SoA - Meat Grinder Showcase
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 31 ม.ค. 2025
- DM Chris Perkins tries to kill off a rotating cast of players in the debut of Meat Grinder Mode, an optional deadlier challenge mode in Tomb of Annihilation. Players include: Joe Manganiello, Abe Benrubi, TrumpSC, Vieparlafoi, Elaine Chase, Rachel Seeley, Erika Fermina, Adam Bradford, Suzanne Wallace, Doug Davison, Thomas Foss, and Jon Ciccolini.
watching Joe Manganiello's expression every time they make a dumb call is priceless
No one had much of a chance here but congrats to Rachel, Joe, and Abe. MVPs in damage, survivability, and creative thinking respectively.
Chris Perkins is a cruel, cruel man... I love him.
He's such a savage here lol. I don't think they stood a chance.
This not even close to what what WotC used to do at sanctioned official RPG events. They had Tournament Modules that were specifically designed to kill as many player characters as possible. Kind of like Hardcore Mode in today's video games like Diablo 3 and such. This "meat grinder" rule is lame. Even AD&D was tougher on deaths than this. It didn't even have death saves.
It's what the game is now, and believe it or not, it actually works well in play. Give it a try before you nay say it. And, in a home game, most of the rules are optional anyway, so you can get rid of death saves if you want to.
ThaBadayuss The anti-healing effect was the real hard mode mechanic here, everything else was manageable if not exceeding difficult
I got the chance to playtest a 4th edition "Hard Mode" module many years ago with him as the DM. We got TPKed. He signed my Player's Handbook and the pregen character sheet and was really awesome to talk to about D&D and other things.
Im having trouble picturing this melee where 12 cyclopes are attacking a clustered party of heroes, but all these 30',40' and 80' cones and cubes of effect only ever target 2 enemies at a time. I cant help but think with minis or some sort of battle map itd be almost certain the players would be able to target more, especially using their movements to angle, flank, and fall back to maximize the amount targeted
I suppose this is a drawback to the theater of the mind mode of play, and I definitely agree with this aspect.
Jon P I think it would rather be crowded perhaps even over crowded on the spire....
I understand. I was taught to be generous with attacking multiple creatures at once. I think his justification was, it's Giants. But maybe he made a mistake forgetting the larger scale of the spells should be considered.
The GM fix was in. The PCs got very little time to react before the cyclopes were on top.
the tearing of paper is music to papa Perkins ears
Joe's Macho Man is the cream of the crop.
DrossPedantic he dropped that elbow from heaven and stopped the rapture lol
It was spot on!
Ohhhhhh Yeahhhhhhhhh!
THE TOWER OF POWER TOO SWEET TO BE SOUR!
and the cream always rises to the top! CUP O' COFFEE!
The look on Chris's face when he rips up character sheets is priceless! "oh this one is hand written? I'm keeping it." Lmao
This didn't really show the lethality of the meatgrinder rules so much as the lethality of 300 foot drops.
And the lethality of putting a party up against what's honestly too many powerful enemies at once.
Shaharazad221 isn't that the core concept of a meat grinder?
I am fan of these 1H30M episodes. KEEP EM COMING!
Come on, Witch Bolt, all the Star Wars references, but against a Cyclops no one wanted to say "You'll pay for your lack of vision"?
Eye of Caramba! Lmao.
2 mins in "The Eye of Caramba"..... *slow clap* Well played Perkins... Well played... *pauses to hit like button*
PewPewLazehs i have to admit; I did just that.
I laughed for longer than I probably should have.
Really enjoyed this. Very watchable. Perkins did a good job dm'ing this "one-shot" I particularly liked the dragonborn sorcerer.
Richard Milton I was sad when he died. gonna make him an NPC when/if I run Tomb of Annihilation.
The look of ecstasy on Chris's face as he tore up the sheets was classic.
What killed the dinosaurs? THE ICE BREATH
A RaptureRaven ice to meet you!
Chris Perkins, DM since 1978 (when he was only 11 years old).
I've never played DnD, only ever watched the Penny Arcade games, and a few random channels play on youtube. I gotta say I really like this meatgrinder format.
If Grog Strongjaw were here, he'd be trying to push these Cyclopi off the spire like there's no tomorrow.
Mister Grim hell ya! He would slam those gauntlets together and wreck shop lol
And then probably shapechanging into a red dragon and laying down some serious violence.
Tiiiiiiger Uppercut
The funny thing is, the "Meat Grinder" rule actually helps in this case. when somebody goes down, the meat grinder rule ensures that they die faster so a live body can come in and replace them.
Nothing about this format made sense. But Randy the Savage was loads of fun anyway.
I'm getting such a kick out of Abraham Benrubi being here. I grew up watching that silly "George of the Jungle" movie and remember his role in particular.
Chris Perkins is in his prime! (Also Joe's D20 is amazing haha)
I must admit that watching Chris Perkins rip those character sheets was cathartic.
Anyone else notice the broken pixel on Abe's head when they do the group shots? Or is that just me going crazy?
It was annoying me the entire time.
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This is totally brutal. i love it.
pass without trace after initiative is rolled.... what?
Brian C that’s what happens when you just throw a character sheet at some one
@@oopsiepoopsie2898 No that is what happens when you let people who don't know magic to play magic users. Using magic means you get homework. To be good at it you need to know what the spells do.
1: If the player doesn't know the spell thay are using, yes this is a botch that is easily rectified.
2: If any rogue/ranger pulls one of these, remember their name, they'll be back for your gear if you die.
Didn't Chris say that the orb continued rolling and fell from the pinacle to the other side of the half orc cleric meaning that the entirity of the last 40 minutes couldn't happen as all of the new players would have appeared below with the half orc cleric? At 1:06 they state the dragonborn missed and that the cyclopes clapped then awwed that the orb rolled off and the cleric asked if he saw it so how did the cyclopes suddenly have the orb ready and waiting in their fingers when the new cleric arrived thus stopping him from healing the downed players?
joe's randy savage impression is spot on
50:01 I never imagined ripping paper can look so monstres :D
Joe Mangainello is not only a Wrestling fan but actively plays D&D...nerds are awesome!
This is a showcase of the meatgrinder rule in the tomb of Annihilation. But a better way to do this sort of thing is to charge the PC with the damage they took. Anything puts them at below -10 means they are dead before they hit the ground. No save. If they are above -10 but below 0 they have that many rounds to be healed before they die. So if you took a hit that put you at -6 hp
you have 4 rounds before you die. If someone can not get to you and heal you your dead. No save needed.
Every time Chris mentioned the roc, I was waiting for Joe to ask, 'Can I roll perception to see if I can smell what the roc is cooking?'
Randy Savage XD. When the big bird enters, there should have been a loud voice saying: "If you smell, what the Roc is cooking"
.... isn't a blue dragonborn lightning?
Dragonborn can have any draconic heritage.
Despite being called "Dragonborn" they aren't directly connected to dragons.
Dragonborn in turn can have any colours and any breathweapons;
in fact, a Dragonborn being a "pure colour" like dragons is rare,
most Dragonborn are "off-colour" with brownish reds, greyish blues, yellowish greens and-so-forth.
So a Dragonborn of one colour having heritage of another is not strange at all.
It is, but there's no reason to follow that EXACTLY.
This one, could be some icy color.. Like the color of those candies! To say it in the language of the web: something like #e6ffff
The Eye of Karomba? -_- Chris pls
RIP that one dead green pixel
why did nobody laugh when they were looking for the eye of korumba!!!!! come on people
I'm kinda confused by the "Palpatine" Witch Bolt that was thrown... it caused 6d12 damage initially and then caused another 6d12... did I miss something? Or was that something that people missed about that casting? Not that it's a problem since everyone seemed to enjoy themselves, even when being thrown down to their death ^^;
Six players!? Thats like an adventuring party army!
Did that dragonborn sorcerer dude once star in an episode of the X-Files involving a suburban golem?
42:38 Big Dice Richie showing off his gigantic red... blinking D20 :P :D btw do somebody know where I can buy such a thing? :)
"They see me rollin' - they hatin'.." - I would really like to show off with a D20 like that :D
This doesn't really show how meatgrinders work as opposed to how many people die when you arbitrarily nerf clerics so they can't heal anyone.
Tactically speaking, they needed an assassin to round this out. Even a Shadow Monk, someone with good evasion skills and the ability to apply finishing damage while the Barbs "pulled threat", as it were. I know it's supposed to be unwinnable, but I would have liked to see some attack plan variance.
Where I can find this awesome D&D black mug ?
How many attack actions does the cyclops get to be able to grab a PC and then use him as a weapon to attack again in the same round?
They were loose with the situational awareness. One cyclops had headed back down. One was in a Sleet storm. one elbow dropped and was then prone. The sleet storm should have affected attacks across the area. The players need to track monster placements better. What happens without at least a sketch with iccons to keep track.
Realistically, not sure there was any real need to make death saving req a 15, other than making sure some last one or two players would get to the table, if that...
Not to be "that guy", but the half-orc cleric shouldn't have survived that fall. "Relentless Endurance: When you are reduced to 0 hit points but not killed outright, you can drop to 1 hit point instead." 120 would have brought him past negative hit points.
I'll just bandwagon on your 'that guy' and mention that the two cyclops who saved against Shatter should still have taken half damage
True. I know Perkins was juggling a lot of balls in this, it felt more like the half orc cleric player was twisting the intention of the rules and just snuck one past him. Shatter felt more like an honest mistake.
Yeah, but 5th did away with negatives, made dying solely based on death saves rather than negative hit points and stabilizing. Otherwise, you would be correct.
Not so, "Massive damage can kill you instantly. When damage reduces you to 0 hit points and there is damage remaining, you die if the remaining damage equals
or exceeds your hit point maximum." pg. 197 PHB
Which at 120 damage and a 6th level cleric, it probably would
this is the kobayashi maru of d&d games
Really enjoyed this. I'd love to see Joe in some more live games.
Steven Waters Wish granted. He guested on Critical Role and was part of Force Gray Season 2
Whole Force Grey, and the epic finale of Critical Role Season 1 :)
How did the cyclops climb 200ft in one movement action? They climbed 200ft but could still attack? Are we just ignoring the movement rules and penalty to climbing speed?
27:49 "is that all you got Perkins?"
Chris Perking says They have been huntting the "Eye of Karamba"...
lmao "haykaramba!"
Oh yeah so excited!
I watched Trump for years and for some reason it only now dawned on me that his name is Jeff. Even though I read it on his Twitch profile.
Dm forgot to attack with 4 cyclops on round 1. Guess he did not want to down 5 players in the first round, and forgeting about them was intentional.
... and now the survivors should actually PLAY a streamed game with Chris Perkins!
Didn't think i'd click on this video and see trump in it.
So like what happened to three that survived?
They get to live in a jungle until they die.
Liam i give it 2 hours chult is hell literly the plants are cr 10
Love it !!
I missed it , but what level are the characters ?
53:27 Im just going to say it... mega powers was Hulk Hogan and Macho Man xD
Did Chris ever roll anything lower than 15? I wish my characters would role that good consistently.
That was awesome!
I love how Erika Fermina believes in "dice creep" (as do I)...always turn those dice with the max value facing up!
I wish I could tear up my PCs sheets! Alas they're all digital... haha!!
was the slowed giant gone because slow and sleet storm are both concentration spells
Oh it's Jerry from ER lol. I miss that show.
Opening with "Cyclops on Rocks"!
i am fine with those rule's i am a past shadow run c and c character quest player and i also played a game called shanarie when i was kid with friend's and we made hour own maps and character of course. also i would pay good money too play something like this post again.
What was the point of keeping the downed players up if they couldn't be heal and brought back into the fight?
I may have missed it, what level are the PCs? I have a rough idea judging by the ability and spells but not 100% confident.
Randy the Savage, The Eye of Caramba
this is a very Pun-ishing game isn't it?
Anyone found the dice set they are using, for sale? I want those Black and red with the D&D logo 20.
A cleric with spare the dying negates the 15 roll anyway.
I thought I remembered that guy Abe Benrubi... I remember him from Parker Lewis cant loose!
And from ER
Vonargandur Kubiak!
What're they using for character sheets at 11:28?
i think those are the pre made character sheet layouts from the wizards site?
dnd.wizards.com/articles/features/character_sheets
Why did she cast pass without a tracd in combat???? !?! She never play a druid hefore?
57:06 and as an arriving healer this would be the point I would trow that item off the cliff getting rid of the cursed item :D
~ role play
How does an elbow drop do 34 damage? I'm asking because I want to understand.
Very large elbows.
it's 5th ed nothing makes sense but it keeps the players from crying.
So that's an optional rule I won't be using.
Man, these players seem determined not to work together. I don't really feel that bad for them. Group up, protect the casters behind meat shields. and focus fire. I know that this was supposed to demonstrate how hard the meat grinder rules can be, but it really just showed how quickly players go down if they don't work together.
Meat grinder sounds like a big deal, but it's not. If you let somebody take 3 death saving throws before healing them, your party is awful. Usually when characters die in 5E it's either because someone rolled a nat 1 on a death saving throw, or because the creatures decided to autocrit a character that is already down. Either that or a TPK. So 10 or 15 for the DC of the death saving throw really doesn't make a difference.
To be fair, the healers did attempt to prevent the deaths but the orb prevented their preventions. It was like watching a Nope card being played on a Nope card in exploding kittens
Death saves on a 15 is barely a difference in D&D. I bet not a single person dies to failed saving throws without either rolling a 1 or getting hit while they are down. 3 rounds (or more) of being dying on the ground without getting a heal is very rare. Especially with a medium level party that has access to healing word.
Nice DM'ing (of course)
how do I get that job, that I can play test campaigns.
Why does everyone not know their class!?!? At least Randy helped out.
other then this being a 1 shot pick up game on short notice. I could only take a guess and say its because the players picked classes they were not already familiar with rather than going with one they actually knew something about.
Randy the Savage must have had maxed out charisma.
Look at Perkins at 49:59! I'm now sold that he's a maniac lol
Edit: and again 1:16:40! 🤣
Just saw that Asian guy in a Stream Fails video, who is he?
Trump known for streaming Hearthstone on twitch
Aye, carumba! Are you shitting me?
Archfey Warlock, take the Eye, use Misty Escape and don't attack or cast another spell. Invisible for the whole game. Winrar.
Of course Perkins would still kill everyone anyway haha.
Chris "Satan" Perkins is perfect
Such a short dnd game i wonder what story they are playing.
Oh..
Lol, first death is 25 mins in. this is great.
this video should not be first time experience to anyone lol was fun
What level are they, I didn't catch that?
They never said.
Darn, I was hoping to glean how often a character suffered half their hit points (massive damage) to see how often it came up!
6th level
What level are they playing at?
OMG, it's Jerry!!
Forty foot radius means 80 ft wide!!!
damn meat grinder mode is the hardcore dnd insane mode
more exp more bonus loot drop and more chances getting killed in battle so u can go rage quit and death save is harder making u stay alive roll 15 or better and worst if u roll 1 on death save automatic 2 strikes on failed death save so brutal and so savage
Not really, the only reason players were dropping here was that A) they were outnumbered 2-1 by enemies that could likely solo a player each in opportune circumstances, B) the players did not work together well while the enemies did, and C) the players were prevented from healing by an artifact.
In normal circumstances, players would drop, likely fail one death save, and then be popped back up by a cleric since there are no negative hp. Not really that much different than how normal death save scenarios unfold. Just adding negative hp into the game makes for much more of a challenge than bumping up a saving throw that's hardly ever used by 5.
The secret to Chris' legendary DM skills isn't his ability to tie together the story in a believable fashion, it isn't the ability to describe everything that happens really well, it isn't his great ability to turn the players into the stars of the show.
It's his grin.
what level characters are we playing here?
6th
I just started playing for the first time ever, but with coworkers last year. Our DM doesn't give us an intro, but adds to story as we play. Explains why my fmr coworkers put us in such bullshit scenes of Do You WANT Us To Die?! WHY Do We Have To Go THERE?!?! I mean, its frustrating, but funny, so 💁