as someone who has a decent hifi, i have considered Roon for a while but not really sure what it offered. Now I know better and think it is time to take the plunge. Many thanks Chris.
Thanks for posting this. I just started Roon app and it is very difficult to find detailed lessons. The basics is easy but I didn´t know the issues you highliighted. This kind of acticity very much appreciated! I hope that you post more like this.
This is a great no nonsense fact filled video- no fancy editing or large ego- all beef no filler. Thanks, this has been an extremely useful video. I'm still trying to get my head around Roon and make the final jump and join the streaming revolution- I am now far more informed about the awesome power of this amazing piece of software that to my eyes now looks to be the most important investment in creating a successful transition.
Thank you for watching. Appreciate the kind comments. As I said in my video, one should think of Roon as another piece of HiFi equipment component. It's more that just some software. Good luck.
I really found this informative.. I have been using Roon for a year now and have never messed with a lot of this stuff. I especially like the headphone pre-sets you talked aobut.
Wow, thanks for posting this information. I'm a roon noob that needed this guidance. I had no idea there are DSP presets for Audeze headphones. I love my LCD X that I just picked up. Now they sound even better thanks to you. That's much like roon, didn't know I needed that either, until the test drive. Thanks again for the help!
Thanks Chris for a very informative video. I learned about convolution filters and bookmarks and will put that to use immediately. One bit I can add regarding the CD ripping, it only works for users running Roon core on a linux system. On Windows or MacOS you need to use some other program to do your cd ripping. I got that clarification from Roon and they have added that stipulation to their help files now.
This is such a good video. So useful as it has helped me to discover aspects of Roon that have made the subscription worthwhile and I understand what all the fuss is about! Thank you.
Wow. Great video. Well done. I really really enjoyed what you presented. Because of your video, despite the steep price, I'm locking in a lifetime lisence. Essentially, it's adding A. I., DSP, and Data management to your audio setup. For the price, absolutely a steal. Thank you so much.
Thanks a ton Chris👍👍 I’m finally figuring out how to properly rip CDs with Exact Audio Copy onto a a Samsung 2 TB external drive with my Roon Core Sony VAIO laptop.
Thanks, I started using Roon only a couple of months ago and learned a lot from the video. Ha, yeah you got this in just before Roon is about to be updated, but still helpful. One thing I'll mention is that dynamic range is only available for your own files and isn't displayed for streaming services.
Hi Richard, thanks for watching. You are correct. Dynamic Range and Wave (graph display) is not available for streaming services. Apparently, this would be difficult for the Roon team to impletment.
thanks. very helpful...I have had roon for about a year or so and really like it...just having trouble for it to recognize my onkyo HT receiver and chromecast on my wired network. It has no problem finding other devices in the house...
I’m using Roon now. I think for most people it is overkill. If you have multiple devices (‘end points’) in mulitple rooms, and more people in the family.. then it is wonderful. Another great product to combine with Roon is a Raspberry Pie, with Ropieee installed. You can attach the pi with usb to a DAC / pre-amp... it will forward the data bit-perfect to your DAC. For the audiophile who also loves to fiddle with hardware and settings it is brilliant. If it’s just for organizing and playing some music on a single device, I’d go for something easier and smaller (and cheaper).
Thanks for watching. I have long used RPi type devices with Logitech Music Server and now Roon. I think Roon is much more than just a music organization program as my video attempts to explain.
Good video. Thanks for putting it together. I just made the Roon plunge a few days ago, so quite helpful. BTW Audeze headphones is pronounced the same as the word "Odyssey"
I really enjoyed my 3 month trial using an Allo DigiOne Signature streamer, but I cheaped out at the $500 level, it's now $700, but it's going to $830 on Jan 1st, 2023. I just started another 3 month with just a little over a month to pull the trigger on the new low price of $700. It's great when you have friends over, as it's super easy for everyone to pick tracks, I can't remember, but I don't think guests even need to download the app, not sure how it worked, I just remember it being super easy. As you can tell, I'm talking myself into it. I never got dramatic results using FIR filters after spending a lot of time in REW, Math Audio Room Correction is the absolute best and easiest I have ever used, it is free in Foobar2K, you need a calibrated mic and filters can be imported/exported
Great review. Thank you. I have an unrelated question: what are the best options to purchase hi fidelity music online? In the video I noticed your Jazz selection. The few places I go to do not have a very deep libraries when it comes to Jazz.
Roon does not support any VST plugins like Sonarworks where you can pick the preset for your listening device. Even the cheapest version of Audirvana does that.
Great job sharing this valuable information. I understand AudioControl is a Roon end point, but not certain if license is included or what steps would be required to get it setup. Do you feel 10-year old rips of my CD library at 320kbps (some highest ver though) and some FLAC will sound much different than HeOS or other low to mid level streamers? I did not know about DSP and EQ so leaning more heavily into investigating the Roon solution. 🙏🏻
The most important thing is that Roon is a music player of a quality that rivals Daphile. I resisted using it until I discovered this because it seemed like a really expensive way to organize my files.
Thanks for watching. I also was initially scepticle of Roon since I had used Squeezebox devices for so many years. But, once I tried Roon I was quickly converted and became a Lifetime member.
@@DIYHiFiLife Hello, I would like to know if Roon is better than Jriver Media Center in terms of sound quality in the case of use with a PCM and DSD compatible ASIO sound card.
Nice and clear. Would be great to see something like this in lieu of the less user-friendly Roon documentation. Any thoughts on how to collect all jazz guitar recordings as part of a focus? Many labels. Probably need to add a label? Keep up the nice work.
There are some limitations in Roon Focus. I would like to see some improvements. One can filter by Genre such as "Jazz" but there is no way to filter for Guitarists as well. Perhaps version 1.8 announced today will offer new options?
Thank you, very interesting video. I have been thinking about getting Roon, I’m currently using Audirvana on my MacBook. Id first like to invest in a USB streamer to play DSD files. By the way I purchased the high pass filter, the same as you are using. Hope to receive them within a couple of weeks.
Let me know how you like your High Pass Filter. Why not try Roon for free for 30 days using this link: th-cam.com/users/redirect?event=video_description&redir_token=QUFFLUhqbnFlOGdyY2JKYXZWVmJnbzdsYlFNTFBoeGt5d3xBQ3Jtc0trR2thZ2FOTHJqNEd3WFlPSkNJLXU2bTIteUpLenVLZ25zd1dmTmQyYld5SWRIQUUtX0RZSkFGMmFYd2Z2MUV1MWxMTkZQRnEzWlpkMjNUUkcxTU5iODNQeV9yM1ZMMDJpREJlSkMzTzExa3RHT0xlWQ&q=https%3A%2F%2Froonlabs.com%2Fr%2FxLSnLREpE0mIJCRYeaxLaw
Hi and thanks for a good video. I’m curious if you have tested Daphile vs Roon? I have both right now and it would be interesting to hear what you think about them. Anders
Thanks for watching. I think Ready means it will minimally work such as Airplay based products. Whearas, Tested means it has the fully RAAT transport protocol implemented.
I have been using Roon full time in my system for 5 years now and I didn't know 1/2 of what you explained. I can't wait to experiment. Thank you so much!
Do you know if Roon ever goes on sale , like on black friday or special occasions? I just can’t justify $800 and $15 a month is a bitter pill to swallow
Yes, true. But there is some debate as to audibility of the later decoding. Either way, having Roon provide some MQA processing is a great added feature. Thanks for watching my video.
I've been using Roon about 6 months now and have been really pleased with it. This video did show me new features. Regarding surround sound, I have two Roon endpoints - a Bluesound Node 2i and an Allo DigiOne. There are no multi channel outputs for either of these devices. What endpoint are you using to get surround sound?
Hi Paul. Thanks for watching. For multi-channel audio I am using Roon Core on an Intel NUC running the ROCK OS (ROON OPTIMIZED CORE KIT). The NUC has a HDMI output which ROCK will use to stream the multi-channel audio. I use a Emotiva XMC-2 Processor to decode the surround sound. There may be other devices that have HDMI output but this is the easiest way.
I think the question was “what endpoint are you using to get surround sound”, not what Core. I use a Denon AV amp as my multichannel DAC, connected to my Roon core via HDMI. It’s not really described as an “endpoint” in Roon’s own terminology because it is directly connected to the core. An endpoint is a device separated from the core physically, that communicates with the core via Ethernet, or Wi-fi. There are not many Roon certified endpoints that have multi-channel out. One example would be a Rasberry Pi, running RoPieee software. This would still need to be connected to a Multi-Channel DAC though. All modern AV amplifiers with HDMI inputs are essentially Multi-channel DAC’s with amplification included. You can also buy Multi-Channel DACs with line-level outputs, for connecting to amplification, and then onto speakers, eg. Essence Evolve II, to name one. In terms of a true Roon Certified “Endpoint” that connects via Ethernet, and outputs 5.1 analogue. I don’t know of such a device. I may be schooled in this though if someone does know of such a device! 🙂
@@DJB99 I haven't got direct experience, but NAD do surround amps with BiuOS, which in turn is Roon Ready. It's a possible path to investigate if a one box solution is required.
How do I set up Apple Music with this? I’m having a hard time getting it set up. EDIT: It is now the future, your present time, and I dropped Apple Music for Qobuz and Roon! I’m all in with these two services!
Nice video - thanks. While it is clear what the DSP capabilities are for loudspeakers, how do you measure what corrections are needed in your room, or confirm that any corrections applied actually works?
Can I use Roon to simply upscale tracks that I mixed long time ago and not happy with the quality? not for streaming just to upscale my music. doesn't it work for that?
I just tried your DSP Band 1 setting of Peak Dip: 300, -6 and 2.5. Can you post your other band's settings or did you just do Band 1. I lve the change it made on my system so wondering if I can tweak it even more
Making global PEQ adjustments to compensate for room affects without measuring first isn't a good path to follow. First take measurements of the room's response using calibrated mic (miniDSP Umik1 or 2 or Dayton OmniMic) and REW (free software) to find the room frequency anomalies. After you find the frequencies, widths, amplitudes of those anomalies - then they can be compensated with PEQ filters in Roon. Without measuring first, you're just guessing - and likely getting further away from linear in-room response. This can also be accomplished with room-correction software like Dirac, Room Perfect, Audyssey built-in to many pieces of commonly-available audio gear that will come with the required measurement mic. Also keep in mind, these room correction filters can be effective, but they are a band-aid. Root-cause of the problem is the room - fix the room first (to the extent possible). Tweaking system output to correct room issues is like wearing earplugs to avoid hearing a squeaking door hinge.
Very informative! My DAC doesn’t do DSD, a feature I wanted but the DAC was otherwise to good to pass on so I bought it anyway. Will Roon handle DSD similar to the way it processes MQA? IOW, will I be able to have Roon play any DSD files if I should acquire them?
Hi Sylvia. Thank you for watching. Yes, you can play DSD files even if your DAC is not specifically DSD capable. There are several settings you can adjust in Roon including DoP (DSD over PCM).
Thanks for this. I am an Amazon HD user, wish Roon and Amazon could find a way to support it. Amazon isn't great at providing an API. One question, Chris, when you set up your profiles for listening devices (Headphones, Speakers) is it easy to switch those without going thru menus?
So, in regards to MQA playback. Are you saying if I have a FiiO DAC that is HiRes certified, but not MQA, that Roon will still get me the MQA resolution to my Grado headphones?
I want to browse, say Tidal's catalogue, before even thinking of giving them my credit card number. Currently I have nothing on any hard disc, and a massive collection of DAB radio .MP2 (yes, .MP2) files Roon can never know exist. Also much vinyl, CDs and even 78s. Lastly, do Roon or other streaming services pay every artist for every track played??? Probably not.
I got rid of Roon a while back, just because I couldn't justify paying for it. Now it has ARC I might get a subscription again. The thing I find confusing is when/if to Tag a Track or put it in a playlist. How do they differ ?
I did install the preset files for my cans (Meze Empyrean, ZMF VO, Hifiman Ed. X v2.) but haven't notice any difference...perhaps I didn't install in properly. Probably a f/u video w/ the flow on how you did it. thanks!
Thanks for watching. Basically, you just need to put your convolution WAV files in a ZIP archive and load it into the DSP. When working, you will certainly notice the change.
Was wondering if using a roon on boss or piano 2.1 DAC if I can have 2 channel crossover functionality to my 4 channel amp then I can remove my miniDSP 2x4hd
I'm not sure if you can accomplish what you want with rPi and a HAT alone. You might want to look at the HiFiBerry line of DAC with DSP HATs which is the closest I know of to what your are looking for.
You say you can use Roon to stream 5.1 audio to your home-theater system. What sort of endpoint do you use for that? Every one I've seen has been stereo-only.
@@DIYHiFiLife Can that be done from an endpoint instead of the Core? And does the HDMI signal take the form of decoded-to-PCM data in the case of DSD? If so, at what bit/sampling rate?
Thanks for watching. I was initially skeptical of MQA but have come to recognize it as another option as purely a streaming protocol. Using Roon has allowed me to live with MQA and it has worked pretty well. MQA continues to be controversial.
@@DIYHiFiLife people rate 320k MP as good as CD quality, I guess on low/mid systems it might not be so noticeable. Having listened to your video again.Roon is like an a piece of equipment or an appliance.
I am running version 1,7 ROON -Exclusively running Tidal and Qobuz and am not able to switch on dynamic range - Only Option I found , in setup which is on , but has not effected this option .
I heard the Roon developers discuss this in a podcast and they said it is very challenging to display a waveform and dynamic range for remote (e.g. Tidal) stream music.
Great video thanks for taking the time to post it. I was wondering is it possible to import eq settings for speakers like you showed for the head phones? Is there a DB that offers settings for different speakers? Thanks again!
Got a nucleus after using desktop. I can’t get it on to locate music files on desktop on my home network. Should I delete unnecessary roon legacy files on desktop?
Thanks for watching. It's hard for me to remotely debug your setup. You should be able to go into your storage settings in the Roon settings and add your Desktop or other Music locations for Roon to use. One thing that might help is to have your Nucleus hard wired with Ethernet. You might try to hard wire your Desktop as well. You can download a free app such as Advanced IP Scanner that will let you scan your network to make sure everything is visible, etc.
Do you have a solution for the miserable support you get with Roon? The Roon Community Forum is simply a way for Roon LLC to outsource the support burden to the user community, while they insource the income.
Sorry to hear you are unhappy. It's hard for me to diagnose by long distance. Many issues people sometimes have with software like Roon that is dependent on Networking is not always Roon but an underlying problem with their network (e.g. Interne,t Wifi, etc.) I hope you can solve your problems.
@@DIYHiFiLife Problems in software are routine; I spent my career there. When problems occurred, we fixed them, but not these guys. A product without support is not a product at all.
Thanks for watching. MQA remains controversial but I have heard good sound MQA tracks as I have heard good sounding FLAC, MP3, etc. The problem seems to be is that MQA is a solution without a clear need? I think MQA is trying to be ubiquitous like Dolby but has not caught on. Now that big guns like Apple have embraced Dolby Atmos, MQA may be pushed to the back burner.
@@DIYHiFiLife - The only use for MQA is to make MQA money. Manufacturers pay for it. Artists pay for it. So ultimately it is the consumer that pays for it. That it sounds better than the original simply means it applies a filter.
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as someone who has a decent hifi, i have considered Roon for a while but not really sure what it offered. Now I know better and think it is time to take the plunge. Many thanks Chris.
Thanks for watching. If you use my link in the More Info section you can a free month if you subscribe after you 14 day trial.
Thanks for posting this. I just started Roon app and it is very difficult to find detailed lessons. The basics is easy but I didn´t know the issues you highliighted. This kind of acticity very much appreciated! I hope that you post more like this.
Glad it was helpful! Thanks for watching.
This is a great no nonsense fact filled video- no fancy editing or large ego- all beef no filler. Thanks, this has been an extremely useful video. I'm still trying to get my head around Roon and make the final jump and join the streaming revolution- I am now far more informed about the awesome power of this amazing piece of software that to my eyes now looks to be the most important investment in creating a successful transition.
Thank you for watching. Appreciate the kind comments. As I said in my video, one should think of Roon as another piece of HiFi equipment component. It's more that just some software. Good luck.
@@DIYHiFiLife Thanks!
A truly excellent overview: an indispensable roadmap for some of Roon's more arcane features. Thank you very much.
Thanks for putting this together. I own a pair of Audeze LCD-5 and had know idea about the filters! Will try this out tonight.
I really found this informative.. I have been using Roon for a year now and have never messed with a lot of this stuff. I especially like the headphone pre-sets you talked aobut.
Thanks for watching.
The headphone presets. What a difference it makes!
Never too old to learn.
Thank You!
Thanks for watching. I think a lot of people learned something!
I’m a little late to the Roon game. Sounds great with my items and sundaras. This tip video was great and I’ll try it when I get home.
Wow, thanks for posting this information. I'm a roon noob that needed this guidance. I had no idea there are DSP presets for Audeze headphones. I love my LCD X that I just picked up. Now they sound even better thanks to you. That's much like roon, didn't know I needed that either, until the test drive. Thanks again for the help!
Great video. Roon is better than ever in 2024!
Very impressed , as a new Roon user , opened my eyes or should I say ears.
thanks, this is the most informative video so far about roon!
Thanks for watching. This is exactly why I produced it.
Thanks Chris for a very informative video. I learned about convolution filters and bookmarks and will put that to use immediately. One bit I can add regarding the CD ripping, it only works for users running Roon core on a linux system. On Windows or MacOS you need to use some other program to do your cd ripping. I got that clarification from Roon and they have added that stipulation to their help files now.
Thanks Bruce for watching and adding this useful information.
This is such a good video. So useful as it has helped me to discover aspects of Roon that have made the subscription worthwhile and I understand what all the fuss is about! Thank you.
Wow. Great video. Well done. I really really enjoyed what you presented. Because of your video, despite the steep price, I'm locking in a lifetime lisence. Essentially, it's adding A. I., DSP, and Data management to your audio setup. For the price, absolutely a steal. Thank you so much.
Very informative video, Chris! Thank you for sharing it.
Thanks for watching. Based on the response, I think this was a good topic for discussion.
Nice job, Chris. I’ve used Roon from the beginning, but picked up some new information from your video.
Dan
Thank you! I’ll be installing that cD ripping extension immediately.
Thanks a ton Chris👍👍 I’m finally figuring out how to properly rip CDs with Exact Audio Copy onto a a Samsung 2 TB external drive with my Roon Core Sony VAIO laptop.
Cool! I completely missed the bookmarks and sleep timer. Thanks
Thanks for watching. It's easy to miss features in Roon. That is why I made this video.
Thanks, I started using Roon only a couple of months ago and learned a lot from the video.
Ha, yeah you got this in just before Roon is about to be updated, but still helpful.
One thing I'll mention is that dynamic range is only available for your own files and isn't displayed for streaming services.
Hi Richard, thanks for watching. You are correct. Dynamic Range and Wave (graph display) is not available for streaming services. Apparently, this would be difficult for the Roon team to impletment.
To jest zwyczajna reklama i tyle.
Very interesting video and well edited. Many tips that I didn’t know (and I am a lifetime subscriber.....). Thank you for sharing.
Hi Albert, Thanks so much for watching. Based on the view and feedback, it was long overdue to make a Roon knowledge video. Stay tuned.
That was great. Sound just the ticket I was seeking. thanks.
Very fine program, Thanks
Every goddam thing I start to get into brings me to the entrance of a fucking rabbit hole!!!
Well done Mr. Baker. Roon should consider retainer you as a spokesperson. Indeed, I will purchase a Roon Core in light of your informative video.
thanks. very helpful...I have had roon for about a year or so and really like it...just having trouble for it to recognize my onkyo HT receiver and chromecast on my wired network. It has no problem finding other devices in the house...
Thank you very much for the education
Great video, very useful and impressive work! Thank you Chris!
I’m using Roon now. I think for most people it is overkill. If you have multiple devices (‘end points’) in mulitple rooms, and more people in the family.. then it is wonderful. Another great product to combine with Roon is a Raspberry Pie, with Ropieee installed. You can attach the pi with usb to a DAC / pre-amp... it will forward the data bit-perfect to your DAC. For the audiophile who also loves to fiddle with hardware and settings it is brilliant. If it’s just for organizing and playing some music on a single device, I’d go for something easier and smaller (and cheaper).
Thanks for watching. I have long used RPi type devices with Logitech Music Server and now Roon. I think Roon is much more than just a music organization program as my video attempts to explain.
Nice video Chris, I learned at least 10 things I didn't know about Roon, thanks!
Great thanks for watching.
Awesome video! Cheers from Brazil!
Nice and Informative, pls post some more videos abt latest ROON updates and ARC.
Good stuff. Thanks
Loved the bonuses, nice video. Good luck in the future
Thanks so much!! Please stay tuned for more videos.
Thank you so much!!!!!
Good video. Thanks for putting it together. I just made the Roon plunge a few days ago, so quite helpful.
BTW Audeze headphones is pronounced the same as the word "Odyssey"
Glad it was helpful! Keep watching.
Excellent 👍👍
I really enjoyed my 3 month trial using an Allo DigiOne Signature streamer, but I cheaped out at the $500 level, it's now $700, but it's going to $830 on Jan 1st, 2023. I just started another 3 month with just a little over a month to pull the trigger on the new low price of $700. It's great when you have friends over, as it's super easy for everyone to pick tracks, I can't remember, but I don't think guests even need to download the app, not sure how it worked, I just remember it being super easy. As you can tell, I'm talking myself into it. I never got dramatic results using FIR filters after spending a lot of time in REW, Math Audio Room Correction is the absolute best and easiest I have ever used, it is free in Foobar2K, you need a calibrated mic and filters can be imported/exported
Really helpful info, thanks for this!
Terrific video with lots of great info! Thanks!
Glad it was helpful!
Great review. Thank you. I have an unrelated question: what are the best options to purchase hi fidelity music online? In the video I noticed your Jazz selection. The few places I go to do not have a very deep libraries when it comes to Jazz.
Thanks, nicely done. Informative and well presented.
Thanks so much for subscribing and watching.
Great video. Didn't know about headphone presets.
Thanks for watching!
Well done, very informative! Thanks...
Glad it was helpful!
I wonder how the Rune audio player feels about roon audio software. Helpful hint. Better microphone for an audiophile channel is a plus.
Thanks for watching my videos. I am in a constant process of improving my recording tools and editing. Stay tuned.
Roon does not support any VST plugins like Sonarworks where you can pick the preset for your listening device. Even the cheapest version of Audirvana does that.
Great job sharing this valuable information. I understand AudioControl is a Roon end point, but not certain if license is included or what steps would be required to get it setup. Do you feel 10-year old rips of my CD library at 320kbps (some highest ver though) and some FLAC will sound much different than HeOS or other low to mid level streamers?
I did not know about DSP and EQ so leaning more heavily into investigating the Roon solution. 🙏🏻
Appreciate the links, answered most of my own questions, can’t wait to get started. Many thanks.
Excellent video. Thanks!
Thank you for watching.
Very well done and useful. Thank you!
Thanks Stuart for take time to watach.
Brilliant tips there - thank you!
Jim you are very kind. Thanks for watching.
The most important thing is that Roon is a music player of a quality that rivals Daphile.
I resisted using it until I discovered this because it seemed like a really expensive way to organize my files.
Thanks for watching. I also was initially scepticle of Roon since I had used Squeezebox devices for so many years. But, once I tried Roon I was quickly converted and became a Lifetime member.
@@DIYHiFiLife
Hello, I would like to know if Roon is better than Jriver Media Center in terms of sound quality in the case of use with a PCM and DSD compatible ASIO sound card.
Room sounds great, but I don’t have a music library so I wonder if it’s even worth it? I would basically be using it for tidal only.
Nice and clear. Would be great to see something like this in lieu of the less user-friendly Roon documentation. Any thoughts on how to collect all jazz guitar recordings as part of a focus? Many labels. Probably need to add a label? Keep up the nice work.
There are some limitations in Roon Focus. I would like to see some improvements. One can filter by Genre such as "Jazz" but there is no way to filter for Guitarists as well. Perhaps version 1.8 announced today will offer new options?
@@DIYHiFiLife I'm hoping to be able to search by tags I've added. Metadata is often too blunt a tool.
Thanks. Some cool tipps 😀
Glad you like them!
Thank you, very interesting video. I have been thinking about getting Roon, I’m currently using Audirvana on my MacBook. Id first like to invest in a USB streamer to play DSD files.
By the way I purchased the high pass filter, the same as you are using. Hope to receive them within a couple of weeks.
Let me know how you like your High Pass Filter. Why not try Roon for free for 30 days using this link: th-cam.com/users/redirect?event=video_description&redir_token=QUFFLUhqbnFlOGdyY2JKYXZWVmJnbzdsYlFNTFBoeGt5d3xBQ3Jtc0trR2thZ2FOTHJqNEd3WFlPSkNJLXU2bTIteUpLenVLZ25zd1dmTmQyYld5SWRIQUUtX0RZSkFGMmFYd2Z2MUV1MWxMTkZQRnEzWlpkMjNUUkcxTU5iODNQeV9yM1ZMMDJpREJlSkMzTzExa3RHT0xlWQ&q=https%3A%2F%2Froonlabs.com%2Fr%2FxLSnLREpE0mIJCRYeaxLaw
I play DSD through Roon all the time.
Hi and thanks for a good video. I’m curious if you have tested Daphile vs Roon? I have both right now and it would be interesting to hear what you think about them.
Anders
Great review, thanks! Question, is there a difference between Roon Ready and Roon Tested?
Thanks for watching. I think Ready means it will minimally work such as Airplay based products. Whearas, Tested means it has the fully RAAT transport protocol implemented.
I have been using Roon full time in my system for 5 years now and I didn't know 1/2 of what you explained. I can't wait to experiment.
Thank you so much!
Great video!
Glad you enjoyed it
Do you know if Roon ever goes on sale , like on black friday or special occasions? I just can’t justify $800 and $15 a month is a bitter pill to swallow
why they included the presets for AUDIOZ only? How abut many other famous headphones?
Nice Video. Great tips. But ROON only does the 1st unfold for MQA. You still need an MQA capable DAC for the Full unfold.
Yes, true. But there is some debate as to audibility of the later decoding. Either way, having Roon provide some MQA processing is a great added feature. Thanks for watching my video.
I've been using Roon about 6 months now and have been really pleased with it. This video did show me new features. Regarding surround sound, I have two Roon endpoints - a Bluesound Node 2i and an Allo DigiOne. There are no multi channel outputs for either of these devices. What endpoint are you using to get surround sound?
Hi Paul. Thanks for watching. For multi-channel audio I am using Roon Core on an Intel NUC running the ROCK OS (ROON OPTIMIZED CORE KIT). The NUC has a HDMI output which ROCK will use to stream the multi-channel audio. I use a Emotiva XMC-2 Processor to decode the surround sound. There may be other devices that have HDMI output but this is the easiest way.
I think the question was “what endpoint are you using to get surround sound”, not what Core.
I use a Denon AV amp as my multichannel DAC, connected to my Roon core via HDMI.
It’s not really described as an “endpoint” in Roon’s own terminology because it is directly connected to the core. An endpoint is a device separated from the core physically, that communicates with the core via Ethernet, or Wi-fi.
There are not many Roon certified endpoints that have multi-channel out. One example would be a Rasberry Pi, running RoPieee software. This would still need to be connected to a Multi-Channel DAC though.
All modern AV amplifiers with HDMI inputs are essentially Multi-channel DAC’s with amplification included. You can also buy Multi-Channel DACs with line-level outputs, for connecting to amplification, and then onto speakers, eg. Essence Evolve II, to name one.
In terms of a true Roon Certified “Endpoint” that connects via Ethernet, and outputs 5.1 analogue. I don’t know of such a device. I may be schooled in this though if someone does know of such a device! 🙂
@@DJB99 I haven't got direct experience, but NAD do surround amps with BiuOS, which in turn is Roon Ready. It's a possible path to investigate if a one box solution is required.
@@foznoth Thanks for info Steve, I don’t think multi-channel is supported by BluOS, I may be wrong though.
Thanks for the video. It has strengthened my feeling that Roon is quite pointless product.
How do I set up Apple Music with this? I’m having a hard time getting it set up.
EDIT: It is now the future, your present time, and I dropped Apple Music for Qobuz and Roon! I’m all in with these two services!
Nice video - thanks. While it is clear what the DSP capabilities are for loudspeakers, how do you measure what corrections are needed in your room, or confirm that any corrections applied actually works?
If you want to do it properly lookup Room EQ Wizard + Mini DSP or if you're in a pinch just play a spectrum sweep and rely on your ears.
Can I use Roon to simply upscale tracks that I mixed long time ago and not happy with the quality? not for streaming just to upscale my music. doesn't it work for that?
I just tried your DSP Band 1 setting of Peak Dip: 300, -6 and 2.5. Can you post your other band's settings or did you just do Band 1. I lve the change it made on my system so wondering if I can tweak it even more
Making global PEQ adjustments to compensate for room affects without measuring first isn't a good path to follow. First take measurements of the room's response using calibrated mic (miniDSP Umik1 or 2 or Dayton OmniMic) and REW (free software) to find the room frequency anomalies. After you find the frequencies, widths, amplitudes of those anomalies - then they can be compensated with PEQ filters in Roon. Without measuring first, you're just guessing - and likely getting further away from linear in-room response.
This can also be accomplished with room-correction software like Dirac, Room Perfect, Audyssey built-in to many pieces of commonly-available audio gear that will come with the required measurement mic.
Also keep in mind, these room correction filters can be effective, but they are a band-aid. Root-cause of the problem is the room - fix the room first (to the extent possible). Tweaking system output to correct room issues is like wearing earplugs to avoid hearing a squeaking door hinge.
Nice hoomy studio. Thanks
Thanks for watching. I have some nice gear in my home studio.
Very informative! My DAC doesn’t do DSD, a feature I wanted but the DAC was otherwise to good to pass on so I bought it anyway. Will Roon handle DSD similar to the way it processes MQA? IOW, will I be able to have Roon play any DSD files if I should acquire them?
Hi Sylvia. Thank you for watching. Yes, you can play DSD files even if your DAC is not specifically DSD capable. There are several settings you can adjust in Roon including DoP (DSD over PCM).
Thanks for this. I am an Amazon HD user, wish Roon and Amazon could find a way to support it. Amazon isn't great at providing an API. One question, Chris, when you set up your profiles for listening devices (Headphones, Speakers) is it easy to switch those without going thru menus?
Thanks for watching. You can easily set up presets for different headphones and save them for recall in the DSP interface section.
So, in regards to MQA playback. Are you saying if I have a FiiO DAC that is HiRes certified, but not MQA, that Roon will still get me the MQA resolution to my Grado headphones?
I want to browse, say Tidal's catalogue, before even thinking of giving them my credit card number. Currently I have nothing on any hard disc, and a massive collection of DAB radio .MP2 (yes, .MP2) files Roon can never know exist. Also much vinyl, CDs and even 78s. Lastly, do Roon or other streaming services pay every artist for every track played??? Probably not.
I too have a WD PR2100 NAS which I currently use for a plex server. Been using Audirvana but curious about Roon....where are you running your core on?
ROCK is running an Intel Nuc I assembled. I use the HDMI output to send video and multi-channel audio to my Emotiva XMC-2 processor.
I got rid of Roon a while back, just because I couldn't justify paying for it. Now it has ARC I might get a subscription again. The thing I find confusing is when/if to Tag a Track or put it in a playlist. How do they differ ?
thks very helpfull thanks
Glad it helped Thanks for watching.
thanks
You're welcome!
Is there a high fidelity music software that's less technical to use for us neophytes?
I have just read Richard's comment -So I have my answer
Thanks for watching.
I did install the preset files for my cans (Meze Empyrean, ZMF VO, Hifiman Ed. X v2.)
but haven't notice any difference...perhaps I didn't install in properly. Probably a f/u video w/ the flow on how you did it. thanks!
Thanks for watching. Basically, you just need to put your convolution WAV files in a ZIP archive and load it into the DSP. When working, you will certainly notice the change.
How to post an artist poster and make it look good in TV dusplay?
Was wondering if using a roon on boss or piano 2.1 DAC if I can have 2 channel crossover functionality to my 4 channel amp then I can remove my miniDSP 2x4hd
I'm not sure if you can accomplish what you want with rPi and a HAT alone. You might want to look at the HiFiBerry line of DAC with DSP HATs which is the closest I know of to what your are looking for.
You say you can use Roon to stream 5.1 audio to your home-theater system. What sort of endpoint do you use for that? Every one I've seen has been stereo-only.
Roon Core (ROCK) running on Intel Nuc -> HDMI Out -> Emotiva XMC-2.
@@DIYHiFiLife Can that be done from an endpoint instead of the Core? And does the HDMI signal take the form of decoded-to-PCM data in the case of DSD? If so, at what bit/sampling rate?
MQA is not rated by everyone, no UK manufactured product supports it?
Thanks for watching. I was initially skeptical of MQA but have come to recognize it as another option as purely a streaming protocol. Using Roon has allowed me to live with MQA and it has worked pretty well. MQA continues to be controversial.
@@DIYHiFiLife people rate 320k MP as good as CD quality, I guess on low/mid systems it might not be so noticeable. Having listened to your video again.Roon is like an a piece of equipment or an appliance.
I am running version 1,7 ROON -Exclusively running Tidal and Qobuz and am not able to switch on dynamic range - Only Option I found , in setup which is on , but has not effected this option .
DR is only calculated for local files. I fear this won't be available anytime soon for streamed content.
I heard the Roon developers discuss this in a podcast and they said it is very challenging to display a waveform and dynamic range for remote (e.g. Tidal) stream music.
Great video thanks for taking the time to post it.
I was wondering is it possible to import eq settings for speakers like you showed for the head phones?
Is there a DB that offers settings for different speakers?
Thanks again!
Not sure about speaker database. You could browse ASR. Every review has Roon EQ settings included. They may be in a DB somewhere?
Got a nucleus after using desktop. I can’t get it on to locate music files on desktop on my home network. Should I delete unnecessary roon legacy files on desktop?
Thanks for watching. It's hard for me to remotely debug your setup. You should be able to go into your storage settings in the Roon settings and add your Desktop or other Music locations for Roon to use. One thing that might help is to have your Nucleus hard wired with Ethernet. You might try to hard wire your Desktop as well. You can download a free app such as Advanced IP Scanner that will let you scan your network to make sure everything is visible, etc.
@@DIYHiFiLife will try it, value offered, how wonderful! Will let u know. It has been very frustrating.
@@DIYHiFiLife went to storage and nucleus don’t see desktop? I see add network share to type in something. Shouldn’t it auto detect desktop?
Roon MQA ONLY works for the first unfold... up to 96KHz
Thanks for watching Jennifer.
Do you have a solution for the miserable support you get with Roon? The Roon Community Forum is simply a way for Roon LLC to outsource the support burden to the user community, while they insource the income.
Sorry to hear you are unhappy. It's hard for me to diagnose by long distance. Many issues people sometimes have with software like Roon that is dependent on Networking is not always Roon but an underlying problem with their network (e.g. Interne,t Wifi, etc.) I hope you can solve your problems.
@@DIYHiFiLife Problems in software are routine; I spent my career there. When problems occurred, we fixed them, but not these guys. A product without support is not a product at all.
doesn't seem like a bad program.... but is it worth $700.... nope
You lost me with MQA
Still,Audirvana is considered,by many people,better in sound quality than Roon !...
Stopped when he said MQA lossy is good.
Thanks for watching. MQA remains controversial but I have heard good sound MQA tracks as I have heard good sounding FLAC, MP3, etc. The problem seems to be is that MQA is a solution without a clear need? I think MQA is trying to be ubiquitous like Dolby but has not caught on. Now that big guns like Apple have embraced Dolby Atmos, MQA may be pushed to the back burner.
@@DIYHiFiLife - The only use for MQA is to make MQA money. Manufacturers pay for it. Artists pay for it. So ultimately it is the consumer that pays for it. That it sounds better than the original simply means it applies a filter.
Stop lying. I knew all of it.
Thanks for watching. I know some experts would already know everything I mentioned.
How about, "Maybe you don't know" Otherwise it sounds damn patronizing.
Thank U so much!!!
Thank you so much!
You're welcome!