The Battle of Isandlwana | Zulus Vs British | Total War Cinematic Battle

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  • @gumpster8913
    @gumpster8913 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +337

    I was skeptical about using the game for documentary graphics, but this is much, much better than a handful of reenactors!

    • @cinematicbattles559
      @cinematicbattles559  6 หลายเดือนก่อน +16

      Thanks I’m glad you liked it😁

    • @CBGSR
      @CBGSR 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

      Same! I've not seen an army toe battle done this way before, but the air and sea battles I've seen rarely come out looking good. I really enjoyed this.

    • @Alfie-ft3bx
      @Alfie-ft3bx 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +5

      @@CBGSR do you not remember time commanders where they got people to fight in a battle using this as a game?

    • @malcolmmitchell6529
      @malcolmmitchell6529 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

      Technology being used for educational purposes, sensibly narrated by a human being? Some mistake surely.

    • @malcolmmitchell6529
      @malcolmmitchell6529 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      Shome mishtake shurely.(yootyoob keep altering it.

  • @stvdagger8074
    @stvdagger8074 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +202

    In case you are wondering about the "the Zulu... ...put an end to a great dynasty" part of the ending quote by Prime Minister Disraeli, he is referring to the death of Louis-Napoléon, Prince Imperial, the only child of Emperor Napoleon III of France. Who was killed by a Zulu warrior on June 1, 1879.

    • @andreainzaghi7373
      @andreainzaghi7373 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +11

      thank you very much

    • @makisp.1428
      @makisp.1428 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

      Thank you!
      But I have to ask. Why is a Frenchman fighting the Zulus?
      Nevermind... I looked it up.

    • @stvdagger8074
      @stvdagger8074 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +30

      @@makisp.1428 In 1870, Emperor Napoleon III declared war on Prussia. He lead the main French Army into defeat and was captured. The French people deposed him and he went into exile in England. His son went to Sandhurst, a British military academy. In 1877, most of his classmates graduated and some were sent to fight the Zulu. The Prince volunteered to go to. He got an Assegai in hi
      s guts.

    • @FuckGoogle2
      @FuckGoogle2 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

      @@stvdagger8074 Everyone did, the zulu disemboweled every enemy as they believed opening up the stomach let out the spirit so it could not linger and cause harm, playing dead wouldn't have worked.

    • @CBGSR
      @CBGSR 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +7

      I never would have guessed anything close to that. Thanks for sharing.

  • @manuelacosta9463
    @manuelacosta9463 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +141

    Referring to the total eclipse that afternoon, the Zulus interpreted it as a sign that victory was at hand. In the lore that followed it is known as 'the day of the dead moon'. Pretty apt and eerie.

    • @cinematicbattles559
      @cinematicbattles559  7 หลายเดือนก่อน +11

      Yes I thought that too, what are the odds that there is an eclipse during a major battle? thanks for watching again bro

    • @jason200912
      @jason200912 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

      They could interpret anything as a sign of victory even if a thunderbolt struck their king

    • @DaveSCameron
      @DaveSCameron 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

      Sounds similar to Emperor Constantine and his vision of The Cross.

    • @Wolflord13
      @Wolflord13 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Whatever we feel about seeing signs in every little thing,"Day of the Dead Moon" still sounds absolutely metal

  • @kapitankapital6580
    @kapitankapital6580 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +268

    Something fitting about one of the most notorious defeats of the British Empire, the empire on which the sun never sets, happening during an eclipse.

    • @kapitankapital6580
      @kapitankapital6580 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      @penderyn8794 do you have a source for that? All the old works I can find only use "British" to refer to a combined Anglo-Scottish polity, for example Geoffrey of Monmouth writing about mythical "kings of Britain" or 17th Century Irish pamphlets referring to "British Protestants". I can't find it used derogatorily to refer to Celts. This would be quite surprising given the fact that "Welsh" is already a fairly derogatory exonym for those peoples (coming from the Anglo-Saxon for foreigners).

    • @neiltaylor513
      @neiltaylor513 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +5

      @@kapitankapital6580 he sounds like someone with a chip on his shoulde

    • @mpb6491
      @mpb6491 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

      ​@@neiltaylor513if he is British. We all do, it's a unequivocal part of being British. To have a chip on ones shoulder 😂

    • @jamiediver2945
      @jamiediver2945 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

      Rule Brittania.

    • @bigarmydave
      @bigarmydave 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      The Eclipse was a annular solar eclipse, so the sun never set. On top of this, you'd expect 20,000 zulu's to defeat 1,800 unprepared Brits. Ironically (and once the Red Coats got their shit together) The Brits annihilated the Zulu's from there onwards.

  • @legolover2588
    @legolover2588 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +22

    This was immensely informative and fun to watch

  • @saschiver
    @saschiver 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +15

    I'm watching this on my big telly and I have to say I'm impressed. Great graphics and good story telling. Should do a battle scene from all the wars lol well done 10/10

    • @cinematicbattles559
      @cinematicbattles559  6 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

      Thanks a lot I'm glad you enjoyed watching

  • @pissedoff-is1mt
    @pissedoff-is1mt 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +8

    An incredible victory. I own a Marini Henri and tho I haven't fired it, it is so easy and fast to load/reload and aim that charging against lines of them took some mighty big balls. Great job bud

  • @Lion_Heart_Zimbabwe
    @Lion_Heart_Zimbabwe 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +35

    As a Zimbabwean of British stock, one of my ancestors was a redcoat soldier who was sent to retrieve the Queen's colours from the battlefield. I believe that same flag was later presented to Queen Victoria. I salute both armies. Good, brave men on both sides.

  • @iangrimwood3345
    @iangrimwood3345 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +89

    An American general split his forces three years before and look what happened to him.

    • @4catsnow
      @4catsnow 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +7

      Britain had bad luck in these little flare ups...lot of the places they tried to colonize.. the locals really got an attitude...

    • @ElChimpy
      @ElChimpy 6 หลายเดือนก่อน

      I was thinking the same thing.

    • @andreainzaghi7373
      @andreainzaghi7373 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      indians had more fire arms and bows but a few ZULUS had fire arms
      it is not entirely true that ZULU could defet British on with spears

    • @Stephen-lx9nm
      @Stephen-lx9nm 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      ​@jasonyork9966If your a septic ,might want to worry about the ending of your occupation 😂

    • @Stephen-lx9nm
      @Stephen-lx9nm 6 หลายเดือนก่อน

      ​@@4catsnowNot quite has bad as the septicss Canada phillipines ,korea ,vietnam ,somalia Afghanistan 😂😂😂Paper tiger😂

  • @camrenwick
    @camrenwick 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +37

    Good to hear Sgt Bourne making comments

    • @DJCoachCookie68
      @DJCoachCookie68 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +7

      Colour Sergeant Bourne! Lol 'Alriight then! Nobody told you to stop working'

    • @checkpointcharlie1788
      @checkpointcharlie1788 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

      "...That's right sir, a prayer's as good as a bayonet on a day like this..."

    • @Bromley68
      @Bromley68 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      Hitch...Hitch?
      I've seen you Hitch, you're alive

  • @DeaconBlu
    @DeaconBlu 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +7

    Great vid!
    Thank You!

  • @hiramabiff2017
    @hiramabiff2017 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +14

    So enjoy these posts. Thank you.

  • @bammedia3429
    @bammedia3429 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +10

    Outstanding!

  • @ranica47
    @ranica47 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +33

    Watched a docu about this battle years ago and it was suggested that a lot of the British muskets jammed during the battle, a design flaw exacerbated by dust and prolonged firing. By the end it was spears versus rifle butts at which the Zulus were far more skilled.

    • @ryansta
      @ryansta 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

      @ranica47 Remember hearing the same thing. Was told the continuous firing caused some parts to expand within the mechanism due to the heat and the cartridges jammed. That along with the gun powder residue. Brutal days

    • @ryansta
      @ryansta 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      @@JumboCod91 Absolutely you're quite correct, hadn't noticed the OP had referred to them as muskets. The other info re them getting too hot after so much firing and the problem of the Martini action jamming as a result is relevant though as far as I know.

    • @Alfred5555
      @Alfred5555 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +5

      @@ryansta I've never heard anything about the guns jamming, just days later there was the Battle of Rourke's Drift, where the British fired the same rifles 10X as rapidly and continuously and fought off the Zulu army inflicting massive casualties.
      The official line I've always heard about the disaster at Isandlwana was essentially because the British were caught during camping, a sort of surprise attack, which the British didn't follow proper procedure to defend themselves. Mainly that they didn't make it a priority to pull down their tents and clear the field so proper formations could be formed. Causing a situation where the long range British troops are hemmed in their "urban" environment of tents, without a clear open long range view of targets, while the skilled foot warriors of Zulus could flood into the cramped environment and cut the British down in hand to hand combat.
      Unlike at Rourke's Drift were more standard urban fighting tactics were employed to great success since they knew what to expect, the Isandlwana army were expecting a sort of open field set piece battle.

    • @ryansta
      @ryansta 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +6

      @penderyn8794 There's no 'cope' within anything, anyone wrote. The Zulu Nation were incredibly brave and incredibly physically fit warriors. No one is claiming anything different. Their problem was, technically they were fighting with obsolete technology against what at the time was one of if not the leader of the Industrial Revolution. A vast difference in firepower.

    • @mingfortuna
      @mingfortuna 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +5

      There are still questions as to why the camp was overwhelmed, but it’s agreed that it was not one thing that doomed the British; Pulliene’s deployment leaving the 24th too overstretched to provide focused volley fire (there were large gaps between each company); the Natal Native Contingent routing and leaving the battle, leaving the left flank of the 24th line exposed; the regulars running out of ammunition and unable to maintain sustained volley fire (the ammo was in screwed down boxes on the wagons, severely handicapping distribution and leading to a reduction in concentrated rifle fire), to name a few. The Martini-Henry was reliable and could be repaired by a soldier during extended use (for example changing the firing pin), so I’m not entirely convinced weapon malfunction was a leading contributor to the defeat. The battle was a much shorter affair than Rourke’s Drift, and during that engagement the regulars were able to maintain a punishing rate of fire for hours and hours (there was ammo available thanks to the bravery of a few injured men who distributed it throughout the battle).

  • @zach7193
    @zach7193 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +5

    Well, this was something. Great. Thought it was the end of the Zulu war content on the channel. Even the channel saw the comment I made, said it was the end of the content following the Battle of Kambula. Maybe he tricked me. A prank. I think of this battle moreover than the Little Bighorn with Custer three years before the Zulu war. This battle had twice as many men killed in Custer's last stand. Overconfidence was a factor in the British loss. Chelmsford thought that a well-discipline force such as his would beat back an enemy armed with spears and shield. Chelmsford expected to be a easy victory. This was not the case.

    • @cinematicbattles559
      @cinematicbattles559  7 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Haha thanks, I thought I was not going to be able to make these due to some mod issues but I managed to get them all sorted. I will hopefully be releasing more in the near future as I really enjoy this topic 🙂

  • @jason200912
    @jason200912 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +17

    Terrifying to have a solar eclipse kn middle of battle

    • @Alfred5555
      @Alfred5555 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      It's things like that, happening fairly regularly to the British army due to it's widespread across the world and frequent skirmishing in the empire, that likely contributed to a lot of the ideas of the British Empire being a semi-mystical thing.

  • @kidthump
    @kidthump 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +5

    Another great video

  • @JD0124
    @JD0124 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +14

    Excellent work as always. 7:20 "OK! Time to go!"

  • @Knockout5111
    @Knockout5111 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

    I love this. It is a fantastic idea and outstanding work! More please!

  • @oneshotme
    @oneshotme 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    I very much enjoyed your video and I gave it a Thumbs Up

  • @bougeac
    @bougeac 10 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Brilliant depiction of the battle, how about little big horn next?

  • @georgesullivan4473
    @georgesullivan4473 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

    I remember watching "zulu" movie starring Michael Cane in Waiau, North Canterbury at my grandmother's place, my cousin Michelle kept on turning the volume up as loud as it would go for no reason other than to annoy me. My grandmother was doing kittens worrying about her prized TV 📺. I'm glad Michelle lives in Canada now. Lol 😂

  • @Caucasian60
    @Caucasian60 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Awesome video! Did you use Empire: Total War or Napoleon: Total War to make this?

  • @tatumergo3931
    @tatumergo3931 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +16

    The cinematic presents an erroneous depiction. The British were not form in a line abreast, but in a skirmish line and too far away from camp to receive ammunition resupply. That is the main reason why superior firepower was not achieved, unlike at Rorke's drift.

    • @procladius-cv1fl
      @procladius-cv1fl 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      Agreed. The companies were deployed in extended order with 20 feet between each man. There were also gaps between the companies.

  • @Mr_Goodall_CD
    @Mr_Goodall_CD 14 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

    "ZULU warrior" is a hazing ritual in the Canadian army. you dance naked while your colleagues throw beer at you.

  • @d.i.l.l.i.g.a.f.594
    @d.i.l.l.i.g.a.f.594 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +49

    🧐 "i say perkins, that zulu chaps waving his spear at you"
    😮 "Thats not his spear sir" !!

    • @Paulftate
      @Paulftate 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

      😂

    • @AnthonyWelsh-h5s
      @AnthonyWelsh-h5s 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

      😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂

    • @bowriver1
      @bowriver1 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      lol

    • @juda8054
      @juda8054 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      😂

    • @Agent1W
      @Agent1W 6 หลายเดือนก่อน

      A Braveheart moment?

  • @omondi_wa_butere
    @omondi_wa_butere 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    we have fought before, we will fight again, from 🇰🇪

  • @mateomarli8263
    @mateomarli8263 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    Is this a mod!? This looks amazing

  • @daveyboy6985
    @daveyboy6985 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +7

    Amazing you got this film footage of the battle,
    The men walked a bit jerky though.😁

    • @abstraqtphilosophy7357
      @abstraqtphilosophy7357 6 หลายเดือนก่อน

      😂 did you think it was real footage? You've never watched cartoon or played video games in your life?

    • @superhans85
      @superhans85 6 หลายเดือนก่อน

      You've never heard of a joke or sarcasm? ​@@abstraqtphilosophy7357

    • @daveyboy6985
      @daveyboy6985 6 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@abstraqtphilosophy7357 you mean it's not real🤭😲🥴

    • @daveyboy6985
      @daveyboy6985 6 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@abstraqtphilosophy7357 jokes aside, yeah I know it's not real.

    • @egay86292
      @egay86292 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      i thought color was invented in the 1940s.

  • @Cobble_PC
    @Cobble_PC 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

    I only wished this would’ve popped up on my recommended earlier. This is so cool.
    Also, who’s the narrator? You?
    And did you use any cinematic mods?
    And what PC is bro using?
    And is this OBS recorded?

    • @WildMorgan
      @WildMorgan 6 หลายเดือนก่อน

      AI narrator

  • @ThePilot4ever
    @ThePilot4ever 6 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Impressive showcase!

  • @BarbershopBytes-ox3dr
    @BarbershopBytes-ox3dr 22 วันที่ผ่านมา

    First let me say super impressive presentation.
    Honestly seeing this makes me more upset at modern movies and shows depicting battles.
    We have 20 something old game engines that they could mod and use legitimately in films and they still have guys running at cameras without formations.

  • @Victor-lr2xr
    @Victor-lr2xr หลายเดือนก่อน

    "Washing of the Spears" gives a good account.

  • @DeeDeeFrmThaB
    @DeeDeeFrmThaB 28 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

    If there is anything I learned about war tactics and strategy. Is that MOST of the time. Splitting up your forces usually results In a loss. Man oh’ man. Ain’t that right Santa Ana? 🤣

    • @BarbershopBytes-ox3dr
      @BarbershopBytes-ox3dr 22 วันที่ผ่านมา

      It works sometimes. If you use a weaker portion to separate the enemies stronger force defeat in detail regroup and crush the remaining.
      Cannae (216 BC)
      Mongols
      Chancellorsville (1863)
      Austerlitz (1805)
      Bulge (1944-1945)
      Midway (1942)

  • @Fatherofheroesandheroines
    @Fatherofheroesandheroines 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Peter O Toole played the arrogant Chelmsford to a tee. He was dismissive of the Zulus and didn't leave behind a strong commander. The results speak for themselves.

  • @Carlosdagama8
    @Carlosdagama8 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Can you do that battle of Aljaberrota in Portugal in 1386? This is when Portugal became a permenant nations.

  • @nsawatchlistbait289
    @nsawatchlistbait289 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Best total war ever made

  • @HendrixTaylor24
    @HendrixTaylor24 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    Love it. Also love being British. What a proud history.

    • @pkmcburroughs
      @pkmcburroughs 17 วันที่ผ่านมา

      Heheheh. Yeah. PROUD.
      Umm...what were they doing in Africa again?

    • @HendrixTaylor24
      @HendrixTaylor24 17 วันที่ผ่านมา

      @@pkmcburroughs delivering civilisation. Just look at the decline of Rhodesia since we left.

    • @pkmcburroughs
      @pkmcburroughs 17 วันที่ผ่านมา

      @@HendrixTaylor24 Heheh. Hilarious. And just look at how you all CRY about the people you "civilized" turning up on your shores now. Oh, and how many people did you all slaughter and enslave in your lofty efforts to "deliver civilization?" Quite a few, huh? Not in this case, of course.

    • @pkmcburroughs
      @pkmcburroughs 17 วันที่ผ่านมา

      @@HendrixTaylor24 And yet, how the tears do FLOW when those you "civilized" turn up at your doorstep. Heheh. And, speaking of decline, just look at the decline of England, in general. Clinging to your national colonization fetish only makes things more pathetic.

    • @HendrixTaylor24
      @HendrixTaylor24 17 วันที่ผ่านมา

      @@pkmcburroughs Yes, its true, since 1998 when Blair got in we have flooded the country with the third world. The decline is sad, but at least we had an empire, unlike whatever sordid little knoll you reside on top of.

  • @mz2062
    @mz2062 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Wasnt this battle a rear guard action really. Encampment was overrun rather than a pitched battle?

  • @kneedeepinbluebells5538
    @kneedeepinbluebells5538 4 วันที่ผ่านมา

    " ... a number of desperate last stands were made ... " You Mean HEROIC Don't You ? Well, Don't You ? ? 20,000 Against 800

  • @julianmorgan6875
    @julianmorgan6875 15 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Which Total War was used in the making of this video? I almost feel it’s a mod for Rome 2.

    • @cinematicbattles559
      @cinematicbattles559  14 วันที่ผ่านมา

      This Napoleon Total war with the khartum and Zulu mod

  • @markvenediktov6930
    @markvenediktov6930 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    Total war games are just fantastic. Shogun 2 is my fave close 2nd is rome 2

  • @austin2842
    @austin2842 2 วันที่ผ่านมา

    A defeat born from arrogance and a failure to respect the intelligence of their opponents.

  • @michalhasko883
    @michalhasko883 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

    what are you using for that documentasion

  • @soulman3696
    @soulman3696 19 วันที่ผ่านมา

    I love how the horses glitch out and smash into each other lol

  • @Hackboi5000
    @Hackboi5000 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Which total war game did you use to make this? What mod?

    • @cinematicbattles559
      @cinematicbattles559  3 หลายเดือนก่อน

      This is Napoleon Total War and im using the Khartum and Zulu mod

  • @Journeyman09
    @Journeyman09 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Do you use Total War Games? Which game feature this era?

    • @superhans85
      @superhans85 6 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Most likely Napoleon Total War

    • @superhans85
      @superhans85 6 หลายเดือนก่อน

      With mods

  • @MrMelmott
    @MrMelmott 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

    The British decision to leave their heavy machine guns at base … created the opportunity for Zulus to prevail due to force of numbers !!

    • @egay86292
      @egay86292 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      likely. but i think Teutonic arrogance was far more deadly.

    • @Alfred5555
      @Alfred5555 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      ​@@egay86292 I don't know if it was arrogance, since days later at Rourke's Drift the disaster at Isandlwana was repaid with miracle. From what I've heard the army at Isandlwana just didn't follow proper procedure in general, mainly the collapsing of tents so to form proper formations, etc, leaving behind guns could of just as easily been tactical incompetents of thinking it's not worth carrying them, rather than arrogance. It's not like British weren't well aware of the reality of fighting skilled foot warriors with guns, it was major news across the Empire were a British square was broken by I think Mameluks in Egypt, Kipling even commemorated in a famous poem.

  • @Forgieborg
    @Forgieborg 4 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Ima a huge total war buff, what game and mod is this?

    • @cinematicbattles559
      @cinematicbattles559  4 หลายเดือนก่อน

      This is Napoleon total war with the khartum and Zulu mod

  • @NewKanyeFan
    @NewKanyeFan 6 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Great video. I only want to say for a more authentic environment, using Napoleon TW, the battle should have been done somewhere in southern Spain to more closely resemble where the battle took place

  • @MrMelmott
    @MrMelmott 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    Some of the British officers fled the scene on horseback claiming they were guarding the colors .. later awarded bongs for “bravery. “

    • @MrMAC8964
      @MrMAC8964 6 หลายเดือนก่อน

      so the British officers were pot heads ?

    • @stevetheduck1425
      @stevetheduck1425 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      They died. The attempt is shown quite realistically in 'Zulu Dawn'.
      Some of Durnford's Horse got to Rorke's drift but didn't stop, some of the Natal Native Contingent as well.
      In fact the Zulus who crossed the river and attacked Rorke's Drift did so against their King's orders.
      The whole British attack on Zululand was the idea of a businessman who managed to convince Chelmsford that an attack was a good idea, and it flew in the face of agreed treaties.

    • @MrMelmott
      @MrMelmott 6 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@stevetheduck1425 they were awarded Victoria crosses for their attempt to escape the field of battle “saving the colours “ 😝

  • @SuperVolsung
    @SuperVolsung 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Do Blood River or Rorkes Drift next

    • @cinematicbattles559
      @cinematicbattles559  6 หลายเดือนก่อน

      I have done both of those but they are older videos so the quality may not be as good but check them out and let me know what you think!

  • @DerekYoung-h4w
    @DerekYoung-h4w 8 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Disappointed with the graphics, I have visited Isandlwana, the British line was spread out and would have had gaps as well as an open flank. The ground is very open and needed to have been fortified to give the 24th Foot any chance of successfully holding the camp. Chelmsford was a poor commander who committed the ultimate crime of underestimating his opponents.

  • @Dackah
    @Dackah 28 วันที่ผ่านมา

    quite good for a general idea of what happened-but the British firing line was too extended-a single line of men , each about 3 yards apart and extending over a mile-it was hopeless.

  • @J.Lalrindika
    @J.Lalrindika 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

    which total war game is this? Napoleon?

  • @JTB198819962006
    @JTB198819962006 6 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Can you make a video about the Battle of Imjin River during the Korean War?

  • @butchbinion1560
    @butchbinion1560 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Thanks. ✌🏻👊🏼

  • @donallally5504
    @donallally5504 7 วันที่ผ่านมา

    The British Commanders badly underestimated the Zulus and what they could do. So it proved to be

  • @burroc5536
    @burroc5536 4 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Uhhh can I play this? Is this a mod for total war?

  • @turdferguson2839
    @turdferguson2839 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    A highly trained, more advanced military underestimating and disregarding a much larger, less advanced military and getting slaughtered... it's amazing how similar this battle is to the battle of little bighorn.

    • @OriginalNiceButOdd
      @OriginalNiceButOdd 6 หลายเดือนก่อน

      And the whole Vietnam War

    • @arthriticgrandpa2875
      @arthriticgrandpa2875 6 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Although it’s important to note that the Zulu forces still suffered heavier casualties here.

  • @lukeskywanker7839
    @lukeskywanker7839 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

    What Total War game is this?

  • @Brans-zy8dx
    @Brans-zy8dx 6 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Would have been cool if you added Lt Melvill & Lt Coghill carrying the Queens colours out of battle and loosing their lives in the river saving the flag

    • @cinematicbattles559
      @cinematicbattles559  6 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      Yes you are right I should have added this

  • @Alebravo-zd1on
    @Alebravo-zd1on 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

    What mod is this? and what total war game is this? is it napoleon total war? or total war empire?

    • @cinematicbattles559
      @cinematicbattles559  3 หลายเดือนก่อน

      This is Napoleon Total War with the Khartum and Zulu mod

  • @donallally5504
    @donallally5504 7 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Amazingly Lord Chelmsford didn't lose his rank or his place in the army or in British Society

  • @joycekoch5746
    @joycekoch5746 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +6

    The Zulu's had an odd belief about the afterlife.
    To them if the entrails of a corpse were cut out the soul would be trapped
    as a ghost on Earth and could not ascend to heaven. This was why after the battle
    the Zulus cut open the stomachs of the British and gutted them. This gives one a insight
    how high the hatred level existed for the Zulu's against the British and this was not just a battle
    in a classical sense that would exist in Europe but a contest where the hatred was so total
    that they wished to damn their opponents as shades for eternity.

    • @byznt7447
      @byznt7447 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +6

      Or maybe the zulus were just unpleasant people

    • @joycekoch5746
      @joycekoch5746 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +6

      @@byznt7447 They were brave and noble in some ways but terrible as well. Their undoing was they had many enemies by the time the British showed up not unlike the Aztecs facing the Spanish.

    • @catocall7323
      @catocall7323 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      @@joycekoch5746 Thanks for mentioning that, people don't understand that the most powerful weapon Cortes used against the Aztec were other Aztec armies in dispute ver the Aztec succesion and the surrounding tribes that loathed and despised the Aztecs for the regular atrocities the Aztecs inflicted upon them.
      Gunpowder and horses were just shock weapons that the Spanish employed at opportune moments but they didn't have enough of either to achieve victory through those means alone.

    • @JM-dy4ty
      @JM-dy4ty 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      They opened their chests to let their souls ascend, only the bravest were given this “honour” and it happened to Napoleon the Prince Imperial, after he had bravely fought many zulus and was overrun in an ambush.

    • @tamlandipper29
      @tamlandipper29 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Without looking it up, I am almost certain the opposite is true. They cut bellies to release warriors.
      This makes intuitive sense, as if you've ever seen bodies bloating it looks extra undignified. Cutting the belly isn't mutilation, really.

  • @HEHOPMALEH
    @HEHOPMALEH 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

    The soldier with the trumpet just doesnt give a fuck

    • @cinematicbattles559
      @cinematicbattles559  6 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

      He’s a different breed

    • @saltydegen
      @saltydegen 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      Englishman

    • @pkmcburroughs
      @pkmcburroughs 17 วันที่ผ่านมา

      You should have heard the saxophone player.

  • @walthammassagefitness
    @walthammassagefitness 15 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Somebody watched Zulu Dawn 200 times like my Dad!!

  • @smoothmicra
    @smoothmicra 6 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Looks very much like a video game. I'd play this!

    • @wtfpatrick9975
      @wtfpatrick9975 6 หลายเดือนก่อน

      It’s called empire total war the units are a mod

    • @cinematicbattles559
      @cinematicbattles559  6 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Yes it is😁the game is napoleon: total war and I’m using the khartum and Zulu mod

    • @dritzzhaynes7217
      @dritzzhaynes7217 20 วันที่ผ่านมา

      @@cinematicbattles559 is this mod on steam or MODDB?

  • @manueldeabreu1980
    @manueldeabreu1980 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

    To be 1 to 1 or close to it in losses when one side has firearms and the other does not is an epic failure and defeat.

  • @earyoung5066
    @earyoung5066 หลายเดือนก่อน

    thick wood shield could prevent bullets. zulu didn't know it or there were no trees?

  • @Klown84
    @Klown84 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    The zulus got away with this one but later were beaten at Rorkes drift and subjugated accordingly which resulted in the Empire continuing unabated 🏴󠁧󠁢󠁥󠁮󠁧󠁿🇬🇧

    • @LoganTellsHistoryZW
      @LoganTellsHistoryZW 22 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

      And to note.
      The zulus were also defeated at the battle of inyezane which took place the same time as isandlwana just 100 miles apart.

  • @MM-zg4wu
    @MM-zg4wu 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

    "March separately, fight together" - Napoleon, defeated by British.

  • @Whiskers4169
    @Whiskers4169 6 หลายเดือนก่อน

    which game and mod did you use ?

    • @cinematicbattles559
      @cinematicbattles559  6 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Napoleon total war and the Khartum and Zulu mod

  • @altiyoltercume4861
    @altiyoltercume4861 หลายเดือนก่อน

    That is unbelievable that Zulu casualties are almost equal to the number of British force that these trained and experienced soldiers equipped with firearms could kill only 1 zulu per solider... how it could happen?

  • @RickyRyan718
    @RickyRyan718 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +7

    It’s a shame Africa didn’t develop the same way as the west, British forces are centuries ahead of Africa, scary thought

    • @Eric-qm5xw
      @Eric-qm5xw 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      I don’t know why they invented the wheel and the lightbulb and resided in the kingdom of Wakanda 😂

    • @samanth.
      @samanth. 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      history is not yet over

  • @Simposaune
    @Simposaune 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    6:53 that British flag lol 🤣🤣

  • @Stellar2010
    @Stellar2010 4 หลายเดือนก่อน

    What game is this?

  • @MyScotty7
    @MyScotty7 6 หลายเดือนก่อน

    20000 v 4000 is abit outnumbered,which school did these officers go to??

  • @StephenCowley001
    @StephenCowley001 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Which bishops were converted? What were they converted to?

    • @stvdagger8074
      @stvdagger8074 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      Probably a reference to John Colenso, Anglican Bishop of Natal. He developed some controversial religious opinion, some of which appeared to be influenced by African religious practices, which resulted in attempts to excommunicate and depose him. He also opposed the invasion of Zululand. See en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Colenso

    • @stvdagger8074
      @stvdagger8074 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      n case you are wondering about the "the Zulu... ...put an end to a great dynasty" part of that quote by Prime Minister Disraeli, he is referring to the death of Louis-Napoléon, Prince Imperial, the only child of Emperor Napoleon III of France. He was killed by a Zulu warrior on June 1, 1879.

  • @舔共最前線
    @舔共最前線 6 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Is the movie based on "Fall of the Samurai" or "Empire"?

    • @cinematicbattles559
      @cinematicbattles559  6 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      This was based on a movie called "Zulu Dawn"

    • @舔共最前線
      @舔共最前線 6 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@cinematicbattles559
      I know, thanks, but what I want to know is what version of Total War are you using?

  • @BipoIarbear
    @BipoIarbear 6 หลายเดือนก่อน

    The fact there was an eclipse is mindblowing to me 😳

    • @cinematicbattles559
      @cinematicbattles559  6 หลายเดือนก่อน

      I know right... what are the odds such a creepy thing to happen during a battle

    • @BipoIarbear
      @BipoIarbear 6 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@cinematicbattles559 both sides would have probably been like "we caused it"🤣

  • @ElectricNeonOfficial
    @ElectricNeonOfficial 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    I always find it hilarious that the one empire who claimed to be the strongest would lose wars against natives and pissed off farmers.

  • @N238E
    @N238E 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    All those Zulus are now in London.

    • @andilenyandeni5305
      @andilenyandeni5305 7 วันที่ผ่านมา

      No we are still in KZN and we are fine. You can keep you little London🎉

  • @psychodoxie6987
    @psychodoxie6987 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

    They should've fought like the voortrekkers in wagon forts and make use of cavalry

  • @Agent1W
    @Agent1W 6 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Decisive Battles Industrial Era: Isandlwana.

  • @rai8558
    @rai8558 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

    what mods are used in this?

  • @Brendan-q2j
    @Brendan-q2j 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +12

    Great example of British Exceptionalism.

    • @helpmentalhealthhomelessness
      @helpmentalhealthhomelessness 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      Invading and colonizing that exceptionalism?

    • @markantony4674
      @markantony4674 6 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Buh buh cry me a river !​@@helpmentalhealthhomelessness

    • @reanukeeves2k77
      @reanukeeves2k77 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +7

      @@helpmentalhealthhomelessness as every country did in those days, only the Brits were better at it

    • @OathofthePeachGarden
      @OathofthePeachGarden 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

      ​@@helpmentalhealthhomelessnesszulus were invaders

    • @helpmentalhealthhomelessness
      @helpmentalhealthhomelessness 6 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @OldHunterGehrman101 (oh come on) did zulu go to Europe and invade European, also enrich themselves from the back of European. Zulu had tribal affairs that led to conflict and invasion, which often happens. But do not compare zulu invasion to English colonist invasion.

  • @Im-Red-Faction
    @Im-Red-Faction 6 หลายเดือนก่อน

    What game is this? And or mod?

    • @cinematicbattles559
      @cinematicbattles559  6 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      Napoleon total war with the Khartum and Zulu mod

    • @Im-Red-Faction
      @Im-Red-Faction 6 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@cinematicbattles559 thank you very much! This game looks fun! Is it like a sandbox game like ultimate battle simulator is?

  • @TheCsel
    @TheCsel 4 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Some of the script copy pasted from wikipedia.

  • @alexanderh.5814
    @alexanderh.5814 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    It was a victory for the Zulu but at a very high cost. Almost 3 times as many KIA than the British. Zulu couldn’t keep up with those loses.

    • @arthriticgrandpa2875
      @arthriticgrandpa2875 6 หลายเดือนก่อน

      That was a big trend of the Zulu war really.

  • @Izanagi.05
    @Izanagi.05 4 หลายเดือนก่อน

    what is this mod man this is insane

    • @cinematicbattles559
      @cinematicbattles559  4 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      The Khartum and Zulu mod , it’s great

    • @Izanagi.05
      @Izanagi.05 4 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@cinematicbattles559 thanks mate

  • @jonlannister345
    @jonlannister345 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Despite the technology, I reckon an English army from 300 years before would have faired better. Still a massive firepower advantage, backed by metal armour and men well-skilled in hand to hand combat.

    • @cinematicbattles559
      @cinematicbattles559  3 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Yes that is a good point, I never thought of that

  • @artv.9989
    @artv.9989 6 หลายเดือนก่อน

    I dont get it, couldnt archers easily take out rifle troops like those

  • @MaelstromTailcatchter
    @MaelstromTailcatchter 22 วันที่ผ่านมา +3

    You can see from the comment section that these wars are about so much more than land..So many ideologically bound racists.

    • @neilwhite6305
      @neilwhite6305 21 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

      Seriously how is a battle about racist racist

  • @captainhurricane5705
    @captainhurricane5705 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    This was not a decisive victory for the Zulus at all. It was an embarrassing loss for the British, but nothing more than that.

  • @ronlucock3702
    @ronlucock3702 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +12

    It seems other people don't like it when you invade their lands. We never learn.

    • @untitled55354
      @untitled55354 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +5

      The Zulu had done that as well during its empire building - albeit on a much smaller scale.

    • @ejakeulater4990
      @ejakeulater4990 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +6

      Why do you think they were a warrior society? It wasnt ti have afternoon tea. Invading nation gets invaded its the circle of life

    • @YunsAvatar
      @YunsAvatar 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      You need to actually look up the Zulu a little then.
      They invaded and destroyed (or forced joining of their warrior society) essentially all of their fellow African neighbors.
      Also, the British were there at the plea of the Dutch Boer settlers that were in increasing conflict with the Zulu.
      Finally, the straw that broke it all was that a group of Zulu refugees that had fled to British land were hunted down and killed by Zulu warriors in a violation of accepted British territory and law.

  • @alexc8209
    @alexc8209 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +17

    There is so much WRONG with this video. Although it has a lot of commendable elements it totally misses the most important aspects of and reasons for this defeat of a British force by an African army. This discredits both the British and the Zulus btw.
    If you want to understand this battle then please read a book, or ten books and dont be misled by this video.
    look at 9:30 which shows zulus suddenly in close combat with the British line with no explanation and an impression that they simply ran up to them. ridiculous. A very poor and lazy part of an otherwise ok video.
    Vitally important to any explanation of this battle is that first the rate of fire the British line slowed down. This gave the zulus in the chest of their army some hope that they could rush them but it wasnt enough on its own for the zulus to stand up and rush them. This wasnt because the British 'ran out' of ammo but it is because they were getting low and the zulus had gone to ground (crawling slowly through the grass) and were no longer advancing boldly towards the British. Still this encouraged the Zulus who saw it as a good sign.
    Second and most importantly to this whole battle is that the Zulu left wing or 'horn' attacked and wiped out the most extreme right wing company of the British line after Durnfords sudden and unexpected retreat. The zulus didnt simply attack the centre of the British line unsupported, they attacked the right side of the line and began to roll it up and only when the chest of the zulu army saw this they charged forward into the centre of the British line to join those who had attacked the British right.
    This flank attack only happened because the Zulu left horn had ran quite far to outflank the British line and they were being held off by Durnford on his own. BUT and most crucially Durnford had not made any arrangements for getting ammunition to his men and unforgivably he retreated back to the camp without warning Pulleine or any other British officer. This sudden gallop back to the camp allowed the left horn Zulus to rush towards the extreme right flank of the British line and wipe them out. That said Pulliene should have seen the danger and reinforced Durnford or withdrawn his long line before the retreat happened. This leads to a very important detail which is that Pulleine foolishly tried to defend the same line that Chelmsford had laid out for 4000 men. Pulleines smaller force was too thin to defend such a long line and so the men in the right wing companies were standing several yards apart from each other, not shoulder to shoulder. When the zulus closed with them from their right and rear they were overwhelmed in seconds. If someone doesnt understand these details which are not in this video then they cannot possibly understand the battle.
    Also may I say that the British companies shown here are HUGE. In reality a company of the 1st Battalion 24 foot at Isandlwhana was about 90 men not the 2 or 3 hundred shown here and those on the right of the line were in very open order not closed order as shown here.
    I could go on and on but I will stop here. I only write because the comments here dont seem to understand that the important details of this battle are left out for some reason.
    Personally I love the history of the two invasions of Zululand in general. I have casually researched it for about 40 years. I have forgotten more than most know about it but the important things I remember really should have been in any video that wants to explain what happened and why.

    • @johnbuggy9121
      @johnbuggy9121 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +7

      Great post. Very informative.

    • @eunicearcilla2321
      @eunicearcilla2321 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

      I guess details like these are hard to replicate using a videogame

    • @bieituns
      @bieituns 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      Make your own video if you think you can do better

    • @alexc8209
      @alexc8209 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      @@bieituns childish comment.

    • @bieituns
      @bieituns 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      @@alexc8209 It's your comment that's childish. Can't stand the critics and armchair generals. Only too happy to criticise others and point out how things should be done but never do anything themselves.

  • @Mfanawenkhani
    @Mfanawenkhani 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Where can I get the game?

    • @sakhilencobo4414
      @sakhilencobo4414 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

      It's not a game, buy a movie

    • @cinematicbattles559
      @cinematicbattles559  2 หลายเดือนก่อน

      The game is Napoleon Total War and i'm using the Khartum and Zulu mod

  • @mparssfo
    @mparssfo 6 หลายเดือนก่อน

    I refuse to watch AI narrated videos, otherwise I am sure I would have liked this.

  • @David1701G
    @David1701G 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +8

    No many mentioned of the supply of ammunition which caused a reduction of the rate of fire, allowing the Zulu's to surge forward.

    • @pauls064
      @pauls064 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

      Because it never happened. One of the old wives tales raised by pseudo historians on history channel etc…

    • @David1701G
      @David1701G 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      @@pauls064 It is claimed, Chelmford ordered the supply boxes bolted down , there have been claimed the '45 round casing were of poor quality. Plus the columns were too far from the supply wagons

    • @pauls064
      @pauls064 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      @@David1701G “it’s claimed” yes, by cable tv revisionists who want to make dramatic “documentaries". But all battlefield evidence and eyewitness accounts indicate no troops on the firing line, or anywhere on the field at isandlwana ever ran low on ammo. Younghusband’s band on the far left fired until their final charge, durnford on the right fell back because the left horn flanked them.

    • @abstraqtphilosophy7357
      @abstraqtphilosophy7357 6 หลายเดือนก่อน

      ​@@David1701Gwithout their guns and canons, the British forces were useless. Horrendous hand to hand combatants. What would European and American warriors be without guns? Nothing.

    • @michael3088
      @michael3088 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

      @@abstraqtphilosophy7357 Thats not remotely true, usually in european warfair they fire a few volleys and close in with bayonets for a reason and officers were extrextremely well trained in swordsmanship. What did them in was the british were outnumberd 10-1. There's a very good book called 'Swordsmen of the British Empire' which is filled with lots of first hand accounts of men who had combat experience, that discribes many native sword styles around the empire and how british officers often cross trained the martial arts with their own military sabre style.