@@sugarzblossom8168 Because thats the point of the term. Its an implication of "We Westerners stupid, be glad our saviour Japan gave us our gift!" Then casually forget that Easterners dont THINK the same as well, hell I live in SEA and i get 2nd hand embarasment when i see someone using "Westerner" unironically.
Cis white men let's be honest they cry and throw fits if a black person dares to cosplay as a non black character or if we say that a character is drawn in a racially stereotypical way
That “oh, Japanese studios draw black people with big-ass Sambo lips because they don’t see us very often” made sense to me in like 2007, but listen, the last time I went to Japan I saw more black folks in Tokyo than I had in my own damn city. Y’all know what we look like!
nigga there are definetly more black people in american cities but we usually live in innter city areas and these black people in tokyo definitely has some money so of course your probably going to see more of them in the city
This is why I don’t get involved in online fandoms anymore. You meet the worst people and some of the most garbage takes rise to the top. My advice to anyone is to enjoy the things you love without outside influence, and find friends in the real world that share your interests instead of random internet weirdos.
I will never understand how people can hear people say "I don't like how young characters and characters in general are sexually harassed in anime and it's all played for laughs." and thinking "Me disagreeing with this won't make me look weird."
Dragon Maid has this character Lucoa who basically harasses a small kid named, I am not kidding, Shouta. Real subtle, isn't it? The show would be infinitely better without their relationship dynamic. And don't even get me started on Kanna and Saikawa's twister game.
Tbh the racism has kinda always been a thing that was there in nerd culture Pretty much being a byproduct that uhhhhh….. Racism kinda being imbedded in pretty much all culture-💀
The racist K-On fans problem is because the show was popular on 4Chan. People would make all kinds of memes about the show and eventually the /pol/ white supremacists were also making memes.
Somehow I feel that 4Chan in general has been one of those bad influences that has gradually been infecting the anime internet fandom. It breeds a huge block of racist bigots so that we cannot have nice things.
@Um I- nigga I ain’t said shit about white supremacist being normal people since normal people aren’t white supremacist and stop generalizing groups of people just because a few idiots are outspoken that’s like saying black people are evil because we commit more crime or whatever
Honestly, seeing the amount of them talking about how Japan is "based" and most western entertainment is "woke" and "cringe" makes me think that they unironically are weebs
No cuz why do we as westerners always say "That's just the culture" whenever there is something toxic about that said culture. We as westerners don't have better moral understanding than anyone else. Japan,China,South Korean people are capable of the same "woke" thoughts.
@@tratonmcclain2004 and they think japanese or asians in general is some sort of monolith that can't process their own opinions too 💀 Almost like everyone will have diff beliefs of smthg regardless of their race and identities
@@tratonmcclain2004 The “that’s just the culture” argument has been used in many different contexts and in all of them it’s always not a good argument. I can understand some arguments but others are just… really problematic
I know right? I once saw a weeb call western cartoons and games garbage for not sexualizing female characters, specifically children! Like what!? These are kids, and even if they weren't they're usually in shows and games ment for all ages, including real kids. How do these weirdos expect them to be portrayed?
As much as I dislike Big Mouth (I’m not a fan of the comedy, but whatever), the criticism it got from weebs showed me that some of the people hating it was cause they literally couldn’t jack off to fictional kids and that shit nearly made me vomit.
That why I stopped watching anime and moved on to other media. I got tired of the children and women being sexulized "trope". It's fucking disgusting and makes every anime unbearable to watch. Now I only watch psychological/detective/drama/mystery anime because they are the only mature ones
I’ve always wondered how there can be such a big disconnect between a fandom and the media it‘s based around. Like K-On is one the most innocuous, unobtrusive animes I can think of, yet an alarmingly large portion of its online fanbase is filled with white supremacists and neo-nazis.
And touhou too, even though touhou’s a game but with an anime art style, there’s so much neo Nazis and weirdos in the fan base, it’s a miracle if I even find someone my age who likes it and isn’t a weirdo :(
Its pretty simple. Terminally online nerds who are socially awkward who have nothing in life latch onto a slice of life anime where the premise is about friends working together and getting along. Bonus points if theyre cute since they have a character they can show affection to. They watch something they want but cant have. SoL is a perfect genre for them since theres nothing complicated they cant wrap their tiny minds around.
@@crestren5996 It’s a shame because Iyashikei anime and manga are so good, but the fan bases are gross 😭 Only ones that don’t have an awful community that I’ve came across are Aria, Natsumes Book of Friends and Mushishi
Westren Anime fans do more for Japanese propaganda than Japan itself, like I literally got attacked for saying pedophila ain't right in mushoku tensei, they're wierd fr 😭
Seriously, these people will always defend it as a simple charcter flaw that disappears through character development. Um, no? It flipping isn't? He even marries all the girls in the end, literally how does he learn anything. It's so damn uncomfortable to watch to watch an adult in a child's body perve on literal children. There's some things one should't become desensitized to and this is it.
@@JLacay Sure, but is that character growth really so good to make it worth enduring more than one season of pedophilic behavior? That of course depends on the person, but I'm not nearly desensitized enough to be able to stand that shit. The female characters in this work are severely mistreated by the men around them and this issue is never fixed as far as I heard.
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NO LIES WERE TOLD. i hate how cringe it is to meet another person that likes anime because there's a 9/10 chance they're gonna be fucking weird/racist/rapey. i mostly just keep to myself with it because any larger culture around it will always just be a disaster
Dude yeah holy shit it's so awkward when you express interest in anime and a weirdo degenerate starts acting up talking about their bizarre anime fetishes and shit. It's fucking insufferable
Hi weird anime fan here got news everyone is weird others are just more I am an anime fan and a $hit poster but that's it I don't post anything offensive to a certain group but it is odd that there is alot of racism in the community I have a feeling they are "memers" that have just discovered anime and actually enjoy it but because before they got into anime which they always thought was cringe they have to hide they're insecurities by posting edgy stuff to justify anime memes I dont believe all are that bad but I truly do believe some are crazy racist or pervs
I still remember Noralities making a video about the sexualisation of female characters in anime and the community bullied her until she took it down. It's so frustrating to be an anime fan sometimes.
@@ninyaninjabrifsanovichthes45 Yeah, I saw many channels reacting to it in bad faith and when I went to re-watch it because I loved the video, it was gone. The anime community is an absolute snake pit.
I don't think the problem was that she was bullied. I heard the anime community and others called her out for being a hypocrite once (though I'm not sure if that's true). Her evidence is also not quite correct and her arguments are a bit of a stretch in my opinion. That said, she doesn't deserve that harassment.
@@notationmusical Honestly, the hipocrisy critcim was very over-blown in my eyes. I don't really remember what it was even about, so I can't make any concrete arguments, unfortunately. Her arguments may not have been the best, but the points were still there and the anime community wouldn't have called her out so much if she hadn't hit a nerve.
It's honestly so infuriating how brain dead some people are to anime bullshit. I once said "hey Iruru has a bad design and here is several pieces of evidence she is meant to be seen as a teenager from the source material" and people go "UM ACTUALLY THE AGE OF CONSENT-" and I'm like dude. Why do you want to justify gross things so badly. Goddamn yikes.
Honestly even if you look past the "she's just a short stack w big breast" the overall design is still bad LMAO. No one's implying ppl w her look doesn't exist but it's not a super common occurrence either and is usually very unnatural cases
@@Santoryu90 I don’t care if a fictional character has big boobs. In fact, I love me some respectable anime titty! But if you put two watermelons on the chest of a character who looks like a child on every other account, that’s weird as hell.
@@dattos140 So, I have spent so long thinking about this to deconstruct every point anime dude bros throw at me. Tohru states that she and Iruru are the same age, yes. However later on, Iruru tells Taketo she's 16. There's a little whispered line that's like "in human years at least". There are several reasons why this doesn't make sense. If Tohru and Iruru ARE meant to be the same age, then she should be treated as an adult. However, Iruru is NOT treated as an adult. She is often seen hanging out with the other kids of the group, and acts like a second daughter to Kobayashi. Not only this, but she is eventually romantically paired up with Taketo, who is 16. So there are a couple of options here. Either A) Tohru and Iruru are the same age and they are both adults, meaning that Iruru being paired with a teenager is super creepy. B) Iruru is actually younger than Tohru and is the dragon equivalent of a teenager, in which case it's creepy how she was designed with HUGE BOOBS and is constantly sexualized. C) They are both the same age and are, in human years, 16. Which would make the main relationship of the series retroactively super gross and creepy. Or D) which is the author didn't think about any of the implications/didn't care/he DOES care and just likes draws extremely creepy shit. My money is on D.
I honestly dont get that logic. You can care about real victims, but also think lolis are gross. Also if we are talking about catching 'real pedos' that in of itself is also a problem. Jaubrey made a video about EDP445, a content creator who is a pedo. Last year he got confronted by a group called "Pedo Catchers" and because of the video, everyone knew he was a pedo. However, the police have said it was made a little harder to charge him as the sting made the investigation more difficult. Ofc you should report suspected or confirmed pedos to the police, but doing vigilante justice can make things worse. Leave the real stuff to the professionals and the best you can do is report it to the authorities.
I fr will never get this kind of response. Ppl can care abt both at the same time, ofc one's more srs since it involves real children. But that doesn't make the later any less weird and concerning
I relate to this. Being in high school and watching characters my age being sexualized didn't feel too weird, but being in my 20s and seeing it I feel VERY uncomfortable.
Exactly, and I think a lot about how sexualization of teenagers, especially teenage girls, primed me to accept being treated like fresh meat to be consumed by older men. There are real life consequences for this shit, and when you see people your age sexualized and harassed and it played off as innocent or for laughs it numbs you to the real horror of it. When I was a teenager I though Kill la Kill was good, and when I thought about it a couple years later it was like being plunged into ice water. And I’ve spent so much time thinking about and trying to remember, what else did I enjoy have that same shit? Almost every story has weird oversexualization of minors and it’s so disheartening
Same here. Though I was always disturbed by certain fans who made 18+ stuff of characters that happened to below 18, though I didn't know why but now I finally know that I was indeed actually the sane one and those super defensive rabid fans that are the ones who are messed up af.
Yeah, I agree and kindof think it’s scary. I was young and naive so most of the sexual stuff went over my head or was easy to dismiss because I didn’t have the lived experience to understand the true context of the sexual scenes being depicted. As I got older I understood the larger sub-context and found that some of my favorite shows were full of toxic representations of sexual relationships played for laughs.
Same for me, I used to watch alot more anime in my early teens than I do now that I'm 27 because the characters were at least more relatable for being around my age and even then I was uncomfortable with the fanservice at times (this was around 2011 so it was before the explosion in the amount of isekai anime but by then harem was common from what I remember), since then I'm extremely picky with what I choose to watch in part because I assume that I'm not part of the target audience for most series.
man that point about the black caricatures in anime really hits. like how can you practice and get reference for the most complicated 10 point perspective illustrations with dynamic colors/lighting but when it comes to different ethnicities they want to make excuses and not look up any type of ref 👀..... honestly this whole video has been my view on anime these past few years
I've always found the 'There's barely any black people in Japan' excuse to be lame as hell. So they can research about mythical creatures outside their own culture(Western dragons and elves and such), make whole animes about European figures or elements but they can't google a picture of a black person? Sure.
Also can't stand people defending stuff like Black characters with "fish lips" and other shitty depictions as "it's just MY/THEIR style!" Then change it. Shit's gross.
YOU DON'T EVEN NEED A REFERENCE,if you can draw glossy lips for the fan service anime girls I'm pretty sure you can draw normal lips on black characters
Well I myself have quite a few issues with anti-SJWs, they are nothing compared to SJWs who are just a boil on the butt of humanity. They don’t do anything but whine about non-existent problems, make people feel guilty for just being themselves, and try to turn any criticism about their beliefs or ideology into being fuelled by discrimination or bigotry. Like when people reasonably criticized Ilhan Omar for what she said about 9/11 or her hypocrisy on the Armenian genocide. People tried to turn it into an islamophobic attack as well as a racist one. Or digital blackface which was already a stupid idea to begin with, where SJWs were trying to convince us that somehow sharing a Gif of a black person was somehow connected to putting on blackface makeup. Or the entirety of the critical race theory doctrine. Like yeah there are definitely some toxic people in the anti-SJW circle, but that is overshadowed by SJWs themselves who just keep complaining about race and gender. Which is why a lot of people doesn’t take things like racism or sexism seriously anymore.
can we also talk about how homophobic the anime community is for *NO REASON*? it's like they just want to be hated just because they can be, it's genuinely unreal
Tell me about it, like how they kept using her/she pronouns for Yamato (from One Piece). Even though, everyone in the story use he/him pronouns when they talking about Yamato. Even the f***ing villains use the right pronouns for Yamato. Even the main character of the manga give him a male nickname Yama-o (the ending mean man) and don't get me started with Okiku, I see so many awful videos about her
Nah cuz deadass. It never ceases to amaze me how much mfs be absolutely crapping they pants anytime someone dare says they headcanon a character as trans or non-heterosexual
@@Replica_Rabbit yeah its genuinely unreal, idk why people cant accept that yamato is considered trans lol, he's an absolute GOAT and im happy that oda is putting really good rep in OP
yeah and super transphobic. i was thinking about this yesterday along with the sexualization of characters that are minors. the same type of anime fans who say “it’s just a drawing” when lewding a character thats a minor are the same type to bully queer anime fans for making headcannons or even talking about cannon queer characters. they like to say “stop forcing your western ideals onto anime” like there aren’t lgbtq ppl in japan. it’s so odd seeing them get worked up over something that’s, as they say, “just a drawing”.
Ani twitter is also just garbage. I instantly get shivers when I find someone who fits the exact criteria of weird weeb you mentioned. It's honestly a problem, these people don't sit back and think "hey I got some weird ideals and borderline r*pey ones too! But it's ok it was in an anime I watched!!"
Hero Hei part got a laugh out of me. The thing about him and other anime fans is that they will constantly ignore basic information in order to justify and say the nastiest shit on the planet. They'll say this stuff has no impact on the real world and completely ignore the cases of real life people being negatively affected. "Loli porn and constant overdone fanservice doesn't affect real people," they say, while young girls and women in japan are constantly sexually assaulted to the point they need separate train cars from men. "Representation doesn't matter, it's fiction" they say as if people aren't bullied and discriminated for having anything darker than paper white skin and pale skin ain't the global beauty standard. The dude basically whitewashed me in a video to make fun of my twitter post and tried to paint me as some "white person speaking on the behalf of POC"... I'm black and my race was literally in my bio lol.
i mean loli porn will definetly make some closet pedos but overdone fanservice doesn't actually affect the real world at all, its simply fanservice and the issues on japense trains is a complex issues with many variables and you saying overdone fanservice is the cause of it, is the equivalent of fox news complaining about violence in videogames. and I never heard him say anything bad about representation, all he did was make videos about artists claiming to "fix characters" by making them black and i'd have to assume you have done the same.
@@handsomeboi3767 claiming it as "fixing the character" is def an issue ESPECIALLY if it's from another artist's work I can agree w that, what bugs me is that a huge chunk of ppl on anitwt think that was the intended purpose when most of the edits are just for fun or wanting them to feel a little represented. Genderbend fan edits have also been around for as long as we can remember but you don't see many ppl went crazy to call it "muh gender agenda 🤬" either
@@handsomeboi3767 It ruins it because it breaks the Emerson. I’m referring to fanservice not black people. The person responding to me didn’t pick up that.
I feel like alot of people who started watching anime as a kid realize as soon as they get older that alot of the mainstream shit is fucking creepy or downright just wrong
As a person who watched anime as a kid, yes. And it all started with me looking at harem anime and thinking "I don't think I like this anymore...?" My sister is the one who nudged my opinion on it haha. I love anime, and sometimes I let a few things pass as I sweat profusely, but damnnnnnnn
FR like I remember loving black butler when I was younger & Now that I rewatch clips I realize how many weirda$$ scenes were in it . Almost the entire show has creepy sh!t in it. It really makes me wanna bash my head in
Yeah, I was 'okay' with it as a kid because I had no idea what was going on and just went with it. Now that Im an adult and know better and how things are drawn with intention, I get creeped out a lot.
Yes! Exactly THIS is why I won't say I'm an anime fan! I've said to people (MEN) in my own personal life how angry and upset I get at how women are treated in anime AND THEN they literally turn around and think I'm the problem. Sheesh pls more takes like this. Great video
They should've like for any person utaking in the comment and disscussed about it, Like for me What counts as malicous or accidentaly destrotictve, as anyone can assume anything.
@@frannava7175 Look at the most popular and mainstream animes out there. The majority are literally shounen and seinen, heck animes that I thought were specifically targeted at girls and women (like madoka magica, wonder egg priority, violet evergarden, k-on, land of the lustrous, toilet-bound hanako-kun, shadows house, etc) are either shounen/seinen or has no intended demographic.
I remember being really into anime and finding other anime fans within my old friend group. But a black woman who loves anime, I realized something. Not only are some anime fans racist af, but a good number of them are sexist and will not listen to you. I remember having to drop a link to show my old friend group that the Kill La Kill OVA existed and they still questioned me 😑 Also, if PASWG really is coming back, please don't draw us like that. If y'all want a good example of a black person in anime, Aran from Haikyuu. That is how you draw a black person in anime.
To be fair Garterbelt was most likely inspired by black dynamite , the whole series in general is a Japanese person's understanding of what western adult cartoon media is like, hell the series was inspired by Drawn Together and its English dub is superior because the Japanese can't emulate the raunchiness
@@xblade149 that's because the Anti SJWs grifters manipulate anime fans into thinking "the woke" will take over and ruin anime, which they wouldn't because capitalism is a very powerful thing
Anime fans will literally make their whole identity watching the most disgusting shit and will call you triggered and pressed for calling that shit out. Callin people snowflakes on the internet for sayin the sa scene in big boob Onee chan's great adventure made them uncomfortable. Its literally humiliating to watch. Second hand embarrassment all around.
"Big boob onee chan's great adventure" sounds like an anime that would cause a twitter uproar, with millions of anime-tubers making "salt videos". I just made myself sad
the "you should worry about real life minors and not anime ones" argument come from people who don't do an ounce of research on the creators that often casually admit they're into minors in interviews like... what do you do for real life minors when you are actually defending the predators???
@@ninyaninjabrifsanovichthes45 yes and if it's the same one we talking about, he also got let back into the manga industry with help of his other popular mangaka friend.. like he really didn't bat an eye to that
This is why I never interact with online communities of anything I like. So many people that excuse terrible stuff so I just watch things that I like and keep it to myself or talk with friends only.
Oh me too, I really liked the powers, action, and theming of fire-force but I couldn’t get through it because of the fan service intruding every 20 seconds
It gets stupider when you think about it in mediums outside of anime. Batman fighting Harley Quinn but uh oh, shes suddenly naked! Kimiko fighting the Russian thugs in the Boys? WHOOPS, they ACCIDENTALLY groped her! Thats so whacky! See, its so stupid. When I watch an action fight, the last thing I want to see is someones panties, I just want full on fight with action scenes. It adds nothing but wank material. If the creators want to draw "sexy" time, just make a beach episode that doesnt interrupt any serious momentums. Or just draw porn.
Lets not forget the existence of Trans characters in anime, are applied subtly so their gender wouldn't be a big deal, and then the community makes a big deal about it either denying it or just misgendering instead of accepting what that characters say they as it happened with Lily in ZLS or Kiku in One piece
@@user-cj4fu8qq9b i dunno, LIly from ZLS was written nearly as explicitly trans as one could make it short of putting the words "i'm transgender" into the script and people still didn't get it though then again some of that was transphobia brain rot at play, but still
And then there are overtly transgender characters in anime from like 1983 that deal in topics such as gender dysphoria and transphobia. Such as Stop! Hibari-Kun!! She's pretty much one of the OG trans anime characters.
@@vivaciousarcanist3389 lily was so hilariously obvious that she literally initially died because she realized that she was about to start puberty; like why do you think a 12 year old who constantly wears dresses might be terrified of growing facial hair
The common argument for why anime is always taking place in highschool is that "it's the point where you have the most freedom in Japan" which makes sense, but the trade off is that you can't draw your characters in "lewd" situations. I've read plenty of manga that takes place in college or in the workforce and they all slap.
It's ironic how they say that when animes like Aggretsuko are honestly more entertaining to watch even if you aren't in the corporate grind yet. I can allow the high school settings for premises that deal with self discovery and such like Blue Period but otherwise it feels like it's only in a high school just because.
Wouldnt exactly say its the "freedom" part but more or less demographic. Usually the target audience would be kids to teenagers so a school setting would make them feel relatable. But yeah, the lewds stuff on top is just weird but can also be seen as pandering to boys and adult men so they can spend their money on that.
"You're talking about fake kids, not real victims" I talk and care about both. These people are clearly just using that line as a defense for what they know to be wrong. Not just willful ignorance, it's an direct rejection of reality.
They act like that media exists in a vacuum, but it definitely does not. That media is often viewed by (and helps to create, according to a study) pedos. Not to mention that material can be used to groom minors. Additionally, the art can be based on real kids, ones that the artist doesn't know, or does know in real life. Just because their actions don't directly contribute to abuse doesn't mean they don't harm people.
Its basic knowledge in art and writting that you must get real life inspirations but they choose to ignore that and pull out the fiction dosent affect reality
When you started to talk about the anime fans who defend pedos ikd why Hero Hei come to mind. His fandom hates POC and other marginalized groups of people. That side of the community sucks to be around.
@@handsomeboi3767 Yeah, I don't see racism in his comments or videos either. But he does give me bias reporter vibes after denying to report about the Nagatorro english VA faced racism, simply because people were annoyed that he didn't report on it. Not saying he has to but with that and watching his content, you could tell that he's a "dunk on the sjw" mainly because that's what's hot. I kind of prefer Rev.
@@handsomeboi3767 He's part of the anti SJW, cringe compilation continuum. He and his fans parade an air of enlightened centrism that in reality delights in making fun of women, the queer community, POC, and the whole spectrum.
@@thegenkan8475 your right about the fact that he’s define anti sjw but he isn’t attacking the people you stated because their minorities, really all he does make fun of objectively stupid people because of their being sjws but he tries to paint all leftists as said sjws which is of course cringe. And why are you using poc and other marginalized groups to further your argument when we really aren’t part of the subject?
As someone who was around the anime community for a long time it's so fucking weird to me how it's grown bigger and more inclusive yet at the same time has become more reactionary and and even more ignorant of the problematic parts of it
@kay kay well the thing is that I despise people generalizing groups of people like they did to black people my people or any other group of people and the fact that your out here spreading your ignorance is cringe
Jokes aside tho ye anime can breed weird ideals into people lol. This is why you be picky with the media you consume. Watch the dark stuff instead of people groping highschoolers all day.
And by this I mean watch something that actually makes you uncomfortable but actually talks about dark stuff. Idk like happy sugar life? And no it's not an anime or manga made for shock value
@@revolutionarymagic3459 The best part is that you'll least likely meet them irl. The worst part is that you are most likely to see them in online spaces.
another reason the "you care more about fictional minors than fictional ones!" argument is stupid as hell is... fictional children being sexualized is disturbingly normal and rampant on the internet? Everyone who has spent any amount of time online, EVEN JUST USING THE INTERNET NORMALLY, has VERY LIKELY ran into cp of a fictional minor, but I doubt most people have randomly stumbled into cp of REAL children. People are so loud about fictional cp because it's EVERYWHERE, NOT because it's MORE IMPORTANT than real cp. Anyone in their right mind WOULD HATE TO SEE BOTH, and be WAY MORE DISTURBED by real cp, but you're not likely gonna just stumble into cp of a real minor while scrolling through twitter.
I had an argument with a person like that before, told me that lolicon anime "turns out in less crime rate" againts children... actually lost brain cells from that point
i really don’t know how the same people who would naruto run, sit in chairs like L and crack their knuckles like kaneki believe that people who like to sexualize fictional children aren’t pedos
@@bynaur7003 as far as I can tell it's form one German study where they legalized real cp for only one year. This study is pretty weird as it only seems to be concerned with how this impacts the ped0s and not minors or society as a whole. not only that but one study isn't enough to say something is conclusive.
I am fixated on Tumblr (yes, that hellsite) and, even after the mass pornography ban i've unfortunately ended up seeing horrid shit like that AND people defending CP and people who create, enjoy and consider themselvs CP likers/lovers
@@hell0daisy193 his narcissism and victim complex have imploded into a black hole at this point. The fact that VJ has more subs than him, and would not quit as easily when his wave of harassment comes in it'd probably make hei's head explode. Possibly go full Karen on Joe too like he did with Parallax.
Jesus you people are scared of him, it's pathetic and funny at the same time 💀 And every time a comment like this is posted, a wee little baby has to say something like "his fans! OoOoOo noooOo" cry some more 😂😂
Remember having a friend on discord that I was pretty close to. He turned out to be really creepy and had a weird obsession with loli/shotacon and being racist/anti-semitic calling himself a facist and got mad when I said he literally was a nazi. Bro literally said who needed therapy when you had anime. I'm no longer friends with him and have been honestly pretty happy since
To add an explanation on why most anime are set in high school and correct me if I'm wrong: Japan's workplace culture is so much of a capitalistic hellhole that Japanese people view highschool as the best time of their life to the point where anime set in highschool are probably their way of escaping their hellhole reality
Its sadly true. Even Ghibli movies (which AniTwitter decided to hate BTW) feature mostly kid and teen protagonists, albeit with a focus on coming-of-age or self-discovery themes, but yes, the overall sentiment of Japan is that youth is the best time in their lives, or their most adveturous.
im pretty sure that's correct, which makes me shocked everytime someone says they want to move to japan. that's the one thing that makes me never want to move there. work is bad enough in NA, why would you want to go someplace where it's worse
@@tyleryagi5783 Someone who actally knows what they’re talking about? You mean someone who gets off on kids? Oh, sorry, did that hit too close to home?
I can already see the mass of deflection and regurgitated anti-sjw rhetoric from in response. The older I get the that anime shit I can't take anymore, and I become more selective with what I watch each season because I hate the loli bait the fucking casual sexual assault and casual racism. Just because it makes people uncomfortable to talk about doesnt mean it shouldn't be said, this medium can and has produced some legendary shit but it can always be improved both in the community and the actual content.
what do you mean by casual racism? but you are right about the loli bait and the anti-sjw rhetoric does have some good points but if their just saying the opposite of what are saying sjws then its pretty retarded
i quite literally had 30+ man in my twt mention trying to explain to me why it’s okay to lewd anya as long as she is aged up 😭😭😭 and every time i tried telling him that is clearly very WEIRD all he would try to tell me i’m the weird one for thinking that
This is a big part of why I don’t really engage with online fandoms for anything anymore. They have a way of sucking the joy out of things I love. It sucks that these creepy losers basically get to dictate what it means to be an anime fan
@@redstarbayyt3528 Considering how "difficult" (for a mildly polite way of putting) they were know to be, even if you weren't anywhere near them (like myself, who wasn't part of that wave of My Little Pony), I can empathize with having to have made that choice. Their poor reputation preceded them by leagues, same as many other infamously toxic fandoms/fandomspaces..
@@LanerGuy well to be honest I haven't seen no toxicity in the Brony fandom but I did seen a lot of toxicity in the Steven Universe fandom with the whole whitewashing Connie situation and a lot of Steven Universe fan telling artist to commit suicide I understand what you're saying but Steven Universe was like the first-ever fandom I ever i was in Steven Universe fandom left a bad taste in my mouth making me think that all fandom are bad but not all fandoms are bad it's just sometimes you accidentally go to the dark side of these fandoms (sorry if this is too long for you I sometimes don't know how to write a paragraph good)
Most argue that it's okay because they just use it for femboys (which is fucked up in on itself because it frames femboys as men trying to deceive others into fucking them not dudes that want to look feminine) while completely disregarding how others use it
I essentially dropped anime entirely cause at some point it's just frustrating and sad how inescapable the sexual-assault-played-for-laughts or sexualization-of-minors is. I only watch the stuff my little sister says is safe now because this shit makes me depressed man...
I just watch anime exclusively from the 1970s and 80s, and even then, there's still weird stuff. But somehow, I feel like it's gotten worse now than it was back then.
Yeah I’m actively trying to avoid the shit that’s got weird stuff in it. Thankfully most of my anime that I love doesn’t have any or at least MUCH of that stuff. I would recommend trying to get into more manga, a lot of the more mature and aged up stories you can find way more of there, since they don’t get adapted a lot of the time :(
oh i’m the same, it makes me sad that i don’t watch anime much aside from a few shows i already like/know are fine, but i can’t bring myself to keep up with it. there’s too much weird shit lol
@@ninyaninjabrifsanovichthes45 yeah, my favourite manga is devilman (the original 1972 one) and there’s a… lot of problems with the series as a whole, but the original manga isn’t _awful_ & it’s nudity isn’t… really portrayed as sexual. it doesn’t feel as gross for me to read than a lot of things released now do, even if it does have blatant nudity in it. i dunno. unfortunately people will keep buying into anime with gross stuff, and studios will keep making it.
@@handsomeboi3767 That they saw Anya, a child and then thought of drawing sexualized art of her. Yeah they aged her up but why would they even think of that when looking at a kid?
I want to say THANK YOU FOR THIS!!! I too have realized some of the problematic topics you've discussed as I've gotten older that I wasn't too aware of when I was younger; especially the extreme level of "fanservice", sexual harassment of male characters, sexual exploitation of females characters, and it seeming EVERY anime takes place in HIGH SCHOOL. Please don't misunderstand, I enjoy watching anime, I have since middle school, but I often times find myself struggling to find things that I can watch (both for maturity purposes and are nonproblematic). I DARE NOT say I'm knowledgeable on the matters I speak, because I'm not, rather I'm just another individual who just realized I wasn't the only who has a similar experience when it comes to the subjects discussed in this video.
Today's weirdo anime nerds wouldn't survive the early 00's where most of the fansite webmasters, translators and general just most visible and proactive members of the "fandom" were girls. I don't think there were MORE non-men but they were more proactive and passionate, there was way less stigma about anime being a boy's club. No it wasn't a haven, people were very openly homophobic and it was normalized, and in most forums bigotry was tolerated at best, but man do I miss when there were less anime per season and there wasn't such a divide between demographics.
I'm kinda surprised to learn that there were more visible female weebs back then compared to now. Actually, come to think of it, Webtoons seem to be pretty even in terms of readership. Manga's a bit better about female fans, but anime in particular is still weird about it.
My mother loves to collect 80's shojo mangas ever since she was a teenager. She even once told me that from all the friends she has, the one that are obsessed with japanese culture back then were mostly girls compare to boys. All she knows that the boys are more likely drawn towards western superhero comics compare to the Japanese one.
to me it's weird how the fact that there's tons of female weebs is surprising to some men. despite all the extreme flaws everywhere, there's alot more eastern media with fully fleshed out female characters than western ones. the west has been getting alot better about that since the early 2010s, but before it was extremely rare to have good female characters in comparison to japanese media which has plenty. of course women are gonna love that, it's a medium that gives them tons of representation??
Sooo glad that you made this vid- honestly sometimes I get a bit worried that I’m the only one who disagrees w/ this kinda shit (even though I know I’m not) BUT FOR REAL WHY ARE THERE SO MANY OF THESE TYPES OF PEOPLE 😭
Verdis might be spiteful when he makes videos complaining but he is my go to passionate honest fun yet angry bro that speaks his mind in the best way possible about things that I actually care about [toxic communities, horrible behaviors in people, terminally online lunatics]. Verdis being clowned on my timeline is a good way to purge my friends list of people with no care of issues like this, and I just love tuning to these. Keep at them Verdis, just hope you don't don't get banned by people around twitter.
I don't fully agree with him on some more grey topics, but his casual videos are so relaxing and wholesome. On his more serious ones I know for certain he'll be fucking right
That’s the problem I have with his videos that let his thoughts and emotions do the talking then actually thinking about it and doing actual research on the subject.
@@JLacay Yeah, I've noticed he's misinformed in places regarding the medium itself (like not considering societal context, being inconsistent with the "numbers vs appearance" schtick regarding anime character attraction, or just forgetting that it's not that hard to just find a different series if you want to drop the one you're currently watching) and the vid feels somewhat pick-me in nature. I can definitely agree with the bits regarding bigotry in communities because that's definitely still an issue.
the thing is that it really isnt, the anime community is really too large to pin labels like toxic or bigot but it definitely has bigoted people its just that their a VOCAL minority
"You care about lolis but not real victims" My dude, you do realize that creeps who draw loli hentai doujins base their models/ anatomy on ACTUAL CP, right? Maybe not all, but certainly enough for it to be a huge effing yikes. It is no stretch to establish a correlation between sexualization of loli characters and the dissimination of CP. And, therefore, if you stop one you minimize the effects of the other
@@ninyaninjabrifsanovichthes45 Yup, the name escapes right now, but it was Rurounin Kenshin's creator. Supposedly, he had so much of it the cops thought he had intention to sell it.
@@ninyaninjabrifsanovichthes45 i know youre talking about Rurouni Kenshin but man, I wonder how many more have CP. Just last year Galko-chan's creator was arrested for it and the year before the Act Age author was arrested for sexually assaulting a teenager.
@@thephantomthievesofhearts4388 you could just google that shit, instead of asking for sources you're gonna dismiss and not check anyway on a youtube comment section, my guy.
Another thing bad about the anime community is the fact that it feels like people only watch Shonen and talk about it. While just talking down on people who watch and enjoy other types of anime. Like there are other good genres like Slice of Life, Romance, Science Fiction, and Sports. But it seems like if you consume or like these genres. You are seen as not a real fan or seen as someone with bad taste. It's frustrating to see because people that think anime should only be about dudes fighting each other or dudes obtaining cool powers and then use them to defeat the big bad. Make anime as a whole look bad. It's basically saying that anime should only follow these formulas and that to be successful. It needs to use these tropes and cliches. Shonen is good but my god. Please watch another fucking genre and please try to watch media outside the same template.
Unfortunately I am guilty of this mindset, I've seen other genres of anime that's blown me away. After all, the Shonen genre is getting vary generic and cliche.
This. When all you can think about when seeing a character is thinking if they're strong enough to beat another one, regardless of the show or genre, it's time to broaden your interests. Basically this is a plea for Goku stans to watch a different fucking show. Also the hate on shojou just because it focuses more on building romance and character interactions and it's 'made for girls' is just as prevalent. Frankly I prefer the seinen and psychological animes because I'd rather watch a show that gives me something to think about.
also can we talk more about the the fact that a bunch of manga/anime creators have been arrested for possession of actual CP?! weird how the weebs stay silent on that one 🤔
@@zkkitty2436I can think of two examples of child porn possession. Nobuhiro Watsuki creator of of Rurouni Kenshin and Kenya Suzuki creator of Galko-chan. Also, the creator or One Piece got some backlash for defending and continuing to associate with Watsuki. He also defended the creator of Toriko when he got in trouble for violating child prostitution laws. And one of the creators of Act Age sexually harrassed teenage girls.
Oh, since you guys wanna create strawman arguments, let's talk about it. So, who wants to start? Edit: Still waiting, someone gotta reply in order for this argument to be nothing but a strawman created out of spite and no real fact
Maybe because there are thousands of authors and the handful that have been arrested in recent years aren't even the ones creating particularly ecchi series, so not much evidence to tie the two together? Maybe most fans only follow series releases and not other news surrounding the creators? It's not the gotcha you think it is.
"B-buh-but Japan wuz HoNoRaRy ArYaNz" So were Ukrainians. You think Hitler was just gonna let them live once the Russians were dealt with? These weeb mfs are so politically illiterate.
This is an amazing example of liking imperfect things. Critical consumption of media like this (in my experience on my corner of the interblag) is rare.
Whenever anyone tries to apply any form of criticism to anime, they get told, like Joey was told en masse by hundreds of people after this video, to just not watch anime. As if you can't be critical of the media you consume.
@@morgan0__o It is hypocritical because from what Ive seen, they are more willing to be argumentative and critical towards western animation compared to anime.
@@crestren5996 exactly. they get mad when people are critical of the anime they consume, but when it comes to other animation, genres they don't consume, they can suddenly criticize it how they please.
@@morgan0__o And honestly a lot of the shit makes me inclined to follow their advice. Like it gets overwhelming at times. I have to skip certain parts of Dragon Maid because of that grooming dynamic between Lucoa and Shouta.
this reminds me of one time i decided to talk about how it's weird to make billionaires into moe anime girls and someone anime fan said that i was gay as if it made my point invalid
Back when I was younger getting into anime, I had pre-conceived notions that it was weird and had gross tentacle stuff in it. Then afterwards I realised no actually, it's just a small minority of weird shows that are like that. Now fast-forward a few more years and I'm beginning to believe I was right the first time.
Same. It felt like the only 'safe' anime for me to watch (As a dysphoric trans woman who didn't know it yet so I just thought that sex was evil) was Dragon Ball Z. I've since watched some other anime but yeah looking for new anime is like a landmine. You'll either find some peak fiction like Lupin the Third or some generic trashy ecchi romcom like "Is it wrong to piss on my little sister's feet" or some shit.
I try as much as possible to distance myself from the so called "anime community" which is pretty easy to do because trans women like me get called the infamous "t-slur" all the time by hardcore reactionary weebs who worship Japan because "it doesn't have politics." Sure is a welcoming environment, isn't it? And a lot of anime itself has problematic content, like sexual assault being played for laughs. I don't even admit to liking anime in public because I don't want to be associated with weirdos who think panty shots are some deep meta commentary about society. Like I just wanna watch buff dudes punch each other and turn blond, or a beleaguered office lady start a lesbian relationship with a dragon, or a funny monkey man steal shit with his wacky gang while being chased by a cop with insane blood pressure. I don't need sex jokes every 5 seconds. I wish anime just didn't do that shit. Lupin the Third still slaps though and anyone who enjoys it has exquisite taste. EDIT: Here's a based Pedantic Romantic video about the aforementioned T slur th-cam.com/video/nxeB2AXIG3E/w-d-xo.html
I think the the only good aspect of it is that it's really easy to tell who is who when it comes to the issue because they are usually very vocal about it
@@ninyaninjabrifsanovichthes45 great metaphor, that's what I hate about lowkey bigotry, they are never upfront about it so you have to read in between the lines of everything they say to see it
See, this one just does my head in. Sorry, for the upcoming wall of "mucho texto", but I hope you'll indulge me. I have an... acquaintance, let's call her, who used to be one of my best friends. We've since drifted but remained civil. Relationship stuff, exes and whatnot, not relevant. However, one of the reasons why I've become increasingly more distant from her is that EVEN THO she is a trans woman herself, she uses the "anime t-slur" to describe herself and other trans women - living or fictional - and she defends it's use, dismissing how it's a slur. In addition to that -and she was already a bit like this before she transitioned -, she developed increasingly worrisome "tastes"; got into loli shit, was way too vocal about it, she got even more "edgy", started getting into anti-sjw/woke stuff, loves Ricky Gervais, and don't even get me started about race... I know trans people go through a second puberty when they transition due to the hormones, but this behaviour of hers is very much not OK. The one thing that sorta helps is that we live in different countries now. I think she has a lot, like, just A LOT, of internalised misogyny, but that can't be all it is. I also think that years of unchecked conditioning in the anime community did it's damage. Not to get all "mourning who she used to be", but can't say I like the person she has become. Again, sorry for all this. Not even sure what the point of this was, now that I reread it...
average loli/pedo racist anime fan vs average Lupin III enjoyer (tbf though the funni monke thief man can be a little... problematic towards women. We also don't talk about the Lupin movie about the trans nazi ,yes that unfortunately exists)
It's just like Miyazaki said back in the day: "a large problem with anime is that the community of creators has become too insular and no longer draw from any outside sources". A lot of the best stuff is either by super old dudes or and oftentimes they're the same people people who learn from their own life experiences you have people like Miyazaki and people like Kentaro Miura who not only are old (they started in like the 80s or earlier) but they really take a lot from their own life experience or arts and history. Miyazaki loved looking at engineering and he took his experiences of World War II as a child and all this sort of stuff and worked it into his stories. Now people just use the tropes of anime and put them back into the newthey make and it's like the doomsday quirk theory from My Hero Academia; the tropes just keep piling on top of each other and getting stronger and weirder and more insular. And the problem is that even if the artists are building on their own life experiences a lot of these people grew up watching anime so even if they aren't purposefully doing tropes and other stuff like that they already know what anime is and what it's "supposed to be". There is almost no way for them to completely pull from outside of coded language of anime, as anime is part of their own life story and at that point it is very hard to completely detach the stories of the genre from the story of your life.
There are times where I want to throw the anime community, especially ani-Twitter, into the sun. Thankfully, not all of the community is like that but, much like with comics and 40k, the anime community has a loud minority of very resentful nerds who can’t deal with people different from them getting into this hobby.
I literally had to drop Dress Up Darling because me, a teenage girl, was too physically uncomfortable watching ep 2 to continue, which I don't think has ever happened to me before with anime. It sucks cause I genuinely thought the story was really interesting and like if they were college students it wouldn't have been as bad, but they're not and everyone's "best waifu of the season" is 16 with a panty shot at the end of the first episode. It's also concerning how the most popular show of last season was an ecchi about two high schoolers with an episode about a minor being measured in her underwear for 20 minutes and I barely saw anyone talk about how weird that was. I understand that Marin is very comfortable with herself and her body and that's not the problem at all because many teenage girls are;in fact I like the heroine having those traits along with being a female otaku as it's somehow very rare in the medium. The problem is that she's underage and the camera is framing her as if she's not Also regarding the racism (as I am also black) I will never get over how cool it is that Hawks and Mirko from MHA, two of the most popular heroes in the show, are voiced by black people, despite the incredibly stupid "Mirko doesn't sound black" discourse from a few years ago. I also love the Love Live franchise, so seeing a black girl be announced to play one of the girls in Nijigasaki was great, until the "Aryan Brotherhood" got angry at POC existing for like the 700th time. Like we watch anime too, and whether you like it or not nothing's gonna change that. There's this amazing thing that came from a situation like this where someone unironically called black people "Nightskins", which was then claimed by us cause of how sick that name is and now it's gotten so big there's even lore behind it on TikTok. It's really something beautiful made out of a horrible situation, check it out if you have the time
In Love Live's case it's a bummer that their international students are all fair skinned. Mia, Eli, Mari, Emma, all of the Liella members (Whose VAs are actually those nationalities as well) etc. If it's an argument of population, Brazilian-Japanese people are extremely common (and I can only think of one Brazilian anime character off the top of my head) and LL has an Indian idol with darker skin in the mobile game. (Emma beat her out in popularity). Just seeing how fans reacted to Karin's voice it's sad to think of how unwelcoming fans would be of a darker idol.
What’s crazy is that they be racist on behave on other cultures and the crazy part is that they don’t even mess with them like how can you be racist and anti lgbtq for a side who barley know your existence and to top it all off they don’t like them cause it make them look back
Ngl the weird stuff takes you out of it so much. I was watching Ranking of Kings and how they did Boji and portrayed his disability and Trauma was really great, but then the final few episodes roll around and it's revealed that an important part of the worldbuilding is essentially "this nation was full of good people doing good things, but then they trusted the bad nation that's full of bad people and got betrayed." which is just the laziest writing. And then they essentially had Child marriage in the Finale because it's funny. Really hope this doesn't stick into the next Season.
The worst part about the bad nation and good nation story is that there's some debate over whether or not the author of the manga was using this as an excuse to justify Japanese imperialism and the subjugation of Korean people. Theres some similarities.
5:23 That's mostly a demographic decision to make your manga sell more, the majority of people that buy manga in Japan are kids and teenagers so a story that takes place in highschool or in which its protagonists are young is much more relatable. In the other hand is believed that the majority of japanese people hate growing up, because in Japan when you become an adult your live basically becomes your job, you don't work to live, you live to work, that's why a lot mangakas and manga readers have an extreme trauma and seriously had the happiest years of his life in highschool and uses manga and anime as an escapism.
The first ever youtuber I blocked was Hero Hei because even an annoying 15 year old I recognized how mindless his content was. With all the smug anime girl images in response to something as simple as Fanart of an anime character being drawn in a different style being labeled as “sjws ‘’fixing’’ anime”, I knew I had to get outta there quickly.
no if i seen him say that i would have left immediately since im black but he only made videos about people who are literally claiming to "fix" characters by changing their skintone but he does paint a broad brush which is cringe
Me too. A lot of the Lucoa/Shouta scenes are just so uncomfortable I skip them. I actually had to skip pretty much all of Season 1 Episode 6 (AKA the infamous Twister/Shouta Intro episode) and the first part of episode 7 when they are at the beach because of Lucoa's weird behavior towards Shouta.
@@thephantomthievesofhearts4388 harassment is definitely something people have to learn not to do when it comes to these sensitive subjects. But you’re acting like being anti sjw is a good thing and those ytbers haven’t done anything worth discussing.
I miss when the anime community was popular with classic anime and well-known ones by the internet such as Sailor Moon, Dragon Ball, Soul Eater, Lucky Star, Naruto, etc.
Gods this video is such a big mood, it's so frigging draining having to rotate from consuming a type of media while dealing with such a toxic ass community And the messed up thing is though, it's not just anime that has this problem, tokusatsu fandoms suffer with this type of toxicity as well I remember that whole fiasco regarding Kamen Rider Revice where it was discovered about those images of Subaru Kimura doing black face and him making fun of the Mursi tribe, and there were weirdos who honestly felt people (notably black people who were rightfully criticizing Kimura's awful "jokes") shouldn't be upset that someone is being racist(??) Like seriously, what the fuck is up with weeaboos' obsession of trying to shut down any form of criticism towards generally problematic aspects of media from Japan?
>counters supposed racism and sexism by choosing who to talk to based on their sexual preferences and skin color Oh why are all you rainbows such race-realists?
Kaguya-sama: Love is War is the greatest romcom anime I’ve watched. It barely has any unnecessary fanservice. Considering romcoms being the main displayers of unneeded fanservice, that’s progressive imo.
As much as I'm not bothered by more problematic elements of anime, Kaguya is one of my favorite anime because it's such a breath of fresh air. And it's actually funny. PEAK
I’m gonna comment here just in case y’all post more names of animes without unnecessary fanservice. Edit: Thank you for the suggestions I’ll try checking them out later
Yea it’s embarrassing how many times I’ve had to drop anime because of my rules like no “well she’s not my biological sister” or no “she’s 6000 she just looks 8” or similar rules I have for myself. like as a kid Dragon Maid was my favourite anime for a bit and then in the years inbetween seasons someone explained the subtext with the human child characters and I saw that one design and I just knew I probs couldn’t watch season 2
She's not that bad, I read the manga and there are only a couple of chapters that focus on her body, I would say that there is real character development and its not like other ecchii anime where they just make every situation as lewd as possible.
Oh my god, thank you. I knew I wasn’t crazy and I completely agree about the high school thing. Like, I say all the time that most of these anime could take place in college and not change….
@@nunyabiznes7446 Not only would nothing change if you set half these shows in college, but there's plenty of stories to be told about adult life like Miss Kobayashi's Dragon Maid or Aggretsuko.
I knew dudes who would call me 'gross' for reading yaoi but will go watch their 4679th harem filled with sexualized high school girls. ??Make it make sense
omg hear me out. fetishizing gay men is weird. fetishizing and sexualizing school girls is weirder and grosser, but you still shouldn't fetishize gay men
I used to be rly embarrassed to like anime but then grew out of it bc I feel like I can embrace the parts I like while calling out the parts I hate. There's a lot I wish would change, but I can at least talk about ones that actually do good.
I very much do agree that the anime community needs to check themself when it comes to cosplay or practically anything when it comes to race. Since it’s perfectly fine if you race swap a character or being someone you like regardless of your race. Since in the end of the day they’re just fictional characters that can be whatever you want them to be.🐱
yeah but the thing is that most people generally wont or dont care so your being a prick for generalizing a group of people who have done nothing wrong, and the only time they actually get mad is if someone claims their interpretation of the character is right
exactly. not many people realize that cosplaying, headcanoning and editing anime characters as black/blasian/dark-skinned is not going to affect the canon source's representation it puts out - because cosplaying and fanart is not "true representation" aka canon representation. a white character will always be white even if a fan headcanon the white character is japanese because its the ORIGINAL CHARACTER'S creation. and a black cosplayer cosplaying as a non-black character doesn't not mean its bad because it's "inaccurate" because of race. i love how the anime community, think that black people/characters or dark-skinned people/characters whole existence is to "fix" canon, be stereotypes and to be "woke."
@@sweethearth-d9349 the thing is that most people won’t or don’t give a shit about cosplaying or headcanoning or whatever unless someone is saying by them drawing a character black is fixing them or claiming their head canon is canon
@@handsomeboi3767 if that was true i think there would be less of black people saying how they get death threats and racist shit in their comments or dms. there would be less people shitting on people because they headcanoned a character black or drew them in a dark tone. i get what u're saying. there's a lot of people that don't care but there's also a lot of people that DO care about these things... even if people cosplaying, making headcanons, making fanart or making racebending edits don't claim they're "fixing" canon. hince the casual racist things people say towards people doing cosplays. hince the casual racism to people making black edits. people caring so much about things like cosplaying, headcanons, other things dealing with racial minorities are a reality. and the reality is still there isn't if nobody is "fixing" anything. its a reality that have cause discomfort to people. especially poc people or specifically black people depending on the fandom
@@sweethearth-d9349 well i really see where your coming from and i can agree with a lot of the points your making but MOST NIGGAS REALLY DONT CARE IF OTHER NIGGAS ARE RACEBENDING A CHARACTER. (and before you get your panties in a twist im black) people really just dont give a damn and this whole situation is just a couple of bad apples who are ruining the bunch. And people arent saying casual racist shit, the vocal minority being racist are making just regular old racist comments
The racism I agree it's getting out of control. Thumin is my favorite artist and the nasty stuff they sent to her is enough to actually turn in to the police it's that bad and gross.
I can confirm 7:01 I was there when it happened lmao
Oh god, you poor unfortunate soul
the fact that we both encountered someone like this at that place LMAOOOOOOOOO WE WAS READY TO GET AWAY FROM THAT GUY
Disgusting people
shit was crazy
Bro please tell me he was stopped 💀
These are the kind of people who say “westerners” in a derogatory fashion as if their only consumption of eastern culture isnt just anime
Yeah it adds a really bad conantation to it
Will always be funny because 90% of the time they ARE Westerners themselves.
@@crestren5996 99.9%*
Tbh I don't like that term much when it comes to specific cultural things or generalising
@@sugarzblossom8168 Because thats the point of the term. Its an implication of "We Westerners stupid, be glad our saviour Japan gave us our gift!"
Then casually forget that Easterners dont THINK the same as well, hell I live in SEA and i get 2nd hand embarasment when i see someone using "Westerner" unironically.
cishet men really can't stand that they aren't the only ones into anime
Cis white men let's be honest they cry and throw fits if a black person dares to cosplay as a non black character or if we say that a character is drawn in a racially stereotypical way
FACTS.
Fr
harriyanna appears to spit facts, as per usual
…wait is asexual cis het? (Sorry new to this)
That “oh, Japanese studios draw black people with big-ass Sambo lips because they don’t see us very often” made sense to me in like 2007, but listen, the last time I went to Japan I saw more black folks in Tokyo than I had in my own damn city. Y’all know what we look like!
nigga there are definetly more black people in american cities but we usually live in innter city areas and these black people in tokyo definitely has some money so of course your probably going to see more of them in the city
What city u in? Are u from like Norway?
@@handsomeboi3767 those some can are literally just 2000~ fella
Or they could just look us up?
It wasn’t an excuse in 2007. Because how the fuck did they find the sambo lips?
To quote the immortal Hbomberguy “it turns out the only way to get weebs to understand racism is to make the target a catgirl”
OH my god, when did he say that, now I gotta see it
@@joaquinflores2741 he says this in his RWBY video
thank you!
Unfortunately, most weebs will probably miss the point and racist weebs will use that very catgirl as a vessel for their racism or something
Pls nobody take this as an invitation to watch RWBY
This is why I don’t get involved in online fandoms anymore. You meet the worst people and some of the most garbage takes rise to the top. My advice to anyone is to enjoy the things you love without outside influence, and find friends in the real world that share your interests instead of random internet weirdos.
nah fr
exactly this.
"anymore"
There's nothing I hate more than the other people who like the same things as me.
@@the_inquisitive_inquisitor zero thoughts in that head of yours huh?
@@wetthepeasheck7025 IDK I'm not the one who takes everything I read online 100% literally.
I will never understand how people can hear people say "I don't like how young characters and characters in general are sexually harassed in anime and it's all played for laughs." and thinking "Me disagreeing with this won't make me look weird."
Ikr but tbh I’ve seen ppl trolling about this stuff more times but like still cmon 😐
Dragon Maid has this character Lucoa who basically harasses a small kid named, I am not kidding, Shouta. Real subtle, isn't it? The show would be infinitely better without their relationship dynamic. And don't even get me started on Kanna and Saikawa's twister game.
@@ninyaninjabrifsanovichthes45 yeah I was real creeped out by the scenes that’s why I stopped watching it, it got real weird
@@StayCalm_DoArt123 I just skipped those scenes and watched the rest of the show.
Its never funny…hell dragon ball realized that and made roshi straight up finally say “Its time to stop”
I feel like an old man now. The anime community has gotten so much bigger since I was a kid but I hate where it is.
Agree
Sometimes the anime community feels like a group of adults who grew up with anime but never reached the maturity of an adult and is still mentally 14.
The gaming comunity is in the same place, full of reactionaries and right wing pundits
@@jonathanbosak8581 right wing is awesome
Tbh the racism has kinda always been a thing that was there in nerd culture
Pretty much being a byproduct that uhhhhh…..
Racism kinda being imbedded in pretty much all culture-💀
The racist K-On fans problem is because the show was popular on 4Chan. People would make all kinds of memes about the show and eventually the /pol/ white supremacists were also making memes.
Somehow I feel that 4Chan in general has been one of those bad influences that has gradually been infecting the anime internet fandom. It breeds a huge block of racist bigots so that we cannot have nice things.
damn what a suprise and most of the fandom is just filled with regular people
@@handsomeboi3767 white supremacy is “regular people”?
@Um I- nigga I ain’t said shit about white supremacist being normal people since normal people aren’t white supremacist and stop generalizing groups of people just because a few idiots are outspoken that’s like saying black people are evil because we commit more crime or whatever
@@fraktaalimuoto even 2chan used to find 4chan weird
Honestly, seeing the amount of them talking about how Japan is "based" and most western entertainment is "woke" and "cringe" makes me think that they unironically are weebs
>"ugh can't westerners stfu"
>Lives in Ohio
@@akiishitster1742 💀
No cuz why do we as westerners always say "That's just the culture" whenever there is something toxic about that said culture. We as westerners don't have better moral understanding than anyone else. Japan,China,South Korean people are capable of the same "woke" thoughts.
@@tratonmcclain2004 and they think japanese or asians in general is some sort of monolith that can't process their own opinions too 💀 Almost like everyone will have diff beliefs of smthg regardless of their race and identities
@@tratonmcclain2004 The “that’s just the culture” argument has been used in many different contexts and in all of them it’s always not a good argument.
I can understand some arguments but others are just… really problematic
The way otakus make fun of western animation for portraying kid characters as not pedo-bait will forever be beyond me lmao
I know right? I once saw a weeb call western cartoons and games garbage for not sexualizing female characters, specifically children! Like what!? These are kids, and even if they weren't they're usually in shows and games ment for all ages, including real kids. How do these weirdos expect them to be portrayed?
As much as I dislike Big Mouth (I’m not a fan of the comedy, but whatever), the criticism it got from weebs showed me that some of the people hating it was cause they literally couldn’t jack off to fictional kids and that shit nearly made me vomit.
That why I stopped watching anime and moved on to other media. I got tired of the children and women being sexulized "trope". It's fucking disgusting and makes every anime unbearable to watch. Now I only watch psychological/detective/drama/mystery anime because they are the only mature ones
Chad Owl House for showing a queer relationship between teenagers that isnt sexualized.
@@ninyaninjabrifsanovichthes45 fr though it was actually really heartwarming for once
I’ve always wondered how there can be such a big disconnect between a fandom and the media it‘s based around. Like K-On is one the most innocuous, unobtrusive animes I can think of, yet an alarmingly large portion of its online fanbase is filled with white supremacists and neo-nazis.
It's because they legit believe the world would be like that if their ideals came to life
And touhou too, even though touhou’s a game but with an anime art style, there’s so much neo Nazis and weirdos in the fan base, it’s a miracle if I even find someone my age who likes it and isn’t a weirdo :(
Its pretty simple. Terminally online nerds who are socially awkward who have nothing in life latch onto a slice of life anime where the premise is about friends working together and getting along. Bonus points if theyre cute since they have a character they can show affection to. They watch something they want but cant have. SoL is a perfect genre for them since theres nothing complicated they cant wrap their tiny minds around.
@@crestren5996 It’s a shame because Iyashikei anime and manga are so good, but the fan bases are gross 😭
Only ones that don’t have an awful community that I’ve came across are Aria, Natsumes Book of Friends and Mushishi
That's so weird I didn't know that
Westren Anime fans do more for Japanese propaganda than Japan itself, like I literally got attacked for saying pedophila ain't right in mushoku tensei, they're wierd fr 😭
Seriously, these people will always defend it as a simple charcter flaw that disappears through character development. Um, no? It flipping isn't? He even marries all the girls in the end, literally how does he learn anything. It's so damn uncomfortable to watch to watch an adult in a child's body perve on literal children. There's some things one should't become desensitized to and this is it.
But did he become a better person in the end?
@@seekerjonatan so what? all that for fucking fan service and shit
Isn’t that the entire of Rudeus character? He starts out as a piece of shit but grows as the series progress?
@@JLacay Sure, but is that character growth really so good to make it worth enduring more than one season of pedophilic behavior? That of course depends on the person, but I'm not nearly desensitized enough to be able to stand that shit. The female characters in this work are severely mistreated by the men around them and this issue is never fixed as far as I heard.
God Bless the chads who replaced anime girl memes with Breaking Bad characters, literally funnier and less creepy af.
I replaced an anime meme with Inspector Zenigata once. Does that count?
@@ninyaninjabrifsanovichthes45 perfect
Kid named finger:
@@baratobenito "How did my parents summon me?"
"Pops is gonna get adopted"
"God Bless the chads who replaced anime girl memes with Breaking Bad characters, literally funnier and less creepy af." 🤓🤓🤓🤓🤓🤓🤓🤓🤓🤓🤓🤓🤓🤓🤓🤓🤓🤓🤓🤓🤓🤓🤓🤓🤓🤓🤓🤓🤓🤓🤓🤓🤓🤓🤓🤓🤓🤓🤓🤓🤓🤓🤓🤓🤓🤓🤓🤓🤓🤓🤓🤓🤓🤓🤓🤓🤓🤓🤓🤓🤓🤓🤓🤓🤓🤓🤓🤓🤓🤓🤓🤓🤓🤓
NO LIES WERE TOLD. i hate how cringe it is to meet another person that likes anime because there's a 9/10 chance they're gonna be fucking weird/racist/rapey. i mostly just keep to myself with it because any larger culture around it will always just be a disaster
Dude yeah holy shit it's so awkward when you express interest in anime and a weirdo degenerate starts acting up talking about their bizarre anime fetishes and shit. It's fucking insufferable
Can confirm frankly
I'm so glad to have met ppl that r chill and like anime cuz i CANNOT stand the weird shit that i come across online with some '"fans"
I thought I could bond with someone over magical girls... But they kept pointing out certain things about the characters in Tokyo Mew Mew
Hi weird anime fan here got news everyone is weird others are just more I am an anime fan and a $hit poster but that's it I don't post anything offensive to a certain group but it is odd that there is alot of racism in the community I have a feeling they are "memers" that have just discovered anime and actually enjoy it but because before they got into anime which they always thought was cringe they have to hide they're insecurities by posting edgy stuff to justify anime memes I dont believe all are that bad but I truly do believe some are crazy racist or pervs
I still remember Noralities making a video about the sexualisation of female characters in anime and the community bullied her until she took it down. It's so frustrating to be an anime fan sometimes.
She took it down?? Damn, these people are awful.
@@ninyaninjabrifsanovichthes45 Yeah, I saw many channels reacting to it in bad faith and when I went to re-watch it because I loved the video, it was gone. The anime community is an absolute snake pit.
I don't think the problem was that she was bullied.
I heard the anime community and others called her out for being a hypocrite once (though I'm not sure if that's true).
Her evidence is also not quite correct and her arguments are a bit of a stretch in my opinion.
That said, she doesn't deserve that harassment.
@@notationmusical Honestly, the hipocrisy critcim was very over-blown in my eyes. I don't really remember what it was even about, so I can't make any concrete arguments, unfortunately. Her arguments may not have been the best, but the points were still there and the anime community wouldn't have called her out so much if she hadn't hit a nerve.
@@b.h.4249
yeah, I do agree.
As a wise man once said
“You’re not based, you’re just fucking racist”
- max0r
@@ZuccAF A true based man
i just hate japanese people and westerners, so thus, i am based
Very wise very true
@@Romano7062 YOU LIBERALS MADE QUITE THE NON-BINARY FUSS! (Senator Armstrong)
It's honestly so infuriating how brain dead some people are to anime bullshit. I once said "hey Iruru has a bad design and here is several pieces of evidence she is meant to be seen as a teenager from the source material" and people go "UM ACTUALLY THE AGE OF CONSENT-" and I'm like dude. Why do you want to justify gross things so badly. Goddamn yikes.
Honestly even if you look past the "she's just a short stack w big breast" the overall design is still bad LMAO. No one's implying ppl w her look doesn't exist but it's not a super common occurrence either and is usually very unnatural cases
@@Santoryu90 I don’t care if a fictional character has big boobs. In fact, I love me some respectable anime titty! But if you put two watermelons on the chest of a character who looks like a child on every other account, that’s weird as hell.
@@akiishitster1742 Ilulu be like
Doesnt the manga confirm that shes the same age as tohru though?
@@dattos140 So, I have spent so long thinking about this to deconstruct every point anime dude bros throw at me. Tohru states that she and Iruru are the same age, yes. However later on, Iruru tells Taketo she's 16. There's a little whispered line that's like "in human years at least". There are several reasons why this doesn't make sense. If Tohru and Iruru ARE meant to be the same age, then she should be treated as an adult. However, Iruru is NOT treated as an adult. She is often seen hanging out with the other kids of the group, and acts like a second daughter to Kobayashi. Not only this, but she is eventually romantically paired up with Taketo, who is 16.
So there are a couple of options here. Either A) Tohru and Iruru are the same age and they are both adults, meaning that Iruru being paired with a teenager is super creepy. B) Iruru is actually younger than Tohru and is the dragon equivalent of a teenager, in which case it's creepy how she was designed with HUGE BOOBS and is constantly sexualized. C) They are both the same age and are, in human years, 16. Which would make the main relationship of the series retroactively super gross and creepy. Or D) which is the author didn't think about any of the implications/didn't care/he DOES care and just likes draws extremely creepy shit.
My money is on D.
"You care about lolis but not real victims"
This may shock you, but I can care about more than one thing at a time.
cannot believe the amount of times this comment needs to be said , it's wild .
I honestly dont get that logic. You can care about real victims, but also think lolis are gross.
Also if we are talking about catching 'real pedos' that in of itself is also a problem. Jaubrey made a video about EDP445, a content creator who is a pedo. Last year he got confronted by a group called "Pedo Catchers" and because of the video, everyone knew he was a pedo. However, the police have said it was made a little harder to charge him as the sting made the investigation more difficult.
Ofc you should report suspected or confirmed pedos to the police, but doing vigilante justice can make things worse. Leave the real stuff to the professionals and the best you can do is report it to the authorities.
I fr will never get this kind of response. Ppl can care abt both at the same time, ofc one's more srs since it involves real children. But that doesn't make the later any less weird and concerning
Why do you care about lolis at all?
@@thephantomthievesofhearts4388 why would I care about online degenerates bragging about their degeneracy and sickness in my face?
I relate to this. Being in high school and watching characters my age being sexualized didn't feel too weird, but being in my 20s and seeing it I feel VERY uncomfortable.
Pretty much the same experience for me.
Exactly, and I think a lot about how sexualization of teenagers, especially teenage girls, primed me to accept being treated like fresh meat to be consumed by older men. There are real life consequences for this shit, and when you see people your age sexualized and harassed and it played off as innocent or for laughs it numbs you to the real horror of it.
When I was a teenager I though Kill la Kill was good, and when I thought about it a couple years later it was like being plunged into ice water. And I’ve spent so much time thinking about and trying to remember, what else did I enjoy have that same shit? Almost every story has weird oversexualization of minors and it’s so disheartening
Same here. Though I was always disturbed by certain fans who made 18+ stuff of characters that happened to below 18, though I didn't know why but now I finally know that I was indeed actually the sane one and those super defensive rabid fans that are the ones who are messed up af.
Yeah, I agree and kindof think it’s scary. I was young and naive so most of the sexual stuff went over my head or was easy to dismiss because I didn’t have the lived experience to understand the true context of the sexual scenes being depicted. As I got older I understood the larger sub-context and found that some of my favorite shows were full of toxic representations of sexual relationships played for laughs.
Same for me, I used to watch alot more anime in my early teens than I do now that I'm 27 because the characters were at least more relatable for being around my age and even then I was uncomfortable with the fanservice at times (this was around 2011 so it was before the explosion in the amount of isekai anime but by then harem was common from what I remember), since then I'm extremely picky with what I choose to watch in part because I assume that I'm not part of the target audience for most series.
man that point about the black caricatures in anime really hits. like how can you practice and get reference for the most complicated 10 point perspective illustrations with dynamic colors/lighting but when it comes to different ethnicities they want to make excuses and not look up any type of ref 👀..... honestly this whole video has been my view on anime these past few years
I've always found the 'There's barely any black people in Japan' excuse to be lame as hell. So they can research about mythical creatures outside their own culture(Western dragons and elves and such), make whole animes about European figures or elements but they can't google a picture of a black person? Sure.
Also can't stand people defending stuff like Black characters with "fish lips" and other shitty depictions as "it's just MY/THEIR style!"
Then change it. Shit's gross.
YOU DON'T EVEN NEED A REFERENCE,if you can draw glossy lips for the fan service anime girls I'm pretty sure you can draw normal lips on black characters
@@tarotsushima3332 there's also barely any white people and there's still a fuckton of white characters in anime (eg: aot)
@@justvibingowo736 EXACTLY
*reads title*
*gets ready to agree with everything said*
Post watch update: I agreed
ME
@@mangareader8318 Same
💯👍
Yeah I agree but eh I like some of the problematic things in anime guess I'm part of the problem
Honestly I blame the rise of anti-sjw youtubers during 2016. Nothing has been the same since.
2016 was a cursed year
Hohoho - it goes back to Gamergate era from 2014-2015, actually.
The curse goes deep, sadly. :/
Well I myself have quite a few issues with anti-SJWs, they are nothing compared to SJWs who are just a boil on the butt of humanity. They don’t do anything but whine about non-existent problems, make people feel guilty for just being themselves, and try to turn any criticism about their beliefs or ideology into being fuelled by discrimination or bigotry. Like when people reasonably criticized Ilhan Omar for what she said about 9/11 or her hypocrisy on the Armenian genocide. People tried to turn it into an islamophobic attack as well as a racist one. Or digital blackface which was already a stupid idea to begin with, where SJWs were trying to convince us that somehow sharing a Gif of a black person was somehow connected to putting on blackface makeup. Or the entirety of the critical race theory doctrine. Like yeah there are definitely some toxic people in the anti-SJW circle, but that is overshadowed by SJWs themselves who just keep complaining about race and gender. Which is why a lot of people doesn’t take things like racism or sexism seriously anymore.
Anti-SJWS are attempting to spread their toxicity to the horror community after infecting it into the videogame, geek, and anime community.
@@astickofbutter4247 Oh yes it goes back to Gamergate when the right wing decide to insert their cultural war into video game community.
can we also talk about how homophobic the anime community is for *NO REASON*? it's like they just want to be hated just because they can be, it's genuinely unreal
Transphobic too
Tell me about it, like how they kept using her/she pronouns for Yamato (from One Piece). Even though, everyone in the story use he/him pronouns when they talking about Yamato. Even the f***ing villains use the right pronouns for Yamato. Even the main character of the manga give him a male nickname Yama-o (the ending mean man) and don't get me started with Okiku, I see so many awful videos about her
Nah cuz deadass. It never ceases to amaze me how much mfs be absolutely crapping they pants anytime someone dare says they headcanon a character as trans or non-heterosexual
@@Replica_Rabbit yeah its genuinely unreal, idk why people cant accept that yamato is considered trans lol, he's an absolute GOAT and im happy that oda is putting really good rep in OP
yeah and super transphobic. i was thinking about this yesterday along with the sexualization of characters that are minors. the same type of anime fans who say “it’s just a drawing” when lewding a character thats a minor are the same type to bully queer anime fans for making headcannons or even talking about cannon queer characters. they like to say “stop forcing your western ideals onto anime” like there aren’t lgbtq ppl in japan. it’s so odd seeing them get worked up over something that’s, as they say, “just a drawing”.
Ani twitter is also just garbage. I instantly get shivers when I find someone who fits the exact criteria of weird weeb you mentioned. It's honestly a problem, these people don't sit back and think "hey I got some weird ideals and borderline r*pey ones too! But it's ok it was in an anime I watched!!"
no its kinda bad on both sides since the people complaining can whine about uzaki chans height or something like that
@@handsomeboi3767 wait, so people whining about a fictional character is where you draw the line?
@@morgan0__o no what? what line are you talking about?
@@handsomeboi3767 racism and pedophilia are way worse than people whining about a character
@@handsomeboi3767 you said it was bad to complain about her height, assuming that it's a line you placed on what's ok and what isn't.
Hero Hei part got a laugh out of me. The thing about him and other anime fans is that they will constantly ignore basic information in order to justify and say the nastiest shit on the planet. They'll say this stuff has no impact on the real world and completely ignore the cases of real life people being negatively affected. "Loli porn and constant overdone fanservice doesn't affect real people," they say, while young girls and women in japan are constantly sexually assaulted to the point they need separate train cars from men. "Representation doesn't matter, it's fiction" they say as if people aren't bullied and discriminated for having anything darker than paper white skin and pale skin ain't the global beauty standard. The dude basically whitewashed me in a video to make fun of my twitter post and tried to paint me as some "white person speaking on the behalf of POC"... I'm black and my race was literally in my bio lol.
That one Twitter screenshot "the it's just a drawing crowd when you make a black edit of anime characters" describe the fanbase perfectly LMAO
i mean loli porn will definetly make some closet pedos but overdone fanservice doesn't actually affect the real world at all, its simply fanservice and the issues on japense trains is a complex issues with many variables and you saying overdone fanservice is the cause of it, is the equivalent of fox news complaining about violence in videogames. and I never heard him say anything bad about representation, all he did was make videos about artists claiming to "fix characters" by making them black and i'd have to assume you have done the same.
@@akiishitster1742 bruh nobody cares if you make an black edit but if your out here claiming to "fix" it then people are going to have a problem
@@handsomeboi3767 claiming it as "fixing the character" is def an issue ESPECIALLY if it's from another artist's work I can agree w that, what bugs me is that a huge chunk of ppl on anitwt think that was the intended purpose when most of the edits are just for fun or wanting them to feel a little represented. Genderbend fan edits have also been around for as long as we can remember but you don't see many ppl went crazy to call it "muh gender agenda 🤬" either
@@handsomeboi3767 It ruins it because it breaks the Emerson. I’m referring to fanservice not black people. The person responding to me didn’t pick up that.
I feel like alot of people who started watching anime as a kid realize as soon as they get older that alot of the mainstream shit is fucking creepy or downright just wrong
Hi Jen!!!
As a person who watched anime as a kid, yes. And it all started with me looking at harem anime and thinking "I don't think I like this anymore...?"
My sister is the one who nudged my opinion on it haha. I love anime, and sometimes I let a few things pass as I sweat profusely, but damnnnnnnn
FR like I remember loving black butler when I was younger & Now that I rewatch clips I realize how many weirda$$ scenes were in it . Almost the entire show has creepy sh!t in it. It really makes me wanna bash my head in
Yeah, I was 'okay' with it as a kid because I had no idea what was going on and just went with it. Now that Im an adult and know better and how things are drawn with intention, I get creeped out a lot.
I realized how weirdly normal is incest in most romance animes
Everything about this is a huge W + I care + you go outside + you get bitches + love you
waltuh
Yes! Exactly THIS is why I won't say I'm an anime fan! I've said to people (MEN) in my own personal life how angry and upset I get at how women are treated in anime AND THEN they literally turn around and think I'm the problem. Sheesh pls more takes like this. Great video
They should've like for any person utaking in the comment and disscussed about it, Like for me What counts as malicous or accidentaly destrotictve, as anyone can assume anything.
Did u forget about shoujo and Josi animes or what
Loser
@@frannava7175 Look at the most popular and mainstream animes out there. The majority are literally shounen and seinen, heck animes that I thought were specifically targeted at girls and women (like madoka magica, wonder egg priority, violet evergarden, k-on, land of the lustrous, toilet-bound hanako-kun, shadows house, etc) are either shounen/seinen or has no intended demographic.
@@SHEESHAW100 there still hundreds of anime for girls lol
I remember being really into anime and finding other anime fans within my old friend group. But a black woman who loves anime, I realized something. Not only are some anime fans racist af, but a good number of them are sexist and will not listen to you. I remember having to drop a link to show my old friend group that the Kill La Kill OVA existed and they still questioned me 😑 Also, if PASWG really is coming back, please don't draw us like that. If y'all want a good example of a black person in anime, Aran from Haikyuu. That is how you draw a black person in anime.
It's so crazy how the anime community is flooded with anti sjw. I mean its a minority but it's a huge loud minority. If that makes sense.
To be fair Garterbelt was most likely inspired by black dynamite , the whole series in general is a Japanese person's understanding of what western adult cartoon media is like, hell the series was inspired by Drawn Together and its English dub is superior because the Japanese can't emulate the raunchiness
@@xblade149 that's because the Anti SJWs grifters manipulate anime fans into thinking "the woke" will take over and ruin anime, which they wouldn't because capitalism is a very powerful thing
I just hope they don't portray Stocking as a teenager again, that's all I fucking want.
@@jay-wo7dd both panty and and stocking are like in there late teens early 20s
Anime fans will literally make their whole identity watching the most disgusting shit and will call you triggered and pressed for calling that shit out. Callin people snowflakes on the internet for sayin the sa scene in big boob Onee chan's great adventure made them uncomfortable. Its literally humiliating to watch. Second hand embarrassment all around.
"Big boob onee chan's great adventure" sounds like an anime that would cause a twitter uproar, with millions of anime-tubers making "salt videos". I just made myself sad
@@spacekitty8926 lol. 😂
but man, that is said. 😞
@@spacekitty8926 the WOKE liberals are trying to CANCEL big boob onee chan , what has cancel culture come to ?!
@@spacekitty8926 Nah, sounds like a parody of anime. Something like Nyan Neko Sugar Girls or Girl-Chan in Paradise.
@@AzafuseKingTora Omg yes.
the "you should worry about real life minors and not anime ones" argument come from people who don't do an ounce of research on the creators that often casually admit they're into minors in interviews like... what do you do for real life minors when you are actually defending the predators???
Yep like there was one mangaka who owned tons of CP and got arrested.
@@ninyaninjabrifsanovichthes45 𝕙𝕠𝕝𝕪 𝕗𝕦𝕔𝕜
@@ninyaninjabrifsanovichthes45 yes and if it's the same one we talking about, he also got let back into the manga industry with help of his other popular mangaka friend.. like he really didn't bat an eye to that
@@sapphic.flower Is it the one Noralities mentioned?
What creators?
This is why I never interact with online communities of anything I like. So many people that excuse terrible stuff so I just watch things that I like and keep it to myself or talk with friends only.
Honestly.
This the way to go. Online communities breed the worst of humamity.
same
Genuinely, fan service breaks my emersion.
Oh me too, I really liked the powers, action, and theming of fire-force but I couldn’t get through it because of the fan service intruding every 20 seconds
When they add fan service during an emotional sad scene or during a relaxing scene. Bro ppl be having addictions adding it every 1 minute 💀
It gets stupider when you think about it in mediums outside of anime. Batman fighting Harley Quinn but uh oh, shes suddenly naked! Kimiko fighting the Russian thugs in the Boys? WHOOPS, they ACCIDENTALLY groped her! Thats so whacky! See, its so stupid.
When I watch an action fight, the last thing I want to see is someones panties, I just want full on fight with action scenes. It adds nothing but wank material. If the creators want to draw "sexy" time, just make a beach episode that doesnt interrupt any serious momentums. Or just draw porn.
Same.
@@zhebais i dropped fire force cause of the fanservice
Lets not forget the existence of Trans characters in anime, are applied subtly so their gender wouldn't be a big deal, and then the community makes a big deal about it either denying it or just misgendering instead of accepting what that characters say they as it happened with Lily in ZLS or Kiku in One piece
sometime it is applied so subtly that it flies over their heads
@@user-cj4fu8qq9b i dunno, LIly from ZLS was written nearly as explicitly trans as one could make it short of putting the words "i'm transgender" into the script and people still didn't get it
though then again some of that was transphobia brain rot at play, but still
And then there are overtly transgender characters in anime from like 1983 that deal in topics such as gender dysphoria and transphobia. Such as Stop! Hibari-Kun!! She's pretty much one of the OG trans anime characters.
@@vivaciousarcanist3389 lily was so hilariously obvious that she literally initially died because she realized that she was about to start puberty; like why do you think a 12 year old who constantly wears dresses might be terrified of growing facial hair
or alluka from hxh (i love alluka but some fans are just assholes)
The common argument for why anime is always taking place in highschool is that "it's the point where you have the most freedom in Japan" which makes sense, but the trade off is that you can't draw your characters in "lewd" situations. I've read plenty of manga that takes place in college or in the workforce and they all slap.
It's ironic how they say that when animes like Aggretsuko are honestly more entertaining to watch even if you aren't in the corporate grind yet. I can allow the high school settings for premises that deal with self discovery and such like Blue Period but otherwise it feels like it's only in a high school just because.
drawing teenagers in lewd sitatuons really isnt that bad since its not like its 12 year olds
@@handsomeboi3767 teenagers are still children tho… if you’re trying to justify this in any way you’re a ped0 dude
@@handsomeboi3767 but it's still weird and red-flaggy that adults are sexualizing teens, even if they're fake ones
Wouldnt exactly say its the "freedom" part but more or less demographic. Usually the target audience would be kids to teenagers so a school setting would make them feel relatable. But yeah, the lewds stuff on top is just weird but can also be seen as pandering to boys and adult men so they can spend their money on that.
I like to think that the fanservice jokes in anime are like the Japanese equivelent to fart and poop jokes in American animation.
I never thought about it that way
Damn, that actually makes A LOT of sense.
except fart and poop jokes don't tend to involve sexual harrassment/assault 😬
pretty much but like the saying goes too much is a bad thing
@@megsley They said they're the equivalent to fart jokes.
People don't think you're a creep because you like anime, they think you're a creep because you wear being a creep on your sleeve
"You're talking about fake kids, not real victims" I talk and care about both. These people are clearly just using that line as a defense for what they know to be wrong. Not just willful ignorance, it's an direct rejection of reality.
They act like that media exists in a vacuum, but it definitely does not. That media is often viewed by (and helps to create, according to a study) pedos. Not to mention that material can be used to groom minors. Additionally, the art can be based on real kids, ones that the artist doesn't know, or does know in real life. Just because their actions don't directly contribute to abuse doesn't mean they don't harm people.
i mean there is some valid truth to the argument but jerking it to loli is pretty pedophilly
They’re acting like treating the fake kids like they do won’t normalize abuse to the victims and encourage the abusers to keep at it
THANK YOU!
Its basic knowledge in art and writting that you must get real life inspirations but they choose to ignore that and pull out the fiction dosent affect reality
When you started to talk about the anime fans who defend pedos ikd why Hero Hei come to mind. His fandom hates POC and other marginalized groups of people. That side of the community sucks to be around.
hold on im black myself but i had never seen any racism in the comments or any transphobia either
@@handsomeboi3767 I was saying in the Hero Hei community there are transphobic ideas that harm people. And his fans are typically racist too.
@@handsomeboi3767 Yeah, I don't see racism in his comments or videos either. But he does give me bias reporter vibes after denying to report about the Nagatorro english VA faced racism, simply because people were annoyed that he didn't report on it. Not saying he has to but with that and watching his content, you could tell that he's a "dunk on the sjw" mainly because that's what's hot. I kind of prefer Rev.
@@handsomeboi3767 He's part of the anti SJW, cringe compilation continuum. He and his fans parade an air of enlightened centrism that in reality delights in making fun of women, the queer community, POC, and the whole spectrum.
@@thegenkan8475 your right about the fact that he’s define anti sjw but he isn’t attacking the people you stated because their minorities, really all he does make fun of objectively stupid people because of their being sjws but he tries to paint all leftists as said sjws which is of course cringe.
And why are you using poc and other marginalized groups to further your argument when we really aren’t part of the subject?
As someone who was around the anime community for a long time it's so fucking weird to me how it's grown bigger and more inclusive yet at the same time has become more reactionary and and even more ignorant of the problematic parts of it
dude the anime community isnt inclusive, reactionary, or ignoratant it just has outspoken people who has those views their literally a vocal minority
@@handsomeboi3767 this is the most hilarious comment in this section so far
@kay kay bruh please go outside if you really think that the ENTIRE anime community is racist or whatever you spent too much time on the internet
@@handsomeboi3767 When did i say I did? Someone is offended 🤭
@kay kay well the thing is that I despise people generalizing groups of people like they did to black people my people or any other group of people and the fact that your out here spreading your ignorance is cringe
Jokes aside tho ye anime can breed weird ideals into people lol. This is why you be picky with the media you consume. Watch the dark stuff instead of people groping highschoolers all day.
And by this I mean watch something that actually makes you uncomfortable but actually talks about dark stuff. Idk like happy sugar life? And no it's not an anime or manga made for shock value
From what Ive seen, terminally online nerds who are socially awkward with little to no irl friends.
@@crestren5996 Terminally online is best new age term because it describes so many weirdos. They never go outside LOL
@@revolutionarymagic3459 The best part is that you'll least likely meet them irl. The worst part is that you are most likely to see them in online spaces.
Clone Wars taught me that false surrender is a-okay.
another reason the "you care more about fictional minors than fictional ones!" argument is stupid as hell is... fictional children being sexualized is disturbingly normal and rampant on the internet? Everyone who has spent any amount of time online, EVEN JUST USING THE INTERNET NORMALLY, has VERY LIKELY ran into cp of a fictional minor, but I doubt most people have randomly stumbled into cp of REAL children.
People are so loud about fictional cp because it's EVERYWHERE, NOT because it's MORE IMPORTANT than real cp. Anyone in their right mind WOULD HATE TO SEE BOTH, and be WAY MORE DISTURBED by real cp, but you're not likely gonna just stumble into cp of a real minor while scrolling through twitter.
I had an argument with a person like that before, told me that lolicon anime "turns out in less crime rate" againts children... actually lost brain cells from that point
i really don’t know how the same people who would naruto run, sit in chairs like L and crack their knuckles like kaneki believe that people who like to sexualize fictional children aren’t pedos
@@youwontrememberme i wonder what their source behind that claim is🤔🤔🤔🤔🤔🤔🤔
@@bynaur7003 as far as I can tell it's form one German study where they legalized real cp for only one year. This study is pretty weird as it only seems to be concerned with how this impacts the ped0s and not minors or society as a whole. not only that but one study isn't enough to say something is conclusive.
I am fixated on Tumblr (yes, that hellsite) and, even after the mass pornography ban i've unfortunately ended up seeing horrid shit like that AND people defending CP and people who create, enjoy and consider themselvs CP likers/lovers
hero hei fanboys about to get real mad about this 💀 great vid btw
just watch, hero hei’s gonna see this and make a vid and his little toxic minions are gonna flood the comments with slurs lol
@@hell0daisy193 his narcissism and victim complex have imploded into a black hole at this point. The fact that VJ has more subs than him, and would not quit as easily when his wave of harassment comes in it'd probably make hei's head explode. Possibly go full Karen on Joe too like he did with Parallax.
Jesus you people are scared of him, it's pathetic and funny at the same time 💀
And every time a comment like this is posted, a wee little baby has to say something like "his fans! OoOoOo noooOo" cry some more 😂😂
Grrrr I am a hero hei st-fan you little (insert every slur imaginable)
I feel like most of the hate he receives is just hyperbole. I just watch him for the news ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
“It’s just a drawing.”
A drawing of what? 🤨
The "it's just a drawing" crowd when you make a character Black
The "its a drawing" crowd will cry the moment you make a character non-sexy or black.
@@crestren5996 Right!
"It's just a drawing" mfs when I draw myself kicking their face in(suddenly authorial intent matters to them now)
Of a fictional character.
Remember having a friend on discord that I was pretty close to. He turned out to be really creepy and had a weird obsession with loli/shotacon and being racist/anti-semitic calling himself a facist and got mad when I said he literally was a nazi. Bro literally said who needed therapy when you had anime. I'm no longer friends with him and have been honestly pretty happy since
>Loli/Shotacon
>Nazi
Why is this not surprising?
@@ninyaninjabrifsanovichthes45 thank 4chan
To add an explanation on why most anime are set in high school and correct me if I'm wrong: Japan's workplace culture is so much of a capitalistic hellhole that Japanese people view highschool as the best time of their life to the point where anime set in highschool are probably their way of escaping their hellhole reality
That's honestly tragic.
Its sadly true. Even Ghibli movies (which AniTwitter decided to hate BTW) feature mostly kid and teen protagonists, albeit with a focus on coming-of-age or self-discovery themes, but yes, the overall sentiment of Japan is that youth is the best time in their lives, or their most adveturous.
@@Falxifer95 wait Anitwitter hates Ghibli movies?!
im pretty sure that's correct, which makes me shocked everytime someone says they want to move to japan. that's the one thing that makes me never want to move there. work is bad enough in NA, why would you want to go someplace where it's worse
Can't wait to use clips of this on twitter, saves so much time arguing.
And you'll be refuted by someone who actually knows what they're talking about, every time.
@@tyleryagi5783
Someone who actally knows what they’re talking about? You mean someone who gets off on kids? Oh, sorry, did that hit too close to home?
I can already see the mass of deflection and regurgitated anti-sjw rhetoric from in response. The older I get the that anime shit I can't take anymore, and I become more selective with what I watch each season because I hate the loli bait the fucking casual sexual assault and casual racism. Just because it makes people uncomfortable to talk about doesnt mean it shouldn't be said, this medium can and has produced some legendary shit but it can always be improved both in the community and the actual content.
Spy X Family and Hinamatsuri are good picks tbh
what do you mean by casual racism? but you are right about the loli bait and the anti-sjw rhetoric does have some good points but if their just saying the opposite of what are saying sjws then its pretty retarded
@@lolzu Lupin the Third too
Yeah it happens with age. Around my late teens and my early 20s I became selective with certain anime and manga.
@@ninyaninjabrifsanovichthes45 oh watch Carol and Tuesday, Sonny Boys, Stop Hibari kun, Ranking of Kings and Great Pretender
i quite literally had 30+ man in my twt mention trying to explain to me why it’s okay to lewd anya as long as she is aged up 😭😭😭 and every time i tried telling him that is clearly very WEIRD all he would try to tell me i’m the weird one for thinking that
_No one cares if you think it's weird._
@@SaintCharlos then why did you reply?
@@SHEESHAW100 To tell you that no one cares, going to great lengths to show you how much he doesn't care.
I'm all here for the hero hei slander
Same
Hero hei is so fucking annoying
No lifers
@@toongamer2810
hero hei isn’t going to fuck you. you can chill
@@toongamer2810 hero hei slander is love hero hei slander is life
This is a big part of why I don’t really engage with online fandoms for anything anymore. They have a way of sucking the joy out of things I love. It sucks that these creepy losers basically get to dictate what it means to be an anime fan
This is a truth I'm needing to reconcile with more and more as the years go by
yepp fandoms all get toxic insanely quickly these days
yeah I stopped interacting with fandoms when I was apart of the Steven Universe and Brony fandom
@@redstarbayyt3528 Considering how "difficult" (for a mildly polite way of putting) they were know to be, even if you weren't anywhere near them (like myself, who wasn't part of that wave of My Little Pony), I can empathize with having to have made that choice. Their poor reputation preceded them by leagues, same as many other infamously toxic fandoms/fandomspaces..
@@LanerGuy well to be honest I haven't seen no toxicity in the Brony fandom but I did seen a lot of toxicity in the Steven Universe fandom with the whole whitewashing Connie situation and a lot of Steven Universe fan telling artist to commit suicide I understand what you're saying but Steven Universe was like the first-ever fandom I ever i was in Steven Universe fandom left a bad taste in my mouth making me think that all fandom are bad but not all fandoms are bad it's just sometimes you accidentally go to the dark side of these fandoms
(sorry if this is too long for you I sometimes don't know how to write a paragraph good)
There's literally a fucking trans slur that comes from anime, anime fans INVENTED A SLUR that is USED BY THE MASS PUBLIC.
Thanks I hate it.
Sincerely, a trans woman.
I remember the kavernacle doing a really good video on why anime fans are so racist (wrong ist I know but overall it was a really informative vid)
Most argue that it's okay because they just use it for femboys (which is fucked up in on itself because it frames femboys as men trying to deceive others into fucking them not dudes that want to look feminine) while completely disregarding how others use it
Btw contrapoints has a great video on it
What is the slur traps? Sorry I’m not trying to be rude just confused
I essentially dropped anime entirely cause at some point it's just frustrating and sad how inescapable the sexual-assault-played-for-laughts or sexualization-of-minors is. I only watch the stuff my little sister says is safe now because this shit makes me depressed man...
I just watch anime exclusively from the 1970s and 80s, and even then, there's still weird stuff. But somehow, I feel like it's gotten worse now than it was back then.
Yeah I’m actively trying to avoid the shit that’s got weird stuff in it. Thankfully most of my anime that I love doesn’t have any or at least MUCH of that stuff.
I would recommend trying to get into more manga, a lot of the more mature and aged up stories you can find way more of there, since they don’t get adapted a lot of the time :(
@@ninyaninjabrifsanovichthes45 true, feels like after the 90s fanservice got more common
oh i’m the same, it makes me sad that i don’t watch anime much aside from a few shows i already like/know are fine, but i can’t bring myself to keep up with it. there’s too much weird shit lol
@@ninyaninjabrifsanovichthes45 yeah, my favourite manga is devilman (the original 1972 one) and there’s a… lot of problems with the series as a whole, but the original manga isn’t _awful_ & it’s nudity isn’t… really portrayed as sexual.
it doesn’t feel as gross for me to read than a lot of things released now do, even if it does have blatant nudity in it. i dunno. unfortunately people will keep buying into anime with gross stuff, and studios will keep making it.
I never saw Sakimichan drawing of Anya and I add a better life before that. It's so fucked up.
Also, Anya is 4 (which make it even worse).
what they drew her as an adult?
@@handsomeboi3767 for no reason other than l3wding her. Like, wtf yor exists
@@handsomeboi3767 That they saw Anya, a child and then thought of drawing sexualized art of her. Yeah they aged her up but why would they even think of that when looking at a kid?
I want to say THANK YOU FOR THIS!!! I too have realized some of the problematic topics you've discussed as I've gotten older that I wasn't too aware of when I was younger; especially the extreme level of "fanservice", sexual harassment of male characters, sexual exploitation of females characters, and it seeming EVERY anime takes place in HIGH SCHOOL. Please don't misunderstand, I enjoy watching anime, I have since middle school, but I often times find myself struggling to find things that I can watch (both for maturity purposes and are nonproblematic). I DARE NOT say I'm knowledgeable on the matters I speak, because I'm not, rather I'm just another individual who just realized I wasn't the only who has a similar experience when it comes to the subjects discussed in this video.
The girl from Spy X Family is likely YOUNGER THAN SIX!?! She's most likely 4! AND THAT'S EVEN WORSE!!! SAKIMICHAN WHAT THE EVER LOVING FUCK!?!
Bro I thought it was Reiju from One Piece for a second
_Cry more!_
AND THAT'S EVEN WORSE!!! ? How the hell ??? She is not even to sexualized she is literally a freaking child!
@@SaintCharlos accurate name
Sakimichan been trash for a long time
Today's weirdo anime nerds wouldn't survive the early 00's where most of the fansite webmasters, translators and general just most visible and proactive members of the "fandom" were girls. I don't think there were MORE non-men but they were more proactive and passionate, there was way less stigma about anime being a boy's club. No it wasn't a haven, people were very openly homophobic and it was normalized, and in most forums bigotry was tolerated at best, but man do I miss when there were less anime per season and there wasn't such a divide between demographics.
I'm kinda surprised to learn that there were more visible female weebs back then compared to now. Actually, come to think of it, Webtoons seem to be pretty even in terms of readership. Manga's a bit better about female fans, but anime in particular is still weird about it.
My mother loves to collect 80's shojo mangas ever since she was a teenager. She even once told me that from all the friends she has, the one that are obsessed with japanese culture back then were mostly girls compare to boys. All she knows that the boys are more likely drawn towards western superhero comics compare to the Japanese one.
to me it's weird how the fact that there's tons of female weebs is surprising to some men. despite all the extreme flaws everywhere, there's alot more eastern media with fully fleshed out female characters than western ones. the west has been getting alot better about that since the early 2010s, but before it was extremely rare to have good female characters in comparison to japanese media which has plenty. of course women are gonna love that, it's a medium that gives them tons of representation??
Sooo glad that you made this vid- honestly sometimes I get a bit worried that I’m the only one who disagrees w/ this kinda shit (even though I know I’m not) BUT FOR REAL WHY ARE THERE SO MANY OF THESE TYPES OF PEOPLE 😭
FR FR also love your pfp
@@yesyes5185 Ty! Narancia, woo!!! Your profile pic is pretty cool too 😂
WE NEED AN ANSWER
@@doornumb IT IS DESERVED
@@yotsuba6352 GET ME A MATHEMATICIAN TO SOLVE THE EQUATION OF THE MIND OF THESE BRAINFUCKS
Verdis might be spiteful when he makes videos complaining but he is my go to passionate honest fun yet angry bro that speaks his mind in the best way possible about things that I actually care about [toxic communities, horrible behaviors in people, terminally online lunatics]. Verdis being clowned on my timeline is a good way to purge my friends list of people with no care of issues like this, and I just love tuning to these. Keep at them Verdis, just hope you don't don't get banned by people around twitter.
I don't fully agree with him on some more grey topics, but his casual videos are so relaxing and wholesome. On his more serious ones I know for certain he'll be fucking right
well the thing is that the anime community is too large to be seen as toxic but like any community has toxic elements or people
That’s the problem I have with his videos that let his thoughts and emotions do the talking then actually thinking about it and doing actual research on the subject.
@@JLacay Yeah, I've noticed he's misinformed in places regarding the medium itself (like not considering societal context, being inconsistent with the "numbers vs appearance" schtick regarding anime character attraction, or just forgetting that it's not that hard to just find a different series if you want to drop the one you're currently watching) and the vid feels somewhat pick-me in nature. I can definitely agree with the bits regarding bigotry in communities because that's definitely still an issue.
Anitwitter is unbearable. I want to enjoy anime with being associated with a bunch of bigots.
Same.
the thing is that it really isnt, the anime community is really too large to pin labels like toxic or bigot but it definitely has bigoted people its just that their a VOCAL minority
@@handsomeboi3767 How many times are you going to copy-paste this reply my dude?
@@NerdMiGerd nigga i dont care
Where are these guys? I've only seen shonen fan monkey knife fights on anitwitter
"You care about lolis but not real victims"
My dude, you do realize that creeps who draw loli hentai doujins base their models/ anatomy on ACTUAL CP, right? Maybe not all, but certainly enough for it to be a huge effing yikes. It is no stretch to establish a correlation between sexualization of loli characters and the dissimination of CP. And, therefore, if you stop one you minimize the effects of the other
A mangaka was arrested for owning CP. I can't remember his name but Noralities talked about it.
@@ninyaninjabrifsanovichthes45 Yup, the name escapes right now, but it was Rurounin Kenshin's creator. Supposedly, he had so much of it the cops thought he had intention to sell it.
Where’s your proof?
@@ninyaninjabrifsanovichthes45 i know youre talking about Rurouni Kenshin but man, I wonder how many more have CP.
Just last year Galko-chan's creator was arrested for it and the year before the Act Age author was arrested for sexually assaulting a teenager.
@@thephantomthievesofhearts4388 you could just google that shit, instead of asking for sources you're gonna dismiss and not check anyway on a youtube comment section, my guy.
Whenever you post, I’m hyped!
Another thing bad about the anime community is the fact that it feels like people only watch Shonen and talk about it. While just talking down on people who watch and enjoy other types of anime. Like there are other good genres like Slice of Life, Romance, Science Fiction, and Sports. But it seems like if you consume or like these genres. You are seen as not a real fan or seen as someone with bad taste.
It's frustrating to see because people that think anime should only be about dudes fighting each other or dudes obtaining cool powers and then use them to defeat the big bad. Make anime as a whole look bad. It's basically saying that anime should only follow these formulas and that to be successful. It needs to use these tropes and cliches. Shonen is good but my god. Please watch another fucking genre and please try to watch media outside the same template.
Unfortunately I am guilty of this mindset, I've seen other genres of anime that's blown me away. After all, the Shonen genre is getting vary generic and cliche.
This. When all you can think about when seeing a character is thinking if they're strong enough to beat another one, regardless of the show or genre, it's time to broaden your interests. Basically this is a plea for Goku stans to watch a different fucking show. Also the hate on shojou just because it focuses more on building romance and character interactions and it's 'made for girls' is just as prevalent. Frankly I prefer the seinen and psychological animes because I'd rather watch a show that gives me something to think about.
Yep. Grimgar is one of my favorite modern isekai, but it gets poo-pood to hell and back for being more slice of life than action.
Where is this attitude? I see more dudes get clowned for only watching shonen than the other way around
@@samt3412 That happens too honestly. There’s all forms of elitism/gatekeeping in the anime community from what I’ve seen.
also can we talk more about the the fact that a bunch of manga/anime creators have been arrested for possession of actual CP?!
weird how the weebs stay silent on that one 🤔
Awfully convenient isn't it? They never talk about it.
Don’t be shy, drop the names
@@zkkitty2436I can think of two examples of child porn possession. Nobuhiro Watsuki creator of of Rurouni Kenshin and Kenya Suzuki creator of Galko-chan. Also, the creator or One Piece got some backlash for defending and continuing to associate with Watsuki. He also defended the creator of Toriko when he got in trouble for violating child prostitution laws.
And one of the creators of Act Age sexually harrassed teenage girls.
Oh, since you guys wanna create strawman arguments, let's talk about it. So, who wants to start?
Edit: Still waiting, someone gotta reply in order for this argument to be nothing but a strawman created out of spite and no real fact
Maybe because there are thousands of authors and the handful that have been arrested in recent years aren't even the ones creating particularly ecchi series, so not much evidence to tie the two together? Maybe most fans only follow series releases and not other news surrounding the creators?
It's not the gotcha you think it is.
I just want to call out 11:21 like, really? Aryan anime fan? Do they know genocide against asians was also on the nazi plan?
"B-buh-but Japan wuz HoNoRaRy ArYaNz"
So were Ukrainians. You think Hitler was just gonna let them live once the Russians were dealt with? These weeb mfs are so politically illiterate.
This is an amazing example of liking imperfect things. Critical consumption of media like this (in my experience on my corner of the interblag) is rare.
Whenever anyone tries to apply any form of criticism to anime, they get told, like Joey was told en masse by hundreds of people after this video, to just not watch anime. As if you can't be critical of the media you consume.
@@morgan0__o it's extremely bothersome
@@morgan0__o It is hypocritical because from what Ive seen, they are more willing to be argumentative and critical towards western animation compared to anime.
@@crestren5996 exactly. they get mad when people are critical of the anime they consume, but when it comes to other animation, genres they don't consume, they can suddenly criticize it how they please.
@@morgan0__o And honestly a lot of the shit makes me inclined to follow their advice. Like it gets overwhelming at times. I have to skip certain parts of Dragon Maid because of that grooming dynamic between Lucoa and Shouta.
this reminds me of one time i decided to talk about how it's weird to make billionaires into moe anime girls and someone anime fan said that i was gay as if it made my point invalid
Because to them it does.
Weebs can't counter
Ngl that kinda sounds really funny
Homosexuality is when anti-moe millionaries
"Nice argument. However, consider the fact that you're gay."
Babe wake up veridis Joe posted
Back when I was younger getting into anime, I had pre-conceived notions that it was weird and had gross tentacle stuff in it. Then afterwards I realised no actually, it's just a small minority of weird shows that are like that.
Now fast-forward a few more years and I'm beginning to believe I was right the first time.
Same. It felt like the only 'safe' anime for me to watch (As a dysphoric trans woman who didn't know it yet so I just thought that sex was evil) was Dragon Ball Z. I've since watched some other anime but yeah looking for new anime is like a landmine. You'll either find some peak fiction like Lupin the Third or some generic trashy ecchi romcom like "Is it wrong to piss on my little sister's feet" or some shit.
I try as much as possible to distance myself from the so called "anime community" which is pretty easy to do because trans women like me get called the infamous "t-slur" all the time by hardcore reactionary weebs who worship Japan because "it doesn't have politics." Sure is a welcoming environment, isn't it? And a lot of anime itself has problematic content, like sexual assault being played for laughs. I don't even admit to liking anime in public because I don't want to be associated with weirdos who think panty shots are some deep meta commentary about society. Like I just wanna watch buff dudes punch each other and turn blond, or a beleaguered office lady start a lesbian relationship with a dragon, or a funny monkey man steal shit with his wacky gang while being chased by a cop with insane blood pressure. I don't need sex jokes every 5 seconds. I wish anime just didn't do that shit.
Lupin the Third still slaps though and anyone who enjoys it has exquisite taste.
EDIT: Here's a based Pedantic Romantic video about the aforementioned T slur th-cam.com/video/nxeB2AXIG3E/w-d-xo.html
I think the the only good aspect of it is that it's really easy to tell who is who when it comes to the issue because they are usually very vocal about it
@@airplanes_aren.t_real Yeah, it's like the bright colors on poisonous frogs. Tells others to stay away.
@@ninyaninjabrifsanovichthes45 great metaphor, that's what I hate about lowkey bigotry, they are never upfront about it so you have to read in between the lines of everything they say to see it
See, this one just does my head in. Sorry, for the upcoming wall of "mucho texto", but I hope you'll indulge me.
I have an... acquaintance, let's call her, who used to be one of my best friends. We've since drifted but remained civil. Relationship stuff, exes and whatnot, not relevant. However, one of the reasons why I've become increasingly more distant from her is that EVEN THO she is a trans woman herself, she uses the "anime t-slur" to describe herself and other trans women - living or fictional - and she defends it's use, dismissing how it's a slur. In addition to that -and she was already a bit like this before she transitioned -, she developed increasingly worrisome "tastes"; got into loli shit, was way too vocal about it, she got even more "edgy", started getting into anti-sjw/woke stuff, loves Ricky Gervais, and don't even get me started about race...
I know trans people go through a second puberty when they transition due to the hormones, but this behaviour of hers is very much not OK. The one thing that sorta helps is that we live in different countries now. I think she has a lot, like, just A LOT, of internalised misogyny, but that can't be all it is. I also think that years of unchecked conditioning in the anime community did it's damage. Not to get all "mourning who she used to be", but can't say I like the person she has become. Again, sorry for all this. Not even sure what the point of this was, now that I reread it...
average loli/pedo racist anime fan vs average Lupin III enjoyer
(tbf though the funni monke thief man can be a little... problematic towards women. We also don't talk about the Lupin movie about the trans nazi ,yes that unfortunately exists)
It's just like Miyazaki said back in the day: "a large problem with anime is that the community of creators has become too insular and no longer draw from any outside sources".
A lot of the best stuff is either by super old dudes or and oftentimes they're the same people people who learn from their own life experiences you have people like Miyazaki and people like Kentaro Miura who not only are old (they started in like the 80s or earlier) but they really take a lot from their own life experience or arts and history.
Miyazaki loved looking at engineering and he took his experiences of World War II as a child and all this sort of stuff and worked it into his stories.
Now people just use the tropes of anime and put them back into the newthey make and it's like the doomsday quirk theory from My Hero Academia; the tropes just keep piling on top of each other and getting stronger and weirder and more insular.
And the problem is that even if the artists are building on their own life experiences a lot of these people grew up watching anime so even if they aren't purposefully doing tropes and other stuff like that they already know what anime is and what it's "supposed to be".
There is almost no way for them to completely pull from outside of coded language of anime, as anime is part of their own life story and at that point it is very hard to completely detach the stories of the genre from the story of your life.
Still modern American animation.
There are times where I want to throw the anime community, especially ani-Twitter, into the sun. Thankfully, not all of the community is like that but, much like with comics and 40k, the anime community has a loud minority of very resentful nerds who can’t deal with people different from them getting into this hobby.
I literally had to drop Dress Up Darling because me, a teenage girl, was too physically uncomfortable watching ep 2 to continue, which I don't think has ever happened to me before with anime. It sucks cause I genuinely thought the story was really interesting and like if they were college students it wouldn't have been as bad, but they're not and everyone's "best waifu of the season" is 16 with a panty shot at the end of the first episode. It's also concerning how the most popular show of last season was an ecchi about two high schoolers with an episode about a minor being measured in her underwear for 20 minutes and I barely saw anyone talk about how weird that was. I understand that Marin is very comfortable with herself and her body and that's not the problem at all because many teenage girls are;in fact I like the heroine having those traits along with being a female otaku as it's somehow very rare in the medium. The problem is that she's underage and the camera is framing her as if she's not
Also regarding the racism (as I am also black) I will never get over how cool it is that Hawks and Mirko from MHA, two of the most popular heroes in the show, are voiced by black people, despite the incredibly stupid "Mirko doesn't sound black" discourse from a few years ago. I also love the Love Live franchise, so seeing a black girl be announced to play one of the girls in Nijigasaki was great, until the "Aryan Brotherhood" got angry at POC existing for like the 700th time. Like we watch anime too, and whether you like it or not nothing's gonna change that. There's this amazing thing that came from a situation like this where someone unironically called black people "Nightskins", which was then claimed by us cause of how sick that name is and now it's gotten so big there's even lore behind it on TikTok. It's really something beautiful made out of a horrible situation, check it out if you have the time
In Love Live's case it's a bummer that their international students are all fair skinned. Mia, Eli, Mari, Emma, all of the Liella members (Whose VAs are actually those nationalities as well) etc. If it's an argument of population, Brazilian-Japanese people are extremely common (and I can only think of one Brazilian anime character off the top of my head) and LL has an Indian idol with darker skin in the mobile game. (Emma beat her out in popularity). Just seeing how fans reacted to Karin's voice it's sad to think of how unwelcoming fans would be of a darker idol.
I recommend Mitchiko and Hatchin.
It has many characters of different racial backgrounds and has a pretty good dub.
same bro the anime looked super cute but they always sexualise her so i had to drop it
You didn’t miss much by dropping My Dress Up Darling, it’s pretty overrated.
@@notationmusical it’s good but it’s basically a token anime at this point. 2008 is a while ago
What’s crazy is that they be racist on behave on other cultures and the crazy part is that they don’t even mess with them like how can you be racist and anti lgbtq for a side who barley know your existence and to top it all off they don’t like them cause it make them look back
Ngl the weird stuff takes you out of it so much. I was watching Ranking of Kings and how they did Boji and portrayed his disability and Trauma was really great, but then the final few episodes roll around and it's revealed that an important part of the worldbuilding is essentially "this nation was full of good people doing good things, but then they trusted the bad nation that's full of bad people and got betrayed." which is just the laziest writing. And then they essentially had Child marriage in the Finale because it's funny. Really hope this doesn't stick into the next Season.
The worst part about the bad nation and good nation story is that there's some debate over whether or not the author of the manga was using this as an excuse to justify Japanese imperialism and the subjugation of Korean people. Theres some similarities.
5:23 That's mostly a demographic decision to make your manga sell more, the majority of people that buy manga in Japan are kids and teenagers so a story that takes place in highschool or in which its protagonists are young is much more relatable.
In the other hand is believed that the majority of japanese people hate growing up, because in Japan when you become an adult your live basically becomes your job, you don't work to live, you live to work, that's why a lot mangakas and manga readers have an extreme trauma and seriously had the happiest years of his life in highschool and uses manga and anime as an escapism.
The first ever youtuber I blocked was Hero Hei because even an annoying 15 year old I recognized how mindless his content was. With all the smug anime girl images in response to something as simple as Fanart of an anime character being drawn in a different style being labeled as “sjws ‘’fixing’’ anime”, I knew I had to get outta there quickly.
as soon as someone uses the term sjws i'm already gone. i know exactly how they are and how they talk about things.
@@lolzu Same. Instant red flag.
no if i seen him say that i would have left immediately since im black but he only made videos about people who are literally claiming to "fix" characters by changing their skintone but he does paint a broad brush which is cringe
@@lolzu no it really depends on context if their saying "omg black people in movie is sjw" then yeah i'd be understandable to leave
@@handsomeboi3767 bro stop defending hero hei it’s not worth it 💀
As a Dragon Maid fan I can 100% say that it do be painful sometimes
Me too. A lot of the Lucoa/Shouta scenes are just so uncomfortable I skip them. I actually had to skip pretty much all of Season 1 Episode 6 (AKA the infamous Twister/Shouta Intro episode) and the first part of episode 7 when they are at the beach because of Lucoa's weird behavior towards Shouta.
Fr like LEAVE SHOUTA ALONE damn I can not even with those scenes
@@ninyaninjabrifsanovichthes45 Lucoa is best girl, but she gotta stop with that cougar shit
i wanted to get into the show :(
@@VeridisJoe some of the scenes are unbearable, like the twister scene. Strait awful.
>Says he's racist 13:41
>literally becomes E;R 13:43
Accurate as fuck.
I remember liking him in my anti she phase, but i can't fucking stand him anymore
Lmao
Damn that was subtle
I really wish you would've teared into those really weird anti-SJW anime channels more like Hero Hei or Rev Say Desu.
Maybe another time.
Damn anti-SJWs calling me out for harassing Asian artists because they made a character’s skin too light.
I’m sure he tore through one of them a few months back
@@thephantomthievesofhearts4388 harassment is definitely something people have to learn not to do when it comes to these sensitive subjects. But you’re acting like being anti sjw is a good thing and those ytbers haven’t done anything worth discussing.
@@superstar-zn7wn I don’t see how it’s bad.
I miss when the anime community was popular with classic anime and well-known ones by the internet such as Sailor Moon, Dragon Ball, Soul Eater, Lucky Star, Naruto, etc.
Lupin the Third is also a good one
Gods this video is such a big mood, it's so frigging draining having to rotate from consuming a type of media while dealing with such a toxic ass community
And the messed up thing is though, it's not just anime that has this problem, tokusatsu fandoms suffer with this type of toxicity as well
I remember that whole fiasco regarding Kamen Rider Revice where it was discovered about those images of Subaru Kimura doing black face and him making fun of the Mursi tribe, and there were weirdos who honestly felt people (notably black people who were rightfully criticizing Kimura's awful "jokes") shouldn't be upset that someone is being racist(??)
Like seriously, what the fuck is up with weeaboos' obsession of trying to shut down any form of criticism towards generally problematic aspects of media from Japan?
I think the real lesson here is stay far far away from Twitter
The man is back to speak straight facts
All the stuff you mentioned is why I usually just interact with lgbt and poc anime fans.
>counters supposed racism and sexism by choosing who to talk to based on their sexual preferences and skin color
Oh why are all you rainbows such race-realists?
Same. I avoid cishet anime fans like the plague.
I have had the worst interactions with cishet anime fans istg
@@uhmachtually-172 Did you just assume x amount of web denizens' gender? So bigoted smh *insert millennial smiley here*.
@@WackaMei Damn bro you got the whole squad laughin.
Arguing in Twitter is the most degenerate waste of time you can have.
Kaguya-sama: Love is War is the greatest romcom anime I’ve watched. It barely has any unnecessary fanservice. Considering romcoms being the main displayers of unneeded fanservice, that’s progressive imo.
As much as I'm not bothered by more problematic elements of anime, Kaguya is one of my favorite anime because it's such a breath of fresh air. And it's actually funny. PEAK
i love it.
I’m gonna comment here just in case y’all post more names of animes without unnecessary fanservice.
Edit: Thank you for the suggestions I’ll try checking them out later
@@princessharu2833 Mob psycho 100, Erased, Spy x family, Vinland saga
@@princessharu2833 Kaguya sama has this one ova episode at the end of s2 that’s fanservice heavy in the first couple of minutes but skippable
Yea it’s embarrassing how many times I’ve had to drop anime because of my rules like no “well she’s not my biological sister” or no “she’s 6000 she just looks 8” or similar rules I have for myself. like as a kid Dragon Maid was my favourite anime for a bit and then in the years inbetween seasons someone explained the subtext with the human child characters and I saw that one design and I just knew I probs couldn’t watch season 2
I watched 3 episodes of season 2 and dropped it.
I watched the whole thing but I skipped 90% of the scenes with Lucoa and Shouta. I had to skip basically all of Season 1 episode 6.
She's not that bad, I read the manga and there are only a couple of chapters that focus on her body, I would say that there is real character development and its not like other ecchii anime where they just make every situation as lewd as possible.
@@oali2478 Ilulu's character and story arc almost makes me forget her massive chest tumors.
“Westerners” being used as an insult from weebs bc the average working Japanese person wants nothing to do with them 💀
They don't have friends where they're from, why do they think a foreign nation is going to?
Fandom was a mistake
you got that right
When i was at community college the head of the anime club told me he was a hard-core lolicon and I never went back
Did the others know? If so then they could have kicked the guy out.
Wow that’s awful
@@ninyaninjabrifsanovichthes45 I had told my friends in the group and we all just decided to just hang out somewhere else
@@FauxDrake That's good.
Oh my god, thank you. I knew I wasn’t crazy and I completely agree about the high school thing. Like, I say all the time that most of these anime could take place in college and not change….
deadass
it is *so* fucking weird
@@nunyabiznes7446 Not only would nothing change if you set half these shows in college, but there's plenty of stories to be told about adult life like Miss Kobayashi's Dragon Maid or Aggretsuko.
@@ninyaninjabrifsanovichthes45 dragon maid might not be the best example of shows that are normal about children lol
"It's just a drawing"
same people
"This is my real waifu wife character plastered on everything, I'm practically married to my waifu"
I knew dudes who would call me 'gross' for reading yaoi but will go watch their 4679th harem filled with sexualized high school girls. ??Make it make sense
Yaoi tends to fetishize queer men.
In their own words and shitty memes; they were projecting their own weirdo and gross shittiness unto you.
omg hear me out. fetishizing gay men is weird. fetishizing and sexualizing school girls is weirder and grosser, but you still shouldn't fetishize gay men
I used to be rly embarrassed to like anime but then grew out of it bc I feel like I can embrace the parts I like while calling out the parts I hate. There's a lot I wish would change, but I can at least talk about ones that actually do good.
anyone who says westerner unironically definitely lives in the us or europe
"I must defend the honor of glorious Nippon" My brother in Christ you live in Iowa.
I very much do agree that the anime community needs to check themself when it comes to cosplay or practically anything when it comes to race. Since it’s perfectly fine if you race swap a character or being someone you like regardless of your race. Since in the end of the day they’re just fictional characters that can be whatever you want them to be.🐱
yeah but the thing is that most people generally wont or dont care so your being a prick for generalizing a group of people who have done nothing wrong, and the only time they actually get mad is if someone claims their interpretation of the character is right
exactly. not many people realize that cosplaying, headcanoning and editing anime characters as black/blasian/dark-skinned is not going to affect the canon source's representation it puts out - because cosplaying and fanart is not "true representation" aka canon representation. a white character will always be white even if a fan headcanon the white character is japanese because its the ORIGINAL CHARACTER'S creation. and a black cosplayer cosplaying as a non-black character doesn't not mean its bad because it's "inaccurate" because of race.
i love how the anime community, think that black people/characters or dark-skinned people/characters whole existence is to "fix" canon, be stereotypes and to be "woke."
@@sweethearth-d9349 the thing is that most people won’t or don’t give a shit about cosplaying or headcanoning or whatever unless someone is saying by them drawing a character black is fixing them or claiming their head canon is canon
@@handsomeboi3767 if that was true i think there would be less of black people saying how they get death threats and racist shit in their comments or dms. there would be less people shitting on people because they headcanoned a character black or drew them in a dark tone.
i get what u're saying. there's a lot of people that don't care but there's also a lot of people that DO care about these things... even if people cosplaying, making headcanons, making fanart or making racebending edits don't claim they're "fixing" canon. hince the casual racist things people say towards people doing cosplays. hince the casual racism to people making black edits.
people caring so much about things like cosplaying, headcanons, other things dealing with racial minorities are a reality. and the reality is still there isn't if nobody is "fixing" anything. its a reality that have cause discomfort to people. especially poc people or specifically black people depending on the fandom
@@sweethearth-d9349 well i really see where your coming from and i can agree with a lot of the points your making but MOST NIGGAS REALLY DONT CARE IF OTHER NIGGAS ARE RACEBENDING A CHARACTER. (and before you get your panties in a twist im black)
people really just dont give a damn and this whole situation is just a couple of bad apples who are ruining the bunch.
And people arent saying casual racist shit, the vocal minority being racist are making just regular old racist comments
The racism I agree it's getting out of control. Thumin is my favorite artist and the nasty stuff they sent to her is enough to actually turn in to the police it's that bad and gross.
hero hei is the keemstar of anime
idk Hero Hei hasn't said the N-word.
*Yet.*
@@ninyaninjabrifsanovichthes45 He probably has
@@ninyaninjabrifsanovichthes45 he isn't based yet