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So I'm making this the pinned comment since I know more of you read these than the description.
Firstly before anyone points it out 'Defence' is spelled correctly, that's the British spelling and last I checked I am British.
Secondly I'm a little rusty at doing these so when you watch this one you might notice it's a bit more stream-of-consciousnessy and less structured than usual (or maybe that's just me) and that there's actually a fair bit I didn't cover such as Rey's parentage reveal (which I loved), the scene with a certain old character with lightning hitting a tree (which I liked, but have some issues with) and I barely touch on fanboy culture anywhere near as much as I wanted to. This is because I was writing this one it just kept going and going and going and I realised if I didn't just cap it off at some point then I would never finish the thing.
Having said that I feel like the stuff I did manage to cover is the more often discussed stuff and I feel like I make some valid points so I hope you enjoy it all the same. I'm glad to finally be back and I hope you're all looking forward to more videos. Thanks for sticking with me this long. Love you fam.
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TheLonelyGoomba Woops! Thanks dude. I've been pretty tired lately my bad. Sidenote: Love your channel!
Hay GGTV glad to see your back. Glad you liked the movie. I really liked your video. I do have one criticism though. The canto bight seen wasn't a wast of time. It served as character development for Finn. Think about it. In TFA Finn Just wants to escape The First Order. Then he meets Rey who he comes to care for. But he still wants to escape The First Order.Then Rey gets taken by Kylo to Death Star mark 3. Finn goes with Han to Death Star 3 under the pretence that he can shut down the shield but it was a lie He only went to save Rey. Now in TLJ after leia is taken to the infirmary, Finn having picked up the homing beacon to Rey. He proceeds to leave the Resistance because he doesn't want it to be found by the First Order. He doesn't care about The Resistance that much at all. Then at the casino he sees the gluttony and greed of the elite and this motivates him to stop running and fight for something bigger than himself. I suppose it could have been done beater. The binocular moment was a bit silly.
GeekyGlassesTV Late, but loved this video and the movie. Sucks that some fans have gone totally toxic (even in this comments section) but thank you for standing your ground, I promise lots of us out here share your love.
Also, welcome back! I missed your videos, and can't wait to see more 😄
Y i moosh kak.... Great video dude I haven't had the chance to see star wars yet so I haven't watch your video yet.. But I believe you have kept me waiting long enough for the justice league review as I feel your opinion and video's are fucking fun and helps me get past another bag of shit movie that I can't my head around... Anyway fella keep up the good work and stop pissing off to America haha 😂
I actually thought Rose was cool after watching the film several times. She had just lost her sister so she was crying in that room of the ship when Finn came in who was trying to run away to rescue Rey. Finn who still had the eyes of a man who wanted to run, as maz had put it. She then stopped him from running away even though she had a fan girl moment over him. She helped look past the surface of the bright and shiny casino and ultimately showed him what was being fought for. She also ultimately helped him finally develop into a person who could claim that he was rebel scum. I thought that was pretty cool. She did it in her own way though. She did it in a very humble way. The look past the surface level stuff was a little on the nose with her but the rest of what she did was really cool. She also stopped him from killing himself at the end of the movie which I really appreciate because he’s a great and compelling character. I never understood why people thought he had no development in the movie.
I mean, they're also _directly above a planet_ at approximately the same height as the ISS. Where you still have ~0.9g. The astronauts aboard the ISS just don't feel that because it's orbiting the Earth at some ridiculous speed to keep the whole thing from crashing down within a week or so. So even if the bombers don't have gravity generators, the planet's gravity is still more than enough for a traditional drop bomber to work.
My man Geeky: “Isn’t it great that now we have Kylo as a trilogy villain instead of a boring one like Palpatine?”
Abrams: *brings back Palpatine in Episode IX”
Me: *facepalm*
With more rewatches of TLJ Canto Bight actually has a real purpose and flows nicely with the themes of the movie. On first watch it seems really random, but it actually is really important to the story and not random at all
I'm sure the comments section of this video will be full of civil, respectful people with well-reasoned arguments, and will not be toxic in any way at all!
Darn tootin'. I just can't wait to have lively and healthy debate!
Wait until the """intellectuals""" aka gamergate crowd arrives.
Welcome to -Hell- ...I mean... The Internet.
Sooo if they agree with you they're good right? lolol. The toxicity starts with the video condescending to people who don't agree with him. You can't expect a civil discourse when the tone has already been set. You are being disingenuous and backing the toxic conversations with this bullshit. Kinda stupid to think you can be a dick head to people and if they react, they are the problem lol. Just look at these replies, they're bitter and defensive. You like a bad movie, that's ok. Next time try and add to the conversation and not just posture so you can feel "above it all" ya dork. lol.
Yup. Only nice, calm people who accept each other's opinions.
I really like the last Jedi, so did my whole family. I don't actually know anyone who didn't like the movie.
Christobanistan Stupidity is not something that can be judged by liking one movie, regardless of how bad you think that movie is.
@Christobanistan you have to be looking at the mirror for that statement to be true, and before you say it I'm exaggerating to show you how far low you've gone.
I only met 3 people who disliked the film.... and _all_ of them were assholes. (No Joke)
@@cdagyekybcrpaa IKR?
I don't want to judge no one who disliked the movie, because is perfectly valid to dislike whatever you want, but it seems that most of the people (not everyone) who disliked the movie are just, assholes! They are adsholes not only with the people who made the movie, but also with normal people!
@@cdagyekybcrpaa really? Why are they assholes?
Not sure if you read comments here after so long, but hey... just thought to point out Rose stops Finn from his sacrifice, because it would not help anyone. The movie vaguely hints at it, with people telling Finn to stop, not because they'd hate to see him go in flames, but because it would do no good. It's another way the movie subverts acts of heroism.
I totally agree with every point, TLJ is a great SW movie and I really enjoyed every screening. It did feel strange to see Luke's character act the way he does, but ultimately it is coherent with the story and characters should evolve, always. His conclusion is satisfying and brings his character full circle. If only the fans could see the OT as the middle of a bigger tale - of which the first 2 episodes are admittedly less impressive to most of us - in which the characters evolve. It is no big deal, we're not kids any more, no toy was broken, in my opinion R. Johnson sincerely tried to imagine a faithful continuation to our belived saga, and in my opinion he succeeded in most areas. Thanks for the review, it is great and articulate.
Did you like that rey didn't train anything and still know how to use the force?
@@tremon3688 sort of like how Anakin did in the Prequels, Luke was instinctively using it in The OT, or if you want deep cuts, like Darth Bane in his trilogy of novels?
@@daleludtke7803 its not the same. Look struggled to rise a x-wing, rey makes a ton of rocks levitate effortless... And look never beated Darth Vader the same way rey did with kylo
@@tremon3688 the fact you cannot even spend the time to spell Luke right speaks heavily on your actual investment in his character.
As for the scale of the Move Object Power. "Size Matters not." Yoda said that clear as day to Luke in Empire Strikes back. His character was conflicted and unfocused. Rey was not, in that part of her story she had already had her moment to decide "who" she was. Luke had not yet.
As for the fight against Vader. Luke never stood a chance, and normally Rey would never either.
Apparently you missed all the shots showing what happens to people when a Bowcaster hit them when they were being launched dozens of feet through the air, and Ben had taken one of those to the stomach not long before.
Ben was physically and emotionally compromised (from killing his father, something that was heavily implied in the movie, and directly laid out in the novelization).
Basically a crippled Kylo Ren was beat up by someone who was not crippled.
@@daleludtke7803 we need more people like you
Technically, when you think about it, because of how divisive the film has been, you could say it was balancing.
"Powerful light, powerful darkness"
Apart from your assessment of Canto Bight, I 100% agree with you. To be fair my first go around I didn't really enjoy the Canto Bight subplot, but after a few viewings I came to realize how it is rather integral to the film, and also appreciate how it brings a bit of fun action adventure element at a place in the story where there is a chasm of non-action in the other two main plots. Think about it, it's sort of necessary to escape the Raddus and Ach-To Island for a while and I think Canto Bight breaks up the monotony, and I simply applaud the design, direction, and practical effects feats achieved in the casino. Cheers!
I felt like I was the only one who loved Luke’s character until I watched this I agree with everything you said
There's a playlist with a lot of positive reviews on the movie:
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That last 20 seconds was so on point it’s ridiculous. 👏🏼 bravo mate
You're wrong about Rose, Finn will not blow up the cannon but will be destroyed by it, so it is a pointless sacrifice. What guarantee the cannon will be destroyed by a junk?
Rose also bring Finn into reality, Finn was a soldier of the First Order who never know what real life means, Rose who show him that
Thank you for that
It’s two and a half fucking hours!!!!!!!!!!
I enjoyed the Finn and Rose story and I'm happy Miss Tran will return for 9.
Oh me too
Totally subbing, not just because I’m a dumb American who finds accents from Scotland, Ireland, and the UK entirely intoxicating (I know, it’s like finding a Brit who thinks the same about accents not his own, but I digress...) but also because I enjoy how you expressed your opinions on the flaws of TLJ without devolving into straight up bashing. You made it clear that you enjoyed the film while expressing where you thought it could do better, kinda like how we expect film critics to do instead of how they typically act.
I loved the Last Jedi :) Seen it around 7 times now, lol. I'm 40 years old, I remember watching Return of the Jedi in the theater when it came out, and this one was very special. Let the past die... kill it, if you have to.
TLJ did have its problems, but I did enjoy it overall.
A fight scene doesn't make a movie.
All movies have its flaws but in the end they’re very enjoyable
@@GalvatronStudios
Even TROS had some head-scratching threads that I, a supporter of the sequel trilogy, had noticed. These are very good films, and I think the legacy of the sequels will soon rival the legacy of the originals and prequels in the eyes of many more. It just takes time.
It was supposed to be a one-sided relationship. When they kissed, Finn didn’t kiss her back. It goes with the theme of heroes not being who you want them to be.
I really like the last jedi personally, especially cause it put to rest my fears the sequel trilogy would just be a retread of the original trilogy. I liked TFA but if I wanted to watch a new hope I would just watch a new hope.
There are just as many callbacks, and it's not an awful sinful thing, Star Wars has been rhyming with itself and has not been wholy original since Empire.
It's not a big fucking deal. TFA is still great and TLJ is brilliant, despite flaws in both.
Jake Skywalker thank you you fucking legend atleast im not the only one who saw empire and return in this unoriginal unsipired parody shit garbage that’s empire vs rebels 2.0 and makes the ot seen pointless and shits all over it at the same Time especially the ot characters the last Jedi was he only movie of Star Wars I’ve ever hated
Nd4spd I disagree I thought both movies were unoriginal unsipired parody garbage shit that copied the ot ripped off the Eu and added fuck all to the amazing Star Wars universe whilst shitting on the ot and it’s characters at the same time. The prequels whilst many flaws added new stuff new story respected the ot and added slot as whole to the Star Wars universe
@Jake Rivers you re wrong
I don’t mind this movie, but it does feel like a bunch of side quests held together by rubber bands
I loved TLJ when I watched it for the first time. After THE RISE OF SKYWALKER, I love it even more.
Rian Johnson did the ultimate STAR WARS movie.
Look, it’s as simple as this.
Star Wars is a HUGE franchise. It’s been a major part of people’s lives for over THIRTY YEARS. Hell, I wouldn’t be the same person without Star Wars. I’ve had my Star Wars themed birthdays, written my own Star Wars books, etc. People have grown up with this series, so the next Star Wars is more than just the next big action blockbuster. If the next big action blockbuster has some faults, the faults won’t be absolutely blown out of proportion. So blown out that it doesn’t seem like there are any pros. That’s because there’s not a fan base that has been accumulated for thirty plus years on the next big action blockbuster. Star Wars: The Last Jedi is not a perfect film, but to say it’s an awful film is just ignorant. To say Rian Johnson is a terrible director doesn’t make sense. What that shows is obvious bias because the film didn’t live up to a fan’s expectations. If we had a film from a different franchise that was just as high quality as this film, it wouldn’t be getting such an outstanding ratio of hate among the fans. It’s because it’s Star Wars. The fans expect more, therefore they blow this shit all out of proportion and deem the movie awful because it has flaws just like many other movies do.
P.S.
I also believe that most people did enjoy this film. Cinemascore, which takes into account even the casual audiences, gives it an A. As for longtime fans of the series, I think it’s much more split. But still, anyone saying most people hated the movie don’t know what they’re talking about.
The cinemascore rating was something I wanted to cover but I didn't want the video to get bloated so thanks for bringing that up. It's important to know that cinemascore actually verifies if the viewer has seen the film with their polls too.
GeekyGlassesTV The second reason for luke to force project himself was to give Kylo an outlet for his rage and feelings of betrayal.
He ends the movie, in the last shot, by what is called the ‘Penitent Position’. This position is used to express not only regret, but acceptance.
Luke gave Kylo, with his actions and the dice; a sense of freedom from
His heavy burdens, and essentially gave him permission to accept his ‘fathers heart’.
Kylo, as the last skywalker, is going to surprise you all: he will be a benevolent leader. And as Anakin gave up love for power, Ben will give up power for love. It’s poetry. And star wars always rhymes.
I would love to know your thoughts on this. Also, lucasfilm has came out with the fact that Rey’s force powers come from Kylo- they are stuck. It’s like Neo from the matrix- she downloads his mind. In return, he receives her memories (not sure it’s an even trade but...canon). This will be important.
And no Luke cannot save him- but he can put him on a path towards someone who can...himself. And then a path towards balance- he and Rey.
I 1000% agree. THANK YOU!!!! I think after a while of trying to defend or even say you like TLJ on some sites, it can actually be bad for your mental health. While always remaining polite, I have been called every name in the book and received actual threats. It's insane.
Over 40 years...
The scene where Rose stops Finn from committing suicide for no reason is great. The idea that Finn should have killed himself is weird. Lots of people seem to think Finn should have died here. Sure they could have written it that way, but it wouldn't work. Why would Luke show up if Finn sacrifices himself. And, would he even have made it. The movie shows that his ship would disintegrate and he would have sacrificed himself for nothing. The movie did it right here. It was a surprising moment that works because you are kind of wanting Finn to sacrifice himself as it's happening. But think about, do you really?? He's going to be crucial for next episode. Genius writing that people don't get.
I have to disagree, somewhat, with the Rose/Cansino hate from everyone. I agree that narratively, those scenes bungle up the pacing but on the whole I don't think she nor the subplot are nearly as bad as people make it out to be. I enjoyed the world building of Canto Bight. That's a major reason people love SW - the world building. Canto Bight showed a side of the Galaxy Far, Far Away that was previously unexplored - the elite. We've seen the poor farmers boys and scavengers, the military, the politics, the city life and now we have a look at the rich and untouchable. This was something TFA lacked - a new peak at the galaxy.
Rose as a character is a little boring and goody-goody (but I DO think her and Finn share chemistry) but as a plot device to further Finn's character, I feel she works. Finn, like everyone else, is grappling with his nature and how it effects him and others. Rose was there to guide him and to show that he can matter and find a purpose. One could argue that the script didn't need Rose to get this across and that it could have been accomplished differently and I can't argue that. But the end result is satisfying enough, imo. I liked that see knocked Finn out of the way at the last minute. Sure, you could make the argument that she theoretically fucked everyone over by stopping him. But whose to say that him ramming the ultra death laser machine would have stopped anything or matter in the end? The entire First Order was breaking down their proverbial door. The whole point was, I felt, that his sacrifice would have been fruitless and ill thought out due to his anger.
We'd already seen the elites in the prequels.
The casino fits the universe about as well as the 50's diner from Ep2, the pop act Lucas added to Jabba's Palace, or your momma jokes.
Mr Maws So a casino is world building in a Galaxy far far away. Waaht? We have seen casinos before in the SW universe. Anyway, instead of this casino scene, they could have used the time to show something about Rey's past, how the Jedi Academy got destroyed? Kylo Ren's training, which doesn't sound more interesting? That way you can also incorporate world building of planets and cities.
First, learn how to spell "casino". Second, Rey's past isn't the story. Kylo Ren's training isn't the story. Star Wars has never been about excessive exposition and over-explaining (well, the prequels are a different tale). It tells its story and informs its characters in the present, through action (not just pow-pow action but character's actions) and propelling the plot forward. I don't need to see Rey's parent's being shits to her or Luke training Ben as a child. I already know this is what happened. It's what they do in the present that informs the past. I don't need shit spelled out for me.
Mr Maws. I guess you have low expectations, and "keep it simple". There is nothing wrong with that. "It tells its story and informs its characters in the present, through action" This is what it should do, the issue is that the actions they are committing are weird, make no basic sense in terms of the universe of star wars. Yes it doesn't have to be over explained (No complicated plot was asked at all), but some basic information has to be given so that you can build the action on. The originals did explain things. e.g You got to know what the Force is.
Dude, Maws, you wrote "Cansino" in your first post.
It was one of my favorite SW movies...but somehow throughout the movie I knew that it's going to be divisive. Well whatever, I loved the F out of it, glad you did too. And hell, I missed you man.
Daniel, I have desperately missed your reviews and take on film. I also loved Last Jedi, while accepting the flaws in it (that giant McGuffin of a same-speed chase made absolutely no sense, but if you went with it, the movie was way better than if you pushed back). I especially appreciate your exploration of fandom in videos, both the good and the (very) bad. Keep it up, and can't wait to see The August Club!
I Think you missed the Rose story completely. She was the Angel on Finns' shoulder. Remember Finn has been brainwashed by The First Order since a child. His worldview is childlike. What child wouldn't get a kick out of Canto Bight. She lost her sister to a mission a day earlier so when the skimmers were called off by Poe she wasn't about to loose him. Especially since the film goes out of its way to show that his suicide would have been in vain. The skimmer was falling apart etc. Especially since it was her who gave him a cause worth fighting for (On Canto Bight) rather than running off to the Outer Rim. She also inspired the next generation of Rebels, during that waste of time scene on Canto Bight. Her arc took her from someone staring at pipes all day to a leader of the resistance. And she did it with heart, loyalty and dare I say compassion. A great new and inspiring character. Such a shame that the writers of TROS listened to the crying 'Fans' who think they know better. And look how that turned out.
Well said man.
hey, someone who agrees with me on this movie. I thought it was really good.
Sigurd Stapnes trust me it wasn't really good but I'm sure you liked it just because it says Star Wars on it.
@Christobanistan
- rey is just as op as Anakin and luke, luke used the force in empire way before meeting Yoda
- luke is much older, and feels responsible for Kylo ren, if you think him having a passing thought to kill his nephew is out of character, he almost killed his father with anger before stopping, realising what he was doing
Christobanistan as this video explains nicely, there was no inconsistency with Luke’s character from the OT. None. It was a completely reasonable character arc. Watch the video, I’m not typing it all out for you. Also, with regard to Rey, one could argue that the Jedi’s hidebound traditions had slowed Force training to the point that Anakin’s years of training was unnatural and part of the frustration he felt was being “pushed” by the Force while being simultaneously held back by Jedi tradition. Being caught between a rock and a hard place. The conditions of Luke’s training would then be naturally explained as the middle ground where Jedi tradition is still being implemented, but has been broken to allow a more free flow of the Force. The natural progression then is what seems like accelerated training, but is in fact a natural effect of the Balance Anakin achieved.
@@corrollasful Yeah ok bud
@@corrollasful no one cares, go watch MauLer
One of the greatest things of the original trilogy was Luke's growth and his balls to refuse to give in to the emperor even though it meant death. It was that transition from small time boy on Tatooine to an actual Jedi. The arc was complete after he attacked Vader and yielded to harm him any further. The problem is this movie just backtracks Luke's development without any real reason. I mean if you want to deconstruct characters like Zack Snyder did that's fine, but you need to make it work. Don't just go 0 to 100. All the subversions in the movie kind of just felt cheap. I get what Johnson was going for but it felt like all the deconstruction was there for the sake of shock value. I think the Ultimate Edition of Batman v Superman [OHHHHH YES I'm going there ;) ] actually succeeds in breaking down the characters and make them advance into something more.
it's one of my fave SW movies
I don't really understand peoples problem with the bomber ships in the beginning of The Last Jedi. As far as I have understood and read, most spaceships in the Star Wars universe has some type of artificial gravity generators to make space travel as comfortable as being on a planet.
When the bombs are released in the bomber the artificial gravity makes them accelerate downwards out of the bomber. According to Newton's first law, an object that is not affected by any external forces will move in a straight line with a constant velocity. This means that the moment the bombs have left the ship and the artificial gravity field, they will keep moving in the direction the gravity field pulled them towards.
In the movie, however, there was an external force as the battle happened near a planet that was kind of below and a bit to the right (direction seen from the eyes of a pilot in the bombers). If you look very closely closely at the scene, you can see that the bombs actually start turning towards the direction of the planet before hitting the dreadnought, exactly as you would expect under the present physical conditions. Here is the scene in a TH-cam video (the link is set to skip to the moment I am talking about.
If I have forgotten some fact that makes this entire argument wrong, please tell me. I'm not perfect. I am neither an expert on Star Wars lore or physics.
Also, sorry for the "wall of text" comment.
I enjoy the video mostly but I'm dick of people legit lying about Rey in TFA especially in her battle with Kylo. She largely gets schooled and only gets a good hit in when he's distracted and more hurt than when they started. Even if she DID match or even best him, HE TOOK A BOECASTER SHOT TO THE STOMACH that we saw LAUNCH and kill s heavily-armored trooper earlier in the movie, AND is super fucking emptional
To me rey wasnt shown as perfect in the force awakens she was able to pilot the falcon yes but she crashed it into things alot she was able to fix the falcon because there was a problem with a modification to it installed after han lost the falcon so he didnt know about it. Finally during the lightsaber fight she was swinging wildly almost flailing and kylo was both injured and was not trying to kill her
Luke Teasdale isn’t it interesting and humorous that when people say she is a Mary Sue and over powered they leave these parts of the movie out.
This video was awesome. You earned yourself a new subscriber.
For me it's one of the best star wars movies ever made. In my eyes star wars is fun, exciting and unexpected again. And I'm totally on board, and superexcited about both episode 9 and rians new trilogy. Though I'm not excited for the solo story nor was I impressed by rogue one. But episodes 7 & 8 have been mostly stellar in my opinion
I agree with you sir. I know I’m late to the party here, but thought I’d say it anyway
@chaoszieg Ok so it's dead to you?
I loved it too!
Just a quick comment on the bombs at the beginning. The bombing run actually is very accurate. There is artificial gravity on the ship pulling everything down. So when they are released they continue to move in that direction. Almost like being shot from a gun. An object in motion will stay in motion unless acted upon by an outside force.
The reason the bombs at the start we ale to hit the dreadnought was that they had magnets pulling them to their magnets.
I didn't get why Rose stopped Finn either until I saw a video that pointed out that there are multiple clues put in that his suicide mission isn't going to work (eg. the visible disintegration of his ship, & explicit warnings from Poe). That said, the clunky dialog and the kiss distract from what was otherwise a clear link to Poe's arc: learning that impulsive, blind heroism isn't always the right move.
In theory, Rose is rather an interesting character. She fills a different social role than other Star Wars main characters (not a fighter - at least until there are almost no fighters left- but a mechanic) and, perhaps as a result, clearly thinks more about the economic/class dynamics of this world than others. Which is something I'd be down to see more of. Moreover, Rose's sister died very recently sacrificing herself in an attack that probably wasn't worth it, so it is reasonable that she wouldn't want to see that happen to Finn. But something about the execution doesn't quite work - that is, it doesn't make those interesting aspects apparent on a first casual viewing - and I'm not sure what it is.
Let's save and release the cruelly treated space horses and not the slave kids hahaha
Let's say it was worth coming to save the space horses, when as far as you know the mission is failed and the Resistance is doomed.
and where would they take them? back to the resistance ship? releasing the dog horses was the escape plan
I want to see that film of yours! When and how can we see it?
I'll probably post some info on the next video about what the plan is with that. I was going to put it at the end of this video but this one was already too long.
the reason luke died after force projecting himself over light years is actually explained by kylo when he talked to rey the first time. he was all, "how are you doing this? it's not you, the effort would kill you" and that's why luke died.
This is probably the best review of the Last Jedi on TH-cam (I type this with full knowledge many will disagree because you don't complain about how "terrible" it is)
My problems are: is it possible to breath is space as in the start or not as with Leia? Do bombs actully drop in space? And why doesn't some imp ships jump ahead and corner the rebels?
Luke even considering killing Kylo is what people are taking issue with. It doesn't matter if he doesn't do it in the end, he had that intention within him and THAT is what ruins the character. He goes to Kylo, in the night when he's sleeping, and stands over him with an ignited lightsaber. We see him do this before seeing him even try to bring Kylo back to the light.
This also opens up more plot holes. Luke says "Snoke got to him first" which makes no sense because how did Snoke get to Ben while he was still with Luke at the temple? If he knows Snoke was manipulating Ben, why didn't he try to stop it or why did he do nothing until Ben was too far gone? Why was hiding away on an island better than doing ANYTHING helpful?
Vader was an already established evil villainous monster, who was outright threatening his sister. Luke's reaction to that is not akin to killing your padawan/nephew in his sleep because of a force vision. Luke also was under a lot of pressure in that moment as well because he had seen the rebels getting killed and was told by the emperor that the plan with Leia was found out and hopeless. Fast forward to peacetimes at his Jedi Temple and his very first reaction to encountering the dark side is EXACTLY THE SAME as in ESB, further establishing that his character in this movie is weak and doesn't learn from past mistakes.
And Luke acting heroic would not be fan service, it would ACTUALLY be within his character to do so because Luke Skywalker is a hero. Doing nothing on an island when you've set the events of the galaxy's ruin into motion is the most cowardly thing that I can think of. He doesn't face his friend and sister to rightfully accept responsibility. He doesn't try to help or repair any damage that he caused. And even when someone follows the map he left to his location and BEGS him to help he still does nothing
Is that why this movie is genius? Because nothing happens at all? Nothing gets built, nothing gets expanded on, nothing even remotely resembling and idea for a story get presented? Yeah, it's real easy to (((((SUBVERT.....EXPECTATIONS!!!!!!)))))) when you do nothing at all.
"Snoke's backstory does not matter. He has nothing to do with the main story" Well I'm done then. When you tell me that the man isn't important, then you might as well state these movies don't matter. If this man, the man who corrupted Ben solo, who created the First Order that has all but expunged the Resistance and New Republic, who is the sole reason why there was any conflict in this or the previous movie, DOESN'T MATTER, then nothing does.
17:18-17:42 Oh yeah, I'm done here.
I actually liked the Canto Bight scene and Rose. But I am a fan of the prequels and it was very prequelesque. The rest I agree with.
I like your video and the movie, however, I cant get over the fact that no one gets that the bombs from the beginning are propelled by magnets.
Thank you thank you thank you 👏👏👏👏👏👏💗💗💗💗
Why, yes, I am. :) Oh. You meant Paige. :(
Didn't Rey have an easier time against Kylo given Chewie's blast to his leg? That and she's good with ships. I mean, she's a scavenger on Jakku and lives in a downed AT-AT. One tends to pick more than a few things up about how ships work.
It is my favourite of all of the Star Wars films.
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"Sorry to the fifty percent of you I disappointed with that statement." LOL
I like Rose.
She's a mechanic, not a soldier. She's completely dedicated to the resistance but is naive to the reality of front-line fighting. She's a great catalyst for Finn's arc from trying to run away to becoming a true believer. And she goes from idolizing the "heros of the resistance" to realizing that you don't have to be on the front lines to fight for what you believe in (she totally recruited the force sensitive slave boy) I admit that the execution was kinda clanky at times, but that subplot was far from irrelevant.
And she stopped Finn because everyone was screeming that there was no point, ramming that thing couldn't have stopped it, his death would've been for nothing. He thought all was lost and she wasn't willing to lose someone else. The line after was super cheesy though...
25:31 "Nerd stiffy", I'm stealing that one!
Right on! I'm about 99% with ya!!!
It never was meant to be part of the film. The original script had Finn and Poe traveling to Canto Bight instead of Rose.
Great commentary. However, in defense of Rose, her only purpose in this film is to further Finn's character arc, which is why I don't mind so much that she's a goody-two-shoes. And I actually agree with the decision of her saving Finn; because if Finn had died in that run, it would've been a futile death, as it wouldn't have destroyed the drill (his vehicle would've burned off right as he reached it), and for me that would've been one tragedy too many after all the Resistance had lost throughout the film.
Overall though, great video, good job 👍👍
I agree. It's fans that ruin Star Wars, not the movies. They complain when it's too similar to the old films, and they complain when it's too different.
For me the Canto Bight was just to long. Rose didn’t really do much for me I honestly like DJ a little more but I do believe it was needed. No way Finn knew Luke was going to show up and it completed Pos arc. (Battle on Crate) Everything rhymes with what happened in Empire Strikes Back. Which is my favorite of the movie and I loved this one as well.
There's quite a difference between Luke trying to kill Vader and Luke trying to kill Ben. He met and got to know Vader as an enemy and a dangerous villain, only learning later that he's his father and could possibly be turned. With Kylo it is exactly the opposite. Other than that, Luke's response to Vader is anger, a lot more believeable than his response to Kylo Ren's "darkness". Someone threatening a family member is a lot more relateable to us than Luke staring with a Vietnam flashback face while he's narrating it with "I saw a darkness". Audience: Yeah but em... what *did* you actually see?
Apparently the bombs are meant to be magnetically attracted to the dreadnought (something mentioned post hoc in Wookiepedia), my problem with the bombers is I can't think of any reason anyone would procure them given that they're way underpowered and underarmoured, have a dedicated bombardiers station (when there shouldn't be a need with the technology available), the bombs propulsion system was weak as fuck, and the bombs require the fuses of the bombs to be armed long before launch (as opposed to arming as launched, something that isn't mentioned in the movie Memphis Belle (the one I think Rian had on the brain), you don't just have pins in the fuses, you also have arming wires threaded through the fuses that are pulled out by the plane as the bombs are launched), something along the lines of an improved B-wing or larger spacecraft along those lines that can still move and dance a bit better would have been a better fit.
Otherwise I'm pretty much in agreement that the movie although flawed has indeed been unduly shat on for the most part.
Why is Rose even serving in a guerrilla force? It's clear the Resistance only recruited the most able-bodied persons, as you literally never see anyone as pudgy and non-athletic as Rose. It's as if Ho Chi Minh had recruited pudgy, unfit Vietnamese men to fight the French and Americans. Also, the way Paige was discarded like if she was just a piece of trash was obscene to me, and being replaced by Rose just hits the obscenity nail even harder.
Also, I can't be the only one who thought Holdo seems like a character straight out of Hunger Games and similar YA novels.
I think it makes sense for the resistance to accept as many people as possible. It doesn't seem like they have an infinite supply of people to choose from, much less an infinite supply of able-bodied persons. Also I got a similar vibe from Holdo as well.
Isn't Rose a mechanic? Not a frontline soldier, but someone who fixes the equipment of the soldiers?
Good to see you back, very happy with your assessment of Luke and his disillusion with The Force.
FYI the fandom menace isn't done yet kids we still have a streaming service to not purchase and Ep9 to subvert and toys and things to still not buy and collect
20:14 is that Will from the Windsor’s in the background?
+5:48 Nah Fella "Space Furngully" is already taken by 'Avatar' Along with 'Space Pocahontas' & "Dances with Smurfs" .
Honestly the Holdo & Po subplot doesn't work imo for the same reason Rose's subplot didn't work: the solution didn't work. Po's whole reasoning for calling the plan cowardly turned out to be right, so that whole subplot leading to the mutiny feels pointless.
Rose and Finn’s subplot ain’t pointless tho. They get the Resistance transport ships revealed, leading to many deaths and the battle on Crait. Far from a pointless subplot. Holdo and Poe’s plot leads to crucial character development for Poe, which we see at the end when he calls off the attack.
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What Canto Bight / DJ achieved could have done if one of the the First Order's officers looked through a window.
And Holdo and Poe's major problem is that Poe was right all along while Holdo was wrong all along, and yet the movie doesn't seem to notice: Just ask yourself what would have happened if the dreadnought Poe destroyed in the beginning of the movie would have followed the resistance through light speed? Boom, everyone dead. Plus, if General Leia would have wanted the bombers back, why wouldn't she make the call to the bomberes herself instead of letting Poe do whatever he considered right?
This movie is so bad done that it falls to pieces if you stare too hard at it. Litteraly.
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Looking out the window would defeat a major theme of failure throughout this film. The ships were far enough away that it would’ve taken more than just looking out the window.
As for Finn and Holdo, I guess he was right about taking out the dreadnought bc it would’ve bit them in the ass later on (or maybe not they maybe still could’ve kept out of range), but he wouldn’t have been if it wasn’t for hyperspace tracking. He still deserved that demotion bc he disobeyed orders and while he may have been right in the end, he wasn’t right at the time bc he couldn’t possibly know about the hyperspace technology. He’s reckless. That’s that. As for Leia calling off the others, sure that’s a flaw. I can say that it’s bc she only has a direct com to Poe, but that’d be half assed. The thing is, many movies that are considered amazing have plot holes. Citizen Kane, the film that is considered the greatest of all time? It has a HUGE plot hole that kinda breaks the story. Who heard the guy say rosebud before he died? No one. Yet the whole movie is dedicated to finding out why he said rosebud. Why then is the movie praised? Because the positives outweigh the negatives. The overall product is of quality.
I swear to god, y’all The Last Jedi haters are the most glass half empty people.
"Looking out the window would defeat a major theme of failure throughout this film."
So, you are saying that if the characters involved act logically, then the movie doesn't work? Can't they rather write the movie better so the characters can act logically and yet deliver the message?
"(Poe) He still deserved that demotion"
I agree on that. But I also think that Holdo deserved a scold for how her secrecy ended up. That scld doesn't happen, the movie keeps on holding her as a heroine, when her stubborness caused the death of a lot of people for no reason (at least Poe took a ship down, what did Holdo achieved with her silence?)
"The thing is, many movies that are considered amazing have plot holes"
Nobody is saying that TLJ is the only movie with plot holes.
" Because the positives outweigh the negatives. " "The overall product is of quality"
Isn't that just, you know, your opinion?
" I swear to god, y’all The Last Jedi haters are the most glass half empty people. "
So, for you, everyone who doesn't agree with your opinion is a half empty hater, and your opinion is universal rule about quality?
I think I'm giving arguments about why I think the movie is not tha good. You are just saying is good because you liked it, dismissing any mistakes because everyone makes them, and pretty much insulting me for not agreeing with you. Is not very constructive, you know? Perhaps you'd want to review that attitude?
SmilingRhino1
It’s just that you said the movie is “so bad done that it literally falls to pieces.” I take that as meaning the movie is awful, which is isn’t. Disliking the movie is fine, I’ve told that to multiple people (not you, sorry for not clarifying), and even having a terrible time when watching the movie is okay, but that doesn’t make it an objectively terrible movie. I hate Furious 7. Like, REALLY hate it. I think it’s terrible. However, is it a terrible movie, a terrible blockbuster? Nope. It ain’t. So when I say TLJ haters, I mean people who think TLJ is AWFUL and TRULY awful. Objectively awful.
As for the logic on the transports. I already said it. The naked eye couldn’t have seen it. Snoke used his magnifier, which is how we were able to.
As for Holdo, I don’t really know when and how she would’ve been scolded. It really wouldn’t have made any sense for Poe or anyone really to pull her aside and say, “Her Holdo, why in the hell did you...?” It would’ve been very needless to the overall plot, especially since everyone was trying to escape.
Then we have Citizen Kane. I know that you said that you weren’t denying other movies having plot holes, but you still kind of ignored my point. My example is used because even when a movie has breaks in logic, it doesn’t mean the whole movie is broken. That’s because of the positives outweighing the negatives.
My final sentence in that last paragraph is when you point out something that I hadn’t really thought of. The positives outweighing the negatives is my opinion. I feel like TLJ is better than the average blockbuster, but then again, my opinion.
However, I still want to turn this all back around to one point that I want to get out to a lot of people. You may not think it, but your one statement made it seem like you did. The Last Jedi is not an objectively awful film. One can hate the film (like how I despise the Scarlet Johansson film, Lucy), but it’s not awful. Awful is Razzie level. Awful is Jack and Jill, Bucky Larson, etc. People are way too harsh on this movie because it’s Star Wars. If it was San Andreas level of quality, the hate would be even more insane. But it’s not, so many fans go batshit. I’ve said to a lot of people (and one friend who hates so much of this movie), thinking this movie is bad is okay, that’s your opinion, but objectively awful makes no sense.
Hey fella. Great to have geekyglassestv back. (The august club was mint)
I get your critisms of Rose but the reason I liked her was at least she had agency.
Finn becomes conscious and she's already dragging him to safety rather than waiting around going 'what do we do now?' which is rare in a female support character. Granted she didn't have much else going for her but I'll take that over damsel in distress.
The film itself was really strong from that point of view. Female leadership where they led in a feminine way, they weren't just men with tits as female leaders are often portrayed. Also high ranked female leaders who were supportive of one another rather than 'catty' or 'bitchy' or some other shit.
Progress!
If only they'd left in the deleted Rey scene. A little more action in the middle, and it is very important to the plot.
Very good review. I struggled with some parts but overall I think it was a good movie. Can't wait for episode 9.
Thank you.
nice to see ya back man.
I don't hate you Geeky. I just completely disagree with you on this flick. Glad you're back regardless.
Thank you sir. Nice video and I agree with most points. Now, for all those thinking that fans have some right to determine that story progression: where were you in 1997 when Lucas vandalized the Original Trilogy? Where was your rage when Lucas ignored every single speck of lore set up in the OT and created midichlorians, changed the entire plot of the clone wars from what he’d approved for the Thrawn trilogy, ignored Obiwans description of Anakins personality and events of that time, and so on.
If your have to convince someone that something is good or great after they partake of it and declared it bad or even horrible; then, it is bad - it is horrible!
everything you said about luke, is exactly what ive been trying to tell people! great video! love the accent!
you missed the Canto Bite scene because of course Finn will be surprised at the gambling and the goings on, because he's seeing a place that he didn't get to see when he was a Stormtrooper. So yes he will be a bit off about it. Rose also isn't a solider. Only her sister Paige was. So I'm glad she wasn't some kickass fighter/warrior. It was quite refreshing. The entire film was brilliant in the way it turned things on it's own head.
I didn't care for the Canto Bight sequence either. It was too prequel-ish for me, but functioned well enough for the overall narrative. I just saw that part as being made for the kids. Not everything SW has to b about "ME", even tho I'm a "real" fan for almost 40 years now.
YAY! You're back! Do you still think It is the next Godfather?
Great to have you back and a great review as always. I personally didn't like the movie overall but I really like your thoughts about it and to see how our thoughts differs.
I hope I'll see more from you soon
Finn's sacrifice would have saved everyone?? You sure? They don't have a spare ram for the door to call in? Like the dreadnought, good job Poe. Got so many bombers killed but can you replace those pilots? The crews? The bombers themselves?
What are you people talking about??
Oh yeah I'm a big fan of The Last Jedi too and I am a firm believer in the chemistry between Finn and Rose. Not a believer in the chemistry between Anakin and Padme.
The story wasn’t very interesting the dialogue isn’t very memorable at all. But the movie just looks beautiful what a pretty pretty movie. It dragged in bits but also in some bits my heart was pounding harder than it ever has before in a movie or ever. I really enjoyed myself while watching it. I’d watch it again. I can’t say that for 5 out of the movies. Also I like having my expectations subverted.
+6:07 That shot of the Space ships makes no sense - I think it's supposed to be a zoom in on the Rhaddus - but it looks instead exactly like the rebel ships leaving Hoth in TESB
The problem is non of them is pointed in the direction of flight - so either they are all motionless in high orbit - or they are all moving contrary to the direction of thrust for no apparent reason - It makes the Rhaddus look like it's flying sideways.
It's just "shot completely wrong" to look like a zoom.
AMEN BROTHER! THE PEOPLE ARE THE PROBLEM!
Watched it again for the first time since its theater run. Still love it. Best of the Disney films for sure. It felt epic, emotional, it had great action and great drama and brought some cool new Force mythology to the saga. Canto Bight was a bit of a let down, but I did like that it added some colour to the new movies. Maybe a prequel thing, perhaps, but a welcome one... (the Rose ramming into Finn at the end was one of the stupidest things though, what was up with that?)
I get how you were bored by the Canto Bight plotline, but I actually believe it was there to be the "kid" version of the overall theme of the movie: how our perceptions can be false, and how failure can be a learning opportunity. I think with Star Wars, some themes are too mature/sophisticated for younger audiences. They can visually understand what is happening, but they miss the nuance of character dialogue and tone. I think the Rose and Finn plotline was fun, and obviously served a purpose in the end. They showed the slave kids that the spirit of Rebellion is real, and that maybe the future isn't so bad. They were reminded of the heroes of the past...specifically Luke Skywalker. But, just my thoughts and opinions. Great video!
Wow. I saw the notification of this review and quickly clicked to watch. GGTV, I...I don't know who you are anymore...your Last Jedi review has just torn me apart!
Ps- Welcome back!
but holdo still doesn't explain whats going on when people are loading onto the transport vessels or even after poe has revealed his plot...
I was a little on the fence after the first viewing, but went to see it in OT again, and then a third time. Loved it. Yes it's flawed, but it's a great ride and I'm so interested in where they go next. Nice review though. I'm happy that at least most of the movie reviewers I follow agree that the movie is actually great. It gives me hope. :D
I loved it too
And yes, what she robs Finn of at the end was downright insulting
Wait..... Rose did the most naive and stupid thing you've ever seen in a block buster by stopping Finn from killing himself for no reason???? Wtf..... if Finn sacrificed himself right there for no reason THAT would have been naive and stupid. Her saving him wad literally the EXACT opposite... do you know what naive means??? Him being overly confident and thinking he'd somehow make a difference even though that thing was tearing his ship apart is the very definition of naive. Her saving him from his own stupidity and naive need to prove his new found rebellious ways to be real.....was the OPPOSITE of naive...
It's funny to see fans who know fuck all about storytelling suddenly use words like "not written well" to describe this movie.
Do Jack and the cukoo clock heart please! C: , you can find it in fmovies.com Its not new but the film is pretty nice! glad to have you back
I don't really care about Star Wars
I just like good movies and this seemed like a massive missed opportunity
Star wars was always made for kids rose was great for her heart, she watch fin almost turned martyr and she reminded him we don't need to sacrifice our lives to make a point, which would lead to extremism, the canotene scenes did great children service I could see myself in the form of today's children as was the case in my infant years.
Yet you also have 3 different scenes in the same movie of people sacrificing themselves for others. contradictions upon contradictions.
In Defence of The Last Jedi by Movieswithmikey