Japan's Sherman Hunter, the Chi-Ri | Cursed by Design

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    When most people think of Japanese tanks from the second world war it's quite similar to their reaction to Italian tanks of that period. Small, underpowered tanks with weak armaments incapable of competing against the vehicles fielded by other nations. In most cases this would be true, but towards the end of the war the Japanese began multiple projects in an attempt to combat the allied armor. In future videos we will discuss all of these projects but for today's episode we’ll be taking a look at the story of the Type 5 Chi-Ri.
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  • @ConeOfArc
    @ConeOfArc  3 ปีที่แล้ว +293

    Thanks to "The Modern Frontiersman" for sponsoring this video. Go check out their channel: th-cam.com/video/svHVFlbpQfI/w-d-xo.html

    • @noahezer9295
      @noahezer9295 3 ปีที่แล้ว +6

      Plsss next video be the MBT 70 okay😊🙏🙏

    • @romanthenumeral9497
      @romanthenumeral9497 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      hell yeah id love to learn more about the mbt70

    • @novanchiem4643
      @novanchiem4643 3 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      U tell the Chi-Ri is the sherman hunter but still don't have enough armor to defend itself from the sherman :v

    • @Bias5
      @Bias5 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Do chi nu please!

    • @ognjenstepanovic3121
      @ognjenstepanovic3121 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Can you do the Novi Sad sherman.

  • @galladesamurai2380
    @galladesamurai2380 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1299

    Fun fact: The Chi-Ri is about the same size as the Tiger ll
    Let that sink in for a moment

    • @daruween1398
      @daruween1398 3 ปีที่แล้ว +178

      oh god oh fuck

    • @norad_clips
      @norad_clips 3 ปีที่แล้ว +293

      Indeed, sink into the mud

    • @sinthoras1306
      @sinthoras1306 3 ปีที่แล้ว +268

      *HOLY MASSIVE MOLY* if Seen the Tiger II in reality, how, how could they have produced a Tank this big, whit armor and armament this weak.

    • @RG-fc7ht
      @RG-fc7ht 3 ปีที่แล้ว +213

      @@sinthoras1306 Because the IJN ate up all the budget and resources which with the whole debacle of the battle of midway and beyond. Not a lot of resources for tanks or really anything.

    • @troutwarrior6735
      @troutwarrior6735 3 ปีที่แล้ว +76

      But it only has 75mm of non sloped armor! WTF!

  • @fabovondestory
    @fabovondestory 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2594

    Italy: I got the worst tanks!
    Japan: No, I got the worst tank!
    China: You guys got tanks?

    • @leutnantin408
      @leutnantin408 3 ปีที่แล้ว +137

      At least they got German panzer I lol

    • @ilovepanzer3930
      @ilovepanzer3930 3 ปีที่แล้ว +92

      Whelp pz.I with two dp-28s if those are even tanks

    • @amichiganboiwhosereallazy1544
      @amichiganboiwhosereallazy1544 3 ปีที่แล้ว +105

      @@ilovepanzer3930 I don’t believe they are tanks. If it’s only mgs then it would be considered a Tankette

    • @ilovepanzer3930
      @ilovepanzer3930 3 ปีที่แล้ว +41

      @@amichiganboiwhosereallazy1544 well the communists do have some captured Japanese tanks but we the R.O.C only have those pz.1s which aren’t even pz.Is and maybe some outdated m60s nowadays...
      Yeah talk about fighting back to the mainland.My life is a joke

    • @mrducky179
      @mrducky179 3 ปีที่แล้ว +43

      @@amichiganboiwhosereallazy1544 im sure tankettes are classified by weight and not their armament

  • @Jowjoejoe
    @Jowjoejoe 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1075

    "People think that Japanese tanks are incapable, which in most case is true"
    Cries in Chinese bought panzer 1 and 2

    • @Jowjoejoe
      @Jowjoejoe 3 ปีที่แล้ว +143

      @Kingston Wang I'm pretty sure they traded raw material with Germany before WW2. There is hundreds of pictures of Chinese troops in german gear down to the gas masks.

    • @filmandfirearms
      @filmandfirearms 3 ปีที่แล้ว +99

      @@Jowjoejoe Germany had a lot of military advisors deployed to China, and gave them a lot of equipment because they were fighting the communists

    • @Jowjoejoe
      @Jowjoejoe 3 ปีที่แล้ว +39

      "In August 1934, the Treaty for the Exchange of Chinese Raw Materials and Agricultural Products of German Industrial and Other Products was signed in which China would trade strategically important raw material for German industrial products and development. " en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sino-German_cooperation_(1926%E2%80%931941)#German_aid_to_industrialization_of_China

    • @Jowjoejoe
      @Jowjoejoe 3 ปีที่แล้ว +28

      @Kingston Wang May I remind you that before the industrial revolution China was the biggest economy in the world? They have a bunch of resources which is what led to all those invasions.

    • @Jowjoejoe
      @Jowjoejoe 3 ปีที่แล้ว +22

      @Kingston Wang Industrial capability and resources are not the same thing...

  • @yi_hou3092
    @yi_hou3092 3 ปีที่แล้ว +368

    What would the Chi-Ri and Chi-To's Type 5 Gun be the Equivalent too exactly my bet is on the German 75 L/70

    • @ConeOfArc
      @ConeOfArc  3 ปีที่แล้ว +163

      From what I saw while researching it was considered relatively equivalent to the Panthers 75

    • @thesnazzycomet
      @thesnazzycomet 3 ปีที่แล้ว +52

      @@ConeOfArc somewhere between the Sherman 76 and Panther 75

    • @qingyunwang3802
      @qingyunwang3802 3 ปีที่แล้ว +47

      It's comparable to the M1 76mm on Shermans. The gun is based on a 1920s Swedish design and is certainly inferior in terms of penetration to 88mm kwk 36 let alone 75mm kwk 42.

    • @user-bo1ej5im9t
      @user-bo1ej5im9t 3 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      Cheeto

    • @EstellammaSS
      @EstellammaSS 3 ปีที่แล้ว +10

      @@ConeOfArc nope, at least not in terms of anti-tank performance.
      75mm/1000m is worse than the US 76mm M1
      It would have problems even against the Sherman at longer distance

  • @whirving
    @whirving 3 ปีที่แล้ว +591

    A crappy tank is a monster when there are no tanks or guns to oppose it. The Imperial Japanese army were brilliant about getting their "crappy" tanks into the fight. They were pretty effective in Burma and the Philippines early on.

    • @forbeshutton5487
      @forbeshutton5487 3 ปีที่แล้ว +97

      The ability to use tanks was very limited in the Pacific. Roads and railroad tracks were often the only way to move them between mountains, jungles, swamps, etc, and that would make them easy prey for air or artillery attack. The smaller bridges along the roads and railways also meant that even the "best" routes for the tacks were unusable without major engineering.
      Add in the logistics of island fighting, getting tanks ashore, even at major ports was a problem, but it would take huge amounts of resources to keep a tank moving on the offence ( a tank could consume about half what a small landing craft would carry just in fuel in a day, then you have to get it from the shore to the tank...). On defense, which Japan was by the time these tanks were being considered, bunkers take a fraction of the manpower and resources to construct and require nothing more over time.

    • @oldfrend
      @oldfrend 3 ปีที่แล้ว +32

      @@forbeshutton5487 the japanese investing in tanks was pretty pointless in the pacific campaign, particularly fighting a defensive war severely short on raw materials. they were probably better off investing in light anti-tank guns and rockets, and lots of them. but generals inevitably have their glory projects, come hell or high water. and hell came.

    • @Jordan-Ramses
      @Jordan-Ramses 2 ปีที่แล้ว +19

      That should be the plan. Tanks are cavalry. If they're stuck in a fixed battle you aren't using them correctly. Using them as expensive artillery is sub optimal. Or like the Soviets. Drive them directly into artillery fire and expect them to win somehow.

    • @randyhavard6084
      @randyhavard6084 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Don't forget, their crappy tanks really did a number on those Chinese peasants too

    • @madensmith7014
      @madensmith7014 2 ปีที่แล้ว +10

      This is all true except that the "crappy" tanks were designed for China and were more effective there than the Pacific

  • @Jo2h_
    @Jo2h_ 3 ปีที่แล้ว +600

    Guys this tank is actually goated

    • @thecomradetrotsky
      @thecomradetrotsky 3 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      It can't be :0

    • @strafe8866
      @strafe8866 3 ปีที่แล้ว +21

      In war thunder

    • @Holyw1n
      @Holyw1n 3 ปีที่แล้ว +21

      Agreed Not sure in real life
      But in WOT it’s Cool

    • @EukalyptusBonBon
      @EukalyptusBonBon 3 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      Not anymore in WT :(

    • @Tameshi-hd1qk
      @Tameshi-hd1qk 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Japanese tank type-95 Ha-Go - type-5 Chi-Ri Have Low Armor

  • @agentepolaris4914
    @agentepolaris4914 3 ปีที่แล้ว +594

    The Japanese weren't ignorant about tank building, they just did what they could with their limited resources.

    • @m10tankdestroyer94
      @m10tankdestroyer94 3 ปีที่แล้ว +248

      I'm sorry but you misspelled "They directed all their funds to the navy instead"

    • @agentepolaris4914
      @agentepolaris4914 3 ปีที่แล้ว +167

      @@m10tankdestroyer94 well, yeah. But being an archipelago I think that was a rather obvious choice.
      Besides they rarely faced Americans on land battles and their tanks were fairly good for the other other enemy they were fighting: the Chinese.

    • @myDickbiG
      @myDickbiG 3 ปีที่แล้ว +41

      japanese tanks are designed for cavalry tactics

    • @essexclass8168
      @essexclass8168 3 ปีที่แล้ว +63

      actually they purposely shut down their tank dev around the 1930s cause someone fucked up in Manchuria by using them wrong
      then had to restart late

    • @agentepolaris4914
      @agentepolaris4914 3 ปีที่แล้ว +25

      @@essexclass8168 I'd like to know more about that fuck up in Manchuria. I alwasy thought they did it jus because corrupt Navy officers were the majority in the governing junta.

  • @SnepBlepVR
    @SnepBlepVR 3 ปีที่แล้ว +103

    I just love how of the tanks in battlefield V the Japanese tanks are the most op period.. I watched a type 97 take on by itself a Sherman and two LVTs and the damn thing won against the Sherman an LVT and most of the second one.. the only thing that saved the third one was some punk with a lunge mine

    • @Seraphil1
      @Seraphil1 3 ปีที่แล้ว +20

      Sounds like they had the 75mm gun upgrade that changes the Type 97 Chi-Ha to a Type 3 Chi-Nu. Kinda wish the designation changed with it

    • @josten8044
      @josten8044 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@Seraphil1 I found sticking with the 57mm and just going after the AP rounds is the best option for the Chi-Ha. The smaller turret makes you a smaller target, and with the right camo the enemy team might not see you. Personally the gun upgrades are overrated because the turrets are big targets for the enemy tanks. I had a game on Iwo Jima and got 14 tank kills. When I went to rearm, a Sherman pulled up next to me but didn't even notice I was next to him, I still managed to take him down.

  • @johnhughes2653
    @johnhughes2653 3 ปีที่แล้ว +68

    I've always thought that one of the reasons that Japanese tanks tended to be so small and lightly armoured was the fact that their planned expansion involved a lot of island hopping. Therefore, the tanks needed to be easily transported by ship & landing craft. Additionally, there is the fact that a lot of jungle warfare would be expected, so smaller tanks would have an advantage in negotiating roads that were little more that dirt paths through dense jungle.

    • @galil_6863
      @galil_6863 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      But the Chi-Ri was the size of a Tiger II...

    • @dharianimator
      @dharianimator 16 วันที่ผ่านมา

      @@galil_6863 the turret was big because of the auto loader system. the hull was wide due to the engine and because it has a second cannon, room has to be made for the shells. However, i don't know why they haven't implement slope hulls as it's more effective and they possibly thought of just having the same design, as seen from Chi He all the way to Chi To.

  • @Ribbon_13
    @Ribbon_13 3 ปีที่แล้ว +188

    I forget what exact tank it is but I met a guy who owned a tank collection and he had a Japanese tank. While he was restoring it they kept punching wholes through the armor trying to fix the bullet holes. He ended up taking a piece to a metallurgy expert and found out that parts of the tank were made of nickle

    • @Mr-Trox
      @Mr-Trox 3 ปีที่แล้ว +54

      It was probably the Ha-Go or Chi-Ha, those were the most common Japanese tanks.
      I think I remember seeing a picture of a knocked out Chi-Ha being strapped to the engine of an M4 Sherman. It looked so ridiculous.

    • @Ribbon_13
      @Ribbon_13 3 ปีที่แล้ว +16

      @@Mr-Trox looked it up, it was a Ha-Go

    • @erzhaider
      @erzhaider 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      What parts were made of nickel? Structural parts not affected by direct gunfire or parts of the actual armor?

    • @Ribbon_13
      @Ribbon_13 2 ปีที่แล้ว +14

      @@erzhaider armor was nickel

    • @erzhaider
      @erzhaider 2 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      @@Ribbon_13 very interesting, thank you

  • @Arthion
    @Arthion 3 ปีที่แล้ว +55

    Well, one of things I like about Japanese tank design is that once high command realised they needed something new and sent some actual funding down to R&D after having knee-capped it almost a decade earlier the advancements came at a very high rate. Even the Type 4 Chi-To is actually pretty decent if only 'too little, too late'.
    Edit: Also unfortunate that the US scrapped it. It'd made a pretty cool museum piece.

  • @mikep3180
    @mikep3180 3 ปีที่แล้ว +236

    I also like how during the war the Germans got the memo and started adding sloped armor but the Japanese were like no fuck that

    • @gunserhallo5506
      @gunserhallo5506 3 ปีที่แล้ว +79

      No, Japanese were aware of that but they didn’t have such a capable industrial power to do that in fact late Japanese tank had some proposal to use sloped armoir but quickly refused because it is impossible for Japanese to mass product sloped armour tanks. Limited resource and weak industrial power came to their mind.

    • @jackp7727
      @jackp7727 3 ปีที่แล้ว +7

      Yeah it’s irritating, ik it’s a game and all but in warthunder whenever I play the chi Nu, chi to or chi Ri it annoys me because the 2 plates on the front could have easily been made into one sloped plate which would have made them much more survivable

    • @liviuganea4108
      @liviuganea4108 3 ปีที่แล้ว +62

      They didn't "get the memo". Germany WAS aware of sloped armor. They just didn't think the massive decrease in space, difficulty in manufacture was worth the slight increase in effectiveness. When that effectiveness was needed (Panther and Tiger 2) the negatives were deemed acceptable.

    • @shadowraven3253
      @shadowraven3253 3 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      @@liviuganea4108 I think cause they also build bigger negating the first problem.

    • @Cbrmkn98xs
      @Cbrmkn98xs 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Japan: i noticed but fuck it, imma waste all my resources on *Ships*

  • @tristenthomas7352
    @tristenthomas7352 3 ปีที่แล้ว +138

    The auto loader on the Chi-Ri 2 has saved me more times than I can count on WT

  • @scockery
    @scockery 3 ปีที่แล้ว +129

    "Sherman Hunter" is an odd name for a Japanese guy.

    • @imgvillasrc1608
      @imgvillasrc1608 3 ปีที่แล้ว +11

      Japanese-Americans: "Are we a joke to you?"

    • @thealecexperience1087
      @thealecexperience1087 3 ปีที่แล้ว +7

      What about tiger woods xd

    • @tacomas9602
      @tacomas9602 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@thealecexperience1087 lmao 🤣

    • @Icspiders247
      @Icspiders247 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      Two last names even.

    • @datadavis
      @datadavis 3 ปีที่แล้ว +5

      Sherumanu Hunteru

  • @rubberwoody
    @rubberwoody 3 ปีที่แล้ว +93

    the Chi-to is one of the best looking imperial japanese tanks. Then you have this chunky boi

    • @i_nameless_i-jgsdf
      @i_nameless_i-jgsdf 3 ปีที่แล้ว +20

      The planned production for the Chi-To is even more sexy with smaller turret placed in the center and slightly sloped armor around its hull.

    • @DeliveryTank
      @DeliveryTank 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      I like the sloped front Ho Ri and chi to more but ok

    • @Doman9191
      @Doman9191 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Chi-Nu is best looking to me

    • @Penha-yz8vj
      @Penha-yz8vj 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      wait until you see the O-I

  • @FairyNya
    @FairyNya 3 ปีที่แล้ว +48

    i just thought about it, next episode of cursed by design should be “cursed by design: war thunder”

  • @jeannedarcalterberserker8620
    @jeannedarcalterberserker8620 3 ปีที่แล้ว +174

    Japanese tanks are so interesting 👍 their stories are so interesting. How bout the O-I next?

    • @agentepolaris4914
      @agentepolaris4914 3 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      I think he already has a vudeo about the O-I

    • @leopard2a466
      @leopard2a466 3 ปีที่แล้ว +6

      @@agentepolaris4914 link?

    • @averageebran
      @averageebran 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      @@Nomad0311 They were cruel,but not everyone.

    • @adenmitchell7633
      @adenmitchell7633 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      No

    • @anm10wolvorinenotapanther32
      @anm10wolvorinenotapanther32 2 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      The O-I will be rather hard to work on considering every information you can know about the tank will be contradicted by other sources time and time again. Nobody is even sure how the one prototype of the tank was destroyed

  • @undertow619
    @undertow619 3 ปีที่แล้ว +154

    I actually like the overall silhouette. It looks pretty modern compared to some of the other early cold war. The spacious turret and the autoloader mechanism is something I like too. Plenty of room for ammo, crew and the idea of the autoloader just being there to help speed up the firing rate of the main cannon in short bursts is something I really appreciate compared to other systems where they feed straight from the ammo storage to the cannon. If the autoloader breaks for some reason, the loader crewmate can still keep the gun firing.

    • @DeliveryTank
      @DeliveryTank 3 ปีที่แล้ว +11

      I dont think the chi ri was intended to have an autoloader

    • @krixpop
      @krixpop 3 ปีที่แล้ว +19

      @@DeliveryTank
      indeed, there was absolutely NO auto-loader
      And overall, this tank and its variants, was another display of how little ww2 Japan understood tank warfare.

    • @jwenting
      @jwenting 3 ปีที่แล้ว +6

      Of course the large flat and almost vertical surfaces also made the tank rather vulnerable.
      Not enough slope to really matter, and Japanese steel didn't have the quality to make good armour so they'd ideally need all the slope they could get.

    • @thegamingzilla6269
      @thegamingzilla6269 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      @@krixpop a revised version of the Chi-Ri platform, known as the Chi-Ri II, would have an autoloader, but it was very basic, being a 3 shot hand fed magazine that had to be hand loaded

    • @brute6896
      @brute6896 3 ปีที่แล้ว +7

      @@krixpop well I mean they had a bit of small pieces of steel with cardboard and a few staples because they kept giving the steel to the navy

  • @aymanayad7230
    @aymanayad7230 3 ปีที่แล้ว +281

    "Sherman hunter" is only moderately better than the late Shermans

    • @mikepette4422
      @mikepette4422 3 ปีที่แล้ว +55

      not even sure they are "better" in an overall sense just the gun is better than the Sherman 75mm can't say it's better than the 76mm

    • @aymanayad7230
      @aymanayad7230 3 ปีที่แล้ว +26

      @@mikepette4422 the gun does have slightly better penetration than the 76 in most circumstances,thats about it

    • @i_nameless_i-jgsdf
      @i_nameless_i-jgsdf 3 ปีที่แล้ว +12

      But does it change the fact that it would still have no trouble lolpen the Sherman after all that is the entire reason why this tank existed to begin with.

    • @aymanayad7230
      @aymanayad7230 3 ปีที่แล้ว +52

      @@i_nameless_i-jgsdf the sherman won't have trouble penning its flat armor lookin ass either,and Sherman have stabilizers and easy eights would just laugh at them

    • @i_nameless_i-jgsdf
      @i_nameless_i-jgsdf 3 ปีที่แล้ว +10

      @@aymanayad7230
      Again how does it change the fact that this tank was meant to take on the Sherman hence the title ''Sherman hunter'' i never said the Sherman can't pen it or even compard both tanks, the fck are you even trying ? lol

  • @gandsproductions5105
    @gandsproductions5105 3 ปีที่แล้ว +32

    I've heard that the ho-ri with sloped armour wasn't even real and that the picture surfaced in the 70s.

  • @patricklynch9574
    @patricklynch9574 3 ปีที่แล้ว +25

    Dammit now I want Cheetos.🤣

  • @largegummyhitman5786
    @largegummyhitman5786 3 ปีที่แล้ว +39

    *Meanwhile in an alternate timeline where war drags on for longer*
    Japanese tank commander: Finally we can fight Shermans
    *Patton tank spots chi-ri*
    Patton tank commander: Imma end this man's whole career

    • @unusualincidentsunit7428
      @unusualincidentsunit7428 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      You mean m26 Pershing and m47 Patton?

    • @largegummyhitman5786
      @largegummyhitman5786 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@unusualincidentsunit7428 ye as most of the Korean War era tanks were still only in testing during the near end of the war so this project of the war had dragged on for longer would have still been fucked one way or another

    • @ReviveHF
      @ReviveHF ปีที่แล้ว

      Patton tanks included M103 Heavy Tank as well, it can fire the most powerful APBC round in the world.

    • @jackcausey1449
      @jackcausey1449 7 หลายเดือนก่อน

      M46 not m47

  • @Teh0X
    @Teh0X 3 ปีที่แล้ว +19

    Chi-He - > Chi-Nu - > Chi-Nu II upgrade was impressive. Such small 20 ton tank with a capable gun would have the ideal for Japanese home islands back then.

  • @matthewmerriott4483
    @matthewmerriott4483 3 ปีที่แล้ว +21

    Love this channel always plenty of videos and content I love.
    On a side note if Cone Sees this comment can you do an object 279 video?
    Edit: Anyone else just like listening to Cone talk? It's a soothing voice.

    • @robinkhn2547
      @robinkhn2547 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      World of Tanks player spotted, am I right?

    • @matthewmerriott4483
      @matthewmerriott4483 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@robinkhn2547 I do indeed play but have gotten into war thunder and am starting to prefer it.

    • @DeliveryTank
      @DeliveryTank 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      What obj 279. The russian heavy with the turret on the back of the hull?

    • @matthewmerriott4483
      @matthewmerriott4483 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@DeliveryTank no the heavy designed to withstand a nuke with quad tracks

  • @aaronlillis7932
    @aaronlillis7932 3 ปีที่แล้ว +18

    I would love if you did a cursed by design on ships of the era

  • @williamgandarillas2185
    @williamgandarillas2185 3 ปีที่แล้ว +37

    2:39
    Didn’t know that Cheetos created Japanese Guns during WW2 ;-)

    • @Cbrmkn98xs
      @Cbrmkn98xs 3 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      @phantasm the tall man i think you misspelled “a cringey joke”

  • @HSstriker
    @HSstriker 3 ปีที่แล้ว +28

    I bet their final tank would be called the ho-ri-shit

    • @krixpop
      @krixpop 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      😂😅🤣😅😁😂
      I almost died of laughter !!!
      most underrated comment !

    • @oceanhome2023
      @oceanhome2023 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      Oh NO !!!
      You are a Laysiist ! a terwwible Wasist !!!!

    • @dinonuggiesguy4847
      @dinonuggiesguy4847 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      Ho-ri-fic!

  • @carized8852
    @carized8852 3 ปีที่แล้ว +18

    I never knew that the Ho-Ri with the center mounted casemate was called the Ho-Ri II. Wargaming had lied to me. Then again I'm not surprised. And assumed the Ho-Ri production/prototype used a different hull and not a Chi-Ri cause the sloped front. And Wargaming called that tank the Ho-Ri TII. Eh not a big deal, just a tank game.

    • @Calvin_Coolage
      @Calvin_Coolage 3 ปีที่แล้ว +7

      To be fair sources on the Ho-Ri are weird and inconsistent. Also Wargaming does love it's paper tanks.

    • @DeliveryTank
      @DeliveryTank 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      You moron, the Ho Ri with the center casemate is called the Ho Ri ll. The one with the casemate at the back is the Ho Ri l

    • @AJ-170SkyStriker
      @AJ-170SkyStriker 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      I wouldn't expect more from a company who calls the Object 726 an Object 279 (e)

    • @DeliveryTank
      @DeliveryTank 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      Nvm, just looked that the names in wotb and you were right

  • @whirlwindgaming6973
    @whirlwindgaming6973 3 ปีที่แล้ว +8

    It's a little funny how the Germans needed tank hunters to take out rare Soviet monsters like the IS series, and the Japanese made them to counter literally one of the most produced tanks in history.

  • @jaredrevis4594
    @jaredrevis4594 3 ปีที่แล้ว +9

    Great appreciation for going over this vehicle. The Japanese, particularly their tanks, are often reduced to simple-minded memes and as we can see from Italy this can't entirely be reduced to a language barrier with sources. I got my hands on a few Japanese magazines about it, and on the Chi-To, though those magazines are the hardest texts I've tried reading.
    I especially appreciate your dispelling the 88mm gun myth. It's a shame that even such big names as Zaloga have been repeating it. I can't help but wonder if it wasn't in part because of some naive attempt to make it out as Japan's Tiger. The obsession with that vehicle is a problem in itself...

  • @ambientghost2291
    @ambientghost2291 3 ปีที่แล้ว +8

    Next japanese tank, Chi-ri-Os.

  • @bejaminmaston1347
    @bejaminmaston1347 2 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    Germany: Tiger
    Murica: sherman
    Russia: t-34
    Japan:cheeto

  • @lymarromero895
    @lymarromero895 3 ปีที่แล้ว +10

    I remember this tank in Sudden Strike: Iwo Jima, this was an absolute beast...
    *NOW TALK ABOUT HISTORIC INACCURACY!*

  • @conservativemike3768
    @conservativemike3768 3 ปีที่แล้ว +9

    So... the Mexican tank was the Bu-Ri-To? Thank you, I’m here all week... try the veal.

    • @jdraven0890
      @jdraven0890 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      And don't forget to tip your waitress!

    • @1pcfred
      @1pcfred 3 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      Don't confuse the soft shell Bu-Ri-To motorized artillery gun platform with the harder shelled Ta-Co main battle tank.

    • @conservativemike3768
      @conservativemike3768 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@1pcfred / Who doesn’t like a good Ta-Co?

  • @the7observer
    @the7observer 3 ปีที่แล้ว +22

    6:27 - probably because the americans classified their tanks in light, medium, heavy by weight and not by role. So a Panther would be considered a heavy tank by american standarts while Germany used the classification by role

    • @shadowraven3253
      @shadowraven3253 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Isn't the pershing in the second world war a heavy for the US until later on?

    • @the7observer
      @the7observer 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@shadowraven3253 I have no idea if the US military changed it's nomenclature for tanks after WW2

    • @badgermcbadger1968
      @badgermcbadger1968 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@shadowraven3253 i think i heard somewhere that they changed the classification of the pershing to heavy to increase troop morale but im not sure

    • @InfernusdomniAZ
      @InfernusdomniAZ 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@shadowraven3253 the Pershing was classified as a heavy tank during world war two but after America and Britain saw the IS-3 at the victory parades and collectively shat themselves they both immediately started making heavier tanks to compete and the Pershing was reclassified as a medium.

  • @donpegar2645
    @donpegar2645 3 ปีที่แล้ว +8

    The problem with the chi-to was that when there got hit it turned into a chi-puff.

  • @mahouaniki4043
    @mahouaniki4043 3 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    Unfortunately (or fortunately for others), most of their steel were used to build Navy battleships. Tanks were kinda treated as "disliked step-son".

    • @MarketChange
      @MarketChange 3 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      Imagine how many Ha Go's they would have produced with the steel of Musashi and Yamato...

    • @yobob591
      @yobob591 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      I mean, to be entirely fair most of their fighting was on islands where tanks struggle and against China who basically didn’t have tanks, so they really made the right choice not wasting time making Tiger IIs or other big beefy things like Germany

    • @Blei1986
      @Blei1986 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@yobob591 true. instead of tanks they should have copied the bazooka or panzerfaust for their island warfare.
      not the stupid lungemine... lmao

  • @sevrela
    @sevrela 3 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Documentary about arl44 when

  • @bluemouse5039
    @bluemouse5039 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    What the Japanese needed more than a heavy tank was an effective light weight and mobile anti-tank weapon for their infantry like a recoilless rifle in 75 mm or larger or a panzer Faust type weapon, even if their new heavy tank was on equal with allied types, at that point of the war Japan could not make enough of those tanks
    to make any difference, also they lacked the steel and production capabilities to be making tanks and needed all their efforts toward just meeting their basic needs like ammunition and more practical weapons like mortars, machine guns,

  • @hiroshi3781
    @hiroshi3781 3 ปีที่แล้ว +6

    Do you actually read it as "CHEE-REEE"

  • @Prometheus19853
    @Prometheus19853 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Calling Japanese tanks bad in general demonstrates a distinct ignorance of effective tank design in context of the operating environment.
    Japanese tanks are bad on paper when compared to European/American tanks. In the context of island hopping campaigns in the Pacific? They're better by a mile. Shermans in the Pacific were about as useful as an MBT in the Amazon, or an M60 in a Vietnamese jungle, which is to say not very. Conventional mediums suffered from limited mobility compared to light tanks (and light mediums), to which the jungle and its terrain weren't much of an obstacle. The British found this out the hard way when Japanese lights were coming from directions they considered impassable to tanks... sound familiar?
    On top of that, the M2 and M3 lights were found to be superior in the confines of the jungles, where combat distances were often in the low double-digits. The only realistic advantage the M4 had was its 75mm HE shells, used to schwack IJA defensive positions that were otherwise immune to direct fire. Even then the Australians had a superior tank in the form of the Matilda II, surprisingly enough, which was both lighter and tougher than the M4 while still being able to pack a 3in. howitzer to the same effect. Where the M4 was vulnerable to ambush by IJA AT guns, which were numerous and often very well concealed, the Matilda was found to be able to shrug off most of these attacks while effectively retaliating. Bear in mind, they chose the Matilda after testing numerous tanks including the Sherman.
    The M4 was basically the late-model KV-1/early Panther of the Pacific, spending most of their time on transports or stuck somewhere while more effective tanks did the fighting.

  • @AverageOhioan1903
    @AverageOhioan1903 3 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    cheeto and the chi RRREEEEEEEE are my favourite japnese tanks and you cant tell me otherwise

  • @metrolima2584
    @metrolima2584 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Japan did focus on their navy, not on land power, If they build massive tanks I think they could have invaded Russia but they don't. instead, they are up against the U.S. in which they could never win because from the start of the war United States posses a RADAR. Radar is a small thing but it can change the result in war especially since the battleground is a huge Ocean. During when Japan bomb Pearl Harbor America already have a Radar.

  • @PhongChu-vm2ql
    @PhongChu-vm2ql 3 ปีที่แล้ว +6

    Maybe do a video about japanese amphibious tanks next ? You can consider doing about O-I (or Mi-To), it would definitely attract a lot of interests

  • @milhobeludo8053
    @milhobeludo8053 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Can you make a video a about the O-I the japanese super heavy tank?

  • @donberry7657
    @donberry7657 3 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    The craziest thing in comments on war machines are guys who think their armchair video games define the quality, combat readiness and effectiveness of real weapons and their crews in actual combat under war vtime conditions.

  • @kurumi394
    @kurumi394 3 ปีที่แล้ว +19

    The strongest tank the Japanese had were captured M3 Stuarts. They called them medium tanks.
    _Yes._

    • @NoOneAlive_
      @NoOneAlive_ 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      Wait, for real?

    • @PraetorianMan
      @PraetorianMan 2 ปีที่แล้ว +9

      @@NoOneAlive_ No, the Chi-Ha with the 47mm gun was straight up more powerful than the M3 Stuart. It probably did meet the Japanese standards for being a "medium", but it absolutely was not the "strongest tank" they had.

    • @NoOneAlive_
      @NoOneAlive_ 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@PraetorianMan Ahhh, I see

  • @reform-revolution
    @reform-revolution 3 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    give em points for the attempt then remove those points for thinking this would have worked with the tactics they often deployed during the war

  • @WASRGP
    @WASRGP 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    WAR THUNDER!! The Japanese and Italian tanks in that game are absofk'nlutely surprisingly epic! 🖤👊🏼🤘🏼✌🏼 Any doubters meet me in the game... Lmao! 🤣😈

  • @Zero-zb5ij
    @Zero-zb5ij 3 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Fun Fact: The Japanese felt as though they didn't need to have large tanks and focused solely on infantry fighting tanks because they territories they occupied often were dense jungles and small islands with little to no suitable terrain for large vehicles, but they made up for this by having large emplacement guns that they can conceal in major pathways into occupied islands. At the time, they didn't believe that tanks were a significant threat to their territory other than mainland territory which most of their tanks were deployed

  • @getdunced631
    @getdunced631 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    One thing to note is that Chi-Nu didn't arise directly from Chi-He. Failure to deliver a design quickly enough for Chi-To and Chi-Ri meant a stopgap tank featuring a 75mm AT gun was to built as quickly as possible. Resulting in Chi-Nu. This is why blueprints or rather renditions of the first Chi-To/Ri ideas feature what would become the Chi-Nu turret. Additionally the naming conventions used by Japan notably has Chi-Nu meanjng 10th Medium, Chi-Ri as 9th Medium, and Chi-To as the 7th. Chi-Chi or 8th Medium was not adopted due to being confusing.

  • @CMDRFandragon
    @CMDRFandragon 3 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Chi-To? Cheetoh!? Chi-To is the first Japanese tank I could take seriously in Men of War series of games.

  • @waffle-waffle5416
    @waffle-waffle5416 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    "Who need anti Sherman tank, just give next door Tanaka a bomb and told him to go under a tank and detonate it, problem solved" Japanese High Command at the time

  • @jamesonaudette528
    @jamesonaudette528 3 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Honestly some Japanese tanks look pretty cool but they suck

  • @dariustiapula
    @dariustiapula 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Imagine them assaulting an American position on the hill with dozens of this. Thinking they are gonna win the war. Than reality hits them on the face as they see hundreds upon hundreds of Sherman's ready to roll over them.

  • @argxz4200
    @argxz4200 3 ปีที่แล้ว +6

    I feel like the Chi Ri has had so much attention in the last month

  • @jjsheets330
    @jjsheets330 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    But did the designers ever figure out how to not get the orange powder on your fingers from the Cheetos tank?

  • @christophercao7027
    @christophercao7027 3 ปีที่แล้ว +6

    Japan: Finally! We have something that can kill Shermans!
    Pershing: Hello there

  • @mikep3180
    @mikep3180 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    This thing is as big as a tiger 2 yet not even half as good

  • @LuoSon312_G8
    @LuoSon312_G8 3 ปีที่แล้ว +10

    is it weird how much this tank's silhouette looks like modern tanks?

    • @derrickstorm6976
      @derrickstorm6976 3 ปีที่แล้ว +15

      Have you seen a modern tank?

    • @motmot8879
      @motmot8879 3 ปีที่แล้ว +8

      @@derrickstorm6976 i think he's from 1930

    • @drunkoutankou1273
      @drunkoutankou1273 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Idk pal most modern MBTs at least includes things like slope armor, and not this tall box with a track and a cannon.

    • @LuoSon312_G8
      @LuoSon312_G8 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      just saying,
      the IJA had a bad experience with tanks in Ww2, it's surprising that aside from the British Centurion mbt, the Chi-Ri's silhouette most closely looked more like the modern MBT silhouette than other tanks of the era.
      as i said, weird. idk.

    • @mercyful22
      @mercyful22 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      no. modern mbts can afford to have straight and weird shapes because of composite armor, era, nera and spacing. in addition, the positioning of the wheels resulting from the type of suspension used can resemble modern torsion bars. remove the "middle floor" and it would look a lot like some cold war mbts. obviously outdated, but still similar.

  • @panzerkampfwagenviiimaus5224
    @panzerkampfwagenviiimaus5224 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    I’m pretty sure there were ho-ri type 1-3 (search “Ho-ri t lll” for the type 3)

  • @beachside1
    @beachside1 3 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    I was just there with my German lineup in war thunder. The Ho Ri on war thunder shows it having a 105mm cannon

  • @tino897
    @tino897 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    The Ho-Ri line is depicted in some way in World of Tanks Blitz. Type 1-3. You can see them if you want. Probably not at all real by Type 2 but still something.

  • @jose-if7yw
    @jose-if7yw 3 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Love the sponsor Channel thanks for introducing me to them.

  • @alexander1485
    @alexander1485 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    his real name is not cone of arc lol Also, wonder what they thought about the Panther being a medium weighing like 50 tons lol

  • @cducks01
    @cducks01 3 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    Love these videos

  • @hadesdogs4366
    @hadesdogs4366 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Unfortunately people tend to forget the environments in which these tanks are made for, for example you wouldn’t drive on icy roads without snow chains and the same applies for tanks, the Japanese required small light weight tanks due to their amphibious style of warfare since having a massive tank on a landing craft isn’t ideal nor would it help in Forrest and swampy environments like China vs the Germans needs for heavy armor and firepower due to the open European theatre where medium panzers were heavy enough and mobile enough for most environments vs the tiger which was a dedicated tank hunter and outside of Africa and Europe it did fairly well, since being on the defensive doesn’t require you to run all over the place, the same applies to Italy whose tanks mostly suffered due to economical problems however were ideal for Italy’s mountainous environments

  • @jaxsullivan2117
    @jaxsullivan2117 3 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    3:16 "The CHITO" you'll thank me.
    Cheto tank.

    • @captainshid5464
      @captainshid5464 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      wow haha wow that's so funny bro wow so funny haha wow bro hilarious bro comedy gold haha wow bro

    • @jaxsullivan2117
      @jaxsullivan2117 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@captainshid5464 H

  • @jehoiakimelidoronila5450
    @jehoiakimelidoronila5450 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Never heard of a tank with a belt-fed *75mm* gun ...

    • @ONEIL311
      @ONEIL311 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      I mean it would be revolutionary lol

  • @jordangreenwade2931
    @jordangreenwade2931 3 ปีที่แล้ว +7

    You have to remember we(as in Americans) were mainly fielding 75mm Shermans in the Pacific. The Chi-ri would have been hell on the 75's

  • @agrohamburger7205
    @agrohamburger7205 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Everytime I see someone in War Thunder play the Chi-To. I always say that’s a yummy tank. Man. I do not miss playing War Thunder. That game sucks

  • @madcat789
    @madcat789 3 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    Could you go over the very first American tank, the M1919? That thing looks like a Hoverboard with a wheel in the back and a gun sticking out the front.

  •  3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    i know its not a good source, but in R.U.S.E the japanes description of the "Ho-Ri". Says this (Probably inspired by the German Jagdtiger's design, the Type 2 "Ho-Ri" heavy tank destroyer combines the Type 5 Chi-Ri medium tank chassis with additional paddings and a 105mm anti-tank gun to hull. Heavily armored, with huge range and firepower, the Type 2 "Ho-Ri" is also very expensive, very slow, and requires to be protected from infantry by an escort. The capitulation of Japan canceled the production of these heavy tank destroyers.) BUT i do belive it has more inspiration on the "Elephan/Ferdinand"

  • @impatientpatient8270
    @impatientpatient8270 3 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    this makes me want to rewatch girls und panzer and play the defvil snail's sick game

    • @maj.romuloortiz7832
      @maj.romuloortiz7832 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      If you can get Girls Und Panzer Dream Tank Match, that game is so fun 😃 😊

    • @deezboyeed6764
      @deezboyeed6764 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@maj.romuloortiz7832 i want it so bad but only got ps vita

  • @IronSalamander8
    @IronSalamander8 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Speaking of World of Tanks, I enjoyed the Chi-Ri with the autoloader main gun option. Big target with not so hot armor, but that rapid-fire popgun served me well!
    I have the Osprey book on Japanese tanks that mentions this and so many of their other vehicles and projects. Very interesting stuff.

  • @skysunknownheroes
    @skysunknownheroes 3 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Wow i just realized that sensha-manual blog is written by a korean mom

  • @monticore1626
    @monticore1626 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    I think most content creators just don't research Japanese tanks due to the language barrier thankyou for pushing past that and making this video

  • @GSC-Operator-chan
    @GSC-Operator-chan 3 ปีที่แล้ว +8

    If only Mai Waffentrager was here to help you research this. She was the go-to person for this kind of information. 😔

    • @ConeOfArc
      @ConeOfArc  3 ปีที่แล้ว +8

      I've heard some conflicting things about her research so I'm not sure I would trust her information 100%

    • @CleveAneki
      @CleveAneki 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Mai has been caught fabricating and altering documents to suit their purposes, which has essentially gutted their credibility among most people.

  • @AsbestosMuffins
    @AsbestosMuffins 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    i mean, you're japan, its the later half of the war, so you bring out something to kill M5 light tanks and M4 mediums, if you're the US you just bring some M4A2s and M4A3's in and now you're back to square one

  • @wongyc5585
    @wongyc5585 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    There are no open terrain in Pacific Islands other than Japan mainland itself. The japanese have no resources on tank either which was devoted to build IJN Yamato and Musahi. Nevertheless after the war, the japanese used their experience on Chi To to create Type 74, 61 and 90 tank.

  • @josephburke7224
    @josephburke7224 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    One reason Japanese tanks were light had to do with the many small islands where troops were posted. Most, if not all had adaptable floats to get them ashore.
    A tank this large would have required some sort of port facilities to move it to the many islands.
    For home islands it could have been useful providing tactics were good. But Sherman's would have outnumbered them. As we moved closer to the home islands, more Sherman's were deployed. I am not sure. But I think 3 armored divisions were listed as part of operation olympic.

  • @wyvernbravo
    @wyvernbravo 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Japanese and Chinaese tanks have names given to them by michael Jackson such as the CHI-HI

  • @mattwilliams3456
    @mattwilliams3456 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    I can shit picture a US soldier seeing a Japanese tank rumbling towards him and yelling to a buddy “Ho-Ri, shit!”

  • @TouHuskyYang
    @TouHuskyYang 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    The Teir 7 Chi Ri with the Type 5 75 mm L/56.4 autoloader is 2 teirs higher than the M4 Sherman of course it's better.

  • @Tsuchimursu
    @Tsuchimursu 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Drives me nuts how all these one of a kind prototypes just got scrapped by militaries as gun targets instead of put in collections

  • @tysonchickennuggets
    @tysonchickennuggets 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    In the ho-ri drawing u shouted. It was written using a Japanese alphabet that is used for words that come from sound or foreign words.

  • @CanadianCCP
    @CanadianCCP 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Damn, i checked his sources and they are spammed by videogame nerds in the comment sections. Does every article about tanks need to have losers talking about war thunder or world of tanks?

  • @Patrick_Cooper
    @Patrick_Cooper ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Anyone else think that Type 4 Cheeto sounds a lot like a middle schoolers favorite lunch, Cheetos... 1:45 for reference.

  • @sinisterisrandom8537
    @sinisterisrandom8537 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Chi stands for Medium To stands for 4th
    4th Generation Medium Tank
    Very similar to that of German tank designation
    Ex Panzer IV Ausf A
    4th Tank Model A
    For those curious.

  • @eisernenfuchs123
    @eisernenfuchs123 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    When your videos trigger War Thunder flashbacks....
    Keep em rollin'!

  • @matthewwadwell6100
    @matthewwadwell6100 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    You mentioned the Japanese response to the Allied medium tanks, and commented that the Italian tanks were pretty bad - but you missed the Italian P26/40 "Heavy" tank (which was in reality a medium tank).
    What about doing a video on the P26/40, as it was actually produced and used in combat (admittedly, the majority as pillboxes as they lacked engines).

  • @nagaykei6611
    @nagaykei6611 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Try doing the VT 1-2 I’m kinda curious about how that leopardxStrv boogaloo even came to be

  • @Phapchamp
    @Phapchamp 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    This entire video: There is this but no source lmao

  • @xcritic9671
    @xcritic9671 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    if you're not going to field enough armor to stop an american 75, why bother having *almost* enough, thats what I don't get. I mean what other good are you going to get out of it?

  • @TalkingGIJoe
    @TalkingGIJoe 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Think about this... there is a war, all nations of the world are at each others throats... but industries still honored licensing of production of specific items...

  • @mosesracal6758
    @mosesracal6758 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Me as Japan in HOI4 going against the Soviet Union: YOUR T-34 STANDS NO CHANCE

  • @Pugiron
    @Pugiron 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    "Sherman Desperate Countermeasure" would be the non=clickbait title

  • @azukiants
    @azukiants 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I take out russian and german tanks using japanese but i also take out most tanks using Sdkz something basically the german car tank

  • @krinnge
    @krinnge 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    every body gangsta until black and white picture starts moving
    edit: 2:20