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In Defense of The Last Jedi: Dynasties Don't Matter
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 26 เม.ย. 2018
- In this episode of Movies with Mikey, we discuss grey Jedi and why dynasties don't matter.
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“Why would I make any more when everybody yells at you all the time and says what a terrible person you are?"
-George Lucas 2012 on why he refused make more Star Wars films.
I can't enjoy one single minute of the prequels. Trust me, I can't.
But I feel sad for George, he made his movies. He gave his best, we all know he gave his best.
It's sad because he is a person, and people didn't like his movies, and now they want to say that his person sucks?
Ironic
@@o...o4144 Not even the podraces? The duel of the fates bit?
@@theothertonydutch pod races not needed and the duel cuts away to crap stuff al the way through.
@@theothertonydutch oh that's true, pod racing and Duel of the Fates are pretty enjoyable. But the overall story doesn't work for me, but that's no excuse to harass George
@kevin willems I really hate Episode 3 😂
"We are finite creatures"
*holds on Carrie Fisher's face*
oh....
Gosh, seeing this again after TROS is just depressing
I know Right?
Just wonder what could have been
It really is. If they would have continued with the storyline, it would have been a masterpiece. But instead we got rushed story that doesn't make sense to the whole trilogy. Very disappointing in TROS.
They pandered to bad faith criticism and it’s just so depressing that the bones of a good story were just under the surface
I remember leaving my second screening of TLJ having had everything click, and just elated that the moorings had been cut for Episode IX to chart its own path. Man, I'll never underestimate creative cowardice again.
You millennial kids with your non-binary Jedi identities get off my lawn...
I laughed so damn hard
Yeah I thought that was by far the best line. Had me laughing out loud.
I laughed so hard my mum yelled at me to shut the fuck up. Worth it
@Ricardo Gonzalez I am literally seven months off from being a Millennial myself. Was born in 1980. But because I was born right before one generation officially began, but right at the tail end of the previous generation, I've never felt like a member of EITHER.
@Ricardo Gonzalez i didn't use it as an insult.
Ricardo Gonzalez aren’t we forgetting generation-z then?
"Rey raised herself."
When Rey asks the Force to show her who her parents are and she just sees herself finally clicked.
This whole 'show me who my parents are/were' thing is odd. She must have known them, to a point. It was pretty clear from TFA that she was raised by parents who she remembers (else why whine for them). She then probably had some kind of adult supervision (unkar plutt) til she was old enough to look after herself. Not a huge reveal, really.
+Don Substance that scene in my opinion was the worst form of fan service ever, at no point in TFA did I ever get the impression Rey did not know who her parents were! so why would she do that? and then you have that scene with Kylo seriously if her parents were not going to be a major detail there is no reason to bring it up at all in the movie.
hooooollllyyyy ffffffuuuuuck
Don Substance she also remembers seeing a ship take off with them apparently in it. Which is odd for a couple of lowlifes so poor they sold her for drinking money
well the value of ships is never defined in star wars so they could still be lowlifes, hell they could of even of stolen it, but either way it does imply that she does know who they were if she remembers them leaving her on jakku flying off in said ship.
Rey not being a dynasty character really, REALLY makes me pray that she isn't a Palpatine clone
What if she's Luke's clone from his severed hand which is why she's attracted to his lightsaber and has that vision with multiple hers in the cave? And she still has no real parents. Idk it's simple and it would make me happy.
I agree. And have to say it is DISGUSTING how many so-called "fans" actually want this reality to be true. I just want to shake them roughly in my hands, and scream at them: "NOT EVERYONE IN THE STAR WARS UNIVERSE HAS TO BE RELATED TO SOMEONE ELSE FOR A GOOD STORY TO BE TOLD!!" It's honestly like the original generation of Star Wars fans has been hypnotized by Episodes IV, V, and VI, and they literally cannot accept anything remotely different. Remember when the Prequel Trilogy was tied up for a burning at the stake?? You should, that was only twenty years ago...
But then "Force Awakens" borrows a ton of stuff from Episode IV, and... they all just FREAK OUT over it!
I suppose there's a lesson here... You literally CANNOT please some people...
Calling it a "dynasty" is really fucking stupid. Normal people call it a family
@@Kinghenhog39 Also the the arc of the Meta-Crisis Doctor from the NuWho season 4 finale....
@@msmslatinclass4959 sorry as geeky as I am I have never seen Dr Who past the first episode but I've always wanted too.
The whole "Rey's backstory is the Villain's and Kylo's one is the hero's" thing blew my mind.
Also I loved the "Dynasties don't matter" part.
I keep rewatching this video and my biggest fear is honestly that they backtrack every meaningful decision in order to make Rey belong to some legacy or bloodline and make it all cookie cutter with some special twist. This is my second-favorite Star Wars film because of how Rian goddamn well he handled the greater themes of Star Wars and told a genuinely heartfelt and entertaining story . I don't want them to try and negate that, though honestly even if they do, nothing could take away from the story told here.
The only problem is that both actually have protagonist backstories, and that Kylo's turn happens entirely offscreen because "a wizard did it"
@CommandoDude Anakin was the first nobody. They don't have to make her special by contriving some bloodline, she can also be a nobody with a humble background, but at least some explanation of her abilities would be nice. The point isn't that anyone can be special, it's that a special person can come from anywhere. What makes them special is they all have an incredible story to tell. Rey so far has no story, and we're two movies in.
@CommandoDude The Jedi chose him, randomly bumped into him, mention throughout the prequels they might have misinterpreted the prophecy.
None of that even matters because Anakin was a nobody before the Jedi found him. At least Luke can't say he was a nobody after that.
edit: the many abilities need an explanation because:
1) using the Force without any training or any knowledge of what the Force even is, let alone what it's capable of, to the degree Rey does in TFA and TLJ is faster and better than Masters practicing for decades, centuries in Yodas case. How?
2) She flies the Falcon better than we've ever seen, and she's never seen it off the ground.
3) She's practically lived as a hermit dealing with the possibility she was abandoned by her parents, but has no problem relating to people, is more altruistic, more optimistic, practically no flaws, and that's boring. She's already a paragon, she's got nowhere to go but down.
I thought she was the main character, but maybe it turns out the dude who murdered Han is the good guy?
@@krieghart5515 I totally agree with you that those reasons need an explanation.
I don't know if Mikey ever did an essay on the sequel to this movie, but I really wanted a sequel to THIS MOVIE. I'm extremely disappointed with what we got instead, and I just wondered what Mikey thought about it.
One key point that people never seem to mention regarding Kylo's "let the past die" speech. He talks about burning everything and starting fresh but then immediately after he says that gives Rey a variation of the same "join me and together we can rule!" line that Vader gave Luke at the end of Empire. He thinks he's moving on from the past but all he's doing is neglecting the lessons learned by the previous generation and making the same mistakes.
as we may recall from that time a young dipshit wandered into a cave, looking for the Dark Side to grant them an answer, and encountered only their own reflection: such is the dark side.
the dark is the same thing. forever. yourself. only yourself. alone, and empowered by that solitude. something that cannot be comprehended by lesser minds; something that cannot be beaten. something that cannot be betrayed. an eternal solipsism, certain that your will alone defines possibility.
and always so unpleasantly surprised by the discovery that connections to other people still matter
Yankee Ice Still a recycled scene that Johnson stole from a far superior SW film. Along with several others.
No, but see, Abrams is the one who steals from superior SW films. Johnson honours and transforms it to his own purposes.
hey remember that time finn hit the thing, and the star wars chess thing popped up
really added to the movie, imo
Op, this is such an insightful comment and the reason why I didn't mind at all that everything we know about the Force is being shaken up.
It’s so weird stumbling on this after ROS. So much they could have done, but chose to try to please everyone and failed so badly
It’s not really their fault because they wanted to appease the fans who were constantly bitching it’s the fans
@@natecorwin4382 Pretty much
@@natecorwin4382 Star wars fandom sucks they say the want some thing, they hate that thing and then they wanna see the same history over and over, and Is ok to don't like a movie. But shit some people is very mean (sorry if my english is not perfect) ryan Johnson is a nice guy, he looks happy and exited about his job and people just insult him a treat him like some kind of villain. Is sad
And shit i hated ros, but jj habrams is a human being doing his best to make happy and audience that hate everything
They chose to pander to bad faith criticism. A terrible movie, made worse by the cultural moment that birthed it.
That's what happens when you try to please the toxic fandom, that will hate your movie either way, just because they want to hate it. Sad that they paid so much attention to that bs
The Last Jedi was a 2017 Holywar
You already got me, man
The Last Jedi was a Pearl Harbour for Star Wars fans...it was the start of a civil war in the fandom.
@@evertonporter7887 yes
Rey, born with a villain's backstory, but chose to become the hero
Ben, born with the hero's backstory, and felt he was entitled to be the hero
Wait, these characters have backstories? Which book did you read those in?
@@pezdispencer113 no book, it's said in the video
@@pezdispencer113 It isn't given in expressed detail, but the basics are understood.
Joshua Greger lol Ben is a fascist who leads space Nazis. He ain’t helping nobody. Rey is a hero who saved the Resistance
Jacob Waldrup
lol what how do you get Kylo Ren = nazi. his character arc is so divorced from whatever the hell the first order is up to that it barely matters that he’s the designated poster boy for them. y’all ever read a book before, ever seen a multidimensional character, ever heard of varying plot threads, ever learned what a character foil is 😔😳 kylo ren is not your abusive ex boyfriend, or your racist neighbor, or the MRA you argue with online. he’s fictional stop projecting 🤧
I keep coming back to this just so I could feel some kindness, it literally makes me cry every time. Thank you, Mikey
I rewatched Force Awakens recently, and considering the amount of blowback that Last Jedi received for not closing the loops in the way that a lot of fans wanted, I was surprised to be reminded just how minor Rey's parentage and Snoke are to that movie. I think that a lot of people just spent a lot of time on the Internet theorizing and then were angry that their theories didn't get paid off. That's not Last Jedi's fault.
No it has nothing to do with fan theories, people hated the fact that snoke was supposed to be an incredibly powerful enemy and force user who was given an incredibly disappointing death that served no purpose except to push the trilogy in rian johnsons direction, which was fucking terrible
@@Flash244MCGaming Think I'm just going to have to disagree with you on this one, bud.
First of all, let's go straight at it and say that Snoke sucks. Snoke was an exceptionally silly creation (he's the Emperor, just even more grotesque!), and he is onscreen for all of two scenes that don't even add up to three minutes *as a hologram* in TFA. I think it's pretty hard to argue, just based on the movies, that he was "supposed to be" anything. The only place he was "supposed to be" an incredibly powerful enemy and force user was reddit or in the heads of some fans. Taking an axe to the things like Snoke about TFA that didn't work to carve out more time for the things that did was absolutely the right decision, especially in the context of this already somewhat bloated movie (which I love).
And besides, we really didn't need a complete regurgitation of the Emperor/Vader Master/Apprentice dynamic. It's great that people love this universe so much, but not every Star Wars movie or television show can be an artistically bankrupt exercise in circling back to all of the things we like about the movies that came before. Why even make new movies at that point?
And I just completely disagree that his death served no purpose, or that it was disappointing. For me, Snoke's death was probably the biggest Oh Shit! moment I've had watching movies or TV since Ned Stark's head got lopped off on GoT. It opened up so many more storytelling possibilities and was the first time watching anything of the sequel trilogy that didn't make me think "Oh, they're just doing the original trilogy with new actors." It was very, very cool and definitely not a disappointment. I got chills and my jaw hit the floor when that happened. Those are the kinds of moments I want to experience when I go to a movie.
@@frams12 well said. Agreed.
@@Flash244MCGaming yet another complaint that says nothing of the filmaking on display. Everything you said holds zero water.
@@mayorofbagtown9097 the movie fucking sucks, end of story and im not gonna spend my time making points thatve been made by hundreds of reviewers who actually know good movies
If they make Rey a skywalker, and the title Rise of Skywalker is due to her, I'll be disappointed 😞
It might be refering to kylo
I hope its kylo
It might be referring to her, but the movie could be about the elevation from a name to a title. The notion could be that you don't have to be born someone special to be great. I prefer a nobody overcoming the life they were born into over someone important deciding not to be a dick because someone new was nice to him.
@@dizzygnome6698 oh so conflicted haha. When a Skywalker redeems themselves, they go dead hah. If this wasn't SW i would think it's Kylo's rise to supreme power, ruling the galaxy, and being the new final boss in the franchise for the next films hehe. As if, hehe.
I've heard of a leaked script and it seems that in the end of ep 9 kylo ren builds an order called "the skywalkers" whoose members are grey jedi who defend the force
I come back to this video every now and again and just get a little emotional about SW, TLJ, and RoS. TLJ in a way flipped a switch in me and made me think about movies and movie analysis a lot more. This video from Mikey very much nurtured that.
"We are what they grow beyond. That is the true burden of all masters." -Yoda
It's sad that so many fans are focusing on Kylo Ren's "Burn It All" message.
Yeah, for real. Kylo's all-consuming need to "kill the past" was what blinded him to all the clues that Luke wasn't really there on Crait.
His only student failed and his only hope would've happened regardless of whether he got involved or not.
So, in 30 years, we can expect a star wars reboot with Rey failing a student and reverting the galaxy to Empire 3.0?
Herman Cillo That's kind of the whole point of the movie, isn't it? To reject and abandon the teachings, legacies, and attachments to the past? Isn't that why it's so important that Luke accepts himself as a failure with no more purpose, and Rey learns nothing meaningful from him?
That point you made about the mind tricks got me thinking. People seem to assume that Rey never used the Force before TFA. But you suggest she was always using it as a child, and that makes a lot of sense to me. How did Rey survive jumping around the cavernous interiors of wrecked starships? How did she fight off the various thugs and other scavengers of Jakku? She's been unknowingly connected to the Force her whole life; she says as much to Luke. "Something inside me has always been there. But now it's awake, and I'm afraid."
Good point. After all, the old jedi order started training kids in their preteens, so I could see the force being unconsciously used by a young woman in times of stress. That and all the fans complaining that Luke didn't use the force till after he met Obi Wan.
A) I thought the force was a mystical energy field with a mind of its own, not high level calculus. Sometimes it's more powerful in one person, or manifests differently, sometimes it's less. People scream that the force has to reach its apex in Luke, as though we cannot have more powerful characters than him. It's fan favoritism, and I think it would make the Star Wars universe a whole lot duller. "You know the protagonist of the first Star Wars movie? Well he's the apex of power, no one can be more powerful than him." Seems to really set the universe up for failure, or at least a long slide into mediocrity.
B) Why the hell can't the force manifest in a freaking teenager. Weren't plenty of teens in the old jedi order padawans who were going on adventures with their masters?
C) You want midiclorians? You want the force to be explained scientifically? Cause this sort of whining about the slightest inconsistency is how you convince the writers to bring back midichlorians. After all, the fandumb screamed that the force has to be consistent, so you'd better come up with iron hard rules for it.
There's a reason why we're going to be talking about this film for the rest of our lives, while most have already closed the door on TRoS.
Whether or not I liked or didn't like a particular Star Wars movie, I always remembered them at least. Rise of Skywalker was already leaving my brain two minutes after I stepped out of the theater.
TRoS was a last attempt at pleasing the toxic fandom, which in itself was an attempt doomed to failure before it had even started. Because at least I whole-heartedly believe that there is nothing they can or could ever do to flip the "OT only hardliners" and the "EU enthusiasts" so I can only hope that they understood that now and stop listening to those people
No, it's a super-rare Dumpster Dyad and Ballyhooed Binary of the cinematic universe -- you can't see one film without seeing how the other film screwed it up and vice-versa.
@@doomse150 TRoS was an attempt by abrams to fix the shit show rian johnson started. TLJ just takes everything that was built up in the first film which was actually an ok movie aand throws it out the window. Instead we got a movie with no logic, no likeable characters besides Poe and Finn, and a movie that sets up the third one for complete failure
@@Flash244MCGaming Care to back up any of the claims you are making?
JJ shoulda stuck to the path this movie layed out. Star Wars woulda got pretty bold. This is good storytelling
@Pierce Farrell I agree with all of those to a certain extent except the mistreatment of Leia and Luke...
@Pierce Farrell hahaha
The guy searched for links to prove his arguments.
Bro, Rian, JJ and a door knows more about screenwriting than you
If there only was a outline for all 3 movies
Like you don’t even have to know improve to know that “yes and...” is the one rule in continuing any story
It really did set up an unpredictable end but no instead they scrapped it and made a worse movie by a mile with a terribly boring predictable ending
* Mikey says “don’t jump to conclusions”
* literally does a jump cut to his video’s conclusion
While I hear these industry terms thrown around in various videos I watch, I don't know what most of them are/mean. It's nice to see Mikey pleasing more than just the "target" audience. He tends to be clever like that.
his match cut about Snoke's fashion had me rolling
boy has some geeky industry humor
Also, I really like that the scene on Canto Bight was a way for the audience to see War profiteers and people that are exempt from scrutiny while also exposing the naivety of the good guys and accidentally inspiring some children to prove that people from any background can be part of the force
I love how the windows designs look like death stars. Showing us without telling us that, yes, these people are profiting from war, but then showing through DJ that they are playing both sides.
This would be an interesting thing to explore in later movies/TV shows. Maybe they can do a heist movie to steal their money like Ocean's 11. HAHAHA no.
in reality canto bight was a way to fill screen time with meaningless sub plots, but you can go with that if it makes you feel better
@@Flash244MCGaming it does because I actually understand story structure but feel bad about it if you want to
@@jeffwallace673 so what part of the stories structure was canto bight? and i mean besides a REALLY obvious take on capitalism that even a middle schooler could understand
Totally agree with just about everything. Too bad Rise of Skywalker completely screws it up.
Personally did not enjoy TLJ but God damn can I agree with you. If Disney had doubled down supporting the man they hired to helm this film then perhaps the final film in this franchise could have at least been coherent and had some real vision and message behind it...
I honestly don't get what was Disney goal with TROS.
If Disney wants people to enjoy TLJ, how they can expect that they will, when they make a movie that points the middle finger to TLJ?
If Disney wanted to improve TLJ perception through the Fandol, why not make a movie that concludes its ideas?
WTF
Enzo Saraiva
Disney’s goal was to wash their hands of this trilogy once they’d realized the shit storm they created.
Crusty783
How though? No offense but are u a movie goer who just admires the spectacle? Genuinely curious as to how someone could like these movies.
Paul Murphy He wanted you go the Grey Jedi route, and was making decisions that were truly terrible and in some instances out of character. Trevorrow had to go
It's funny, I'm kinda glad that people are appreciating The Last Jedi a bit more now after RoS came out...but I'm kinda sad, because I also like Rise of Skywalker..that said, I feel Rose deserved way more..
More than 70 seconds LOL. I feel so sorry for Kelly what an injustice
@@darkthorpocomicknight7891 yeah, it really is...just really disappointed when I think about it..Kelly deserved better
IK people say their hot racist but this is just as sexist and racist as some other things
"Star Wars needs to grow up and and WE need to grow up" Yes Yes Yes thank you
I don't always agree with your opinions or views, but goddamn will I always be open to listening to your point.
I hated the last Jedi but after watching this changed my opinion. Thank you for opening up my closed mind.
I wish more people are open minded like you. Unfortunately, that doesn't seem to be the case. Stay awesome!
Welcome back. We always knew there was still good in you.
Isn't that great? Mikey totally opens minds. Definitely mine...
@@djazzy welcome back!
I loved it but for much different reasons. I went high as fuck and just thought it was good fun (which is the same opinion I have for every star wars pretty much) though watching this made me realize there was a lot more to it.
This movie has so much subtext - I won’t get over it
It’s such a thoughtful deconstruction of Star Wars and it’s such a shame to see people accuse Johnson of not caring about the franchise
Yes. Rian gave a new meaning for all the themes in Star Wars.
Poe is an impulsive pilot who always win - Rian made Poe face his flaws to become something more than just a good pilot.
Rey is a Jedi apprentice who needs to stay in the light side with her master - Rian made Rey interact with Kylo, in a way that she almost likes or trusts him.
Luke is now a cool Jedi master with super powers and he is going to train Rey - Rian made Luke a man who failed to live like the person the galaxy expected him to be, so now he needs to learn to rise again and become a legend.
The list could go on
My first thought when leaving the theatre back in 2017 was: "I love that film, it's a masterpiece." Two years later I have a deeper understanding of why i had this first thought. The Last Jedi truly is a masterpiece, that the franchise desperately needed. Thank you for this video!
Say sike!!
Samesies
You really dont understand the franchise
masterpiece? nah fam, but it is a good movie. I like this movie but it has up and down like the plot holes and i disliked the ending the most. The ending seems defies the theme of the movie, if u should forget the past and embrace urself, why Rey still taking taking the mantle of Jedi and preserve it. Rey could still be the good guys but leave the jedi tittle behind. Hope this make sense
It's not a masterpiece, but it laid a foundation for one in the future.
and they ruined all of what the last jedi built only to cater to whiny fanboys who didn't like the movie
But also because they never planned what would happen to all the characters in the end and just made it up as theg went along
Sequel Trilogy was set to fail once they didn’t blueprint it out with a developed plot to cover across the films and instead made every film their own story essentially. What kills me is they had a ton of material from the old expanded universe/Legends novels to draw inspiration from but made it a nostalgic callback series with more humor than storytelling.
The director shift is so painfully clear in some decisions. We went from a deconstruction of the themes of Star Wars and the start of an evolution of them to something that feels exactly like a movie from the original triology, which is kind of a step backwards.
It really felt like there was an active attempt to undermine every single thing TLJ said.
@@GanzoHasashi1911 It doesn't MATTER if you don't have a plan. The OT didn't have a plan. Look how it turned out.
what the problem is that Lucasfilm rushed production on TROS and got perhaps the worst screenwriter in Chris Terrio to write it.
Lol it’s last Jedi that ruined all of what tfa set up. And it’s for money, not fanboy, sjw warriors don’t contribute enough money too keep ruin Johnson hahah
"The moral of this film [...] was to not jump to conclusions."
I've watched this video, like, 50 times and somehow that line specifically didn't stand out like the Beetlejuice sign until THIS watch. Damn.
I have watched this a few times since TROS. Regardless of what you think of the finale, I am thankful this exists. The SW saga hits me on a super personal level, and when someone shows this much love to the craft and and thought behind it all it is a beacon to all those those may feel lost in the storm. Thank you again Mikey.
I loved how Luke reproaches Rey for saying that the force is used to move rocks and then that's what she does in the end of the movie
That was his Third Lesson. "Lifting Rocks"
Indeed. TLJ is one of the most thematically inconsistent blockbusters in recent years
@@IAmGeorgeLucas quite.
lol remember when Yoda struggled to keep those few pieces of ceiling from falling onto the others?
@@krieghart5515 lol remember whem star killer tore down a star destoyer and TOTALLY RUINED STAR WARS DEERRRREBUUURRRP HEEEHHAAAWWWW
Dammit Mikey, I was very attached to my hate of this movie, so much so that I refused to watch it again. Now you've had to go and point out a bunch of stuff I didn't pick up the first time around, and now I can't hate it any more.
I'm not sure if I can say I like it, but you have made me think more deeply about it.
Thank you for doing what you do.
Michael Parr Kek
I love Last Jedi. Give it another chance and seriously think about the film. Most Last Jedi haters don't.
Cooper Bane Preach.
lol Since I watched this movie and saw all the hate on the internet and people complaining about stuff that had explanation behind that they didn't get it I said: "There are people who liked this movie, and people who didn't understand it."
I had a counter argument to ever single criticism people had about this movie... Everything people would point out they didn't like, I would explain why they simply didn't get it. I dare anyone to throw a plot hole at me and I can explain what they missed.
Thiago Vidal Sure you can make up your own answer. The problem is the movie doesn't answer the plot holes which is why they are plot holes. Some stuff like the ships being lighter therefore faster is just absurd and has been touched on in the OT.
Some nerds are actually like, "How dare you defend a movie?"
@SpiritWolf2K Don't see that it could have existed without them.
@SpiritWolf2K I think if you casually state your opinions to strangers as facts, there isn't really anything eventful that could come from arguing with you.
@SpiritWolf2K .
@SpiritWolf2K true every movie does have flaws, Some have bigger ones than others.
@SpiritWolf2K you mean like emotion and development yes a complete waste of time yea the star wars fandom is toxic as fuck for no reason
Even though we know that she’s a palpatine now, that doesn’t change that she still has the villains backstory, and as he said “dynasties don’t matter”
“I’ll feed you baby birds if you graciously stay with me for a bit”
ROFLMAO so done, and already hooked into the video
“Broom kid” has a new meaning after watching this.
@Réd Rôsé Broom kid is Darth Plagueris' son.
@@matti.8465
You fool
Its obvious, that Broom Kid
IS JAR JARS ADOPTIVE SON
Even the first shot you chose for the video is beautiful. Actually looks like a painting you'd see in a museum. I think the cinematography is the most underrated aspect of this film.
Nick TLJ is without a doubt the most beautiful Star Wars movie ever
People losing their minds over this movie when the last of the originals had grumpy teddy bears as it's Deus ex Machina is kind of silly.
Or all of a sudden now complaining about "plotholes" or "inconsistencies" "ruining" the film when the original had Leia knowingly bring the entire Empire to the doorstep of the rebel base when she decided it was a good idea to bring the Falcon carrying the plans to Yavin IV knowing damn well it was being tracked the whole time.
@@pacman5698 You need to rewatch that scene. Leia isn't flying the ship/in command, she tells Han they're tracking them and he straight up says "Not this ship, sister." Regardless, attacking the OT doesn't defend the ST, it just attacks the OT. You're basically saying "well star wars was always terrible!", its not much of a defense.
@Pez Dispencer I think what he/she was trying to say that, if you’re judging films to this kind of level, you need to be able to acknowledge those same kind of flaws in the movies you do like. It’s not really a defense of the ST but more of a, “when you criticize this for doing that weird thing, why aren’t you being critical of those ones as well?” When you to give some movies a pass for doing one odd thing, but bash another for doing something on par as odd, it basically shows bias.
@@directorforplastic7929 people did criticism the Ewoks in RotJ, they were not a popular edition. They called Luke a whiny bitch in 4 and we all know how popular Jar Jar was. TLJ is not being held to a special standard which is exactly my point, and again it still doesn't make TLJ any better at all.
@@pezdispencer113 Ditto for what Director of Plastic said.
Also, I have seen the scene multiple times, and if we're gonna chastise Star Wars, or any film for "plotholes" again, Episode IV can't escape it. To say all the logical inconsistencies of the original trilogy can be brushed aside by making up some fan theories or speculation but the inconsistencies seen in the sequels should be taken and used against the films on face value proves that the foundation of criticizing a film for it's gaps in "logic" tends to be completely arbitrary. If you were to approach somebody on a film they loved but pointed out some random inconsistency that doesn't really detract from the viewing, many are quick to pull some random explanation and speak on behalf of the movie's own logic themselves, but if it's a movie somebody hates they'll usually agree it's a plothole on face value.
And I've seen the original film multiple times. For a rebel leader who has been adamant and centered nearly every move on making sure the plans don't fall into the Empire's hands and that the rebellion can take the battle to the Death Star, she seems to suddenly give no crap about bringing the entire fascist force right to the base of the alliance which would certainly spell destruction for the whole resistance. Saying "Well, Han Solo was in charge of the ship." is kind of a lazy explanation to brush it aside. A simple line or scene or her objecting or arguing with him would seal up perhaps a bit better, but we don't get that. And keep in mind, I'm not the only one who has noticed arguably one of the biggest plotholes in the entire franchise on film,. HISHE was doing parodies of Leia bringing the whole Empire to their doorstep back in 2007. And keep in mind, the reason it's a plothole in the first place because Maria Lucas, (who saved the entire film in the editing bay and is an unsung hero of the whole franchise) rewrote the whole scenario of the Battle of Yavin. Making it so that instead of the Death Star hanging around in space for the rebels to blow it up, she would use different takes, off-screen dialogue, re-use shots, etc. to make it so the whole rebel base was about to be blown up if the Empire's weapon wasn't destroyed in time. So hey, a logical inconsistency which made the whole finale, one of the greatest final action scenes of any movie ever made, a better product in the end.
And of course I'm not arguing from the point of "These movies suck with their faults, so the originals sucked too!" I'm coming from the point that, despite what many may say, "plotholes" or "inconsistencies" can be a great thing for movies if they are used to a better end. Some of the most loved and praised movies have tons of moments where their own logic is contradicted or peddled back again. Just look at the rest of the Star Wars trilogy. The Empire clearly could have created a better blockade around Hoth to ensure the destruction of the rebellion's escape, the Empire never brings that AT-AT which brings Luke to Vader in RotJ to the Battle of Endor to crush the entire Ewok and rebellion uprising to destroy the shield generator, Vader could have easily force lifted Luke out of the Cloud City air shaft when he decided to jump in ESB, the list goes on. Yet do I care about any of this plotholes? No, not really. Because the characters, messages, themes, and stories surrounding these inconsistencies are so great that they basically go unnoticed. Same thing goes with the sequel trilogy in my eyes.
And the same goes with tons of movies I love that aren't Star Wars related. If Doctor Strange were to just cut off Thanos's arm on Titan like he did to his goon back in NYC when Ebony Maw first came to Earth, Thanos would be quickly dealt with, and Infinity War would not have its astonishing ending. And no End Game to boot. Oh, and speaking of End Game, why didn't Strange get the time stone and bring Tony back to life as we was dying from his snap like he did to so many bad scenarios in his solo movie? In Jurassic Park, it makes no sense why the scientists John Hammond hires are so brilliant that they can understand DNA and the harvesting of proteins to the point they can bring back extinct forms of life, but at the same time have such a horrific misunderstanding of basic biology when they don't know certain types of frogs can change their sex. Yet, if they were to fill this plothole, the movie would lose its lovely metaphorical and literal message of "Life always finds a way.". Then there's the fact the town in Beauty and the Beast doesn't know anything about it's own apparent monarchy, how the police are so incapable of dealing with a single madman in post 9'/11 America with the Joker in The Dark Knight, etc.
As HISHE should have pointed out, if we judged every movie based on its logical inconsistencies and "plotholes" like we do in so many film criticism videos trending on TH-cam, we would discover practically no movie is safe from a brutal beating. Now, this doesn't mean one has to like the sequel trilogy, or shut up about whenever they see a logical fallacy in a film, but the idea that we can decide whether or not to judge a movie as good or bad on plotholes alone is a very shallow and dangerous way to approach movie criticism. And this is what cheap channels such as CinemaSins, MauLer, and Channel Awesome love to do. Spending way more time trying to "outsmart" the director on his inability to make his film totally logically consistent instead of spending time focusing on what the movie means as a thematic piece of work, it's connection to the culture it sprang from, what the characters go through when all is said and done, etc. I mean, we did get that 2017 remake of Beauty and the Beast that did dedicate moments of its runtime to explaining tiny little nitpicks people had with the original 1991 classic (Wiping out the memory of the prince and his castle from the civilians of the kingdom, explaining why the servants were also cursed etc.)...yet is anybody going to try and argue this makes the 2017 version better than the original animated masterpiece. Because, spoiler alert...it wasn't.
I really liked TLJ. It's grown tiresome trying to refute the... Passionate...fans who didn't like it.
Then don't refute them. The director himself said something that he movie wasn't made for the fans, but for the story. Well in that path to tell this story it pissed off the fans.
The fans aren't wrong for being pissed off.
And it's annoying for those who didnt like it to refute those passionate fanboys who did like it.
Tasty Treats as an old fart who saw Star Wars in theatre when it came out back in the 70’s over 10 times, well, way more but....It changed everything, the way I looked at movies, sci-fi and the way movies would look after....and I felt the same in TLJ. It is as strong and powerful as the very first one and I love it to pieces. It did what I wanted, it moved the story and grew the characters. I love Luke and his journey.
Carpe Mkarzi Couldn't agree more man. All I wanted was something innovative and different. And boy, did we get exactly that.
It was hilarious to see on release day everyone and their dog's theories burn up in flames. Nothing better than seeing someone bypass people's expectations.
Fucking. Tell me about it. I loved it. And people bash me for it. This was beautifully laid out and prescient. It says everything that needs to be said. If you didn't like it, cool. But let us who did, just enjoy it man. Awesome work!
The sequel trilogy broke my heart. And this isn't a "Disney = Bad" polemic.. TFA was a pretty much beat-for-beat New Hope rehash. I didn't mind that. After the prequels, I thought there was value in making a movie that was basically "We get it, and you're in safe hands. We're telling a familiar story, but passing it down to these new characters." But not every Star Wars movie can just be an exercise in returning to everything we liked about each previous one. At some point, we needed a movie that was actually going to move the story forward. We got that in TLJ. But then we got the campaign to tank the Rotten Tomatoes score. And then we got the change.org petition. And then we got a million stupid "TLJ is SJW propaganda" posts. And so on. So Disney retconned TLJ out of existence and wrapped up the series with this relentlessly incoherent movie that was made as a direct response to Internet trolling.
TFA -- Good movie (that I really like!) that loses points for recycling New Hope.
TLJ -- Awwwwwwwwwwwwesome. Definitely not perfect, but pretty damn good. And badly needed!
TROS -- A pile of garbage that has the unfortunate downside of turning the entire sequel trilogy into an incoherent mess.
If Star Wars was the genesis of "Fan Culture," then TROS is when "Fan Culture" collapsed in upon itself. The Sequel Trilogy was a failure, and that is made all the more painful by the cultural moment that sent it off the rails. The whole thing really bums me out.
This was a phenomenal video and a phenomenal explanation for why The Last Jedi is a great piece of dramatic film. I think Mikey made a few mistakes and errors (basically totally missing why people criticise Rey for being so overpowered), but other than that, back when I watched this video, I was extremely convinced that this film was a great piece of art. I watched The Last Jedi one more time, seeing it through this newfound different perspective - not the Star Wars fanboy blockbuster perspective - and my God, I LOVED IT. This film truly did do something new for Star Wars - and honestly, that's all thanks to Rian Johnson and Steve Yedlin and their tremendous work at telling a beautifully made, emotionally dramatic and contemplative story. This film went from making me hate the modern era of Star Wars, to making me love Star Wars all over again.
Thank you for your beautiful essay, man. This truly was tremendous - I can't express how much I appreciate you and how you helped me see The Last Jedi in a totally different way. Now I'm much more of a cinephile - not just a Star Wars fan - and it's helped me appreciate more risky and artsy work. In that regard, I'm so thankful for Rian Johnson and what he did to try and sublate the state of things in the Star Wars franchise.
The Last Jedi is my favorite Star Wars film. _Unapologetically._
I can never understand you. Glad you liked it. One day you can tell me how you can stomach characters like Holdo and Rose Tico. Or how it’s kool for every male character to be wrong but female characters be right doing almost the exact same thing
@@capitanawesome44 gee how many more of you are out there? Get over it, it's just girls owning boys why should that be a big deal?
@PissedOffGoalie and I'm glad you two can get along with different opinions, and not throw around "ObJeCtIvE " in the wrong way.
@Jonathan Lemche yes. As much as people recommend, don't watch losers like vito or mauler, because they are part of a line of viewers that take a popular opinion, and push it as fact.
@@capitanawesome44 because the female characters fuck up too?
15:42 how I never got this, I'll never know. This plus a lot more on this channel got ya a sub.
You really think that little 4 or 5 year old girl raised herself? Seriously???
@@captainrednek9301 what do you think happens when a child is abandoned? i mean i'm sure the guy she was sold to was doing something for her to keep her alive when she was 5, but thats not exactly a parent. children growing up without parents and having to find there own way is a very sad and very real thing that happens.
@Stellvia Heonheim Could you be any more disgusting? Fuck off outta here with that.
@The Lavian Not at all a reasonable excuse for that kind of shit. You can fuck off, too.
As someone who loved this movie, it's wild to me how quickly opinions flipped on it after The Rise of Skywalker. I also thought TROS was good, but they were good for different reasons, and I can understand why someone wouldn't like one, but would like the other. The odd part was that everything people complained about in TLJ was flipped in TROS and people then got mad it went back the other way.
To make a long story short, there was zero chance of a sequel trilogy ever pleasing 100% of the fanbase. We can't even decide which of the OT is the best movie. Hell, even the PT gets more love now that the RLM review is far enough in the past.
I didn't hate this movie. Other than execution(and I don't mean the acting), thought the ideas presented were intriguing.
Didn't _really_ hate TROS either, but I just shook my head at the lack of commitment along with the scrambling at recovering ideas that just jumped the shark.
After watching it all I could think was "okay. It's done. Let's move on."
Boom.
Enter The Mandalorian.
I thought that we had come to the consences that of the OT it was Empire Strikes Backs, and Revenge of the Sith in the PT
"he can make small feel big and big feel small" I guess that is the "lord of the rings"-quality I so love about this movie
Love the fact that they will hopefully go to “Grey” Jedi. More importantly, I wonder how much of the hate come from the fact that Rey is not from a dynasty when it’s actually a mirror to the audience, saying “Yeah you in the seat, you can choose your destiny, choose your own path!”.
Agreed!
But........we just got TROS.......
@@o...o4144 If anything TRoS complimented this. Rey being related to Palpatine shows that no matter what backround you come from you can still become anything. She was related to the most hated and evil man in the galaxy and overcame that.
They won’t. Because it’s an assinine concept. Lucas explains why it doesn’t work in this brief clip. The dark side is selfishness. So in order to channel it one must feed it. Each time upping the ante until the darkness consumes you.
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@@Mr.Lasaga that's a nice way to see things, i still prefering the nobody backhistory, but thats good, thanks
😂This aged like milk
Hey, your analysis touched me deeply. I think I need to see Last Jedi again. I cannot promise anything, but I'm more intriugued now.
I did see it again. I did love it. I would say that it is the best Star Wars movie ever. It's brilliant!
@@fornamnefternamn1532 I enjoyed it the first time, but knew it would require a 2nd viewing (I knew there were themes I had missed). It gets better each time you see it.
The problem is, a lot of Star Wars fans have grown dependant on exposition, whereas this film is clearly inspired by modern cinema that challenges the viewer to watch and dig.
Movies with Mikey and Cinemawins you guys make being a movie buff worth it.
Can we just appreciate how this guy always ends videos with something that gives you a total “Oh shit” moment
"... you're nothing"
That's why she's so special.
I bought the Art Book of the movies last week and after reading Rian notes on it, I know my thoughts were correct
Like Mikey said, he explored the coexistence between the light and the dark at the same time. Rey and Kylo are no longer enemies, they are friends. And every other theme and idea of the movie serves this concept. Rey's lineage serves her dependency on people that are already important, like Kylo. Snoke's death serves Kylo's arc of becaming the Supreme Leader and beaming even more distant from his origins, what makes him want Rey even more. Luke's failure as a Jedi and as a master serves the sympathy that Rey creates for Ben, because she is having the same experience Ben had
The themes and ideas are tied together. They tell a story. They tell a message. It's about something.
The movie doesn't waste time explaining you secrets of the lore of Star Wars while the story needs to be told
And Rian told this story
So everyone should run out and buy the Art Book to appreciate and understand what the 2+ hour movie (or 10 hours of the Sequel Trilogy) could not do by itself? The Lord of the Rings movie trilogy can stand alone without Tolkien's book trilogy masterpiece that inspired it.
@@HufflepuffDaddy Totally not their point. They were saying the thoughts generated while watching the film were confirmed by the art books.
They generated those while watching the movie.
Just because you disregard someone else's points in a dishonest way does not make you right.
@@HonsHon I want you Disney Shills to repeat this line and have a good cry -- "We're going to win this war not by fighting what we hate, but saving what we love....and we loved buying those ancillary Art Books that tried retconning a bad movie. May the Farce be with us!."
@@HufflepuffDaddy Sounds like you are the one getting emotional. Too bad a movie hurt your feelings so much.
@@HonsHon and a bad SW movie causes bad feelings among many in the fandom, including me. Hey, maybe drinking some good ol' Green Milk is the cure? Yummy!
The best video about The Last Jedi I have ever seen! Great work.
@Pierce Farrell dude this is a kid look at the pfp
@Pierce Farrell also there werre jokes in the original
You have so many great insights in this video that really adjusted my view of The Last Jedi. One in particular was the use of the Force-sensitive children to highlight that Rey was probably experimenting with her abilities her whole life - that’s a connection I never made and I definitely appreciate having it pointed out.
Thank you, MikeyFace, for articulating what I found to be so satisfactory about The Last Jedi. For a guy old enough to remember the world before Star Wars, this movie in particular brought the saga full circle. In the beginning, Luke Skywalker wanted to know about his father and had fantasies about what a heroic character he was; so much so that Obi Wan allowed him to KEEP BELIEVING them! In the next chapter, Luke finds out his father embodies Ultimate Evil. As the Original Trilogy comes to a close, Luke comes to terms with that monster still having some humanity and through this, allows him to gain some measure of salvation. From Episode IV on, Star Wars has had a double edged lesson: Don't let your heroes become gods and don't let your enemies become monsters.
^ This. Aaaaall of this.
Full circle as in rehashed, poorly copied, and destroyed the legacy of the accomplishments of the OT and Luke, then ok.
@@krieghart5515 Having the Same theme is not the same as "Rehashed"
And it's handled and displayed in a very different way
@@brianbrush5107 Who cares about themes? You can make them up based on what you took away from the movie, even "find" new ones the more you watch it.
What matters is the execution, and it failed to execute even its own themes, let alone the themes of the movies this one copied and is a sequel to.
interestingly, the book for the Last Jedi insinuated that Rey had never used the force before meeting Kylo. She learned how to tap into the force through experiencing Kylo's training of doing so.
Gotta love people making shit up even when there's clearly no authorial intent for it to be in the movie. Best one has to be that There was spy aboard the Raddus so Holdo couldn't tell Poe about the plan.
The casino sequence was easier to enjoy when I replaced part of the soundtrack with the cantina jazz from A New Hope.👍🏾
I love the three movies equally...but ngl, I sort of just headcanon that there hasn't been a finale. Rise was Abrams' attempt to rewrite the entire trilogy. Almost everything in RoS can be self-contained and its own, separate sequel to Return of the Jedi. Force Awakens and The Last Jedi are just a two piece based in the same world. It just doesn't feel like a trilogy. That's okay. I love them all as movies in their own reasons, but they just don't connect enough for me to love them as a trilogy.
I feel like in ten years, people will love this movie. it happened with RoTS.
People have come to like the phantom menace and even attack of the clones. Don't worry bud. The hate shall die off and I'll enjoy the day when I no longer see comments sections being filled with hate.
People who hate it which I have a friend who thinks it should exist and is full boycott of Disney seem to have lots of traits. 1 is no children, 2 limited mental scope 3 an undying loyalty to only the source material and cannon and will reject any and all attempts to modernize and broaden the appeal of star wars since they dont actually realize it was a kids movie, bitch your 35 grow up, and let MY kids enjoy this in peace. I remember my mother flat out telling me, she suffered through this trilogy which she hated because I liked it when I was 10. She though Return was one of the WORST films ever with those corny Ewoks. She but she enjoyed the darker films like Solo, R1, Empire and TLJ because they had a bit more for her to think about.
Personally I really loved this take on Star Wars, and the more I hear people complain about it, the more I realize why they are hypocrites.
@Drewdles the Noodle gorge Lucas publicly apologised for it
Slightly Irritated Video Game Geek That was because OT and prequels weren't SJW movies, full of their crap agenda... Not SW.
Did it? Because most people I know seem to think it's just ok.
My parents liked TLJ. They are oldschool Star Wars fans - saw ANH in 1977 and have been following the series since its very beginning.
And yes, they liked TLJ.
I loved it and I too started watching these movies with The Empire Strikes Back at 13 yrs old
Yep, another old timer here, saw ANH in cinemas at age 7 on first release, loved TLJ, it's the only main sequence SW film so far to even begin to capture that freshness that ANH had on first watch.
I'm glad you said your parents like TLJ twice just to hammer in the point about you have parents.
A normal person: I’m glad you missed the entire point.
@@adamparker8137 I'm glad you missed the entire joke.
I still dont get how some has the audacity to discriminate other people just because they have a different opinion on this. Grow up!
It's been said a million times, but it's still true:
Nobody hates Star Wars more than Star Wars fans.
having an opinion doesn't make something good or bad
Oh please you fucks do it too, damn templars the lot of you
SmokeySmirks yeah and when us TLJ fans do it, it’s still shitty. We shouldn’t use ad hominem because we are in disagreement of a movie about space wizards. No one should be called stupid because they hated or liked a movie
@@ravenwhiteduck3158 alright then, catch me do it if you can
Im on the camp that doesnt discriminate, Im on the camp that just likes stuff and lets people enjoy stuff
And clearly I think you're on the war mongering camp that can't take it when people like stuff, so whatever
TLJ is my favorite Star Wars movie
I loved all three! But TRoS is my personal favorite.
@@DarkFoxKirin how can you even say that? Ep. 9 is just the total negation of ep. 8.
@@jameslove90 I really like TLJ, mostly for the throneroom fight scene and the beautiful contrasting scenery, but I like TRoS slightly more because of Kylo and Rey's bond, that tug of war scene, and the Bendemption arch at the end. (And the Reylo kiss.) :)
SAME!!! :)
SAME :)
"Okay, kill the Bach and roll that beautiful bean footage."
...yup, there's my thumbs-up.
And having watched all the way though: Holy _heck_ Mikey. How do you summarize the things I love about movies so well?
@13:37
It's kind of astonishing that people thought that fight was an example of Rey being too OP. Rylo wasn't trying to kill Rey, he just got blasted by something that threw a stormtrooper across the room, _and he was still winning._
Very late comment on this, but exactly my thoughts. Two very good reasons why he didn't wipe the floor with her like he did Finn were because A. Rey is a confirmed Force Sensitive, and B. He was likely suffering multiple fractured ribs and a considerable amount of internal injuries. He basically took a frag grenade to the gut, and he still kept coming. He was already gassed by the time Rey finally took her shot at him.
@@AviRox1154 Also Rey can fight with a melee weapon. Finn is a trained soldier but he is no hand-to-hand combat expert.
The fact that Kylo was injured, had yet to complete his training was extremely mentally conflicted at that time and was still coming out on top is more of a testament to how he is the overpowered one but Rey gets like one hit in so that suddenly changes all context apparently
@@Kaipyro67ALT But then Finn proceeds to take out phasma like 2 days later in hand to hand combat. Wtf
@@calixtolpz1245 He got the drop on her, if you remember correctly.
I liked the choices; the series needs to change things up. Force awakens was too much like a check list .
I loved the Force Awakens and was fine with the few recycled plot elements. It was the first one without George there so I could understand why they would want to play it a bit safe. It felt like a traditional Star Wars movie which is exactly what they needed to assure people they could do. Last Jedi I definetly wanted things to be shaken up and they were. Rian Johnson took risks and tried things that I greatly approve of. Rey being nobody special for instance seperates her from Luke and allows her to be her own character with her own strengths and flaws things that were very present in Force Awakens.
With JJ were likely to get a more traditional Star Wars again and I'm fine with that, but even knowing that the Last Jedi left things in such a way that it is literally impossible for him to recycle old plot points. Adding to that is that his co writer for Rise of skywalker is completely fresh to i. t
Watching this after Rise of Skywalker makes me very sad.
I think you missed the thematic link between Anakin and Rey (around 12:30). I like the idea that Rey has a villain's backstory and for that I'll be forever grateful for bringing that link to me, but you handwaved Anakin's turn to the simplest vague promise of saving Padme when I think it goes much deeper than that. Anakin being a slave and Rey being an orphan (on desert planets) has a lot to connect those two together. Anakin didn't just turn because of saving Padme, it started with being a slave and then losing his mom and then rejection by the jedi, and then saving Padme. We're only at the comparable part of rejection by the jedi for Rey.
Thank you for saying this, it was bothering me the entire video.
Michael Cann - definitely.
I grew up on SWs, and came out of the theater from chapter VIII with my dad who raised me on them. And we were both giddy and immediately placed it in our list between chapter V and IV.
I was very surprised when all the hate started coming out. Huh?
Why did you like it?
Because it's amazing? Obviously?
I go back to this video every once in a while - when I need to pull out a link to the best break down of this movie available on the interwebs. And I watch it all the way through and each time it makes me appreciate TLJ even more.
This is seriously one of the best movie critique/essay videos ever done. Mikey had done many excellent ones, but this is top gear
the Last Jedi isn’t perfect, but I absolutely love that movie
Even the casino Planet detour?
@@kommissar.murphy I liked it, it reminded me of SWTOR for some reason
@@MingerHarrier honestly i like this whole movie because it reminds of Kotor 2 so i get that
@@jc_3679 The casino scene was some of the best shit in the entire movie, the people who dislike it are absolutely dillusional. Honestly I feel like they all listened to some right wing looser complain about Rose Tikko not being hot enough for five hours and came out feeling like there is something substantially wrong with the film. I can't wait for when in twenty years the fandom collectively realises 'Oh yeah TLJ was actually really good, how' d we miss that?'
@@jc_3679 Ugh but it adds so much to the story. It adds the theme and the heart it shows what it is they are fighting for, who their enemies really are, it's absolutely vital. I don't understand how people think it's unnecessary. How little media literacy do people actually have?
The only thing I would add to what you have to say is on the subject of moral greyness and rey, I think it's important that when offered by Kylo to burn everything to the ground, she says no. She recognizes that lionizing the past is bad, but burning it down isn't right either. She sees you need to learn from the past without wearing rose-tinted lenses so you can build a better future. She doesn't fall into the 'burn it to hell' nihilism of Kylo. She fights for what she loves (and also doesn't become a space fascist which I think is kind of important). She has every reason in that moment to say 'fuck it, sure pasty white boy let's burn this shit down' but she doesn't. Because complicated and angry and tempted by darkness as she is, Rey still ultimately cares about the world (galaxy I guess), even if the world has literally never for a second cared about her. She joins her friends at the end and says 'let's do what the previous generation never could. Let's rebel not to restore some old-age status quo that will just fall into darkness again, but to create something new, and better.' Kylo doesn't care about that. Kylo is just lashing out in anger. Sure, there is good in him, but he is motivated by an misplaced anger without actually doing it 'for' anything but himself. Idk if I'm making sense but I did absolutely love this movie, but I do think it's important that while they come close together, Rey still chooses not to fall into darkness completely, and Kylo still does, even if it's a darker light for rey and a lighter dark for Kylo. He's still a space fascist. She's still fighting for the people she loves. She's seen the horrors of this world and she wants to make things better so nobody else has to. I'm rambling now so I'll stop but anyway Last Jedi is the best star wars film don't @ me
Of course she doesn't, she isn't allowed to make mistakes. That goes against her perfection. She never falls to temptation, she never fails and she always comes out on top. Truly a character to which one can relate. Oh wait....
She literally spends the entire first like, two thirds of the movie fucking up, like, consistently, and giving into her temptations of the dark side almost willfully. Did you actually watch the film?
Never once is that indicated in the film that that was a bad thing for her to do. Just that it was her way of discovering that it didn't hold what she wanted. In fact the film spends the entire time trying to convince us that the binary of light and dark is the problem to begin with, it gives her a scapegoat for choosing to seek out the darkness. At what point did she actually make an error and suffer for it? I watched the movie twice and still can't remember a time she suffered. Maybe a little disappointment in what Luke had become, but worry not she made the noble choice to leave him and fight for the rebels.
She spends the whole movie up until the end of the throne room fight letting herself be pulled closer and closer to the dark side, and nothing lies there but disappointment, consistently. Going down in the dark side hole leaves her with nothing but loneliness. The pull of Kylo towards the dark (and her attempts to pull him back) leave her disappointed as he affirms who he is (a space nazi) and destroys her conception of who she desperately wanted to be. Like the film is a lot of very wonderful things, but it is by no means subtle. Like she consistently makes bad choices and pays for them, up until the point that she finally chooses right, in the most important moment in the film, where she responds to Kylo's deconstruction of her by self-actualizing, and affirming who she is. She's not a hero because she's someone's kid, she's a hero because she gives a shit about making the world a better place. She wants to, ahem 'not kill the one's she hates, but save the one's she loves' (it's a cheesy, unsubtle line, but it perfectly encapsulates the film, and it's so star wars, a wonderful, spectacular, cheesy, unsubtle series of fantastic movies). Rey has never been perfect. She's impulsive, tempermental, stubborn, idealistic often to a fault, occasionally naive, she spends the majority of her life up until this point lying to herself about her parents to cope with the trauma of being abandoned. On a more concrete, star-wars-y level, she is constantly being pulled by the dark side and generally she doesn't resist that pull too hard until she sees the disappointing lack of answers the dark side represents for what they are, but she had to make the mistake of going there (like Luke in empire in the cave and going to cloud city) to learn that. The idea that she's somehow perfect for being powerful and being able to swing a glowing stick around after spending her whole life having to fend for and defend herself, is at best misunderstanding the films as they are presented and at worst willfully misinterpreting them.
If she is constantly being pulled to the dark side, and never once acts in a manner fitting someone who uses the dark side, does that mean anything? If she is tempted by the dark side up until the throne room, why does she leave the island with the goal of turning Kylo to the light? Snoke makes the connection, but doesn't manipulate the way she feels about Kylo.
You say, "she consistently makes bad choices and pays for them, up until the point that she finally chooses right...", but how does she pay for them? Maybe I missed something, but on the island she 1) gets a modicum of training from Luke, 2) a monologue about how the Jedi were failures, 3) trains herself with a lightsaber (which given her abilities with a staff I'm actually fine with), 4) Talks to Kylo through Snoke's force conduit, 5) discovers the dark side holds no answers for her and 6) dominates Luke in a fight and chastises him for his selfishness.
Did I miss anything? Can her being self deluded about her parents really be called a mistake given how things seemingly went down on Jakku? How is that her fault? I am still looking for a concrete way to relate to her character. Its fine if people like her, but I don't identify with her at all. All I can do is sympathize with her origin story, but can I relate to it? No. Every challenging situation she is put in, she always seems to get herself out of, the only exception being the throne room, where she actually performs better against the guard than Kylo.
I am open to being convinced her value as a character, my evidence that I decided to even watch this video. But, alas, I've seen far too many excellent and point by point critiques of the her character and the film in general to really think either of them very good. I would be open to hearing specific example of how decisions SHE has made have negatively affected others or her character.
"They won't do this, I'm illustrating a point"
Haha ha ha. ha...haa
-sigh-
well, to his credit, they didn't. they did something FAR worse. lol
Making her a solo would have been stupid and terrible, but making her a palpatine just to have an excuse to bring back the emperor was just.... I still can't believe we live in a universe where someone was *paid* to have an idea that bad.
This movie is so vibrant and passionate, it goes and does new stuff, it’s creative and interesting, it messes up a lot but it’s one of those things that actually feel large to me, that leaves me differently every time. Star Wars doesn’t deserve a sequel like this and will probably never get one like it again. It’s such a confusing, wonderful thing that I don’t think anyone can fully get their mind around
I have to agree. When I first saw the Last Jedi in the theater, I left feeling like I had seen the best movie in the whole series, and the future of Star Wars felt so bright and unpredictable. Subsequent viewings have dampened my opinion of it, but I was so glad it did something so daring and different.
YOOOOOO, you millennial kids with your non- binary jedi identities, get off my lawn!! you, sir, have a beautiful way with words.
I'm SO glad someone finally put this all into such precise words. Your experience and observations were identical to my own. And well made film dude, keep at er.
Identical... really....
Sigh
There were a lot of fancy words in it, but zero reasons why the movie wasn't bad
Its a terrible movie.
@@TheJrade what does he have a write a freaking novel to explain his love of a film?
I think I've watched this one four or five times by now. I'M STILL WITH YA.
Aaron J. Shay same
Prediction: In time this will become one of the most retroactively revered and celebrated instalments of the franchise.
Then they ruined all of this in The Rise of Skywalker
Do like me, just don't consider TROS canon.
TRoS is so offensive to everything, that my brain doesn't even consider that cannon anymore
Nah, they didn't. It was a waste of potential, but tlj still there and still great to me. The rey palpatine stuff was the worst, i really agree if you think that ruined a lot of tlj. But like i Said, the main problem is that they wasted a lot of potencia
@@buriedstpatrick2294 I don't know. I mean Rise of Skywalker is just objectively a horrible movie, and not because it was so antagonistic to Last Jedi, which I love. It's because that movie was just a series of fetch quests. It was more a Legend of Zelda game than it was a movie. However, I think it would be way too easy for Star Wars fans to individually strike TROS from canon, just because I personally find it impossible to separate that movie from the cultural moment that birthed it. That that movie even got made is so depressing. People point to Star Wars as the genesis moment of "Fan Culture" in movies and TV. And I can't see TROS as anything but the Fan Culture Supernova event. It's the culmination of a 9-movie, 40+-year saga. And it was made as a direct reaction to Internet trolling. It's a terrible movie, made so much worse by the cultural moment that birthed it. And I can't just forget about that.
This is insanely good. Thank you for making it!
Nice to see you here
Did you just jump to conclusion?!
Why "disgustingly"?
A surprise to be sure, but a welcome one.
YES. Hope.
I've been a star wars fan since empire as I was like 3 when it came out. Having said that, I thoroughly enjoyed Last Jedi. It finally had the cinematic balls to take the franchise in a completely new and unexpected direction. Great video, thanks for summarizing how people who get it saw this movie.
Totally agree. And I'm even older... "Time for Star Wars to grow up" 👍
what do you mean balls? What did it do new that required balls?
@Michael Hewitt-Clarke there where just 2 scenes that looked like empire and now you are saying that is it looks like empire
@Michael Hewitt-Clarke you mean developing plot and characters and taking different approaches something the og trilogy doesnt
@Michael Hewitt-Clarke if it looked like Empire strikes back, why didn't Vader kill Sidious in that film. Also, we still don't know Rey's heritage, we knew luke's when Empire Strikes Back ends. Finn woke up in Last Jedi, Han Solo was frozen in Empire Strikes back.
What’s great about the last Jedi is that ends with such a wide spectrum. It also closes a lot of storyline’s to. So if you aren’t a big fan of TROS like me. Then the last Jedi is actually a good conclusion to the saga. It’s up to you to decide how the saga should end.
This review really subverted my expectations
You are just so damn good at this! I love your style. And to apply that here.. I'm so thankful. I walked out of the theatre loving this movie. I had issues. But I loved it. I've watched this internet hate. You brought up every defense I had and SO MANY new ones.
It’s definitely refreshing seeing someone truly appreciate the strengths of this movie. I grew up with a dad who hated an actor from the OG films so we never watched it as he said they were boring so I adopted that attitude towards the franchise. I gave in and watched all the movies a few months ago for the first time and I’m obsessed! I’m so glad I watched the sequels without knowing a hint of criticism beforehand because it allowed me to love those movies without the disappointment of long time fans. I got to enjoy the subtext and the vision for what is was. I get what people say but I hope the execs at Disney take the good and the bad into the future of the franchise :)
Absolutely fantastic review! Especially love the end part where everything is backwards
There are still lots of parts in this movie that I don't like, but one where I'm changing my mind is how she's so powerful because she had to learn to raise herself from a young age. I think you're right.
Related to that, when it came to your point about her seeing herself in the mirror because she has been her own parent I think you're spot on there as well. When I saw the movie the first time that was my favorite part even if I didn't understand it, but now I think I do.
Overall I think there's a lot of great stuff in this movie...I just wish the script had gone through a couple more drafts since it could have been one of the best movies ever.
This "Fresco painting of a movie" (love that) reintroduced me to the SW universe which I hadn't visited since I was 9 and saw RoTJ. RoTJ is also the only SW film I ever saw in a theater as I watched ANH and TESB on VCR (after seeing RoTJ) and didn't even bother seeing the prequel films. When I watched this film (on Blu ray now...my how times have changed) I fell in love again, went looking for TFA and then figured I really needed to watch the prequels too. I credit this film therefore with reigniting my passion for that Galaxy Far, Far Away and cannot wait to see only my second ever SW film in a theater when TRoS is released in December. Thank you for sharing your thoughts on this very special - and yes divisive - film. I thoroughly enjoyed it ✌😁
Maureec Ngawaka-Nathan Welcome back to the Rebellion.
You're kidding? TLJ brought you back to Star Wars?
That is fantastic news!
I'm soooo curious about your feeling upon the new one. I've also loved TLJ, and I "hate" RoS. I wish I'd never seen it.
@@jameslove90 I had similar feelings. But upon serious reflection, I have come to accept, like and now love the movie. A lot of the problems I had were actually set up. I missed the hidden clues, it was on me. I honestly suggest you give it another viewing, if your feelings don't change, come back here and ask me how I rationalise my current feelings on the movie.
Ouch. And then TROS buttfucked us all.
Didn’t think I could apprieciate this movie even more. You took me from ”really liking it” to ”loving it”.
Thanks man! :)
"We are finite creatures. And that is full circle. Everyone wishes they could rewind the clock, to fix the problems that we caused ourselves..." Unquote, (18:40). Very true, very wise words!
I feel like the problems with these SW films is the fan service. So many characters appear because fans expect them to that it dilutes the real story. They didn't really need Han Solo, Princess Leia or the other old minor characters. I love Rey and Kylo Ren and more screen time for those characters the better. At the end of the day, what will destroy Star Wars is its fans.
This clarity just happened to me last night. I fucking LOVE it now.
"Yooooo, you millennial kids with your non-binary jedi identities!!!!! Get off my lawn!!!!!" I am already sold on this xD
I’m here because of cinemawins. I like your videos, subscribed. This one was very well done.
JFC!! Well said!!!!
The issue with the sequels was not Rian, it was JJ.
@Lungs McBreathy Whatever fanboy.
They both fucked up royally. And Rian Johnson did the absolute worst. TLJ is easily one of the worst movies i've ever seen with this kind of budget backing it up. It is FILLED to the brim with plot holes, and the quality of the writing is OBJECTIVELY terrible.
I still haven't watched this movie despite having watched so many reviews of it. I grew up with Star Wars opening my childhood eyes to space and spaceships and I remember squealing with delight the first time I saw Darth Vader appear.
People hate the prequels but I love each and every one. Why? Because someone, Lucas specifically took time to craft these things. He built this universe and he experimented and did new things, screwed up a few things but made a GLORIOUS film.
NOBODY who grew up with these movies can tell me a damn thing about none of these movies moving you in ANY way somehow when you saw them for the first time. We can critique them NOW because we have a gift of hindsight, an expanded universe to read on and so many things pre and post Internet that fans and artists have curated, added to, taken and rebuilt to where we have a story universe where you can spend days, weeks and months just sucked in and enjoying every tidbit and fact you can find.
I was afraid of these movies past the Episode series because of how many shifts and changes and other polarizing opinions they held and on purpose, I had to STOP reading because everyone kept telling me how goddamn awful they were and how much I would hate them. And that stopped me from going to the theater to see them. I was afraid to have my childlike love of Star Ward and the series and cartoons, good and bad, broken or injured by this New Age Era Storytelling.
But here's Mikey again, convincing me in his comforting voice to go...enjoy...something.
Go watch and rewatcha few times. Every takeaway will give you something else. Stop expecting a movie to never change your opinion, much less to let go of the Skywalkers and their era. It's time to evolve the series, new protags and all.
Thank you Mikey. Seriously. I love your work so much. Your passion and unabashed love for things, good bad or ugly in anyone else's eyes is a relief from the constant negativity and shitting on everything that I feel holds us underwater at some point.
I needed this video. I love discussing TLJ with people but it's become so tiring to constantly justify yourself every time you say you enjoyed it. I watched TLJ for the third time recently and it's still one of my favourite Star Wars movies. Good to know I'm not the only one who genuinely enjoyed it.
one thing i've learned about defending TLJ is that star wars fans CANNOT stomach mature themes. the majority of star wars fans want a masturbatory black and white useless shallow piece of shit. TLJ either flew over their heads or they considered the concept of morality and it made their thinky bits hurt bad.
@@fullmetajacket2090 You act like this and are probably confused why people disagree with you and don't respect your opinion. You don't need to call people retards(as you are yourself), just because a person doesn't like a movie.
@@fullmetajacket2090 alright pal you're superior we get it stop with the spunk flying everywhere
I love that Hollywood are finally giving us films that we have to think about. Not just Star Wars, more studios are taking chances with films. However I will be happy when the craze for rebooting nostalgia ends and do we REALLY need quite so make comic book movies? (saying that Spider Man: Into the Spider verse was a great movie and beautifully made.)
I'm really looking forward to episode 9 and beyond.
@@teachugger8552 While you are right to call them out, just look around the internet at the TLJ haters calling anyone who likes it an idiot. Hopefully you are pointing out the same to them
Perfectly nailed the one thing TLJ needed to do, despite all the things other people put on their list: it needed to give Star Wars somewhere to go, and not just be Skywalker Adventures Part XXXV.
Stephen Schaefer where is it going to go. This is supposed to be the two towers, the middle movie. It is supposed to set us up for the endgame of the series. There is no resistance, the first order (inexplicably powerful after the end of the force awakens) in shambles again, no support for the 'good guys' from anyone. Characters that were set up in the first movie that were set up to be foils or challenges to main characters were thrown away or turned into weak punching bags. Rey continues to Mary sue her way through every encounter except Snoke, but her husbando offs him with no trouble, after he changes his goals with a no real explanation, other than that she is his waifu apparently. A second weird not relationship to go along with the Fin and Rose debacle. The whole movie reeked of style over substance, where star wars has always had at least a veneer of function over form. (Why does white salt cover red salt, because Hoth, and the battlefield looks bloody as they drag Grond up to the gates.)
Sorry, got a little ranty there.
But seriously, where can they go?
Who will they fight, and why should we bother to care when there is no one worth caring about to watch?
(Edit for some clarification)
jon simpson The fact that you only seem to find it "worth caring" if there is a Skywalker or a Solo fighting Darth Evil, is exactly the reason Star Wars needed to be brought to a place where it could tell other stories.
The movie didn't take away direction, it only took away the expectation that this movie or any after it would just go down the list and check all the boxes. Rey and Kylo were set on arcs that, by the end of the movie, had them taking actions for their own reasons and not as puppets for some grand design. Kylo's dialogue is not exactly subtle about this, nor the fact that he shattered his helmet in the first act of the film.
Star wars has told other stories. With characters that had different names. The old expanded universe, and Rogue one. I enjoyed Rogue one, it had it's problems but Jin was a reasonably good character, and Cassian had some really good moments. It brought a darker side to the resistance and showed in more detail why they were willing to go as far as they did.
I think the prequels should have been about Obi wan and I have explanations but that is not this.
The Rey and Kylo arc had potential, the problem is they didn't develop it. You say they went on their own paths. The way I see it is as follows;
KYLO: Started the movie as the apprentice of Snoke, killed him, and took his place. (Weird sentence) the path that the sith are supposed to take, the path he told Rey he wanted to do away with.
Kylo smashing his helmet doesn't really make sense given Snoke's lack of reaction to it in the previous movie. Also, given Kylo's desire to be like Vader in the first movie, the act of smashing it makes sense with his new drive to kill the past, is in contrast with his wish to be like Vader, and makes no sense with his assuming of Snoke's mantle at the end.
REY: Started the movie with Luke
(HERO OF THE REBELLION), and ended the movie AS Luke (HERO OF THE RESISTANCE). After being shown by Luke the flaws in the light side of the force, and seeing for herself the danger of the dark side.
I really don't see how they are following their own drives and moving toward their own goals.
Please explain what direction you see for the 'final?' movie of the trilogy.
jon simpson Kylo and Rey are in the same positions in the larger sense of things but as I said before, they are doing these things for their own reasons. Kylo let go of his obsession with legacy, with Darth Vader, and with Sith destiny. Rey acknowledged that she didn't come from Skywalkers or Kenobis, that she wasn't going to be trained as part of the Jedi Order by the wise sage Luke, and that there's no Greater Destiny that determines her purpose. She did not rise up as the protege of Luke preserving the Order. She rose up as someone who wanted to save her friends.
Star Wars has told ten stories on film. Three are on Vader, three on Luke the son of Vader, one on getting the Death Star plans for the movie above, and one on Han before the rebellion. TFA was about Leia's son killing Han while everyone is searching for... Luke.
TLJ cleared the board. No more Luke. No more Jedi Order versus Darth Evil. The scrappy rebellion lost their fight against the mighty space fleet of doom. They're going to have to talk about Finn and Rey and Poe and Kylo as they are now, and not about how they're connected to movies from 30 years ago. And after that they're going to have to talk about someone other than the Skywalkers. TLJ set them free from all that. It's time to let the old things die. The Jedi Order must end. Look at the tree. Look at the throne room. The past is literally burned to the ground.
To answer your question, I don't know what they're going to do in IX. And I REALLY don't know what Johnson is going to do with his other trilogy. AND THAT'S EXACTLY WHY I'M EXCITED FOR THE FUTURE OF STAR WARS.
Well I suppose that makes sense, from a certain point of view.
I still see too many breaks from the force awakens and the rest of the series without any explanation as to why. It bothered me in the force awakens as well.
Why is the first order so powerful after the first movie?
Why is the republic gone, did they only hold one system? Where is their fleet?
Why isn't there a multinational force coming after the first order for what they have done, their superweapon is gone?
Why is Rey so immediately skilled in all things Jedi?
Why is the resistance so wimpy?
Why is there no concequenses from the last movie? Fin is up from a spine cut a in week maybe? Totally fine. Po, responsible for blowing up the death planet, is shat on constantly. Why? Aren't you in a war?
(Actually the whole Po situation is borderline un-forgivable to me)
Star wars has always had fairly big gaps in time between movies, in universe. And the text crawl allowed them to bring you up to date on what happened between. This has alway felt a bit like a montage, for training or even plot. A quick dump of exposition so we can get into the story for the movie. They barely used it in TLJ.
Dayum you're great at this! We love you.
"Dynasties don't matter"
JJ: hold my Palpatine
One of the best videos I’ve ever seen. Your essay writing is beyond exemplary. Seriously man, be proud of yourself.