High Guardian Spice | Harassment Isn't Criticism
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@@stariverses I like pizza
Here joe lying his ass off of people he don't like.
Veridis Joe: "Don't be unnecessarily mean, people have feelings, you guys are sick."
Me: "Hmmm, bet, he made a good point."
One of the High Spice G Writers: "KILL ALL MEN, MEN ARE TRASH"
@@thehopelesspragmatic6701 don't forget the creater blocking anyone talk about their show even the people like the show.
Never trust a person who says woke unironically in their "criticism"
Exactly lol.
I don’t think no one actually like, said, woke in any other videos about high spice
@@cats8941one dude said it's "tumblrpilled". I find it difficult to believe that these people refrained from calling it "woke", for the sake of "constructive criticism".
"tumblrpilled" "high guardian spice is feminist woke propaganda" did i time travel back to 2016 what is happening
genuinely, Tumblr hasn't been relevant since the nsfw ban killed most of the userbase
They've been using the same talking points since 2016, so it isn't you that time travelled, they just didn't change
@@vivaciousarcanist3389 And from what I've seen, they considered that as a good thing. Wiped out the annoying part of the site (they moved on to Twitter instead) and thus all the (negative) attention from the normies. Now they can just be weirdos in peace. Nature is healing
Um you know the Creator themselves said they were Tumblr Pilled right?
2016 cycles itself every 4 years and with how profitable hate/outrage clicks are, the anti-sjws found a way to get money while spewing old garbage.
i hate when people say "you dont know how to take constructive criticism!" well, the criticism yall be giving don't be construction it just be rude.
People will tear down your shed and then get offended that you don't appreciate their construction skills
You are aware, those are not mutually exclusive, right?
(please sweet jesus i hope i'm talking to a adult that knows this)
Omg yes, I agree.
Also, love your content.
@@notsmine9191 Constructive Criticism =/= Rude Bashing, Criticism aims for better results and doesn't just point out only the flaws, Rude Bashing is just saying the show was trash straight up
@@JonCage9
And i'll be happy to do both, if i choose to so.
The hero hei slander was so satisfying
Well Hero Hei had it coming for milking content involving RWBY, Uzaki chan, VTubers, Genshin Impact, and HGS.
yeah but that's not what the word slander means btw 😭
@@Xloverse i mean yeah everything said was just facts, but alliteration 😍
@@Xloverse Hero Hei being slandered is justified since his whole career is to slander anyone on Twitter. Hypocritically, he hated Twitter so much yet he ended up finding a tweet and make a whole video about it and doesn't do any research, causing to spread misinformation. That happened a lot with reactionary channels like TheQuartering (he is bad).
Ikr he's a hypocrite
Dawg I never understood why people act that getting blocked is a badge of honor. Imagine going up to someone you trying to holla at and telling them you got blocked by a show runner or crew member of a show or movie or game like it’s a flex. They’d rightfully think you’re insane and wouldn’t want to be around you.
The only way I can see being blocked by someone as an honor is if you’re blocked by a racist/anti-LGBTQ+ shitlord that can’t handle reality
same
Because the Butch Hartman crap gave people the wrong message.
On Twitter, people block you for simply saying that you are wrong and even with constructive criticism, so I can understand the sentiment.
their badge of honor:🤡
I did not enjoy this show, but at a certain point a conversation is no longer productive. This however, seems to be something not a lot of people seem to understand, and the same folks who don't seem to understand this are the one's making this show out to be the worst thing in existence and giving a lot of hate to the creators online while hiding under the guise of criticism.
People missrepresenting midle of the ground entreteinment and painting them as the worst thing even is one of the internet favorite things. Just remember 'still better than twilight'
@@isabelchmontuenga look at the whole thing with the Black Widow movie, these folks were honestly calling it the worst marvel movie of all time when movies like Thor the dark world, Iron man 3, Hulk (2008) are things.
People been doing this for years with SAO, I can hardly talk about liking it online without some teenager coming along and feeling the need to parrot "But it sucks" because they've been conditioned to hate it. But I suppose that's the same with basically every widely disliked piece of media
@@TaxFraudTutorials if you let me be the devil's advocate, i would like to say that SAO had a SUPER NEGATIVE influence over the anime industry, it basically reduced all isekai to "a male fantasy in which an average moron gets a harem"
@@educprof2160 That was never the reason I liked the show personally, but is it really surprising that kind of fantasy is popular among anime fans?
We can blame SAO for the advent of isekai harem shows but it wasn't popular for no reason. If SAO had been unpopular it would never have had the influence that it did. I haven't read the source material, I'm assuming that harem aspect was exclusive to the anime.
Do you have any, like, in-depth articles or videos you could link that actually explore the impact of Sword Art Online as you described?
the fandom menace really acted like HGS poisoned their water supply burned their crops and delivered a plague unto their houses
what's the show even about?
@@sosha20 i dont evan konw all i know is niggas hate it
the show shot my parents tbh
@@sosha20 I think it’s about magical girls going to a magical school
Well are we gonna stand around and wait until it does?
Hero Hei has always seemed like one of those weebs who unironically say shit like "triggered" or "snowflake" to me, watched one video that I thought might be alright and immediately regretted it after seeing my recommended filled with him.
I be deciding to watch one video, then think to myself "dang, this bitch rlly made an entire video on nothing"
Lol he just states facts and his opinions and it works many people likes it tell me why u dislike him huh
@ǞЯƮΦЯiǞ РęПDЯǞgΦП I like how you exaggerated that it's Manley Twitter drama about x Characters or bad takes lol
Hei needs to have his freedom of speech revoked. Get him off the platform. Not watching his content simply ain't enough to fix the problem
@@champagnegascogne9755 lol what he did to ...did he break your heart lol
It’s really sad to see people not knowing what the difference between criticism and straight up harassment is .
You know how we got good anime back? By bitching. Think again. Be nice, they won't care. You bitch, you get your way.
@DavekatVsCreek Japan has been twitter. Ever wonder why and how Evenagelion made a come back?
@@Featheryfaith7
m8 bitching *constructively* can bring positive changes. however the general treatment of HGS so far is just shitty ass bitching.
@@rainydot5442 ^
@DavekatVsCreek I guess you have never seen YMS.
I dislike this show, but it’s far from the worst thing ever made. The harassment towards the creator is extremely unnecessary.
The harassment got to the point that there was this random commenter on Raye's Twitter account threatening to indiscriminately shoot anyone inside Crunchyroll and Ellation Studios just because High Guardian Spice existed.
Not only that, but I also saw one (deleted) image tweet that contained actual print images of High Guardian Spice characters pasted on a target, and is riddled with bullet holes.
@@GatlingPea32 What the fuck? Dear lord that's horrible. What the fuck is wrong with some people?
@@GatlingPea32 Okay, That's definitely extreme and isn't right at all.
It's not a good show and has flaws which was criticized but that's taking it too far 😬
@@GatlingPea32 this shit is literally a crime
@@brandonlego
Forgot to add, that death threat I mentioned was in response to Raye's tweets about the budget of the show. Someone may have reported that comment and is now removed.
"High Guardian Spice bad because diversity sjw woke liberal bad" - The Internet, probably
Quite the contrary.
*Watches one episode*
"Eh, this shit mid."
*Watches something else*
- A normal person.
Exactly. It is sufficient to simply decide its not your jam and walk away.
"Satire is meant to ridicule power. If you're laughing at people who are hurting, it's not satire, it's bullying."
- Terry Pratchett
That quote is fake BTW.
@@CedricThePlaystation the point still stands
@@Teag_Brohman15 Even if its fake?
@@CedricThePlaystation Why wouldnt it be ? Just because its not something someone famous once said doesnt make it any less true in this case.
@@CedricThePlaystation yes
I appreciate this video man. Don’t get me wrong, I hate the show, it’s pretty bad. But what’s much more annoying is how proper criticism, rare views from the opposite side, and any actual conversation is lost in the pile of blind hate, memes, and venting that just make us all look dumb. Keep up the great work!
Agreed. I’ve seen some genuine criticism brought up about the show (sloppy dialogue, bad writing, etc) but to an extent, it makes sense considering the budget and rocky production process of the show. But when 99% of the people who hate it are:
A) not the target demographic
And B) mainly hating it because ‘haha crAzy SJW Show made by DumB WoMeN and LGBT PeOple’
… the criticism feels biased
Hell, even though the animation seems clunky, the character designs are really cute and it’s great to see some trans rep where a character acknowledges their transition
Does it really deserve earnest criticism when they didn't even try to make it good?
Yeah, I've seen so many people try and fix the scenes, I saw a video on how to make the trans scene better, and they did such a good job explaining what trans is to the girl and made it sound more natural in the context of the show
@@quinnost5974 I completely agree! Glad to hear someone else appreciating the character designs of the show too. (They are very cute.)
I don't know man, I think the harassment part is more annoying then looking dumb by association of all the other people "criticizing" the show.
I'm so glad someone finally called out Hero Hei on his bullshit lmao
Do people not like him?
@@varietyhub2948 few despises him but we can't disagree with him or else his fanbase will harass you over irrelevant bullshimttery
@@nonai3388 I watch his videos everyday listening to in the background. But I never heard of this hiro hei - bad thing, can you explain? Or recommend some videos that have some good information? I'm genuinely curious right now
I just realized who this hero hei fellow I keep hearing about is.
@@varietyhub2948 Pretty much everyone do not like Hero Hei because of how unbearable he is and he's a living stereotype of a weaboo. Sure, liking anime is nothing wrong, but trying to make it into a personality and lifestyle makes yourself look like an absolute joke. If Japan's culture revolved around "respect" and "honor", then Hei has none of that.
Thank you for making this. TH-cam keeps suggesting these awful High Guardian Spice mock-title videos to me and it's exhausting just to see in my sidebar. I can't imagine how awful the creator feels.
Vote.
Im so glad im not the only one. I know what theyre already trying to say, but for some goddamn reason, youtube wants me to watch it eventhough i havent even clicked any HGS content.
@Logan Roof News What the fuck is wrong with you?
You aren't really better. Remember your propaganda Video?
Oh look, the scat fetishist defending a garbage tier show
Joe casually calling out all of animation Twitter is the content that we deserve
Discovering animation twitter is garbage is really not a surprise almost all of Twitter is just garbage
Let’s be real; it ain’t “all of animation twitter” just a specific “side” of it 💀
Just anime twitter tbh
@@theradionicrevival8068 Its the annoying side. They always bring up the "CALARTS STYLE" argument which I thought faded and died in 2018.
@@crestren5996 idk why they used cal arts as an excuse when 99% of the people who worked in CN disney etc. Never went to calarts at all lmao. And it be the crazy anime weebs who be using that arguement acting as if most the animes nowadays dont be the same art style
Sometimes bad shows are bad because they're bad, not cause feminism.
But just cause something is bad doesn't meant the people who made it are bad.
we still blame feminism for shit like this? damn, we havent change that much since 2018 huh
@@metropunklitan Id say 2016 since that was when it reached its peak. This crap cycles itself every 4 years and it shows.
Yeah no. One of the producers was a raging misandrist. And her propaganda shows in the show
The major writer of the show is actually bad though. Y'all really defending someone who has said multiple times she hates all men?
@@thisisasupersayin376 citation needed?
Honestly, if any anime or cartoon mentions feminism, the LGBTQ+, POC (usually those who don't pass for white), someone who isn't a specific body type, etc I immediately expect the same people who would call anyone who would create it or enjoy it SJW snowflakes to get extremely upset about that media existing. This always annoyed me because those people would also say "If you want a show with representation make it yourself" and then when that happens they still get mad.
right? it's almost like those people are just bigots with nothing better to do than shit on people 'cause it's easy and they don't have to use the brain natural selection gave them
Girl there shojo josi and girls with gun shouen ai and yuri animes and animes with poc and there no backlash on how terrible that is. Most of those people aren't real anime fans they just like the idea that anime pro what ever they like forgetting anime creators are in a Spectrum political and ideological differences and it bleeds on their works. Some anime creator created black characters in their series because they weren't that many to begin with and they wanted representation of black people .
@@francisconavarrete2390 Most of the time the people who complain about "feminism bad" dont consume those genres mentioned. Theyre usually into harem, isekai, shonen or echhi shit.
@@crestren5996 there are shouen with different themes in its stories like naruto aot code geass ,gundam ,one piece ect. Don't forget their sub genre like girls with guns and military animes
@@crestren5996 most saying that are against feminist trying to cancel anime not because they just hate feminist. Most anime fan don't care about the real world . They always were against media saying anime is from the devil or news lying about anime . Now they just fighting against people who they call woke or sjw.
They just disguise their racism and homophobia as just "hating the show in general". I'm so glad I finally saw a creator talk abt this. 😭
Hating the show in this way is just a shibboleth for finding out who has reactionary modern politics. That's it. That's why all this matters. It's right wing weeb nutjobs trying to find each other.
@@ThatsWhatUCallClass Fact is, the Vast Majority of Criticism for this Show is Constructive Criticism or such.
And fact is also that good-faith-criticism gets more popular, as Jay Exci, Madvocate, Hbomberguy and many others prove.
@@slevinchannel7589 this is so untrue it's fucking hilarious
@@therealaintain Yeah, that's why i got 6 Likes even in this comment-section,
let alone a billion in Another.
Lol, learn to think.
@@slevinchannel7589 you actually give a shit about likes on a youtube comment? god damn that is so sad lmfao
The Hero Hei channel is my own personal mortal enemy. What an utterly unpleasant person.
@Coox Jonural Don't forgot about The Quivering, Geeks + Gamers, That Star Wars Girl, Yellow Flash 2, Sophia Narwitz, WCBS, It'sagundam, Nerdrotic, Vara Dark, any Comicsgate channel, Mannix, YoungRippa, Just Some Guy, Mecharandom42, The Critical Drinker, Raging Golden Eagle, and etc.
@@Soulweaver0 raging golden eagle is so funny and cringe I found it funny that he hates women just because of his relationship with his ex wife
@@Soulweaver0 Channels made for gamers that need to be mad at something.
@@Soulweaver0 Why is that list so long
That Bozo is a threat to society and must be dealt with.
i love how you criticized hero hei, nobody has said anything about him but im super glad you did
Agreed
Parallax did it first
Tbf, if you DID say anything about him, prepare to get harassed by his 12 year old fanbase.
@ǞЯƮΦЯiǞ РęПDЯǞgΦП i definitely don't think joey will fold under the pressure, but yeah i just watched parallax's video and a few others, definitely alot of good points
If I remember correctly...didn't Nuxtaku even say HH is his friend?
Hero Hei is the anime community's constant headache.
The anime community's TheQuartering.
Consequences of gamergate
@@yoshiwithabigiron4522 And that's what happened when Gamergater never changed and they don't even try.
@@crestren5996This is 100% correct
If there’s one thing that you making this video has taught me, is that people will get really upset when you threaten their hatred for something.
You smoked this, lil bro. If you ain’t got haters, you ain’t doing shit right.
@Logan Roof News
You sound like a child. But i guess that's what this stuff will do to you...
sadly it goes both ways, when people criticise other people's hate for white men they lose their shit or perhaps block you.
@@notsmine9191 You say, ignoring all his points and resorting to name calling. You know, like a three-year-old.
@@paigemosher8697
His "points" were.
"Criticism doesn't matter as long as they tried their best"
I don't know in what fantasy world you live in, that you think this needs any kind of rebuttal but laughter at the foolish child who said it.
But no, please do go on about whatever makes you happy.
@@1mclv
Then they are bitches
im SO FUCKING HAPPY someone has finally talked about this. its been ridiculous
A turtle is also fucking happy
Yeah they took way too much time to hate this show it's bad we clearly see it, but people took it way to far, and it's by the same group of people who hate everything that isn't written for straight wyte men that isnt an anime that seems a little woke. Like if they have like 10 videos on this at this point u need help
The reactions were more ridiculous tbh. Its a mid show but got blown out of proportion due to the stupid marketing stunt CR pulled years ago.
@@crestren5996 yeah I like snap dragon the most the show was aimed at women who hate men and people who wanted to put certain agendas, but people over did and seem like anti SJW babies it was clear watching it, the is horrible 😑
The reason why is people that push back against it have more to say and actually work on their videos. Those people just crank out 6-7 videos a day of almost no effort content of bitching about "woke" shit while video game footage plays in the background. Unlike people that aren't full of brain holes, they have to actually work on their scripted, edited and more thought out videos.
If you were an actual journalist working in a professional field, this type of behavior would've had you fired, blacklisted, out of a job and possibly even hit with defamation suits within the first month. It just goes to show how insanely privileged these types of online reporters are, and how underserving most of them are of having such a cushy job online. It's just sad to watch.
Even worse, this level of defamation and journalistic dishonesty could land you a prison sentence if it went to court, which I guarantee you a repeated offense over the course of several years would. You don't get to make a retroactive tweet going "okay yeah maybe some of the stuff I said was wrong/unwarranted/uncalled for *but still"* , if you can't properly address the injured party you are guilty of a serious crime in the world of journalism.
Have you seen CNN or MSNBC lately? That’s all they do on Twitter. Sometimes on air.
@@ryancurtis4391 If all you've got to refute my point is complete whataboutism involving a news network I don't give a fuck about then I don't know what to tell ya. Nor does it make what one individual does any less apprehensible. Plus ratio.
@@NerdMiGerd If you had a legitimate point, that would be fine. However, you were wrong. I gave a counter example to what you proposed. It is not whataboutism.
@@ryancurtis4391 “Whataboutism (n) - “the technique or practice of responding to a difficult accusation by making a counteraccusation or raising a different issue. Also called ‘whataboutery’.” I raised a point about the importance of journalistic honesty, all you could do was bring in an example completely unrelated to the one I brought up, instead of approaching the argument on its face.
Ratio x2. Cope. Seethe. Mald.
I love you for calling out Hero Hei. Thank you very much, man.
I'm tired of most of anime fans acting like he does nothing wrong and justifying his hypocrisy.
He does nothing wrong, he brings entertainment for us youtube and shows twitter drama
@@McNugge. Love how you IMMEDIATELY have to use "Snowflakes" and "Woke" to describe people calling you out, because that's the only way you people deal with criticisms 🤣
And yet, you want to tell everybody how "Hero Hei did nothing wrong. And if he did something wrong, it was just something tiny..."
@@McNugge.Crap, don't know why TH-cam just did that...
I'm sorry, but maybe you have a point...if you didn't start the reply by calling me a Kevin, pretty much undermining your own argument
Also, newsflash...I used to watch Hero Hei quite a bit. But then I realised all that guy does is sit in his bathrobe, read some Twitter comments out of context, being like "See the evil SJWs trying to take over and ruin Japan?" and that's it. There's no bigger argument being made, there's nothing else he shows that proved that that person is "an insane SJW".
Also, the only people I've seen sending hate and death threats were his own subscribers. And he can be like "Oh, don't send any hate towards anyone mentioned in this video..." and "I can't control what my viewers are doing" but in the end some of what his fans do is his own fault.
@@McNugge. Something tells me that anyone that replies is going to be under the classification of "woke kid" who's bashing on you.
I mean hey why complain about us kiddies bashing your factual opinions? Be kind of snowflakey if you have to prepare for people bashing and being mean to you.
But now, he does do wrong. Lazy content that is just "Found a tweet, not many likes, says "I don't like this big booba 8 year old girl in an anime", so that means all of Twitter is cancelling every anime ever.".
Also it's funny that they think that Japanese artists would side with them. They're pretty progressive and they're never going to either notice or call it out. Watch One Piece actually looking for that ID/pol and feel bad.
@@sinko3811 "But then I realized all that guy does is sit in his bathrobe, read some Twitter comments out of context, being like "See the evil SJWs trying to take over and ruin Japan?" and that's it. There's no bigger argument being made," if it isint that serious why do you care about it?
Raye’s tweets about how budget affects writing was something I had learned in animation classes. I studied under people who’ve worked on Cartoon Network and they used to tell me that budgets are VERY important for every aspect of the animation process and production. Budgets are important for schedules, paying animators, voice actors, outsourcing and so on. If you’re working for a big studio that gives you a small budget, chances are you’re being rushed to make this project as quickly as possible, so doing rewrites or going back to fixing issues in the animation become harder to do. Weebs are fine excusing when it happens to anime, but because it happens in a show that’s kinda gay, they have no problems shitting on it. I didn’t like HGS all that much, I thought it was kinda ok just not good, but everything Raye said about their show being low budget and rushed was obvious to anyone who’s ever studied or even researched animation. They were 100% right about everything they wrote. All the people saying that they’re wrong or untalented have clearly never had to work under pressure to get something done as fast as possible and have zero knowledge of how ruthlessly uncaring the animation industry is.
Yep
Good writing requires good pay. Shocker.
Budget is so important for a show and how it looks and feels in the end. I work in animation on the production side and it’s a real eye opener to how shows get made. Also anime is bad at paying its animators shit to where ppl can’t even afford to eat food for a couple days. Like, is that what y’all want? Do you want ppl dying on the job because they are so overworked? Cuz that has happened. A LOT goes into making a show, and even more in trying to make a good one. Budget is one of them.
Weebs are fine excusing when it happens to anime? since when? they always complain when an anime have bad animation or bad story
I think the same people who do this make the mistake of comparing indie animation projects to animations made by a larger studio. They forget that the indie people are able to give themselves all of the time they believe they need, and a good portion of the time, they're either a single person or a smaller group of people doing literally everything. The conditions these people work under ARE NOT the same.
Aaaand subbed.
Fucking thank you.
Bruh, if we never bitch, we don't get our way. Be nice, they won't care. Just saying. That is how we got good anime back.
@@Featheryfaith7 “WE HAVE TO HARASS PEOPLE OR WE WON’T GET WHAT WE WANT!”
Despicable, deranged behavior. Criticism can always be constructive, and creators owe you nothing. Fuck outta here with this
@@Johnny2Cellos My man :)
@@Johnny2Cellos PREACH
@@Featheryfaith7 If you want things done your way, make your own fucking anime. Creators don't owe you shit.
I watched uniquenameosaurus's video and I rly have gripes with his "diversity-neutral" argument for representation in media. A black character in a cartoon doesn't have to have an interesting self-reason to exist in a story, same for High Guardian Spice's trans character. His holes in his arguments are that *audiences like to see people who look/are like them in their media,* and that for any arbitrary influence any internal Thermian-argumentative lore can just be labeled as uninteresting by anyone and then suddenly the representation is "forced". It's just a bizarre stance to me, the onus of why representation is not on representative characters. There's a connection to the real world with real people who consume media. It's up to the people creating media to allow their content to reach people who find your characters relatable. This is a storyteller's job, not their character's job. Let people exist, don't wait for an interesting reason to not gatekeep identities from media.
"Why do shows have to devote so much time to a character's gayness? Why can't they just exist like the other characters?"
"Why does this character have to be gay if you're not going to do anything with it?"
@@thunderbird3304
Uuuggghh i hate this shit
Oh my god this is something that seems to be spreading like absolute wildfire… why do they always talk about people that aren’t “default” (yes they legit think that white Cis/straight people are the default humans beings…) as if “forcing representation”? Like I just want to exist dammit! Does this mean every time I walk out of my house and go for a walk I’m “woke” as they say? Why isn’t it deemed for other people to be shown in media besides white guys? Why is it suddenly “woke” and “forcing agenda” I’m sorry my existence of being a woman of colour means I’m making a statement for existing…
"'Can't take the heat?' You're the one stoking the fire!"
What a great quote.
Hero Hei is legit the most annoying person online, he cries about being critical but cant handle it when someone criticize him.
That's what happens when you cater to an audience that only agree with you
The people who crank up the fire for others also cannot handle the fire being cranked up on THEIR end
same go with joe
The fact they got mad at a subreddit banning a slur should be enough red flags
@@neco-katv2678 Joe encourages people to think for themselves - If you disagree with Hero Hei than your opinions are invalid and you'll feel the wrath of his toxic Fanbase.
@@Supermariorpg6 and let’s not forget how he sends his fanbase to harass people he doesn’t agree with 😭 he did that to a minor
The show got way too much hate. Sure the marketing sucked and there are animation errors, but Raye and his team got screwed over big time. They worked at a non-union studio and were rushed. Weebs always want animators to k!ll themselves making Disney-tier animation, and don’t give a sh!t about their well-being. They truly don’t care for the industry given that these idiots think they know everything and harass actual industry people
THIS^^^^
Story = crap
Writing and character building = crap
Animation = crap
Marketing = crap
Ethicalness behind production = possibly crap (can't confirm if they rejected another show for this crappy version but there is still some controversy)
No it didn't, it deserved the hate
They chose to accept a contract knowing the full details. They didn't get "screwed over" they got exactly what was in their contract.
@@SuperMandibleclaw
The show is bad but not for all the reasons the man children online are complaining about.
The rage over High Guardian Spice is proof that the "create your own if you want diversity/inclusion and nobody will complain!!!" is bullshit. If a story or franchise isn't centered around white male characters or appeals to that demographic in some way, it will be bombarded with hate regardless.
My friend started a comic centered around Black women and African mythology, women who use the powers of the Orisha and Loa in a modern fantasy setting that started gaining in popularity, but she completely shut it down due to recieving death threats as soon as it included some themes involving racism with white villains, as that is realistic to our experience as Black women. No matter what, we just can't win because simply telling the stories we want to tell is immediately branded "woke" and "anti-white".
You definitely hit the nail on the head about making your own art for representation. That argument is usually used to silence marginalized creators for including progressive values in their work. Sorry for what happen to your friend, I would’ve read that comic honestly. I make comics too about similar subjects.
I would've loved to read that, I've literally been looking for comics centred around Black women and African mythology. But we really can't have things, can we.
May I know the nane and where I can read what was started if any trace still exists it sounds interesting
i am so interested in your friends comics. its a shame that she had to shut it down due to harassment. its like us poc cant win no matter what we do :(
What are you talking about? Where was all this hate for female lead anime or boy love series like Yuri on ice? People were pissed at first for funding going away from anime studios like they said they were going to do and into this project. We then found out one of the creators had man hating post putting even more hate on the project. The only decent cis men are the grown up who have little to no character while the only hope for a well developed guy who could have broken gender stereotypes turns out to just be trans. Trying to hand wave the hate as just being because of the LGBT themes is stupid when there is so much valid criticism most have been focusing on.
There will always be shitty people trying to bring down good projects for ignorant reasons and those are the ones worth defending.
that section dedicated to frying hero hei was so satisfying
IKR I HATE HIM SM AND SEEING HIM GET CALLED OUT WAS SO SATISIFYING
HE HAD IT COMING
This is why I liked "JUST STOP"'s video on the thing. I don't know about the situation on twitter (I don't use twitter that often, mostly for business contacts) but to my remembrance, JUST STOP's critiques were mostly logically infallible. And those are some nerd werds so stick with me.
JUST STOP critiqued the show's writing, its extensive use of red blood despite it being fantasy creatures or creatures that are bugs (Which don't typically have RED blood), and at one point made a salient, non-transphobic critique of the trans character in the show. Not that their transness was an affront to the culture war or anything, but that it felt like they /babied/ the watcher into what being trans is with a talk, rather than just having it be something in the background which is easily inferred and canon. Accepted, even.
Also, the fact that it's "High Guardian Spice" yet they're all named after herbs... missed opportunity there, methinks... regardless. The Quartering and VARIOUS other youtubers like him (whether they too have pissed in their basement to spite their wife or not) need to understand the difference between CRITICISM and CANCELLING.
Because LOOOOOOOORD fucking knows that the moment the tide turns against them, they use that shield. "I'M BEING CANCELLED BY THE LEFT FOR MY TAKES ON THIS SHOW", but when they go on a rant about how /actually/ if you think about it, High Guardian Spice is actually a display of western society degenerating or whatever because the show wasn't made by japan.
Harassment isn't criticism. And criticism isn't cancelling.
TL;DR ('cause that was a lot and I'm sorry kiss kiss) If you're going to criticise a show, you can't do it from the sidelines, being gross and horrible to the creators and not expect pushback. That's shitty. You'd be shitty in that instance.
Edit: Also JUST STOP also brought up the PNG thing. Dislike that shit too.
funny how they do shit like this but take every oppurtunity to shit on twitter and cancel culture. like-- YALL ARE BIRDS OF A FEATHER STOP ACTING LIKE YOU'RE ANY BETTER
The literature devil video was also good
Eh... I don't mind shows blatantly explaining stuff like what being trans is just because I know alot of people are ignorant about trans people and can easily miss it, which can lead to people even denying that these characters are lgbtq in the first place, which honestly is just so annoying. Honestly, with the way shows like voltron messed up with how they depicted their gay characters I'm loving these new shows just being blatant as hell and having dudes just straight up saying "I'm gay!" If their outright just having theses characters just blatantly saying their trans I'm not even mad, I'm kinda tired of having these things confirmed off screen.
@Oblivion 1 The difference is instead of writing a trans character to just be like "Oh yeah, I'm trans" and have the other character to go "oh that's cool" and leave it at that which shows that transness is real, it's accepted, we stan, instead it's dragged out.
Crunchyroll isn't going to have children on it. It isn't going to have 2010's steven universe child fans on it (godbless that series my god).
You know what audience crunchyroll DOES have? Idiots. And not just KID idiots, I mean ADULT idiots. The kind who think having a trans character (poorly introduced OR NOT) isn't acceptable and is "indoctrination". THAT'S the audience.
Of _course_ LGBTQ+ rep is excellent and we _love_ that! But the more boss move would be to have them go "Oh yeah I'm trans" and have that accepted, instead of "Oh, I'm trans! That means I-" etc etc.
God I hate it when someone anime fans complain about Twitter... When Twitter hasn't even touched them. They're like the boy who cried wolf half the time, it's like they want to get yelled at so they can do that whole "GAMERS ARE THE MOST OPPRESSED" shit but with anime fans.
Also Spider-Man debatably is a self insert character. Co-creator Steve Ditko put a lot of himself into the character. If you look at a picture of him and compare it to how Peter Parker was drawn at the time, they look pretty much the same. Self inserts are definitely not new, so I have no idea why it’s suddenly a problem now
Literally 99% of creators will put at least part of themselves into the characters they write, that's how writing works, the only reason it's even a thing is that the OG Mary Sue was a shitty Star Trek fanfic.
Luke from Star Wars is a self insert too
To answer the question seriously.The issue with self inserts is at people have realized that they can very easily become a way for the writer to:
a) Talk down to the viewers about particular points of view.
b)Live out a wish Fulfillment fantasy where they're the second coming of Christ and everyone they don't like is evil.
Because of this people intend to view self inserts as bad. Especially in a show that is political.
I see Peter Parker being used as a example.The thing is,while yes Parker does intend to attract beautiful women,it doesn't change the fact that his life kinda sucks.(Inability to whole down a job,his superhero responsibilities putting a strain on his relationships with the mentioned beautiful woman e.t.c).Which makes the wish fulfillment aspect of his stories less jarring.
To be clear.I'm not arguing HGS falls into this failings.Havent seen the show myself.I just want to point out that their are legit reasons for people to be wary of self insert characters
@@starpilot15 yeah I can understand these reasons being a point of contention with people regarding self insert characters. I don’t really mind them very much so long as they’re written well, but it seems like in this case people are calling out the use of self inserts just because
When Steve Ditko became the sole writer for Spider-man, he injected his own individualist politics in the story. He even had Peter insult protesters, which echoed how he felt about the civil rights protesters
This video is so damn refreshing to see. I personally really can't stand the anti-SJW outrage bait channels and their grift and you hit the nail on the head in a succinct, well-spoken and entertaining fashion that does a great job exposing how hollow their output truly is. Also, this video works as a great companion piece to DaftPina's video on High Guardian Spice. As far as I'm concerned, these two videos combined are the only ones worth watching when it comes to the internet's weird, irrational hate-boner of some average cartoon made by well-meaning creators who got hosed by the people funding it.
Yep, its important to only listen to things you agree with.
@@notsmine9191 you're really funny y'know. On a more serious note. Watching critiques is fine and i don't even like the show either but most of the points in those videos were weird issues. It's not worth listening to if for example the reason you say the show is bad is because a character is trans. Why should I openly engage with stupidity when I can watch a nuanced breakdown of actual writing flaws.
@@anonymoususer9197
Who said you had to do anything?
Who also said anyone had to care how you feel?
"nuanced"
You are really funny, y'know.
@@notsmine9191 where did I say anyone has to care. I'm saying that i don't have to engage with anything as you were implying that op only wants to validate their opinion. In that same vein why did you reply to op. No one asked what you thought either? The "no one asked" logic never works mate. No one ever asks. Deal with it.
@@anonymoususer9197
Thanks you for taking the time to argue something i didn't say. Good job.
HGS is really a boring show, but the ovehatred and harassment to the creators is overwhelming to the point it's hard for them to explain their side of the story. And the egotistical, pompous, and racism within these pseudo-anime and Anti-SJW community that let this show live on their heads rent free shows how sad and pathetic they truly are.
Na people like u that take trolling seriously is pathetic
I have no interest in watching this show but man people take it way to personally when they don't like a show. If you don't want to watch it don't nobody is gonna force you to. The thing I honestly hate most about the anti SJW crowd is that they hurt genuine criticism for a show, movie, or game because they genuinely make some of the worst arguments to criticize something I've ever seen.
Yep. It's kinda getting difficult to find proper criticism for any piece of media without it having some form of hate.
Now I have problems to absorb proper criticism thanks to my negative hate watching in the past.
People would have done it anyway, but Doug Walker and CinemaSins raised a lot of people to think like that, and I hate them for it
It’s their personality
When a movie with a mostly white, hetero cast is bad: “What a bad movie”
When a movie with a diverse cast is bad: “WOKE GARBAGE!” “HAHA GO WOKE GET BROKE”
my irl friend is making me "hate watch" this with him in vcs we have and he pauses like every 2 minutes to shit on something like it's the worst thing ever produced, and i have to be like "haha yeah so true" when all of what i've been watching has been just... okay? im not a huge fan but none of this is as awful as people have been making it out to be, at worst it's just "mid" and not the downfall of western animation and the beginning of the sjw liberal snowflake army taking over like 99% of what i've seen about hgs has made it out to be
at the very least we can agree that slime boy is an amazing character though
you should be telling your friend that
Theres never always "mid" when it comes to Western animation for some goddamn reason. Its either a "masterpiece" or pure garbage to these types of people.
Jesus man stop being friends with this guy for your own sake
get better friends lowkey bro
your friend sounds toxic asf
i love the hero hei slander. the guy makes the same videos 5 times a day with the same shitty takes
He a copycat of The Quivering who all other Anti-SJW TH-camrs copycats of him. Then again, all of them copy from that moron No Bullsh*t.
@ǞЯƮΦЯiǞ РęПDЯǞgΦП NO BS, ironically, is full of BS. I'll never forget his dumb takes on Black Panther and Avengers. What's that? Black Panther has too many black people, most of who are women? Almost as if Africa is mostly black people and women exist among them
Slandering means you’re lying about someone. Please, I beg you, use words that you actually know the meaning of. It gives the wrong impression.
@𝕯𝖔𝖗𝖔𝖙𝖍𝖊𝖆 𝕬𝖗𝖓𝖆𝖚𝖑𝖙 Yeah. No BS said that Wanda is "woke" despite being one of the most powerful Marvel characters and she's also a reality warper. Like, how is it "woke" when she just loved the man who happened to be a robot in a sitcom and have children with him?
@𝕯𝖔𝖗𝖔𝖙𝖍𝖊𝖆 𝕬𝖗𝖓𝖆𝖚𝖑𝖙 Yeah. That means No BS is ironically BS and it shows. It seems like he never learned anything from his "SJW Moments" videos. Since that his channel is already left inactive for the past several months, I think his decline of his TH-cam career proves that his hate obsession on SJWs got the best of him. I wonder what happened if other anti-SJW channels might getting the same fate as him.
Remember when Laura Bailey got death threats for The Last Of Us Part 2 because people hated her character?
Some hated Abbey because she's buff that her muscles indicated to being trans, despite that she isn't. The whole hate against The Last of Us Part 2 is bonkers.
Interesting how self inserts only really happen to be a major issue for people when it comes to “woke” things they disagree with. Even just within anime when people say Shinji is a self insert or inspired by the creator, people praise the show even more.
On the other hand, I remember when the DC “I’m not starfire” spin-off graphic novel came out and everyone was using the mc allegedly being a self insert along with fatphobic and homophobic comments as their “criticism” for the story. I have some issues with that graphic novel but idk why the mc being queer, fat, or a self insert/inspired by the author should be one of them.
Same goes for this show and shows like steven universe and spop. There are things to criticize (even about the creators and how they handled things within their shows - especially regarding treatment of characters of colour) but the mere inclusion of queer rep or characters inspired by creators isn’t one of them.
There are plenty of successful, well respected authors/creators who made characters that are basically just themselves. Turns out it's easier to write about what you know than what you don't.
Anime has plenty of self insert characters, especially within the harem/fantasy genre... So I have no idea why they're bitching about it now. Y'all thrive on that.
The show isn't good, so they might be trying to find every thread they can to pick it a part... Which ends up making them look a bit silly?
There is a WEBTOON called boyfriends and that gets unnecessary hate and one of the criticisms is that the trans character is a self insert. If it is who cares? It’s really weird how some self inserts are accepted while others are ridiculed.
I could see justifiable criticism should the inclusion of a self-insert weaken a story’s writing (e.g. having the aforementioned character lack flaws needed to make them engaging). However, the mere act of a self-insert isn’t exactly what I would call grounds for proper critique
wasn't it Asuka? Or did i missread something?
While i find high guardian spice meh, scratch that I do find it funny while turning off my brain , the harassment and people milking the controversy out of this show are annoying.
Yeah, I’m tired of weeb incels uploading clips daily to mock the show. If you hate it, let it go. Maybe they’re secretly fans since they make videos about the show 24/7
@@BluffsCastle Exactly. The show is harmless I've seen worse like way worst shit.
@@BluffsCastle So you’re saying that it lives rent-free in their heads?
@@longlivethesheet4561 yep
I’m glad you enjoyed it
Its why Im extremely wary of some ""review"" video on this show. It's either a well crafted video with criticism to the show or a video thats just basically "anti-sjw" that insults the show and/or creators...
Also it really shows that some people don't even know how animations work. Animation and production in general isn't cheap at all. When the creator admits that the show has very small budget, people still insist that it isn't an excuse and continues to insult and harass the creators...
Yeah, it literally isn’t an excuse, and it never will be. If you can’t afford the budget for basic production needs, why bother making the show at all?
@@alexgomez6723 maybe because getting the opportunity to make a passion project that you've wanted to crate for years and to put it out into the world sounds amazing to an artist. And is an opportunity so few people get. Being able to monetize a work you've put so much love into is not a common thing that people in creative spaces are able to do. you can have your critiques but if you had the opportunity to have a project you love and care so deeply about actually have the potential to get greenlit and for people to see it, for it to touch other people and for your work to resonate with people like other works you've been inspired by, you would take that chance regardless of budget or difficulty. this is something a lot of creatives who haven't been experienced in the industry before will take up wholeheartedly, and even industry professionals would want to do. it's a dream for anyone who's ever wanted to express their stories and have them produced.
honestly, i've personally been avoiding HGS videos on youtube specifically because i don't want to flip that coin
heck, the only reason i watched this one is because the title specifically calls out that behavior
like i don't want to click on a HGS video and get literally the exact same content as i would from people talking about it in 2018
@@smullps That’s a lot of cheap appeals to emotions. You could make anything out of “passion” and “hard work”. Meals. A house. E.T. and C. But you did a shit job, that didn’t matter. We shouldn’t just be praising “passion” or “hard work” for its own sake, we need to see that be placed into something worthwhile. I’m not going to bend over backwards for something just because someone was “passionate” about it.
@@alexgomez6723 I wasn't saying that its an excuse for something not being done well. I was just describing the thought process behind someone in a position like that wanting to continue, even with less than ideal circumstances.
Honestly the whole anti-sjw videos irks me so much because its mostly just...complaining about dumb shit that doesnt even matter at the end of the day. Most if not all of the creators are banking in on hate clicks because thats what makes money. Hate/Outrage culture thrives a LOT on social media, especially on youtube.
It all grift for these whining Anti-SJW TH-camrs. They don't believe in their sh*tty opinions and doing it for views and money.
Really, my biggest qualm with this entire situation is that shows that push diversity aren’t _allowed_ to be bad. I can get down with and respect the opinions of people who don’t like High Guardian Spice, but I’ve seen so many people use it as a way to say diverse shows and any form of diversity in fiction are inherently bad. Seeing as many of the people who have made critiques of this show typically make videos surrounding anime, I notice that certain types of anime-related media can also be just as bad as HGS, but can still have an almost cult-like following so long as they don’t promote themes like diversity and inclusion, which (unfortunately) made this particular show and its creators an easy target.
Yeah... You don't have people out there talking about the poorly animated parts of Dragonball Super like it ate their firstborn child. When a big show has crappy dialogue, it gets memed, or most likely, ignored, then everyone moves on. These things only come up like this when addressing diverse shows to the point where it's almost just a dog whistle.
The bar for diversity is set *impossibly* high. And then if a show does the impossible and clears it anyway, the goalposts just get moved to whatever arbitrary measure that's suddenly able to make it seem like a "failure".
Shit, if we had honest equality there'd be just as many queer bad shows as there are "straight" ones (or insert any other underrepresented category in there). Can't I just enjoy the dumb bad show where I actually exist in in peace? Maybe I don't wanna watch the Citizen Kane of Diversity. Maybe I wanna watch the Austin Powers equivalent.
I think the main reason it can't be bad is because it sets an example to other companies that have the power to fund these diverse shows. All HGS has to show to these companies is that diverse shows are more likely to fail in the market. That is why I think that it is so important to nail something innovative like this because it sets an example in the industry. I don't think diverse shows are bad, the owl house remains to be one of my favorite shows, but screwing something up like this is going to hurt future diverse shows as they are going to be even harder to green light with this piece of media as a prime example of what could happen to their show. Just a heads up, im not an anime fan and I've watched very little, so don't mistake this as a salty weeb rant, im just genuinely concerned for the future of diverse shows. If you would like to add to this or rebuttal it, let's just keep the discussion civil. Have a good day.
@@Rcrobodude Same opinion here. I actually have a massive grudge with Steven Universe and RWBY, among others, for wasting their potential and poisoning the well. Neither show is good enough to really justify their massive fanbases, and they don't set a good precedent for progressive cartoons'. Thanks for trying to keep things civil btw
@@OEBlackman how is steven universe poisoning the well. And who cares steven universe fanbase is big
Can't catch a break, essentially
i hate hero hei with every fiber in my being.
I hate youtubers with title"woke tv show ruins hollywood!! anime better!
@@chidaluokoro9104 Most of the time the "wokeness" is represention of marginalized minorities
Wow a person on internet with basic human decency and empathy? Now that's rare.
Fun fact: critique is analysis and evaluation of bad and GOOD sides.
it's fine to criticize a show for bad writing. But harassing the people working on the show is too far
This, finally. Some absolute crazy person actually made a video talking about how a character in high guardian was a self insert from the creator, then basically said "they have a new project and it clearly looks like another woke story with another self insert, so keep an eye on that project so we can harass them there"
self insert. ah yes, never see that coming from anime before. yes..
fr anime have the blandest self insert protagonist since the beginning but i see no one have issues with it
@ǞЯƮΦЯiǞ РęПDЯǞgΦП woman and minorities staring in their own show but not in a sexualize way that objectify them and cater to the male gaze?? UNACCEPTABLE!!! SJW PROPAGANDA IS RUINING WESTERN CIVILIZATION!!!
fr leave these poor people alone, jesus, and go watch your 57648395th male power fantasy or whatever.
It’s sad how much of a life these people don’t have.
About time someone said it. I think High Guardian Spice is kind of vapid and all-around bad but the way some people react to it you'd think the show murdered their firstborn or something.
Originally people were just mad that the money they spent supposedly going to underpaid Japanese animators who’s content they actually want on a streaming service based around Japanese anime, but instead went to a bunch of Americans. Obviously most people crying about it today are just jumping on a bandwagon but as someone who’s been following this from the beginning, people had an axe to grind before any of the other annoying shit about this dumpster fire came out.
Also, thank you for laying into Hero Hei for being a bone-headed tool. He's constantly done things in videos that leaves me going "REALLY DUDE?"
the only thing i've seen about this show that i actually have a problem with, if it's actually true, is that Crunchyroll took money from subscriptions that they claimed would go back to animation teams and studios in Japan but instead made their own studio and are now pushing out original properties which are overall pretty substandard. which is a scummy thing to do and my opinion of the company wasn't great to begin with, but again, that's Crunchyroll not the HGS team.
everything else that could constitute as "valid criticism" for HGS has already been said: writing isn't good and production schedule was a mess. everything else is just people jumping on a hate hype train to bash LGBT+ people YET AGAIN for daring to try and provide more rep for ourselves in a grossly oversaturated industry
Crunchyroll does have an issue with underpaying translators (among other things), but the original productions were funded by third-party investors, NOT by the money people pay directly.
Definitely agree. While I did find some videos to come out of the firestorm to be actually good for criticism instead of just completely jumping on the hate train, the hate was definitely overblown. The big issue I had was one of the writers blowing off/excusing their past kill all men comments as being “Tumblrpilled”. I’ve more or less been an active Tumblr user since around 2012/2013. You start off as a blank dash and have to actively seek out blogs/content to follow to create your dash. Essentially, you curate your own experience. So for them to act like it wasn’t their fault for those comments pissed me off. Do I think people needed to dig up those old comments and demand answers/apologies/whatever? Absolutely not. But pushing all the blame onto Tumblr when you were the one following those blogs is just avoiding responsibility and a chance to reflect on your former and current self and your actions.
Absolutely dude. I've clowned on HGS clips multiple times, I will confess, but I was also not surprised to find out the team behind it got screwed on the budget. The producers left them holding the bag for their higher-ups being 2K Games levels of awful. And even if we had third-party investors actually paying for the show, I'd still blast Crunchyroll for putting the team in a bad spot. With that one promo video they did early in production, CR didn't even wait long enough to get anything past concept art and storyboards to show off. What were they thinking???
The most scathing criticism I can throw at High Guardian Spice is that it’s a not-as-good Owl House.
The alt-right rage machine is being fucking ridiculous
“Oh mY GoD fOrCeD ReP” like bro that is literally all people say about the show.
@@mtj8870 As a SU fan, no. Just, no
@Oblivion 1 eh, I wouldn’t even put the owl house up there. Season 2 was such a huge improvement over season 1.
It is not that it is the sexism
@@longlivethesheet4561 Steven Universe is overrated.
Sick take! It honestly sucks that negativity is easier and more rewarded because the web would be so much cooler of it wasn't this way.
Reactionaries always overshadow good criticism
Sadly, outrage culture gets clicks. People are more inclined to get angry over nothing just to feel something.
After seeing videos of criticism about High Guardian Spice that's essentially thinly disguised complaints about "wokeness", I'm really glad this exists. I think the show needs a remake and a better structure of storytelling and worldbuilding, and people who highlight its problems are valid. I can't say the same for grievances regarding characters being LGBTQ+ and progressive though, because the argument honestly loses all credibility if that's all they can express critique about.
As someone who often adds some LGBTQ stuff in my stories, not for inclusion but for realism, and who dream to make my own cartoon, when I saw all the criticism about High Guardian Spice, I was so scared. I didn’t really liked this show too but it was mainly because of the plot that wasn’t attractive to me. And when I saw everyone hating on this show I was like: Man, what if my cartoons get hated too ? What if people criticize me for being « woke » ? What if I end up like High Guardian Spice ?
Same with a lot of cartoons and movies I really liked but that people hated, such as SpieZ, Turning Red, the Air Buddies etc…I felt like I was in the wrong for liking them and maybe that if I liked these « trash », then maybe the cartoons I was writing were also destined to be trash.
So because of that, I tried to make it perfect to the point where I started to lose confidence in myself because I felt like even with improvement, my cartoon idea wasn’t good enough and that people will hate me and my cartoon if I show it like that.
I know how you feel dude.
We love the hero hei slander
it ain't slander if it's true
it ain’t slander if he can’t create
@@LukSter18998 what the fuck does this even mean
The word slander really doesn’t mean what you think it means. Using it like this makes it seem like you’re in support of lying about someone to ruin their reputation. Hero Hei can do that by himself, all it does is make you and the video creator look dishonest.
@@sekiro_the_one-armed_wolf what i mean is that any form of creative interest this one creator had is gone
you get it right?
Thank you. We need to call those anti-SJW and their unoriginal content.
You have certain fandoms (non-toxic) and lefty political channels calling them out.
Not even just unoriginal. It's all vapid toxic echo chamber full of degenerates and neckbeards trying to disguise themselves as members of society that actually deserve to be here.
They make me sick, all of them. The internet would be a thousand times better with them permanently eradicated from it.
The good news is that anti-SJW content starts to die out for milking the same Brie Larson videos all over again.
FINALLY someone says what needs to be said and calling out herohei for there stupidity sincerely thank you
edit: just found out that he is now milking the content of "cringe women/feminists" this is just painful to watch
Um........95% of his content in the last 3 months or so is literally just genshin impact, what are you talking about ?
@@mysmallnoman he's still milking the feminist drama in the genshin impact community...
@@mysmallnoman he has just started uploading this type of content lately :/
@@morgan0__o he never literally mentioned the word feminist or anything similar at all, even his video titles and comments section don't talk about feminists wtf ?
@@mysmallnoman dang, mf rlly going into Hero Hei's channel blindfolded, huh
Hero hei is the biggest cancer in the anime community.
The hate HGS gets is ridiculous, like we have people bitching about how it "stole" the opening from another anime and their "proof" is simply the characters jumping while posing as if the tomboy having her arms & legs open and the shy girl holding her skirt were so unique
Also, lmao at HeroHei being "news", grifter just makes 1-minute videos about "sjw getting owned" or fake outrage and calls that content, there is a video about how he even lies and misrepresent news on purpose with him even commenting on the video before it released proving its point by lying and misrepresent what it was about
Edit: Here is the video if people want to see it th-cam.com/video/HfOv-N08FhM/w-d-xo.html, just warning, a lot of his fans are there in the comments claiming he is being unjustly criticized
Before the show came along, I thought once that the difference between homages and rip-offs could just come down to whether people favour the work or not, I was thinking about references in animanga. I feel like that applies to HGS's a lot, mob mentality makes it super easy to get away with the most unfair assertions.
Hero hei literally searches his name what a dicksucker
Man, I feel awful for Parallax. Constantly seeing Hero Hei’s fans in the comments flimsily defending him must be exhausting.
To hero hei everything on twitter is apparently news worthy (except bigotry towards minorities in anime communities) dude milking the genshin fandom hard.
@@kepofk7545 “I swear I’m not using people telling me to cover the racism and spread awareness about it as a shield. Oh look! Twitter user doesn’t like an anime girl! Gotta make more content, bye!”
God he’s pathetic.
Gonna take a quote from my blog post that touched on this:
"Beyond the blatant misunderstanding on what the hell criticism actually is, this shows the worst kind of entitlement among so-called animation enthusiasts. It's one thing to dislike a show or point out faults of its, that is completely reasonable and people like Raye aren't calling that out. The problem is specifically using that bias to justify 'looking down' on the crew members, even if subconsciously, and distrusting whatever insight they try to give. Sure, we've had a fair share of creators who haven't reacted the best to these things, but there really is a lot that goes on in the entertainment world that we wouldn't understand, so most likely they'd know what they are talking about; things can indeed not turn out well even if budgets weren't a problem, and people have indeed done better with less, but it's never one size fits all - not that he deserves being approached with such extreme attitudes even if he's wrong anyway. And they seriously wonder why the professionals get upset and decide they don't want anything to do with them..."
But goddamn Joey, you didn't pull ANY punches. Prob one of my favorite vids from you yet, in fact, cause this shit needs to be drilled into the freaking center to the Earth.
and neither Joey nor this post mention them doing the shady shit they did in order to make the show, doesn't recognise that the show clearly had NO effort put into it, and that one of the main writers is an unapologetic misandrist....
People need to stop acting like this is just a gay show being picked on like steven universe.. its not.
@@madmintentertainment6268 it literally is lol
@@someflipnotes87 its a scam thats being called out
@@madmintentertainment6268 how is it a scam? Its just an original from crunchy roll and its not even their first original. But ppl didn't hate their other originals even tho they were just as bad mmh i wonder why. I admit making a show in that style and advertising their all female writing room to literal otakus was a baaaad idea. But man that poor guy probably settled whit what he could get and now he is being shit on by everyone for trying. Its depressing fr
@@someflipnotes87 increasing crunchy rolls subscriber cost just to fund a corporate cash grab which uses under developed gays as a cover for the fact that zero effort is put into it and it is JUST a corporate cash grab? Yeah thats a scam.
what was a baaad idea was preaching diversity and almost NOTHING else in the promos that show a writing room with nothing but white women and one of the main ones happens to be a MASSIVE misandrist who literally advocates for killing men on her twitter.
This is a corporation being caught in the act of doing shady shit, not some indie studio that actually cares about representing the LGBTQ+ community OR making a good show.
But congrats on defending all their faults for doing the bare minimum of acknowledging other sexualities and orientations.
I am LIVING for the hero hei slander LOL
can i rant about something real quick? i was seething on twitter when this first blew up, bc at first everyone was only talking about that scene where the teacher says to the main girl that he's trans. and just the sheer amount of CISGENDER people deciding whether this was good representation or not when they actually couldn't give two shits about trans issues in real life. and then there were the cis people re-writing the scene to make it "better". good god did it grind my gears, so many of these supposed superior re-writes literally just had him being like "i uSed tO be a GirL bUt nOw i'm a gUy", and intentionally leaving him saying the word transgender out because apparently it's just "too woke" to say a literal fucking adjective. it's an absolute slap to the face to the creator who literally wrote that scene AS a trans person. do i think that scene was a little on the nose and could have been written more nuanced and emotional? yeah, i do. but i respect that's how the creator wrote that scene in his personal experience, and it wasn't by any means "bad" rep. in fact, it was very nice hearing hearing a cartoon character actually say the word transgender instead of some kind of vague phrasing.
Honestly, it was very accurate to my lived experiences. When we talk about these things we use the words that describe them. We don't dance around them. Nor do we break into an epic soliloquy about our past experiences. It's pretty much:
"Why do you look like that in that old picture?"
"Oh. Um... It's because I'm trans."
And usually it ends there, but if there's someone who doesn't understand it, I'm happy to explain. And that explanation isn't generally a long thing, but something like "people thought I was a boy but I wanted to be a girl, so now I am."
And that's basically the scene. An excerpt from real life. Maybe phrased different than I would have, but like, a conversation like that doesn't involve a consultation with professional speech writers. But holy hell does that scene get a lot of focus and hate.
Yes! I watching someone’s review of HGS (their name was uniquesomething) and in the comments they and another commenter gave a alternative on how they would rewrite the trans coming out scene and it involved the character forcibly detransitioning due to anti magic or something and it was infuriating to read. A trans character doesn’t need to be made uncomfortable to let other characters know they’re trans.
@@clumsyninja925 that person's video keeps coming up when people are trying to convince me that the rep in HGS is "bad", and it's frustrating as hell. They keep ignoring everything with Snapdragon to make the excuse that it's "not plot relevant enough" and even if it wasn't, not every single second needs be plot essential, and yet, they act like it's some kind of writing failure that something might not be. They make arguments based on the video that rely on factually incorrect information about the show... Apparently, none of them have watched it. Finding out said video also has something like that is... Not surprising. But rather disappointing. Trans people can be trans and exist in a world without being the subject of misery porn.
@@psiah9889 to be fair I have not watched the show either, from what I’ve seen it seems to be a poorly made but cute show made by people who care but either weren’t good at writing and/or not given enough resources. But I have seen the scene in question, I thought the scene was clunky but not bad representation at all. I think that if over the course of the series we learned more about being trans in a magical world instead of dumping all the info in one scene, that would’ve been better. I still without a doubt would have him say I’m trans. No implication or sugarcoating, I want to leave no room for doubt.
But it is so upsetting to see how many likes those comments got. Statistically some of those like would have to be trans people as well and all I can think is “why?😩 why would you as a trans person like this. Aren’t you tired of seeing trans characters forcibly outed for drama?” But thankfully I’m an artist so I can draw my OCs comin out any way they want so that quelms my anger a little.
@@psiah9889 also to add on to your not everything needs to be plot relevant, sometimes just having characters do stuff is entertaining. It’s weird to see people complain about fluff because that can be just as entertaining as moving the plot forward. Like Euphoria recently had an episode just to explore a character and people called that episode boring. I can definitely see where people are coming from but just taking time to characterize a character is important.
people who get off of being annoying pricks make that their entire personality and also use it as way to shield their insecurities and cope with their miseries
I get so mad when Anti-SJW get way more people watching their video of nonsense instead of a videos that give real insight onto show instead of blindly hating it.
So, glad Mr. Enter basically burn me out of that kind of content. Still remember his incorrect views on Rise Of The TMNT
Well there's tons of LGBT people who actually criticized the show, most of the people who hate and criticize it on YT aren't even anti SJW
@@mysmallnoman ah dude there are shit tons of antisjw criticizing the show.As a gay man yes I think high guardian spice is bad. But I don't go and harass the creators of the show. The lgbtq people who did criticize the show done it constructively. While antisjw groups blow it of proportion because they want to make money spread unnecessary controversy
@@xblade149 yeah keep lying to yourself
@@mysmallnoman "All of the criticism of this show can't have homophobic and transphobic elements because some LGBT people also criticized the show!" Literally just the "gay people agree with me" defense some people use to excuse bigotry
The unfortunate thing about it is that...hate gets clicks. How many times have people, including us, been tricked by clickbaity headlines that were done so in order for us to click on it so they can get money?
Same thing happens with anti-sjw videos. Outrage culture is very profitable.
Regarding the trans rep part of the show, people were mainly upset by it because of the fact that they chose for the trans dude to explain very briefly what a trans person is when they could’ve just said something like “things have changed since then” or something like that. As a trans person i kind of get where they’re coming from but if that character is a self insert, wouldn’t the actual trans person have agreed to that? It’s their character so in the end I feel like the only opinion of that character that really matters is theirs ykwim?
That’s nitpicky af imo. Truth is any trans representation is unacceptable to transohobes and they’ll come up with any bullshit reason to hate it
@@flask223 eh, maybe for a portion of those complaining. But to me it was literally stopping the scene to explain what transgender is then the character being told just going "ok" and snapping back to the scene. Almost like it was a cutaway or something. Honestly if they wanted to take a moment to explain, I think it would've been better if they did it during that scene with Snapdragon. You know, when identity issues was the actual focus of the scene and Carraway was actually trying to help SD through that moment.
I honestly feel like the people that hate on High Guardian Spice don’t really watch the show. I feel like they just hate on it because everyone else is hating on it.
Media criticism would be healthier overall if people were just respectful to the creators and each other. But for sure isn't happening on Twitter.
Twitter or even social media as a whole should never be considered a proper criticism imo, there are just too many people that are too ignorant
@@danverss6176 Finding a normal and civilized discussion on Twitter is like a found of a needle in a haystack
I respect the people who made the show but they made a bad show
I think itd be a bit more healthier if they were face to face. Lets be honest, a lot of these shitstains arent brave enough to say this irl cuz they can hide behind a screen.
@@starscream8989 Not really respect but ok
I think it’s funny that when straight men self insert it’s fine but, if a woman dose it the world explodes
(Certain, very loud types of) Straight men love pandering. It's their favorite thing in the world. But as soon as they aren't personally being pandered to? Fire and brimstone.
@@psiah9889 Literally omg
@ǞЯƮΦЯiǞ РęПDЯǞgΦП literally 💀💀💀
BS, there was a male self insert in the powerpuff girls and everyone just acted the same.
Wouldn't a trans man's ideal self insert be another man? If they really were a guy in a girl's body then just make it a guy lol
Its sad how its normal to see people send hate and harass someone and then when that person ignores and block them people claim that "tHeY cAn'T tAkE cRiTiCiSm".
Once i saw a spanish "critic" to high guardian spice that was complaining about the show just because...it didn't had sexy cat anime girls .__.
Oof
I would like high guardian spice if they removed all the woman, minorities, LGBTQ representation, changed the main character to a generic anime man (with a harem) and they made it an isekai (I need the power fantasy, my mum wont let me play with the garden hose as a lightsabre anymore)
confused
@@iamhomosapien2779 They're memeing... I hope...
@@iamhomosapien2779 They're making fun of the toxic hatedom
@@princesspompom0054 No, he's making fun of the voices in his head.
The criticism has to *exist* for you to be able to satirize it.
Lol most isekai is better then your average cartoon and high guardian was better then most of them but let's face it anime fans like the animr style shows like ranking of kings and heiko story ain't popular even tho their anime because of the style of the art. The same people who don't like anime style and like cartoon style may like this show.
The show definitely wasn't high quality, but I'm glad there's actually a video (this and a few others) not bashing it relentlessly or reacting to it negatively, but rather how it could have been better or empathizing. It's almost like Crunchyroll wanted it to fail simply by deciding to put it on its platform. I truly think that if this was the same exact show but on Disney or Netflix, the outrage wouldn't have been as huge as it was. Creators that leech off of making fun of certain groups/things had a field day with this series, and it's sad. I admittedly did indulge in some of these type of videos early on but it gets so repetitive and mean spirited just for the sake of it. Also thank you Joe for calling out Hero Hei. He's the peak of this problem tbh. You know he's bad when even rev says desu does the bare minimum with the Nagatoro VA vid but he doesn't.
My problem is that Chrunchyroll is paying pennies to their translators (and aparently, also their show creators). So, why not pay more money to them, give them better work conditions? Crunchy sold the service saying they would send the money to Japan so that they have better working conditions. But instead decided to make a show and being cheap at it. But atealst the creators from HGS got unionized and got more money to make a new show (Onlix Equinox) that I kinda wanna watch.
@@icarue993 Apologies, but it's Onyx Equinox. From what I've heard, it's a decent show, focusing on Middle America mythology that doesn't just focus on the big three kingdoms there (Maya, Inca, Aztec)
@@thunderbird3304 typo, sorry.
-Good Editing
-Homestuck Music
-Dunking on TheQuartering
Instant like.
@ǞЯƮΦЯiǞ РęПDЯǞgΦП I was like: "Wait a minute... This sounds like...*realization* Elevatorstuck!"
I’ve been blocking videos “critiquing” this shows for months now. We get it. It’s a shitty show. I don’t need to see a thousand videos reiterating the same points over and over again. And I certainly don’t need bad faith arguments from reactionaries.
So thank you for making this video.
Critiquing works is one thing, but translating that energy into attacking people for no other reason but just for working on that content is another. Guardian Spice is a terrible and misguided show, but the vitriol aimed against its creators is *even worse.* It’s petulant, repulsive, reckless, and irredeemable behavior. If there’s one thing I learned from art school, it’s this: Don’t be monsters during critiques, people. Criticize the paper’s content, not the person holding the paper.
Critiquing is bitching. Just saying. 🤦♀️
@Logan Roof News Sorta agree on subjectivity of art. But as someone who went through Art College, I disagree hard on limits to corporate-level art. Art is subjective, but so is criticism. Limiting which work to criticize and not inspires close-mindedness and elitism, as if one side of art is beyond reproach. Criticism, as harsh and painful it can be, can yield potential for an artist to grow. Otherwise what’s the point of improving when you receive nothing but praise? Sure, Almost every piece of art has merit to them, but they’re just as open to criticism. You can’t have the positive without the negative. You can’t have the approval without the disapproval.
@@Featheryfaith7 I pity people who think those two are the same. Scratch that, I consider them to be very unpleasant people
@@thunderbird3304 They are. You have every right today that the anime was terrible. Just state why and explain.
It's always bothered me to no end how people who hated this show felt the need to direct their hatred for Kate Leth's men-hating tweets towards Raye Rodriguez (the creator) as if he said all those things, or otherwise act smug and then pretend they won after getting blocked. I don't like how Raye got treated at all, it wasn't fair, and people seem to forget those that work on shows are, in fact, people.
I rolled my eyes at those tweets, but that being said. The same folks who were coming at her for her past tweets would easily call what they were doing cancel culture if a creator they liked were getting the same amount of hate for old tweets.
Raye was absolutely innocent in this situation and I felt so bad for him because he didn’t do anything wrong
Not gonna lie, I've only seen people who focused on Kate Leth's "Kill all men" lunacy direct hate towards Kate Leth and only Kate Leth. I don't think any of them cared or knew about the creator.
Also, while there was definitely replies like "cope and seethe" directed towards Raye on that post about "the budget" being to blame for why HGS fell, he was also blocking people who actually were giving *genuine criticism* and were even criticizing Crunchyroll itself without giving any criticism to the people who worked directly on the show. It was somewhat strange honestly.
@@StiikxFigure While I saw nothing directed towards Kate herself, I definitely did her tweets get sent to Raye. A lot. Often times with no context at all like this is somehow his fault that she's a piece of shit whatever. It's to the point that her words seemed to matter more that Raye's, that's how crazy people are willing to get that they can't do basic research because they gotta cancel the scourge on Western animation.
Also, who was being blocked? Because I'm pretty skeptical about believing word of mouth with all this shit that's been going on. Cynical, even.
@@cosmix1 Aside from the trolls, most of the hidden replies under Raye's post about budget failures showed genuine criticism. People replied showing he blocked them.
so glad that someone finally called hero hei out on their bullshit
There's a lot wrong with HGS, I don't like it that's for sure, but most vids about it rarely had any decent nuggets of criticism.
They mostly devolved into sneers and jeers about the creator being LGBT or the cast being mostly women or non white. Heck one video I saw had a group of white dudes laughing and mockingly headcanoning the characters races, and it kinda stung.
Me when I see women:😡😡😡😡
Yes this is needed. I was wondering why they was so mad. Have problems with the show is fine, the problem is they were being weird. They did the same thing to the actress in coyboy bebop over clothes being not revealing enough
And still will swear that they're racist, homophobic, sexist
Thats what annoyed me about thw live action CB. The actors had to endure the brunt of the 'critics' especially Faye's actress. When the main problem that made the show horrible was the writing and direction, which the actors arent in charge of.
Can you guess who got the short end of the stick to that outcome?
It's funny to me how much hate the anime community gave this show when so much more terrible anime exist out there yet would never receive the amount of shit this show received.
At least with a lot of shit anime you can enjoy it ironically like that isekai that has an incredibly low budget from a few seasons ago but this show is just sad.
Like that badly written harem ecchi isekai shows that feel AI written lol
It's hard to overstate just how disproportionately terrible the conversation around that show has been. You absolutely nailed it. Is the show good? Nope. It's another 'meh' show that no one would have cared about if not for all the people, amusingly enough, crying incessantly over culture war nonsense. That this show garnered this much constant hate as opposed to things like horrible working conditions for those working in the industry says all you need to know about the people spewing their hate.
Joey comes out the gate swinging once again
Someone finally said smth abt hero hei 💀 he's so fucking weird and rlly doesnt deserve a platform like that
as nuanced as this is, Hero Hei could just respond to the dragging he just endured from you, and his fans will brigade this video, like they did with Parallax. it's all a manufactured grift
Rip parallax hero hei’s boyfriends are still dragging him for bringing up facts and actual facts evidence in the description
Parallax. just released another video on Hero Hei.
@@Soulweaver0 I'm aware, I was engaging in the live chat the whole video lol
Don't give Hero Hei a platform to defend himself. He will just shit out his pathetic excuses to redeem his cocksuckers' faith in him.
VERBALLY JUMP ON HIS ASS MORE. WE AIN'T DONE WITH THIS ASSHOLE
@@champagnegascogne9755 there's hundreds of thousands of people giving him a platform...
us badmouthing him won't stop that, but it's good seeing someone with a platform call him out correctly
I do believe that the red ape family (an NFT cartoon) is an exception. Cause that is both bad and harmful for the environment.
yeah, even tho I do enjoyed most movies, shows & cartoons that are Not as Bad as HGS..
yeah F*CK NFTS!!
I feel like, at this point, Joe became a stand in for that cool cousin that always has the level headed and based opinions in my life...
Thanks Joe 👍
ive been thinking my opinions on this show over for quite a while. back when it was first announced i thought all the hate was making a big deal of nothing but when it came out i noticed that it wasn't the best?? but honestly nothing to get mad over. it's bad, sure, but its HARMLESS bad. something that people don't have to get into massive twitter arguments over or go out of their way to get blocked by the creator.
i always hear artists say "whatever you do, DON'T give your childhood passion project to a big studio." and I'm starting to see why that's such good advice. if this was a webcomic/series people would eat. that. UP. they'd LOVE it. but since it's being made by professionals people think they have the right to harass those involved and its just an awful way of handling something that really doesn't affect your life in any way.
i normally hate saying this, but if you don't like it, you are absolutely free to just not watch it and ignore it.
great video, you addressed this point realy well lol
Fr, people get so fucking pissed over shit and I'm just like "...then why are you watching it...? Why are you fueling your anger and hate over something you don't like?". I get it, it can be fun to rag on shit, and I don't think anything is immune to criticism, but when you're just spending literal HOURS a day hating some show you hate, it just seems like a fucking waste of time. If you really hate a show, game, movie, etc... Then just don't talk about it. Just say "Didn't like it" or "Wasn't for me" and move on!
The hate back then was because of crunchyroll saying “hey what if we took funds from anime fans who hope this gets back to the Japanese creators and funded an American show” and the fact that their shows trailer was them showing off their “diverse” writing room of like 90% white women
Some people need to understand that "hey, it´s not for you".
Some people also need to understand it sucks
A lot
@@user-lr8ow2jg4e Or maybe it's not for you. Just a thought.
@@Azerta07 Maybe they're saying it isn't for them, just a thought
People on the internet learning to not engage with content they don’t like? Impossible.
I hated the show, I thought it was terrible. But as someone who wants to be a writer, harassing the creator and everyone involved is unacceptable no matter how bad the show is. Thank you for making this video.
The fact that criticism/ harassment in online spaces is more rewarded than considering different perspectives in fandom spaces has always been toxic as hell, glad you spoke on this topic as it needs to be stated!
YAS! Also, I love your pfp
the hero hei callout was great, ive been seeing him on my recommended for months and his channel is so clearly a white straight cis guy milking situations im glad a fairly known creator openly talk about them
I always appreciate how tight your editing is. Like damn, how do you get this one obscure shot from Steven Universe to express the emotion behind what you're saying. Great vid!