I found a bug in mine, the CPU throttles back massively with the EGPU attached UNLESS you go into the BIOS and change the IGPU from Auto to Enabled. Beelink seemed confused, too.
Sounds like an EC issue, the bane of many eGPU users lives... nearly always some degree of discovering stuff like this. On my Dell laptops I need to disable adaptive C-states to keep the EC happy and consequently the CPU at full speed.
@@OTechnology I use a script that disables the dGPU automatically when eGPU is connected and the EC was going crazy, I guess having the dGPU disabled makes it angry. Anyway, that BIOS setting "disable adaptive C-states for dedicated graphics" or whatever fixed the issue... I guess it makes some sense.
@@theftking Yep! I wasn’t even expecting it to fix the throttling, I only tried it because I’d seen someone else say that the IGPU disappears from Device Manager when using the EGPU, and I wanted to see if this was a solution. (It was)
Thanks for the interesting video Wendell! Would these pcie docks also do a good job of handling a high speed network adapter? (2 x 10G or 2 x 25G ports)
I just hope that mini PCs start supporting full PCie lanes in the style of this one, that would actually make it a killer deal. Recently I built a PC but before buying all the parts I was looking at some Mini PCs because you can find some really good deals, the problem was that even with oculink you can lose some performance with an egpu, if they start adding the full PCie lane then there's no more limit for an egpu (I think) and then it can actually compete with any or almost any desktop PC
What I don't get is: why this layout? Why block the fans of the gpu with the mini-pc, when you could have it mirrored, so that the fans of the gpu are on the outside.
Based in my experience waiting for the original screwdriver, they're manufacturing bottlenecked. Ordered at the earliest preorder, arrived around Christmas. It was something like 4 months.
I have Asus stric oc edition rtx 3090 in my closet. I wonder if you could somehow remove the factory overclock permanently and make it work with that. I think it pulls too much power with the overclock. I think that with the card I have would become a decent portable computer that I could connect to 15 inch portable oled display that I have normally used as extra display with my laptop.
Cool solution but i am not loving the lack of enclosure around the GPU. Why coudn't we have a little box around that. 2 psu plugs also sucks for something semi portable
So, immediate impression after seeing it assembled at about a minute into the video: whoever designed this didn't use their brain... the PCI-E bus should have been installed 180° rotated, so that the GPU's fans could draw in air unobstructedly, instead of having the likely also hot mini PC as a wall right in front of the fans... how anyone could fail to realize this and then ask 700 bucks for such a product, welp... definitely not something I'd ever consider buying.
Plus: having the GPU face the other way would also have been a cool feature simply just for showing off the likely most expensive single item out of your entire build.
Yeah, this was the first thing that struck me about it when I first saw it on the ETA Prime channel. It's just so damned obvious it should be the other way around, and surely the cabling of the "riser" inside it wouldn't be that much more expensive. Don't forget, though, that you can just plug a card right into the bottom of the box and feed it power from your own power supply, so it would be pretty easy to make something that looked (and maybe even functioned) a bit better.
Why does the mini pc stand in front of the gpu... it blocks the gpu fans a bit.... The dock is too poor... it needs to fully support atleast a 4090 out of the box... so it can run at its full wattage...and include potensially needed cables that are needed for nvidia and amd..
it's a occulink to pcie connector with a housing. it's probably a technological limitation of the cable. The way I see it one of the GPU fans also provides airflow to the miniPC.
Would really like this without the jazz trumpet and drums in the background. This is definitely one of the more tolerable examples but this is one of the worst tends in modern TH-cam
Why get a mini-PC in the first place if you want the power of full size GPU? Just build/get a mid-tower. Cool that they done this, but makes me wonder if it will appeal to the people who initially went for the sleek form factor of a mini PC. With those aux power cables sticking out of the GPU it looks more like a test bench
I agree with you also we have mini it’s for this, just make sure you get a low to mid range at the most for this as like he said you only have 4 out of 16 pci lanes available.
Mini PCs with eGPUs don't do anything for me. None of that mess appeals to me over something like an ITX build in a case like Fractal Terra. The MS-01 was a much more interesting direction for mini PCs to go for expandible systems.
over 1,200 for the Mini PC Plus the dock and the GPU is not included seriously what is the point of this you've crossed the threshold into building a desktop PC or buying a gaming laptop
Why would they bother putting a PCIE port (knowing what people will do with it) but limit it to x8? There are pleny of lanes available so whats the deal here? (plenty of data has proven x8 vs x16 makes a big difference). If you're going to "disrupt" the market, don't half ass it, whole ass it!
I looked at the title of this video when I was scrolling through TH-cam and I was like, " whatever yawn, seen so many of these videos" "wait, ooo this is a level 1 video, it'll actually be good. Watch!" Also every time I see this little short level one video after your intro I think I have dust on my screen. Then when the videos over because there's a couple little dots on the monitors behind you I think again oh I really do have a couple pieces of dust on my screen. Ahhhb
What an ugly design .. Dock is bigger than the PC but smaller than the GPU, colors and styling is all different, and the PC blocks the fans on the GPU and limits the thickness. It's a great idea, GPUs are so demanding that GPU-centered construction is called for. They just need to swap the PC and GPU, and design it as the showpiece that it is. Edit: I just notice the PC's own "speakers" (LOL) point straight into the GPU fan. Have you ever tried talking into a fan? Yeah, WTF. What Turbulent Fun.
I found a bug in mine, the CPU throttles back massively with the EGPU attached UNLESS you go into the BIOS and change the IGPU from Auto to Enabled. Beelink seemed confused, too.
Sounds like an EC issue, the bane of many eGPU users lives... nearly always some degree of discovering stuff like this. On my Dell laptops I need to disable adaptive C-states to keep the EC happy and consequently the CPU at full speed.
@@lemagreengreen I had so many issues with EC limiting power when not needed from the big brand laptops like from HP and Dell.
@@OTechnology I use a script that disables the dGPU automatically when eGPU is connected and the EC was going crazy, I guess having the dGPU disabled makes it angry. Anyway, that BIOS setting "disable adaptive C-states for dedicated graphics" or whatever fixed the issue... I guess it makes some sense.
You need to enable the iGPU to get proper performance from the EGPU? That's intuitive :/
@@theftking Yep! I wasn’t even expecting it to fix the throttling, I only tried it because I’d seen someone else say that the IGPU disappears from Device Manager when using the EGPU, and I wanted to see if this was a solution.
(It was)
GPU becomes machine and PC becomes modular attachment
Thank you, Wendellman! 🙏🏼
I wish this became a multi-vendor platform with power in the dock for the PC.
Love these sort of quirky solutions that look like they belong in an R&D lab, well done beelink!
LTT owes you ad revenue for their screwdrivers 😂
they just sent an L1 engraved mini precision screwdriver!!!
@@Level1Techs If you were billing Linus for all the times he's called on you, I would love to know what that standing bill looks like.
Next thing we know, Gamers Nexus will be doing an exposé on how Wendell's editorial direction has been compromised by LTT. XD
Now shove it into a backpack and make a mobile VR station.
Yay!
Nothing hits the spot on a Saturday like a fresh TH-cam video from Wendell. 👍🏼
Thanks for the interesting video Wendell!
Would these pcie docks also do a good job of handling a high speed network adapter? (2 x 10G or 2 x 25G ports)
Call me shallow but I wished the Dock matched the anodized aluminum silver of the GTi14 Ultra. Looks interesting still though.
It is a bit of a janky looking design, almost looks like something home made. Not quite but definitely doesn't really match the system very well.
The PC... didn't appreciate it but I sure did.... good job Wendell!
I just hope that mini PCs start supporting full PCie lanes in the style of this one, that would actually make it a killer deal. Recently I built a PC but before buying all the parts I was looking at some Mini PCs because you can find some really good deals, the problem was that even with oculink you can lose some performance with an egpu, if they start adding the full PCie lane then there's no more limit for an egpu (I think) and then it can actually compete with any or almost any desktop PC
What I don't get is: why this layout? Why block the fans of the gpu with the mini-pc, when you could have it mirrored, so that the fans of the gpu are on the outside.
Awesome, thanks for the learning.
That oh "god, it's 5am" hits so hard 😂 have said the same somany times when playing its so easy to lose track when you start a build
wait, 7900xtx will just barely saturate 8 lanes? damn I don't feel bad running dual 6800xt's at 8x
This is exactly the sort of machine student me dreamed of. The problem is, student me existed 15 years ago.
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Getting a mod mat and P driver when they are in stock eventually... soon... 🧐
Electrically Connect is the best kind of Connect
Ordered my LTT Precision 2 months ago. Still waiting!
You expect a 🤡 to ship product?
That makes you the bozo.
Based in my experience waiting for the original screwdriver, they're manufacturing bottlenecked. Ordered at the earliest preorder, arrived around Christmas. It was something like 4 months.
"for the lulz" 🤣 Love your sense of humor. Cheers!
I have Asus stric oc edition rtx 3090 in my closet. I wonder if you could somehow remove the factory overclock permanently and make it work with that. I think it pulls too much power with the overclock. I think that with the card I have would become a decent portable computer that I could connect to 15 inch portable oled display that I have normally used as extra display with my laptop.
Cool solution but i am not loving the lack of enclosure around the GPU. Why coudn't we have a little box around that.
2 psu plugs also sucks for something semi portable
So, immediate impression after seeing it assembled at about a minute into the video: whoever designed this didn't use their brain... the PCI-E bus should have been installed 180° rotated, so that the GPU's fans could draw in air unobstructedly, instead of having the likely also hot mini PC as a wall right in front of the fans... how anyone could fail to realize this and then ask 700 bucks for such a product, welp... definitely not something I'd ever consider buying.
Plus: having the GPU face the other way would also have been a cool feature simply just for showing off the likely most expensive single item out of your entire build.
Yeah, this was the first thing that struck me about it when I first saw it on the ETA Prime channel. It's just so damned obvious it should be the other way around, and surely the cabling of the "riser" inside it wouldn't be that much more expensive. Don't forget, though, that you can just plug a card right into the bottom of the box and feed it power from your own power supply, so it would be pretty easy to make something that looked (and maybe even functioned) a bit better.
This looks SOO awesome :D
Sweet!
Nice view, can you test it with 4070? will there be a bottleneck?
Arc 770 makes alot of sense here or an nvidia, look a like that has the same size. Would be a smart solution.
Hey yall tested the gtx960 like 9yrs ago lol but is it any good for games nowadays?
I did a similar trick last night also involving sticking something gigantic into something tiny
TMI
Wendell can this Intel MiniPC run Windows 10?
hello dear wendell
Sickos: Yes! YES!
what will saturate 16x and if nothing than why have motherboards been x16? is it a gaming marketing thing?
it's more nuanced than that. low res high fps will bottleneck more than high res where the GPU is doing more of the render work vs off GPU stuff
"Please dust regularly?"
Gotta love stuff being lost in translation...:')
Timespy is not a CPU bottleneck test...
This docking station is only 8X speed though.
Can I get any CPU water blocks from LTT? Preferably in an auction.
a single x8 slot, cha ching: No Sale.... a dual x4 would be far more useful
This is cool.
I like to keep components inside a box with plenty of air moving... BEHIND FILTERS THAT KEEPS DUST OUT....
There should be an epcie standard
Now we just need proper firmware updates from the vendor.
Why does the mini pc stand in front of the gpu... it blocks the gpu fans a bit....
The dock is too poor... it needs to fully support atleast a 4090 out of the box... so it can run at its full wattage...and include potensially needed cables that are needed for nvidia and amd..
it's a occulink to pcie connector with a housing. it's probably a technological limitation of the cable.
The way I see it one of the GPU fans also provides airflow to the miniPC.
Would really like this without the jazz trumpet and drums in the background. This is definitely one of the more tolerable examples but this is one of the worst tends in modern TH-cam
Why get a mini-PC in the first place if you want the power of full size GPU? Just build/get a mid-tower.
Cool that they done this, but makes me wonder if it will appeal to the people who initially went for the sleek form factor of a mini PC. With those aux power cables sticking out of the GPU it looks more like a test bench
I agree with you also we have mini it’s for this, just make sure you get a low to mid range at the most for this as like he said you only have 4 out of 16 pci lanes available.
2 fan , 12-16gb
Mini PCs with eGPUs don't do anything for me. None of that mess appeals to me over something like an ITX build in a case like Fractal Terra. The MS-01 was a much more interesting direction for mini PCs to go for expandible systems.
3DFX maybe?
Just build the doc into the gpu I mean we want a ac power cord on the anyways….
And they could of put a 120v outlet on the doc as well for pass through dam
over 1,200 for the Mini PC Plus the dock and the GPU is not included seriously what is the point of this you've crossed the threshold into building a desktop PC or buying a gaming laptop
I don’t understand why buy a mini pc then spend a ton of cash on a doc to attach a giant card.
Yay for lols.😊
for version 2, they should flip the gpu so it doesn't blow hot air on the pc.
Why would they bother putting a PCIE port (knowing what people will do with it) but limit it to x8? There are pleny of lanes available so whats the deal here? (plenty of data has proven x8 vs x16 makes a big difference). If you're going to "disrupt" the market, don't half ass it, whole ass it!
Mobile CPUs don't have enough PCIe lanes to go x16 so even if they wanted it would be up to CPU manufacturers
My idea
I looked at the title of this video when I was scrolling through TH-cam and I was like, " whatever yawn, seen so many of these videos"
"wait, ooo this is a level 1 video, it'll actually be good. Watch!"
Also every time I see this little short level one video after your intro I think I have dust on my screen. Then when the videos over because there's a couple little dots on the monitors behind you I think again oh I really do have a couple pieces of dust on my screen. Ahhhb
What is the point with a mini PC if you hook it up to this massive thing lol just buy a normal case then.
First! (excluding spam bot comment).
Dock seems badly designed.
The PC should be on the otherside of GPU so that the GPU fans are not obstructed.
the way I see it. the GPU fan is providing air flow into the PC.
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@@tanmaypanadi1414 Think harder! the GPU fans drawer air onto the GPU, not away from it, so my point still stands.
Second, that being said you guys should look at Mohamnad Marandi, he looks like a middle eastern wendel 🗿
This is pretty useless if just compatible with a specific beelink model.
What an ugly design .. Dock is bigger than the PC but smaller than the GPU, colors and styling is all different, and the PC blocks the fans on the GPU and limits the thickness.
It's a great idea, GPUs are so demanding that GPU-centered construction is called for. They just need to swap the PC and GPU, and design it as the showpiece that it is.
Edit: I just notice the PC's own "speakers" (LOL) point straight into the GPU fan. Have you ever tried talking into a fan? Yeah, WTF. What Turbulent Fun.
I dont understand the purpose of this thing at all. If you're just going to add on all this shit, why not just buy an actual PC?? I dont get it.