better than the Pershings while sitting at a lower BR at 6.7 they're fine.
3. The Panther II's armor is marginally better than the Panther F's so what the Panther II can stop will also be stopped by the Panther F/G.
4. The Panther's mobility is on par with any medium around this BR range.
5. There are better options to add instead of a fictional tank. A leopard prototype would be much better at 6.7 than a tank that has a gun it literally cannot fit inside.
"Is the Ho-Ri Fictional!?"
Meanwhile, elsewhere: IS-3-II-4-6-9 , E-75-TS-Wafflecocker -49-54mle.-E-100
I mean, WG never cared about historical accuracy.
existed in blueprints
and j6k1
E-75-TS- "Wafflecocker" Lol
It's called sicreet dokyuments
Japan's tank community is by far the least spoiled due to the fact that they have to work out with minor equipment. America, Germany, and Russia have the same vehicle situations despite being x10 larger. Yet people still wanna shift and dog on a minor tech tree, it's actually sad. I hope y'all know that we also have to fight cold war MBT's despite being WW2 tech.
I'm fine with the Ho Ri's in the tech tree, no matter if I'm fighting them or using them. It'd be nice if they even added the Ho Ri I and II.
I'd love the Ho-ri repair cost to be chopped in half so I would see more of them on the battlefield in War Thunder. They are a fun tank to use and go against.
@Manuel - The Ho Ri III is the one ingame, the Ho Ri I has the flat armor, and the Ho Ri II is the Jagdtiger one.
Yea, I really enjoy playing Ho-Ri along with Type 75 a.k.a Derpy anime tank and ST-A3. But there are not many options other than 3.3. We only have E8 Sherman for 5.7 BR, but I dunno why since 5.3 Panther D easily outperforms and does everything thing better than Sherman (only slow turret rotation speed for Panther, I dont think it is a disadvantage since you wont need to push forward a lot and fight at 100~300 meters range). I would like to see Chi-Ri 1 and Ka-To (Na-To but uses 105mm gun) even if Chi-Ri 1 is a fictional tank. Japanese tech-tree needs some of them
@@samsmotzzz2171 To add to this, the "Ho-Ri III" is a fictional name in itself. There were only three proposed being the initial small-scale mockup with the sloped front and after that the Ho-Ri I and Ho-Ri II were proposed with the latter ultimately being the only one to actually get a detailed blueprint completed. The two numbers refer to the engine placement: in the I, the engine is placed in the center and the fighting compartment in the rear while the II is a more conventional concept. In this way, the mockup if you would prefer to not call it the mockup, is just a early iteration of the plan I rather than being a mystical plan III.
There's another one in wot blitz called Ho-ri Type 3
Considering how awful the ww2 nipon designs were, I think we all should let this one silde past
Thank you ;-;
Finally!
yeaahhh we should let this one slide. It's needed
"In 1943 the japanese army realised that their current arsenal of anti tank weapons was lacking". Didnt take them long at all, did it?
They must've been too busy firing mini nukes from the Ho-Ro to realise that their purpose built anti tank cannons suck
I love how to get more gun depression the roof opens up, totally not going to make the crew paranoid about hand grenades, spicy smoke rounds or a possibly very miffed attack dog!
Or a sniper with a perfect angle. Maybe not high on the list but still.
Wouldn't it be away from all that and support it's friends from behind? It is a tank destroyer, or is japanese doctrine different?
@@carized8852 you'd be surprised what is supposed to happen verses what actually happens, never underestimate how sneaky infantry can be, especially ones with Bazookas!
@@carized8852 ah yes ptotected by other tanks oh wait their all dead
It's hardly a big opening, not much different from driving with the commander out. And I mean you can also just not depress the gun that much.
A Spookton's video to turn the pain away
As someone who's main tree is Japan, the Production is perfectly fine where it is. It gets down tiered every so often and can curb most 6.7s and lower, but also gets uptiered enough where HEAT-FS and APDS make short work of the crew. Removing it also doesnt help the tree as the Rank IV and Rank V area of the ground tree is very scarce with tanks
the entire tree is scarce with tanks with the largest 2 lineups being 3 tanks (not counting the piece of shit type 60 atm)
To be honest I'd like to see some paper tanks into the game as long as their stats aren't out of this world. 4.7-7.0 is probably the most interesting br when it comes to variety of vehicles.
Personally I'm fine with Japan having some paper tanks, such as if the Ka-To tank destroyer was added, it was somewhat similar to that of the Na-To, but had a 105mm gun.
well i'm fine with paper vehicles as long as they are executed as realistically possible, would function in real life and could be feasibly be built by that country.
@@jammygamer8961Yeah, we really don't need any paper tanks that wouldn't be realistic and would be busted op, the Ka-To would be cool though, it was designed like the Na-To but based on the Type 4 Chi-To tank, and was to have the same 105mm as what the Ho-Ri has.
@@MilHistoria Other examples that fall under that category would be the P.43 and P.43bis, Re.2006, Chi-Se (although that's pushing it a tad), D.554, CAPRA R.40/R.41 and Buggati 110P.
@@tm0661 or stuff like the leopard light tank
@@tm0661 I don't understand why would someone want P. 43?
I wouldn’t mind the Production being removed. I already have it and while it’s a great vehicle, nobody should have to play it with a 20k sl repair
Cant pin the front get one shotted die lose 15'000 sl repeat go poor play br 2.7 get rich again repeat
THIS IS SO TRUE !!! We need to speak up about that topic, japanese Rank V only has 3 vehicles and by making 1 unplayable the Grind out of Rank V is waaay to rough
@@slenderuncut1821 The Japanese ATGM tank isn't bad, just really ridiculous to try to use.
@@snazzydazzy The Type 60 ATM really is bad. There are tanks that can practically outrun the missiles, and the aiming is super wonky at times. And worse of all just .3 br increase above it are things like BMP-1 that has way easier to use ATGM and a cannon
@@Ko_Kasumi Oh yeah for sure. Getting past that BR actually had be buy the Type 74G just to get out of it. It's that bad. However, thanks to the new Overpressure, you can kill some heavies if you are lucky.
Key word: lucky.
the big question is why does it have a machine gunner but no machine gun?
That’s just gaijins classification of vehicles assistant drivers or radio operators.
2:44 but the e100 actually had a fully built hull made that was scraped not a mock up , and it most likely would of had the same maus turret like it's portrayed in wt
The Subnautica music though... took me right back underwater.
I think gaijin should do more "fictional" tanks since their capabilities can be easier to assume than aircraft. plus it can pad out the more minor nations with actual original vehicles.
I would like to see the Ho-Ri with the Chi Ri chassis added to the game. A hull mounted 37 mm could lead to some pretty interesting games.
Why? the Japanese 37mm is worse than useless.
@@kirishima638 I’ve made some great use of it against waffentragers, pt-76b’s, and m22’s upturning.
@@kirishima638 Also you can use the 37 MM to bait a tank into thinking you have fired already. It comes out then BANG! It's a dead tank.
It never existed.
@@kirishima638 at 6.7 you see quite a bit of lights, especially in an uptier.
it can kill thouse at least
Me and my friends usally call this thing the Japanese Ferdinant.
yeeee subnautica playing in background
The Ho-Ri is fine.
Now gaijin, talking about paper tanks, gib us the Entwicklung series.
No not more german tanks
@@justarandomtechpriest1578 yes, more German tanks 😎
Dear spookston, thank you for your content, I’ve always loved ww1- modern tanks and military technology, but you’ve inspired me to genuinely begin to want to make content on the topic, I intend on making content on the subject, thank you for inspiring me
Fantastic video. The varied history of prototype and experimental tanks is most intriguing.
Something something they threw the 5 tanks into a lake myth.
I met you in the 38th parallel map while you were testing the ho-ri and the first thing I said in chat was a complaint about the shell selection glitch. I complained about something insignificant in front of a guy who makes videos on actual problems and I just find it hilarious. I love your stuff dude.
Love the subnautica music dude, keep it up
First thing I realised din the video was you put a Subnautica soundtrack and I think it fits perfectly
Ho-Ri looks unnatural compared to other japanese tanks
@Der Königstiger What country you play?
@@snazzydazzy His name might give a clue
@Der Königstiger The Chi-Ri II is the best looking one among them all imo.
Not as slab-sided as WW2 Japanese tanks typically are? or that they dont have other rear casemate vehicles
@Der Königstiger As expected from the German Addict.
every spookston video. Start off with a kill
Spookston: talking
Me: vibing to subnautica music
Love the subnautica music spooks!
gosh I love that subnautica background music. nice nostalgia
Can you make a video on the E series (E25, 50, 75?) ?
lol e-25 just looks like a bonked hetzer to me 😂
Epic Subnautica music while talking about tanks is something I never thought I would hear
I see war thunder only as a more realistic world of tanks game that’s way more grindy early game than wot but there’s still a lot of tanks and vehicles that should be added
They should add vehicles from the lesser nations like the maresal tank destroyers and turan’s/toldi’s tanks
AAAA SUBNAUTICA MUSIC PTSD
ikr.
wow actually so funny :)
Wake up babe, new Spookston upload
They criticize paper tanks for being "unrealistic" but they don't say anyithing about playing king of the hill with ww2 tanks with no infantry support in ghost towns with only 10 houses, or playing a ww2 german tank fighting a chinese tank from the 1960s in Alaska
I love the subnautica music in the background
love the subnautica background music
Gotta love the subnatica music in the background
I love the Subnautica soundtrack in the background. Abandoned Ship, if I have the tune correctly. Great song.
He used a subnautica song. What a wonderful thing to hear.
Nice subnautica music in the background
It's absolutely fictional, it was made up by 'MaiWaffentrager' who is a notorious poster on a number of tank forums. He also claims to be a Korean mother of three, but IRL is a Japanese man, go figure. The Ho-Ri IRL would have looked just like a casemate Chi-Nu II with no sloped armor.
I heard that as well. How did anyone find out she was a he?
@@AlphonseZukor way back in the WOT days (8 years ago I guess?) he was in a Skype call with a different username and I can't really remember but somehow he accidentally mentioned that he was 'Mai' on the forums. Or, that's what I've been told at least, it's all really old drama. The main thing is that the Ho-Ri that 'Mai' gave to the War Thunder devs is totally fictional, he edited images and basically made a fictional tank.
@@jameshodgson3656 Mai is an absolute legend when it comes to overstating Japanese veichles preformance. If anyone ever have some time over, go and read his absolute shitshow of a thread on the O-I from the War Thunder forums. It's so funny when reality starts to come crashing down around 2019 when some 3d modeller confirm that the dimensions and armor thicknesses that Mai has sworn by are completely wrong and physically impossible. And that the weight of the tank has to be at over 200 tons, 25% higher than the highest figures given up until that point.
Who is mai waffentrager? I am really curious about this tank forum drama
@@siegfried2k4 just a person who's singlehandedly ruined Japanese armor discussion on the WOT, WT, and SturgeonsHouse forums for nearly a decade. 'Mai' used to run a forum called 'sensha manual', it still exists so go ahead and Google it I guess.
I think removing vehicles from games like Warthunder is a total failure.
Could you do a video on the R2Y2 Kai? I think that would be totally cool.
I like the Subnautica music in the background
The Ho-Ri 1 would be a nice addition to the game. I suppose a BR of about 5.7-6.7 somewhere in that line. Probably closer in the 6.0 and up due to the 105mm main gun.
Great subnautica background music.
Nice subnautica background music
would love to see a video on the history of the R3 T20 FA-HS and its deviations.
The Ho-Ri I was a tank destroyer version using a 105 mm cannon in place of the 75 mm gun design and an additional 37 mm gun in the front armored plate. The armor was to be 30 mm thick and it was to have a crew of six. It used the Type 5 Chi-Ri tank chassis. The superstructure for the main gun was placed at the rear, the engine was positioned in the center area of the chassis and the driver's station was in the front hull section; all similar in design to the German Ferdinand/Elefant heavy tank destroyer. According to "The National Institute for Defense Studies, Ministry of Defense, Military Administration of Munitions Mobilization, Production Chart of January to April of 1945", the plan was to produce a total of 5 Ho-Ri gun tanks by March 1945. However, no prototypes are known to have been completed. Another variant of the Ho-Ri was to have a twin 25 mm anti-aircraft gun on top of the rear casemate superstructure in a "swivel mount".
A second version planned was the Ho-Ri II heavy tank destroyer. It was to use the Type 5 Chi-Ri tank chassis. The boxy superstructure for the main gun was completely integral with the hull's sides and placed at the center of the chassis (similar in design to the German Jagdtiger). The engine compartment was moved in the rear area of the chassis. It also was to use a 105 mm cannon as its main armament.
The Ho-Ri was a more powerful tank destroyer (gun tank) using a 105 mm cannon in place of the 75 mm design and an additional 37 mm gun. It was to use the Type 5 Chi-Ri tank chassis. The superstructure for the main gun was placed at the rear, the engine was positioned in the center area of the chassis and the driver's station was in the front hull section; all similar in design to the German Ferdinand/Elefant heavy tank destroyer. Another planned version was to have a twin 25 mm anti-aircraft gun on top of the rear superstructure.
There was also a planned variant known as the Ho-Ri II, with the boxy superstructure for the main 105 mm cannon designed to be integral with the hull's sides and placed at the center of the chassis (similar to the German Jagdtiger). But, According to several sources, no prototypes of the Ho-Ri were known to have been completed. Also, the only evidence that it was supposed to have been built was a Type 5 gun tank Ho-Ri I mock-up scale model. The tank most likely would’ve been built if the war had progressed further than 1945.
Very nice Subnautica music
The Ho Ri is in WoT and also WotB, it’s pretty interesting as they all got the same tank, it’s really something else
In my experience the Ho-Ri gets penned by everything, at every range. I will only bring it out now in a full downtier and still play ultra cautiously. Yet 20k repair costs....
The 20k repair cost also puts me off from playing it, I can't bring the tank out to drive in my lineup without getting a net loss in SL
Ive honestly had the opposite experience
Is that the Subnautica soundtrack I hear? Nice.
I like that Subnautica music in the background
I'm just vibing to the Subnautica music in the background.
I'm sure you're working on it but please release a vid on the new upd8 soon, I don't know what's going on with tank destroyers but I often can't leave spawn, I've gone 6 games in a row without a kill in the 4.3 range, each game I've been killed between 2-3 times almost directly out of my spawn by Russian and British tank destroyers. I'm not sure what's going on with aiming either, my shots are ricocheting more often or doing barely anything to normally easy vehicles to handle.
i thought i was going crazy with the subnautica music in the background.
Subnautica soundtrack? poggers
Got to love this game some nations get non existing prototypes and some don't even have standard tanks that where used in game.
Spooky boy proving his excellent taste in video game soundtracks once again with that Subnautica tune.
That subnautica background music tho
Needs more attention
where does spookston find like the metal or rock he uses for the kill compilations
2:40 gaijoob moment
Could you do a video examining if the R3 T20/T106 are real and to which degree. I only know of like two photos of an R3 T20, although I also saw it referred to by a different name which didn‘t bring any extra results. I‘ve never seen a photo of the T106 variant ever.
Love the adition of Subnautica Music
Is that subnautica song playing in the back ?
Songs used:
Subnautica - Into the Unknown
Nice choice. Are you currently playing subnautica ?
yo subnautica lol i never thought i would hear that music in here
Great music choice! Subnautica has an amazing soundtrack, but how did you get them to let you use their music in an un-related video?
Corect me if im wrong, but i havent heard people geting copyright claims from unknown worlds, the devs of subnautica
was it just me who noticed the subnautica music in the background?
Is that subnautica music I hear in the background?
do an r3 video if you can i think it would be interesting
was it fictionl, or historically accurate kinda thing
It's not fictional, the OTO R3 was a series of different armoured vehicles based on the same car made by OTO-Melara
@@lucagorosito3715 i know its real, im just saying, because people think its fake, hence when you seach r3 t20 fahs in googe, "r3t20fahs in real life" is an option
If they do remove the production variant, will people still have it if they unlock it? Like…do people still keep vehicles if they unlocked it and gaijin removed it from the tree?
Into the unknown at the beginning very epic
the beginning of the outro always reminds me of OneShot
subnautica music in the background. thought i knew it somewhere
1s in and heard subnautica theme in the background ;-)
I got confused for a moment because of the Subnautica BGM
Hey Spook, why do your in-game sound effects sound so different from mine? Like... your main gun sound, machine gun sounds, everything sounds different from mine...? Even the voices of your crew are different...
I know I'm not the only one who hears the subnautica theme song in the back
My idea is to rename the ho ri production to ho ri prototype 2 or something close and add the real ho ri production version before the ho ri prototype 2
is that subnatica music in that background?
Do you play subnatica I herd the music in the background
Love the Subnautica music
I recognize a Subnautica soundtrack
You are not the only one
indeed
Yeah seeing the Ho-Ri Production at a higher rank than the Type 75 SPH just doesn’t sit right with me
Lovin the Subnautica music
Well it did only exist on paper but some tanks on the game only made it that far or only to mock replica, or just one made for testing. As long as they don't get to crazy with putting tanks in, I say go for it
Is there a reason why you seem to no longer use the correctional aiming for distance?