and usually non-black people see it as fixing which they then do it and it gets blown out of proportions (ie. the knuckles art situation that happened on twitter. a white artist assumed they were fixing a piece and made knuckles black when no one asked even tho they were canonically correct… once again no one asked them to do that.)
@@Gloomdrake no really. as if i don’t have eyes. he’s based off of my cultures indigenous backgrounds. he was supposed to be blatantly jamaican in va choices as well from what i can recall but this isn’t something new. you can code characters to be of different backgrounds despite their appearances. that’s why it’s more common to see knuckles be drawn/painted as black.
"Colorwashing", in my opinion, depends on intention. Turning a character black or white and then saying it's "fixed" or "better" is racist, but changing color for fun or for pure interest isn't. Art is art.
@integrity I'm talking about artists who accidentally color a darker skin color, a bit lighter or "ashy" with no ill intent. Fact is pale skin and darker skin need different colors to work with said skin tone. Pale skin works well with light pink while darker skin works well with darker shades of red and brown. However I've seen artists post work of their poc and people going ballistic because they used a too pale/gray brown and people calling them racist because of it. It sucks because it just discourages them from drawing more POC fanart, especially when the POC community love representation.
Do people forget that asians are discriminated against too? Most of these anime characters are asian, not white. (The rainbow hair is just nice looking. See it as a filter)
@@cortomaltese7105 Hate crimes against Asian have kinda always been a thing (in America). Notable examples of anti Asian discrimination in America would be the “Chinese expulsion Acts” , the Japanese interment camps during the 1940s, and the recent anti Asian violence due to the COVID virus.
Asian anime characters who are the product of a completely different animation industry that's already predominantly Asian being exported over to a country and media landscape where big round eyes and pale skin are already considered hallmarks of whiteness are fair game imo. The idea that Black edits of anime characters "take away representation" from Asian people or something falls kind of flat because fully realized Japanese characters in anime don't represent a struggle to be seen and respected like Japanese characters in American cartoons do.
As a poc I personally never saw an issue with changing the race of a fictional character as long as 1. It isn’t done out of spite or to harm people 2. It isn’t forced onto others constantly and told as ‘right’ ‘the only way’ 3. It isn’t claimed to be ‘canonical’ ‘accurate’ or ‘fixed’ But that’s just me personally.
question if its ok- can white people edit characters to make them black respectfully for the sake of representation and or headcanons? just wondering if i can do something like this i would the edits look bomb
@@iffnine in my opinion sure. Like I said before just do whatever as long as it’s not to hurt someone or be annoying about it. Art is simply art and can be whatever. So…. Whatever
When it comes to the (official) changing of a race of a fictional character, I think so long as the race or ethnicity had nothing to do with the story I really don’t think it matters what they change the race to if at all. If it’s something like a book adaptation I might be annoyed by the change but that’s because I’m stickler for book accuracy.
Then why would people go to Blacktober and make edits to prove a point, Specifically send it to Blacktober servers, like it's obvious why they'd do that.
@@AizakkuAnalysis OCs don't garner nearly the same attention nor impact as canon characters. white people get to cosplay easily as their favorite characters, even if they're asian. meanwhile black people have a tiny shallow kitty pool to choose from without race-bending. that's uh... kind of why we do it. lol.
@@AizakkuAnalysis did I say a recolor is a oc? No? Plus I think you misinterpreted of what I said, I'm calling out in those Who wanted black ocs so bad but don't support those who does make original black characters
@@AizakkuAnalysis and regarding to the first sentence, there are artists that do recolors over years in every platform they're on, so if black edits don't get a pass, so as them
@@yunigrimoire Since you brought up the topic, is there any character designers you'd recommend? :0 I'm not on social media a lot because of schoolwork and such aha
I guess it's an in for a penny in for a pound situation, because fuck subtlety. I suppose the next step would be drawing them with off brand nazi bands. Actually, isn't that kind of a thing certain neonazi types actually do with characters they like, dress them up in SS cosplay?
You know the part you brought up about knowing characters aren't black this is kinda different but. I'm Asian had an argument with someone telling me anime characters are white. Saying the characters in avatar are supposed to be white because they "don't look Asian". Like that feels really ignorant and annoying while drawing a character black it's cool fan art.
I also get tired of white people saying that Goku does not look Asian and that any actor can play him because he's an Alien. They are the same people who would start a protest against a Hispanic Superman or Omni Man. If Clark Kent and Omni Man can look European, then why can't Goku look Asian? The Saiyans are Asian coded. There aren't black or Caucasian Saiyans either because Toriyama said that the Saiyans lack genetic variation so many of them would look the same.
They also keep saying that Masashi Kishimoto said that Naruto is American, Sakura is European and Sasuke is Japanese American. I looked for that Interview all over the Web but I can't find jack. Also, didn't Naruto have stereotypical Asian features in the beginning of the series? Remember how he used to close his eyes like Brock from Pokemon and Gin Ichimaru from Bleach?
@@sandunderrad and now you have made a slight racist remark, or an offensive generalisation while I can tell you mean well, your phrasing makes you lose all correctness you had, by sounding like a hypocrite
WE DO MAKE BLACK OCS THO. We don’t get that interest. Most ppl don’t support our OCs that are black but we still make them. They’re our babies. Just like our nonblack OCs.
The idea of people being angry that someone drew the green person as being a darker shade of green than originally makes me doubt my faith in humanity's ability to do good
AKA making a bunch of moronic excuses. Blackwashing does exist because White characters get turned into black characters for no other reason then to be woke and virtue signal.
1. Changing the race of a character in art is fine. 2. Changing the race of a character in art and claiming it is better is not fine. 3. Anyone can cosplay, it doesn't matter what color you are, its all for fun and games. 4. If you want representation make a cool character of your race, without it being their whole identity, like Luke Cage, Spawn, War Machine, Blade, Apollo Creed, Falcon, and so much more. We love good characters, and I don't need him to look like me to relate!
@@stoney7461Please do. Come up with something original and awesome. Don't just copy paste into MS paint and grab the paint bucket tool and the black colour.
9:00 the irony is that T'challa actually had a white adopted brother named Hunter who T'challa was genuinely heart broken to have fight because he understood that Hunter was genuinely devoted to Wakanda as head of it's secret police
Plot twist: Blasian Characters. on a serious note though, these black edits aren't being mean to actual Asian characters there's even some headcanons that some characters could be darkskin/brownskin and still be Asian (which actually EXISTS)
I grew up and got bullied in my school for being Chinese, And when I see this it severely disappointed me, Characters are based on mostly their personality traits not their color. Its stupid to fucking see these grown ass adults, Doin stupid arguments on the internet for being a character that isn’t their race when they ain’t even their race either it’s hypocritical. Honestly as an asian. I don’t fucking care how people dress up as the characters who ain’t even their race ITS THE PERSONALITY THAT COUNTS and the UNIQUENESS.
@@itsmiffymel any race could be an Character honestly lmao, But most manga and anime was made in the east Asia so most of the series are asians sadly hopefully this will change in the future.
@@needletea2266 yeah, that's how it kinda is. I'm still glad that there's some few anime characters have able to represent not only East Asians with more brown skin complexion & diversity as well.
Those people only care about the fact these characters are asian when they can use it as a "GOTCHA! YOU'RE THE RACIST ONE BECAUSE THIS CHARACTER IS ALSO A MINORITY! IT'S ALL EQUAL!!"
Yeah I agree. Or like out of spite. I genuinely think it's alright if people just want to see a character as their own race, just don't be petty about it.
I find black edits really fun. And the details and variety in hair styles always catches my eye. The people that say they're "fixing" don't even try. They just paint they skin black and say "i'm MaKeInG a DiFfErEnCe" when really black people are just doing it for harmless fun
@@kierrablackwell9236 Yeah! I use black edits when I need help designing a character who is black. I do this with other races too, but it's a little harder to find black anime characters.
I should probably start counting the amount of times I see the comment “I’m find as long as people claim they aren’t fixing them!” Vs the amount of times this has actually happened And there is a very noticeable difference from what I’ve seen
Anime is made in Japan, in Japan, most of the population is Japanese, so a lot of the characters are made Japanese which is why they always showcase Japanese culture in some way.
@@miadatenshi9903 So? They are the people talented enough to make shows and characters that you like, and if they like to add a white american or russian its their decition. Maybe because Japanese people like adding white people to anime is due to actors like Ryan Reynolds being what they think of an American, just like how if i say Japanese person YOU probably dont think of the mixed black-japanese person but just a fully japanese person.
@miadatenshi9903 you forgot that Asians gets discriminated by the west and casually erase our culture like we're not black or white, we're completely Asians not blasians or half white half asian
@@jokehu7115 more like great or great great but in terms of generations or even in years, the abolition of slavery and more recently, jim crow, was not that long ago.
@@randomjo5945 yeah that’s more correct the 60s weren’t that long ago but the abolishment of slavery in the usa is a 100 years more so i was “damn thats an old grandma”
@Beatriz da Costa LMAO I too get confused at my pretty exceptional art ability because I'm black, and black people can't and shouldn't be allowed to art. XD
AHAHAHAH! bro it's crazy because I used to play with a lobby of friends on a buncha of games. They all found out I was black and have ignored me. Or just became very rude.
It’s so wild that you’re the only black creator I see talking about this. It’s really sad how many people legit think black edits are not only racist, but convince black people that they are as well. And especially to my black friends, I want you to look at the reaction towards black expression and that of other races. The vitriol towards black creators is far more noticeable, almost as if it’s not the content people have an issue with, but black people loving their culture and expressing themselves.
And when they try to compare black edits to whitewashing... the action of whitewashing is made solely out of racist intent to cleanse any character of color of their ethnic features because they are viewed as unclean. Plus whitewashing has been used in history too, not just in twitter "drama". Black edits are never made out of racist intent and those who do say shit like "fixed!" are usually just trolls who wanna make us black people look bad..
Plenty have talked about this, but the problem with a lot of the ones who talk about it don't actually address the problem and just end on the "let us do what we want lol" rather than going in to depth like Veridis did
Thumin and Omnia talk about this issue pretty often, Thumin got tons of shit on twitter apparently. Its stupid that people dont look think of/ research the context as to WHY black edits aren’t the same as white ones
in this context, im pretty sure this isnt how it goes. the reason why those artists are making the characters colored is because they don’t get recognition(ex: there aren’t much anime with dark skinned character who actually is animated/drawn correctly).
Tbh i dont think so.because blm and alm are big movements that have great impact on country,and color edits is just internet thing.they can have effect as well,but i think you understand what i meant
@@Noone-we9vb oh I completely understand they are different, I meant more just the aspect of “one is done with good intentions where as the other is primarily done solely to be contrarian” On the whole I’m still not into racebending edits regardless. It’s not that I don’t understand the difference but that doesn’t mean I have to agree with it
I’m really disappointed in this comment section and how y’all are treating asian characters, specifically in anime. Yes, Asians can be dark-skinned and light-skinned. Yes, asian countries obviously can have people of different races living in it. And ofc not all anime characters are asians. but to say racebending anime characters isn’t erasing asian features because most anime characters don’t look asian?? What race do they look like then?? what is with this double standard?? “They have whacky colored hair, how can they be asian???” It’s anime, a cartoon, character features are exaggerated ffs. People never give asian characters any respect or take them seriously and I’m sick of it.
The thing is, anime characters are racially ambiguous. The reason White people are able to easily imprint/identify with them is because they don't look Asian. You can't erase "Asian features" Because anime characters don't have them. A lot of anime with a distinct foreigner have blonde hair and blue eyes in order to show the difference. Knowing the characters are Asian mostly comes down to outside knowledge of knowing who made it and the nation the story takes place in. Stuff that generally doesn't come up in most shows. Most people would agree that race bending a character like Mikasa for AoT would be wrong since being Asian is one of her character traits.
@@Space_Burrito yea, it can be hard to tell what a characters race is sometimes unless it’s explicitly stated, that’s true. I’m just frustrated and confused at how so many people seem to not give a damn about asian characters, some even going as far as saying that because Asians have more representation in American media, they haven’t faced real racial discrimination or oppression(I wish I was lying, but I’ve seen comments like that). black people are not the only minority group like hello?? And I’m only bashing on those certain ppl, let’s make that clear. asians feel like a mere backdrop sometimes when it comes to racial issues in the US. oh you guys deal with racial issues? but you have kpop and anime! whoop-deedoo.
@@chickensandwich8828 I can agree with that. It's frustrating how a lot of people speak on the discussion as if it's only Black and White people. Especially when the Pandemic brought more hate crimes towards Asians. And due to the "Model minority" Myth Asians are in a weird position where they aren't seen as minorities, or white. Hispanics are somewhat dealing with a similar situation. Though not as pronounced. But at least the situation for them and other PoC seems to be getting better if only a little bit. Though I'd bar Anime and K-pop from this kinda discussion since they're not American rep and primarily racially homogeneous.
@@Space_Burrito hey I meant to reply sooner but forgot. But yea I agree with you too, especially with how Hispanics go through a similar ordeal. Also I used kpop and anime as an example just because they are so popular in American media, and a lot of people tend to forget that they are made by countries with a homogeneous, racial population like you said. A lot of Americans will look at kpop and anime thinking “why do Asians get so much rep!?” not realizing that they come from entirely different countries. Like it’s not anyone’s fault that asian entertainment became so prevalent. If we’re solely looking at American-made media, Asians have as much representation as black people, maybe even less.
I feel like the main reason this gets a bad rep is when artists "fix" characters by making the character black. Then the stigma around that bleeds over into the community that is trying to do a positive thing.
What also makes it a problem is when an artist makes an original character who so happens to be white, Asian, mixed race but light skinned and then some rando comes in and changes their character completely and claims that they “fixed it”
@@dixiereynolds9909 There’s definitely that to. Like what they did with Uzaki Chan for example. I forget the user’s name though. 0:23 I’m still watching though.
I’m black and ngl i feel like we’re ever going to have racial equality then either “blackwashing” and whitewashing are both bad, or they’re both fine. Saying that one is good and the other is evil kinda undermines the whole idea of equality by stating that this is an exception and not the status quo
It's hard for people to realize that representation matters when they never had to deal with not having it. I always try to stand by minorities getting rep, but even I didn't know what it felt like til I played Spider Man Miles Morales. Don't get me wrong, I absolutely loved the movie, but I'm Puerto Rican. The game put a lot of emphasis on that part of Miles' life in the game versus the movie, even has him speaking a bit of Spanish to his mother. I couldn't stop smiling, my face hurt so bad! The feeling is crazy and amazing! The game also gets a thumbs up from me cuz there's a quest where you interact with a deaf girl and they use sign language! PWD representation matters too! So y'all got something to say about it? Talk to minority first. Ask questions, try to understand. And if that sounds stupid to you, then we're probably going to be at odds. Spoiler alert; I give no quarter. Peace!
I had literally the same exact experience as you. Agreeing but not truly getting it until playing the Miles Morales game because I could relate to my Puerto Rican culture. The exact same, dawg!
Not for Miles but same here! As a Puerto Rican, the movie was special but I never truly understood appreciating rep until I started reading Bleach and saw the word Abuelo in a manga. It hits really different and it’s awful when people try to take that away
Really? You were that happy just because she spoke spanish? The language that's not even hours and given to us by our original oppressors? As someone who's a Latino as well, half Mexican half Puerto rican, I don't care about relationship. I just want good stories and good characters. Besides, I don't expect people halfway across the country who've never met a Latino before to do a popular representation of latinos. And how would at least don't care about you, that little smile was enough to get you to still go into the theaters or streaming services and give them money, you just felt for me. The way I see all you did was fall for bait. You basically show them they only have to do the bear bear minimum and that is it. They don't really have to do much to make you happy and you've proven that. Many people have proven that. And don't get me wrong, that movie was f****** awesome., But just one scene of a guy speaking a different language, that's not even hours to begin with, doesn't really make me happy. in fact I can care less and even now I still don't understand what the big deal was representation is. I mean I understand why it makes so many people happy. Relatability. I get that. I get relatability. But I rather be related to by my personality before my race. In fact I am almost feeling embarrassed to even refer to as a Puerto Rican given how f****** brainwashed our people are and still want the item to be part of America as a full-grown State knowing how this country treats the Island and our people. And although the Spanish do not have anything to do what's going on over there in Puerto rico, and I do not hold the sins of the past on the children of today. That is not fair. But nothing still boils my blood then when I hear an older woman say why don't you speak our language, and I just so badly want to tell them why don't you? Why don't you speak our language? Why are you speaking the language of our oppressors and trying to say it's our language? Why are you praying to the God and the religion of our oppressors? As far as I'm concerned we can never get actual representation. Cuz what's left of our culture is gone. What we have now is a merge of what we had left and what was left over by the Spaniards and any of the slaves and other people who came over to the island. The most representation I've ever seen this up story about a Hood family of Puerto Ricans that didn't like black people. And when I hear s*** like that it blows my f****** mind. Even more so when I hear people say stupid s*** they want to be pure blood and Puerto rican. There is no such m************ thing. We are literally the most mixed ethnic group in the whole f****** world. We are even bigger melting pot in the US given that most of the people that are actually melted together and become One race of people. Or like my grandmother who constantly uses the Edward hard r even though she constantly refers to herself as a Puerto Rican black woman. F****** dumbass. My grandmother not you. I mean I love my grandmother don't get me wrong. But it goes to show how f****** ignorant they are and trust me I have no problem calling it out to their face. Also as not only a latino, but an autistic pansexual. I don't ever ever ever ever ever ever expect somebody to do proper representation about me. You know why, cuz nobody gives the f*** that I exist. So if they don't even know I exist, and there's nothing important about them to be fit into their lives, they don't have a reason to understand the Latino culture then why would I ever expect representation? Unless it would fit their story. I'm not against that, but for me that's the only time it would make sense. If an anime studios decided to represent Latino search for the sake of representation I would just ask, why? And say oh god. Cuz I've seen the past black representations. And, well he already showed us how racist they looked in the video. So I honestly don't give a f*** about being represented by a foreign studio that has never exited their studio, let alone their city, let alone their country. I'm honestly with the people who say why not do it yourself? Only because in my expectations I don't expect them to do it right or to do the bare bare minimum like I mentioned before. Heck what are the best examples I can think of is the film gook. Made by a Korean guy, a TH-camr and fat. David so comedy. Well just David so now by his channel name. Now doing a podcast called the genius brain podcast. He wants to be in a film with some popular representation of Asians and even his specific neighborhood where he grew up in. How would at least didn't want to hiring, so he did it his self. Especially since he knew the Hollywood elites are not going to do it right, they're not going to do cock representation. And according to him and his friends who have tried to do movies and TV shows before, every time they do want to play a character, the Hollywood at least want them to do a completely different accent. His friend barquan who also has on TH-cam channel called just kidding news, try to do some Hollywood shows himself and once almost got the part to play a Chinese man since he's chinese. But he didn't want to do the part since the directors kept trying to get him to do a Korean or Vietnamese accents. Even though he's a Chinese man playing a Chinese character. he did not want to take the roll cuz they wanted him to do a Korean or Vietnamese accent. So as far as I'm concerned whatever I would at least do try to do any sort of representation, I immediately roll my eyes way into the back of my skull cuz I already know they're going to try way too hard, or not even try it on and use a bear bear bear minimum and everybody's going to praise them for it. Like give me a break. Again I'm not saying it shouldn't make you happy, I just find it ridiculous people find it to be disappointed, or at the very least why they would ever ever ever ever expect Rich elite people to give a f*** about us let alone give a f*** about representing us properly. Especially when it comes to the rich elites, right next to conservatives, are the main reasons why many minority groups will continue to be oppressed and continue to be poor. But yes, let's be happy clap our hands and give them praise that they jingle representation keys in front of us and we laughed and giggle like a bunch of little kids and we ate it up. I'm sorry but with real world problems still going on even actual oppressive issues for minority groups, representation and media should be at the bottom of the list in my opinion. For me that sounds truly like nothing more than a first world problem with how many people are still sucking poverty and are dying because they can't afford health care. But hoorah, somebody's Puerto Rican in the films. I feel so happy, not only if I had some healthcare. Well at least I have health care so, but my grandfather is definitely f***** in a lot of medical debt. But hey, at least person in the film that we paid for, I'm sorry paid, I meant pirated because we don't got the money to buy it. At least the movie we pirated had a Puerto Rican in it. Again I'm not saying you can't enjoy that, but given real world issues, that is trivial s***.
@@HK47_115 that's funny you talk about all these world issues and yet you have the time to write an article responding to a comment from a video that literally has nothing to do with those world issues, but about representation. But hey, whatever gets your rocks off, I don't judge.
I litterally saw a SU comic where somebody made it something like: “Connie my powers developed,I can fix all your ILLNESSES “ and then used his powers to make Connie white and she hugged him LIKE BIT-
I don't care what people do with their art. This can also be extended to cosplays, I think anybody should be "allowed" to cosplay any character they want regardless of the character's skin color; if somebody likes the character so much that they spend time, money, and effort to dress as them let them have fun.
Yes exactly, if a black person cosplay as an asian character is okay it should also be okay the other way around and not labelled as white washing and cultural appropriation.
@@ArbitraryOutcome yes, but what I'm seeing is it's BAD to cosplay a black character but it's okay and empowering if a black cosplayer cosplay as a non black character. It's either we ban race related cosplaying for everyone or let anyone cosplay what ever they want, not pick and chose.
@@feryeltaibi4267 A seemingly solid rule of thumb I heard on the matter of cosplaying black characters while white is to not do blackface as part of it. I am not aware of people having a problem with cosplaying, except for when it involves blackface, but with drawn art. It's the difference between a white artist drawing a canonically black character versus doing blackface, obviously assuming the artist isn't drawing explicitly racist depictions of said character.
@@MILDMONSTER1234 Anime characters also have natural blue or purple hair... anime characters don't always focus on real ethnicities. They're just flamboyant overexaggeration of people, even the blonde haired ones with fair skin. You have to remember that we can be pale
@@KingsSpaghetti yes 5 years ago. And to top it off the account posting the edits on Tumblr revealed himself as a black transgender woman, in which tumblr back peddled so hard the inertia flew them out the bike and fell flat on their face. It was a marvel to see
I see "blackwashing" as a problem when all you're doing is changing a character's race/ethnicity just for the sake of representation. Like, I'm all for representation, but do it right. For example, Miles Morales is done right. Sure he's Black/Hispanic Spider-Man, but he's a completely separate character from Peter Parker with his own narrative, even with his own unique superpowers.
AHH thank you. It's like a bloody practice at this point. By changing their race they are changing their background and culture which makes up a lot of what the character is. When people say, it doesn't matter what race they are, then why change it?
@Nazi Thoughts i forgor my comment so im basing this off my memory Yeah but still, its wrong to change someone, even though they've had a lot of representation, its still wrong to change someone (as in change the character and say it/s should be/canon) Yes i know anime
I just find it weird how we want more representation yet aren't putting enough attention to the representation our own people have created. I don't expect white people or non-blacks in general to create better representation for me than my own people. We need to put more attention on the movies, teen shows, anime, and original art of Black characters made by Black people rather than going off of things made by non-Black people. It also seems a bit lazy when anyone of any race makes the character a different race to make them more "relatable" rather than creating a unique, original character who is POC. I have seen some beautiful art and even non-professional art that are unique POC. Seriously, where are the Black characters that people put hours of time and effort into creating with written background information and everything? I don't see much of it, and that's what I want to see, not coloring the skin of existing Anime and cartoon characters dark. It's just a facepalm and sigh type of thing. It's not exciting or motivating for Black Artists like me. There's nothing wrong per se with coloring a character any type of way, white, black, asian, etc, but as a Black person, coloring them brown it's not ideal representation. I still see a Black Midoriya Izuku the same way he was when he wasn't edited, not as a Black Person with the Black experience, and that's why I wish people wouldn't default to editing characters dark and just draw their own dark person. We need to focus on supporting original Black artists rather than edits. Again, I don't think it's wrong, but how are we going to get representation if we aren't giving a voice to the people who actually bust their ass for it? Not to mention they face tougher backlash and harsher judgement, but we aren' t doing enough to protect them and help them feel safe on the platforms. Black Artists who hope to make their own animated shows or movies could do great things for the community yet tend to be swept under the rug. Take the guy who created Cannon Busters, for example. Not a lot of Black people even watched Cannon Busters despite Cannon Busters being created by a Black man. Michiko To Hatchin. Xogenasys. All unpopular Anime despite them having loads of representation for Black people. I'm not sure Xogenasys is even out yet but there certainly isn't hype for it. I don't understand it at all. Where is our pride?
I may be late, but you killed this! Also, when we hype up shows that represent us, others will see its success and that will lead to more black representation.
You make a phenomenal point and really verbalized the sentiment I was feeling about the edits. They are fantastic, but they ultimately just bring attention back to the source material that already isn't doing much for representation instead of supporting independent Black creators for their own work which would very much lead to more representation indeed. I feel like this is kind of connected to algorithm shenanigans, too because the algorithm simply favors fanart and in its eyes any engagement is good even if it's awful people saying awful things. Original character art isn't nearly as popular as fanart in general and Black OCs are even less so as a result, so Black creators end up having to reimagine characters in the hopes that someone will like their work and will give them a follow; but usually people just ♥the edit, think they are being supportive, and move on because of just how much art is out there in general. You're right. It's going to take deliberate work from individuals and choices they make to go to an artist's profile, see their other work, and support them and their OCs.
They mentioned in the video that you can do both, it’s not like people changing the race of a character is trying to change the world. It’s just fun and for *their* enjoyment, they didn’t really make any of this stuff for you specifically. 😭
“Blackwashing isn’t a real thing!” *Proceeds to show multiple examples through the video and makes an argument as to why it’s a good thing.* Sure dude.
It usually depends on the intent in my opinion, like you can race bend whatever character you want as long as their race isn't a big part of their character or if the person doing it has bad intentions
@@airplanes_aren.t_real black panther literally doesn't make sense without them being specifically black for what the character represents this why a Jewish black panther actually worked t'challa specifically chose this man to take up the role while he couldn't for a while vs Captain America's race not really mattering outside of certian story lines like Truth Red White and Black anyone could be cap not just Steve Rogers that's the point
Cap not the best choice since his movie takes place during ww2 or around that time i think so him being black would be kinda dumb considering time period, but i see what u mean
IMO changing the race of a character is alright if: -it is done with no evil intentions -It isn't done by big companies to get more money -It doesnt claim that the character has been fixed or upgraded by changing their race
@@colindowden2182 I agree. To be honest there is no justified scenario to changing a character’s race. They change it and then call you racist, saying “it doesn’t matter.” If it didn’t matter then there would have been no reason to change the character in the first place.
@@cryforhelp7270 I think it's that people get attached to characters and "project" onto them, so seeing someone fundamentally change the character almost comes off as a personal attack in some cases. Not saying it's justified to attack the artist, just that there are reasons why people get angry.
womp womp blackwashing doesnt exist and isnt boo hoo your poor white characters got edited who cares, white washing comes from malice and actual racism, black washing doesn't. educate yourself
@scrinkle And all major media that has blackwashing isn't blatant racism? They only swatch the races to appeal to you half brained retards. "Muh representation!!!"Try making your own characters, you greasy fuck.
As a black girl that likes to draw and paint, thats the reason I never wanted to post my art, I fear so much that people are going to attack me just for being black and drawing black characters, i never changed the race/ethnicity of a pre-established character, but i've seen so many hate comments against balck creators, it's scary really
I get that! It’s so terrifying and people don’t even be hiding their racism nowadays 💀 but there are some awesome communities of fellow black people and super understanding people out there that will support your stuff no matter what ! I hope you find that kind and comforting community one day ! 💗
@@moriyamakyon1067 hiding away because you are scared is not a helpful comment nor is it a solution, we’ll all have to face some of our fears someday so it’s best to try to overcome them one step at a time
@@rownie2875 I meant that, if you cannot overcome yourself and withstand the insults without fear, then you don't belong here. As an option for overcoming newcomers, I can offer to play MMO in + - serious guilds
I’m a white teenage artist/author/comic book writer and like all my characters used to be white and then I thought… is there a reason these characters are white? Frankly, there wasn’t. Most of those stories were set in a universe where racism just wasn’t a thing. So I made most of them into POC. I’m talking East Asian, Latin American, African, African American, Indian, Native American, basically none of them were white anymore. It also gave me ways to expand their character. I have ADD so I can’t focus on shit but I actually sat down to research the cultures my characters came from and asked people online for their experiences and cultures and anything else they wanted to share. Now my formerly flavorless pasty flat characters are a diverse and ever-growing group of dynamic and unique people. I haven’t experienced the cultures my characters have or anything they’ve gone through because of it, being fully European-American, but I’m trying my best and I’m always learning, unlearning, tweaking their characters, and trying my best to create the best representation I can for as many people as I can. White people saying “just make your own characters if you want black characters so bad” are completely ignorant to how easy it is to tell stories for other people if you just keep an open mind and continue learning no matter what. Btw I’m not saying all that about my diverse characters for internet points or whatever, I was just giving background info for my point. Creating diverse characters isn’t that difficult. EDIT: Read my replies before replying to this, I explain most misconceptions about what I mean down there!
Exactly my experience as a writer. It does make a difference in feeling, and I'd rather if someone (anyone ever!) Reads it then I'd like for them to get that picture
@@hectorrodriguezgonzalez8938 mostly sources by people in the communities I’m representing or character quirks from stories/shows made by the people of those communities. More political TH-cam channels like Wrath Of The Island Bard have some good videos that have things about good representation. I’m sorry I can’t be more helpful than this, I did most of my research quite some time ago! 😅
The story was good till you described white people as "flavorless pasty flat characters". I know you wanna uplift poc representation but putting down other races and features real people have isnt how you do that. Also, the reason why all of your ocs were white is because you yourself are, and we artists tend to first start out drawing what we relate to the most. it wasn't bad you were just in a developmental stage. I think it's cool you research other cultures since that is exactly how you managed to diversify your ocs.
@@ghoztiell sometimes white people like us find white people bland because that’s most of what we see lol. What he said was completely fine. Besides, he was talking about his characters specifically, not the whole race
Same here. The amount of times I've seen people cry about the character being straight under some harmless fanart ect is just ugh. It's like, they don't seem to understand that them viewing the character as straight is a headcanon 😳
@@amarimochi depends, if the character is established to have a non-straight sexuality then it feels iffy to do so, if the character has no established sexuality at all then go right ahead ig
Literally!! Like they would go out of their way to be like "oh people only ship it cuz it's gay" or "*insert character here* is straight". Like either no shit that's why it's called a hc, or it wasn't even specified. And then they go on to say that straight is the default so it's assumed so?? Like huh?
Right?? I hate how they’re always like “why do people have to make everything gay” Like the lgbt community is literally holding a gun up to the creators head and forcing them to change the canon
People really forgetting about Asian representation too. Most anime characters are asian since it’s literally a Japanese cartoon. Changing an asian characters to be black is just as bad as changing a black character white. ' edit: I've changed my opinion and grown from what I was like a year ago. I don't think blackwashing exists and if it does it's definitely not on the same level as whitewashing, because whitewashing is erasing rep and blackwashing is done for more rep. I definitely understand wanting to see your fav character having the same identity as you, especially if you're discriminated against irl for your identity. I love black edits and I love seeing people draw pale characters with tanner/darker skin, idfc about "erasing white rep" because that doesn't exist. Thanks for the likes ig
@@skullery5302 You mean Japan, cause Japan doesn't equal ALL Asian countries. And the other Asian countries aren't that represented as much like Indonesian, Malaysian, Singapore, Thailand, etc. You know Japan isn't the only Asian country right?-
@@skullery5302 but don’t you see that’s the point to why colorwashing is so lazy. Japan and other Asian countries created their own representation, they didn’t beg creators to do it for them. In doing so they created a market for their characters and storytelling. The black community has yet to do the same. Why should we demand the same amount of representation from whites when we only make up 13% of population of the United States? And why do we have an entire channel supposedly dedicated to black people but no animation? Heck, we even have an entire continent of us and we still don’t invest in animation in Africa as well. If you want that representation you gotta take a page from Japan and make it yourself. Blacks don’t have that much representation in animated media because we are mostly not involved in it, though we heavily consume it
Blackwashing is kinda sad though because deep down you know it aint canon. Which is why instead of scraping around for representation we should support the black creators hustling out there trying to make their own shows and comics. Also it's kinda stupid to expect the Japanese to cater to US audiences.
We don't, thats why we are doing it ourselves.. and I do actively support black businesses and creators, I can do both. But most people who make black edits are kids who don't have as much resources to support other creators either.
@@SoulaaniNani As a black person who ISN'T from the US, I specifically said US audiences because you guys are the ones complaining the most. 🤷🏿♂️ Also, I still think it's stupid to expect other people to accurately represent you and your culture when you can do it yourself, especially now in the age of the internet. It's been done countless times before so what's the holdup?!
@@zazadestroyer333 But when they make black edits, they're inadvertently supporting the non-black creators who made the original character by giving them free advertising of their character. Also, as a black guy who draws a lot of characters, usually when I draw an anime character that I like, like Deku or Luffy I don't see why changing their race to make them look like me would make me like them more because I like them just the way they are. There are a ton of black characters that I like to draw though like Alan from Ben 10, Abra from Doctor Sleep, Miles from Spiderverse, Lucas from Stranger Things and a lot of other characters that aren't black. But when I do OC's, most of the time I do make them black because that's usually how I picture them in my head but sometimes they're not black or even human.
The white edits of Korra and Garnet are 100% cursed. Holy shit. Idk how the "editer" managed to make Korra look unattractive. And Garnet? Nah. You can't just whitewash such a badass character voice by an awesome black singer. American Boy is a song that lives rent-free in my mind.
@@yesman1517 non-black people worrying about how black people cope… with the amount of representation that heterosexual whites have in media, you’d guess that they would remove themselves from the topic of representation :)
"Why don't u make ur own characters instead of changing the race of existing ones." Again, that's literally Black Panther. That's part of WHY he was created.
Damn so making one character was enough? Reminder that there's a lot of white Black Panthers, oh and T'challa has a white brother...oh and white African people exist...so really no reason to make him Black
@@leggoyourego2981 i think it's dumber to accept being pandered to and accepting blatant hypocrisy. What is T'Challa's only character trait? He's African, no really, his character is all about him being a nigga. How is that a good thing? Why are we accepting characters that change nothing, make being black normal, not a character trait.
@@leggoyourego2981 you came with the heat and can't back yourself up, been an hour dude, don't talk shit unless you wanna actually have a relevant convo
As an Asian person, I feel like this is a double standard. Both are equally as bad, period. edit: I've changed my opinion and grown from what I was like a year ago. I don't think blackwashing exists and if it does it's definitely not on the same level as whitewashing, because whitewashing is erasing rep and blackwashing is done for more rep. I definitely understand wanting to see your fav character having the same identity as you, especially if you're discriminated against irl for your identity. I love black edits and I love seeing people draw pale characters with tanner/darker skin, idfc about "erasing white rep" because that doesn't exist. Thanks for the likes ig
What exactly makes "blackwashing" bad? If you really understand what whitewashing was and the intentions of that you'd understand how one is okay and the other is not. The "washing" in whitewashing meant to clean dirt. Darker skin was the "dirt", the skin was stripped off of darker characters and changed to pale/white because it was UNFITTING and when there is dark characters non black people always criticize them and question why they're black and then even whitewash them because it doesn't fit what they wanna see. Black people are barely shown in any fictional media, almost every character you see is pale and there's a reason for that. Appearently it "fits" societies wants. All non black people want to see characters that look like them, and so do black people. They want to see characters that look like them that AREN'T racial stereotypes. Most black fictional characters are always racial stereotypes. "Blackwashing" is completely harmless and is hurting no one. And if you feel the need to say "Blackwashing" is bad please do not use AAVE in your vocab because it's black English and not made for you.
@@Dutch-van_der-linde i am telling the truth. verdicts Joe is a wolf in sheep disguise seeking to prey on children. everybody with common sense hates and boycotts veridic Joe.
The more comfortable term should just be “Racebending: an act of depicting a non-black (most likely fictional) character as another race, in art or media.” (I’ve seen POC edits altogether of anime characters; and that term is always open to change) I feel like the edits are very common with anime characters, especially considering how popular it is. Reaching to many fans of color, it's reasonable to see people/artists make edits interpreting the race as another, including the fact that black (really POC) people are lacking from anime characters. That being said, anime characters being Japanese, (asian altogether) drawn with ethnic features can be at least brought up in this case. This isn’t too related, but coming from a very light Filipino, I definitely understand both cases. The first time I came across adorable fanart drawing anime characters as Japanese, it was also a very cool experience to see. Like eye shapes included, all that. Anime characters are already asian from the start, thinking that their white is just… what?? And the happy experience can be for everyone, black anime edits of characters can make black people just happy, as long as “Edit > Original” or “fixing” mindset is not there, then feel free dude. And asians features are not explicitly noticeable in a lot of characters; really just names or cultural relations. But don’t be ignorant and believe that pale skin = white; like obviously Asian complexions come in a whole spectrum; !! It’s also in body types and facial features; heavy beauty standards just change that up; News flash, people can be tan and/or mixed!! Wow!! Half my life and still, Titas call me white or pale because Filipinos are commonly tan, surprise!! This is more of a rant, coming from someone Asian; but yeah simpler saying, racebending is perfectly okay. And examples for art too: Asian: herosacademia.tumblr.com/post/179424670691/too-many-scrappy-drawings-too-little-time twitter.com/qantars/status/1390171730224861185/photo/1 www.reddit.com/r/BokuNoHeroAcademia/comments/huth2t/i_drew_the_dekusquad_ig_jennanoelleward/?context=3 Black edits: twitter.com/blkitachi/status/1304127225449648128/photo/1 twitter.com/blkitachi/status/1376091822829752321
Asians are largely removed from these conversations because you kill the two main narratives on race. That's why he barely mentioned y'all in this video. He's part of the problem.
As a blasian person, I think it’s based on intentions. If it’s to represent you due to a lack of representation…go for it. But I see it all the same. It’s changing the race of a character. From black to white, Asian to black…etc. it’s still, at the end of the day, changing the race of a character. Again, intentions are REALLY important here. But I don’t think changing the race of a character just cuz is a valid reason. We do deserve more representation, but as a character designer, I think it’s better to make them rather than rewash what already exists. This is just my opinion of course, and honestly I’m quite sick of seeing it….
Representation really depends on the country, having variety of people of different cultures in a media made in a country filled with people of different origins feel natural. While wanting more dark skinned characters representation from a country with barely any dark skinned people is just forced, and people will notice it. Japan makes anime for japanese in mind, and ships worldwide for people who also enjoy anime that is made for japan. I just dont get why people want japan to make more contents for, especially the west with western audiences in mind with more of their views and representation aligned.
@@JC-xy6mt Exactly. It’s just strange. I would think people would want more representation in shows from the west then, but when I look at most of those shows, representation is actually abundant. It feels like they’re looking in the wrong places sometimes. If that makes sense.
But then again, you're not changing the race of a character if you make those edits. The characters in question still exist canonically with their original skincolor. Making a fan art doesn't change anything about the character itself. These edits are only wrong or bad, if they were made with bad intentions.
I agree it would be better to make new characters in the same universe rather than changing existing ones, but not everyone has the ability or talent to do so. So for them, making these edits is a good option.
@@timvision98I agree with that. It really doesn’t affect the actually character. But I feel like it still just kinda makes you go, but why then-but I do understand it.
@@VeridisJoe i dont see how this commenter is in the wrong, if you want to be equal then accept that what isn't acceptable for white people, example being white-washing black characters, then black people shouldn't be ablt to black-wash white characters.
I have some aspects to touch on this as a Japanese person. I mean no disrespect, but this is my perspective on it. What I say only pertains to race-bending a character, not any of that other jazz like drawing yourself as your favorite anime character or that stupid “it goes both ways” stuff. Alright, anyway, my initial reaction to the first black version of a character I had ever seen was just general, “Man the internet is weird,” type of stuff. I could get how someone would get the shower thought, “I wonder what ____ would look like if they were black,” and make it happen, so I didn’t bother myself much with it. Then I felt the particular discomfort when I’d see people take an Asian character and make them black. Particularly, in the comments I’d see people saying, “It looks better this way.” Of course, this is a retaliation against white people, but the character isn’t white. They’re Asian. Seeing it over and over again, “They look better this way,” would just make me feel really gross as an Asian person. Maybe it’s from this, but I just don’t really like race-bending characters in general, even if they were originally white. Of course, I’m not implying that this is “oppressing white people” or that “white people are becoming oppressed” but I feel there are better ways to express your pride that doesn’t actively put the people around you in an uncomfortable position. And I don’t mean “You’re waving it around for everyone to see!” I mean, I feel involved in this in a way that I really, really don’t like. I don’t like people saying that an Asian character looks better black just because of their own ideals and comforts. The reasonings behind race-bending make sense and are *valid* (I imagined that in an echoey voice) but I dunno if that just makes it in itself alright. Anyway, that’s it. You can let me know if I’m a dumbass or not, it’s cool.
Don't bother. Blacks in america are motivated by a racial agenda, they hate white and asian people because they are insecure about their own lack of success compared with them. They complain about everything being racist and not pandering 100% to their needs, because they want more power for their own group. That's literally all it is.
I agree with you on this, I'm not Japanese like you are but I'm a mix between European and SE Asian. It's honestly iffy if anyone racebends anyone in any way - especially if they are a POC. I get it with characters like Miku, since there isn't any specific canon race to her at all so you can do whatever you want to her, but if they're claiming that Asian characters, who are already underrepresented in western media (almost always being the "smart" one) look better as another race, it's just really weird. I get it if they're white or have no race in the first place and they get raceswapped, but I don't like any other race being swapped.
Is actually pretty rude to change any characters skin colour from their original skin colour. I don't care if it's a "what happens if they were (blank)" situation. It's still unnecessary to change a character's skin colour because you just change the character's skin colour it doesn't do sh*t for anyone
While I used to have issues with racebending, I just eventually learned to just see it as different takes on a character and as an AU version of that character. I feel as if people tend to forget seeing a character with either a different body type or a different skin tone as a separate take rather they they are ruining the "canon" of that whole character's existence, however, the point of an AU is that it's meant to be different from canon and That's what I love most about AUs, it can show the creativity of the person making it.
I know this isn’t really fully related, but “Black” as a race was created by white Europeans, specifically British/French/Spanish Europeans to erase the culture and identity of the people they enslaved. Before the slave trade “race” wasn’t a thing. People just identified themselves with their nationality. The term white was originally just meant for those few European nationalities before expanding to slowly include the rest of European nationalities like the Irish, Italian, and Slavs. Nowadays even some light skinned middle eastern and Indian people are considered white. But you know who won’t be included? Black people. The white identity was solely created to place certain people above black people. Also there’s more genetic variations between two white people than a white person and a black person but idk of y’all are ready for that info yet
I have a genuine question, given your knowledge (sorry it's late and this had me thinking). What do you suggest the best way to dismantle the concept of whiteness is? My idea was to embrace one's actual nationality over being white, like many Irish and Slavic people do. But there's a problem in that plenty with that embrace will still willfully participate in the white supremacist system. Racism, classism, arrogance, ignorance. It all stays even if white people reject the white identity.
@@jako_the_maned_wolf3133 White Europeans absolutely didn't consider themselves the same race as east-asians and most muslims. Unless the OP or you can show me evidence of the contrary, the burden of proof isn't on me
I agree that it's dumb when they call it "racist", only time I do not like a race change is when it panders to a specific people or is to " fix" it. And I agree as well that the "anti-racist" people that call it "racist" ARE THEMSELVES THE RACISTS. For short, something we all agree on.
I cant treat these people seriously, i have seen people who said they are against racism but they go on hating white people just bcos they are the majority. To be not racist is to not hate someone based on race and race alone, having a double standards for race itself is racist. You cant be not racist when you hate a race even tho the race is a majority of the country.
black panther literally doesn't make sense without them being specifically black for what the character represents vs Captain America's race not really mattering outside of certian story lines like Truth Red White and Black anyone could be cap not just Steve Rogers that's the point because anyone could be an America
Someone hasn't watched Falcon And The Winter Soldier. Captain America is a representation of the American ideals held up during WWII. Those ideals are the epitome of whiteness. Iron Man is rich because of generational wealth, capitalism and imperialism. Nothing can get more white than that, c'mon dude.
@@kenshix7902 You could argue with changing values since the 50s and make a new Cap Latin or something, but with Iron Man it would indeed kinda miss the point. Tech billionaires are as white as it can get.
Lmao imagine, captain America but gangster and he carries a pistol sideways while wearing a bunch of American bandanas. Steven rogers is just a super good hearted white guy and he acts super white, nobody has a problem with it. Buut if you made a black cap, he'd have to kinda represent the culture or just be an average type of person personality wise. Doing one or the other is kinda touchy but not impossible.
Glad someone understands the difference between "head cannon" and "Fixing". One is someones representaion of the character, while the other is just "I'm right, you're wrong. I'm smart, you're stupid."
Its scary to think that Luz _really_ couldve come out like that too if Dana hadnt pushed so hard for the representation in The Owl House. I thank god it didnt but seeing those white washed characters made my stomach drop and my skin crawl fr.
when people change a black character to white with blue eyes and blonde hair as a "comeback" it actually just proves our point that whitewashing is done with 100% ill intent (minus amateur artists who just genuinely struggle with lighting)
You can choose to view it that way, but wouldn't that be biased? Maybe just take it case by case and don't let prior judgement cloud your view on people's art. Impossible I know, for me and everyone, but something we should strive for.
@@Jarl_egbert if your just racist say so white people get all the attention poc always were treated differently then white people WE were the outcasters we were beaten down abused and WHITE PEOPLE wasn't white people wanna be involved in everything WHITE PEOPLE wanna take poc cultures they wanna take everything from us when they already had nothing it's not always about white people it's our culture and white people shouldn't try to take it away from us
I'm not black, I'm latino, but I love these vids you make. I think more people should be talking about this so people can understand, cause while there's a lot of racist mfers out there there's also a lot of people who just don't get the difference or why things like these are an issue. Keep em coming man.
@@fabianojeda3078 Yes, it is a race. It's people of Latin American ancestry. Your comment is disgusting for trying to erase an entire group of people based on ignorance you read on twitter.
9:09 He says white people can't have opinions on this subject unless they go through those things, despite the fact that he's so privileged that he's never gone through those things and likely never will.
@@terejosh13 that's kind of ironic coming from you since you have no logical grounding to base your assumption of anybody's, in this comments section or on this particular post, nationality. You're pretty much a shining example of the pot calling the kettle black do usually when that phrase is used at least the pot so-to-speak is actually aware of what they are saying is true whereas you don't even have any logical grounding for your assumption that anyone here is American lol.
@@aisha6949 they have a point. I watched the video all the way through for the first time yesterday and this basically is their take although it's more of it's only okay when you change a white character to a different race but never A different race to a white character and he backs up his logic with a definition he found on Urban Dictionary of all places.
“its erasing asians features” no yall only want them to keep their pale skin , anime characters have little to no asian features edit: yall never saw them as asian in the first place , its giving very much cherry picking for when yall wanna care about asians
Bad way to put it tbh. I wouldn't call it erasure primarily because of Japan (and East Asia overall) being developed but racially homogenized, notably xenophobic, and because of light-skin bias present in Asian beauty standards (which extends to other parts of Asia iirc, India is one example).
My only issue with blackwashing/whitewashing is when people claim to "fix" the character and spred representation, especially when its Asian characters. Because they arent white, they are Asian
@@callyann9921 americans (black folks included) generally just ignore asians or lump them in as "white adjacent" until "poc unity" or w/e is politically useful. Creators like Joe are problematic with how they consume, appropriate, and profit off asian culture/media but don't even care to include them in these talks.
Human beings suck ass; but particularily white anime fans. In lots of other places, you can find some bad bites. I remember the discourse over any piece of literature is a fucking plague; but anime twitter is all bad bites
Oh jeez, I remember the Kiki debacle. The harassment she was getting made me sick. They're called relatable characters for a reason. Anybody can be them.
@@francisfrances6047 double standard. black edits do not make me happy and are low effort compared to actually making black characters on your own or atleast redrawing the character you’re turning black. I do not care.
@@francisfrances6047 both ways are bad, it’s not hard to understand. Staying behind the “it’s because black people have less rep” it’s falling really down. Making black/white edits or HC of a character, it’s ok since you don’t imply you “fixed it” or you look to make other people uncomfortable/ harass people. The problem can be when a big industry changes completely the race of a character (black/white/other) and showing it as CANON, when originally, that character was white/black/Asian/white Latino/etc. For example, Superman… originally he is a white character and everyone know him as that, but now it will be a movie of him dark skinned. And the reverse, would make a poc character like Cyborg from DC, as yt and show it a canon… maybe in a alternative universe, but he is BLACK and everyone knows he canonically is.
@@k0k0dem0n it doesn’t go both ways. wyt ppl already have all the rep they need so taking away one wyt character & changing their race aint the same as taking away from a group of ppl who already barely have rep. plus thats different when most blk edits & hcs are for fun and dont affect said canon character’s already established design
I mean yeah black people are in that country but I doubt they ever thought it mattered since culturally, it isn't really important to them if they include other races or not. Either way, I'm happy to see black characters appearing more and more in anime.
maybe this is a little off topic but those black edits you used for an examples were soo pretty and well-done.. thanks for introducing some new editors to check out and follow !
Dude the reason there are little to no black anime characters in anime is cause half them Mfers have never seen a black person before, like you ever seen a Japanese kid see a black person for the first time they freaking out.
Totally disagree, your whole point is based on the author intentions, like bru not all times you will know the intentions behind 💀 let people paint whatever character onthe way they want, they don't even exist ma brotha
AFAIK, if a char has no reason to be [gender], [race], [sexuality] or another intrinsic attribute? Go for it. Examples: CW Jimmy Olsen 👍 Ariel 👍 L from Death Note 👍(despite the quality of Netflix's adaptation otherwise) In contrast, Mulan *has* to be a Chinese girl, or her whole... *thing* doesn't work.
If you keep the original setting of HCAs story (19th century Denmark) for your version of The Little Mermaid a black little Mermaid would kind of introduce a plot hole. Like, anything more exotic than an Italian or a Croat would have certainly raised a few eyebrows at the Danish court. Of course, if you set your story in fantasy land that issue disappears.
I'm gonna ask the obvious question, then. Can you name any character who DOES have a reason to be a white heterosexual man? I'm asking in full sincerity, since nobody ever seems to give an answer, except racist villains.
@@GSSAGE7 Any historical figure of European ancestry post 1000 BC? Okay, minus the heterosexual part. For fictional characters whenever them NOT being an immigrant or part of a minority is at least strongly implied in the story (general behaviour and power dynamics). Of course, if you change the setting you'd also have to change their ethnicity if you don't want to change the story. So technically they just have to be a native/local, not white, but if it's set in a European country the resul is kind of the same.
Who ever thought that Nagatoro was Black? I just assumed that she was either South-east Asian or just had a darker complexion. Like, Japanese people can be tan.
I mean, it makes sense. If people can white edit a character, why not black edit? Or ANY edit for that matter? I mean, it's just fun at the end of the day, it's not like it hurts anyone. So yeah, i get what you mean.
Because the same people okay with black washing a character have a stroke when a character gets whitewashed and start screaming about how those people should get fired from their jobs
@@mariobadia4553 yeah cuz white people are soooo underrepresented and the characters that they do have in media are sooo filled with harmful stereotypes poor white people 🥺
@@mysmallnoman ok but they are headcanaons and AUs. White ppl always try to say "what if the roles were reversed". Thats an overrated and ghetto statement
I did, and I wish I didn´t. Half of it was the same dumb argument repeated several times. Here´s my two cents: Blackwashing exists, so does whitewashing, they both suck, just make OCs if you want a certain skin color, you lazy cretins.
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Flashbacks to when Thumin got horrifically bullied and threatened when she *dared* to draw herself as Kiki.
ugggh don't remind me that situation was disgusting
Thumin deserves the universe omg
That situation still feel like a fever dream, she definitely did not deserve all of the backlash she got.
Don’t you dare remind me of that 😭
i didn't even know what happened but that sounds horrid asf
poor soul
Spittin’ as usual, ngl
Jakeneutron! :O
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Glad you agree mr jake, love what your doin’
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I think “black-washing” only becomes an issue when they’re claiming to fix the character. Which doesn’t happen as much as people would think.
People always elevate the most toxic elements of communities they aren't in
and usually non-black people see it as fixing which they then do it and it gets blown out of proportions (ie. the knuckles art situation that happened on twitter. a white artist assumed they were fixing a piece and made knuckles black when no one asked even tho they were canonically correct… once again no one asked them to do that.)
@@mawcha exactly it’s a majority of white people talking over colored voices and participating in performance activism.
@@mawcha made Knuckles black how? He's an echidna, in an abstract sort of way
@@Gloomdrake no really. as if i don’t have eyes. he’s based off of my cultures indigenous backgrounds. he was supposed to be blatantly jamaican in va choices as well from what i can recall but this isn’t something new. you can code characters to be of different backgrounds despite their appearances. that’s why it’s more common to see knuckles be drawn/painted as black.
"Colorwashing", in my opinion, depends on intention. Turning a character black or white and then saying it's "fixed" or "better" is racist, but changing color for fun or for pure interest isn't. Art is art.
I share the same opinion.
so true
Exactly! I remember seeing a few edits of the Disney Princesses being racebent and it was for fun. There was no agenda involved whatsoever.
the thing is, you get canceled if you turn a black character remotely lighter
@integrity I'm talking about artists who accidentally color a darker skin color, a bit lighter or "ashy" with no ill intent. Fact is pale skin and darker skin need different colors to work with said skin tone. Pale skin works well with light pink while darker skin works well with darker shades of red and brown. However I've seen artists post work of their poc and people going ballistic because they used a too pale/gray brown and people calling them racist because of it. It sucks because it just discourages them from drawing more POC fanart, especially when the POC community love representation.
Do people forget that asians are discriminated against too? Most of these anime characters are asian, not white. (The rainbow hair is just nice looking. See it as a filter)
lol how are asians discriminated more than whites exactly? please explain
@@cortomaltese7105 Hate crimes against Asian have kinda always been a thing (in America). Notable examples of anti Asian discrimination in America would be the “Chinese expulsion Acts” , the Japanese interment camps during the 1940s, and the recent anti Asian violence due to the COVID virus.
@@cortomaltese7105 they’re a minority in the us too lmao u cannot be serious
@@kaylenwardlow3961 yeah
Asian anime characters who are the product of a completely different animation industry that's already predominantly Asian being exported over to a country and media landscape where big round eyes and pale skin are already considered hallmarks of whiteness are fair game imo. The idea that Black edits of anime characters "take away representation" from Asian people or something falls kind of flat because fully realized Japanese characters in anime don't represent a struggle to be seen and respected like Japanese characters in American cartoons do.
As a poc I personally never saw an issue with changing the race of a fictional character as long as
1. It isn’t done out of spite or to harm people
2. It isn’t forced onto others constantly and told as ‘right’ ‘the only way’
3. It isn’t claimed to be ‘canonical’ ‘accurate’ or ‘fixed’
But that’s just me personally.
question if its ok-
can white people edit characters to make them black respectfully for the sake of representation and or headcanons? just wondering if i can do something like this i would the edits look bomb
@@iffnine in my opinion sure. Like I said before just do whatever as long as it’s not to hurt someone or be annoying about it. Art is simply art and can be whatever. So…. Whatever
When it comes to the (official) changing of a race of a fictional character, I think so long as the race or ethnicity had nothing to do with the story I really don’t think it matters what they change the race to if at all. If it’s something like a book adaptation I might be annoyed by the change but that’s because I’m stickler for book accuracy.
Then why would people go to Blacktober and make edits to prove a point, Specifically send it to Blacktober servers, like it's obvious why they'd do that.
the correct response
“ever heard of chocolate cake ngga?”
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@LAW You sound like a rambling mess 😶🌫️
@LAW Since when is European and German a race? And you’re not black stop.
@LAW didn’t claim I was sir
@LAW „I’m black“ 🧑🏼💻
This isn't meant to be a gotcha or whatever, but most of the lighter skin characters in anime aren't even meant to be white in the first place.
Yeah most of are asians and the shit about them not looking asian what the fuck does that even mean. Stop generalizing and stereotyping asians.
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The same people who keeps pushing us to make more black ocs don't even support us when we do lol
Lol, a recolour isn't an OC though. People want to see original characters, not established characters just suddenly change shade.
@@AizakkuAnalysis OCs don't garner nearly the same attention nor impact as canon characters. white people get to cosplay easily as their favorite characters, even if they're asian. meanwhile black people have a tiny shallow kitty pool to choose from without race-bending.
that's uh... kind of why we do it. lol.
@@AizakkuAnalysis did I say a recolor is a oc? No? Plus I think you misinterpreted of what I said, I'm calling out in those Who wanted black ocs so bad but don't support those who does make original black characters
@@AizakkuAnalysis and regarding to the first sentence, there are artists that do recolors over years in every platform they're on, so if black edits don't get a pass, so as them
@@yunigrimoire Since you brought up the topic, is there any character designers you'd recommend? :0 I'm not on social media a lot because of schoolwork and such aha
I LOVE how the white edits almost all end up blond haired and blue eyed. Like, you're not making the point you think you're making, but doubly so.
exactly- like if your gonna change them to be more " European looking" don't be so basic about it.
Like white washing is already racist but the lowkey Aryan shit they pull with that is like a whole new level of racist
Yeah it's pretty yikes
I guess it's an in for a penny in for a pound situation, because fuck subtlety. I suppose the next step would be drawing them with off brand nazi bands.
Actually, isn't that kind of a thing certain neonazi types actually do with characters they like, dress them up in SS cosplay?
Oh, they're *definitely* making a specific point alright 😐
"But don't worry, we're just JOKING...until we're not."
You know the part you brought up about knowing characters aren't black this is kinda different but. I'm Asian had an argument with someone telling me anime characters are white. Saying the characters in avatar are supposed to be white because they "don't look Asian". Like that feels really ignorant and annoying while drawing a character black it's cool fan art.
I wonder what that person thinks "Asian looks like" especially in anime. their idea of "Asian looks" is likely a racist charicature.
@@foxbuns finally...someone gets it.
I also get tired of white people saying that Goku does not look Asian and that any actor can play him because he's an Alien. They are the same people who would start a protest against a Hispanic Superman or Omni Man. If Clark Kent and Omni Man can look European, then why can't Goku look Asian? The Saiyans are Asian coded. There aren't black or Caucasian Saiyans either because Toriyama said that the Saiyans lack genetic variation so many of them would look the same.
They also keep saying that Masashi Kishimoto said that Naruto is American, Sakura is European and Sasuke is Japanese American. I looked for that Interview all over the Web but I can't find jack. Also, didn't Naruto have stereotypical Asian features in the beginning of the series? Remember how he used to close his eyes like Brock from Pokemon and Gin Ichimaru from Bleach?
Well Japan is pretty racist towards Asian people who are not Japanese, especially towards Chinese and Korean people
Tldr: "It's okay when we do it!"
Nigga liked the comment 😂😂😂 talk about openly racist!
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He hearted your comment. He's straight up admitting that he has double standards
Double standard black man, pretty average nowadays.
@@sandunderrad and now you have made a slight racist remark, or an offensive generalisation
while I can tell you mean well, your phrasing makes you lose all correctness you had, by sounding like a hypocrite
WE DO MAKE BLACK OCS THO. We don’t get that interest. Most ppl don’t support our OCs that are black but we still make them. They’re our babies. Just like our nonblack OCs.
right the same people who want us to make black ocs so badly instead don’t even end up supporting those characters and show no interest in them
@Beatriz da Costa Hella sad how artists can't design a character that is out of the norm without getting backlash.
You want OC content?
Check Youneek Studios, Godhood comics, Black Sand entertainment and especially Comic Republic
@Beatriz da Costa yup it’s ridiculous 🤦🏽
@Beatriz da Costa because for them if it ain't white its political
The idea of people being angry that someone drew the green person as being a darker shade of green than originally makes me doubt my faith in humanity's ability to do good
they did WHAT
Same as someone being angry people drew a green person in a lighter shade of green
Okay that is dumb, coming from a green person here.
@indra prasetyo you good nigga?
@indra prasetyo and I asked....you good nigga?
I’m so happy I’m finally seeing a black voice actually speak on this issue.
int
AKA making a bunch of moronic excuses. Blackwashing does exist because White characters get turned into black characters for no other reason then to be woke and virtue signal.
@@mariobadia4553 or ppl just wanna be creative with their art? 🤷. As long as they dont say that they "fixed it"
@@mariobadia4553 cringe
@@mariobadia4553 Aaaaand there it is.
1. Changing the race of a character in art is fine.
2. Changing the race of a character in art and claiming it is better is not fine.
3. Anyone can cosplay, it doesn't matter what color you are, its all for fun and games.
4. If you want representation make a cool character of your race, without it being their whole identity, like Luke Cage, Spawn, War Machine, Blade, Apollo Creed, Falcon, and so much more. We love good characters, and I don't need him to look like me to relate!
how about i draw what i want
@@stoney7461well yeah but if you draw one thing that is considered "controversial" then people are gonna hate
@@stoney7461Please do. Come up with something original and awesome. Don't just copy paste into MS paint and grab the paint bucket tool and the black colour.
2. No one does this tho. I’ve never seen this before
@@LegulasRS it happens
9:00 the irony is that T'challa actually had a white adopted brother named Hunter who T'challa was genuinely heart broken to have fight because he understood that Hunter was genuinely devoted to Wakanda as head of it's secret police
I love/hate White Wolf with a passion lmfao
Finally someone mentions white wolf lol
That’s in the comics right?
Hunter?? Wild.
@@maninanikittycat4238 yes
Plot twist: the anime characters are mostly Asian not white.
Plot twist: Blasian Characters.
on a serious note though, these black edits aren't being mean to actual Asian characters there's even some headcanons that some characters could be darkskin/brownskin and still be Asian (which actually EXISTS)
I grew up and got bullied in my school for being Chinese, And when I see this it severely disappointed me, Characters are based on mostly their personality traits not their color. Its stupid to fucking see these grown ass adults, Doin stupid arguments on the internet for being a character that isn’t their race when they ain’t even their race either it’s hypocritical. Honestly as an asian. I don’t fucking care how people dress up as the characters who ain’t even their race ITS THE PERSONALITY THAT COUNTS and the UNIQUENESS.
@@itsmiffymel any race could be an Character honestly lmao, But most manga and anime was made in the east Asia so most of the series are asians sadly hopefully this will change in the future.
@@needletea2266 yeah, that's how it kinda is. I'm still glad that there's some few anime characters have able to represent not only East Asians with more brown skin complexion & diversity as well.
Those people only care about the fact these characters are asian when they can use it as a "GOTCHA! YOU'RE THE RACIST ONE BECAUSE THIS CHARACTER IS ALSO A MINORITY! IT'S ALL EQUAL!!"
honestly this proves opening twitter is the equivalent of choosing violence in the morning
I can't convey into words how much white Connie utterly terrifies me....put it BACK
it looks so weird :,(
fr hanz get ze flammenwerfer
And you knows what’s the best part?
This edit was made by black transgender just to show how hypocritical people are
I didn't even know that was supposed to be Connie omg
@@HeyIAmAlex I guess that makes sense. But from a design stand point the edit isn't doing the OG design and justice
i think if it's just for fun, it's completely fine. but if you're sayin something like "oh i fixed them!" is stupid
Agree
Yeah I agree. Or like out of spite. I genuinely think it's alright if people just want to see a character as their own race, just don't be petty about it.
I find black edits really fun. And the details and variety in hair styles always catches my eye. The people that say they're "fixing" don't even try. They just paint they skin black and say "i'm MaKeInG a DiFfErEnCe" when really black people are just doing it for harmless fun
@@kierrablackwell9236 Yeah! I use black edits when I need help designing a character who is black. I do this with other races too, but it's a little harder to find black anime characters.
I should probably start counting the amount of times I see the comment “I’m find as long as people claim they aren’t fixing them!” Vs the amount of times this has actually happened
And there is a very noticeable difference from what I’ve seen
I remember when I was 11 years old and I was really into MLP, I drew Twilight Sparkle as a black girl and bronies got so mad at me 💀
Bronies inclusive until they see a person of color
Lmaoo- but she a pony tf 😭
Odd, I always thought Black Human Twillight was one of the more popular headcanons in the fandom.
@Beatriz da Costa Makes sense to me
@Beatriz da Costa I thought indian too.
Anime is made in Japan, in Japan, most of the population is Japanese, so a lot of the characters are made Japanese which is why they always showcase Japanese culture in some way.
Kind of dumb since they love to have a foreign character, but usually it's white and not black or even mixed
@@miadatenshi9903 So? They are the people talented enough to make shows and characters that you like, and if they like to add a white american or russian its their decition. Maybe because Japanese people like adding white people to anime is due to actors like Ryan Reynolds being what they think of an American, just like how if i say Japanese person YOU probably dont think of the mixed black-japanese person but just a fully japanese person.
@miadatenshi9903 you forgot that Asians gets discriminated by the west and casually erase our culture like we're not black or white, we're completely Asians not blasians or half white half asian
@@keefyboi5307 sure, never said it was the case. We're talking about black characters.
@@opughdyang8264 okay. What's the excuse?
“Get over slavery, don’t let our ancestors control how you feel today.”
Ancestors?? Bro you mean my GRANDMA???
Your grandma was born a slave?
@@jokehu7115 more like great or great great but in terms of generations or even in years, the abolition of slavery and more recently, jim crow, was not that long ago.
@@randomjo5945 yeah that’s more correct the 60s weren’t that long ago but the abolishment of slavery in the usa is a 100 years more so i was “damn thats an old grandma”
my grandparents died before I was born
my great grandmother worked on a plantation, and years later, she brought my grandmother to it to visit it.
Even when we make our own Black OCs, we get hit with the "why are they black?" Annoying.
True, but that shouldn’t discourage ppl. Trolls will exist regardless.
hell,In one of my videos I got a "WHy are YOU black?"
@Beatriz da Costa LMAO I too get confused at my pretty exceptional art ability because I'm black, and black people can't and shouldn't be allowed to art. XD
AHAHAHAH! bro it's crazy because I used to play with a lobby of friends on a buncha of games. They all found out I was black and have ignored me. Or just became very rude.
And the thing is black cartoon characters ARE OCs.. but they whitewash them so theres no win at all in these situations to make black characters
It’s so wild that you’re the only black creator I see talking about this. It’s really sad how many people legit think black edits are not only racist, but convince black people that they are as well. And especially to my black friends, I want you to look at the reaction towards black expression and that of other races. The vitriol towards black creators is far more noticeable, almost as if it’s not the content people have an issue with, but black people loving their culture and expressing themselves.
I think Thumin made a video on this.
And when they try to compare black edits to whitewashing... the action of whitewashing is made solely out of racist intent to cleanse any character of color of their ethnic features because they are viewed as unclean. Plus whitewashing has been used in history too, not just in twitter "drama". Black edits are never made out of racist intent and those who do say shit like "fixed!" are usually just trolls who wanna make us black people look bad..
Plenty have talked about this, but the problem with a lot of the ones who talk about it don't actually address the problem and just end on the "let us do what we want lol" rather than going in to depth like Veridis did
Thumin and Omnia talk about this issue pretty often, Thumin got tons of shit on twitter apparently. Its stupid that people dont look think of/ research the context as to WHY black edits aren’t the same as white ones
I think both white and black edits are stupid. Also I don't think it's a culture, but ight.
Isn't it racist to change the race of a
character because you didn't like the one
they were before?
fax bro
fax ong
in this context, im pretty sure this isnt how it goes. the reason why those artists are making the characters colored is because they don’t get recognition(ex: there aren’t much anime with dark skinned character who actually is animated/drawn correctly).
Yeah
@@sanraii then draw your own new poc characters instead of lazily slapping on a different skin color on an already existing character
The whole blm and alm comparison is honestly a really good point I’m suprised I haven’t seen made before
Because it's missing the point
@@yallaintit what is?
Tbh i dont think so.because blm and alm are big movements that have great impact on country,and color edits is just internet thing.they can have effect as well,but i think you understand what i meant
@@Noone-we9vb oh I completely understand they are different, I meant more just the aspect of “one is done with good intentions where as the other is primarily done solely to be contrarian”
On the whole I’m still not into racebending edits regardless. It’s not that I don’t understand the difference but that doesn’t mean I have to agree with it
Eh, nah…
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Let a man get his sponsor money, granted, I do wish it wasn't a gacha that preys on the weakness of people.
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@@CreationsFlare It was a joke fk face
I’m really disappointed in this comment section and how y’all are treating asian characters, specifically in anime. Yes, Asians can be dark-skinned and light-skinned. Yes, asian countries obviously can have people of different races living in it. And ofc not all anime characters are asians. but to say racebending anime characters isn’t erasing asian features because most anime characters don’t look asian?? What race do they look like then?? what is with this double standard?? “They have whacky colored hair, how can they be asian???” It’s anime, a cartoon, character features are exaggerated ffs. People never give asian characters any respect or take them seriously and I’m sick of it.
The thing is, anime characters are racially ambiguous. The reason White people are able to easily imprint/identify with them is because they don't look Asian. You can't erase "Asian features" Because anime characters don't have them. A lot of anime with a distinct foreigner have blonde hair and blue eyes in order to show the difference. Knowing the characters are Asian mostly comes down to outside knowledge of knowing who made it and the nation the story takes place in. Stuff that generally doesn't come up in most shows. Most people would agree that race bending a character like Mikasa for AoT would be wrong since being Asian is one of her character traits.
@@Space_Burrito yea, it can be hard to tell what a characters race is sometimes unless it’s explicitly stated, that’s true. I’m just frustrated and confused at how so many people seem to not give a damn about asian characters, some even going as far as saying that because Asians have more representation in American media, they haven’t faced real racial discrimination or oppression(I wish I was lying, but I’ve seen comments like that). black people are not the only minority group like hello?? And I’m only bashing on those certain ppl, let’s make that clear. asians feel like a mere backdrop sometimes when it comes to racial issues in the US. oh you guys deal with racial issues? but you have kpop and anime! whoop-deedoo.
@@chickensandwich8828 I can agree with that. It's frustrating how a lot of people speak on the discussion as if it's only Black and White people. Especially when the Pandemic brought more hate crimes towards Asians. And due to the "Model minority" Myth Asians are in a weird position where they aren't seen as minorities, or white. Hispanics are somewhat dealing with a similar situation. Though not as pronounced. But at least the situation for them and other PoC seems to be getting better if only a little bit.
Though I'd bar Anime and K-pop from this kinda discussion since they're not American rep and primarily racially homogeneous.
@@Space_Burrito hey I meant to reply sooner but forgot. But yea I agree with you too, especially with how Hispanics go through a similar ordeal. Also I used kpop and anime as an example just because they are so popular in American media, and a lot of people tend to forget that they are made by countries with a homogeneous, racial population like you said. A lot of Americans will look at kpop and anime thinking “why do Asians get so much rep!?” not realizing that they come from entirely different countries. Like it’s not anyone’s fault that asian entertainment became so prevalent. If we’re solely looking at American-made media, Asians have as much representation as black people, maybe even less.
If it’s still asain then how are they erasing anything
a lot of these commenters just... didn't watch the video, did they
Most likely not.
Literally saw a comment say "well changing a black character to white isn't bad if you're doing it for fun" like broo
I see way too many comments making points that he either made or addressed in the video, so it's safe to assume they didn't watch it very carefully.
@@catsukasa That's literally what he said but in reverse. He is using his own logic.
@@joseleonardofarfanperez2838 yeah man I can tell you watched the video
the problem isn't with changing a character race the problem is doing that and saying you fixed a character
This
Ok now you’re just reaching reaching
Yup
@@steampunksloth0059 how?
@@steampunksloth0059 this is really common to see on the internet... how are they reaching?
I feel like the main reason this gets a bad rep is when artists "fix" characters by making the character black. Then the stigma around that bleeds over into the community that is trying to do a positive thing.
damn i gotta start finishing the vids before i say shit. He literally said that shit like exactly
What also makes it a problem is when an artist makes an original character who so happens to be white, Asian, mixed race but light skinned and then some rando comes in and changes their character completely and claims that they “fixed it”
@@dixiereynolds9909 There’s definitely that to. Like what they did with Uzaki Chan for example. I forget the user’s name though. 0:23 I’m still watching though.
I’m black and ngl i feel like we’re ever going to have racial equality then either “blackwashing” and whitewashing are both bad, or they’re both fine. Saying that one is good and the other is evil kinda undermines the whole idea of equality by stating that this is an exception and not the status quo
didn’t knuckles say that shit
How bout we keep the characters the way they were and make new ones.
@@alexanderi1183 Finally! A reply chain where everyone´s IQ is in the positive numbers!
So true. The people in the comment section are so based.
"I SUPPORT PREJUDICE EQUALITY! EVERYONE GETS SHIT!" - Some asian mofo from the internet
"When you do it I interpret it negatively, unlike when I do it, where I interpret it positively" Sums up the whole video.
yeah
It's hard for people to realize that representation matters when they never had to deal with not having it. I always try to stand by minorities getting rep, but even I didn't know what it felt like til I played Spider Man Miles Morales. Don't get me wrong, I absolutely loved the movie, but I'm Puerto Rican. The game put a lot of emphasis on that part of Miles' life in the game versus the movie, even has him speaking a bit of Spanish to his mother. I couldn't stop smiling, my face hurt so bad! The feeling is crazy and amazing! The game also gets a thumbs up from me cuz there's a quest where you interact with a deaf girl and they use sign language! PWD representation matters too! So y'all got something to say about it? Talk to minority first. Ask questions, try to understand. And if that sounds stupid to you, then we're probably going to be at odds. Spoiler alert; I give no quarter. Peace!
I had literally the same exact experience as you. Agreeing but not truly getting it until playing the Miles Morales game because I could relate to my Puerto Rican culture. The exact same, dawg!
Not for Miles but same here! As a Puerto Rican, the movie was special but I never truly understood appreciating rep until I started reading Bleach and saw the word Abuelo in a manga. It hits really different and it’s awful when people try to take that away
I also didn't get what they mean until I realised how happy I felt when people mentioned albania or greece in media
Really? You were that happy just because she spoke spanish? The language that's not even hours and given to us by our original oppressors?
As someone who's a Latino as well, half Mexican half Puerto rican, I don't care about relationship.
I just want good stories and good characters. Besides, I don't expect people halfway across the country who've never met a Latino before to do a popular representation of latinos. And how would at least don't care about you, that little smile was enough to get you to still go into the theaters or streaming services and give them money, you just felt for me. The way I see all you did was fall for bait.
You basically show them they only have to do the bear bear minimum and that is it. They don't really have to do much to make you happy and you've proven that. Many people have proven that.
And don't get me wrong, that movie was f****** awesome., But just one scene of a guy speaking a different language, that's not even hours to begin with, doesn't really make me happy.
in fact I can care less and even now I still don't understand what the big deal was representation is. I mean I understand why it makes so many people happy. Relatability. I get that. I get relatability. But I rather be related to by my personality before my race.
In fact I am almost feeling embarrassed to even refer to as a Puerto Rican given how f****** brainwashed our people are and still want the item to be part of America as a full-grown State knowing how this country treats the Island and our people. And although the Spanish do not have anything to do what's going on over there in Puerto rico, and I do not hold the sins of the past on the children of today. That is not fair.
But nothing still boils my blood then when I hear an older woman say why don't you speak our language, and I just so badly want to tell them why don't you? Why don't you speak our language? Why are you speaking the language of our oppressors and trying to say it's our language? Why are you praying to the God and the religion of our oppressors?
As far as I'm concerned we can never get actual representation. Cuz what's left of our culture is gone.
What we have now is a merge of what we had left and what was left over by the Spaniards and any of the slaves and other people who came over to the island.
The most representation I've ever seen this up story about a Hood family of Puerto Ricans that didn't like black people. And when I hear s*** like that it blows my f****** mind.
Even more so when I hear people say stupid s*** they want to be pure blood and Puerto rican. There is no such m************ thing. We are literally the most mixed ethnic group in the whole f****** world. We are even bigger melting pot in the US given that most of the people that are actually melted together and become One race of people.
Or like my grandmother who constantly uses the Edward hard r even though she constantly refers to herself as a Puerto Rican black woman. F****** dumbass.
My grandmother not you. I mean I love my grandmother don't get me wrong. But it goes to show how f****** ignorant they are and trust me I have no problem calling it out to their face.
Also as not only a latino, but an autistic pansexual. I don't ever ever ever ever ever ever expect somebody to do proper representation about me. You know why, cuz nobody gives the f*** that I exist.
So if they don't even know I exist, and there's nothing important about them to be fit into their lives, they don't have a reason to understand the Latino culture then why would I ever expect representation? Unless it would fit their story.
I'm not against that, but for me that's the only time it would make sense. If an anime studios decided to represent Latino search for the sake of representation I would just ask, why? And say oh god. Cuz I've seen the past black representations. And, well he already showed us how racist they looked in the video. So I honestly don't give a f*** about being represented by a foreign studio that has never exited their studio, let alone their city, let alone their country.
I'm honestly with the people who say why not do it yourself? Only because in my expectations I don't expect them to do it right or to do the bare bare minimum like I mentioned before.
Heck what are the best examples I can think of is the film gook. Made by a Korean guy, a TH-camr and fat. David so comedy. Well just David so now by his channel name. Now doing a podcast called the genius brain podcast.
He wants to be in a film with some popular representation of Asians and even his specific neighborhood where he grew up in. How would at least didn't want to hiring, so he did it his self. Especially since he knew the Hollywood elites are not going to do it right, they're not going to do cock representation. And according to him and his friends who have tried to do movies and TV shows before, every time they do want to play a character, the Hollywood at least want them to do a completely different accent.
His friend barquan who also has on TH-cam channel called just kidding news, try to do some Hollywood shows himself and once almost got the part to play a Chinese man since he's chinese. But he didn't want to do the part since the directors kept trying to get him to do a Korean or Vietnamese accents. Even though he's a Chinese man playing a Chinese character. he did not want to take the roll cuz they wanted him to do a Korean or Vietnamese accent.
So as far as I'm concerned whatever I would at least do try to do any sort of representation, I immediately roll my eyes way into the back of my skull cuz I already know they're going to try way too hard, or not even try it on and use a bear bear bear minimum and everybody's going to praise them for it. Like give me a break.
Again I'm not saying it shouldn't make you happy, I just find it ridiculous people find it to be disappointed, or at the very least why they would ever ever ever ever expect Rich elite people to give a f*** about us let alone give a f*** about representing us properly.
Especially when it comes to the rich elites, right next to conservatives, are the main reasons why many minority groups will continue to be oppressed and continue to be poor.
But yes, let's be happy clap our hands and give them praise that they jingle representation keys in front of us and we laughed and giggle like a bunch of little kids and we ate it up.
I'm sorry but with real world problems still going on even actual oppressive issues for minority groups, representation and media should be at the bottom of the list in my opinion.
For me that sounds truly like nothing more than a first world problem with how many people are still sucking poverty and are dying because they can't afford health care. But hoorah, somebody's Puerto Rican in the films. I feel so happy, not only if I had some healthcare. Well at least I have health care so, but my grandfather is definitely f***** in a lot of medical debt.
But hey, at least person in the film that we paid for, I'm sorry paid, I meant pirated because we don't got the money to buy it. At least the movie we pirated had a Puerto Rican in it.
Again I'm not saying you can't enjoy that, but given real world issues, that is trivial s***.
@@HK47_115 that's funny you talk about all these world issues and yet you have the time to write an article responding to a comment from a video that literally has nothing to do with those world issues, but about representation. But hey, whatever gets your rocks off, I don't judge.
I litterally saw a SU comic where somebody made it something like:
“Connie my powers developed,I can fix all your ILLNESSES “ and then used his powers to make Connie white and she hugged him LIKE BIT-
WHAT
Seen that with Carol in fnf
Alternate ending:
"See? I fixed you!"
"But... nothing about me changed."
"Exactly."
That was an obvious troll
I saw that. I laugh so fuckin hard.
I don't care what people do with their art. This can also be extended to cosplays, I think anybody should be "allowed" to cosplay any character they want regardless of the character's skin color; if somebody likes the character so much that they spend time, money, and effort to dress as them let them have fun.
Yes exactly, if a black person cosplay as an asian character is okay it should also be okay the other way around and not labelled as white washing and cultural appropriation.
@@feryeltaibi4267 Cosplay's about fun and not accuracy, moreorless.
@@ArbitraryOutcome yes, but what I'm seeing is it's BAD to cosplay a black character but it's okay and empowering if a black cosplayer cosplay as a non black character.
It's either we ban race related cosplaying for everyone or let anyone cosplay what ever they want, not pick and chose.
@@feryeltaibi4267 A seemingly solid rule of thumb I heard on the matter of cosplaying black characters while white is to not do blackface as part of it.
I am not aware of people having a problem with cosplaying, except for when it involves blackface, but with drawn art.
It's the difference between a white artist drawing a canonically black character versus doing blackface, obviously assuming the artist isn't drawing explicitly racist depictions of said character.
@@feryeltaibi4267 Cosplaying a black character is okay as long as you don't do blackface lol. But many people still do blackface anyways.
Whos after the cleopatra doc
Imagine seeing an anime character and thinking yeah that Asian character is obviously white and should only be depicted as white
I mean some of the most popular anime characters ever are white or non Asian
@@MILDMONSTER1234 Anime characters also have natural blue or purple hair... anime characters don't always focus on real ethnicities. They're just flamboyant overexaggeration of people, even the blonde haired ones with fair skin. You have to remember that we can be pale
"They're made with love, theses ones aren't" - YES!
I can speak for the whitewashing community when I say that they're made with love.
@@alexandermadsen7813 stop cappin lmao
@Beatriz da Costa you dont even know half the story of those edits hahahaha. Justifiably spiteful they were
@@RegularFish2 isn't the steven universe edits made to spite the fans, who bullied a girl to attempt suicide over a skinny rose?
@@KingsSpaghetti yes 5 years ago. And to top it off the account posting the edits on Tumblr revealed himself as a black transgender woman, in which tumblr back peddled so hard the inertia flew them out the bike and fell flat on their face. It was a marvel to see
I see "blackwashing" as a problem when all you're doing is changing a character's race/ethnicity just for the sake of representation. Like, I'm all for representation, but do it right. For example, Miles Morales is done right. Sure he's Black/Hispanic Spider-Man, but he's a completely separate character from Peter Parker with his own narrative, even with his own unique superpowers.
I love this! It’s exactly how I feel about this too, make that character someone unique
Yesss exactly
Your basically taking someone else’s representation when you do this
yeah and the japanesse girl too :D even tho im not japnaesse im still asian :D!
AHH thank you.
It's like a bloody practice at this point.
By changing their race they are changing their background and culture which makes up a lot of what the character is.
When people say, it doesn't matter what race they are, then why change it?
@Nazi Thoughts i forgor my comment so im basing this off my memory
Yeah but still, its wrong to change someone, even though they've had a lot of representation, its still wrong to change someone (as in change the character and say it/s should be/canon)
Yes i know anime
I just find it weird how we want more representation yet aren't putting enough attention to the representation our own people have created. I don't expect white people or non-blacks in general to create better representation for me than my own people. We need to put more attention on the movies, teen shows, anime, and original art of Black characters made by Black people rather than going off of things made by non-Black people.
It also seems a bit lazy when anyone of any race makes the character a different race to make them more "relatable" rather than creating a unique, original character who is POC. I have seen some beautiful art and even non-professional art that are unique POC. Seriously, where are the Black characters that people put hours of time and effort into creating with written background information and everything? I don't see much of it, and that's what I want to see, not coloring the skin of existing Anime and cartoon characters dark. It's just a facepalm and sigh type of thing. It's not exciting or motivating for Black Artists like me.
There's nothing wrong per se with coloring a character any type of way, white, black, asian, etc, but as a Black person, coloring them brown it's not ideal representation. I still see a Black Midoriya Izuku the same way he was when he wasn't edited, not as a Black Person with the Black experience, and that's why I wish people wouldn't default to editing characters dark and just draw their own dark person.
We need to focus on supporting original Black artists rather than edits. Again, I don't think it's wrong, but how are we going to get representation if we aren't giving a voice to the people who actually bust their ass for it? Not to mention they face tougher backlash and harsher judgement, but we aren' t doing enough to protect them and help them feel safe on the platforms. Black Artists who hope to make their own animated shows or movies could do great things for the community yet tend to be swept under the rug.
Take the guy who created Cannon Busters, for example. Not a lot of Black people even watched Cannon Busters despite Cannon Busters being created by a Black man. Michiko To Hatchin. Xogenasys. All unpopular Anime despite them having loads of representation for Black people. I'm not sure Xogenasys is even out yet but there certainly isn't hype for it. I don't understand it at all. Where is our pride?
this!!
I may be late, but you killed this! Also, when we hype up shows that represent us, others will see its success and that will lead to more black representation.
You make a phenomenal point and really verbalized the sentiment I was feeling about the edits. They are fantastic, but they ultimately just bring attention back to the source material that already isn't doing much for representation instead of supporting independent Black creators for their own work which would very much lead to more representation indeed. I feel like this is kind of connected to algorithm shenanigans, too because the algorithm simply favors fanart and in its eyes any engagement is good even if it's awful people saying awful things. Original character art isn't nearly as popular as fanart in general and Black OCs are even less so as a result, so Black creators end up having to reimagine characters in the hopes that someone will like their work and will give them a follow; but usually people just ♥the edit, think they are being supportive, and move on because of just how much art is out there in general. You're right. It's going to take deliberate work from individuals and choices they make to go to an artist's profile, see their other work, and support them and their OCs.
Thank you, I was thinking this but didn't know how to say this
They mentioned in the video that you can do both, it’s not like people changing the race of a character is trying to change the world. It’s just fun and for *their* enjoyment, they didn’t really make any of this stuff for you specifically. 😭
“Blackwashing isn’t a real thing!”
*Proceeds to show multiple examples through the video and makes an argument as to why it’s a good thing.*
Sure dude.
The term isn't a real thing it's made up broski
@@Yuirra bro whitewashing is 'made up'.
So is the entirety of human language.
@@Yuirraall words are made up herr durr
@@RankaZer0 if u look up black washing in the dictionary it would not be there the word itself don't even make sense
wont someone PLEASE think of the white people
in my opinion as long as the race doesn’t matter to the relevancy of a character it’s ok to change it the way you want !
It usually depends on the intent in my opinion, like you can race bend whatever character you want as long as their race isn't a big part of their character or if the person doing it has bad intentions
@@airplanes_aren.t_real black panther literally doesn't make sense without them being specifically black for what the character represents this why a Jewish black panther actually worked t'challa specifically chose this man to take up the role while he couldn't for a while vs Captain America's race not really mattering outside of certian story lines like Truth Red White and Black anyone could be cap not just Steve Rogers that's the point
@@tyronechillifoot5573 Exactly. I'm fine with skin colors being changed between incarnations, but only if it doesn't affect the story.
@@tyronechillifoot5573 amen
Cap not the best choice since his movie takes place during ww2 or around that time i think so him being black would be kinda dumb considering time period, but i see what u mean
IMO changing the race of a character is alright if:
-it is done with no evil intentions
-It isn't done by big companies to get more money
-It doesnt claim that the character has been fixed or upgraded by changing their race
and if it isn't done to try and get the moral, and/or political high ground. (IMO)
Changing the race of a character is lazy and dumb, since instead of making new black characters, they race swapped a character that wasn't black.
@@kimberlyscout what if it's done to prove a point?
Fax
@@colindowden2182
I agree. To be honest there is no justified scenario to changing a character’s race. They change it and then call you racist, saying “it doesn’t matter.” If it didn’t matter then there would have been no reason to change the character in the first place.
This is pretty relatable for anyone with LGBTQIA+ headcanons.
@I Am Mandy, Fear Me it's a matter of preference imo, as long as the + is present then you're good to go :]
People get so mad you head canon a character is non binary or gay or trans etc. Especially when it's about anime, it's bonkers.
@@cryforhelp7270 I think it's that people get attached to characters and "project" onto them, so seeing someone fundamentally change the character almost comes off as a personal attack in some cases.
Not saying it's justified to attack the artist, just that there are reasons why people get angry.
If whitewashing is racist then so is blackwashing. Hope this helps!
womp womp blackwashing doesnt exist and isnt boo hoo your poor white characters got edited who cares, white washing comes from malice and actual racism, black washing doesn't. educate yourself
did u watch the video
@@yeee7284 Yes
@scrinkle And all major media that has blackwashing isn't blatant racism? They only swatch the races to appeal to you half brained retards. "Muh representation!!!"Try making your own characters, you greasy fuck.
@@topster888 retard lmao
As a black girl that likes to draw and paint, thats the reason I never wanted to post my art, I fear so much that people are going to attack me just for being black and drawing black characters, i never changed the race/ethnicity of a pre-established character, but i've seen so many hate comments against balck creators, it's scary really
I get that! It’s so terrifying and people don’t even be hiding their racism nowadays 💀 but there are some awesome communities of fellow black people and super understanding people out there that will support your stuff no matter what ! I hope you find that kind and comforting community one day ! 💗
This is how I feel too.
If you scared being attacked in comments - just dont post anything.
If you have acrophobia
you'll never go climbing. so simple
@@moriyamakyon1067 hiding away because you are scared is not a helpful comment nor is it a solution, we’ll all have to face some of our fears someday so it’s best to try to overcome them one step at a time
@@rownie2875 I meant that, if you cannot overcome yourself and withstand the insults without fear, then you don't belong here.
As an option for overcoming newcomers, I can offer to play MMO in + - serious guilds
I’m a white teenage artist/author/comic book writer and like all my characters used to be white and then I thought… is there a reason these characters are white? Frankly, there wasn’t. Most of those stories were set in a universe where racism just wasn’t a thing. So I made most of them into POC. I’m talking East Asian, Latin American, African, African American, Indian, Native American, basically none of them were white anymore. It also gave me ways to expand their character. I have ADD so I can’t focus on shit but I actually sat down to research the cultures my characters came from and asked people online for their experiences and cultures and anything else they wanted to share. Now my formerly flavorless pasty flat characters are a diverse and ever-growing group of dynamic and unique people. I haven’t experienced the cultures my characters have or anything they’ve gone through because of it, being fully European-American, but I’m trying my best and I’m always learning, unlearning, tweaking their characters, and trying my best to create the best representation I can for as many people as I can. White people saying “just make your own characters if you want black characters so bad” are completely ignorant to how easy it is to tell stories for other people if you just keep an open mind and continue learning no matter what.
Btw I’m not saying all that about my diverse characters for internet points or whatever, I was just giving background info for my point. Creating diverse characters isn’t that difficult.
EDIT: Read my replies before replying to this, I explain most misconceptions about what I mean down there!
Exactly my experience as a writer. It does make a difference in feeling, and I'd rather if someone (anyone ever!) Reads it then I'd like for them to get that picture
Any recommendations in where to start ? I am also interested in this
@@hectorrodriguezgonzalez8938 mostly sources by people in the communities I’m representing or character quirks from stories/shows made by the people of those communities. More political TH-cam channels like Wrath Of The Island Bard have some good videos that have things about good representation. I’m sorry I can’t be more helpful than this, I did most of my research quite some time ago! 😅
The story was good till you described white people as "flavorless pasty flat characters". I know you wanna uplift poc representation but putting down other races and features real people have isnt how you do that. Also, the reason why all of your ocs were white is because you yourself are, and we artists tend to first start out drawing what we relate to the most. it wasn't bad you were just in a developmental stage. I think it's cool you research other cultures since that is exactly how you managed to diversify your ocs.
@@ghoztiell sometimes white people like us find white people bland because that’s most of what we see lol. What he said was completely fine. Besides, he was talking about his characters specifically, not the whole race
Im not black, but I really feel this. Whenever i have an LGBTQ headcanon i get absolutly destroyed.
Same here. The amount of times I've seen people cry about the character being straight under some harmless fanart ect is just ugh. It's like, they don't seem to understand that them viewing the character as straight is a headcanon 😳
@@amarimochi depends, if the character is established to have a non-straight sexuality then it feels iffy to do so, if the character has no established sexuality at all then go right ahead ig
Literally!! Like they would go out of their way to be like "oh people only ship it cuz it's gay" or "*insert character here* is straight". Like either no shit that's why it's called a hc, or it wasn't even specified. And then they go on to say that straight is the default so it's assumed so?? Like huh?
@sweet mint YEAH THIS 100% it feels so weird to HC for example a lesbian as straight, like yeah it's just a HC but why would you do that??
Right?? I hate how they’re always like “why do people have to make everything gay” Like the lgbt community is literally holding a gun up to the creators head and forcing them to change the canon
People really forgetting about Asian representation too. Most anime characters are asian since it’s literally a Japanese cartoon. Changing an asian characters to be black is just as bad as changing a black character white.
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edit: I've changed my opinion and grown from what I was like a year ago. I don't think blackwashing exists and if it does it's definitely not on the same level as whitewashing, because whitewashing is erasing rep and blackwashing is done for more rep. I definitely understand wanting to see your fav character having the same identity as you, especially if you're discriminated against irl for your identity. I love black edits and I love seeing people draw pale characters with tanner/darker skin, idfc about "erasing white rep" because that doesn't exist. Thanks for the likes ig
Asians do have representation in anime since almost every character is Asian, correct? What are you talking about
@@skullery5302 You mean Japan, cause Japan doesn't equal ALL Asian countries. And the other Asian countries aren't that represented as much like Indonesian, Malaysian, Singapore, Thailand, etc.
You know Japan isn't the only Asian country right?-
People can be Asian and black at the same time tho
@@beecat97 You mean mixed? Or Blasian? Either ways, it's still wrong. Changing skin color, but not the race, is still wrong. Saying this as an Asian.
@@skullery5302 but don’t you see that’s the point to why colorwashing is so lazy. Japan and other Asian countries created their own representation, they didn’t beg creators to do it for them. In doing so they created a market for their characters and storytelling. The black community has yet to do the same. Why should we demand the same amount of representation from whites when we only make up 13% of population of the United States? And why do we have an entire channel supposedly dedicated to black people but no animation? Heck, we even have an entire continent of us and we still don’t invest in animation in Africa as well. If you want that representation you gotta take a page from Japan and make it yourself. Blacks don’t have that much representation in animated media because we are mostly not involved in it, though we heavily consume it
Blackwashing is kinda sad though because deep down you know it aint canon. Which is why instead of scraping around for representation we should support the black creators hustling out there trying to make their own shows and comics. Also it's kinda stupid to expect the Japanese to cater to US audiences.
They have no problem catering to everyone else. Yall act like black people are only in the US and african american and black mean the same thing
We don't, thats why we are doing it ourselves.. and I do actively support black businesses and creators, I can do both. But most people who make black edits are kids who don't have as much resources to support other creators either.
@@SoulaaniNani FR
@@SoulaaniNani As a black person who ISN'T from the US, I specifically said US audiences because you guys are the ones complaining the most. 🤷🏿♂️
Also, I still think it's stupid to expect other people to accurately represent you and your culture when you can do it yourself, especially now in the age of the internet. It's been done countless times before so what's the holdup?!
@@zazadestroyer333 But when they make black edits, they're inadvertently supporting the non-black creators who made the original character by giving them free advertising of their character.
Also, as a black guy who draws a lot of characters, usually when I draw an anime character that I like, like Deku or Luffy I don't see why changing their race to make them look like me would make me like them more because I like them just the way they are. There are a ton of black characters that I like to draw though like Alan from Ben 10, Abra from Doctor Sleep, Miles from Spiderverse, Lucas from Stranger Things and a lot of other characters that aren't black.
But when I do OC's, most of the time I do make them black because that's usually how I picture them in my head but sometimes they're not black or even human.
The white edits of Korra and Garnet are 100% cursed. Holy shit. Idk how the "editer" managed to make Korra look unattractive. And Garnet? Nah. You can't just whitewash such a badass character voice by an awesome black singer. American Boy is a song that lives rent-free in my mind.
White garnet actually looks good, despite the artist being a complete jackass.
*gets the "unsee" eyedrops*
Saaame
@@cosmicspacething3474 it looks good, but isn’t good
How is garnet even black character? She’s red she’s a literal gem where tf does race even play to her character?
The black edit retaliation is just proof that just existing as a racialized person is political.
frl
But... what if we recast The Avengers as all black?
"my rules are not your rules"
Get that bag king! You deserve it for speaking up for so many people!
Blacks coping about a character that isn't black by drawing them black. Sounds like such a dumb thing to speak on.
@@yesman1517 non-black people worrying about how black people cope… with the amount of representation that heterosexual whites have in media, you’d guess that they would remove themselves from the topic of representation :)
@@theorytime6758 brb gonna go whitewash to make you cry more.
@@yesman1517 okay zach LMAO
@@theorytime6758 blacks are represented everywhere. You really need to stop caring so much, its a false narrative.
"Why don't u make ur own characters instead of changing the race of existing ones." Again, that's literally Black Panther. That's part of WHY he was created.
People say the same thing about LGBT characters lol.
Damn so making one character was enough? Reminder that there's a lot of white Black Panthers, oh and T'challa has a white brother...oh and white African people exist...so really no reason to make him Black
@@solgoodguy3067 that was one of the dumbest things i ever heard.
@@leggoyourego2981 i think it's dumber to accept being pandered to and accepting blatant hypocrisy. What is T'Challa's only character trait? He's African, no really, his character is all about him being a nigga. How is that a good thing? Why are we accepting characters that change nothing, make being black normal, not a character trait.
@@leggoyourego2981 you came with the heat and can't back yourself up, been an hour dude, don't talk shit unless you wanna actually have a relevant convo
"back in my dnd days"
no wait go back, king, tell me more....
As an Asian person, I feel like this is a double standard. Both are equally as bad, period.
edit: I've changed my opinion and grown from what I was like a year ago. I don't think blackwashing exists and if it does it's definitely not on the same level as whitewashing, because whitewashing is erasing rep and blackwashing is done for more rep. I definitely understand wanting to see your fav character having the same identity as you, especially if you're discriminated against irl for your identity. I love black edits and I love seeing people draw pale characters with tanner/darker skin, idfc about "erasing white rep" because that doesn't exist. Thanks for the likes ig
It is completely a double standard. Black nationalism has spread from academia and is causing massive brain rot in the US
Facts
What exactly makes "blackwashing" bad?
If you really understand what whitewashing was and the intentions of that you'd understand how one is okay and the other is not. The "washing" in whitewashing meant to clean dirt. Darker skin was the "dirt", the skin was stripped off of darker characters and changed to pale/white because it was UNFITTING and when there is dark characters non black people always criticize them and question why they're black and then even whitewash them because it doesn't fit what they wanna see. Black people are barely shown in any fictional media, almost every character you see is pale and there's a reason for that. Appearently it "fits" societies wants. All non black people want to see characters that look like them, and so do black people. They want to see characters that look like them that AREN'T racial stereotypes. Most black fictional characters are always racial stereotypes. "Blackwashing" is completely harmless and is hurting no one. And if you feel the need to say "Blackwashing" is bad please do not use AAVE in your vocab because it's black English and not made for you.
Changing races is always bad, end
@@shai17altamiranoanco77 yup
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@@Dutch-van_der-linde Verdi's Joe isnt a gentleman, he is a child groomer.
@@tomkatt8274 I beg your pardon?
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The more comfortable term should just be “Racebending: an act of depicting a non-black (most likely fictional) character as another race, in art or media.” (I’ve seen POC edits altogether of anime characters; and that term is always open to change) I feel like the edits are very common with anime characters, especially considering how popular it is. Reaching to many fans of color, it's reasonable to see people/artists make edits interpreting the race as another, including the fact that black (really POC) people are lacking from anime characters. That being said, anime characters being Japanese, (asian altogether) drawn with ethnic features can be at least brought up in this case.
This isn’t too related, but coming from a very light Filipino, I definitely understand both cases. The first time I came across adorable fanart drawing anime characters as Japanese, it was also a very cool experience to see. Like eye shapes included, all that. Anime characters are already asian from the start, thinking that their white is just… what?? And the happy experience can be for everyone, black anime edits of characters can make black people just happy, as long as “Edit > Original” or “fixing” mindset is not there, then feel free dude. And asians features are not explicitly noticeable in a lot of characters; really just names or cultural relations. But don’t be ignorant and believe that pale skin = white; like obviously Asian complexions come in a whole spectrum; !! It’s also in body types and facial features; heavy beauty standards just change that up; News flash, people can be tan and/or mixed!! Wow!! Half my life and still, Titas call me white or pale because Filipinos are commonly tan, surprise!! This is more of a rant, coming from someone Asian; but yeah simpler saying, racebending is perfectly okay.
And examples for art too:
Asian: herosacademia.tumblr.com/post/179424670691/too-many-scrappy-drawings-too-little-time
twitter.com/qantars/status/1390171730224861185/photo/1
www.reddit.com/r/BokuNoHeroAcademia/comments/huth2t/i_drew_the_dekusquad_ig_jennanoelleward/?context=3
Black edits:
twitter.com/blkitachi/status/1304127225449648128/photo/1
twitter.com/blkitachi/status/1376091822829752321
I'm an Asian too and god this took the words out of my mouth. I always hate it when people think that we're just discount white people...
The way you had put this is just amazing
And this comment is just very well in how you had put in your own words
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This omg 👏🏼
I remember when the word racebending used to be a thing
Thank you for this!!
Asians are largely removed from these conversations because you kill the two main narratives on race. That's why he barely mentioned y'all in this video. He's part of the problem.
As a blasian person, I think it’s based on intentions. If it’s to represent you due to a lack of representation…go for it. But I see it all the same. It’s changing the race of a character. From black to white, Asian to black…etc. it’s still, at the end of the day, changing the race of a character. Again, intentions are REALLY important here. But I don’t think changing the race of a character just cuz is a valid reason. We do deserve more representation, but as a character designer, I think it’s better to make them rather than rewash what already exists. This is just my opinion of course, and honestly I’m quite sick of seeing it….
Representation really depends on the country, having variety of people of different cultures in a media made in a country filled with people of different origins feel natural. While wanting more dark skinned characters representation from a country with barely any dark skinned people is just forced, and people will notice it. Japan makes anime for japanese in mind, and ships worldwide for people who also enjoy anime that is made for japan. I just dont get why people want japan to make more contents for, especially the west with western audiences in mind with more of their views and representation aligned.
@@JC-xy6mt Exactly. It’s just strange. I would think people would want more representation in shows from the west then, but when I look at most of those shows, representation is actually abundant. It feels like they’re looking in the wrong places sometimes. If that makes sense.
But then again, you're not changing the race of a character if you make those edits. The characters in question still exist canonically with their original skincolor. Making a fan art doesn't change anything about the character itself. These edits are only wrong or bad, if they were made with bad intentions.
I agree it would be better to make new characters in the same universe rather than changing existing ones, but not everyone has the ability or talent to do so. So for them, making these edits is a good option.
@@timvision98I agree with that. It really doesn’t affect the actually character. But I feel like it still just kinda makes you go, but why then-but I do understand it.
if you wanna be equal then you accept what comes with it, racism is racism
“if you wanna be equal”
@@VeridisJoe That's what equality is tho. White-washing is considered racist but black-washing is woke. How is that equal?
@@VeridisJoe i dont see how this commenter is in the wrong, if you want to be equal then accept that what isn't acceptable for white people, example being white-washing black characters, then black people shouldn't be ablt to black-wash white characters.
@@waterzoipdid you even watch the vid😭
@@PekMekz Oh yeah. It was retarded.
Your videos are so damn good bro 🔥
yours too !!!
@@VeridisJoe hey what happened to that Rocco’s modern life started cleanin review I can’t find it anywhere is it delete it or did you understand ?
@@isobel9195 his videos are as good as cuties, not good at all
@@VeridisJoe ur video are crap child groomer
I have some aspects to touch on this as a Japanese person. I mean no disrespect, but this is my perspective on it.
What I say only pertains to race-bending a character, not any of that other jazz like drawing yourself as your favorite anime character or that stupid “it goes both ways” stuff.
Alright, anyway, my initial reaction to the first black version of a character I had ever seen was just general, “Man the internet is weird,” type of stuff. I could get how someone would get the shower thought, “I wonder what ____ would look like if they were black,” and make it happen, so I didn’t bother myself much with it. Then I felt the particular discomfort when I’d see people take an Asian character and make them black.
Particularly, in the comments I’d see people saying, “It looks better this way.” Of course, this is a retaliation against white people, but the character isn’t white. They’re Asian. Seeing it over and over again, “They look better this way,” would just make me feel really gross as an Asian person.
Maybe it’s from this, but I just don’t really like race-bending characters in general, even if they were originally white. Of course, I’m not implying that this is “oppressing white people” or that “white people are becoming oppressed” but I feel there are better ways to express your pride that doesn’t actively put the people around you in an uncomfortable position. And I don’t mean “You’re waving it around for everyone to see!” I mean, I feel involved in this in a way that I really, really don’t like. I don’t like people saying that an Asian character looks better black just because of their own ideals and comforts.
The reasonings behind race-bending make sense and are *valid* (I imagined that in an echoey voice) but I dunno if that just makes it in itself alright.
Anyway, that’s it. You can let me know if I’m a dumbass or not, it’s cool.
Don't bother. Blacks in america are motivated by a racial agenda, they hate white and asian people because they are insecure about their own lack of success compared with them. They complain about everything being racist and not pandering 100% to their needs, because they want more power for their own group. That's literally all it is.
I agree with you on this, I'm not Japanese like you are but I'm a mix between European and SE Asian. It's honestly iffy if anyone racebends anyone in any way - especially if they are a POC. I get it with characters like Miku, since there isn't any specific canon race to her at all so you can do whatever you want to her, but if they're claiming that Asian characters, who are already underrepresented in western media (almost always being the "smart" one) look better as another race, it's just really weird. I get it if they're white or have no race in the first place and they get raceswapped, but I don't like any other race being swapped.
Is actually pretty rude to change any characters skin colour from their original skin colour. I don't care if it's a "what happens if they were (blank)" situation. It's still unnecessary to change a character's skin colour because you just change the character's skin colour it doesn't do sh*t for anyone
@@Jarl_egbert lol, what an interesting generalisation... 🤭
@@Jarl_egbert "blacks" I immediately stopped reading.
While I used to have issues with racebending, I just eventually learned to just see it as different takes on a character and as an AU version of that character. I feel as if people tend to forget seeing a character with either a different body type or a different skin tone as a separate take rather they they are ruining the "canon" of that whole character's existence, however, the point of an AU is that it's meant to be different from canon and That's what I love most about AUs, it can show the creativity of the person making it.
Even ignoring the racism stuff, white Garnett is objectively terrible.
I know this isn’t really fully related, but “Black” as a race was created by white Europeans, specifically British/French/Spanish Europeans to erase the culture and identity of the people they enslaved. Before the slave trade “race” wasn’t a thing. People just identified themselves with their nationality. The term white was originally just meant for those few European nationalities before expanding to slowly include the rest of European nationalities like the Irish, Italian, and Slavs. Nowadays even some light skinned middle eastern and Indian people are considered white. But you know who won’t be included? Black people. The white identity was solely created to place certain people above black people. Also there’s more genetic variations between two white people than a white person and a black person but idk of y’all are ready for that info yet
You are genuinely just wrong
@@milesmoore7474 op said nothing but truth.
@@milesmoore7474 do you have evidence to refute them?
I have a genuine question, given your knowledge (sorry it's late and this had me thinking). What do you suggest the best way to dismantle the concept of whiteness is? My idea was to embrace one's actual nationality over being white, like many Irish and Slavic people do. But there's a problem in that plenty with that embrace will still willfully participate in the white supremacist system. Racism, classism, arrogance, ignorance. It all stays even if white people reject the white identity.
@@jako_the_maned_wolf3133 White Europeans absolutely didn't consider themselves the same race as east-asians and most muslims. Unless the OP or you can show me evidence of the contrary, the burden of proof isn't on me
Sane editors: "Wouldn't this be a cool alternate universe with representation?"
Actual racists: "THAT'S RACIST"
Racists are dumb
I agree that it's dumb when they call it "racist", only time I do not like a race change is when it panders to a specific people or is to " fix" it.
And I agree as well that the "anti-racist" people that call it "racist" ARE THEMSELVES THE RACISTS.
For short, something we all agree on.
@@SunnyMitten CRT teachers should be purged
@@tomkatt8274 ikr, they are just racists trying to push that black people are weak and whites are better, that is not the case and we are all equal.
@@SunnyMitten Thout shalnt not suffer a human to live
I cant treat these people seriously, i have seen people who said they are against racism but they go on hating white people just bcos they are the majority. To be not racist is to not hate someone based on race and race alone, having a double standards for race itself is racist. You cant be not racist when you hate a race even tho the race is a majority of the country.
black panther literally doesn't make sense without them being specifically black for what the character represents vs Captain America's race not really mattering outside of certian story lines like Truth Red White and Black anyone could be cap not just Steve Rogers that's the point because anyone could be an America
Someone hasn't watched Falcon And The Winter Soldier. Captain America is a representation of the American ideals held up during WWII. Those ideals are the epitome of whiteness. Iron Man is rich because of generational wealth, capitalism and imperialism. Nothing can get more white than that, c'mon dude.
@@kenshix7902
You could argue with changing values since the 50s and make a new Cap Latin or something, but with Iron Man it would indeed kinda miss the point. Tech billionaires are as white as it can get.
@@Alias_Anybody Then that Captain America wouldn't be Steve Rodgers. It would be more of a mantle instead
Lmao imagine, captain America but gangster and he carries a pistol sideways while wearing a bunch of American bandanas. Steven rogers is just a super good hearted white guy and he acts super white, nobody has a problem with it. Buut if you made a black cap, he'd have to kinda represent the culture or just be an average type of person personality wise. Doing one or the other is kinda touchy but not impossible.
@Tom Ffrench not literally not Black panther was literally designed to counter racist ideas and troupes about Africa and black people
Overall, just leave characters the way they were. No one needs to do any form of race changing
Glad someone understands the difference between "head cannon" and "Fixing".
One is someones representaion of the character, while the other is just "I'm right, you're wrong. I'm smart, you're stupid."
Yessss
Best explanation tbh
Then can I do a headcanon of Miles Morales being white?
@@user-qb3gm4pu2mno???
@@user-qb3gm4pu2marent you tired of rehashing the same debunked talking points over and over again?
Its scary to think that Luz _really_ couldve come out like that too if Dana hadnt pushed so hard for the representation in The Owl House. I thank god it didnt but seeing those white washed characters made my stomach drop and my skin crawl fr.
when people change a black character to white with blue eyes and blonde hair as a "comeback" it actually just proves our point that whitewashing is done with 100% ill intent (minus amateur artists who just genuinely struggle with lighting)
THANK YOUU
You can choose to view it that way, but wouldn't that be biased?
Maybe just take it case by case and don't let prior judgement cloud your view on people's art. Impossible I know, for me and everyone, but something we should strive for.
You're an anti white sjw.
@@Jarl_egbert if your just racist say so white people get all the attention poc always were treated differently then white people WE were the outcasters we were beaten down abused and WHITE PEOPLE wasn't white people wanna be involved in everything WHITE PEOPLE wanna take poc cultures they wanna take everything from us when they already had nothing it's not always about white people it's our culture and white people shouldn't try to take it away from us
@@Jarl_egbert so what? Yall are annoying
This is what happens when you can commentate freely and you think your always on right because theirs nobody questioning you
not looking forward to the comments at all
Ikr lol
Fr, shits gonna be cringy as fuckkkk when *THOSE* comments arrive.
11:09 I'm not against blackedits as a whole, but this looks hilarious. There's a reason why character design is a profession.
yeahhh..
Dude looks like he watched his kid get a D- in breathing class
I'm not black, I'm latino, but I love these vids you make. I think more people should be talking about this so people can understand, cause while there's a lot of racist mfers out there there's also a lot of people who just don't get the difference or why things like these are an issue. Keep em coming man.
Miralo todo pendejo
Latino is not a race
@@fabianojeda3078 Yes, it is a race. It's people of Latin American ancestry. Your comment is disgusting for trying to erase an entire group of people based on ignorance you read on twitter.
@@NomadFlow fuck twitter
9:09 He says white people can't have opinions on this subject unless they go through those things, despite the fact that he's so privileged that he's never gone through those things and likely never will.
So "colorwashing" is only okay when done by a black person.. aii 🤦♂️
People like this tend to think that double standards are okay if it fits their morals.
guess comprehension is hard for yall typical American education
@@terejosh13 that's kind of ironic coming from you since you have no logical grounding to base your assumption of anybody's, in this comments section or on this particular post, nationality. You're pretty much a shining example of the pot calling the kettle black do usually when that phrase is used at least the pot so-to-speak is actually aware of what they are saying is true whereas you don't even have any logical grounding for your assumption that anyone here is American lol.
Did you even watch the video?
@@aisha6949 they have a point. I watched the video all the way through for the first time yesterday and this basically is their take although it's more of it's only okay when you change a white character to a different race but never A different race to a white character and he backs up his logic with a definition he found on Urban Dictionary of all places.
“its erasing asians features” no yall only want them to keep their pale skin , anime characters have little to no asian features
edit: yall never saw them as asian in the first place , its giving very much cherry picking for when yall wanna care about asians
I lost brain cells reading this
@@bruhboat5800 I'm here to tell you it's very much a pre-existing condition. Get checked.
Its always the yts saying it too never the asian who features are being "eRaSeD"
Bad way to put it tbh. I wouldn't call it erasure primarily because of Japan (and East Asia overall) being developed but racially homogenized, notably xenophobic, and because of light-skin bias present in Asian beauty standards (which extends to other parts of Asia iirc, India is one example).
Also dark-skinned asian people exist. Also black Japanese people exist. The bubble these people live in is so small it's suffocating their braincells.
ur so generous bc u didn't even have to make this video it's common sense but ty for giving back to the common-sense-less 🤩
everything in this video is bullshit. it is made by a child groomer that likes cuties, a dn if you support him, you should feel bad about yourself.
My only issue with blackwashing/whitewashing is when people claim to "fix" the character and spred representation, especially when its Asian characters. Because they arent white, they are Asian
exactly... cant believe they didnt mention that in their video...
@@callyann9921 americans (black folks included) generally just ignore asians or lump them in as "white adjacent" until "poc unity" or w/e is politically useful. Creators like Joe are problematic with how they consume, appropriate, and profit off asian culture/media but don't even care to include them in these talks.
@@thfkmnIII this is literally so true you phrased it so well. unsubbed to them after this vid
@@callyann9921 i dont even think Joe's stupid, but he frame a lot of the subjects in such a narrow and tone-deaf manner it comes off as stupid.
@@thfkmnIII exactly like all his other vids seem super well educated. disappointing tbh
People especially Twitter user when black character redrawn as white: "racist"
People when white or asian character redrawn as black: "omg perfect"
Black edits are literally just people having fun on the internet for the most part,,,like why do people have such a problem
We can’t have anything w/o ppl yelling at us
Human beings suck ass; but particularily white anime fans. In lots of other places, you can find some bad bites. I remember the discourse over any piece of literature is a fucking plague; but anime twitter is all bad bites
Mostly, when artist draws black character a slightly more lighter because of artstyle, everyone wish artist kill themself
@@whoknows9085 I love white people
Dont act they are the victims of a "Crazy Karen LMAO XXXDDDD" thing
Oh jeez, I remember the Kiki debacle. The harassment she was getting made me sick. They're called relatable characters for a reason. Anybody can be them.
as a black person, i say double standard.
if one if bad then the other is also bad
and as a black person, one is actually bad while the other one isn’t. thats the point of joe’s video
@@francisfrances6047 double standard. black edits do not make me happy and are low effort compared to actually making black characters on your own or atleast redrawing the character you’re turning black. I do not care.
@@hiiragii i do make my own black characters😁 i also make black edits & draw my favs black because i can & its a fun hobby
@@francisfrances6047 both ways are bad, it’s not hard to understand. Staying behind the “it’s because black people have less rep” it’s falling really down.
Making black/white edits or HC of a character, it’s ok since you don’t imply you “fixed it” or you look to make other people uncomfortable/ harass people. The problem can be when a big industry changes completely the race of a character (black/white/other) and showing it as CANON, when originally, that character was white/black/Asian/white Latino/etc. For example, Superman… originally he is a white character and everyone know him as that, but now it will be a movie of him dark skinned. And the reverse, would make a poc character like Cyborg from DC, as yt and show it a canon… maybe in a alternative universe, but he is BLACK and everyone knows he canonically is.
@@k0k0dem0n it doesn’t go both ways. wyt ppl already have all the rep they need so taking away one wyt character & changing their race aint the same as taking away from a group of ppl who already barely have rep. plus thats different when most blk edits & hcs are for fun and dont affect said canon character’s already established design
I don’t know man, your takes sound very hypocritical.
Isn't the lack of black people in anime because it's from Japan?
I mean yeah black people are in that country but I doubt they ever thought it mattered since culturally, it isn't really important to them if they include other races or not. Either way, I'm happy to see black characters appearing more and more in anime.
maybe this is a little off topic but those black edits you used for an examples were soo pretty and well-done.. thanks for introducing some new editors to check out and follow !
Dude the reason there are little to no black anime characters in anime is cause half them Mfers have never seen a black person before, like you ever seen a Japanese kid see a black person for the first time they freaking out.
Totally disagree, your whole point is based on the author intentions, like bru not all times you will know the intentions behind 💀 let people paint whatever character onthe way they want, they don't even exist ma brotha
AFAIK, if a char has no reason to be [gender], [race], [sexuality] or another intrinsic attribute?
Go for it.
Examples:
CW Jimmy Olsen 👍
Ariel 👍
L from Death Note 👍(despite the quality of Netflix's adaptation otherwise)
In contrast, Mulan *has* to be a Chinese girl, or her whole... *thing* doesn't work.
And its always the yts saying it too not even asian ppl
If you keep the original setting of HCAs story (19th century Denmark) for your version of The Little Mermaid a black little Mermaid would kind of introduce a plot hole. Like, anything more exotic than an Italian or a Croat would have certainly raised a few eyebrows at the Danish court. Of course, if you set your story in fantasy land that issue disappears.
I'm gonna ask the obvious question, then.
Can you name any character who DOES have a reason to be a white heterosexual man? I'm asking in full sincerity, since nobody ever seems to give an answer, except racist villains.
@@GSSAGE7
Any historical figure of European ancestry post 1000 BC? Okay, minus the heterosexual part.
For fictional characters whenever them NOT being an immigrant or part of a minority is at least strongly implied in the story (general behaviour and power dynamics). Of course, if you change the setting you'd also have to change their ethnicity if you don't want to change the story. So technically they just have to be a native/local, not white, but if it's set in a European country the resul is kind of the same.
@@GSSAGE7 Not off the top of my head.
Historical figures could've been bi...
Anything Greco-Roman has probably done it in multiple forms...
Who ever thought that Nagatoro was Black? I just assumed that she was either South-east Asian or just had a darker complexion. Like, Japanese people can be tan.
From what I know shes not.just a darker skin tone.
I mean, it makes sense. If people can white edit a character, why not black edit? Or ANY edit for that matter?
I mean, it's just fun at the end of the day, it's not like it hurts anyone. So yeah, i get what you mean.
Because the same people okay with black washing a character have a stroke when a character gets whitewashed and start screaming about how those people should get fired from their jobs
@@mariobadia4553 yeah cuz white people are soooo underrepresented and the characters that they do have in media are sooo filled with harmful stereotypes poor white people 🥺
@@neetraptor ok but that doesn't excuse black washing, and representation isn't the issue at hand, it's that race bending sucks
@@mysmallnoman ok but they are headcanaons and AUs. White ppl always try to say "what if the roles were reversed". Thats an overrated and ghetto statement
@@mysmallnoman bruh shut the fuck up you don't know what you're talking about
Wow the mental gymnastics you had to jump for this to make sense was crazy
Why do all the white edits give them blond hair and blue eyes?
4 chan trolls
Neo nazis
It's a popular trait to have blue eyes and blond hair.
@@tyronechillifoot5573 what the f*** does having blond hair and blue eyes have to do with the Nazis
I always thought people used the "this is black washing!!!" As an exuse to be racist
I mean yes, you are right
Ppl in comments literally didn't watch the video like at all 😭
I did, and I wish I didn´t. Half of it was the same dumb argument repeated several times.
Here´s my two cents:
Blackwashing exists, so does whitewashing, they both suck, just make OCs if you want a certain skin color, you lazy cretins.
I watched the video and it was nothing more than poor arguments to justify double standards and racism
@@perfectlybalanced8995where does he in this video justify racism…? like to who exactly? cause it’s not white people please be so serious
@@perfectlybalanced8995 literally tho