As someone watching this scene for the millionth time, I absolutely love how flawed Lizzy is. The reason why we love her is that she's sassy, elegant, well-mannered but doesn't hesitate to speak her mind. However, she is not that perfect character. Here she doesn't surprise everyone by proving herself in everything even though she comes from a middle class family. She's not perfect at music or fine arts. She loves reading books, and learning or teaching, enjoys talking to people and spend time with them, but she's not talented in everything. This is so much relatable for a female character. Some classical female characters are depicted as talented and perfect in everything, however they are so weak when it comes to defending themselves or just being honest. Lizzy is such a beautiful character and I love every bit of her scenes.
Yes, Lizzy is not perfect; this is very astute analysis. Note that Georgiana _is_ held up as such a paragon (though whether she merits it in fact is not 100 per cent clear). Still, a full on female paragon was considered rare even by the Darcy crowd. Darcy knew of no more than six paragons and the Bingley sisters talked about them as real, if rare people. Lizzy quite rightly says that no such women actually existed. It's part of Austen's genius, because there is little doubt that Darcy, at least, is being sincere if unaware that he has not actually met such women even if he thinks he has. This satirizes what probably were real conversations among early 18th century gentry; especially the "upper" portions that probably puffed themselves up beyond their actual deserts; in Darcy's case, sincerely and unconsciously. (I even wonder, as I type this, as to whether Darcy saw the justice of Lizzy's remark and began to reevaluate what an ideal woman might _actually_ be like -- it would be within Austen's powers to have the exchange do double duty after all).
Enjoyable comment, however I would like to mention that the Bennets pulled in something like 2,000 pounds per year. Bingly was only 2 to 2.5 richer than Mr. Bennet. So Lizzy was not middle class. They were all part of the England's top 1% of high earners.
They did such a good job as establishing Lady Catherine as an intimidating presence despite her limited screen-time. I read that all of Judi Dench's scenes had to be filmed within a week's time, which helped with the tense feeling in these scenes.
@@susanwhite7474 true but I felt like Jane Austen obviously based their poverty on herself, I think in this movie they made her closer to Jane Austen's own poverty, when it should've been more of genteel poverty
It was Lady Catherine that made brought the Lizzy out of Lizzy. As Darcy mentioned, she was a wit who was not intimidated by anybody. Least of all by Darcy, who didn't have her social skills.
I don't know why but Lizzie's "perhaps you should take your aunt's advice and practice" sounds like it stings more than her rejecting his proposal lol. It's so playful but it has teeth!
A great scene. Austen doesn't just show us that Lady Catherine is arrogant and a snob. Despite her upper-class education under a governess, Lady Catherine is lacking the one thing that genteel education was supposed to teach her, which is manners. She behaves towards others in a way that Austen would call "ill-bred". She grills people, not just Lizzie, like a drill sergeant, and she is rude in asking Lizzie such personal questions in front of others. She shows scorn at Lizzie's lack of accomplishments in her education, such as drawing, yet admits that she can't play an instrument herself and neither can her adored only daughter. Of course Lady C doesnt see that she is being at all hypocritical. In fact Lizzie is arguably better educated than Lady C., because Lizzie can at least play the piano a bit. The wealthy Bingley sister(s) are also snobs who enjoy looking down on others. Austen loved to show her audience that true gentility is never about birth titles or riches. Or even being very talented, cultured and "proficient" in the arts. It all starts with genuine respect for others.
Bad manners like this is intriguingly common. The blunt truth is, going by contemporaneous novels like Austen's and through to the Victorian era and beyond, manners are optional to one's social inferiors. The more inferior, the less manners are owed, and, often less showed. It was presumably part of putting inferiors in their place. While we never see it, it is likely Lady C shows impeccable manners to her equals and superiors. Remember that, formally at least, as a noblewoman, she was socially superior to everyone in the book she actually encountered. Including Darcy. I don't dispute your analysis of what Austen thought of this; I simply note that it is at least modestly subversive to her time and even beyond her time.
Jane Austen was a master observer of human behaviour. Her novels are often labelled romances, which they are, but even more than that they are comedies of manners.
@@curious968Lady Catherine isn't exactly noble. She was married to a baronet, which is one down from the lowest rank of nobility, baron. Colonel Fitzwilliam, being the younger son of an earl is actually posher than Lady C, because he could potentially inherit the earldom, if an unfortunate accident happened to his brother. A bit later in the 19th Century, younger sons of Earls and above were referred to as Lord Christian-name Surname.
@@DanBeech-ht7swactually not, younger son had potential but until they inherit, they are actually lower than daughter of an earl, hence daughter of an earl was Lady, while younger son are simple Hon. mr in social setting only simple mr. she has every right to be snobbish, as daughter of an earl she outranked baroness and rank behind Viscountess
@@DanBeech-ht7swyounger son of an earl wasn't given the lord title, only Marquess and above. for example, Denys Finch Hatton, he was younger son of 13th Earl of Winchilsea, he is just Hon. Mr Finch Hatton, in social setting just Mr. Finch Hatton, his sister was Lady Gladys finch hatton
Head-on collision of the two worst actresses in modern cinema. Neither seem to have read the novel and it probably wouldn't have made much difference if they had. They were intent on producing a farce and they succeeded spectacularly.
Lady Catherine' behaviour depicted the very idea of room reading and making someone uncomfortable through embarrassing comments and judgment, the very prejudice that Darcy constructed about Elizabeth's mother through their first meeting. Chivalry was missing even from the class he himself belonged, the scene depicted that very fluently
No matter which adaptation of P and P I come across, I always look forward to this scene because it shows Lizzie at possibly her wittiest. She knows exactly what to say and when to say it without going off a 'improper ledge' whilst still giving her opinions decidedly as Lady Catherine says, and toes that line marvelously :):)
@@samanthasmith61 Who would that be? Lizzy? Darcy? Lady Catherine? Lizzy was anything but stupid. She could not have played her hand better if her banter was calculated to win Darcy over. Not that it was.
@@Kermit_T_Frog Lizzy and Darcy, both arrogant, idiots who hate to admit their own feeling without being prejudiced insufferable, Lady Catherine might just be both of them at old age
@@Kermit_T_Frog Indeed. I have always been intrigued by this facet of Lizzie's character. She should have been overawed by her social "betters" or at least feigned it well, but she wasn't and didn't. It was, in a strange way, a kind of foreshadowing. She was destined to marry "above her station" and somehow, rejecting Collins (a _very_ brave move in her circumstances) and not being overborne by Lady Catherine, she showed, however unwittingly, who she was going to become, be it with Darcy or someone else. Consider this: Rejecting Collins could have easily subjected her and the family to privation and genteel poverty had her farther died. That did happen and not just in Austen's fiction.
I just realized (years later and having seen this movie a dozen times) Lady Catherine told Charlotte that she could play the pianoforte in the housekeeper's room because she'd be in nobody's way. Um. Yes, she would. She'd be in the housekeeper's way. And there are probably drawing rooms all over the house that barely ever see use, and some of them likely have pianofortes, so this offer that was clearly intended to show how magnanimous she was is actually exceedingly rude and condescending.
Unequivocally one of my all-time favorite movies. Just so sumptuously and magnificently wonderful to watch over and over again. And the soundtrack, goodness the soundtrack, is so deserving of it's Oscar.
The Reverend Collins already told Lady Catherine about Lizzy and her family, so she knew who was coming to dinner. Lady Catherine probably also knew that Lizzy had previously rejected Collins's marriage proposal. The dinner conversation was an attempt to reinforce to Darcy that Lizzy is not one of their class. Darcy seems oblivious to his supposed engagement to his cousin Anne.
And her plan backfired because Lizzy is not a kind a girl who could easily intimidated by anything. She nicely stood her ground and enchanted Darcy more😂
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Consider watching it from another perspective: as their mother didn't encouraged her daughters in drawing and everything else, Lizzie is well educated... and this as it is shows how strong Lizzie is. She wasn't forced. She did it by her own. And THIS is a "marriageble" woman (Sorry for my english - it's not my native language).
@ Mother could not encourage daughters in too much of anything. Their Mother seemed to have very little talents herself, probably other than looking good during her younger days ---- which how she hooked Mr. Bennet. Anything nearing common sense that Lizzy acquired was picked up from her Father or by mirroring other relations and friends. Charlotte Lucas Collins, who was seven years older than Lizzy had more logical thinking than Lizzy or Jane or Mrs. Bennet.
@@annkey4091 Agreed She is her father's daughter. And he supported her in her decision to turn down the Pastor Collins, her cousin. Which her best friend, Charlotte later married. She, Charlotte was logical and very practical. .... I get the impression the women even from the upper classes were not extensively or well educated back then.
"I am well enough acquainted with you, to know that I CANNOT alarm you, even if wish to do so". Mr. Darcy Then Lady Katherine try coming at Elizabeth Bennet like that not knowing her inside are made of rock solid steel, without the blanket of "wealth/status". Elizabeth knows her worth and therefore are not thrown off easily and Lady Katherine knows this, hence trying to belittling Elizabeth, while being aware that her own daughter is a little weakling
I've seen this many times but only now noticed that Lizzie doesn't get to taste her soup, due to Lady C's relentless interrogation, until she finally shuts her up and then takes a rather triumphant sip 😄 Also, Darcy's little glance towards his aunt at 35:31, as if discreetly willing her to stop questioning his beloved 😊
Also, I noticed Charlotte's reaction to Lizzy's closing line: not wanting to reveal her age "with three younger sisters grown up." Charlotte is a 27 year old newlywed, so I think she found Lizzie's comment a little insulting.
I love this interpretation of Pride and Prejudice on screen. The best of all the other movie versions... Brilliant actors who were committed to the integrity of their respective character and the context as a whole
I didn’t like how they dressed or made Elizabeth appear in this scene. They made her seem impoverished. She was from a decent middle class family, yet her “whatever she owned that is best” dress looks poorly made and her hair looks ragged.
This is one of many reasons why this version P and P isn't the best one, no matter what people say. I enjoy it for many reasons, but faithful to Austen it is not. There's a reason the 95 is the definitive.
“whatever she owned that is best” was the best that she happened to bring with her for her stay with Collinses. She may not have been anticipating dinner with Lady Catherine de Bourgh and her daughter and Charlotte did not tell her of the possibility of the meeting.
@@annkey4091 Considering the time period, she absolutely would have known, it didn't need to be verbalized. This was a very common thing to happen during that time, and Lizzie is smart cookie, so she knows. But the issue isn't whatever her best is, it's that this film specifically painted the Bennetts as poor...but they weren't. They were the middle class of their day, so it would have been something a good few notches better than what looks nearly like a potato sack. But even then, the 1% still viewed even solidly middle class people as 'peasants' and not someone to entangle with on a social level.
Every time I see a clip from this movie the comments are filled with people that "vastly prefer the BBC adaptation" like...okay? We get it, this one's "too modern", but why are yall always here instead of on clips of your favorite adaptations complimenting it without throwing any of the others under the bus? Asking as a huge fan of the book, why does this adaptation simply existing bother you so much? Just enjoy what you like, you don't need to write a whole dissertation about what you don't where people that do gather
@@Refusetodyethegray I agree :-) At 1st I said I loved the 1995 one so much. The actors the the music etc . Then along came 2005. They were both excellant .I have watched both of them a lot.
I agree. The 1995 made me love the book, but I cannot watch it over and over and over like I do with this version. I don't understand the hate. I think this was perfectly cast with a perfect soundtrack and can I mention the brilliant cinematography? The only thing I think the 95 series does better is the accuracy since they could film more without cutting scenes from the original, but I just LOOOOOOVE this. It isn't even 'glamorised'/'hollywoodised' but instead down to earth... chef's kiss!
I'm USA, and I will never tire of a good British period piece. The only thing missing from this movie (either modern day version) is Emma Thompson. Jane Austen's pro-feminine, forward way of thinking and writing was incredible. Of the half dozen or so of screen adaptations that have been produced, my favorite still remains the Colin Firth/Jennifer Ehle masterpiece. It was a delight for me to see them together again years later (although not opposite each other), in another British masterpiece; 'The King's Speech'.
"For music is my delight. In fact there are few people in England who have more true enjoyment of music than myself, or better natural taste. If I had ever learned, I should have been a great proficient." - The. Best. Line. Of. The. Movie.
It feels very Baroque to me, as the furniture and the room (the Heaven Room of Burghley House was painted during the 1680s) are in that style. Minus the costumes of course. This film is just so beautiful though.
Her Ladyship knew Darcy like her. She seemed very intentional about hammering on the inferiority of her birth, and insists she plays the pianoforte even if she knows that she is miserable on it. I love Lizzie's reply when she said, "Lady Catherine I'm not afflicted with false modesty." It's the same thing Darcy notices when he said "You are too generous to trifle with my emotions". Meaning Elizabeth always says what she means. She doesn't play a coy girl by saying what she doesn't mean just to be pursued. She also reiterates this during Collins proposal.
Lady DeB must have heard rumors about her. This was her chance to assess her. Mr. Darcy ignores Mr. Collins in order to talk to Elizabeth! Too funny for words.
@@isobelduncan This encounter was before his first proposal. I think at that point, Mr. Collins generally rambled on to Catherine about Lizzie and her family.
{ “ Mr. Collins ,, you can’t sit next to your wife !! Move ! Over there . “ } I laugh 😂🤣🤣 every time I hear her say that . ( I’m always expecting Collins to say “why the hell not?” )
@@gitanjalianand3543 People had a different view of social gatherings and interaction back then . Imagine being at a wedding reception nowadays, and the bride says to you- “ you can’t sit next to your wife . “ Would you say something? Or do what she said . I know what I’d say - honey , get your things . We’re outta here!! And bring the gift that we brought ! 🤣
@@gitanjalianand3543 It’s impolite to sit next to someone you are familiar with on a daily basis, because the point of a Soiree is for everyone to gather and socialize, which means that preferably, they socialize with new people and make everyone present an acquaintance. Even the communication they did is very rude since Lady Catherine did not address the people next to her but rather address Elizabeth Bennet who sits so far away.
0:38- Ever since I saw this movie as a kid...I have always wondered...could Charlotte have possibly 'gulped' out of relief? Thinking "Thank you Lord Jesus, she went for Lizzie first and not me!" ............or was there just a lot of fluid in the actress's mouth in this scene😶
I've always wondered why it was that Lady Catherine never learned to play the pianoforte! How could this Earl's daughter possibly lack the means or the instruction to learn something which even the most middle-class girls learned as a matter of course?
i mean 💀 Jane Austen rarely met Earl's daughter i think, but she did met Lady Elizabeth Murray ( Dido Belle's cousin) although she didn't say a lot, Jane Austen noted that "her eloquence lies in her finger, it was most fluently harmonious" she is like complete opposite of Lady Catherine. and she didn't snob Jane Austen at least, we forgot that Jane Austen was in a very low social standing compared to Lady Elizabeth, the only reason they could even meet was because Edward Austen Knight was adopted by their distant rich cousin. in the eyes of Aristocrat, they should be like Emma when she saw the merchant family
@Ellen March 🤔 I believe it and it explains how critical she is about Georgiana and Charlotte practicing. I bet after the Collins and Elizabeth left. Lady Catherine probably said "Oh, the poor Bennett girl can't play the piano. She won't find a husband that way." To show Darcy how there's no hope for him and Elizabeth 😕
Im not sure if this historically accurate, but the mannerism and respect is amazing. Regardless if certain characters appeared overwhelming bc of their social status. I mean fast forward to this age, whether you are in a wealthy affluent setting, or casual layed back setting, you would never see such respect and honor among friends and family. Now one may say we have evolved, we are more casual today, free will, and open, not so formal and stuffy.....but to be honest I think todays standards are barbaric compared to this 1800 century time period, they were way more advanced. In other words we modern day people have no class. A lost of art.
Fun facts: In the book, it was Colonel Fitzwilliam who asked Lizzie to play the pianoforte after dinner, not Lady Catherine. Also, the colonel and Darcy are cousins in the book, not friends as the movie portrays.
I absolutely Love ❤ this movie, I've lost count of how many times I've watched it. This is the first time that I have noticed that, when col. Fitzwilliam introduces himself & says " col. Fitzwilliam, how do you do", one of the birds in the background answers & says "pretty good"😄😂 so funny😄 I keep rewinding it & laughing 😂😂 ahh it's the little things😂😂
That is wildly adorable! And kudos to the cast for not bursting out laughing in that take - love that they kept it in the movie! And love this film to bits ❤❤
We learn later that Darcy came to Rosings specifically to see Lizzie (in this scene), but it remains unclear to me exactly how he knew Lizzie would be there.
Love this version! Still not sure why Mr. Collins couldn't sit next to his wife, though. Like, why was that inappropriate? Wouldn't it have been more inappropriate to seat unattached persons next to each other? Disclaimer: I know no English etiquette rules.
This is still a formal dinner party etiquette rule in the US - spouses sit separately so people will talk to each other and not primarily their spouses.
I think Lady deB wanted Darcy sit next to Lizzy. Later, when Lizzy was at the piano, she called Darcy's friend leaving Lizzy and Darcy just to themselves. Her visit with the Bennets was the last trial for Lizzy after which she told Darcy about the conversation, and he dared to come. This is how it appears in this adaptation, I haven't read the book.
I never know why film directors make a film of a classic and then change the dialogue with their own version. Jane Austen produced a masterpiece and the actors were excellent in this film, it's a shame they couldnt just have stuck to the book.
Charlotte literally turns her head as Elizabeth is turning her head. Meaning they both understood the connotation behind the question of her skills from Lady DuBerg and also Mr. Collins wincing a bit at the questions! Lol! I also like how Mr. Collins’s tries to deflect from Elizabeth’a “impoliteness/astonishment”, by trying to direct focus to him. Very interesting in the body language of the time.
I don't think Mr. Collins is observant enough to do something as polite as deflecting Elizabeth's reaction by directing focus to him. He just wants to direct focus to him. He's all about bumping elbows with the wealthy people. Darcy's reaction to Mr. Collins is as if he was an annoying fly in the room.
Lady Catherine is a comical character, albeit a bit intimidating. Here she is just unpleasant. This version almost completely lacks the comedy of manners aspect of Jane Austen work. It's just a watered down romance. And Keira's Lizzie is no way different than the rest of her family in behavior and manners, which she should be because that's exactly what attracts Darcy to her.
I liked the book and watched the movie. Um not the same. I have seen many of the films from the past but i love this version. It more a love story that is modern ish
Lady C asks Lizzy to play the piano to try and humilate her infront of everyone, especially Darcy as Lizzy has told her that she plays very little very poorly. one wouldnt ask anyone like that to play infront of others. She wanted to see her humiliated. she wanted to emphasize her lack of skills and education infront of her nephew. i think she felt a little insecure because Darcy knew her.
because dinner seating arrangements are A) to show rank and favor with the host, and B) to encourage discussion. Why seat husband and wife together when they already (supposedly) know everything there is to know about each other. Much better to split them up so as to have better dinner conversation flowing. (from the perspective of centuries-old dining etiquette, not necessarily my modern opinion)
As someone watching this scene for the millionth time, I absolutely love how flawed Lizzy is. The reason why we love her is that she's sassy, elegant, well-mannered but doesn't hesitate to speak her mind. However, she is not that perfect character. Here she doesn't surprise everyone by proving herself in everything even though she comes from a middle class family. She's not perfect at music or fine arts. She loves reading books, and learning or teaching, enjoys talking to people and spend time with them, but she's not talented in everything. This is so much relatable for a female character. Some classical female characters are depicted as talented and perfect in everything, however they are so weak when it comes to defending themselves or just being honest. Lizzy is such a beautiful character and I love every bit of her scenes.
Yes, Lizzy is not perfect; this is very astute analysis. Note that Georgiana _is_ held up as such a paragon (though whether she merits it in fact is not 100 per cent clear).
Still, a full on female paragon was considered rare even by the Darcy crowd. Darcy knew of no more than six paragons and the Bingley sisters talked about them as real, if rare people. Lizzy quite rightly says that no such women actually existed. It's part of Austen's genius, because there is little doubt that Darcy, at least, is being sincere if unaware that he has not actually met such women even if he thinks he has.
This satirizes what probably were real conversations among early 18th century gentry; especially the "upper" portions that probably puffed themselves up beyond their actual deserts; in Darcy's case, sincerely and unconsciously.
(I even wonder, as I type this, as to whether Darcy saw the justice of Lizzy's remark and began to reevaluate what an ideal woman might _actually_ be like -- it would be within Austen's powers to have the exchange do double duty after all).
Enjoyable comment, however I would like to mention that the Bennets pulled in something like 2,000 pounds per year. Bingly was only 2 to 2.5 richer than Mr. Bennet. So Lizzy was not middle class. They were all part of the England's top 1% of high earners.
@@curious968 Georgiana lacks discernment and the ability to see another's flaws while Lizzy is excellent at laying them bare.
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Flawed she is not.. awesome she is.
They did such a good job as establishing Lady Catherine as an intimidating presence despite her limited screen-time. I read that all of Judi Dench's scenes had to be filmed within a week's time, which helped with the tense feeling in these scenes.
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Yeah, I agree - they went overboard on the poverty aspect of their genteel poverty
@@susanwhite7474 true but I felt like Jane Austen obviously based their poverty on herself, I think in this movie they made her closer to Jane Austen's own poverty, when it should've been more of genteel poverty
It was Lady Catherine that made brought the Lizzy out of Lizzy. As Darcy mentioned, she was a wit who was not intimidated by anybody. Least of all by Darcy, who didn't have her social skills.
Judi Dench is a force. The beginning of that scene as the camera moves on her side profile is brilliant.
I don't know why but Lizzie's "perhaps you should take your aunt's advice and practice" sounds like it stings more than her rejecting his proposal lol. It's so playful but it has teeth!
It's because his confession was such a vulnerability.
The quote should have ended with "bio.....tch!"
Then goes back to playing horrible piano music.
A great scene.
Austen doesn't just show us that Lady Catherine is arrogant and a snob. Despite her upper-class education under a governess, Lady Catherine is lacking the one thing that genteel education was supposed to teach her, which is manners. She behaves towards others in a way that Austen would call "ill-bred". She grills people, not just Lizzie, like a drill sergeant, and she is rude in asking Lizzie such personal questions in front of others. She shows scorn at Lizzie's lack of accomplishments in her education, such as drawing, yet admits that she can't play an instrument herself and neither can her adored only daughter. Of course Lady C doesnt see that she is being at all hypocritical. In fact Lizzie is arguably better educated than Lady C., because Lizzie can at least play the piano a bit.
The wealthy Bingley sister(s) are also snobs who enjoy looking down on others. Austen loved to show her audience that true gentility is never about birth titles or riches. Or even being very talented, cultured and "proficient" in the arts. It all starts with genuine respect for others.
Bad manners like this is intriguingly common. The blunt truth is, going by contemporaneous novels like Austen's and through to the Victorian era and beyond, manners are optional to one's social inferiors. The more inferior, the less manners are owed, and, often less showed. It was presumably part of putting inferiors in their place.
While we never see it, it is likely Lady C shows impeccable manners to her equals and superiors. Remember that, formally at least, as a noblewoman, she was socially superior to everyone in the book she actually encountered. Including Darcy.
I don't dispute your analysis of what Austen thought of this; I simply note that it is at least modestly subversive to her time and even beyond her time.
Jane Austen was a master observer of human behaviour. Her novels are often labelled romances, which they are, but even more than that they are comedies of manners.
@@curious968Lady Catherine isn't exactly noble. She was married to a baronet, which is one down from the lowest rank of nobility, baron.
Colonel Fitzwilliam, being the younger son of an earl is actually posher than Lady C, because he could potentially inherit the earldom, if an unfortunate accident happened to his brother.
A bit later in the 19th Century, younger sons of Earls and above were referred to as Lord Christian-name Surname.
@@DanBeech-ht7swactually not, younger son had potential but until they inherit, they are actually lower than daughter of an earl, hence daughter of an earl was Lady, while younger son are simple Hon. mr in social setting only simple mr.
she has every right to be snobbish, as daughter of an earl she outranked baroness and rank behind Viscountess
@@DanBeech-ht7swyounger son of an earl wasn't given the lord title, only Marquess and above.
for example, Denys Finch Hatton, he was younger son of 13th Earl of Winchilsea, he is just Hon. Mr Finch Hatton, in social setting just Mr. Finch Hatton, his sister was Lady Gladys finch hatton
Absolutely the best! Their chemistry is unmatched. I could watch this movie a hundred more time and never tire of it.
Head-on collision of the two worst actresses in modern cinema. Neither seem to have read the novel and it probably wouldn't have made much difference if they had. They were intent on producing a farce and they succeeded spectacularly.
@@huolalupin6008Huh? Dench? Knightly? “ Two worst actresses in modern cinema? What a silly comment.
Agree
The best part of that scene was the way the chicken feather on Charlotte's head wobbled and wiggled as they are walking toward the drawing room.
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For a long time I thought it was a bird or prop bird she put in her hair to help decorate it 😂😅
Henderson, yes it was a fascinating fascinator ‼️
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It was a mistake and only served to distract, to no useful purpose.
Lady Catherine' behaviour depicted the very idea of room reading and making someone uncomfortable through embarrassing comments and judgment, the very prejudice that Darcy constructed about Elizabeth's mother through their first meeting. Chivalry was missing even from the class he himself belonged, the scene depicted that very fluently
5:08 Charlotte's genuine gratitude at the "kindness" 😓
No matter which adaptation of P and P I come across, I always look forward to this scene because it shows Lizzie at possibly her wittiest. She knows exactly what to say and when to say it without going off a 'improper ledge' whilst still giving her opinions decidedly as Lady Catherine says, and toes that line marvelously :):)
It was this scene that showed how formidable a character Lizzy was. Not to be intimidated by Lady Catherine. Even less by Darcy.
@@Kermit_T_Frog equal in stpdity and Prejudiced
@@samanthasmith61 Who would that be? Lizzy? Darcy? Lady Catherine? Lizzy was anything but stupid. She could not have played her hand better if her banter was calculated to win Darcy over. Not that it was.
@@Kermit_T_Frog Lizzy and Darcy, both arrogant, idiots who hate to admit their own feeling without being prejudiced insufferable, Lady Catherine might just be both of them at old age
@@Kermit_T_Frog Indeed. I have always been intrigued by this facet of Lizzie's character. She should have been overawed by her social "betters" or at least feigned it well, but she wasn't and didn't.
It was, in a strange way, a kind of foreshadowing. She was destined to marry "above her station" and somehow, rejecting Collins (a _very_ brave move in her circumstances) and not being overborne by Lady Catherine, she showed, however unwittingly, who she was going to become, be it with Darcy or someone else.
Consider this: Rejecting Collins could have easily subjected her and the family to privation and genteel poverty had her farther died. That did happen and not just in Austen's fiction.
I just realized (years later and having seen this movie a dozen times) Lady Catherine told Charlotte that she could play the pianoforte in the housekeeper's room because she'd be in nobody's way. Um. Yes, she would. She'd be in the housekeeper's way. And there are probably drawing rooms all over the house that barely ever see use, and some of them likely have pianofortes, so this offer that was clearly intended to show how magnanimous she was is actually exceedingly rude and condescending.
made Darcy realise he did not have the best in the box when it came to relatives. He was part of a normal dysfunctional family.
Indeed!!!! Such a privileged old witch!!
Unequivocally one of my all-time favorite movies. Just so sumptuously and magnificently wonderful to watch over and over again. And the soundtrack, goodness the soundtrack, is so deserving of it's Oscar.
The Reverend Collins already told Lady Catherine about Lizzy and her family, so she knew who was coming to dinner. Lady Catherine probably also knew that Lizzy had previously rejected Collins's marriage proposal. The dinner conversation was an attempt to reinforce to Darcy that Lizzy is not one of their class. Darcy seems oblivious to his supposed engagement to his cousin Anne.
And to show Mr. Darcy that Miss Elizabeth is not such a great catch by the standards of the day.
And her plan backfired because Lizzy is not a kind a girl who could easily intimidated by anything. She nicely stood her ground and enchanted Darcy more😂
Consider watching it from another perspective: as their mother didn't encouraged her daughters in drawing and everything else, Lizzie is well educated... and this as it is shows how strong Lizzie is. She wasn't forced. She did it by her own. And THIS is a "marriageble" woman (Sorry for my english - it's not my native language).
@ Mother could not encourage daughters in too much of anything. Their Mother seemed to have very little talents herself, probably other than looking good during her younger days ---- which how she hooked Mr. Bennet. Anything nearing common sense that Lizzy acquired was picked up from her Father or by mirroring other relations and friends. Charlotte Lucas Collins, who was seven years older than Lizzy had more logical thinking than Lizzy or Jane or Mrs. Bennet.
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Agreed
She is her father's daughter.
And he supported her in her decision to turn down the Pastor Collins, her cousin. Which her best friend, Charlotte later married. She, Charlotte was logical and very practical.
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I get the impression the women even from the upper classes were not extensively or well educated back then.
"I am well enough acquainted with you, to know that I CANNOT alarm you, even if wish to do so". Mr. Darcy
Then Lady Katherine try coming at Elizabeth Bennet like that not knowing her inside are made of rock solid steel, without the blanket of "wealth/status". Elizabeth knows her worth and therefore are not thrown off easily and Lady Katherine knows this, hence trying to belittling Elizabeth, while being aware that her own daughter is a little weakling
I've seen this many times but only now noticed that Lizzie doesn't get to taste her soup, due to Lady C's relentless interrogation, until she finally shuts her up and then takes a rather triumphant sip 😄
Also, Darcy's little glance towards his aunt at 35:31, as if discreetly willing her to stop questioning his beloved 😊
Also, I noticed Charlotte's reaction to Lizzy's closing line: not wanting to reveal her age "with three younger sisters grown up." Charlotte is a 27 year old newlywed, so I think she found Lizzie's comment a little insulting.
This is one of my favorite scenes from the movies. I like the strong character of Miss Elizabeth.
I love this interpretation of Pride and Prejudice on screen. The best of all the other movie versions... Brilliant actors who were committed to the integrity of their respective character and the context as a whole
Claudie Blakley is such a good actress. I love the attention to detail she pays to her facial expressions. Marvelous.
I didn’t like how they dressed or made Elizabeth appear in this scene. They made her seem impoverished. She was from a decent middle class family, yet her “whatever she owned that is best” dress looks poorly made and her hair looks ragged.
This is one of many reasons why this version P and P isn't the best one, no matter what people say. I enjoy it for many reasons, but faithful to Austen it is not. There's a reason the 95 is the definitive.
“whatever she owned that is best” was the best that she happened to bring with her for her stay with Collinses. She may not have been anticipating dinner with Lady Catherine de Bourgh and her daughter and Charlotte did not tell her of the possibility of the meeting.
@@annkey4091 even if this was the best dress she had with her, her hair was disheveled and her general appearance was unkept.
@@annkey4091 Considering the time period, she absolutely would have known, it didn't need to be verbalized. This was a very common thing to happen during that time, and Lizzie is smart cookie, so she knows. But the issue isn't whatever her best is, it's that this film specifically painted the Bennetts as poor...but they weren't. They were the middle class of their day, so it would have been something a good few notches better than what looks nearly like a potato sack. But even then, the 1% still viewed even solidly middle class people as 'peasants' and not someone to entangle with on a social level.
@@Titus2BibleStudy her hair looks just like charlottes lmao
Every time I see a clip from this movie the comments are filled with people that "vastly prefer the BBC adaptation" like...okay? We get it, this one's "too modern", but why are yall always here instead of on clips of your favorite adaptations complimenting it without throwing any of the others under the bus? Asking as a huge fan of the book, why does this adaptation simply existing bother you so much? Just enjoy what you like, you don't need to write a whole dissertation about what you don't where people that do gather
I like them both, but for different reasons. I think I am not alone here.
agree
@@Refusetodyethegray I agree :-) At 1st I said I loved the 1995 one so much. The actors the the music etc . Then along came 2005. They were both excellant .I have watched both of them a lot.
I agree. The 1995 made me love the book, but I cannot watch it over and over and over like I do with this version. I don't understand the hate. I think this was perfectly cast with a perfect soundtrack and can I mention the brilliant cinematography? The only thing I think the 95 series does better is the accuracy since they could film more without cutting scenes from the original, but I just LOOOOOOVE this. It isn't even 'glamorised'/'hollywoodised' but instead down to earth... chef's kiss!
I'm USA, and I will never tire of a good British period piece. The only thing missing from this movie (either modern day version) is Emma Thompson. Jane Austen's pro-feminine, forward way of thinking and writing was incredible. Of the half dozen or so of screen adaptations that have been produced, my favorite still remains the Colin Firth/Jennifer Ehle masterpiece. It was a delight for me to see them together again years later (although not opposite each other), in another British masterpiece; 'The King's Speech'.
So many servants for such a dinner! Love Lizzie’s & Mr. Darcy’s eye connection.🫶🏻
It wasn't a formal dinner, so not many were needed.
I really think Judi Dench is the GOAT. If looks could kill. My word!
Judi Dench, is one amazing Actor. And if everyone dislikes her she played her role very well.
One of my most fav movies... the emotional tension is so palpable you could cut it with a knife. And, of course, Keira Knightley and Rosamund Pike.
I love the lighting in this motion picture.
YES.
Tom Hollander's body language is so great for creating his character.
Ok, did anyone notice Elizabeth hovering that spoon over her bowl because she was being asked so many questions by Lady Catherine. 😂😂😂
Judi Dench is such a savage in this and has never looked better. That wig and gown are doing wonders for her. ❤
Dame Judi Dench is PERFECT casting as Lady Catherine de Bourgh!
All these actors are amazing!
"For music is my delight. In fact there are few people in England who have more true enjoyment of music than myself, or better natural taste. If I had ever learned, I should have been a great proficient." - The. Best. Line. Of. The. Movie.
I can totally relate to this. 😂
I absolutely ADORE this movie!!
The shot and composition at 3:53 looks like a regency painting.
It feels very Baroque to me, as the furniture and the room (the Heaven Room of Burghley House was painted during the 1680s) are in that style. Minus the costumes of course. This film is just so beautiful though.
My thoughts exactly
I imagine that was precisely their intention.
0:03 I thought there was an actual bird on her head. I can't.
At first, I thought it was her hair sticking up in a weird style.
Beautifully shot. Perfect composition in each scene.
The frames look more like paintings than photographs.
Bet this is probably one of the first times that Darcy realized what a rude person his Aunt can be.
I’m assuming you’re being sarcastic. 😂
As much as I absolutely love Dame Judy Dench. I still prefer the BBC adaptation with Jennifer Anne Ehle as Elizabeth.
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Her Ladyship knew Darcy like her. She seemed very intentional about hammering on the inferiority of her birth, and insists she plays the pianoforte even if she knows that she is miserable on it.
I love Lizzie's reply when she said, "Lady Catherine I'm not afflicted with false modesty."
It's the same thing Darcy notices when he said "You are too generous to trifle with my emotions".
Meaning Elizabeth always says what she means. She doesn't play a coy girl by saying what she doesn't mean just to be pursued. She also reiterates this during Collins proposal.
"You give your opinion very decidedly for so young a person." That's what I would be shouting at young people when they talk back at me.
Any scene with Dame Judy is worth watching.
Lady DeB must have heard rumors about her. This was her chance to assess her. Mr. Darcy ignores Mr. Collins in order to talk to Elizabeth! Too funny for words.
Collins would've told her about Elizabeth refusing his proposal.
@@isobelduncan This encounter was before his first proposal. I think at that point, Mr. Collins generally rambled on to Catherine about Lizzie and her family.
@@lanadellover9349 this was after collins and Charlotte got married
{ “ Mr. Collins ,, you can’t sit next to your wife !! Move ! Over there . “ } I laugh 😂🤣🤣 every time I hear her say that . ( I’m always expecting Collins to say “why the hell not?” )
It's absolutely out of etiquette😂
@@sailorv8067 why wasn't it proper etiquette to sit next to your wife?
Why does she say that?
@@gitanjalianand3543 People had a different view of social gatherings and interaction back then . Imagine being at a wedding reception nowadays, and the bride says to you- “ you can’t sit next to your wife . “
Would you say something? Or do what she said .
I know what I’d say - honey , get your things . We’re outta here!! And bring the gift that we brought ! 🤣
@@gitanjalianand3543
It’s impolite to sit next to someone you are familiar with on a daily basis, because the point of a Soiree is for everyone to gather and socialize, which means that preferably, they socialize with new people and make everyone present an acquaintance. Even the communication they did is very rude since Lady Catherine did not address the people next to her but rather address Elizabeth Bennet who sits so far away.
0:38- Ever since I saw this movie as a kid...I have always wondered...could Charlotte have possibly 'gulped' out of relief? Thinking "Thank you Lord Jesus, she went for Lizzie first and not me!" ............or was there just a lot of fluid in the actress's mouth in this scene😶
I was only watching that film yesterday. It's a great film and all the actors were brilliant.
I've always wondered why it was that Lady Catherine never learned to play the pianoforte! How could this Earl's daughter possibly lack the means or the instruction to learn something which even the most middle-class girls learned as a matter of course?
possibly the parents - piano was too passionate
I always thought she probably did and just was terrible, and found sour-grapes excuses for herself ever since.
i mean 💀 Jane Austen rarely met Earl's daughter i think, but she did met Lady Elizabeth Murray ( Dido Belle's cousin) although she didn't say a lot, Jane Austen noted that "her eloquence lies in her finger, it was most fluently harmonious" she is like complete opposite of Lady Catherine.
and she didn't snob Jane Austen at least, we forgot that Jane Austen was in a very low social standing compared to Lady Elizabeth, the only reason they could even meet was because Edward Austen Knight was adopted by their distant rich cousin.
in the eyes of Aristocrat, they should be like Emma when she saw the merchant family
@Ellen March 🤔 I believe it and it explains how critical she is about Georgiana and Charlotte practicing. I bet after the Collins and Elizabeth left. Lady Catherine probably said "Oh, the poor Bennett girl can't play the piano. She won't find a husband that way." To show Darcy how there's no hope for him and Elizabeth 😕
@@LilyZerep but her own daughter can't play piano
The best part of this scene for me, is the way the men are arranged by height.
Im not sure if this historically accurate, but the mannerism and respect is amazing. Regardless if certain characters appeared overwhelming bc of their social status. I mean fast forward to this age, whether you are in a wealthy affluent setting, or casual layed back setting, you would never see such respect and honor among friends and family. Now one may say we have evolved, we are more casual today, free will, and open, not so formal and stuffy.....but to be honest I think todays standards are barbaric compared to this 1800 century time period, they were way more advanced. In other words we modern day people have no class. A lost of art.
Fun facts:
In the book, it was Colonel Fitzwilliam who asked Lizzie to play the pianoforte after dinner, not Lady Catherine.
Also, the colonel and Darcy are cousins in the book, not friends as the movie portrays.
So cousins can't be friends.
@@nicoleackerman205 Is that seriously your conclusion after reading what I wrote?
Maybe you should read the book before posting here.
Do you hear the bird answering to How do you do, pretty good at 1.23? Cute n funny
Nice catch. I'll have to check it out. Funny.
I absolutely Love ❤ this movie, I've lost count of how many times I've watched it.
This is the first time that I have noticed that, when col. Fitzwilliam introduces himself & says " col. Fitzwilliam, how do you do", one of the birds in the background answers & says "pretty good"😄😂
so funny😄 I keep rewinding it & laughing 😂😂 ahh it's the little things😂😂
I have watched this movie so many times and never noticed this!
Oh my gosh hahahahahahaha
What an excellent observation!
That is wildly adorable! And kudos to the cast for not bursting out laughing in that take - love that they kept it in the movie! And love this film to bits ❤❤
OMG, that's hilarious! I never noticed this, either!
I never heard such a thing 😂 so using that phrase everyday now
I love Jane Austen's writings! ❤
I lost count on how many times I rolled my eyes when Lady Catherine talking. 🙄
Ile razy oglądam jak rozmawiają przy muzyce tyle razy czuję chemię jaka jest między nimi, cudownie to wygląda
3:43 the look from charlotte is priceless. "you just HAD to be sassy didn't you lizzie??"
The squawking bird right on time, every time😂
Sensational cast 👏 🎭
lady katherine was indirectly being a wingman of darcy and Elizabeth's relationship....and man was lady katherine a snob
We learn later that Darcy came to Rosings specifically to see Lizzie (in this scene), but it remains unclear to me exactly how he knew Lizzie would be there.
So gorgeous …Judy!!
Love this version! Still not sure why Mr. Collins couldn't sit next to his wife, though. Like, why was that inappropriate? Wouldn't it have been more inappropriate to seat unattached persons next to each other? Disclaimer: I know no English etiquette rules.
This is still a formal dinner party etiquette rule in the US - spouses sit separately so people will talk to each other and not primarily their spouses.
I think Lady deB wanted Darcy sit next to Lizzy. Later, when Lizzy was at the piano, she called Darcy's friend leaving Lizzy and Darcy just to themselves. Her visit with the Bennets was the last trial for Lizzy after which she told Darcy about the conversation, and he dared to come. This is how it appears in this adaptation, I haven't read the book.
I think the intention of the director was to make her seem controlling because otherwise the seating would have been arranged previous to the dinner.
I never know why film directors make a film of a classic and then change the dialogue with their own version. Jane Austen produced a masterpiece and the actors were excellent in this film, it's a shame they couldnt just have stuck to the book.
Mr Darcy es el hombre indicado para toda mujer como novio, como pareja formal un verdadero marido en el matrimonio
such a beautiful beautiful movie
0:20 Why is Mr. Collins standing like he needs to use the toilet? 🤣
🤣🤣🤣
he's awkward in everything he does 🙂
Good little Scene…Lady Catherine trying to Embarrass Lizzy😜…Darcy trying to Impress😎
Charlotte literally turns her head as Elizabeth is turning her head. Meaning they both understood the connotation behind the question of her skills from Lady DuBerg and also Mr. Collins wincing a bit at the questions! Lol! I also like how Mr. Collins’s tries to deflect from Elizabeth’a “impoliteness/astonishment”, by trying to direct focus to him. Very interesting in the body language of the time.
I don't think Mr. Collins is observant enough to do something as polite as deflecting Elizabeth's reaction by directing focus to him. He just wants to direct focus to him. He's all about bumping elbows with the wealthy people. Darcy's reaction to Mr. Collins is as if he was an annoying fly in the room.
Wonderful scene
Lady Catherine is a comical character, albeit a bit intimidating. Here she is just unpleasant. This version almost completely lacks the comedy of manners aspect of Jane Austen work. It's just a watered down romance. And Keira's Lizzie is no way different than the rest of her family in behavior and manners, which she should be because that's exactly what attracts Darcy to her.
I disagree.
Money/position does not grant you the right to abuse or mistreat people just because you can.
What is going on?
If only that were true.
@@ohana8535 something is gotta change
@@dividedwefall652 Unfortunately it won't. Not any time soon anyway.
@@dividedwefall652 Unfortunately it won't. Not any time soon any way.
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I love this film pride and perjudice movie a lot by Keira Knightley
Very nice.
Si necesitamos un verdadero Mr Darcy en nuestra vida de pareja como MUJERES
1:05 who are you again .please move aside let me talk to the lady 😁
His look makes me laugh every single time i watch this scene i can't help it .
Lady catherines daughter is mia wasikowska.did anyone notice?😊
No
I didn't like the way Elizabeth was dressed. I did like how outspoken she was.
Judi Dench looks so pretty here!
i love this movie
Las mujeres si necesitamos un verdadero Mr Darcy en nuestras vidas de pareja, noviazgo formal o matrimonio
Why everyone treats Mr. Collins so poorly.
I love that movie!
Did that bird just say “pretty good” at 1:22 😂
I liked the book and watched the movie. Um not the same. I have seen many of the films from the past but i love this version. It more a love story that is modern ish
She kindly told Lady Catherine, none of your business. Lol.
i love lookin at charlotte's hair pin feather wavin'. so classic
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charlotte in her head was like: ST-EFFING UP LIZZIE! 😆😆😆
Мой любимый фильм! Смотрела его раз 20!
Near the end ..Mr Darcy walking towards Lizzie in the morning dew...omg...❤
Every lady yes needs real life Mr Darcy
Please, Please do Persuasion next.
I love Charlotte's ~classy feathers lol
❤✅❤✅ Mr Collins -
( Tom Hollander )
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❤absolutely love this.
what year was this filmed? You left that bit of information out !!!!
2005 I believe.
In this adaptation I always get the impression that lady Catherine was shipping Lizzy and Darcy
Absolutely. In each of her scenes.
Lady C asks Lizzy to play the piano to try and humilate her infront of everyone, especially Darcy as Lizzy has told her that she plays very little very poorly. one wouldnt ask anyone like that to play infront of others. She wanted to see her humiliated. she wanted to emphasize her lack of skills and education infront of her nephew. i think she felt a little insecure because Darcy knew her.
that's exactly what I was thinking! one could say that this made Darcy to pay more attention to her because of this at the end
Anne is pretty. Hopefully she married colonel Fitzwilliam and moved to an army house away from mommy dearest.
No, Anne's an extremely wealthy heiress. Observe that the house is grander than Darcy's.
Darcy: I'm an introvert, gaddammit, I NEED SOMEONE TO ADOPT ME.
Why couldn’t Collins sit next to Charlotte again?
because dinner seating arrangements are A) to show rank and favor with the host, and B) to encourage discussion. Why seat husband and wife together when they already (supposedly) know everything there is to know about each other. Much better to split them up so as to have better dinner conversation flowing. (from the perspective of centuries-old dining etiquette, not necessarily my modern opinion)
Married couples don’t sit next to one another
@@courtneym75 nice throughout explanation
Married people could not even sleep in the same room neither!!!
It's formal dinner party etiquette even today