I think people are forgetting that Glimpse of Nature turns Elves into a turn 2 deck, and a very consistent one at that, especially with Green Suns Zenith
@@zaneanderman7957 combination of heritage druid, nettle sentinel and glimpse, you basically draw your whole deck and put the Craterhoof Behemoth on turn 2. Did it a couple times and I don't even have the gaea's cradles
You’ve always been a fun and informative magic player to watch, but over the recent months you have seriously increased the entertainment value of your videos as well. I don’t know if it was on purpose or by happenstance, but it’s still an excellent move.
@@NikachuMTG In all honesty ~year or two ago I subscribed and rarely watched your content, it just.. lacked something. However I got one of your new vids in my recommended and the difference is beyond noticeable, each vid is just better than the next!
Mostly agree! However I think you miss evaluate Green sun's zenith: You can see it as a mana dork just like noble hierarch, which just has about many more modes! Turn 1 llanowar elves is just the baseline of this card! Each round this card just becomes stronger. That makes it the best first turn play and the best lategame card in your deck
It's a good card and it would definitely see play, but why is it unacceptable? You have to pay mana to search, so it's fairer than the other tutors. It only gets green creatures, too.
@xMithril Hogaak was a mistake, but only cause of all the other busted GY cards they've printed over the years. Hogaak in a vacuum is actually fine, and a pretty cool card.
Absolutely. He downplays the power of it a lot. It can be a ramp spell, utility creature, finisher, or combo piece. It's whichever one you need, exactly when you need it. It's so much better than Turntimber Symbiosis that it's not even funny. Turntimber can get you a Primeval Titan, but GSZ always does. Unless you already have one in hand, then GSZ helps you ramp it out. Edit: beyond that, it's a great video, I just found him through my recommendations, and these modern ban list videos have been fun to watch
the card is in vintage cube for a reason. For dryad arbor it's land > GSZ > dryad arbor > mana dork > 4 mana on turn 2. And if you draw it later it's a get your wincon. the card is insanely powerful
Why is it broken? Ragavan gives you mana for free. Wrenn and Six gives you perfect mana forever. Summoner's Pact is a better tutor in the Primeval Titan decks. GSZ is fair.
6:15 I felt that. I dream every night for eleves to at least be a B+ tier deck. Elvish warmaster looks to be a decent addition, but we still need more.
If Ragavan is fine, I don't see any issue with DRS. POD also is probably fine, the deck is slow. Summer bloom got banned since they didn't want to kill the deck. As titan is good but has never been oppressive I think they made the correct choice.
The thing about glimpse of nature is that is kinda enables it's own deck. You just kinda whoops your entire deck into your hand and onto the battlefield with that one.
As a jund player I would wish deathrite would be unbanned, because jund would use him the most fairly. But he'd just end up in all the uro piles and it would be miserable.
Deathrite is not a "I win" card. But, the fact that players are dreading hyper-value cards for just being 'unfairly fair', Deathrite is the zenith of such cards (efficiency + hyper value + interaction).
Best thing I ever did against Hypergenesis in Legacy was StP the Shardless Agent, used Knight of the Reliquary to fetch Karakas and bounced their Emrakul, and then activated Liliana of the Veil to make them sacrifice their last creature - Progenitus. My opponent was so pissed.
Love these videos. Hope you do a series like this one for ban worthy cards. "White... nothing deserves a ban" Blue... Mystic Sanctuary etc ...Red, Tibalt's Trickery, Simian Spirit Guide, Mana Morehouse, keyword Prowess... lol jk. Might be a fun topic though.
How was throne of eldraine and companion printed in the same year? I want to see no ban list standard for that block, just to see how far from reality they were playing
It doesn't become turn 2 deck, legacy deck wins t3 average with no interaction, and there are so many cards that aren't modern legal (too old), so it would be turn 4/5 and is super vunerable to ab hate, its fine.
@@mopsican dude my modern go wide elves wins turn 3 on avg, turn 4 on slow or no nettle sentinel or heritage druid early hands, turn 2 hand dumps with 6 or so more mana available usually and being able to draw cards off all the elves would be insane, draw into craterhoof behemoth and lethal turn 2 is possible but not likely
The problem with hyper genesis is that it would instantly slot into a broken as hell cascade deck. It would basically be sneak and show but for the cascade mechanic
I played with birthing pod in my Yisan DuelCommander deck This was busted The games where I had the pod were basically "Do you answer it, or do you die next turn ?"
I missed so much in terms of cards and mechanics while out of the game but that Hypergenesis is like a watered down Eureka. I used to play Eureka in a 5 colored deck with 22 UNL dual lands, Mana Flare, Mirari's Wake, Urza's Rage, Avatar of Woe etc. While my opponents are putting down elves or merfolk, I am ramping my mana speed and dropping assasins. Then comes Fireball or Rage, regrowth it back and repeat. Side note, in our circle of players we didn't follow banned or unbanned. If you had it, could afford it, you could play it. We had some insane games back then but today's current cards seem far more powerful.
Not really..... Yugioh metas are more about spamming monsters or setting traps from your hand, deck, or extra deck. When Dredge was meat, it was way more focused on grave shenanigans, mill, and drawing
Okay so that Among us thing was great. Idk who did that but hell yeah. The truth about Summer Bloom is it allows then 1 wins. So with Wizards Decision to ban the engine cards and not the power cards it makes sense. One of them, or the titan, had to be banned. Keeping the Amulet around creates an archetype. Keeping Summer Bloom around creates a dead card until something else is printed and then one of them has to be banned. So I unfortunately agree with them. Fun fact. The titan is only the backup kill in the original Amulet Titan deck. The origin deck used the card that copied spells to actually win. And the original original version, the one that most don't know about, used Patron of the Moon to create infinite Mana turn 1.
I feel death rite shaman has gotten power crept and there is just better things, and strategies, and there is a lot more answers now than when it initially took the ban and deck spaces have gotten way tighter for consistency purposes to be even teched or splashed in because there are better tech cards to answer more problematic cards/decks than deathrite shaman. Also it's an elf and just like glimpse of nature us elf players need all the help we can get :) and give me my green sun zenith back so I can run it along with coco.
I think hypergenesis would be better in the electrodominance/as foretold shell than cascade. There you could instant speed it and run cantrips and stuff.
If we unban both green's sun zenith and glimpse of nature, elves would probably be a top deck. Im not sure whether it would be too broken, but it would be insane.
I don't think green sun zenith is broken but would not put it in unban section. The reason is that would add consistancy in already meta deck like heliod deck. Been able to go search for spike feeder and conclave mentor or arbor elf is really strong. And I don't even talk about every combo that would push into meta section. I think serious research should be done before unban it.
...I would love elves to get glimpse and green sun again. There could be some sweet mono green builds and maybe even the GB package could roll with them.
Summer Bloom seems like it'd be really good in more than just Amulet right now. Given that you have Field of the Dead, Dryad of the Ilysian Grove, Omnath, and Uro running around, it seems like getting that much ramp in one turn would be pretty tough to beat. I also think we're sleeping on Glimpse of nature a bit. People would find a way to play a card that good. Given that it says "play" and not "cast" probably means something too.
Green Sun Zenith would make elves run a lot better and could help other green based creature decks. I think it's just good enough for a ban. Aside from that I agree with your list, I would love to see the Glimpse of Nature unbanned
not gonna lie, i love toolbox decks and value decks so much. I understand how broken birthing pod is, but I still love it. I have to try with pyre of heroes, which is not ideal.
Birthing pod also has the bonus of having the slightly weaker Prime Speaker who can kick off the same chain to make the deck now have 8 copies of its combo piece
I Totally agree with GSZ. Tutor dryad arbor t1 is just a simple ramp. I rather play arboreal gazer if I'm just ramping. Tutors only green makes it worse comparable to instant speed convocable Chord of Calling. I see it as a good card, but in fringe strategies nowadays.
Dredge is basically super card draw for a graveyard deck, and it allows you to abuse free spells and creatures, another broken mechanic. It's not a problem in a format without free graveyard cards (like in pauper), but it can easily become problematic. Glimpse of Nature, instead, is dangerous because it's actual card draw, and it might allow elves to easily combo off on turn 2 or 3
I remember playing with hypergenesis in extended. I don't recall exactly how the deck worked but you'd put magister sphinx and 2 bogardan hellkite into play killing them one shot
The combo of Primeval Titan, Dryad and Amulet is OP. But while the other decks fight amongst themselves, Amulet Titan just stays in the background with a smile on it's evil face. The greatest trick the devil ever pulled was convincing the world he wasn't ban worthy.
It's funny to think back about Zendikar-Scars Standard era, and how all those Phyrexian mana cards weren't ban-worthy in Standard despite their power. But now WotC can't release a new set without some busted-ass cards coming out needing bans across Standard and ALL formats! It seems to me they don't playtest Standard much either, as there's far more problems everywhere than their used to be. Hell, half these banned cards stuck around in Modern for a good while before bans...
I still think DRS should be unbanned considering how powerful the format is on turn 1 right now. The key is that DRS doesn't target creatures. If they made a functional reprint of DRS that only interacted with YOUR graveyard instead of ANY graveyard, it would be an unbelievably fair card.
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Pod is the safest unban on the whole list. It was fine back when Modern was 2 turns slower, it would likely see very little play today.
Seriously. Turn 1 elf into turn 2 Pod into threatening a turn 3 fragile win is too powerful, while Oops and Belcher decks are winning on turns 2 and 3. Puh-lease.
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@@Gallagher2x2 Also if some newly printed card breaks Pod with infinite combo, just ban that card instead. See Karn + Lattice and so many other examples of that.
You can’t unban Glimpse, trust me. Elves isn’t good right now because it’s essentially a midrange deck. They’re trying to go wide and pump their creatures for the win. With Glimpse, Elves becomes a combo deck. Picture this: t1: Llanowar Elves. t2: Heritage Druid, Nettle Sentinel, tap them all for mana. Without Glimpse, you’re probably running out of cards. With Glimpse, now we go Glimpse, second Sentinel, draw a card, Llanowar Elves, draw a card, tap the three untapped Elves for more mana, find another Glimpse, continue playing more Elves because now each one gains you both mana and cards, build up enough mana for Craterhoof, GG. Pretty easy turn 2 kill and consistent turn 3 kill.
Assembling the double Nettle + Heritage turn 2/3 god combo is far from easy or consistent. It definitely will happen, but it wouldn't be oppressive or common. Also dies to tons the usual stuff like Bolt, Push, Path, Thoughtseize... Heck, you can do that combo with the current builds with Lead the Stampede or Winding Way or CoCo with something like a Dwynen's Elite. Source: Elves player for 7 years.
@@davidgir123 It's definitely not always going to go off on turn 2, but I think turn 3 would be pretty consistent, and the big upside of Glimpse is that if you manage to fizzle in the middle of your combo, you probably have enough cards in your hand to still potentially go off on the next turn. You bring up Lead the Stampede and Winding Way. Those cards are about 3 mana draw 3-4 for Lead and 2-3 for Way. Glimpse on a combo turn is usually more like 1 mana draw 7-8. There's a massive difference there, enough to the point that I don't think Glimpse is unbannable.
I played exclusively Pod back in the days and the Pod combo chain you mention is pretty identical to the ones you did back then. Going for turn 3 Kiki (back then it was turn 4 with Phantasmal Image) was almost never correct. So much so that many players removed Phantasmal Image entirely from the deck. Going for that quick of a win seems super busted but in reality *any* interaction and you're dead. It might not seem like you've used up a lot of resources, but you learn very quickly playing the deck how devastating this position is for you. Pod was always about patience. That's why Melira Pod (and its superior mana base) edged out Kiki Pod even though the Melira combo was 10x more clunky and slow. And that's why the value Pod decks edged out both combos in the end. I will say that Renagade Rallier is a busted inclusion to the deck. And there might be other value dorks that I'm not picturing right now that would break Pod wide open. I'm just not sold on the combo potential.
The point is that future Pod decks would still have a value plan but they have to "threaten" a combo kill every turn. Of course they dont go for it if the opponent holds up interaction. But if they slow themselves down with interaction, you bury them in value. If they try to catch up by tapping out, you combo kill them.
@@NikachuMTG That was always the plan. With Kiki Pod you threatened lethal almost every turn while slowly building up a soft lock. And yet that version was always inferior. And no one played it in the end. People learned that just having a Pod in play was good enough to win on its own. So no reason to compromise your mana base as radically as Kiki forced you to and no reason to add a lot of dead draws to your deck. I might be underestimating how much more powerful getting Kiki out a turn earlier is though. Especially on the play. But my gut tells me that the value versions would still prevail in the end. It's all just speculation, I know. :)
I look forward to hearing about the banned White cards that currently exist in MTG. The discussion probably wont last too long, but I look forward to it nonetheless. I mean ALL of them Nika!
I lub dredge "The correct number of Once Upon a Time is always one less than you currently have in the deck" - Negator77 (I know it's legacy, just thought it was a funny quote)
Wouldnt glimpse of nature be busted with memnites, ornithopters, and that gorilla and elf that u can discard to add a red/green mana, manamorphose, rite of flame/ritual +grapeshot? Seems like u can play your whole deck on turn 1
one of the main reasons why wizards banned birthing pod is that it stifled r&d on creatures due to having to consider any new creatures interaction with the card. But wizards r&d has already shit the bed plenty with birthing pod banned *chough* oko and Uro *chough*
I wish birthing pod was 4 colorless instead of 3. Although Pyre of Heroes seems to be a more fun and balanced version of Birthing Pod which sounds like alot of people will have fun building off of it. So I feel like with that getting printed, birthing pod is less needed.
With summer bloom, if it was unbanned, any deck that revolves around mass mana, decks like titan, (as mentioned) tron, plain old ramp, really anything like that would be busted, imagine a turn 2 tron on the field, imagine the uro decks with this, imagine how jund and jund shadow would use this to play more threats quicker
You can use the same argument for summer bloom to dredge or elves... And that GSZ unban it's impossible, you can tutor melira instead of vizier and combo off anyway. Also titan could get dryad or azusa, basically using GSZ as a free green pact. Oh and you'd put yawgmoth combo into tier 1 for sure! Because they could search for dorks or green undying creatures for basically free
Melira and Devoted Druid doesn’t work. Part of Druid’s cost is putting a -1/-1 counter on itself but Melira will prevent it. That’s why no one plays the combo like this even though the cards have been around for forever.
Deathrite Shaman would be fine in modern. Putting graveyard decks in check and making games more grindy. There is a ton of removal in the format that would easily deal with a turn 1 or turn 2 Deathrite Shaman. It would just get a "bolt the bird" treatment every time it hits the battlefield. The card is trash late game with an empty board. I would easily take a late game Tarmogoyf, Bob, Kroxa, Seasoned Pyro, and even a Scavenging Ooze over a Deathrite Shaman. I've been saying this forever, the card is fine. Unban it!!
No it is not. The card would MAYBE be okay if it were mono green. As is, it’s much better birds of paradise in black. There’s a reason it’s banned in legacy.
@@datboi5906 Modern isn't Legacy and Legacy isn't Modern. They're two completely different formats. They play and interact differently. Legacy gets to play with brainstorm, FoW, daze, ponder, and so on. All of which made the card extremely consistent. Look at Jace, the Mind Sculptor. Everyone thought he would be too broken in modern when he was unbanned. He was terrible at first because people were playing him as they play him in Legacy. He's amazing in legacy and average in modern. People think deathrite of 2014 modern. Modern has changed as Nikachu said. Deathrite would laughable against big mana decks, super aggro decks like death's shadow, and most combo decks. I still think it's fine to give him a chance in modern, but that's just my opinion.
@@johnboy8881 I disagree. The card is busted anywhere that fetches and interaction are prevalent. It would be e broken in modern. JtMS is a 4 mana card that was helped by the pile of cheap interaction in blue. Deathrite costs 1 and slots into any black and/or green deck as a better birds of paradise at worst. It would not be a healthy card for modern.
I raise you hyper genesis, ancestral vision, as foretold. You would get to play it in a blue/green/x control shell with plenty of card filtering and cantrips and then just win the game or chain multiple hyper genesis into a win
I've been running a black lifedrain/lifelink deck. I haven't played it very much but none of these cards seemed like it would just be game ending against that deck.
Nikachu, in nbm, my favorite deck is what I call the slot machine, basically I use cascade to cheat in random suspend cards, and hypergenosis is basically a get your money back spin, or, I can get in my wincon, spawnsire of ulamog, which has an ability for 10 mana, which is easy to get in allot of ways with this deck including lotus bloom, which is basically black lotus, and also the like 4 infinate mana combos, I can grab as many eldrazi cards I want from my sideboard and put it into play, not to mention that with hypergenesis, you can put MULTIPLE things in play, so if they bounce something, I can play it right back, oh and did I mention that hypergenesis is the only banned card in the deck?
Wouldnt glimpse of nature be really good in a rebuilt affiinity deck, refuel the hand after you dump all the thopters and memnites? Would love to see a brew with it
Glimpse of nature sounds... questionable. I feel like there's some way to break the card outside of elves, maybe with low cost creatures (something like affinity, since they're known for playing basically whatever color gives them the best options? Different build of urza? Not entirely sure, but the card seems dangerous at best)
Im not certain about the Unban of the Tutor. It is an very Powerful spell lets you play cards from Lib. for just 1 more Mana... I mean see it like this: People are actually playing Chord of Calling, which pretty much does the same and cost 3 more Mana. If i remember correctly, than this Beacon card is even Banned in Legacy. And i guess it has its Reasons.
So with SSG gone can I have Hypergenesis back now? I played this deck for years in Legacy but with FoN +FoW the deck is really bad in legacy when it was already barely playable....
Kumena's Speaker definitely deserves a ban. As I really think its just a second copy of Champion of the Parish in modern green/white Merfolk Human tribal. Its absolutely sickening how strong it is against a 1/1 red goblin token and it takes a shot from a Spikefield Hazard like a champ. I just think its the grossest thing to see turn 2 in modern right now.
I think people are forgetting that Glimpse of Nature turns Elves into a turn 2 deck, and a very consistent one at that, especially with Green Suns Zenith
Yeah. Glimpse just makes elves an insane deck
just look at legacy elves if you don't know how strong this is
How?
@@zaneanderman7957 combination of heritage druid, nettle sentinel and glimpse, you basically draw your whole deck and put the Craterhoof Behemoth on turn 2. Did it a couple times and I don't even have the gaea's cradles
Elves would be terrible without the legacy pieces. The true power of Glimpse is in Affinity.
I don't even play modern, but i love these videos. Most entertaining MTG youtuber!
Did they not play test one fucken game before printing throne? Once upon a time was a printed right after a 78 hour meth binge.
🤣🤣🤣🤣 most broken set of all time!
I don’t know what WOTC was smoking at that time, but I want some.
@@a_fuckin_spacemarine7514 Urzas Saga still holds that title.... sorry.
I like to think WOTC took a page from Stephen King and just did a shit load of blow while writing up that set
@@joeldykman7591 Urza's Saga has been turned into a 3/3 Elk.
You’ve always been a fun and informative magic player to watch, but over the recent months you have seriously increased the entertainment value of your videos as well. I don’t know if it was on purpose or by happenstance, but it’s still an excellent move.
Everything is perfectly calculated. I just wish I could do it more often.
@@NikachuMTG In all honesty ~year or two ago I subscribed and rarely watched your content, it just.. lacked something. However I got one of your new vids in my recommended and the difference is beyond noticeable, each vid is just better than the next!
Mostly agree!
However I think you miss evaluate Green sun's zenith: You can see it as a mana dork just like noble hierarch, which just has about many more modes! Turn 1 llanowar elves is just the baseline of this card! Each round this card just becomes stronger. That makes it the best first turn play and the best lategame card in your deck
@@toolboxhero12 Vial is a pretty shit late game top deck tho
It's a good card and it would definitely see play, but why is it unacceptable? You have to pay mana to search, so it's fairer than the other tutors. It only gets green creatures, too.
"When you play against dredge it's no longer a game". Proceeds to pull up the dictionary to prove a point. My god I love these videos.
You have Deathrite Shaman has a hybrid Mana green card, but not Hogaak. Yeah...Hogaak is so busted he can't even be in the video. lol
@xMithril Much like the word "trample" on Hogaak, that's an understatement
@xMithril Hogaak was a mistake, but only cause of all the other busted GY cards they've printed over the years. Hogaak in a vacuum is actually fine, and a pretty cool card.
Oh come on, we all know where hogaak would be at, wotc even admited that they messed up
Free cards are... broken??? Preposterous.
I saw the spoilers for hogaak and knew it would be banned. I had the same feeling for Oko and Uro.
Hearing Nikachu talking about Green Sun's Zenith confirms he's never cast it. GSZ is broken in half
Absolutely. He downplays the power of it a lot. It can be a ramp spell, utility creature, finisher, or combo piece. It's whichever one you need, exactly when you need it. It's so much better than Turntimber Symbiosis that it's not even funny. Turntimber can get you a Primeval Titan, but GSZ always does. Unless you already have one in hand, then GSZ helps you ramp it out.
Edit: beyond that, it's a great video, I just found him through my recommendations, and these modern ban list videos have been fun to watch
@@ironoat Also the most broken part of GSZ is it's shuffle back. Real Busted is when every draw step you have yields a GSZ
the card is in vintage cube for a reason.
For dryad arbor it's land > GSZ > dryad arbor > mana dork > 4 mana on turn 2.
And if you draw it later it's a get your wincon. the card is insanely powerful
@@nathanfievet5546 Dryad has summoning sickness, no clue howyou cast the mana dork to have 4 mana available on turn 2.
Why is it broken? Ragavan gives you mana for free. Wrenn and Six gives you perfect mana forever. Summoner's Pact is a better tutor in the Primeval Titan decks. GSZ is fair.
6:15 I felt that. I dream every night for eleves to at least be a B+ tier deck. Elvish warmaster looks to be a decent addition, but we still need more.
How can we petition to unban it haha
Glimpse wouldn’t turn elves into a B+ deck it would turn it into the best deck. Easily
Been waiting for this list and all your hinting about it in the streams.
If Ragavan is fine, I don't see any issue with DRS.
POD also is probably fine, the deck is slow.
Summer bloom got banned since they didn't want to kill the deck. As titan is good but has never been oppressive I think they made the correct choice.
The thing about glimpse of nature is that is kinda enables it's own deck. You just kinda whoops your entire deck into your hand and onto the battlefield with that one.
As a jund player I would wish deathrite would be unbanned, because jund would use him the most fairly. But he'd just end up in all the uro piles and it would be miserable.
Just ban uro
Deathrite is the problem, if other piles appear, it'll be a problem again.
Deathrite is not a "I win" card. But, the fact that players are dreading hyper-value cards for just being 'unfairly fair', Deathrite is the zenith of such cards (efficiency + hyper value + interaction).
Uro would not be seeing as much play as it is right now if deathrite was legal in modern.
Wouldn’t Deathrite Shaman be policing the Uro decks?
Best thing I ever did against Hypergenesis in Legacy was StP the Shardless Agent, used Knight of the Reliquary to fetch Karakas and bounced their Emrakul, and then activated Liliana of the Veil to make them sacrifice their last creature - Progenitus.
My opponent was so pissed.
Love these videos. Hope you do a series like this one for ban worthy cards.
"White... nothing deserves a ban"
Blue... Mystic Sanctuary etc
...Red, Tibalt's Trickery, Simian Spirit Guide, Mana Morehouse, keyword Prowess... lol jk.
Might be a fun topic though.
These videos are awesome, love what you're doing with the channel! Keep up with the great content master!
This is one of your funniest vids.
9:18 is a pretty good joke, but your facial expressions make it 100x better.
How was throne of eldraine and companion printed in the same year? I want to see no ban list standard for that block, just to see how far from reality they were playing
Likely that Keruga Fires would be the best standard deck again if companion rule were reversed as well
ToE was 2019. Companion didn't hit until 2020 with Ikoria. So it wasn't the same year. They weren't even back to back sets.
@@Xoulrath_ Technically it was within a year's span, with both in the same block
8:20 that had me laughing out loud out of nowhere, and I don't laugh that often... Great comedic timing there sir
I play combo elves and if you put glimpse in to the format elves would be a turn 2 deck
Yeah modern elves and legacy elves have a lot of overlap. Glimpse is way to good for modern.
It doesn't become turn 2 deck, legacy deck wins t3 average with no interaction, and there are so many cards that aren't modern legal (too old), so it would be turn 4/5 and is super vunerable to ab hate, its fine.
@@mopsican dude my modern go wide elves wins turn 3 on avg, turn 4 on slow or no nettle sentinel or heritage druid early hands, turn 2 hand dumps with 6 or so more mana available usually and being able to draw cards off all the elves would be insane, draw into craterhoof behemoth and lethal turn 2 is possible but not likely
I am not used to you cursing in videos and I died laughing upon hearing it in this video I thoroughly enjoyed it.
The problem with hyper genesis is that it would instantly slot into a broken as hell cascade deck. It would basically be sneak and show but for the cascade mechanic
I played with birthing pod in my Yisan DuelCommander deck
This was busted
The games where I had the pod were basically "Do you answer it, or do you die next turn ?"
Imagine Deathrite Shaman in Death's Shadow. Smooths out the Uro and burn matchups. Lol. Not expecting the unban but really wished it were
I missed so much in terms of cards and mechanics while out of the game but that Hypergenesis is like a watered down Eureka. I used to play Eureka in a 5 colored deck with 22 UNL dual lands, Mana Flare, Mirari's Wake, Urza's Rage, Avatar of Woe etc. While my opponents are putting down elves or merfolk, I am ramping my mana speed and dropping assasins. Then comes Fireball or Rage, regrowth it back and repeat.
Side note, in our circle of players we didn't follow banned or unbanned. If you had it, could afford it, you could play it. We had some insane games back then but today's current cards seem far more powerful.
1000 points for that Among Us Meme.
Dredge is Yu-Gi-Oh.
Not really..... Yugioh metas are more about spamming monsters or setting traps from your hand, deck, or extra deck. When Dredge was meat, it was way more focused on grave shenanigans, mill, and drawing
New to this channel. I love the passion this guy has for the game. I've learned a lot going over the various videos.
Okay so that Among us thing was great. Idk who did that but hell yeah.
The truth about Summer Bloom is it allows then 1 wins. So with Wizards Decision to ban the engine cards and not the power cards it makes sense. One of them, or the titan, had to be banned. Keeping the Amulet around creates an archetype. Keeping Summer Bloom around creates a dead card until something else is printed and then one of them has to be banned. So I unfortunately agree with them.
Fun fact. The titan is only the backup kill in the original Amulet Titan deck. The origin deck used the card that copied spells to actually win. And the original original version, the one that most don't know about, used Patron of the Moon to create infinite Mana turn 1.
I made my own meme in this case :P
Hypergenesis: Not broken, not fun
Tibalt's Trickery: Allow me to introduce myself
I feel death rite shaman has gotten power crept and there is just better things, and strategies, and there is a lot more answers now than when it initially took the ban and deck spaces have gotten way tighter for consistency purposes to be even teched or splashed in because there are better tech cards to answer more problematic cards/decks than deathrite shaman. Also it's an elf and just like glimpse of nature us elf players need all the help we can get :) and give me my green sun zenith back so I can run it along with coco.
I think hypergenesis would be better in the electrodominance/as foretold shell than cascade. There you could instant speed it and run cantrips and stuff.
If we unban both green's sun zenith and glimpse of nature, elves would probably be a top deck. Im not sure whether it would be too broken, but it would be insane.
Would be good but not sure about top tier missing cradle and survival would deffinitly slow the deck down
I don't think green sun zenith is broken but would not put it in unban section.
The reason is that would add consistancy in already meta deck like heliod deck. Been able to go search for spike feeder and conclave mentor or arbor elf is really strong.
And I don't even talk about every combo that would push into meta section.
I think serious research should be done before unban it.
Man i stopped playing mtg just these videos have enough personality to keep me coming back just like the professor
...I would love elves to get glimpse and green sun again. There could be some sweet mono green builds and maybe even the GB package could roll with them.
l laughed so hard when you said "get the fuck over there with Birthing pod" omg I love this channel already.
Summer Bloom seems like it'd be really good in more than just Amulet right now. Given that you have Field of the Dead, Dryad of the Ilysian Grove, Omnath, and Uro running around, it seems like getting that much ramp in one turn would be pretty tough to beat.
I also think we're sleeping on Glimpse of nature a bit. People would find a way to play a card that good. Given that it says "play" and not "cast" probably means something too.
Green Sun Zenith would make elves run a lot better and could help other green based creature decks. I think it's just good enough for a ban. Aside from that I agree with your list, I would love to see the Glimpse of Nature unbanned
I love these. Especially being a former player it's nice to see whats going on in the meta from time to time.
not gonna lie, i love toolbox decks and value decks so much. I understand how broken birthing pod is, but I still love it. I have to try with pyre of heroes, which is not ideal.
Birthing pod also has the bonus of having the slightly weaker Prime Speaker who can kick off the same chain to make the deck now have 8 copies of its combo piece
Pod doesn't die to path. Very important
Let’s not forget that Prime Speaker Vannifar got printed in Ravnica Allegiance so if Pod were to be unbanned it would actually be an 8-Pod deck
Also Pyre of Heroes got printed in Kaldheim, although the jury is still out as whether it does something.
This is good stuff Nikachu. Great content!
This video is amazing. Nikachu, you have a gift and I'm super happy you are sharing that gift with the rest of us
I Totally agree with GSZ. Tutor dryad arbor t1 is just a simple ramp. I rather play arboreal gazer if I'm just ramping. Tutors only green makes it worse comparable to instant speed convocable Chord of Calling. I see it as a good card, but in fringe strategies nowadays.
Dredge is basically super card draw for a graveyard deck, and it allows you to abuse free spells and creatures, another broken mechanic. It's not a problem in a format without free graveyard cards (like in pauper), but it can easily become problematic.
Glimpse of Nature, instead, is dangerous because it's actual card draw, and it might allow elves to easily combo off on turn 2 or 3
I remember playing with hypergenesis in extended. I don't recall exactly how the deck worked but you'd put magister sphinx and 2 bogardan hellkite into play killing them one shot
i wish all tier lists were this funny and this accurate
Loved the among us reference lol
The combo of Primeval Titan, Dryad and Amulet is OP. But while the other decks fight amongst themselves, Amulet Titan just stays in the background with a smile on it's evil face. The greatest trick the devil ever pulled was convincing the world he wasn't ban worthy.
It's funny to think back about Zendikar-Scars Standard era, and how all those Phyrexian mana cards weren't ban-worthy in Standard despite their power.
But now WotC can't release a new set without some busted-ass cards coming out needing bans across Standard and ALL formats! It seems to me they don't playtest Standard much either, as there's far more problems everywhere than their used to be. Hell, half these banned cards stuck around in Modern for a good while before bans...
I still think DRS should be unbanned considering how powerful the format is on turn 1 right now. The key is that DRS doesn't target creatures. If they made a functional reprint of DRS that only interacted with YOUR graveyard instead of ANY graveyard, it would be an unbelievably fair card.
Pod is the safest unban on the whole list. It was fine back when Modern was 2 turns slower, it would likely see very little play today.
Seriously. Turn 1 elf into turn 2 Pod into threatening a turn 3 fragile win is too powerful, while Oops and Belcher decks are winning on turns 2 and 3. Puh-lease.
@@Gallagher2x2 Also if some newly printed card breaks Pod with infinite combo, just ban that card instead. See Karn + Lattice and so many other examples of that.
Does anyone even play pod in the older formats?
@@thekinginyellow1890 I played it in every EDH deck that has green, but other than that, not really, it's a Commander exclusive card now.
No, its really not powerful in legacy or vintage, collector ouphe is an easy complete shut down and there's plenty of artifact hate.
You can’t unban Glimpse, trust me. Elves isn’t good right now because it’s essentially a midrange deck. They’re trying to go wide and pump their creatures for the win. With Glimpse, Elves becomes a combo deck. Picture this: t1: Llanowar Elves. t2: Heritage Druid, Nettle Sentinel, tap them all for mana. Without Glimpse, you’re probably running out of cards. With Glimpse, now we go Glimpse, second Sentinel, draw a card, Llanowar Elves, draw a card, tap the three untapped Elves for more mana, find another Glimpse, continue playing more Elves because now each one gains you both mana and cards, build up enough mana for Craterhoof, GG. Pretty easy turn 2 kill and consistent turn 3 kill.
Assembling the double Nettle + Heritage turn 2/3 god combo is far from easy or consistent. It definitely will happen, but it wouldn't be oppressive or common. Also dies to tons the usual stuff like Bolt, Push, Path, Thoughtseize... Heck, you can do that combo with the current builds with Lead the Stampede or Winding Way or CoCo with something like a Dwynen's Elite. Source: Elves player for 7 years.
@@davidgir123 It's definitely not always going to go off on turn 2, but I think turn 3 would be pretty consistent, and the big upside of Glimpse is that if you manage to fizzle in the middle of your combo, you probably have enough cards in your hand to still potentially go off on the next turn. You bring up Lead the Stampede and Winding Way. Those cards are about 3 mana draw 3-4 for Lead and 2-3 for Way. Glimpse on a combo turn is usually more like 1 mana draw 7-8. There's a massive difference there, enough to the point that I don't think Glimpse is unbannable.
just discovered your channel, good job with these videos they are very good
Thanks!
Great video, hope to see the others
I played exclusively Pod back in the days and the Pod combo chain you mention is pretty identical to the ones you did back then. Going for turn 3 Kiki (back then it was turn 4 with Phantasmal Image) was almost never correct. So much so that many players removed Phantasmal Image entirely from the deck. Going for that quick of a win seems super busted but in reality *any* interaction and you're dead. It might not seem like you've used up a lot of resources, but you learn very quickly playing the deck how devastating this position is for you. Pod was always about patience. That's why Melira Pod (and its superior mana base) edged out Kiki Pod even though the Melira combo was 10x more clunky and slow. And that's why the value Pod decks edged out both combos in the end.
I will say that Renagade Rallier is a busted inclusion to the deck. And there might be other value dorks that I'm not picturing right now that would break Pod wide open. I'm just not sold on the combo potential.
The point is that future Pod decks would still have a value plan but they have to "threaten" a combo kill every turn. Of course they dont go for it if the opponent holds up interaction. But if they slow themselves down with interaction, you bury them in value. If they try to catch up by tapping out, you combo kill them.
@@NikachuMTG That was always the plan. With Kiki Pod you threatened lethal almost every turn while slowly building up a soft lock. And yet that version was always inferior. And no one played it in the end. People learned that just having a Pod in play was good enough to win on its own. So no reason to compromise your mana base as radically as Kiki forced you to and no reason to add a lot of dead draws to your deck.
I might be underestimating how much more powerful getting Kiki out a turn earlier is though. Especially on the play. But my gut tells me that the value versions would still prevail in the end.
It's all just speculation, I know. :)
I look forward to hearing about the banned White cards that currently exist in MTG. The discussion probably wont last too long, but I look forward to it nonetheless. I mean ALL of them Nika!
Lol
I lub dredge
"The correct number of Once Upon a Time is always one less than you currently have in the deck"
- Negator77
(I know it's legacy, just thought it was a funny quote)
"Bodybuilder cheating with steroids" dude, it's the only sport where we it can be used
Wouldnt glimpse of nature be busted with memnites, ornithopters, and that gorilla and elf that u can discard to add a red/green mana, manamorphose, rite of flame/ritual +grapeshot? Seems like u can play your whole deck on turn 1
Lol the golgari troll rant killed me!!!
There's pyre of heroes in khm which is basically birthing pod without Phyrexian mana
2 mana to activate is a lot more than 1.
@@NikachuMTG i guess you're right
one of the main reasons why wizards banned birthing pod is that it stifled r&d on creatures due to having to consider any new creatures interaction with the card. But wizards r&d has already shit the bed plenty with birthing pod banned *chough* oko and Uro *chough*
I wish birthing pod was 4 colorless instead of 3.
Although Pyre of Heroes seems to be a more fun and balanced version of Birthing Pod which sounds like alot of people will have fun building off of it. So I feel like with that getting printed, birthing pod is less needed.
With summer bloom, if it was unbanned, any deck that revolves around mass mana, decks like titan, (as mentioned) tron, plain old ramp, really anything like that would be busted, imagine a turn 2 tron on the field, imagine the uro decks with this, imagine how jund and jund shadow would use this to play more threats quicker
Tron never used this card even when it was legal.
@@NikachuMTG but imagine if the 2 explore 6 land meme was actually not against the rules, will with THIS card, you can do it with just 1
You can use the same argument for summer bloom to dredge or elves...
And that GSZ unban it's impossible, you can tutor melira instead of vizier and combo off anyway. Also titan could get dryad or azusa, basically using GSZ as a free green pact. Oh and you'd put yawgmoth combo into tier 1 for sure! Because they could search for dorks or green undying creatures for basically free
Melira and Devoted Druid doesn’t work. Part of Druid’s cost is putting a -1/-1 counter on itself but Melira will prevent it. That’s why no one plays the combo like this even though the cards have been around for forever.
@@NikachuMTG ohhh you're right! Sorry about that!
I for one am certainly smashing the like button after this watching this wonderful content
The bit on dredge xD priceless!
Loved the banned green cards keep doing more vids like these man
I love the fact that Ancient Den was not an impostor.
Deathrite Shaman would be fine in modern. Putting graveyard decks in check and making games more grindy. There is a ton of removal in the format that would easily deal with a turn 1 or turn 2 Deathrite Shaman. It would just get a "bolt the bird" treatment every time it hits the battlefield. The card is trash late game with an empty board. I would easily take a late game Tarmogoyf, Bob, Kroxa, Seasoned Pyro, and even a Scavenging Ooze over a Deathrite Shaman. I've been saying this forever, the card is fine. Unban it!!
No it is not. The card would MAYBE be okay if it were mono green. As is, it’s much better birds of paradise in black. There’s a reason it’s banned in legacy.
@@datboi5906 Modern isn't Legacy and Legacy isn't Modern. They're two completely different formats. They play and interact differently. Legacy gets to play with brainstorm, FoW, daze, ponder, and so on. All of which made the card extremely consistent. Look at Jace, the Mind Sculptor. Everyone thought he would be too broken in modern when he was unbanned. He was terrible at first because people were playing him as they play him in Legacy. He's amazing in legacy and average in modern. People think deathrite of 2014 modern. Modern has changed as Nikachu said. Deathrite would laughable against big mana decks, super aggro decks like death's shadow, and most combo decks. I still think it's fine to give him a chance in modern, but that's just my opinion.
@@johnboy8881 I disagree. The card is busted anywhere that fetches and interaction are prevalent. It would be e broken in modern. JtMS is a 4 mana card that was helped by the pile of cheap interaction in blue. Deathrite costs 1 and slots into any black and/or green deck as a better birds of paradise at worst. It would not be a healthy card for modern.
I raise you hyper genesis, ancestral vision, as foretold.
You would get to play it in a blue/green/x control shell with plenty of card filtering and cantrips and then just win the game or chain multiple hyper genesis into a win
I get the sense that Hypergenesis would be much better with Dreadhorde Arcanist or As Foretold nowadays instead of cascade
Vanifar is more of a combo card than birthing pod because of the mana cost in birthing pod activation
I've been running a black lifedrain/lifelink deck. I haven't played it very much but none of these cards seemed like it would just be game ending against that deck.
Nikachu, in nbm, my favorite deck is what I call the slot machine, basically I use cascade to cheat in random suspend cards, and hypergenosis is basically a get your money back spin, or, I can get in my wincon, spawnsire of ulamog, which has an ability for 10 mana, which is easy to get in allot of ways with this deck including lotus bloom, which is basically black lotus, and also the like 4 infinate mana combos, I can grab as many eldrazi cards I want from my sideboard and put it into play, not to mention that with hypergenesis, you can put MULTIPLE things in play, so if they bounce something, I can play it right back, oh and did I mention that hypergenesis is the only banned card in the deck?
Well everything must enter play before triggers go on the stack. So if something is bounced, Hypergenesis has already resolved.
@@NikachuMTG there's still other ways to go off
Wouldnt glimpse of nature be really good in a rebuilt affiinity deck, refuel the hand after you dump all the thopters and memnites? Would love to see a brew with it
brew it up!
glimpse is turn 2 kill in modern
Glimpse of nature sounds... questionable. I feel like there's some way to break the card outside of elves, maybe with low cost creatures (something like affinity, since they're known for playing basically whatever color gives them the best options? Different build of urza? Not entirely sure, but the card seems dangerous at best)
Awesome! keep going with these vids from a - spirits turned into neobrand - player
Love the content and your sense of humour!
Yo when he's talking about dredge I was fucking dying. Good god was that funny.
You should do another one of these series with the current meta
Im not certain about the Unban of the Tutor. It is an very Powerful spell lets you play cards from Lib. for just 1 more Mana... I mean see it like this: People are actually playing Chord of Calling, which pretty much does the same and cost 3 more Mana. If i remember correctly, than this Beacon card is even Banned in Legacy. And i guess it has its Reasons.
Wizards R&D new guy: So how about this new 0 mana...
Nikachu out of nowhere: *smack!!*
green suns would still be good in counters company, they would just play a melira
Although Melira would still enable the Kitchen Finks infinite, it doesn't work with Devoted Druid because of the way it's worded.
@@petrie911 yup. You wouldn't be allowed to place the -1/-1 counter as the cost
So with SSG gone can I have Hypergenesis back now? I played this deck for years in Legacy but with FoN +FoW the deck is really bad in legacy when it was already barely playable....
Yeah Birthing Pod is green sure, but I still would've put it on a colorless list lmao.
Fresh cut and amazing video 👏
this tier list videos are amazing!!!
really good metagame analysis !
Glimpse would be absolutely insane in Storm.
Storm wouldn't play it. It's as consistent as it will be in modern short of the 3 cantrips being unbanned
Glimpse is also very playable in Affinity actually
I think hypergenesis would go in some restore balance decks focused on as foretold
Glimpse is in a janky combo in legacy with the cobolds, so maybe it would break stuff?
Can’t wait for the red one I am about to go off in those comments
Don't underestimate the power of Glimpse...
Have you ever seen a 500 Kobold damage combo in turn one?
XD
Kumena's Speaker definitely deserves a ban. As I really think its just a second copy of Champion of the Parish in modern green/white Merfolk Human tribal. Its absolutely sickening how strong it is against a 1/1 red goblin token and it takes a shot from a Spikefield Hazard like a champ. I just think its the grossest thing to see turn 2 in modern right now.