Every Johto Pokémon Game Freak Forgot
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I made a weird error in this video and said Shadow Lugia was introduced in the same gen as Lugia, something I know clearly not to be true. I am befuddled and ashamed, but you can make me feel better by buying merch hahahahahaha mandjtvmerch.com/
Even if you made that mistake the rest of the argument still holds, that form can't be used in other games
Hahaha
Typhlosion should get a mega and g max cause it's the best
Bruh
No, you suffer in your foolishness. I shan't but your merch. Also, I can't anyway since I don't get paid for another week
Idea for Xatu evo:
Xanatu (based off the concept of Xanadu, but following the naming convention of its pre-evs)
Ghost/Flying
After having gazed into the future for so many years, it was finally able to peer into the afterlife. What it saw was so shocking, this pokemon passed away due to shock.
Reminds me of how Gothitelle will have visions of how the universe ends and just casually shares them with other Pokémon. xD
Cool concept. Kinda like annihilape who got so angry that he died
Wouldn't Ghost/Psychic be better assuming that it's not a bird anymore?
THANK U THANK U THANK U THANK U IF THIS HAPPENED IT WOULD BE FOR ME THE SAME REACTION OF ANNIHILAPE
It's worth mentioning Unown did get a buff in Legends Arceus by changing how Hidden Power worked. Now it's not just one type, but it picks a type the opponent is weak to. That's a pretty giant buff, considering that's Unown's only move.
And then Hidden Power was restored to its original functionality in SV
@@MaxWelton Non-existence? AFAIK it's not in SV at all.
Spiritoumb.
@@areallyshortbrontothere No Pokemon has Hidden Power in S&V. It doesn't even work if you were to transfer a Pokemon in, currently.
Amazing how much PLA fixed
"[Xatu] has never been a favourite of mine"
What a coincidence, it is my favourite Pokémon out there. A shame that it is catchable almost nowhere and has no role in any team. It needs something cool.
To be fair, you get sudowuddo before the 4th badge, so to have a snorlax level Pokemon before that would be overpowering.
You can get Snorlax with only 3 badges as well in the Kanto games.
@@FlyGli1 good point
@@FlyGli1 Not even 3 badges. Just the Boulder and Cascade badges are needed.
@@SSBBPOKEFAN Crazy!
I want to respectfully disagree on Wobbuffet, depending of whether or not we count them as neglected from Gen II or Gen IV onward. Usually Abilities shouldn't count since every Pokémon under the sun got one in Gen III, but I want to argue that receiving Shadow Tag was all the attention Wobbuffet would ever need. EVER.
I know you mentioned the fairy typing, but I think granbull should get more. It’s stats are… fine but they could be better and I personally like granbull and would like more love for it.
Add fighting type to it and boost its stats. Too many new Pokémon getting power boosts while the og Pokémon doesn’t get any love.
Baby forms shouldnt prevent pokemon from having higher tier evolutions
I know togepi line already got togekiss, but I would love to see them get regional forms.
Also slugma is likely my favorite fire type so I seriously hope it gets something new.
Baby Pokémon should count, the videos title is ‘the johto Pokémon game freak forgor’ not the ‘johto Pokémon who haven’t gotten direct upgrade Pokémon’
I remeber the absolut nightmare that was Smeargle with Dark Void in gen 6.. im glad that he does not get any upgrade
ABSOLUTE IS SUPPOSED TO END WITH AN E!
If ledian had good stats it would probably be one of my favorite bug types
I don't see don't think the legendaries are an issue, especially Lugia Ho-Oh for 2 reasons, 1 I... don't know what you could do to them honestly, they're fine as is and for that reason is also reason 2, Lugia itself. Lugia most likely will never get messed with outside its color pallete swap in Shadow Lugia, because it messes with a unique Pokemon, a Pokemon that hell wasn't even intended to be in the video games, the creator of the 1st 3 movies, intended Lugia to be a movie exclusive, and to mess with its unique design, I think may seem like a dishonor to the company after his passing... this sadly also would mean Ho-Oh would be shackled and get nothing because of this. However again... like what do you do to them? They're not unique like the clone Mewtwo, they're not prehistoric like the weather trio or Gods like the creation trio, look at Arceus who people kept thinking would get a new form, but didn't. There just isn't that much you could build off of them outside of oh one's evil now or something, 1 is a special little child in the company's eyes the other a Phoenix, the whole point of a Phoenix is if it dies it is reborn, same Phoenix. So it having a primal, mega, Paradox, or any form just... doesn't seem fitting. These 2 I think are just untouchable out of all the legendary Pokemon, they have their roles in the universe, they fit them fine as is, and to mess with Lugia's design that was specially created, a sin.
At least that's what I think... I could easily be proven wrong, especially when the company has shifted director hands a few times since HGSS or even GSC. I don't know if I'd be upset, if it turns out bad, yeah I'd be upset with a new Lugia form... but can't deny I've dreamed about a water dragon mega Lugia before.
johto as a whole is forgotten and its pretty sad.
15:19 also giving Shuckle an evolution means that Shuckle will be able to use an Eviolite, making it's defenses even more insane
Oh god
tbh....Shuckle is purely a wall and that's it, it's defensive stats are astronomical....and then literally everything else is bad
Yeeees 😈
@@bulborb8756 It's also a hazard setter.
I want a shuckle evo now
The mega evolution not coming back anytime soon comment didn't age well lol
Meanwhile legends ZA
Legends ZA: *’Welcome to the gates.’*
😂legen ZA right now
That’s aged well
Mega Jumpluff coming soon
Personally, I've had an idea of Octillary evolving into a giant pirate ship that's also a giant squid, with canons under its suckers. I gave it the water/steel typing, and named it Kalarmada.
Oh my god, that name is absolute perfection. I'd love to see this officially
Honestly, Dhelmise would be much more suited to have a pirate ship evolution
I think it would fit better as Water/Steel
K A L A R M A D A BABY!
DO NOT GIVE A POKÉMON WITH MOODY AN EVO
I can actually see Sunflora's potential to evolve. I'd like to imagine Sunflora's evolution being a Grass/Fire type because it's a "sun" flower. Kinda like if Volcarona was a flower.
I highly doubt Sunflora will ever get an evolution, concidering it's a stone evo, and so far they have all been final evos.
I don't know how stone evos would be able to evolve further unless GameFreak introduces a new fancy hyper-stone evolution method or such.
But if such a method were to be created in, say, gen 10, Delcatty DESPERATELY needs an evolution as well, being the actual worst stone evo, even worse than Sunflora, at least imo, idk if some genuises have figured out a way to make Delcatty pseudo-OP in some way while Sunflora is still just playing hide and seek in plant pots.
@@Rubywing4 and why not both? There plenty of unexpected evolutions gamefreak did. Like people barely expected bisharp end primape to evolve.
@@Alouette_EXE The thing is, the new unexpected evolutions were on mons that either have no evos or evolved through level-up, not stone evos.
Not sure what you mean by "both", if you mean Delcatty and Sunflora, I mean, I never said either needs an evo more than the other, they both need evos desparately.
I'm just saying, Sunflora has pretty good Sp. Attack but bad everything else, while Delcatty has bad stats across the board, the only good stat being its speed at 90, which is only decent.
@@Rubywing4 well i mean both Delcatty and Sunflora. And it doesn't matter if Sunflora is a stone evo or it has a high special attack. Gamefreak always has different weird mechanics on how to evolved certain pokemon and it is still a fact that Sunflora is a first evolution so it still has a room to evolve.
@@Alouette_EXE I know it has room for an evolution, I'm just doubtful it will get one because stone evos so far have never gained an additional evo beyond pre-evos, which has not helped their case at all.
But hey, who knows? Maybe GameFreak will surprise us with breaking their unspoken rule of stone evos in future gens.
I’d love to see Lanturn get a regional variant that’s Ghost/Water, having it be a guide for the souls of people who die at sea. A regional evolution on top of that would be awesome too.
game freak needs to hire you asap
Maybe in a Greek region! As the farer to the underworld!
@@dontnswerthat for real.
@@dontnswerthat I said that EXACT same thing when I read Leviathan's comment 😂😂 that idea is so sick
since its based of an angler, give it shadow tag or name it differently but same effect.
They could name it lure or something.
basically enemy pokemon is lured in and so can't switch out
For what it's worth, Ariados was gifted a signature move in Gen 7 that would actually be a pretty solid move if given to a pokemon with better stats.
yeah cause ariados has god awful stats, especially with how slow it is cause it doesn't have a single niche
Glad someone else remembered! I loved using my Toxic Thread Ariados in the Battle Tree, even though it wasn't very good
Yeah still could benefit from an evolution. Would be cool if it had a regional form that mimicked Durant since theoretically part of Ariados’s design inspiration was an Ant-Mimic Jumping Spider.
I loved my Ariados, whom I named "Sheeeeeeeesh". He got me a 50-streak in Doubles at the Battle Tree. I ran a bulky biased set with Toxic Thread, Sucker Punch, Baton Pass, and Fell Stinger.
Lol
18:21 Corviknight: Am I a joke to you?
You need a follow up on this with Gen 3 and 4. Or atleast an update for Gen 1 and 2
I know you counted getting the fairy type as special treatment for azumarill, but its also worth mentioning the fact that it was given the ability huge power in gen 3 when abilities were introduced. That plus the physical/special split in gen 4 made azumarill so strong. It's just been getting better and better over the years
It had huge power in gen 3? Are u sure. I thought it was only thick fat in gen 3 but in gen 4 he got huge power which started it getting buff and better
@@brentrobinson3275 it had both huge power and thick fat in gen 3, but at that time all water moves were special so they were unaffected by huge power. In gen 4 there was the physical/special split so moves like waterfall became physical and could utilize huge power
@@squishvgc belly drun+huge power=shred
@@BrineOkale yeah it’s so useful when it immediately dies after using belly drum
It's like wine: the more time passes, the better
Lugia and Luigi sound like they could be two box art legendaries.
Yes
Luigia
Luigi time.
@@KirbyEnjoyer-d3o The fusion
it’s a me, the legendary pokémon
Ash-Greninja is available through the Pokémon SM demo so...that was the truly first case of a starter getting a unique form while the others didn't
Yeah, that was weird to say "First time in Pokémon history where one starter got a new form and the others did not"
Greninja in gen 6 got literally everything served to him on a silver platter and Chesnaught and Delphox got shafted about a hundred ways to sunday.
Imo, those two by far are the most shafted starters in history, not getting any new forms, not having any treatment, be it special or not, being both completely and utterly overshadowed by the gen 1 starters getting megas and being shoved down our throats *and* Greninja getting absurd anime exposure, a new form, a busted-ass secret ability (two if you count its other form) and so on and not being obtainable in a *single game* since X/Y, literally. You only can get them in S/M/USUM by trading them in from a game (aka X/Y) and not any way like other starters with island scan or something, you can't get them in gen 8 and gen 9... oh wait, you can. Guess which one. Yup, Greninja.
The Johto starters are a case of generally not getting enough exposure until Typhlosion got some with its Hisuian form, but imo Chesnaught and Delphox are the starters that truly drew the shortest end of the stick when compared to its compatriots. Gen 5 also will have super shafted starters until the gen 5 remakes, to be clear. But even they were playable and obtainable in more games, having a pair of games and their sequels. Delphox and Chesnaught don't even have a third version.
The only thing Chesnaught and Delphox have gotten since X and Y was Braixen being playable in Pokkén Tournament, which hardly counts IMO.
@@linhardtvonhevring7262 Delphox is playable in Pokemon Unite (the Pokemon themed MOBA game)
@@fadhilmulyono9230 greninja is *everywhere*
He forgot Ash-Greninja is the first time a starter got something the others didn't get anything
About mega forms: "not coming back anytime soon."
Time decided to make a fool of this man.
Z-A is here
the video is made before the announcment
@@Aesthetic._.Queendom
Not that soon
@@santiagovirreira121It’s next year
fr
Actually Corviknight stole the metal bird role
Do you really want Eviolite Skarmory to be a thing?
Delibird and Stantler getting evos/forms has made me so unbelievably happy. Two of my favorite Pokemon. I also love both of Donphony
i mean Johto is home to a lot of pokemon that are underwhelming
@@bulborb8756 True... But it's also my favorite region
Delibird never got any new forms.
@@AustinSPTD1996 Iron Bundle is close enough as it’s very explicitly a future Delibird, while it’s not coded as a Delibird it is for all purposes a new form of Delibird, just under a different dex entry
> Donphony
10:27 aged like milk
Miltank should be remembered!!!!11!!1!!!!11!
For how awful it is.
"A bigger metal bird" (skarmory, 18:27)
Wtf is corviknight? A penguin?
A penguin is a bird
A teeny-tiny thing Meganium got recently, is that it's the mascot Pokémon of New Pokémon Snap and was one of those special Illumina Pokémon ...but I guess that's not much. Anyways, super fun video! I hope you make more of these for future generations! :)
I think he means in the main line generation games
It's not even the mascot (that would be Xerneas), it's just kinda like a midboss.
@@RGC_animation Being a box legendary doesn’t necessarily mean they’re the mascot. In advertising, and even on the box itself, Meganium is treated as the main showcase for the Illumina phenomenon, treating all the others, Xerneas included, as spoilers. So yeah, mascot.
Yeah, that's true. Meganium hasn't gotten any love in mainline games but it was an Illumina Pokémon and was featured prominently on the box.
Came down looking for this comment. I agree. True, it's not a new variant or mega, but it's still something. And yes, Snap wasn't made by Game Freak, so technically they did forget, but someone remembered. I think it deserves at least an honorable mention.
And it would be a DINOSAUR
14:34 Yes, you are.
I think for Wobbufet.. there's a way to make him interesting. As we all know, the blue body isn't real. It's real body its his tail (black part). So for his upgrade, the black part should show its trueself and this time, Wobbufet aren't a gimmick pokemon no more
*I AM A SHADOW [TAG]*
*THE **_TRUE_** SELF!*
I can't believe I was gaslight into questioning whether Tropius was actually released in gen 2 and I just wasn't realizing it since, like Skarmory and Magcargo, it fits in almost better with gen 3 than gen 2. I had to look it up to realize that Tropius specifically fits better in gen 3 because it was released in gen 3, the other 2 were just kinda unutilized in gen 2 and more prominent in gen 3
Idk about Skarmory, but I personally thought that _Houndoom_ and Magcargo were Gen 3 Pokémon. I first saw them in Colosseum, and thought they fit the Gen 3 style, so they must be from Gen 3. Nope! They're Gen 2. Gen 2 Pokémon are just weird like that...kind of random and mismatched.
22:02 Masochists be like:
19:54 rewatching this after the Gen 9 DLC announcement officially revealed Paradox Suicune as Walking Wake
Edit: Paradox Raikou and Entei for Indigo Disk as Raging Bolt and Gouging Fire, respectively
Yeah from the future I can confirm they got paradoxes
also from the future , but a bit farther -- can confirm the person above me came from the future to confirm your time stamp
Noticing that most of the early Johto dex and the legendaries are featured in New Pokémon Snap - hopefully a sign that they've not been forgotten about and could possibly get something later!
I actually think an evo for Octillery could work really well. If you give it the same treatment as Dracopult where it can use Remoraids like guns it can pull out. Make it an armory of sorts, have it evolve into a squid even. So more tentacles, Remoraids stored in its body, and then it would come full circle with the whole "gun fish" motif.
Glocktopus.
maybe a cthulu that is controlled my a remoraid in an egg
No it clearly has to evolve into a jellyfish. They have even more tentacles and are from a different phylum, which is perfect for that nonsensical evolution line.
Machine gun fishes
@@EnriqueLaberintico yooooooo that's a name I can get behind
Give Shuckle Toxic and Rest and its game over.
10:34 oh, it's coming back alright
I really wish they would bring back the “baby Pokémon in the wild have 3 perfect IVs” thing. It really gave an incentive to catch and raise them.
I mean, while that is nice in a way, a huge issue right now is that baby pokemon cannot breed, but are the result of breeding regardless of incense.
Due to baby pokemon being much more common and a lot easier to catch, I kinda get the IV thing, but on the other hand, hypertraining kinda replaced that.
In which gen it worked?
@@ldmtag Gen 6. To be precise, any wild Pokemon in the "Undiscovered/No Eggs" group would be guaranteed tp have at least 3 perfect IVs. This was presumebly done to make getting competitive-ready Legendaries less painful, but a side effect of this made Baby Pokemon (which can't breed either) be affected by this too.
What about ledyba?
Johto is one of my favorite regions. Great games and great Pokémon in my opinion!
Yes, Johto were nice made pokemon
Dude we have the same pfp😂
Future people in the comments section, let's not get into an argument people can have their own opinions
@@edgyanole9705 wise words
As a person who loved Misdreavus, you could imagine my excitement seeing Flutter Mane in Area Zero having never heard of it before playing the game.
Also, Flutter Mane is a Ghost/Fairy type. Meaning that after all these years, Mimikyu is no longer alone.
I think Skarmory didn't get a new evolution is because it would make Skarmory hold the eviolite, which boost the defense and special defense by 50% but only works if the pokémon can still evolve. Add the fact that it's only weak to fire and electric and its high physical defense and you get a Toxapex 2.0.
Eviolite Skarmory vs Skarmory evolution would basically be Chansey vs Blissey 2.0 if all they did was just make the Skarm evolution have better defenses or w/e. I think they should go a route that sets the evolution apart to give a reason to use one over the other. Think Porygon2 vs Porygon-Z. Maybe give it a lot more offensive pressure, change the type even. I remember one time I saw someone make a Fakemon evolution of Skarmory that was, of all types, Steel/Dragon.
That can be a Rhydon vs Rhyperior 2.0 because you can give Skarmory eviolite and make it insanity bulk, but he has to hold the eviolite while it's Evo can hold other items
And it already was a top tier competitive mon in every generation before Corviknight outclassed it.
It’s very sad…
I know they already had the dialga/Celebi time travel stuff in the mystery dungeon series but it just makes so much sense to tie them into scarlet and violet DLC with time travel being such a focal point of the games. Dialga is already featured in Legends Arceus and could be a great way to tie that in and Celebi could be used as a way to explain bringing the paradox Pokemon to the present
It's certainly interesting to think about, but I disagree with it making sense. Dialga is from hisui/sinnoh, which is based on Hokkaido in Japan. Celebi is also from a region based on a place in Japan. Scarlet and Violet take place in what is very Spanish/Portuguese. The looks and feels of Dialga and Celebi don't fit neatly with the region. The time travel machine fits much better, both in the story and as design. A product of a professor becoming obsessed with learning more about this strange place and it's past/future, which has become out of control and sucking more and more pokemon from other times into the present.
And aside from that, it would be really weird to have a legendary Pokemon from a different region play a main role in games that take place in a completely different region on the other side of the world. Legends Arceus and the mystery dungeon had legendaries play a role in the story where their home region is (near), so that was much less jarring
3:46 Technically, Ledian did get some new content in Gen 5 as part of Pokéstar Studios as a trainer, ironically. It was part of the “Timegate Traveler” series and the enemy trainer was a Ledian holding a spear and was called “Future-Being Ledian” since in the movie made, it ended up that the protagonist went to a future where Pokémon control people. Not necessarily a new Ledian form, but a cool fact that a lot of people overlook
Cool but Jesus Christ you didn't have to write a S.A.
Oh I forgot about that! Pokestar Studios was a trip
@@loganevens3581 ...essay
Maybe because almost no one played the pokestar studios side quest? It definetely doesn't count as love, making it as a focus point in a piece of a sidequest that everyone overlooks
@@loganevens3581 that’s not nearly an essay it just looks like it because the format is upwards
There’s a reason Rowlett, Oshawott, and Cyndaquil were the chosen mons to be starters. Each of their names hold a feudal Japanese reference in which Legends of Arceus was built around- feudal Japan. Not to discount the lack of love chikorita and todadile got but there were reasons.
At least they could've made Chikorita and Totodile accessible somewhere, since it sucks that both of those starters are just locked away from people for like 3 regions already. And the games that had them prominently are like almost 15 years old (the only other thing they even got in those years was being a gimmick reward for qr codes in gen 7). I love all 3 Johto starters and it sucks that only one was avalible in new games (not counting BDSP, since they are remakes - and they cut the whole dex after gen4, but I'm glad they are usable there). I get it that other starters are also absent most of the time (which also sucks, since pre Switch era games tried to make all previous starters somewhat relevant/accessible, even if they were post game or hidden content).
@@dozzy9984 all the past-gen starters are returning in the Indigo Disk DLC!
Introduce third evolutions
To be fair, even without an upgrade, Crobat is still a very solid ‘mon on its own. Defense typing, well rounded stats, high speed, and decent move coverage. Add in the fact that you can get it stupidly early in gens ii-iv due to it being a friendship evolution, and zubats generally being early encounters.
Also, I need a Legends: Celebi, and for my boy Feralgatr to get some love.
Fera needs a dark typing to compliment the Sheer Force ability.
It's also great in gen6
If it's legends celebi Feraligatr would just be a wild encounter, like the sinnoh starters in arceus
@@Mr.Beeman Legends Jirachi, then?
16:51 Speaking of regional form, imagine an Australian Pokemon region where Octillery becomes Water/Poison based on blue-ringed octopus.
Forgot to mention that Remoraid is required to evolve Mantyke
10:58 missed opportunity to say Dino-SOAR
3:29
Wynaut was actually really important to making Wobuffett usable as it lets Wobuffett learn Encore which is huge since it takes away the need to predict what attack the opponent is using.
^^^^^^^^^^^^^
Yes
Well that is true but they could have added encore to wobuffett. Atleast it is good for wynaut memes
I was genuinely surprised Sunflora got nothing in gen 9. Especially since it had a focus from the grass leader. It could've absolutely gotten a new Evo in Scarlet and Violet.
So excited to see this series continue, glad you waited for SV too!
i hope lugia & ho-oh get either new forms or at least some love in legends ZA
To be fair, Meganium was given a lot of focus in New Pokemon Snap and was even the mascot for that game's gimmick
Im one of the few players that like the chikorita family, id love a grass/fairy legends form❤️ (change celebi to a grass/fairy while were at it)
@@Joey3264 chikorizzta
Yeah but New Pokemon Snap isn't a mainline game and it isn't that popular
So basically they _did_ give it love...a little bit...in an indirect way. So now Feraligatr is the last one to get that sort of treatment.
@@Joey3264yea fairy does fit them. Meganium is super cute
Im not really in favor to give Unown a new form myself, but it came to mind that they could make an "exodia" form. So if you have them all they could fuse together making a really strong, big pokemon with all letters. It would still just know hidden power though, but would have an intense increase in stats. Would also give you some kinda trophy to collect them all.
Call it "Rosetta" named after the Rosetta Stone!
I always thought Unown should have gotten its own exclusive Z-Move based off of Hidden Power that deals super-effective damage to all types regardless of combinations and abilities.
@@cameronnaylor4046 better name is Spellseta
Ever since jumpluff got in my scarlet team as a meme, but ended carrying my team, it will always have a place in my heart
Yeah I was surprised at how good Jumpluff is in Violet. I caught a Hoppip for old times sake never having actually used it it properly in GSC, and in Violet Jumpluff has become one of my favourite Pokémon to use.
I wanted to use it, but I was locked on Spregatito and also got a Flechling
Yooo facts I named mines puffy and it was my mvp for some gym battles and titan pokemon mega drain and bullet seed saved me
Mikey: *complains about not having a big metal bird*
Corviknight: am I a joke to you?
It's really weird that Miltank didn't get a regional form to go along with Tauros in Scarlet & Violet. Heck, the fact Miltank isn't in the game at all is strange. It was made for Tauros to have a female counterpart all those years ago, and now they just forget about it? Are bulls just mating with each other in Spain somehow?
You can continue the series "___ type: then versus now"(or something like this i don't remember). I think fire type can be pretty interesting, because it's type chart changed twice(with steel type addition and fairy type addition) and things like Charizard and his attention (megas, gigantamaxes etc.) And fire/fighting starters trend could be worth mentioning.
Plus those Pokémon are so hospitable, warm hearted, and beautiful too!
10:44 "But Tropius--"
No Mikey, that's a Gen 3 pokemon. This is a Gen 2 video. Stop.
A Johto Legends game would go incredibly hard
I think the best they could do for Sunflora, was either evolve it or give it a secondary type - like fairy. Sunflora using Dazzling gleam or play rough just makes sense to me.
Or a more sun-like one that's Grass/Fire. But I could kinda see Grass/Fairy too.
To play devil’s advocate for baby forms: they DO allow trainers to get Pokémon previously overlooked or previously rare a lot earlier(such as sudowoodo and snorlax…..though munchlax’s debut was anything but common)
While the baby forms are DEFINETY not upgrades, they make up for it by making trainers discover Pokémon a lot sooner
I love them because they're cute too. I mean who wouldn't want pichu to not exist????
Baby pokemon are the best. They learn odd moves for their typing and have strong status effects. I wish we had MORE baby Pokemon. Igglybuff is my favorite Pokemon of all time.
This. The whole point of them is to get a leg in early on those super strong later game Pokémon. Now admittingly some of them are probably not all that useful in that regard- Igglybuff and Jigglypuff are generally found around the same location at comparable levels. The same can be said if Azuril and Marill or Pichu and Pikachu. But there’s still the primary benefit you mentioned. Most babies have access to moves that the older forms do not have.
Besides they’re honestly kind of cool. Elekid and Magby are surprisingly strong for their size. Riolu, too, is much stronger than some people give it credit for. Smoochum is also similarly strong. A fair few of the babies are kept locked off from too many stronger moves by having a limited TM pool, but not all of them.
Elekid and Magby evolving at 30 instead of friendship was actually genius cause in Gen 1 Electabuzz and Magmar couldn't be lower. These are the only 2 babies I wanna use cause they actually work like more traditional party members
@@BearWith_You They’re also surprisingly strong and have a huge variety of moves. I’d argue they’re as good or better than first form starters. Munchlax is in a similar vein, being pretty bulky and capable of hitting hard even without evolving.
I really want regional forms to be available in other regions, like Paldean forms maybe being available in Kalos since they’re based on places so close to each other in real life.
They're regional though.
@@TheJayWay101 Yeah but you gotta figure things like American robins being found in Canada and Mexico, right?
The two Pokémon with Paldean forms already live in Kalos, so that's a bust.
@@pkmntrainermark8881 what do you mean?
Kanto is based on a region of jspan which is a continent away from the spanish peninsula which åaldea is based on
"This marks the first time that only one starter got a new form while the other two did not"
Greninja: 🤨
I feel Ledian actually has the highest chance of any early route bug to get something. It just feels like it has more potential than the others
Just make it a golden bug-angel-thing with winged boots. There. Excellent idea.
Ledian does have the most potential. They better give it something.
New Pokémon forfortress megmegmagniem
Ledian looks awesome. Such an obscure pokémon but i think it looks so dang cool. Like a bug Astro-boy. I would totally be with them leaning into that more and going for another Bug x Steel type.
Make him bug/fighting
Honestly Xatu is another one that would work really well as evolving into a ghost type. It already spends its time gazing into the past and future, you could give it like a "While trying to solve the mysteries of the past and future, this pokemon neglected its wellbeing in the present. Now that it's evolved, it's practically become one with the flow of time. Do wrong by it, and you might find yourself fading out of existence as it prevents your parents from ever meeting in the past."
God...
Now that would be neat.
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The video we never wanted but at the same time we needed.
So when is Hoenn Forgotten Pokemon coming out?
i love meganium. it's my favorite starter of all time. so when i learned how people trash on it i felt very sad. i want it to get something and for people to stop picking on it. thank you.
20:17 Unless I’ve missed something, this is incorrect. Lugia is Gen 2 and it’s Shadow form is from XD in Gen 3.
That being said, these videos are phenomenal! I particularly like the idea of a Fire/Steel Magcargo to remove it from the colossal shadow of… well, Coalossal.
Yes, XD is gen 3. but you can't use it on command unlike Megas and Gigamaxes
@@SKsuprakirby True, but I was just pointing out that he said Lugia and Shadow Lugia are from the same generation.
I have no idea how I made that error lol
@@MandJTV lol
@@MandJTV Lol it’s all good. Is your video still top notch? Hail yeah!
We need a Convergent Evolution of Magcargo called "Dunecargo," which is a ground-type snail made of quicksand instead of lava.
14:43 I refuse to accept dundunsparse they were trolling us
Today I learned robbery and burglary are different, with burglary being much safer.
Glad to see a Mikey video just chilling and talking about Pokemon I love these chill videos (I love the high energy videos with John but this is nice too)
15:20 additionally, if shuckle were to evolve it would gain use of the eviolite and nobody wants to see the bloody murder that would happen if that existed
In all honesty I feel that Jynx does deserve a evolution since magmorator and electavire do exist within that trio
Jynx absolutely deserves an evolution. Something kinda based on the Baba Yaga, I figure?
I really want to see "every Hoenn Pokémon GameFreak forgot".
Tropius and Castform are waiting :)
I wanted to see "Every Pokemon that can't be obtained on the Switch" discussing every Gen 5-7 Pokemon that are not in any Switch games as of making that video
Mikey will be pained as Castform is a Gimmick Pokémon and thus like he said Gimmick Pokémon shouldn't get any love, I am down for Castform to evolve given its really low 420 BST.
Wynaut actually was an upgrade. It did increase Wobb's moveset, Tickle and Encore have been a decent upgrade to the moveset, Encore is especially good since you can counter set up Pokémon that give Wobbuffet issues.
I don’t see regionals and paradoxes as an upgrade. Because Iron Bundle exists we are now WAY less likely to get an actual upgrade for Delibird
If meganium gets a type id recommend fairy and update its move pool and a stat improvement
Im currently using a meganium in a randomised platinum run and im enjoying using her i named em Abby
For Leddian maybe give it a update on stats like a a boost in defence speed and attack
And the 3rd evolution will still maintain its aesthetic and give it a style somewhat like a poweranger and maybe make it a bug fighting giving its ability iron fist a good usage as well as giving it a bunch of good moves for its stab
Or an ability that makes all of Ledian's punching moves hit twice/thrice/twice with a slight power boost.
The only upside I can think of for baby forms is they let some Pokemon be encountered earlier than they normally would and give the satisfaction of getting one more evolution as you play.
It's neat to, for example, get a Pichu at the start of SuMo and work with it to get it to Pikachu instead of just getting a Pikachu right off.
Azurill is another one like that, and I remember catching one early on in my Pokemon Y game to use as my Water type in a playthrough.
Better example might be something like Smoochum, since Jinx is almost always caught super late but Smoochum could be placed in the wild early, or Igglybuff, which you can get super early in SV, but Jigglypuff normally is an early/mid encounter instead of a route 1 encounter.
It's not a lot, but it's one purpose for baby forms, I guess!
If Mikey did a video on forgotten Kalos Pokémon, it would probably be the entire Pokédex on Kalos Pokémon
Except greninja who got a lot
Kalos introduced the biggest powercreep in the entire series that’s mainly why they didn’t have anything
Tbf Corviknight is a bigger and meaner looking steel bird
I'd say that Sudowoodo has had some special treatment from how it was highlighted in the Scarlet and Violet trailers as Brassius' ace, and a showcase for Terrastalizing
It terrastalised yes but that’s not unique to it
He’s considering special treatment as something that changes in later gens
Now we need an evolution called "Couldowoodo."
You know "Shoulda woulda, coulda woulda"
Game Freak: "I feel like I'm forgetting something..."
Nintendo: "If you forgot it, it's probably not important."
Game Freak: "Yeah, you're probably right."
Johto:
I think there should be a new Unown form that you can get after collecting all the Unown forms. They could give it a base stat total of 680. The same as each member of the creation trio.
But if this new form kept the same move pool, it would need to make the base attack stat 0 to make the most of that new 680 base stat total
That or a new ability based on all the forms coming together and creating something stronger like wishiwashi has
Unown-Lexicon, and probably more moves than it has currently.
@@PKMNResearcherSkyler i like that idea, and perhaps while in that form hidden power could always be super effective
Instead of just one ability, Levitate, Protean and Unown Force. The latter doubles its special attack if another Unown is in the field. And it stacks, for that sweet powerlift gimmick.
Now they are just giving everything to johto pokemon. I could imagine they give skarmory a new evo in legends ZA
Idea for a Unown upgrade: A new ability called Power of the Unown. Gives Unown a 1 stage boost to all its stats equal to the number of Unown in the party (I.e. +1 to all if there’s 1 Unown and +6 if the whole team is Unown).
that would actually be nice. It would go down a stage per Unown defeated. So it won't be as broken as Houndstone with Last respects haha
What about something similar to Wishi Washi.
Maybe give unknown a proper move then just hidden power bam it’s already better
Idea: A new Pokémon called "Unomenon", who acts as sort of an overlord for the Unown. Sort of like Carbink/Diancie.
@@bluebaron6811 1. It will never happen since the unknown are as powerful as arceus. Assuming they are his hands that arceus’s pokedex says. 2. There is no overload for diancie/carbink and they are not releated at all that we know of. 3. Unknown only knows hidden power and they need actual moves not base stats etc.
Before Scarlet and Violet came out, I had high hopes of them adding the Ñ Unown form. That way, Unown would be based on both the complete English *and* Spanish alphabet.
Or maybe Ç Unown
whenever mikey uploads, i rush to watch the video, It doesnt matter what i'm watching i'm still going
I still think it was a SHAME Xatu wasn't even part of the game in SV (ngl one of five reasons I didn't get those games). I think it would have been a perfect addition, especially with the paradox forms.
I'd love an evolution for Sudowoodo that has decorated itself with leaves and vines and is now a Rock/Grass type since it has incorporated enough plants to actually count as a plant. Kinda like how Bulbasaur and Paras have things growing from them and therefore gain the Grass typing.