2024 Evolution R255 Dual R&P fence table saw, after a week
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 31 พ.ค. 2024
- Evolution tablesaws like the Rage 5S have been a standard in a lot of small workshops from hobbyists, enthusiasts, contractors and all sorts of woodworkers for years. 2024 brings the R255 TBL and R255 TBL+, and after using it for a few days, here are my thoughts
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I like the new presentation/video format, style ... all you need in the 1st 5mins ... then honest opinions in more detail after, keep up the good work matey !
Thanks!!
Hi Dean, welcome back. I have the Rage 5s which I will now be selling & going for the R255 TBL+ plus model. However, I noticed that the riving knife was very high & although mentioned, we never got to see the the crown guard. Great first impressions, well done.
It seems I forgot to add that bit in the edit! The crown guard is fairly straight forward and nothing overly special. The riving knife is high for it, but in the manual it showed the riving knife can be lowered - I don’t know if mine doesn’t because it’s not the plus, or because it’s pre-production, but I wasn’t able to speak to Evolution about it due to Easter. I’ll update when I know more though
Was saving up for a rage 5 then this came up your video and the review from the small barn workshop made the decision simple thanks Dean big upgrade from my Aldi Schepach hope the move hasn’t left you too out of sorts 👍
W O W !!! this is the best saw I've ever seen... damn man, you sold it to me!
I have the rage saw so this a great upgrade. Thanks for the review. Glad to see you back.
I’ll definitely do a long term review much later in the year, but early impressions have been pretty great!
Rage 5s owner here. I'd love the new + model but it's not justified. I've removed my 5s from the stand and fixed it onto the end of my workbench which is what i'd do with a new one.
Evolution have packed in some features and improvements with this new saw and for a more than competitive price.
You're looking well Dean, glad everything is coming together. 👌🏻
Thanks for watching!
How is your fence is it straight when you move it and clamp it down?
Great review a big step up from the rage 5 machine Thanks
Thank you, I absolutely agree
Excellent review i am looking for my first ever table saw to help me with my DIY and will be looking into purchasing one of these Thankyou for a great review it has helped me a lot 👍
Hi Dean, Evolution are sending me this saw to help me with a few workshop alterations, so I though I had better have a look around to see what videos are out on them already. Yours came up first and I'm so glad it did. You have a wonderful presenting style which also comes across as being very honest and personal. I have subscribed :D
good to see you back Dean and a good honest review
More of an early impressions, but I think I was pretty thorough (other than forgetting to add the clip of the crown guard in the edit lol)
Looks great thanks for posting, will definitely be replacing my einhell kickback monster with this. Was saving for an Axminster but mainly for a lot of the features found here so you've saved me a bit cheers!
Glad I could help
No plans on buying a new saw, but love watching your videos . Glad you are back. Fan from across the pond.
Thank you!
Great review !!!!! thank you
Thank you for commenting! 😊
Hi Dean, nice review - thanks. Looks like they have improved a couple of issues that I struggled with. Do you have any idea when this new model will be available in Australia?
Really nice review. Earned a sub and a pre order of that saw!
I hope you love it, thanks!
I've pre-ordered this table saw and ordered some saxton blades that are flat tooth and made for the evolution saw without reducer rings. These are supposed to be 2.9mm and not 6mm like the cmt but they are 255mm so even with a sled you have higher cutting capacity. Will have to do more laps when grooving/dadoing but you can leave it there for everything else.
Big old thick blades can make a bit of a mess of some wood when through cutting but I hope you like it, and importantly I hope you like the saw!
Im glad you're back Dean. And wow i really like the new shop. The table saw looks like a decent saw as well
The new workshop will be good when it’s sorted out, fingers crossed lol
Thanks mate.
Solid first impressions overview that mate. For a budget site type saw, that looks packed with some decent features.👍
Thanks buddy!! Yeah it’s a solid little thing for the money
Good honest review. I’ve been looking at the Rutland version, but you now given me another option.
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Seems like a solid machine with good features.
I like to see more on dust extraction system. I have the rage 5s and it throws dust everywhere even with a shopvac connected.
Thank you for a great review.
Unfortunately I don’t have a vac in the workshop yet until I move my old stuff over, but I’ll add it to the list of potential videos 👍👍
Take a look at Small Barn Workshop which should answer your dust extraction questions and then some th-cam.com/video/yjMp_ALYIMw/w-d-xo.htmlsi=U86SeUSlUa7NZqAe
Great review ❤
Thanks for watching
Good review. Looks like a great saw.
It’s definitely pretty good!
Welcome back, you've been missed. Hope the health and bungalow are improving daily, take care mate!
Cheers
Solid honest review. I'm building a workshop (large shed) in a couple of months and was pretty much sold on the Rage 5 S but now it'll defiantly R255 TBL+, hopefully you're affiliate link still works then as a want the table saw and an Evolution mitre saw when the time comes, thanks.
Thanks, I’m glad you liked it, good luck with the workshop, I’m going to be making a bunch of videos about my conversion of the garage to a workshop soon 😁
Thank you for your review. Since I need it ONLY for metal cuttung, Evolution is the only Brand I could find with low RPM table saw's for metal. I could only find Festool table saw with variable rpm. But Festool has a whole different price. I will get the new R255 when It will be avaliable in EU. (Currently only UK)
Thanks, your review helped me a lot.
A very good review Dean, good to see you back 👍. I've seen a few reviews of this saw now, all positive and I think Evolution have a winner with these, they should sell well. Very similar in several aspects to my Dewalt 7485.
Cheers!
Except the sliding tray and a 2,54mm bore, I'm quite surprised how close this saw is compared to the Rutlands !!!
Same fence with two positions, rack and pinions, motor alignment screw, rising and beveling wheel, chassis, many things indeed…
That said, I'm an Evolution fan boy as I own a Rage 5S since 2021 !
Hi Dean hope your well, looks a decent table saw, the good weigh out the bad and very good for the workshop and the DIYer, Brushed motors are good but can be noisy, plenty of out put with a 1.65 Kw motor. a good honest review and great video mate, Take care
Cheers Shaun
Glad to see you back.
This saw seems very similar to the Skil job site saw for sale in the US. I’d rather have the sliding bed and metal throat plate on the evolution over the integrated legs on the Skil any day.
Same here
Nice review Dean 👍 Regards JP
You too fella!
Can you please make in future video about dado blades on this saw, and it would be useful to see how to calibrate it to perfect squares.
@RPserge you cant fit dado blades to saw tables imported to the UK. The reason is our health & safety executive consider them too dangerous for use on saw tables intended for non professional use. Dado blades are available but only for professional saws with electric breaking and other refinements.
Imported saws do not have arbours long enough to allow dado blade fitting. If they made saws with longer arbours and a dado blade was fitted, resulting in injury, the saw manufacturer would be liable. Therefore they play safe.
The alternative saws cost thousands and usually require 3 phase power.
Unfortunately you can't get these in Australia it's a pity you're review has me wanting one.
Welcome back Dean. Nice review on a desirable bit o gear. Still sounds like a gun shot at start up. As I'm only 1 year into the Rage 5-s, it'll be a few years before I can justify the cost of a new saw. Take care & stay safe.
The 5s is still a solid saw, and its challenges can definitely be worked around. There’s also loads of TH-cam videos about making them better as they’ve been so popular - the router insert is a great mod by the looks of it
Bosh! That’s how to do a review. No blah blah blah. Great catch about the cross cut and the fence.
Thank you!
It’s a shame it doesn’t ship with the 90 degree exhaust elbow. My plus version shipped with the splitter attachment. Great video. You are the reason I bought mine
Hello Dean! Nice one to watch for an introduction to your channel, so a new sub here, thank you for sharing this pre-production review… 👍🏻
I would really like to upgrade from my existing Metabo to take advantage of the many things it is missing, but cannot justify to SWMBO… 😜
Anyway, I now look forward to watching your development of the new workshop with interest, hope it all goes well… 😉
Highlight that it upgrades safety in the workshop and ask her if she likes her other half having all their fingers lol
Thank you, and I hope you enjoy the channel!!
Nice 'first impressions' vid, Dean 👍 Look forward to the more in-depth review and the others but, what with everything else going on, remember to pace yourself and take it easy.
Just a thought on the non-magnetic surface and magnetic accessories - presumably you could attach a suitably-sized, magnet-friendly, metal plate to a mitre-slot runner and/or t-bar clamp(s) and once firmly in position, attach those accessories to that plate? Wouldn't be a solution for everything or every situation but might be useful for things like magswitch feather boards and the like.
The long term review will definitely be after a fair few months of use so not rushing that bad boy!
Good idea about using the mitre slots, but to be honest there are other mechanical options that use those better. The magnet is just helpful because it can go anywhere
Hi. Great video. Is the any chance you could tell me the physical dimens of the table, im a tad restricted to storage space!
Dean, glad to see you. NIce review. However, I thought we were doing rehabs on good old saws; what's up? Nice review. Well you throw around 300 mil and then a 1/1000 of an inch...what? Your point about the dado blade is well taken. The good news for you is that you can take one of your table saws and install the dado blade as a semi-permanent solution. Once I can afford another saw, this is what I plan on doing. It only depends then on what thickness of lumber one works with to make the initial set-up.
I mention that I’m still going to finish building the other saw 😊 metric and imperial bilingual
@@WoodworkJourney Dean, you're absolutely correct and I did hear you say it at the very end of the video, so I'm sorry I prematurely hit the send button. Also, I, too, am bilingual. I speak both good and bad English. Have a great day and keep up the good work!
That's a really nicely speced saw. Great vid! :)
Thanks!
Hi Dean nice to see you I think what would be good is if you could buy the sliding mitre slot to fit to the rage 5s so you could use different mitre gauge
Thanks, you can use whatever mitre gauge you want on the 5s as well, you just have to make or buy a different size mitre bar to the standard. I’m sorry pleased they used standard size on this one though. Ironically I’ve had cast iron top table saws with non standard mitre slots as well and that’s super annoying
Whats the dust extraction like? Seems pitiful on most saws despite the extraction system used.
Decent review, thanks. Question, can you share the amazon link for 6 mm CMT blade, us it compatible with rage 5s table saw?
Will do once I’ve tested it :)
That is a very nice table saw, Dean! Has lots of features my Bosch GTS 10 J doesn't have.
Good to see you back in the shop again, nice to hear the bungalow is getting along also. Hope your moving in goes well too!
Thank you!
Nice copy of the dewalt 7492 with some improvements and cheaper… I just bought the Dewalt a couple of months ago. If i had known…
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Hey Dean, does the fence offer the same cutting capacity if you move it over to the left of the blade? Does the rack and pinion system go the same distance the other way? For some reason I feel much safer doing stuff over that side so I can be out of the way of any kickback but still use my right hand easily to push stuff through the cut.
It does not I’m afraid
@@WoodworkJourney Ah that’s a shame, thanks for the reply though.
Seems like the very popular Dewalt saw that is a good chunk more than this saw and has me looking at the new cast top Laguna that has come up for £1100 has serious competition here!
Looking at the upper spec one being listed at £450 this seems excellent value. Would love to know how easy getting the blade aligned with the mitre slots is as that always seems to be the toughest bit with these site saws. Can’t wait for the future videos as this is a serious contender for a workshop addition!
Super easy on this saw, there’s an adjuster just for that job. The Dewalt and Laguna are apples to oranges though, site saws like these still offer great value but not comparable to a cabinet saw
@@WoodworkJourney I know the Laguna is a different beast but the price step from the Dewalt to that is the same as the difference between this and the Dewalt making this a very attractive option to see if a table saw is a tool I will use a lot or not.
Besides sliding table, that's an exact copy of the skil table saw. Even the blade adjustment is exactly the same.
If a duck had a tail it would be a squirrel
Nice saw overall but I have one problem with Evolution tools.. It's their Disc Bore Size they use (25,4mm) as I remember. I have miter saw from Evolution and it was paint in but to switch to other saw blades... I had to use some reduction ring which wasn't that stable at all as proper size bore blade. I see same saw blade here which probably mean the same problem.. They force you to purchase they branded blades for it. Beside that it does not have stop brake and that blade spins way way too long after cut of the power. It's not safe. But you mentioned it's a pre-production model so hopefully they will include some brake stop in final build.
I mentioned in the video that adapter rings are necessary for normal bore blades, and that’s fine as the large washer before the nut holds the blade and that’s outside if the reduction ring
Also I’ve had old saws that take WAY longer to slow down, but as I mention in the video, the + model has the slow start and e brake
Hard start is a good thing to have on a table saw. You should be afraid every time you turn it on. Certainly not a tool to be complacent with!
It’s ok, we can disagree, newbies are already concerned about the spinning death machine, they don’t need lights to dim and the sound of a meteor crash to be reminded of that IMO
Hi Dean, Nice saw and nice review. Do you have to buy Evolution's blades only to have waranty on the product ( Just as the Rage 5S )? Does waranty works with blades from Bosch/Freud or CMT or others ? I agree that there are some differences ( motor's RPMs, arbor size- not a good idea for me ) but there are a lot of things in common with SKIL or ERBAUER. If it doen't come from the same factory in China, it's just coming from next door's factory...😂😂😂
No idea about the blade thing, is surprising if that’s the case, hopefully someone from Evolution will clarify
You have no idea as to how relieved I am to see you with a decent and safer to use table saw.... One thing you didn't mention was a blade guard. Does it have one?
Yes it does, it seems I forgot to add that clip in the edit, isn’t anything special but it’s there
Are they made in the UK? I know the HQ is based in Sheffield but unable to work out if this product is made there or if they have outsourced production to China or elsewhere? I want to purchase British made products but so hard to find out from all the tool suppliers which products are and are not British made. Maybe an idea for future blog?
I believe the evolution company is UK but the product is manufactured in China. I’ve talked about UK made stuff in the past and unfortunately very few tool makers still manufacture here. I don’t believe there’s a UK company that manufactures machinery like table saws, bandsaws, pillar drills etc any more. I love old UK made machinery but they mostly require renovation etc which can be costly. Currently though, the UK has a couple of companies for hand saws and a few manual tools, but no big stuff as far as I’m aware sadly, I think Record Power may have been the last to manufacture here.
Sadly it’s just not cost effective to produce here any more.
Change the blade for a better one, that'll make a huge difference to the volume, that looks like a multi purpose blade too.
Absolutely, I wanted to use the existing blade in the first impressions as that’s what most people will do, but i do talk about changing it out with the adapter rings. Brushed motor though means it’s never going to be much quieter
If you ignore a few extra bells and whistles, or don’t need them, this looks very similar (if not the same) base model as the cheaper Rutland table saw!
As I said in the video, it is not the same
@@WoodworkJourney True, it’s not the same - it’s got a few extra bells and whistles and a different label..!
What about dust extraction?
I don’t have a vac in the workshop at the moment until I move my other workshop into this one. I’ll test it then
Nice video but miss the vape stuff
Pretty sure it’s the same as when I stopped lol
That's a DeWalt in disguise, Dean
I’m really Batman
🦇🤣
it looks like the same modle that rutlands do (apart from the sliding table) and that one is under £300 also the excel which is under £200
If a hippo has bigger ears would it be an elephant?
@@WoodworkJourney just an obsevation as ive been looking for a new table saw but your reply did make me smile
Seems they have thought of most things,but shame not upgraded to induction motor.
That would have been amazing
this or the Rutlands. hmm
If I'm correct the Rutland is £100 cheaper and has a 2000w motor
They’re different saws, so I guess it depends on what features you want, customer service, long term support etc
Great review.
For me it is a bit overpriced as it must compete against the Metabo which has better build quality and a lower price and the Rutlands machine which is again cheaper.
I get where you’re coming from. I haven’t tried the Metabo or Rutlands, but they are different to this, so I guess it depends on what you want with regards to features and after sales
@@WoodworkJourney The evo, Rutland and Skil all appear to be pretty much the exact same base model. To me the Rutland appears the best value although (anecdotally) their customer service is not the greatest.
I will say Evolution do provide excellent customer service at least.
Sadly only 3mm cut in metal while the old Rage S5 can cut 6mm.
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So it’s the same saw Rutland selling with a different name
Nope
and here we have yet another review of this clone saw.....
Cool, you’re fun
😂😂😂😂
Why the laughter? I’m confused
I noticed you mention in a comment you have a pre production model... It sounds like this was given to you , in which case you need to declare this.
Like I did at 19.30 in the video?
@@WoodworkJourney The words of the CMA "are must be clearly labelled as an Advert or ad."
@@supernoodle48 it’s a review not an advert or ad
Nice review of the saw however a couple of points, you did not show the guard attached and as you know that is likely the most important safety feature of a ‘table saw’ along with the push stick. Likewise there does not appear to be any pre drilled holes to attach an auxiliary fence or the ability to slide the fence back for when cutting solid timber as opposed sheet materials, very important as the fence when ripping solid timber should not go past the gullet of the blade at bench level. I have watched the video on the evolution web site and a little disappointed that the user clearly has his left hand closer than 300mm to the blade. The guard whilst looking slightly flimsy is better than using without, I guess for the money it's what you expect. With the noise from the saw, pretty much all seem to be loud as there is very little surrounding material to help absorb it, like you said wear ear defenders at all times, I like you suffer from the ringing in my ears, from an era when ppe was not enforced quite as it should have been. It does look similar to the Rutlands saw with the main difference of the sliding table.
I don’t believe a crown guard to be ‘The most important safety feature of a table saw’, that would be the riving knife in my opinion as well as a well set up fence and accurate blade. I don’t understand what you mean about the the fence when cutting solid timber, everything seems straight forward and normal to me
@@WoodworkJourney I guess you have not had accredited training on wood machinery with regards your comments, however I do not wish to create a scene on here as it might detract from your excellent content which is very entertaining and very popular. I am only merely stating what HSE requirements are in the UK.www.hse.gov.uk/pubns/wis16.pdf
@@WoodworkJourney www.hse.gov.uk/pubns/wis16.pdf
@@WoodworkJourney hse.gov.uk/pubns/wis16.pdf if you follow this guide you will see what I was speaking about.
Great review! Now then...this, or the Rutlands? The Rutlands, or this? Skil don't seem to be getting their act together in the UK any time soon, so these two are the best options in this price sector.
If it's anything like all other Evolution tools, then it's rubbish.
Cool
Then you don't own the metal chopsaw!