In the past, Terran has to have a sufficient force of tanks and marines before moving out at around 14-16 minutes, and that is when Hive tech is nearly up. The zerg need only hold with infestors and then the broodlord tech comes out. This was what made zergs OP at the end of WOL. Now, Terran pushes out at 11 minutes with WM, pretty much countering any fast tech. 2. Mutas destroy medivacs, otherwise terran can abuse drops with impunity. Also, when medivacs are high in no. it's like a free recall.
OK I don't know who's worse, HD and Husky casting same series a month or two apart, or me watching til game 3 (both bloody times!) before deja vu kicks in.
the way T can move out even earlier than before with WM, Z is frequently stuck on lower tech just trying to survive. fungal is slow and likely to miss now, ultras were upgraded but not only does Z have to tech way up, they're rarely resource efficient. With your question, I wonder why your head hasn't exploded already because when was the last time you saw a Thor made by a terran player? Probably because marine medivac and WM is such a great composition that T generally need nothing else.
Scarlett's creep spread always amazes me. I don't usually see anyone who can spread creep like she does. One moment, hardly none, next and half the map is covered lol.
Let me point out some obvious things about the other strats based on my rather noobie observations. Ultras, Terran easily mixes in Marauders and get to keep their high mobility with the drops which makes it harder on the Zerg. Also Ultras being slow off creep can rarely retreat while Mutas always can. Broodlords I'm not sure but I think it has to do with getting owned by Ravens and being too slow to run away. Roach Hydra simply loses in DPS to Marine Medi and they're less mobile too.
Tell me how would you would beat marines with Fungals, or Blinding cloud? Or even broodlords. Ling/bane/Muta is the ONLY option and even then its an easy curbstomp if your opponent doesnt mismicro
As I said, drops aren't that strong. Just send zerglings to these drops, and counter marine reinforcement with locust/banes. Why not try to switch roles? From muta to zerglings, and from ling-banes to SH-banes to hold marine reinforcement, which comes in front.
Nah, Scarlett spent a lot of resources to pull that off, Jaedong could also do that, but doing what Scarlett does is risky because one screw up and you end up falling behind. The result as you can see is that Scarlett gets thrown off just her game because Bomber changed his opening slightly. This current build that is so popular among Terrans actually shows there are some imbalance when it comes to Zerg's ability to counter mass marines at the pro level. I can hear a Zerg buff incoming.
The new balance changes aren't final but it's looking like the WM nerf is gonna go through. Just hope they buff up tanks more (the current buff isn't as good as I 1st thought, a lot of ppl are saying it's barely noticeable) and give both P & T a better way to deal with mass mutas... muta regen is honestly kinda stupid at this point.
Scarlett just uses the same strategy for the series But indeed marine plus widow mines counter muta/bangling extremely well It's undoubtedly that with great micro every skilful terran can beat zerg easily
I miss marine/tank because that way if you could get a good fight and pick of tanks, it slowed terran down and hurt them. Now because of how cheap widow mines are, there's just a constant barrage of units coming at a zerg's face. Because of the damage of marine/widow mine, it just seems like even when the terran loses the army, they're still almost guaranteed to do around equal damage with it, with decent micro of course.
It's not that every zerg wants to make muta ling vs terran its more of every zerg has to. There's no other mid game composition that can stop biomine+medivac in that stage. Roach Hydra is no good till you get viper support. Infestors got nerfed to the ground(fungal missile is a joke). You obviously dont get corruptors vs that army compo. You can go mass lings and ditch the muta but how do you deal with medivacs?
Blinding Cloud and Fungal Growth are good but their potential is lower than Banelings. I say this because the extent of how much you can micro Banelings is higher than Blinding Cloud and Fungal. Even if you lay a cloud they can move, and Fungals whiff way too much now and they're expensive and useless once they're outta energy and it doesn't recover as fast as new Marines coming. All these bad points I think make Baneling Muta the better choice.
I honestly don't think infestors are that bad(: I think if zergs use them like a lot of Protoss do with their Templars they'll be fine(: by that I mean having random little group of infestors around the map so that if te army moves in to attack you can just send the infestors for the back and fungal as they try to run away to split(: plus fungal doesnt do less damage after the nerf just less range
Some of your points are good. Mutas can be countered so easy by terran with marines and mines. BUT.. zerg is pretty much defenseless against drops if they dont go mutas. Terran can much too easy drop multiple bases, while the no-muta-zerg-player will die from a stress-related heartattack!
Why zerg can't do Ling-bane-swarm hosts to counter for free all Marine reinforce? Lings are enoughly fast to catch drops, just place spores against medivacs for no re-drops.
Infestors suck now, binding cloud is hard to pull off vs bio, roach/hydra will get demolished by stim and tanks, broodlords and ultras are late game and zerg must have at least 4 bases to pull off. As a Zerg vs Terran these days you have to hope your opponent mismicros or it is very hard to win.
Scarlett is so good!!! I think she will be the best zerg in the world. I'm just starting my own gaming channel with SC2 LOL and others check it out and let me know what you think!
Im actually a mid diamond terran player. It is hard to kill terran players because of the reasons i listed. Obviously harassment is a option but good luck pulling that off as a zerg in the early game. A lot of Terrans just turtle until they hit a timing attack.
Scarlet is significantly better than Jaedong. While using the exact same strategy. The overt unfairness of z v t is pretty obvious from a lack of necessity to surrounded and mines that are reusuable vs mines(banes) that are not.
I think you're underestimating the professionals. All they do is practice for hours on end everyday. The tournament games we're watching, they're playing for practice hundreds if not thousands more times in between each tournament. You couldn't possibly think they're just being stubborn and not wanting to use other strategies. There must be something about this strategy that makes them choose it over everything else. Gotta trust your pros, there's too much competition and money involved.
This. I wonder why doesn't more zerg use SH. You can basically keep terran bio/mech contained until they mass up enough air. But by that point you should be on 5/6 bases and have tier 3 running for an easy gg.
Whatever, its just that all the past few games I have watched TvZ have been the above matchup. Scarlett vs Bomber, Jaedong vs Bomber...its the same thing over and over again. I'd like to see something else.
mutas are Good at the high level of play. there used as a clean up crew. ya dont just thro em in with the main army. its there mobility that counts. if u have terran on the run. u pick everything off. and they make drop play next to impossible. witch is outstanding see as how drops are the only way T harasses late game. and since u only send them in fight u no that they will win. u save them for end game harass wen u switch to offence. she just never got there :(
Not really feeling the passion anymore, HD - 18 casts in the last 30 days.. That's not a lot. Are you not enjoying casting as much anymore, no time or what's going on?
Useless, the counter to everything is MMM&M..... Against toss or zerg. Starcraft 2 has design issues, terran has been overpowered from the start. So simple and so little risk. There is a reason terr has continuesly been nerfed.
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Love how bomber splits up the marines so good
Great cast HD. Keep doing the good work.
That control on both players are great. Great game
In the past, Terran has to have a sufficient force of tanks and marines before moving out at around 14-16 minutes, and that is when Hive tech is nearly up. The zerg need only hold with infestors and then the broodlord tech comes out. This was what made zergs OP at the end of WOL. Now, Terran pushes out at 11 minutes with WM, pretty much countering any fast tech.
2. Mutas destroy medivacs, otherwise terran can abuse drops with impunity. Also, when medivacs are high in no. it's like a free recall.
i miss you hd, too many exams!
I feel ya bro. I really miss the fungal based play in wings of liberty. Even though terran can now dodge, a barrage of fg and ultralisks still do work
Infestors don't suck, they are just harder to control now. Fungal is heavily under used.
OK I don't know who's worse, HD and Husky casting same series a month or two apart, or me watching til game 3 (both bloody times!) before deja vu kicks in.
the way T can move out even earlier than before with WM, Z is frequently stuck on lower tech just trying to survive.
fungal is slow and likely to miss now, ultras were upgraded but not only does Z have to tech way up, they're rarely resource efficient. With your question, I wonder why your head hasn't exploded already because when was the last time you saw a Thor made by a terran player? Probably because marine medivac and WM is such a great composition that T generally need nothing else.
Scarlett's creep spread always amazes me. I don't usually see anyone who can spread creep like she does. One moment, hardly none, next and half the map is covered lol.
hmmm, could swarm host be a viable counter to widow/marines? I'll definitely going to experiment with that
Let me point out some obvious things about the other strats based on my rather noobie observations. Ultras, Terran easily mixes in Marauders and get to keep their high mobility with the drops which makes it harder on the Zerg. Also Ultras being slow off creep can rarely retreat while Mutas always can. Broodlords I'm not sure but I think it has to do with getting owned by Ravens and being too slow to run away. Roach Hydra simply loses in DPS to Marine Medi and they're less mobile too.
Banshees are "cheese." A Terran unit is cheese? Only HD, the ultimate affirmation of Zerg.
swarm hosts/ roach into hydra/roach/ swarmhost is actually realllly good
Tell me how would you would beat marines with Fungals, or Blinding cloud? Or even broodlords.
Ling/bane/Muta is the ONLY option and even then its an easy curbstomp if your opponent doesnt mismicro
As I said, drops aren't that strong. Just send zerglings to these drops, and counter marine reinforcement with locust/banes.
Why not try to switch roles? From muta to zerglings, and from ling-banes to SH-banes to hold marine reinforcement, which comes in front.
I feel like sacrificing 6 mutas for 3 infestors at some point would be pretty worthwhile vs marine medivac widow mine
Scarlet realised something is going on...four times...
Shouldn't the zerg be the race which builds up an army, slams it into the face of the enemy and then repeats it in a fast succession?
Nah, Scarlett spent a lot of resources to pull that off, Jaedong could also do that, but doing what Scarlett does is risky because one screw up and you end up falling behind. The result as you can see is that Scarlett gets thrown off just her game because Bomber changed his opening slightly.
This current build that is so popular among Terrans actually shows there are some imbalance when it comes to Zerg's ability to counter mass marines at the pro level. I can hear a Zerg buff incoming.
The new balance changes aren't final but it's looking like the WM nerf is gonna go through. Just hope they buff up tanks more (the current buff isn't as good as I 1st thought, a lot of ppl are saying it's barely noticeable) and give both P & T a better way to deal with mass mutas... muta regen is honestly kinda stupid at this point.
I thought == represents 'not equal to'. Should it not be 'zerg = alive' or 'zerg == dead'?
Scarlett just uses the same strategy for the series
But indeed marine plus widow mines counter muta/bangling extremely well
It's undoubtedly that with great micro every skilful terran can beat zerg easily
What do you mean by broods and ultras being lame?
I miss marine/tank because that way if you could get a good fight and pick of tanks, it slowed terran down and hurt them. Now because of how cheap widow mines are, there's just a constant barrage of units coming at a zerg's face. Because of the damage of marine/widow mine, it just seems like even when the terran loses the army, they're still almost guaranteed to do around equal damage with it, with decent micro of course.
For this you need to have time to make em. Bomber was constant agression from the start.
Fuck I always read the damn comments before I watch the video!
Why didnt bomber micro reapers early in the game to attack his economy instead of attacking the queens? :o
lolololol "that bunker is erected"
Try to go swarm host vs terran. Every compatible terran will drop in your mineral line when your host are out.
When the Zerg gets contained on 2 bases Zerg is gonna lose
You forgot game destroyer nr. 1, widow mines.
what is your strat and league then?
was it? was it really like watching art.
It's not that every zerg wants to make muta ling vs terran its more of every zerg has to. There's no other mid game composition that can stop biomine+medivac in that stage. Roach Hydra is no good till you get viper support. Infestors got nerfed to the ground(fungal missile is a joke). You obviously dont get corruptors vs that army compo. You can go mass lings and ditch the muta but how do you deal with medivacs?
reaper helion banshee opining???
i said late game. They arent a option at the mid game when a Terran is hitting a timing attack.
Double cheese with widow mines. That's hurtful.
Blinding Cloud and Fungal Growth are good but their potential is lower than Banelings. I say this because the extent of how much you can micro Banelings is higher than Blinding Cloud and Fungal. Even if you lay a cloud they can move, and Fungals whiff way too much now and they're expensive and useless once they're outta energy and it doesn't recover as fast as new Marines coming. All these bad points I think make Baneling Muta the better choice.
I honestly don't think infestors are that bad(: I think if zergs use them like a lot of Protoss do with their Templars they'll be fine(: by that I mean having random little group of infestors around the map so that if te army moves in to attack you can just send the infestors for the back and fungal as they try to run away to split(: plus fungal doesnt do less damage after the nerf just less range
Some of your points are good. Mutas can be countered so easy by terran with marines and mines. BUT.. zerg is pretty much defenseless against drops if they dont go mutas. Terran can much too easy drop multiple bases, while the no-muta-zerg-player will die from a stress-related heartattack!
why every zerg player forget about roach?
She is truely the Queen of the Swarm
Sometimes I cry myself to sleep
Why zerg can't do Ling-bane-swarm hosts to counter for free all Marine reinforce? Lings are enoughly fast to catch drops, just place spores against medivacs for no re-drops.
all it takes are 3 widowmine hits on the pack of mutas and it's gg for the zerg
that code made my cry with blood;)
Wow!!! Widow mines are sooo cost efficient. They all ways payoff... bring back the Scourge... or would that be too unfair for protoss?
the swarm is not zerg anymore
And I thought PvT is always the same matchup everytime...
Infestors suck now, binding cloud is hard to pull off vs bio, roach/hydra will get demolished by stim and tanks, broodlords and ultras are late game and zerg must have at least 4 bases to pull off. As a Zerg vs Terran these days you have to hope your opponent mismicros or it is very hard to win.
Scarlett is so good!!! I think she will be the best zerg in the world.
I'm just starting my own gaming channel with SC2 LOL and others check it out and let me know what you think!
Im actually a mid diamond terran player. It is hard to kill terran players because of the reasons i listed. Obviously harassment is a option but good luck pulling that off as a zerg in the early game. A lot of Terrans just turtle until they hit a timing attack.
Scarlet is significantly better than Jaedong. While using the exact same strategy. The overt unfairness of z v t is pretty obvious from a lack of necessity to surrounded and mines that are reusuable vs mines(banes) that are not.
yah its so easy to have perfect mirco vs zerg and get the right amount of barracks and built enough reinforcements
I think you're underestimating the professionals. All they do is practice for hours on end everyday. The tournament games we're watching, they're playing for practice hundreds if not thousands more times in between each tournament. You couldn't possibly think they're just being stubborn and not wanting to use other strategies. There must be something about this strategy that makes them choose it over everything else. Gotta trust your pros, there's too much competition and money involved.
if quickly jumping to conclusion, then no =3
This.
I wonder why doesn't more zerg use SH. You can basically keep terran bio/mech contained until they mass up enough air. But by that point you should be on 5/6 bases and have tier 3 running for an easy gg.
Not sure why people are complaining about races making their core units. I, for one, thought these games were exciting.
Whatever, its just that all the past few games I have watched TvZ have been the above matchup. Scarlett vs Bomber, Jaedong vs Bomber...its the same thing over and over again. I'd like to see something else.
mutas are Good at the high level of play. there used as a clean up crew. ya dont just thro em in with the main army. its there mobility that counts. if u have terran on the run. u pick everything off. and they make drop play next to impossible. witch is outstanding see as how drops are the only way T harasses late game. and since u only send them in fight u no that they will win. u save them for end game harass wen u switch to offence. she just never got there :(
widow mines.... they should at least give it to the zerg rather than terran which already has so many options.
video wont play for me =(
I bet all guys first googled Scarlett to see if she's hot when they heard of her.
Great play by Scarlett. Terrans ... dont get me started. Good game by the zerg player.
as a zerg player i can say that marine mine is not op its just that muta ling is not how to deal with it.
Terrain playing like Zerg, swarming zerg player with endless stream of marines and widow mines.
scarlett is better then jaedong , no questions about it
maybe because they are good players.
So do we need anymore proof than these series that widow mines are fucking stupid?
hes just desperately trys to gank here lol.
Haha Whoops XD Thanks for the correction
We all knew T wins again
yet everyone tries
So?
double fail cheese and still came back to win with more base... nerf nerf indeed
META
Not really feeling the passion anymore, HD - 18 casts in the last 30 days.. That's not a lot. Are you not enjoying casting as much anymore, no time or what's going on?
This was a awesome game....when I watched it 3-4 months ago. Unsub
I'fucking sick of seeing terran win every goddamn tournament. Maybe I'm not watching enough but never the less... really?
yah terran can swarm way more than zerg... zzz SC2 is so broken now
zerlging/baneling/musta vs marine/medivac/mines, getting a little too boring...
Useless, the counter to everything is MMM&M..... Against toss or zerg. Starcraft 2 has design issues, terran has been overpowered from the start. So simple and so little risk. There is a reason terr has continuesly been nerfed.
LATE GAME LOL
AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
More like:
while(zerg.IsAlive)
{
List marines = GetMarine();
marines.A_Move();
};
while(zerg == alive){
makeMarine()};
bomber is playing pathetic!
gay widowmines....
moar content plz
"He just feels threatened that a woman is a better player than he is"
"a woman is a better player"
"a woman"
ROFL HHHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAA XD
who cares if she was a man before..now she's a woman, move on DUDE. lol
Important thing: she plays damn well.
first
was it? was it really like watching art.
Haha Whoops XD Thanks for the correction
Haha Whoops XD Thanks for the correction
Haha Whoops XD Thanks for the correction