𝗖𝗢𝗡𝗙𝗜𝗥𝗠𝗘𝗗: Sony Shun OLED & Use Mini LED for 2024 Flagship TV
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 28 ส.ค. 2024
- Sony has unveiled its new 2024 BRAVIA TV lineup, and the flagship BRAVIA 9 will be a Mini LED TV, not OLED. There's also the new BRAVIA 8, BRAVIA 7 & BRAVIA 3.
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Haha what a chad, you can see a piece of paper saying "No Photos or Videos Please", but you took it anyway! Thank you so much!!!
Vincent didn't take the photos or videos. It was Vinnie.
HDTV Test is on OUR side. Vinnie Da Reviewer don't care about no stinkin' signs!
Don’t be a hypocrite I bet the women in your family pull out their phones constantly
I have a collection of photos of signs saying "no photos", from around the world
@@whophd I saw a pic of a frustrated someone surrounded by wheels of cheddar for sale, with a sign saying no photos. I really hope whoever took the pic said "say cheese!"
Thank you, Vincent, for explaining Sony’s new Mini LED tech so that laymen may understand. You are the best! I think I speak for everyone when I say we eagerly await your review of the Bravia 9. Extremely curious how it compares to the latest 2024 OLED offerings.
Thanks for filling in on a full model lineup for next year. None of the other reviewers I've watched have talked about the holdover models. Now I understand why the X90L hasn't dropped in price as I expected it would.
No 65" for Europe is a ridiculously odd decision. What are they thinking?
It's like the reverse of last year's models where america got completely shafted on the new mini-LED, it was only available in 85 inches here and I asked the same question: What were they thinking
Management at Sony's TV division are incompetent. Have been for many years.
Calling it odd is far too kind. The decision to shunt 65 is the dumbest ever…no small sizes in Europe ??!! Of course it make perfect sense…😢😢
Sony's gonna Sony.
Europeans don't buy large TV's. Most stick with 42 to 48 inches.
If it handles subtitles well, I'll be impressed.
Agreed, this is the ultimate test. As an OLED owner, it’s hard to imagine going back to subtitles on LEDs
IKR? My Z9D does a pretty good job if you sit in the right chair and tilt it correctly. I expect even better now but get disappointed when I go window shopping mostly.
@@E_Rice I have the Sony OLED A8G and subtitles are distracting. The white subtitles are so bright, especially in dark scenes it's quite distracting/irritating to the eyes.
it's not a challenge to handle subtitles well for modern miniLEDs, even Samsung could do it. The challenge is handling subtitles well WITHOUT crushing shadow details which Samsungs tend to fall short
@@IndigoVikingTV you change the subtitles to grey or some other dull colour, problem solved
Get ready for a Mini LED TV more expensive than OLED TVs
Yes plz. I need a second LG OLED haha
Nope. Bravia 9 flagship in 85" is only $5,499 retail. That's a grand less than their flagship OLED 77" I bought in Feb 2020.
At launch, the 75-inch model will be £4499, while the 85-inch version will be £4999. While undeniably a lot of money, it's worth noting that the 77-inch A95L QD-OLED was £5999
Hopefully X95L prices will drop 😎
They already released the price dude, its cheaper than last year's Qd oled models. I guess its the flagship tv price to performance but not the most expensive tv they make
Sony Semiconductor is a powerhouse.
Sony is one of the few Japanese companies that has a complete manufacturing stack available, from imaging chip, to lenses, to monitors. Their all-in approach on cinematic appearance and performance is going to pay off for their movie division.
Advanced laser diode for data centers is a remarkable breakthrough.Sony is very under rated
Their tech was so advance in the 2000's, it's too expensive for the market. AFAIR, they were the first to develop OLED Displays yet they weren't the one who mass marketed them.
I luv Sony !!!
@@CeruleanmonsterWorld first OLED years before KG Sony Bravia XEL-01 2007
Well, they are still limited by the MediaTek SOC
The problem with Mini LED is that they still use LCD panels, so retain their drawbacks. Motion smearing being the main one (really noticeable if you've used OLED for a while) and viewing angle issues. I guess they could strobe the backlights though, which might help.
In fact, Sony has very advanced technology in regards to backlight scanning/strobing. On X95L you can have 120Hz backlight scanning with almost no brightness loss and it has the best motion compared to any Oled I've ever owned, almost crt-like (including a90j and a95k which didn't even allow 120Hz bfi, but only 60Hz with too much flicker and brightness loss).
Motion on X95L is truly that good, I am confident Bravia 9 will be amazing.
OLED/QD OLED should be standard display by late 2020s as Micro LED is next premium TV display tech 😂
@@FabriG-yd5ftX95L greater than any OLED you owned? Lol you probably own some old ass OLED, have you even seen A95L and G3-4 in action? X95L is more where close to real OLEDs.
This years flagship shootout is going to be very interesting. Looking forward to it.
The A95L will likely win again.
@@michaelbeckerman7532 It will not compete in a 2024 TV shootout as was it was released in 2023
@@michaelbeckerman7532Yeah G4 just G3 with few tweaks same with S95D
A95L vs Bravia 9, Please Compare
This is exactly what I want to see
Sony Pictures will release 4000 nits remastered bluray for that exact purpose. Disney and HBO will charge you with a new 4000 nits HDR tier for new remastered 9 starwars saga and the Snyder cut. Japanese Sony attacks (South) Korean LG & Samsung at atomic level. OLED can't reach 4000 nits by physical properties.
@@JohnWilliams-gy5yc did you reply to the wrong thread lol
@@cainification I hope the Sony scheme would be flopped too. However OLED can't never reach 4000 nits with today technology while microLED can. We will see when the new remastered content is released.
European homes are most times smaller than in the US. Why no 65 inch Bravia 9 or 55 inch Bravia 7 in the EU? It makes no sense to me.😢
Definitely getting the 9 . Best reviewer on here thanks .
As a current OLED owner, I hope that Sony returns in 2025 with a new Master Series OLED. Seems to be the case as Sony usually releases a new Master Series every 2 years. In the press video the 3 hosts clearly said ‘2024 flagship’ as opposed to Master Series. I EAGERLY await your review, Vincent. You’re the best in the world at this and we appreciate you!
Exactly this
That would contradict their roadmap.
@@Simplyveej the roadmap to what? Affordable micro-LED, lol.
@@E_Rice they dropped major clues through the announcement that they don’t think OLED is flagship material anymore. At least Sony.
Sony has shifted to this mini-led prototype as their flagship tv tech. I predict the 2025 MasterSeries will be 8K Bravia Z mini-led.
The 9 series is pure HDR horsepower. ❤
to get blind... great!
@@bojanlikic3652 Not sure why people are still ignorant about brightness in 2024. Its for HDR highlights, the sun, a flash light etc its not for the entire screen.
@@bojanlikic3652don't go outside, it's too bright. Will hurt your eyes.
I am really impressed and I'd even take that Mini LED but unfortunately I cannot and will not go beyond 55" in screen size and I hoped for a 55" model but where I live they won't even sell any smaller flagship than 75" D':
55" TVs are slowly shifting towards the economy/value end of the TV market. In a few years, I'd expect that manufacturers will cease offering 55" models in their premium lineup. I wouldn't even be surprised if 55" panels are consigned to bargain bin off-brand models within our lifetime.
@@Uncle_Fred Within our lifetime? Kind of a long window, eh?
I expect friggin holograms in my living room by then!
The new Sony Mini LED TV is the most interesting TV this year to me. Could be my next TV.
ya the 7 series seems to be a great price/performance king
@@mgaming7 Nah, i would avoid it, because it has probably same bad viewing angles like X90L. Bravia 9 is the way to go imo.
I don't see how. The G4 is still better.
@@Da-iken Of course the Bravia 9 is much better. But if you look at Bravia 7 as a person that would be buying an X90L. The Bravia 7 doesn't cost much more than what X90L did but is a massive improvement. It's better than X95L in many ways because of color volume and so on. The Bravia 7 will be a great "mid range/budget" alternative.
Bravia 9 is just even a lot better. It's a leap for their miniLED.
@@CaliFinestDemon I wouldn't be too sure about that. I bet the G4 wins in some things. But Bravia 9 wins in other areas. Also if a person don't sit in a totally dark room and only watch OLED demos, lol. They would quickly see there is little difference and Bravia 9 wins especially in color. It will spank the G4 in color volume by a mile.
But I like the G4 too. It's my back up choice.
im glad I got the A95L! It will stay the sony OLED flagship for two years
Or it be replaced by A95M in late 2024
The X95L was an excellent miniled. If the Bravia 9 is 30-40% better, they have something.
Too bad A95L looks 100% better than X95L…
@@ElGrueso but its an OLED with inevitable burn-in issue so it's automatically 200% worse
@@TheAETHER22 post 2020 OLED panels doesn’t need to worry about burn-in unless you are watching severe static images for ridiculous amount of time and 0% blooming and real control HDR unlike LED’s crap HDR which makes it 300% better. There are several Rting video about this issue.
@@ElGrueso burn in will never go away with organic materials. They'll try to delay it with bigger blue leds or pixel shift but never eliminate it. And yes I want to be playing static images if I want to since I paid for my TV
@@TheAETHER22 sure watch your static image pictures, and news with your LED and I will be watching my movies, video games and tv shows with OLED 👍
Math correction: "325% MORE dimming zones" means over 4X as many dimming zones, Not "3X as many"
I guess he meant 225 percent more and overall 325% vs 100%
@@indrajeetv8878 No, the Sony document he showed said 325% more.
I guess Digital Trends was not told about the 'no video footage' of the LED back-lights :)
I’d like to see Sony coming with a new QD OLED model next year with a 4th gen panel.That would be awesome😮
Same, and I also agree it should be next year. Until they do the shootout 2024, A95L is still officially the best TV out since it came out so late only 6 months ago.
Nah. S95d is superior @@cainification
@@jacobpaul3429 Samsung?? lmao sure bub, you definitely in the minority on that one. The flagship Samsung TVs do look fantastic, such vibrate colors, it really is amazing. But it just looks so unnatural to me, the color accuracy cannot be matched.
@@magicianshobby why did the A95L win the 2023 shootout then by such large margin
Hell yeah! This is exactly what I was waiting for. Something with 0 burn in but OLED level benefits on things like contrast, so I can have an incredible TV as my primary gaming monitor.
OLED level? No matter what you do LCD can never achieve OLED’s level 🤷🏻♂️
Micro LED TVs years away from budget users that are LG fanboys 😂
@@ElGruesoMicro LED is natural successor to Mini LED and OLED better than both
@@RobertK1993 why brining Micro LED here? Micro LED still got years to go for it to bring down the cost. It is extremely expensive to fabricate since it’s self-illuminating panel similar to OLED but none organic.
@@RobertK1993 Micro LED is the successor of OLED not Mini-LED… Mini-LED is just a backlight LCD panel.
I have the 42-inch A90K and I think it’s superb.
as a TV or Monitor. was thinking of using it for monitor
@@mgaming7 I have a small living room, so I use it as a TV with an Apple TV 4K and Panasonic DP-UB9000 4K blu-ray player. I’m yet to purchase a soundbar.
No new 42-48” is criminal 😂😂
Facts I game on an LG mini qned it's good, but I might want to upgrade in a couple of years
Agreed loving using my LG 42' oled as monitor
@@UsernameInvalid48 You have a 42 foot monitor? Damn
@@rustler08 I think no one but muricas understand this " ' " and " " " . It is time to start using metric for TV size.
42 inch 4K is useless since you can't tell difference between 1080p and 4K
Current Sony TVs including the A95L (which I own) has a Netflix calibrated mode already... which enthusiast largely ignore because it is not accurate at all.
Why no 65inch bravia 9 in UK ridiculous
Greta's "How dare you?!"
It's like they know nothing about the European market
Makes LG decision easier if I were in the market for an upgrade.
Sony Tv’s Always Amazing ❤
So glad the Bravia 7 is available in 55 inches and in Australia considering the X93L (and X95L) started at 65 inches and couldn't be purchased in Australia
x95L is/was purchasable from Hi-Fi stores, not department stores
I hope they release a 97" or larger panel in the future, that is what I want to buy.
Same. I was waiting for that. Disappointed it’s not available.
That be OLED size 100 inch is LCD
@@tedshepCa you afford 6000
@@RobertK1993 I can. It would sting a bit, but my last TV was purchased 16 years ago. So I’m willing to spend a pretty good amount if it will last that long.
I like your glasses Vincent
Vincent I love you but please get a nicer background to go with your videos and stand a bit back like all the other reviewers. Your videos are so much more informative, smart and thorough that it's a crime digital trends and rtings get more views
great i look forward for a discounted a95k.
a95l? Even so i dont have a ton of hope. I havent seen a95k price budge much even after the a95l release
Ikr
Having the 75X95K and the 65S95C. I’m liking the X95K mini led more than the oled. So i’m all for improved mini led tv’s. Somehow HDR impact is better on my X95K than the S95C
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You're not allowed to think that way. The OLED inquisition will come and knock at your door. Oh look there is already one here "Noobmaster". LOL...
OLED fanbois will do everything to justify the thousands more they paid just to get the tiny 10% more blacks.. only to have a display that literally deteriorates and dies.
Mini-LED panels are fantastic. I've been very pleased with my c845 and I prefer it to my previous TV which was a C1. That being said I would prefer to own a Sony but I just can't go above 55 inch because I find it to be too large for my living room. It's a real shame that Sony stopped producing flagship models in lower sizes as I'd gladly pay the premium for world class processing which no other brand comes even close to rivaling. Unfortunately.
I wait for samsung qn95d. Is last flag ship in 55 inch in europe
The processing war is having a shake up. The new LG's are really coming out swinging this year. Not sure on sizes but the new G4 might end up the processing champ.
@@bearclaw5115 but G4 is oled. I think is avalaible at 55 inch but their miniled flag ship QNED90T start at 65 :/
@@bearclaw5115They way you say coming out swing sounds like a LG fanboy😂
I was hoping for Sony to make a larger model over 100 inches with the Bravio 9 tech to replace my Sony 100 inch model.
Let me guess,with only 2 hdmi 2.1 ports from which one is the eARC port?
What happens to the Z-series? I've been waiting for the next revision since 2022's Z9K.
It was overrated
The Bravia9 will be better than anything the Z series could offer...this is the biggest jump in LED tech since the invención of local diming
For all intents and purposes the Z-series is stupid. 8K in general is stupid at present (thought it won't always be). The X95L out performed the Z9K
@@randallsmith2521 No its not I can game in 8k.
@@user-oq6sc1qm4j while this is true, you'll notice that Sony does not prioritize gaming on its TVs. Gaming is an afterthought most of the time. Otherwise they would be doing things like TCL/Hisense with regards to VRR tech availability on 60Hz TVs and official support for FreeSync and G-Sync.
So no Bravia 9 65" in the UK? WTF?
Yeah, that is disappointing!
Doesn’t sound like North America is getting a 65” Bravia 9 either!!! WTF
@@user-hj6hi9ho2k Not as big an issue in the US. We're not poor. j/k
I hope they translate the new Mini-LED panels into the PC monitor space. Higher peak brightness and more dimming zones would make it a nice alternative to the OLED monitor options.
Bravia 7 vs X95L ‼️
This year is gonne be interesting 😁
Absolutely what I’m looking for an x95L in smaller sizes hence the Bravia 7, this will be my TV for a very long time
It still concerns me that we'll end up in the same situation with films like Gravity where OLED will display every single star in a scene but those using local dimming will miss out quite a lot, reducing the impact of the scene.
How many stars would you really miss out on though? Would you even notice without a side by side comparison?
@KAL-589 Vincent did a video a few years ago where he showed the difference in that movie and it was a hell of a lot, probably the majority of them.
@KAL-589 It can be pretty noticeable. I noticed it on my QN90A. I'm sure the Sony will be better but it will also introduce more blooming. I was previously an LED fan when OLEDs were struggling to hit 700 nits for HDR highlights, but now that QD-OLED is hitting 1200-1700 nits depending on which model you buy, it's QD-OLED for me until micro LED actually becomes feasible. Recently got a 77" S90C and it's like I'm properly seeing HDR for the first time
You can point to problems on both OLED and LCD when you put a reference monitor between them. Everyone has to decide what strengths of the TV they value the most because they both come with compromises
And Oled is still struggling on large area and long duration brightness. Reducing the impact of those scenes.
excited to see how Bravia 9 controls blooming and handles Black scenes especially dark sky with stars
It won't compete with OLED or QD-OLED.
The “What Hi-Fi” reviewer claims in his observations that blooming is virtually nonexistent and that the black levels are near the S95C.
@@PSYCHOV3N0MA95M QD OLED likely by unveiled in September
@RobertK1993 A95M? I thought sony wont be making QD-OLEDs anymore
Very informative. Will the calibrated modes for Netflix and Amazon work if they are routed through Apple TV?
I was skeptical about mini LED at the beginning until I saw a video of the TCL C855. An unboxing and a first impression video from a Spanish reviewer. I think the same panel was used for the Bravia 9 because the performance is almost the same. The black values are quite good. I am positively surprised about the new mini LED as I have been using OLED since 2017.
Is the screen on the Bravia 8 still semi matte as on the A80K/80L?
Also having only 2 HDMI 2.1 ports does this mean that they are still using old mediatek chipsets?
To be honest I still can't see a good enough reason for those who own a A80L, K or even J to upgrade to the Bravia 8.
Cheers.
Yeah i do not think i will upgrade from my a80j.
@@eternalbeing3339I got a 77” A80J with the glossy screen. I think I’m good for another year. The A80J is still a dog with a bite .
Lg G4 review any time soon ?
if the Bravia 8 is 10% brighter than an A80L, how much brighter is the A90J or A95L compared to the A80L? Is the Bravia 8 on par with an A90J brightness ? close to A95L brightness?
The Bravia 7, is it as good as the old X93L or X95L now? Does Sony want me to go LG G4?
That's pretty bad if indeed it is only 10% brighter. The A80L is already pretty dim, and a 10% brightness boost would be on the same level as the C3. The only Sony I would ever consider getting is the A95L, but I'm not willing to pay the Sony tax.
That’s my questions regarding the Bravia 7, is it almost as good as the x95L? If it is then that’s the one I’ll go for.
Well, then I will eagerly await their/other to have both many more zone AND the better control.
I'm sure this will probably be the best looking LED-LCD ever produced, but it will also certainly still lack the precision of OLED/QD-OLED. While that zone control is nicely upgraded, it's still quite crude compared to per pixel dimming
I have to disagree. If they can control the zones more precisely, the Mini LeD panel will greatly outperform OLED due to the massive brightness increases.
I just don't get the attraction. Why not hold onto your OLED and just wait for full uLED panels?
@connor040606 It doesn't matter how precise they are because zones are far bigger than pixels. Even the most precise of local dimming techniques still won't fully be able to compete with pixel level control. Each zone is still trying to manage a cluster of pixels. This will help them get bright sure, but I still don't see the need to strive to go beyond 1,500 nits or so. Filmmakers have had the ability to grade to those levels and higher for years and the majority of them still choose to grade HDR at 1000 nits or less
@@Uncle_Fred That's what I'm saying. I think OLED will still overall edge out this tech until we get something truly "new"
@@connor040606Tell me you don't know how OLED works without telling me you don't know how OLED works.
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Thanks to SonY for making my choice easier. Wait for me LG G4 83''
Yup. G4's the ticket in that size OLED this year.
OMG tv's are so complex these days its hard to pick one, please bring back the old reddifusion box tv's as you knew what you had if you bought on of those.
83A90J (2021 model) happy and proud owner. I’m confused…is now a mini-led better than oled? One thing is crystal clear: I’m never downsizing. Am I missing the new good “stuff” or my panel is still relevant and should wait for the even next development?
You have an excellent panel there good sir. I"m in a similar boat with two A80J's.
A90J is more or less on par with any WOLED ever made. It is bested by the new QD-OLED's but not by a mile and none are yet available in 83" or higher. And I agree, no downsizing!
The LG G4 will be substantially brighter with MLA in 83" for the first time this year. It will also likely have better processing than the A90J. But it won't have the higher color volume of the QD-OLED's. So the G4 would be your best bet in this year's tv's but if I was in your shoes, I'd keep holding out another year or two. By then we should have 3,000nit QD-OLED's in larger sizes that will really knock your socks off!
@@bearclaw5115the 77” A80J was so close to the 83” A90J in performance. 77” A80J proud owner.
So oled level of contrast with lcd peak brightness ❤❤
No Mini LED not miraculous that be Micro LED
“325% more” is 4x not 3x, since they are saying “more” rather than something like “as many” (100% more is 2x as many and 50% more being 1.5x)
Edit: looks like like its confirmed to be a typo, seems like a common issue to get confused once you go past 100% more, even though 20% more is obviously not the same as 120% more.
Those are some astonishing mental gymnastics.
It depends on how it is phrased. Your math is bonkers.
@Reallynotnick: We were shown an internal presentation deck (which was more technical than the press release) that said there are up to 3x as many local dimming zones.
@@Lock2002ful If you remember math from school, "more" means addition. "as" means multiplication.
@@aquaneon8012
My mother tongue isn’t English, so I don’t remember something I haven’t learned. I majored in math though and am always amazed by what some people are writing online when it comes to math. So wrong, yet so sure they’re right.
@@hdtvtest thanks for confirming!
This is amazing!!! Sadly I bought the latest X95L, don't think I'll be upgrading soon.
If the Bravia 7 is close to your x95L, and being in the US with smaller sizes, that will be my tv for a very long time.
Ur good l, most likely
Very well done and informative technical synthesis of the new 2024 Sony's Tv lineup. Thanks!
Vincent we want the G4 review!!!
The G4 is the G3 with a slightly better processor, if you look closely at the picture and compare it to the G3 it looks a bit sharper. I fail to see why people are getting so excited as it if its some major innovation, if you want to see a leap compare the g2 to the g3.
I have both G3 and G4. The G3 went in the bedroom g4 in the living room. It's a much bigger difference in shadows, processing, motion and a bit brighter but I have to turn that down anyway. It's a huge upgrade IMO
@user-oq6sc1qm4j doesn't it also have an improved MLA panel? In any case that's why we want the review, to tell us what the differences are.
@@varsas10 All I am saying is the G3 was a revolutionary tv and a massive leap over the G2. The G4 is just a slight tweak over the G3 and the tweaks are not very noticable unless you put both TVs side by side and look very closely.
@@user-oq6sc1qm4j I mean in that case I can do that with any modern OLED. I don't think if you had the A95L and before that the A8H and A90J you could tell the difference. I've had all three and if I didn't have them next to each other I would not know the difference because while I'm a stickler for the motion and being able to see shadows and processing not in any three of those TVs that I mentioned did I ever see a huge jump I saw a lot of the same small problems but they were all great and I would never know they were different and improvements unless I had all three next to each other
Having had my first OLED (LG CX) since November 2020 that now has severe, noticeable burn in and many dead pixels (although only visible from inches away but not looking good for longevity) I might be done with OLED as well.
They didn't shun QDOLED, they simply carried the A95L over to 2024 because there was no reason to upgrade yet....there will mostly likely be a new QDOLED model in 2025.
The next Sony QD-OLED with an 83" size will be amazing. Waiting for 2025. Should be a banger.
You better jump between the multiverse, because Sony is not going to use QD-Oleds, outside of their current deals.
@@MadLustEnvyThat's bullshit.
There will be a QD-OLED flagship TV in 2025.
Not according to this video
Sadly unlikely as Sony don't want to be beholden to Samsung. And even Samsung seem uncertain as to whether QD OLED will be in their future.
@@PSYCHOV3N0M have you even been paying attention? Sony is stepping away from qd oleds. They're just selling last year's model this year and have moved back to mini led for flagships.
How much improvement will we realistically see. Ive got a QN94a which is phenomenal and only really notice blooming when the room is pitch black. If Sony expect to charge OLED prices, they can forget it, people will go an get Hisense or TCL TV's for less than half the price. Ill wait to see a TCL 855 vs Bravia 9 comparison to see the difference .
Except Sony HAS been charging OLED prices and having no issues selling them.
@@bearclaw5115 lmao they have been lasting till clearance at Best Buys lol
I can’t wait to see the price on this because Sony is proud of their products
@HDTVTest
My question is (look at timestamps 6:28 and 10:26): how the X95L and the bravia 7 are in comparison to each another? The price category of each of another is quite similar. The bravia 7 should be more expensive with his uvp of 2400$... The street prise of a 65" X95L is below 2000$ now.
I would also be interested in this
6:28 This is exactly why mini led will never be able to compete with oled, no matter how many zones they have--the backlight must pass through a diffuser which causes the blooming effect.
Depends on the algorithm to negate that maybe they’ve had a break through!
I've only just switched to a QD-OLED monitor and while it's certainly better in dark scenes and the motion clarity is amazing, it's quite underwhelming in bright scenes compared to my FALD LCDs and the VRR gamma flicker is insanely distracting in some games.
@@NexGenTekNo such thing as a breakthrough when local dimming zones are physically larger than each pixel.
No LCD TV with any algorithm can compete with OLED when it comes to overall picture quality, contrast ratio, response time, etc.
LCD only wins in brightness.
@@PSYCHOV3N0M Picture quality will be opinion based this year with the new TVs. This will be my second non oled. Contrast ratio sure. It doesn’t need infinite with 4000 nits. Response times are so low now it makes no difference unless you’re playing esports on a 75inch! The HDR will blow you away. My Z8H still has scenes that my oleds just can’t match.
Tell me you don't understand display strengths and weaknesses without telling me you don't understand display strengths and weaknesses.
Nailed it.
Nooooo. Why are they still using that limiting media chip? Having only two 2.1 ports should be unacceptable. Especially if you wall mount your TV
At least you can now buy 8k switcher boxes to resolve the problem. But yeah, lame chip implementation on their part.
Theyre full 48Gbps bandwith 2.1 hdmi ports on the sony ,unlike the competitors which claim they are all 2.1 ports without full 48 bandwidth
They addressed that question tonight on the Sony After Hours Support show and it's largely because the MediaTek processors still provide the absolute best image processing technology. If they were to move away from that SoC platform (to get more HDMI 2.1 ports), image processing would suffer as a result. They aren't willing to make that trade off.
@@michaelbeckerman7532 That's a trade-off that removes them as an option. What good is image quality if you can't connect your devices to it. Having to buy extra equipment for something that should be backed into the TV is unacceptable to me.
I *really* want the micro LED TV (Not going back to OLED) but looks like I'm stuck with my dying TCL
@@AntonioCunningham I'll certainly grant you that MediaTek should have already resolved this issue two years ago, no question about it. Why they haven't done that yet is entirely on them though. However, most gamers that swear they need four HDMI 2.1 ports never even end up actually using more then two of them anyways. Plus, how hard is it to simply unplug one device and plug another one in if you have to? Why is that believed to be such a massive burden? If you would rather have four HDMI 2.1 ports than the best possible image processing, the part that actually determines how well your game-play goes...
3:10 I simple don't understand what I am looking at and what Sony is trying to demonstrate (other than "new better than old" and "Sony better than competitor").
1) Are the bright staggered pin points the LEDs? If so, why is there an image visible at all between the LEDs, given that the LCD is stripped away? 2) What's with the huge dimming stripes on the intact tvs? Is that an artifact of the camera shutter speed vs the tv's refresh cycle?
Sony might as well have taken a knife and carved a big gash into the other tv and said "look how much better this year's is!"
3:37 It looks like the backlight consists of small LEDs in a rectilinear pattern *AND* large ones in a staggered one?
@@HypocriticalElitistyeah with THAT money. 💰 IF I have large living room , I will Buy Hisense 98” 110” UX with Glossy -180 viewing angle ADS-PRO ANY day of year.
I have seen U8K 75” in person since Nov. I am Still WOW 😮 Jaw dropping over that type of thing existed .
Looks like I invested into OLED at the perfect time early last year with my C2. It's already on the way out and by the time I'm looking for my next TV there will be infinite contrast mini led and micro led TVs with 5x the brightness of an OLED and no burn in risk.
When are Micro-LED TV's coming to market? They are supposed to be the future.
2035-2040 ?
We're still 10-15 years away from them being available in 55-75 inch sizes at below $10,000.
We are very far from affordable MicroLED TVs!!
They're still in the future
If you're willing to spend 100K+ you can buy one... not even sure how much they cost. but seriously, wait another decade maybe. It's still too expensive to manufacture
Isn't "325% more" actually 4.25x?
@cw205mi16: We were shown an internal presentation deck (which was more technical than the press release) that said there are up to 3x as many local dimming zones.
@@hdtvtest Vincent. Isn't the math kind of weird when they say a 65" QN90C and 65" Bravia 9 has similar zone count. But the Bravia 9 supposed to have up to 3x as many zones as the X95L. We know the QN90C has 720 zones in 65". And the X95L 65" has 480 zones. 3x480= 1440 zones. That is double the QN90C.
So either it has a lot less than 3x, barely even 2x or it's a QN95C at 1440 zones (actually is in 65") and they labeled it wrong. Something doesn't add up.
Maybe the 65" has a lot less zones than the 85"? A 3x 85" Bravia 9 compared to 85" X95L would land around 2600 zones. Since it's up from 860 zones.
In any case, it's more zones and we can see it. Just confusing.
I still have the 900e sitting in the living room and a 90j maybe next year if a mini led 55” comes out I’ll be getting one
No 65“ Bravia 9 for Europe, thats crazy and a good strategy to loose customers this year to other brands…
Sony make odd decisions. always have but no 65" for the UK is odd even for them!
The number of zones look awfully low in those exposed shots. Can only assume it'll still bloom in dark rooms which is disappointing in a flagship TV.
My 85"X95K doesn't bloom any differently than my LG C1 does.
@@DrakonR Any LED has some bloom. The C1 has none.
However, your perception might be correct.
Watch your C1 in the dark and put on some white text over a black background. You will see some blooming. Guess what? It's in your eyes!
To prove it, put your finger over the white text and you will see the 'blooming' is gone! This means that OLED's outperform our own eyes in contrast which is pretty nuts!
I don't know a lot about the differences between OLED and mini-LED, but if they can promise the same vivid colors and amazing contrast with 50% more brightness than their OLEDs, then I'm in. I just picked up a 65" A95L two weeks ago and I'm very impressed. If the new Bravia 9 is that good, I might have to move the A95L into my bedroom and pick-up a new 75" Bravia 9 for my living room. 😏
Mini-LED can never compete with OLED. The infinite contrast, perfect blacks, viewing angles, etc. cannot be matched.
Talk about FOMO! Enjoy that A95L. It's not going to bested by the Bravia 9 in all departments. Do you want higher peak brightness, go Bravia 9. Do you want better blacks, zero blooming or faster response times? Keep A95L.
FWIW, not much material is even going to take advantage of the higher brightness available on the new Bravia's.
@@bearclaw5115 Haha. Thanks for the reply. I'm loving my A95L, so probably won't be looking to replace it. I didn't realize mini-led wasn't as great of a picture overall. Thanks for clearing it up. I guess once the Bravia 9 releases we can expect the price of the A94L to drop and then I might consider getting the 77". We'll have to wait and see.
@@redpillthinking6043Infinite contrast is marketing talk.
The US never got anything smaller than a 85” for the x95L. Now there is the Bravia 7, we need a comparison to see if the 7 matches the x95L in terms of performance.
Correction: Sony doesn't want to pay for OLED, so they try to convince you mini LED at OLED pricing is just as good.
You're coping, coping and seething. 🎶
Nah. They are still fielding two OLED's this year. I think that they are betting that for most people the new LED backlighting system will dazzle and look good enough to most. They keep the OLED's around for the purists but didn't put much effort into that part of the line up.
@@bearclaw5115 Good info to know, thanks for educating me :)
The year is 2024 and Sony still only has two HDMI 2.1 ports. ☠️
right.... smh great picture, but you get less for the price
I guess they're meaning to say the PS5 and your earc sound are the only reason you'd need an HDMI 2.1 port.
Again, that's MediaTek's fault, not Sony's. Sony sticks with the MediaTek SoC platform because it offers the best image processing for their XR processor technology. For now, Sony isn't willing to give up image processing ability/quality just to get two more HDMI 2.1 ports. Send your complaints on this over to the folks at MediaTek, not Sony.
a 75 inch sony would be so nice but my bedroom is too small and 65 inch is the most
10x10 room can take 77. Get a G series. They mount very close to the wall
Glasses looking really fly. Where can I get a pair?
I just care about upscaling in which Sony is unbeatable🎉
Agreed. Though Panasonic ain't too far behind imo.
Not really, lg has caught up on the lg g3. Gradation as well.’
This aint 2017 anymore but good luck telling people that. Sony has mindshare.
@@rome8602 Arguably the new G4 has better processing than any Sony to date. I'm sure they will respond though!
Have to love all these people so evangelical about OLED, and throwing shade because of not using OLED. As if it's magic and the only technology that should be used 😂😂😂. The results are all that matters.....the technology is irrelevant beyond that. I have not seen one of these in person to judge for myself....but clearly a lot of TV people (on YT and online) that have seen them have been quite impressed. Also have to love how so many people think the display tech is all that matters.....as if the image processors, dimming zones etc don't matter.
Right? I enjoy my LG C1, but my 85"X95K miniLED is on another level with HDR and SDR.
When's the G4 review coming Vince?
Sony. Folks who truly understand it's not just what you have, it's how you use it.
This just seems like they are trying to reinvent the wheel.
😂
Making better tv's is what Sony should be doing.
@@bearclaw5115I thought the end goal was self-emissive technology?
This is the same as polishing a turd.
Mini led ftw!
Oled is so yesterday 😂
isnt color better on OLED? And isnt these brightness wars pointless like 4k nits is eye searingly bright. Sometimes my s89c which is only 1200nits makes me have to squint in certain HDR scenes. i cant imagine 4k nits
I wonder how the BFI is on these. From the pictures, I saw some BFI on those TVs, donno at what hz though.
Vincent.... any of your sponsors have solutions to import a TV from the uk to europe? Example the Bravia 7 55" wich regretably....will not come to europe?
I won't be buying a Sony😢
I really don’t Give A Rats Ass if you don’t buy a Sony T.V.
@user-hj6hi9ho2k Wow, you're a comedian. Must be nice to have original funny material. I still cant stop laughing. I wish you were my neighbor your so funny 😁
Yet you came to a Sony review video, why?
Well, I guess I’ll be recommending Samsung S95D TV’s instead of Sony to my clients going forward 🤷
Only if the can deal with the anti-reflective coating that washes out the blacks. Maybe there is a way to remove the coating.
Just like with the Frame, the matt finish on the S95D does impact the color presentation to a significant degree. If color accuracy matters at all, then Samsung TVs (in any model) are certainly not the TVs you would ever want to be looking at or recommending to anyone. Over boosted and over saturated colors on literally every single model they make. Only really acceptable if all you ever do is watch cartoons or play video games.
@@michaelbeckerman7532 I can tell you’re not an installer because if you were, you would realize that Samsung hasn’t discontinued the frame line. The reason they haven’t discontinued the frame line is because they sell a lot of those TV’s to wealthy people. And for some godforsaken reason that demographic likes those TVs. Also, when you say Samsung has horrible colors. You would be correct about their edge lit LED stuff but when it comes to QD-OLED panels, the Samsung panels can be calibrated to look exactly like the Sony panels because remember Sony buys their QD-OLED panels from Samsung. If you have a K-10-A and it’s the same panel, you can set them to look exactly the same on colors. All I’m saying is that I’m not going to recommend Sony mini LED TVs that are going to have some blooming issues ( no matter how minor )and other artifacting that inevitably will happen with many LED technology. Right now QD-OLD ( & W-OLED in the 80+ inch size )are the better technology, especially in the TAX bracket that I sell solutions in.
@@businesstheotakuskitchen9000 I never said Samsung discontinued their Frame line and I'm well aware that they haven't. Also, if you spend anywhere from $2,000 to $5,000 on a new TV and then say, "Oh, it will look right once you spend an extra $375 to have it professionally calibrated" I would have to ask you why? Why is it the customer's job/responsibility to have to go in and fix the mistakes made by the manufacturer, right out of the box? Why can't Samsung just get their colors right straight out of the box to begin with? Well, we all know why, don't we? Because their marketing strategy is largely predicated on colors that "pop" and catch customers eye while they are in shopping the stores. The problem is that over-saturated, over-boosted color presentation is far from accurate, authentic or realistic. Once customers get those TVs home and realize how unnatural things look on them, they don't feel quite so good about their purchase decision. Yet, people keep right on falling for that exact same marketing trick, year after year, like lemmings being lead off a cliff. Sad.
I would have loved to see a Sony 83" with MLA or QD-OLED (yes I know Samsung isn't making them yet, but a fellow can dream).
I won't be upgrading my A80J until there is an 83" or larger that smashes it to pieces and fits my budget.
How will the Input lag/response time be improved to come closer to oled?
There seems to be a significant difference based on a video from this channel some years back.
Has the situation improve?
Or did it get worse due to the need to control/updates all the dimming zones separately?
one less option to look at I guess 😆
Cries with my A95L.
Why? It will still be the best TV available in 2024.
It’s still a fantastic tv, I’m over here happy with my 2021 tcl r646
@@floz9718no
technically if your asking me no one should be buying A95L unless that money is pocket change to them because technology is improving so fast these days, 5k on a TV kind of iffy to spend. Regardless, it still a really good TV, it will do everything this mini LED can do and maybe better (we will see). The power bill is less with the mini LED but for the most part the OLED will stand its time for a long time even till microLEDs. By then, you might have burn in, and want to buy a micro LED.
@@progz5232 I hope so mate, I mean the FOMO is real, NGL. The only thing I don't like is that HDR brightness is limited on A95L, especially in Professional and for DV i feel like there are some crushed shadows in DV DARK or BRIGHT mode (bright mode not correct) aside from that it's a great TV, yeah. I also only bought the thing 2 month ago xD
It has more nits but no way it can have the same near blacks as per pixel lighting displays
hello dear sir, you know things or 2 about tv's, can you help me out? im torn between these 2 tv's: the Sony 75X81K and the Sony 65X89K, i know the difference's between the 2, which one would you pick? im on a budget and a Sony fan
They are just skipping this year and will update the oled next year.
I can't even afford to hear about SONY TV's so I will just keep buying LG!
I wonder if they can control the backlight at this level also in game mode while having reasonable input lag. Seems like a lot more processing is being done.
Sony M9 with this when?
Still having only 2 HDMI 2.1 ports on a premium price TV is an absolute joke in this day and age.
Blame mediatek.
Yeah… they use what they can get from mediatech
You can solve the issue with an 8k (HDMI 2.1) switcher box now.
No, it's really not. Even the "hard core" gamers that buy TVs with four HDMI 2.1 ports almost never end up using all of them. They just want them so they can SAY they have them.