I could care less about speed. Give me the Lexus any day for ride, comfort, reliability, resale value. You don't buy a Lexus for cutting edge tech, but for that solid build and supreme comfort.
No doubt one of the best luxury sedans in the world. So many older LS still on the road today. I had many. All of them are still running today. Amazing
Lexus build quality 👌🏾 - and it’s amazing how so many other brands miss that all important factor. I mean, if I was spending big bucks, reliability is THE number one factor, which puts Lexus ahead of every other manufacturer.
@My Ovaries Are A Felon Factory cap. I look at a person who has a 200,000 mile Lexus LS and in the time he owned it; his only major problem is he had to replace the airbags which is a common problem in any car with airbags and the rest has been completely reliable. Y'all come up on here speaking out your ass
It may be dated in terms of tech, but it provides the luxury of knowing it's gonna last forever. I have a 2010 LS and it still drives like a brand new car. I dont think german competition is able to do that
I’ve seen and driven a lot of very well maintained older German cars that drove amazing. The thing is, the owners of those cars were all financially well off and didn’t care about continuously putting more money into them. Anytime something needed done they took care of it no matter how expensive it was. The issue with German cars is maintenance is expensive for them in the US, so a lot of people neglect them. If you take good care of them though, German cars will last a very long time.
German cars suck... have major problems 2 yrs after purchase... always... benz and range rover are shitty as a public restroom.. major problems too often... lexus allows u to only need oil changes
The Lexus LS has never been a favorite of younger drivers because 1 most can’t afford it 2 I don’t think it’s meant to appeal to young drivers because it’s not a sports car. These cars have tremendous appeal to the 50,60,70 year olds who want an attractive, quiet, dependable, built to last forever, stately looking,high resale value ,and top notch customer service and we know that the Lexus LS has been and still remains that car.
I loved my 2008 LS460 and drove it 7 years and 100K trouble-free miles. My wife is on her second ES-350, a 2016 model we upgraded to for the safety tech. I bought my current 2015 Mercedes S550 in early 2017 (19K mi) for $80K ($116K sticker) instead of a new LS500. Incredible ride, beautiful interior, and top level luxury in this car, but at a price. I have 74K miles now, and this car is indeed expensive to maintain, but my wife loves it and we have taken many long trips in absolute luxury.
So you must be able to afford it, because cost of ownership outside of warranty is high. I will seriously look at the 2021 and newer LS500 before I buy a replacement S-class, but that is a very high hurdle.
Lexus IS the only true Japanese luxury brand because the LS sedan, LX full size SUV and the sexy LC Coupe & LC convertible. Acura & Infinity now are just Premium brands that set them apart from Honda & Nissan respectively but they are no longer luxury brands like Mercedes Benz, BMW, Audi and Lexus. Kudos to Lexus for keeping up with the game and now I only think Lexus when it comes to luxury brands .
That aspect is officially over. I know Toyota and Lexus makes reliable vehicles no arguing that. But unfortunately with them now going turbo their long term reliability reputation will tank. Simply adding a Toyota or Lexus logo to a turbo engine or even a bmw engine doesn’t automatically increase reliability and decrease mechanical complexity
That's kinda sad considering they used to do a lot of things so well. Reliability is not the end all of luxury car ownership and it isn't working for Lexus anymore in all segments. The GS was reliable, but old and uncompetitive, thus being cancelled. The LS doesn't sell anywhere near what it used to because it just doesn't move the needle anymore, with the German cars killing it outside of reliability. Lexus needs more modern features, engines and infotainment in their sedans. What you're not getting is that is a road test/evaluation, not a long term reliability test.
@@naveenthemachine I hope you are wrong but I fear the worst. If any manufacturer can make a reliable turbo engine it would be Toyota. I know the NX turbo engine has been doing great for Lexus.
You don't buy a luxury car for its "reliability". As much as i LOVE toyota and lexus ( lifelong fan and only drive them), I have to agree that when you are in a luxury market, making your main selling point "it's reliable" is not gonna cut it.
I hope you are right because I am a Lexus fan myself but I am worried about the reliability of this engine. The Toyota V8 engines are bullet proof! There has been some reports that this generation is the least reliable Lexus. 🙄
The turbo v6 won’t be as reliable long term like the old v8 lexuses used to be. Simply adding a Toyota or Lexus logo to a turbo engine even if they make it, doesn’t automatically increase reliability and decrease mechanical complexity.
You know what will attract those buyers?? The 23 speaker surround sound!!! I just bought it. Its being delivered in 7 days. Im done with mercedes and the problems/maintenance. Like you said this car is gorgeous and BULLETPROOF and RELIABLE! Thats all I need now.
I am a Lexus fan but they are falling behind Mercedes and BMW. I don't care what anyone says. LS needs a V8. It is their freaking flagship sedan ! I don't care if its twin turbo yada yada yada. Your flagship sedan has to have a V8.
Both the LS and the Germans will last a long time when properly maintained. The difference is the cost is significantly higher in the German brands since they stay at or ahead of the technological curve vs the Japanese way of tried and true. For this reason LS owners tend to keep their cars for longer since there's typically nothing of significance wrong with the vehicle whereas there's a lot more likely to break or malfunction among the Germans that no one wants (rich or not) especially after the factory warranty runs out.
They could give this Motor and Transmission on the IS 350 (Replacing the outdated 3.5L NA with 6-Speed) and call it a day. Or atleast a detuned version making about 350hp and trqs. So it can atleast compare to the M340i, C43, S4
The tech in the LS 500 is lagging behind its rivals, but who can seriously blame a car brand for including a free CD player? It´s still the best source for audio. Sure, Apple Car Play and Android Auto are more practical, but Compact Disc still smokes compressed digital files in terms of fidelity.
PERIOD! The guy on video is drag Drama queen on pinky wheels which means he or she don't understand nothing about car's , only copy cat parroting looking 4 attention.
i mean sure, but the vast majority of people are not using CDs, the world has moved on. there's a reason lexus is the only brand still putting a CD player right in the main area of their center console...
He is just too influenced by the German brands and the speedy teslas . They keep complaining about CD as if it a bad thing, some of us love haveing a CD player
You can play blue ray DVD’s on the CD player when when car is parked. Perfect for when I’m waiting at the mall for my wife. Love that Lexus kept that feature.
Sofyan, why does it bother you that a company offers a CD player? CDs sound better than compressed music. That's why some companies offer it. We audiophiles appreciate the difference, and we are grateful for its availability.
That’s true. But on the other hand, why does a cheaper Toyota Tundra offer a 12.3 inch full lcd instrument cluster while a 100K Lexus LS that’s less spacious lacks it?
Why do some people complain when there are CD players in cars, I mean if it wasn't there, its just gonna be a blank space, so why not put something there
@@marshallkelin1716 me too sadly I want to love this LS but I can’t. I personally love the LS460 and LS600hL. The short wheelbase LS460 has more rear legroom than the long wheelbase LS500 lol
Cds have been obsolete for a decade solid. Streaking services are easier, less cumbersome, and allow you to seamlessly discover far more than you ever would otherwise.
Not every car needs two massive screens IMO. It's a fad and needs to not be promoted unless it's extremely well done and not just a slab for the sake of it
Love the LS interior, unlike tactile buttons and knobs which require only muscle memory. The “modern” and “minimalist” interiors with the 16” display require the driver to take their eyes off the road just to access the glove compartment.
I dont think Lexus is marketing these cars to the young crowd. They are marketing a car like this to middle-age business-class buyers, and there's nothing wrong with that. They've never been known for tech innovation, but people buy them for superior quality and reliability.
Good review on the car and one I'd have (money no object) over the German rivals. Today's buyers on cars sometimes miss the plot. For a car like Lexus, you buy it for reliability, durability, build quality, and luxury over performance and technology. IMHO I don't think you can have all those in a car. The German manufacturers tried it relentlessly and the servicing costs and quality complaints about computer and software issues I hear from friends and family owning various marks over the years tells me that overcomplicating cars and cramming it with too much tech just doesn't work because it makes servicing more complex and more expensive to accomplish.
Lexus and toyota are not known for tech.... they just know how to get the job done with minimum fuss. If people want to tech go to Hyundai or genesis, but they cut corners on mechanical aspect of it which is a deal breaker for me.
I like what they're doing with this. Somehow the luxury market began turning toward more screens, colored lights, drive modes, and breakneck speed. The LS could use some updates, but this is the kind of luxury car I'd buy and keep, whereas the competition I wouldn't want to be stuck with outside of a lease and warranty. I love tech, but you don't get reliability by changing stuff all the time. If money were no object, of course I'd want the S-Class over this, but it's arguably in a different class with a starting price 30% more than than a base LS. This is where Genesis can really make an impact with people that aren't buying a badge; looking at the $74,000 G90 with much better tech, more modern looks, seemingly similar quality, and an optional V8.
Call you kia Hyundai snd dealer and ask how many brand new cars they huge due for new engine replacements and how many of they’re cars have caught fire. Stop listening to TH-cam
The CD player speaks to the average owner of these cars. Old people might still have a collection of CDs that they'd like to use in their car, so I don't necessarily think it was a bad decision to include a CD player.
I think Toyota will eventually move towards fwd platforms only. But on the plus side fwd platforms are more practical inside with more space and lower cost. Plus better efficiency too. I honestly can’t think of a RWD based Toyota that outsells their fwd counterparts
newsflash junior, mercedes clients are not loyal at all, actually many ex MB owners (like myself) are now devoted Lexus fans. True opinion without any sponsors (like you). Lexus number one!
The ES is nowhere near as big. Have you ever seen an LS in person? They’re long as hell. I have an ES and yes it is long but nowhere near as long as the LS.
I just purchased a 2013 LS460 Fsport last summer of '23. 10 years of depreciation, I bought it for 30k. MSRP was 82k! This has always been one of my dream cars to own, and I am glad and proud to own one now. Last of their V8s.
What's with the Japanese falling behind on high tech electronics? They use to be the go to for consumer electronics like the Sony Walkman, now it's iPhones. Toyotas maybe reliable, but up-to-date electronics would be nice on a top model luxury car.
i don't agree that the driver's screen is too small. Size isn't everything and I think they were going for a certain look and I like that it's simple, straightforward and as Joe Friday used to say, "Just the facts, ma'am."
Thanks god we have toyota that persist on doing what they want instead of just following the crowd. OP is always going to have complains toyota because toyota is not like others they not out to wow anybody they out to do what works.
Yeah but if you compare this gauge cluster to some high end Toyotas like a top end Highlander or venza or Camry or Avalon, you’ll see the Toyota gauge cluster feels a lot bigger
1.) I have to agree with AMD when he says journalists ruin cars 2.) Who tf cares about the size of the instrument cluster or wireless carplay/auto - you're driving a car not playing an xbox 3.) Saying the LS is the least reliable of Lexus is like saying that the Bentley Bentayga is the cheapest Bentley - it may be the least reliable Lexus but it's still one of the most reliable cars on the road 4.) I am starting to wonder why I watch these journalists review Lexus/Toyotas because they really have no clue what to do when they actually get cars that people from all socioeconomic statuses want 5.) I watched every video on the ES250 AWD by auto journalists and had the lowest expectations because of them but then when I actually drove one and subsequently bought one I realized it was the best automotive purchase I could have ever made - and I've owned GX460's, LS's, S-Classes, E-Classes, BMW's, Audi's, and Porsche's ... it's almost like you can hear the contempt in automotive journalists voices when they have to say something positive about Toyotas or Lexuses 6.) CD's are still heavily used by clients in the market for a Lexus - i.e. people with brains and educations who place an emphasis on value, long term usage and not having ads because they use bluetooth audio on youtube LASTLY - WHO TF CARES ABOUT GRAPHICS OR TECHNOLOGY!! TECHNOLOGY DOES NOT EQUAL LUXURY .. tf
“ I’m definitely getting the feeling that I’m driving a car that’s more fancy than any Camry or any Avalon” what ? “ Younger buyers this… younger buyer that” This is a perfect example of how car reviewer‘s ruin some vehicles because of their terrible understanding. He’s constantly comparing this to the brand new S class this car is not all new how do you expected to compete with a brand new vehicle ? Why are you constantly bringing up younger buyers and speaking on behalf of young people not all young people want the same thing. I I’m a young buyer and I appreciate this car just as much as I appreciate a BMW M3. The amount of nagging and nitpicking in this review is very skeptical. He skipped over any good qualities of this vehicle and if he did mention any good qualities he talked about it for less than one second. He clearly thinks all young people want the same thing. Also newsflash the S class is also a old person car all cars in the segment were made for mature older people with money the S class is no different. I could’ve done a better review.
Bruh. I'm a "Younger buyer" and I'd rather a land yacht with a 7 second 0-60 that gets me to work smoothly every day. The car market is close to crap at this point because reviewers wanting everything "sporty" (aka. break your spine driving or walk to work)
The current LS is a study in compromises, something you don't want in your flagship "I've arrived" luxury sedan purchase. It likes to remind you that there are better luxury sedans out there. They may not be better built, but they are better luxury cars.
I honestly think even some mainstream Toyotas these days beat Lexus at their own game. They offer modern and better tech and new drivetrains and updated AWD systems
@@naveenthemachine Definitely! The new technology in the Toyota’s is much newer than this. The only thing this LS has that the Toyota’s don’t have is better materials inside.
@@naveenthemachine if you think Toyota vehicles beat Lexus you’re sadly mistaken Lexus Is undergoing heavy product re-planning and a bunch of all models are coming to not be so quick to jump the gun
Honestly I find this interior better as an owner. I'm not a fan tech gimmicks being crammed into a car unnecessarily. So many of them could break. I'd much rather the LS if it means I don't have to pay tons to service the car regularly.
I have owned 17 new and 3 used cars in my life, going back to a 1963 Ford Fairlane (the only one I drove more than 100K miles). The low point was a Ford Pinto. The best by far was a Lexus LS430. I never cared what that car's 0-to-60 time was. I could afford and have always embraced technological progress, which is why I never kept even the best Lexus for too long. During my childhood, heaters and arm rests were optional equipment. Nowadays, we criticize a car whose ambient lighting color can't be changed? Eye roll.
@marks90004 ikr? The gauge cluster in my Camry XSE feels bigger than the one in the LS or even the new NX Toyota has a better infotainment (despite being a tad dated) but it’s much much easier to use. And it has CarPlay and android auto Not to mention that the new tundra especially is available with a 12.3in full lcd instrument cluster and a twin turbo v6 hybrid and a 14inch touchscreen. Not even a 100K Lexus offers that. And even the 2022 LX600 will offer that
Eh.. as a “younger” buyer I would buy the LC500 or the IS500 over this if I had the choice. But I can definitely see my dad who’s in his 60s go for this type of car.
I love the LC500 but the storage space is abysmal. Taking your significant other on a weekend trip is a no-go unless you pack crazy light. Went with the RCF
@Zero I have the money but I'm not buying my wife new clothes every time I go on a trip because she can't take an overnight bag. there's more room in a Porsche 911! 😝
@@DebianDog I have no idea why there's a backseat in that thing. Why not just take out the backseat and make the trunk bigger? I can get the argument for some inner rear storage, but a full backseat is ridiculous.
No way. Now that Toyota has gone turbo their long term reliability is over. Just adding a Toyota or lexus logo to a turbo or twin turbo engine doesn’t automatically increase reliability and decrease mechanical complexity
if you don't use CD some other people use it, stop putting your idealism on the review for me I hate ambient lighting that looks like a nightclub, look at rolls and Bentley they don't use a lot of ambient lightning because its annoying
Just returned my 2018 Mercedes S450 lease and picked up a 2021 Mercedes S580. Before I returned the lease I went and check out the Lexus LS500 but tbh at the price Lexus is asking it comes no where near MB if we're talking about Luxurious, ride quality, techs, infotainment, rear seat entertainment...etc. You can talk about reliability all day but I lease the MB so I could careless about it. Lexus needs to step it up with a total new design otherwise it will not get anyone attention at all. The price of the LS that the dealer is asking put it near the S500 but even when comparing to the S500 it's no where near. Like I said, you can talk all day about reliability but in my 3 years that I leased the MB S450 I never had a problem, only service every 5K miles and brake tire like normal. It's a shame that I see more audi A8, Bmw 7 series then I see the LS500. At least in my area I only saw the LS500 like 2-3 times
I like the fact that you hit them where it was needed 😄. You didn't forgive the shortcomings. I have an F sport and love it, but I agree with all your points, for me the dash of the non F sport model was the deal breaker. Great review as always!
Omg this guys is just complaining about Lexus, and comparing it with the not reliable competitors… I’d prefer to get old infotainment system with reliable car rather than a crazy informaient with high tech but reliability shit…
Loyal Lexus buyers could NOT care less what the S-class offers since the reliability of this product far outweighs anything Mercedes or any other German automaker is offering. Not to mention that the S-class is far more expensive. The LS has far more bang for the buck.
Jesus Christ, no one cares or wants a 14 -16 inch cockpit display. You can't see large portions of it through the steering wheel when they are that big, so what's the point? Just because Mercedes does it, doesnt mean that Lexus customers what it. This thing is 25 grand less than an equally equipped S-class. The buyers aren't the same.
People don't understand the whole point. Toyota/ Lexus makes small changes overtime thats the whole point which equals reliability. People wonder why BMW and Mercedes don't have the same reliability. 25 years from now that Lexus will be on the road and the others maybe. Lexus doesn't need to be like everyone else that's what makes them unique. I have owned two LS cars and they were the best cars I ever owned never a problem and a top notch service department. As a result, Mercedes and BMW would not be what they are today if Lexus had not entered the market and made them up there game. If you want a sport sedan then go buy one if you a supremely built car that will stand the test of time buy a Lexus. Younger please!! I'm younger and enjoy Lexus cars and what they stand for. As soon as Lexus starts building cars like the competition the same people will be complaining about that, but buy what you like.
Long in the tooth? It’s only its 4th year. I have a 2019 RWD, average 26 Mpg in city + hwy, and have gotten 31 MPG on hwy trips at 70-75 mph. Rides like I am on a cloud (after I replaced the stupid run flats) and I love the interior. I didn’t want an ipad to drive, tech gets outdated, and the touch pad is fine when you get used to it. BTW the reason it has a cd player is that smart phone music can’t make use of the sound system which is as good as any luxury car I have been in, including Mercedes S
Hey! I still use a CD in my car 🤣. Beautiful sedan! I like seeing the older folks in these. I know they’re safe. Too much tech isn’t good for the older folk. They’ll get flustered lol. If I saw someone young driving this, I’d think it’s their dads or grandmas car. 🤣
Toyota is like white bread, always playing things too safe, a day late and a dollar short. The exception being their ugly design language, they went way too far in the opposite direction of safe.
Great car, but definitely LOTS of misses. Lexus needs to address the technological shortcomings of this car. It doesn’t need to be Mercedes Benz levels of gimmicky, but they can definitely do more than what they did here. Overall, for $80,000, this is not the car I would pick. The S Class, for as expensive as it is, is just a better car.
Ah mate, you must have a lot of money. Asked anybody who's owned an S class for longer than 5 years how much they have to spend on repairs compared to LS owners.
@@lifeislikeabrokenpencil8796 I’m a huge Lexus fan, I’m just being honest though. Compared to the tech in an A8, 7 Series, or S Class, the LS is seriously lacking. There’s no doubt the Lexus will be more reliable. But that’s not enough in this class. Lexus tries to undercut the competition in price so they tend to purposely sandbag their vehicles. For the next LS, I would almost prefer to see a $90,000 starting price but a much better vehicle.
Goddamn this guy has the wrong fucking job he should stop what he’s doing today and start being some kind of auctioneer or book reader somewhere cause dude says a million words a minute.
I can't believe it: I wholly agree with Sofyan's review! LOL! I LOVE the design of the LS. It is so daring against the boring A8, the played out 7-Series, and the NOW anonymously-styled W223 S-Class(my 2017 S63 will likely be my last Benz). It is very unique. Unfortunately, as we've seen with Toyota's TNGA-platformed cars, the interior packaging is seriously lacking, particularly rear seat accommodations. Pop into any of the Big 3 Germans and they're downright cavernous by comparison, despite having the same 205-207" of length. What is most depressing about the LS is the lack of tech that is demanded on a $100K car. And please...spare me the reliability argument. The graphics, lack of wireless Carplay, no uplevel turbo V8(PLEASE drop the amazing 5.0 in it!) or more powerful V6, and just an overall feeling of lack compared to its German and Korean competitive set(yes, the G90 Ultimate is better buy than this) is a miss for this car. It is not good when a 2014 W222 S550 offers a greater luxury environment than a car that came out 4 years later.
Save your money on the German rivals, skip the new LS. As you and Sofyan said, its outdated big time. Got for the Genesis G90 instead, way cheaper than all of the competition and way, way more luxurious. Plus 10 year warranty is impossible to beat
The LS may be a bit underrated but atleast I appreciate Lexus for keeping the flagship and making it as nice and reliable as possible unlike some of its competitors like Lincoln or jaguar who killed their XJ and continental
I hate to say this but I think the LS will eventually die. It sells so poorly and the hybrid system it offers is an absolute insult. 354hp hybrid for $6K more is just awful I personally think the LS430 LS460 LS600hL are my favorite Lexus LS sedans ever built
Love the LS interior, unlike tactile buttons and knobs which require only muscle memory. The “modern” and “minimalist” interiors with the 16” display require the driver to take their eyes off the road just to access the glove compartment.
Looks more dated than the BMW 7 series. Unless you plans on keeping this vehicle for 8+ years, not worth the money. The Audi A8, and new S class interior blow this LS out out of the water!
Also sofyan 0-60 is not in 5.5 seconds for the Ls500. Alex on autos got 4.6 seconds 0-60 with the regular LS and 5.2 with the LS500h Your 0-60 time you got for reference is as fast as my v6 Camry lol
It is still not as refined as the Lexus LS460. I also prefer the looks of the LS460, and it comes with a V8. The v6 in the LS500 kind of hesitates. I mean would you pay that kind of premium price for V6? I would expect at least a v8 or twin turbo.
The ls460 is way better than this ls500. The short wheelbase ls460 had more rear legroom than the current long length ls500 Their 4.6L v8 is amazing so smooth. But their LS600hL is the best Lexus LS they ever made
Sofyan doesn’t like lexus/toyota cars, Lexus cars are made to be reliable and the tech is not the main focus of the car, they make gradual changes over time. La500 is a luxury car , it will never be a sport car, 0-60 is not that important to the buyers, it feels and looks better in person,. Reviewing a car for a day or two is different than owning a car for 20 years and not having problem with it, numbers tell the story, Toyota/lexus is still number one in sales and reliability 💪
@@emilyleong1436 a rav4 prime? Because it’s fast… like literally that’s the only reason he even has a rav4 prime. It’s fast… if it weren’t fast he wouldn’t even have bought it and said it’s the worst car
@@naveenthemachine Yes! Spot on. There's nothing wrong with loving the instant pull from a strong EV/PHEV but just admit that. The RAV4 Prime gives Sofyan the ultimate "sleeper" look at Red lights 🚀 which I'm sure gets his rocks off. He could give a rats ass about the planet
Did I miss something or did this LS500 do the exact 0-60 as claimed by Lexus? @ 2:50 it says 5.5 seconds and his second test @ 18:15 was also 5.5 but he keeps saying it’s a 1 sec slower than they claim
When you look at the lexus model reliability index, the LS is the least reliable model. Hmm...oh well, at least it will be way more reliable than the other flagship Sedans... I Will take this over the S-Class only and only for this reason... At least it has all the things necessary for a flagship sedan...and it was the only Lexus with that excello massage function...but now it is finally coming in the all-new LX They ruined the front face though... The pre-refreshed one was much more elegant... Now this and all the other lexuses look like cyborg s
Lexus is always doing just enough to look brand new and try stay ahead, but they still lag behind in a lot of different areas that it's frustrating to observe. There have been multiple times I wanted to buy a Lexus, but the features and some of their dated aspects of their car just irk the hell out of me that I refuse to pay top money for a supposedly top luxury car brand.
Toyota's vision of durability, quality, and reliability is the reason they can't move too fast with time. It is a value in their DNAs that they are not going to deviate from. Yes, they make more boring and less techy cars, but I have seen far fewer angry Lexus owners who complain about reliability issues than I have seen from Jag, BMW, Audi, and even Benz owners. There is something to be said about the overall ownership experience. As a Lexus LS430 owner, however, I think the biggest mistake Lexus made was to aim for a sportier car in LS500. Ditching the V8 was a huge mistake.
Ditching V8 is one thing, but I agree with you on so many things when it comes to toyota and lexus products in general. From someone who owns 2 toyota products, 2005 matrix with 2020 corolla LE, their tech is not going to wow you but their safety features with their known reliability, durability is what made their name hence why I'm driving them. In everyday life I'm happy to drive the products and the only time I will even drive different competition is when I rent for like a week or two from a rental company while on vacation. Speaking from experience I don't go to mechanics other than routine maintenance. If people buy these products excepting tech and speed they are in the wrong department and will be disappointed. More tech means more problems on a long term and also a drop big time in resale value if one plans to sell anyways. With toyota and lexus brands once bought especially new, with good financial planning expect a minimum of 10 plus years with minimal maintenance and thats where it wins.
I still use CDs. At least they're physical and I can choose whatever band/song I want, whenever I want, unlike Android Auto. Not to mention mobile data wasted. :-( I don't mind android auto, but if I'm pay a ton of money, I want to have both.
@@robert039 Forget that nonsense. Who the hell wants to pay monthly for music you can have permanently/on demand at any time? It's just stupid Providers of these services, as well as car manufacturers who contract them, can raise or lower the rates at will, throttle mobile data, and all at the cost of the consumer. It's just a moneymaking scheme people are suckers for.
Bought a used 2019 AWD with a sticker of $101k for $62k. Mint condition. Couldn’t be happier.
Yes the old was better
I thought Lexus cars don't depreciate. A 2019 nearly $40k less in just 2 years?
@@JulezWinnfield LS depreciates a lot because of low demand Maybe...
@marks90004 in my city Z class does not depreciation that much like LS , 7 series
@marks90004
Toyota/Lexus claim their brand never depreciates.
I could care less about speed. Give me the Lexus any day for ride, comfort, reliability, resale value. You don't buy a Lexus for cutting edge tech, but for that solid build and supreme comfort.
@Frederick Wagoner Absolutely, I agree!
@@tyler4093 I don’t really care about technology. And a TLX feels a lot cheaper than even the ES.
Good luck with resale value of LS..., it depreciates a lot
Don't you mean "you couldn't care less about speed"?
resale value is terrible on the LS, but the rest - you’re correct.
No doubt one of the best luxury sedans in the world. So many older LS still on the road today. I had many. All of them are still running today. Amazing
Lexus build quality 👌🏾 - and it’s amazing how so many other brands miss that all important factor. I mean, if I was spending big bucks, reliability is THE number one factor, which puts Lexus ahead of every other manufacturer.
That’s the old one. What about this this new one?
@My Ovaries Are A Felon Factory exactly. This model is NOT the quality and reliability champ that the faithful claim.
@My Ovaries Are A Felon Factory cap. I look at a person who has a 200,000 mile Lexus LS and in the time he owned it; his only major problem is he had to replace the airbags which is a common problem in any car with airbags and the rest has been completely reliable. Y'all come up on here speaking out your ass
@My Ovaries Are A Felon Factory I’ve never had to put that much into any Lexus I’ve ever owned
It may be dated in terms of tech, but it provides the luxury of knowing it's gonna last forever. I have a 2010 LS and it still drives like a brand new car. I dont think german competition is able to do that
German cars CAN do that.
I’ve seen and driven a lot of very well maintained older German cars that drove amazing. The thing is, the owners of those cars were all financially well off and didn’t care about continuously putting more money into them. Anytime something needed done they took care of it no matter how expensive it was. The issue with German cars is maintenance is expensive for them in the US, so a lot of people neglect them. If you take good care of them though, German cars will last a very long time.
The Germans can IF you want to put buckets of money into them and keep them in the shop
German cars suck... have major problems 2 yrs after purchase... always... benz and range rover are shitty as a public restroom.. major problems too often... lexus allows u to only need oil changes
@@ivansanchez8510 yes they can, germans can last as long as lexus vehicles but you PAY to get it to do that
The Lexus LS has never been a favorite of younger drivers because 1 most can’t afford it 2 I don’t think it’s meant to appeal to young drivers because it’s not a sports car. These cars have tremendous appeal to the 50,60,70 year olds who want an attractive, quiet, dependable, built to last forever, stately looking,high resale value ,and top notch customer service and we know that the Lexus LS has been and still remains that car.
@caldwell Case I agree! Well said.
I loved my 2008 LS460 and drove it 7 years and 100K trouble-free miles. My wife is on her second ES-350, a 2016 model we upgraded to for the safety tech. I bought my current 2015 Mercedes S550 in early 2017 (19K mi) for $80K ($116K sticker) instead of a new LS500. Incredible ride, beautiful interior, and top level luxury in this car, but at a price. I have 74K miles now, and this car is indeed expensive to maintain, but my wife loves it and we have taken many long trips in absolute luxury.
So you must be able to afford it, because cost of ownership outside of warranty is high. I will seriously look at the 2021 and newer LS500 before I buy a replacement S-class, but that is a very high hurdle.
And here I am a 24 years old looking for one haha
Lexus IS the only true Japanese luxury brand because the LS sedan, LX full size SUV and the sexy LC Coupe & LC convertible.
Acura & Infinity now are just Premium brands that set them apart from Honda & Nissan respectively but they are no longer luxury brands like Mercedes Benz, BMW, Audi and Lexus.
Kudos to Lexus for keeping up with the game and now I only think Lexus when it comes to luxury brands .
Not to mention the iconic LFA
I agree, Acura and Infiniti aren’t on the same level as Lexus or the Germans.
Your words make no sense. Please edit.
I think Acura just making upscale sport car but Infiniti just suck
I literally have CDs in my LS 460. I use vinyl and CDs at home and run a two channel system. Welcome to the Lexus buyer.
You all journalist forget the most important thing about a Lexus vehicle . It’s RELIABILITY
That aspect is officially over. I know Toyota and Lexus makes reliable vehicles no arguing that.
But unfortunately with them now going turbo their long term reliability reputation will tank. Simply adding a Toyota or Lexus logo to a turbo engine or even a bmw engine doesn’t automatically increase reliability and decrease mechanical complexity
That's kinda sad considering they used to do a lot of things so well. Reliability is not the end all of luxury car ownership and it isn't working for Lexus anymore in all segments. The GS was reliable, but old and uncompetitive, thus being cancelled. The LS doesn't sell anywhere near what it used to because it just doesn't move the needle anymore, with the German cars killing it outside of reliability. Lexus needs more modern features, engines and infotainment in their sedans. What you're not getting is that is a road test/evaluation, not a long term reliability test.
@@naveenthemachine I hope you are wrong but I fear the worst. If any manufacturer can make a reliable turbo engine it would be Toyota. I know the NX turbo engine has been doing great for Lexus.
*Its. Me thinks you're delusional. This car will break and it will be expensive to fix. It's not a Corolla.
You don't buy a luxury car for its "reliability". As much as i LOVE toyota and lexus ( lifelong fan and only drive them), I have to agree that when you are in a luxury market, making your main selling point "it's reliable" is not gonna cut it.
It might be outdated on tech, but this Lexus will last longer than any Benz, BMW or any luxury vehicle. Just saying
I hope you are right because I am a Lexus fan myself but I am worried about the reliability of this engine. The Toyota V8 engines are bullet proof! There has been some reports that this generation is the least reliable Lexus. 🙄
The turbo v6 won’t be as reliable long term like the old v8 lexuses used to be. Simply adding a Toyota or Lexus logo to a turbo engine even if they make it, doesn’t automatically increase reliability and decrease mechanical complexity.
@@350zlover2 no doubt about it. But we'll see. I've seen a land cruiser with almost 800,000 miles on it and sadly someone crashed it.
@@naveenthemachine ur right about that but, hopefully Toyota can make it reliable
How is the dated please save me it came out in 2017 how is it dated
You know what will attract those buyers?? The 23 speaker surround sound!!! I just bought it. Its being delivered in 7 days. Im done with mercedes and the problems/maintenance. Like you said this car is gorgeous and BULLETPROOF and RELIABLE! Thats all I need now.
Congratulations. What color/interior?
I am a Lexus fan but they are falling behind Mercedes and BMW. I don't care what anyone says. LS needs a V8. It is their freaking flagship sedan ! I don't care if its twin turbo yada yada yada. Your flagship sedan has to have a V8.
Both the LS and the Germans will last a long time when properly maintained. The difference is the cost is significantly higher in the German brands since they stay at or ahead of the technological curve vs the Japanese way of tried and true. For this reason LS owners tend to keep their cars for longer since there's typically nothing of significance wrong with the vehicle whereas there's a lot more likely to break or malfunction among the Germans that no one wants (rich or not) especially after the factory warranty runs out.
This review is what happens when the reviewer is not part of the target market.
Also something you won’t find in the competition, reliability lol
What about the g90?
In a twin turbo? Are you blind? Toyota can and will do anything to fool the uneducated.
funny how this engines has so much displacement, yet is still less powerful than some 2.0 l turbo from Mercedes.
They could give this Motor and Transmission on the IS 350 (Replacing the outdated 3.5L NA with 6-Speed) and call it a day. Or atleast a detuned version making about 350hp and trqs. So it can atleast compare to the M340i, C43, S4
That will be too expensive is comfort and Smoothness
Would be awesome or they could just tune up the 3.5NA.
That's coming for the next gen IS FSP, while this gen has the v8. Should be here in around 2 or 3 years
That would be great but I think the the platform of the current IS is just too old to accommodate the TTV6.
@@mark_u it's getting a redesign in 2 or 3 years from now
I see these occasionally and they’re truly even more stunning in person
Bro you don’t get a Lexus for speed you get a Lexus so you don’t feel like a peasant
I just want you to know, that I still use CDs and I'm glad the LS has a CD player. I'm outdated for sure but I don't care
The tech in the LS 500 is lagging behind its rivals, but who can seriously blame a car brand for including a free CD player? It´s still the best source for audio. Sure, Apple Car Play and Android Auto are more practical, but Compact Disc still smokes compressed digital files in terms of fidelity.
I’m devastated you think a cream interior would go better with the manganese luster…
I love a CD player. Uncompressed audio, and it's more reliable with less delay than Bluetooth.
PERIOD! The guy on video is drag Drama queen on pinky wheels which means he or she don't understand nothing about car's , only copy cat parroting looking 4 attention.
i mean sure, but the vast majority of people are not using CDs, the world has moved on. there's a reason lexus is the only brand still putting a CD player right in the main area of their center console...
This guy is a complete complaint maniac! What's wrong with the CD player?
He is just too influenced by the German brands and the speedy teslas . They keep complaining about CD as if it a bad thing, some of us love haveing a CD player
@@walterndlovu6329 indeed! I do like the idea of giving the owners more options instead of forcing them to switch to streaming services.
Nobody uses CD’s these days. But maybe Lexus should offer a fax machine as well.
@@pilskadden that ain't true! Many around me still use it
@@pilskadden i use CD for their best music quLitt
You can play blue ray DVD’s on the CD player when when car is parked. Perfect for when I’m waiting at the mall for my wife. Love that Lexus kept that feature.
Sofyan, why does it bother you that a company offers a CD player? CDs sound better than compressed music. That's why some companies offer it. We audiophiles appreciate the difference, and we are grateful for its availability.
the best Japanese big luxury Sedan of the World 👍
It's a great luxury sedan, but it still needs a V8 engine option to really compete in the segment
I hate the ultra focus on tech in cars now , you can buy this and know it was grenade itself in 4 years
exactly. i think the type of people who drive these sort of cars all lease, finance, & recycle cars anually like iphone trendies
A German car will grenade itself in 4 years-- not Lexus.
@@ernestcassell3227 not all
Its dated
I have a 2021 LS500. It rides like a dream and the Mark Levinson system is a knock out and white leather is available 🌞
"i wish it had a spoiler" its a full-size luxury sedan, dude. go review a miata if you want sporty garbage. lmao
I understand the technology complaints but the gauge cluster really doesn't need to be a giant screen it's a design choice
That’s true. But on the other hand, why does a cheaper Toyota Tundra offer a 12.3 inch full lcd instrument cluster while a 100K Lexus LS that’s less spacious lacks it?
@@naveenthemachine this lexus is catered to people about to hit retirement. Not meant for a young person.
@@alvinsimba734I'm about 40 years from retirement, but I love the LS. Plan to buy a used LS 460 sometime in the next could of years 😊.
Why do some people complain when there are CD players in cars, I mean if it wasn't there, its just gonna be a blank space, so why not put something there
As a Lexus apologist, he makes some valid points about the outdated tech.
My Camry has a better infotainment system and a larger gauge cluster than this 100K lexus… why is that?
@@naveenthemachine I wish I had an excuse 😭
@@marshallkelin1716 me too sadly
I want to love this LS but I can’t. I personally love the LS460 and LS600hL. The short wheelbase LS460 has more rear legroom than the long wheelbase LS500 lol
True, can’t believe it doesn’t have wireless apple/android CarPlay
@@1ptman1 do you really really need that ?
I see no issue with including a CD player! I still keep a case of them in my car lol.
Cds have been obsolete for a decade solid. Streaking services are easier, less cumbersome, and allow you to seamlessly discover far more than you ever would otherwise.
I don’t think many young guys are buying 100k dollar cars lol. For me, 30k car is a stretch.
Not every car needs two massive screens IMO. It's a fad and needs to not be promoted unless it's extremely well done and not just a slab for the sake of it
Agreed
Love the LS interior, unlike tactile buttons and knobs which require only muscle memory. The “modern” and “minimalist” interiors with the 16” display require the driver to take their eyes off the road just to access the glove compartment.
Exactly
I dont think Lexus is marketing these cars to the young crowd. They are marketing a car like this to middle-age business-class buyers, and there's nothing wrong with that. They've never been known for tech innovation, but people buy them for superior quality and reliability.
You are by far the best reviewer I have seen....GREAT JOB!
Good review on the car and one I'd have (money no object) over the German rivals. Today's buyers on cars sometimes miss the plot. For a car like Lexus, you buy it for reliability, durability, build quality, and luxury over performance and technology. IMHO I don't think you can have all those in a car. The German manufacturers tried it relentlessly and the servicing costs and quality complaints about computer and software issues I hear from friends and family owning various marks over the years tells me that overcomplicating cars and cramming it with too much tech just doesn't work because it makes servicing more complex and more expensive to accomplish.
You put into words my exact thoughts!
Yes!!!
Very well said
Lexus and toyota are not known for tech.... they just know how to get the job done with minimum fuss. If people want to tech go to Hyundai or genesis, but they cut corners on mechanical aspect of it which is a deal breaker for me.
@Prime Artemis Is Lexus not durable? Are you a Toyota/Lexus mechanic/engineer?
I like what they're doing with this. Somehow the luxury market began turning toward more screens, colored lights, drive modes, and breakneck speed. The LS could use some updates, but this is the kind of luxury car I'd buy and keep, whereas the competition I wouldn't want to be stuck with outside of a lease and warranty. I love tech, but you don't get reliability by changing stuff all the time.
If money were no object, of course I'd want the S-Class over this, but it's arguably in a different class with a starting price 30% more than than a base LS. This is where Genesis can really make an impact with people that aren't buying a badge; looking at the $74,000 G90 with much better tech, more modern looks, seemingly similar quality, and an optional V8.
Call you kia Hyundai snd dealer and ask how many brand new cars they huge due for new engine replacements and how many of they’re cars have caught fire. Stop listening to TH-cam
@@Natethegreat200c you should’ve listened in English class.
@@xavierwashington877 obviously I was typing too fast.
@@Natethegreat200c ik bud… js bustin your balls i do it all the time lol.
The CD player speaks to the average owner of these cars. Old people might still have a collection of CDs that they'd like to use in their car, so I don't necessarily think it was a bad decision to include a CD player.
Dream car. Instrument panel screen actually looks classy and not overdone or exaggerated.
Don’t think Lexus/ Toyota are too focus on this platform anymore. It’s just here just to say they have it.
I think Toyota will eventually move towards fwd platforms only. But on the plus side fwd platforms are more practical inside with more space and lower cost. Plus better efficiency too.
I honestly can’t think of a RWD based Toyota that outsells their fwd counterparts
@@naveenthemachine yeah. Also the future is full electric. That’s where Toyota is heading and focusing on.
@@tigerbiterhater I thought they want to focus on hydrogen and hybrids and plug-in hybrids
Top shelf car and review, I have a 19 and love it! Keep up the great work and keep after Lexus too.
newsflash junior, mercedes clients are not loyal at all, actually many ex MB owners (like myself) are now devoted Lexus fans. True opinion without any sponsors (like you). Lexus number one!
I have been looking at this shape LS and a 3 year old one is good value and a lot of prestige for the money.
The only issue with this LS is that the ES looks equally as big, as luxurious and as similar in design. And the rear seat legroom is just not enough.
The ES is nowhere near as big. Have you ever seen an LS in person? They’re long as hell. I have an ES and yes it is long but nowhere near as long as the LS.
Es doesnt have the performance, and it’s definitely not as luxurious
Did you watch the video? It’s OUTDATED!
The ES is basically a luxury Toyota Camry
Unless you're 6'10". There is plenty of leg room. I have an ES.
I really wish I could afford an executive package LS500. One day lol
Wait a few years. They will depreciate eventually, though not as fast as a bmw or Mercedes
You can find executive package at 65k ish nowadays
@@SocietyIsCooked wait like 10 years lol
@@SocietyIsCooked
Scotty Kilmer videos on BMW and Mercedes.
I just purchased a 2013 LS460 Fsport last summer of '23. 10 years of depreciation, I bought it for 30k. MSRP was 82k! This has always been one of my dream cars to own, and I am glad and proud to own one now. Last of their V8s.
Love the channel but the way he bashes lexus gets old. Lexus looks good and will last forever with minimum maintenance case closed
This car is beautiful..
Dated and old
@@Natethegreat200c You're broke so don't worry about looks. Customers who can and afford and own one like myself will disagree.
As Savagegeese recently stated in testing one of these, “a great sedan in need of a V-8”
It’s outdated
@@navminhas412 this just doesn’t have what it takes for the price.
What's with the Japanese falling behind on high tech electronics? They use to be the go to for consumer electronics like the Sony Walkman, now it's iPhones. Toyotas maybe reliable, but up-to-date electronics would be nice on a top model luxury car.
i don't agree that the driver's screen is too small. Size isn't everything and I think they were going for a certain look and I like that it's simple, straightforward and as Joe Friday used to say, "Just the facts, ma'am."
Thanks god we have toyota that persist on doing what they want instead of just following the crowd. OP is always going to have complains toyota because toyota is not like others they not out to wow anybody they out to do what works.
Yeah but if you compare this gauge cluster to some high end Toyotas like a top end Highlander or venza or Camry or Avalon, you’ll see the Toyota gauge cluster feels a lot bigger
1.) I have to agree with AMD when he says journalists ruin cars
2.) Who tf cares about the size of the instrument cluster or wireless carplay/auto - you're driving a car not playing an xbox
3.) Saying the LS is the least reliable of Lexus is like saying that the Bentley Bentayga is the cheapest Bentley - it may be the least reliable Lexus but it's still one of the most reliable cars on the road
4.) I am starting to wonder why I watch these journalists review Lexus/Toyotas because they really have no clue what to do when they actually get cars that people from all socioeconomic statuses want
5.) I watched every video on the ES250 AWD by auto journalists and had the lowest expectations because of them but then when I actually drove one and subsequently bought one I realized it was the best automotive purchase I could have ever made - and I've owned GX460's, LS's, S-Classes, E-Classes, BMW's, Audi's, and Porsche's ... it's almost like you can hear the contempt in automotive journalists voices when they have to say something positive about Toyotas or Lexuses
6.) CD's are still heavily used by clients in the market for a Lexus - i.e. people with brains and educations who place an emphasis on value, long term usage and not having ads because they use bluetooth audio on youtube
LASTLY - WHO TF CARES ABOUT GRAPHICS OR TECHNOLOGY!! TECHNOLOGY DOES NOT EQUAL LUXURY .. tf
Why in the world would this car need a spoiler
“ I’m definitely getting the feeling that I’m driving a car that’s more fancy than any Camry or any Avalon” what ?
“ Younger buyers this… younger buyer that”
This is a perfect example of how car reviewer‘s ruin some vehicles because of their terrible understanding. He’s constantly comparing this to the brand new S class this car is not all new how do you expected to compete with a brand new vehicle ? Why are you constantly bringing up younger buyers and speaking on behalf of young people not all young people want the same thing. I I’m a young buyer and I appreciate this car just as much as I appreciate a BMW M3. The amount of nagging and nitpicking in this review is very skeptical. He skipped over any good qualities of this vehicle and if he did mention any good qualities he talked about it for less than one second. He clearly thinks all young people want the same thing. Also newsflash the S class is also a old person car all cars in the segment were made for mature older people with money the S class is no different. I could’ve done a better review.
Bruh. I'm a "Younger buyer" and I'd rather a land yacht with a 7 second 0-60 that gets me to work smoothly every day. The car market is close to crap at this point because reviewers wanting everything "sporty" (aka. break your spine driving or walk to work)
The current LS is a study in compromises, something you don't want in your flagship "I've arrived" luxury sedan purchase. It likes to remind you that there are better luxury sedans out there. They may not be better built, but they are better luxury cars.
I honestly think even some mainstream Toyotas these days beat Lexus at their own game. They offer modern and better tech and new drivetrains and updated AWD systems
@@naveenthemachine Definitely! The new technology in the Toyota’s is much newer than this. The only thing this LS has that the Toyota’s don’t have is better materials inside.
The current LS has been around for a few years now not fair to compare it to brand new vehicles honestly
@@naveenthemachine if you think Toyota vehicles beat Lexus you’re sadly mistaken Lexus Is undergoing heavy product re-planning and a bunch of all models are coming to not be so quick to jump the gun
@@Toyota4Life well true. But I certainly hope so. Lexus needs to be that next level in luxury vs a Toyota.
Honestly I find this interior better as an owner. I'm not a fan tech gimmicks being crammed into a car unnecessarily. So many of them could break. I'd much rather the LS if it means I don't have to pay tons to service the car regularly.
I have owned 17 new and 3 used cars in my life, going back to a 1963 Ford Fairlane (the only one I drove more than 100K miles). The low point was a Ford Pinto. The best by far was a Lexus LS430. I never cared what that car's 0-to-60 time was.
I could afford and have always embraced technological progress, which is why I never kept even the best Lexus for too long. During my childhood, heaters and arm rests were optional equipment. Nowadays, we criticize a car whose ambient lighting color can't be changed? Eye roll.
Not really disagreeing with you since it is very minor. But if a 2011 Ford Fiesta has customizable ambient lighting, then why not a 100k luxury sedan?
@marks90004 ikr? The gauge cluster in my Camry XSE feels bigger than the one in the LS or even the new NX
Toyota has a better infotainment (despite being a tad dated) but it’s much much easier to use. And it has CarPlay and android auto
Not to mention that the new tundra especially is available with a 12.3in full lcd instrument cluster and a twin turbo v6 hybrid and a 14inch touchscreen. Not even a 100K Lexus offers that. And even the 2022 LX600 will offer that
That interior is gorgeous
Eh.. as a “younger” buyer I would buy the LC500 or the IS500 over this if I had the choice. But I can definitely see my dad who’s in his 60s go for this type of car.
I love the LC500 but the storage space is abysmal. Taking your significant other on a weekend trip is a no-go unless you pack crazy light. Went with the RCF
@Zero I have the money but I'm not buying my wife new clothes every time I go on a trip because she can't take an overnight bag. there's more room in a Porsche 911! 😝
@@DebianDog I have no idea why there's a backseat in that thing. Why not just take out the backseat and make the trunk bigger? I can get the argument for some inner rear storage, but a full backseat is ridiculous.
And this car will still be on the road 250000 miles from now. Audi, BMW, MB, Jaguar? Not so much
don't know about that. This has a lot of tech and that twin turbo engine will be lucky to last 150k miles.
its a twin turbo probably not
@@kristians2704 fair point.
@@kristians2704 it's still a toyota
No way. Now that Toyota has gone turbo their long term reliability is over. Just adding a Toyota or lexus logo to a turbo or twin turbo engine doesn’t automatically increase reliability and decrease mechanical complexity
In the relentless pursuit of perfection, Lexus has ran out of breath.
if you don't use CD some other people use it, stop putting your idealism on the review for me I hate ambient lighting that looks like a nightclub, look at rolls and Bentley they don't use a lot of ambient lightning because its annoying
Just returned my 2018 Mercedes S450 lease and picked up a 2021 Mercedes S580. Before I returned the lease I went and check out the Lexus LS500 but tbh at the price Lexus is asking it comes no where near MB if we're talking about Luxurious, ride quality, techs, infotainment, rear seat entertainment...etc. You can talk about reliability all day but I lease the MB so I could careless about it. Lexus needs to step it up with a total new design otherwise it will not get anyone attention at all. The price of the LS that the dealer is asking put it near the S500 but even when comparing to the S500 it's no where near. Like I said, you can talk all day about reliability but in my 3 years that I leased the MB S450 I never had a problem, only service every 5K miles and brake tire like normal. It's a shame that I see more audi A8, Bmw 7 series then I see the LS500. At least in my area I only saw the LS500 like 2-3 times
Cool. No one asked
@@porfiriato84 Did I talk to you? Yeah that's right
@@porfiriato84 he does make a valid point. You mad you stuck with a 04 MDX
They do not need to get rid of the cd player
I like the fact that you hit them where it was needed 😄. You didn't forgive the shortcomings. I have an F sport and love it, but I agree with all your points, for me the dash of the non F sport model was the deal breaker.
Great review as always!
Omg this guys is just complaining about Lexus, and comparing it with the not reliable competitors… I’d prefer to get old infotainment system with reliable car rather than a crazy informaient with high tech but reliability shit…
Agree 100%.
This will be my car 5 years from now
Loyal Lexus buyers could NOT care less what the S-class offers since the reliability of this product far outweighs anything Mercedes or any other German automaker is offering. Not to mention that the S-class is far more expensive. The LS has far more bang for the buck.
Jesus Christ, no one cares or wants a 14 -16 inch cockpit display. You can't see large portions of it through the steering wheel when they are that big, so what's the point? Just because Mercedes does it, doesnt mean that Lexus customers what it. This thing is 25 grand less than an equally equipped S-class. The buyers aren't the same.
Lmao I burst out laughing when you mentioned that this had a CD player. Holy crap this really was designed for old people.
Also, not every car needs massive screens, it's cool that lexus keeps its original white dials
People don't understand the whole point. Toyota/ Lexus makes small changes overtime thats the whole point which equals reliability. People wonder why BMW and Mercedes don't have the same reliability. 25 years from now that Lexus will be on the road and the others maybe. Lexus doesn't need to be like everyone else that's what makes them unique. I have owned two LS cars and they were the best cars I ever owned never a problem and a top notch service department. As a result, Mercedes and BMW would not be what they are today if Lexus had not entered the market and made them up there game. If you want a sport sedan then go buy one if you a supremely built car that will stand the test of time buy a Lexus. Younger please!! I'm younger and enjoy Lexus cars and what they stand for. As soon as Lexus starts building cars like the competition the same people will be complaining about that, but buy what you like.
What is you talking about bmw and Mercedes was always ahead of Lexus
Long in the tooth? It’s only its 4th year. I have a 2019 RWD, average 26 Mpg in city + hwy, and have gotten 31 MPG on hwy trips at 70-75 mph. Rides like I am on a cloud (after I replaced the stupid run flats) and I love the interior. I didn’t want an ipad to drive, tech gets outdated, and the touch pad is fine when you get used to it. BTW the reason it has a cd player is that smart phone music can’t make use of the sound system which is as good as any luxury car I have been in, including Mercedes S
Hey! I still use a CD in my car 🤣.
Beautiful sedan! I like seeing the older folks in these. I know they’re safe. Too much tech isn’t good for the older folk. They’ll get flustered lol. If I saw someone young driving this, I’d think it’s their dads or grandmas car. 🤣
He keeps talking like it just came out yesterday! I mean it's time for a new version. I'm sure the next redo will be stunning for sure!
Toyota is like white bread, always playing things too safe, a day late and a dollar short. The exception being their ugly design language, they went way too far in the opposite direction of safe.
I doubt there’ll be a redesign since the LS sells so poorly compared to its rivals.
Great car, but definitely LOTS of misses. Lexus needs to address the technological shortcomings of this car. It doesn’t need to be Mercedes Benz levels of gimmicky, but they can definitely do more than what they did here. Overall, for $80,000, this is not the car I would pick. The S Class, for as expensive as it is, is just a better car.
A Benz will have so many problems before a Lexus in the first six months
Ah mate, you must have a lot of money. Asked anybody who's owned an S class for longer than 5 years how much they have to spend on repairs compared to LS owners.
@@lifeislikeabrokenpencil8796 I’m a huge Lexus fan, I’m just being honest though. Compared to the tech in an A8, 7 Series, or S Class, the LS is seriously lacking. There’s no doubt the Lexus will be more reliable. But that’s not enough in this class. Lexus tries to undercut the competition in price so they tend to purposely sandbag their vehicles. For the next LS, I would almost prefer to see a $90,000 starting price but a much better vehicle.
@@armanitransport2604 in the first 6 months? Maybe 6 years.
@@lifeislikeabrokenpencil8796 are you talking to poor people buying them used? You’re not supposed to do that. It’s a lease vehicle.
Goddamn this guy has the wrong fucking job he should stop what he’s doing today and start being some kind of auctioneer or book reader somewhere cause dude says a million words a minute.
I can't believe it: I wholly agree with Sofyan's review! LOL! I LOVE the design of the LS. It is so daring against the boring A8, the played out 7-Series, and the NOW anonymously-styled W223 S-Class(my 2017 S63 will likely be my last Benz). It is very unique. Unfortunately, as we've seen with Toyota's TNGA-platformed cars, the interior packaging is seriously lacking, particularly rear seat accommodations. Pop into any of the Big 3 Germans and they're downright cavernous by comparison, despite having the same 205-207" of length.
What is most depressing about the LS is the lack of tech that is demanded on a $100K car. And please...spare me the reliability argument. The graphics, lack of wireless Carplay, no uplevel turbo V8(PLEASE drop the amazing 5.0 in it!) or more powerful V6, and just an overall feeling of lack compared to its German and Korean competitive set(yes, the G90 Ultimate is better buy than this) is a miss for this car. It is not good when a 2014 W222 S550 offers a greater luxury environment than a car that came out 4 years later.
Save your money on the German rivals, skip the new LS. As you and Sofyan said, its outdated big time. Got for the Genesis G90 instead, way cheaper than all of the competition and way, way more luxurious. Plus 10 year warranty is impossible to beat
The LS may be a bit underrated but atleast I appreciate Lexus for keeping the flagship and making it as nice and reliable as possible unlike some of its competitors like Lincoln or jaguar who killed their XJ and continental
I hate to say this but I think the LS will eventually die. It sells so poorly and the hybrid system it offers is an absolute insult. 354hp hybrid for $6K more is just awful
I personally think the LS430 LS460 LS600hL are my favorite Lexus LS sedans ever built
Love the LS interior, unlike tactile buttons and knobs which require only muscle memory. The “modern” and “minimalist” interiors with the 16” display require the driver to take their eyes off the road just to access the glove compartment.
Looks more dated than the BMW 7 series. Unless you plans on keeping this vehicle for 8+ years, not worth the money. The Audi A8, and new S class interior blow this LS out out of the water!
@@Troy-fv9uq I believe, like my uncle, majority of the LS owners do keep their car for 10+ years. I can’t speak for Audi and BMW owners.
@@Troy-fv9uq its not dated your soo wrong big screens aren't everything
@@criancrna1487 well audi cam last a good long time but the dude is wrong the ls isn't dated
@marks90004 can't say that for the g wagon
Also sofyan 0-60 is not in 5.5 seconds for the Ls500. Alex on autos got 4.6 seconds 0-60 with the regular LS and 5.2 with the LS500h
Your 0-60 time you got for reference is as fast as my v6 Camry lol
yeah just a typo. he says 4.6 in the video
@@stevef5490 ah. Thx for clarifying that.
@@stevef5490 its not a typo, he put what he got for 0-60 in those numbers, which obviously he shouldn’t have.
I think you hit the nail on the head when you said “old” school. It seems some of their tech decisions are based on an older buyer.
Lexus has always catered to people who are established in their careers about to hit retirement.
They still chase for old guys with thick wallet. But may be after this generation it will shift to different target ages.
I use cds. Have hundreds. Do you mind?
Does a larger dash screen make it better?
No. Even if the software is improved and it still retains hard buttons and knobs then it’s okay.
It is still not as refined as the Lexus LS460. I also prefer the looks of the LS460, and it comes with a V8.
The v6 in the LS500 kind of hesitates. I mean would you pay that kind of premium price for V6? I would expect at least a v8 or twin turbo.
Agreed. I think that’s partly why it hasn’t been a seller. The German rivals still offer a V8.
It has a twin turbo V6
@@marshallkelin1716 yea I know.
@@marshallkelin1716 I think he meant a twin turbo V8
The ls460 is way better than this ls500. The short wheelbase ls460 had more rear legroom than the current long length ls500
Their 4.6L v8 is amazing so smooth. But their LS600hL is the best Lexus LS they ever made
Sofyan doesn’t like lexus/toyota cars, Lexus cars are made to be reliable and the tech is not the main focus of the car, they make gradual changes over time. La500 is a luxury car , it will never be a sport car, 0-60 is not that important to the buyers, it feels and looks better in person,. Reviewing a car for a day or two is different than owning a car for 20 years and not having problem with it, numbers tell the story, Toyota/lexus is still number one in sales and reliability 💪
Sofyan owns a Toyota. 🤣
@@emilyleong1436 a rav4 prime? Because it’s fast… like literally that’s the only reason he even has a rav4 prime. It’s fast…
if it weren’t fast he wouldn’t even have bought it and said it’s the worst car
@@naveenthemachine Yes! Spot on. There's nothing wrong with loving the instant pull from a strong EV/PHEV but just admit that. The RAV4 Prime gives Sofyan the ultimate "sleeper" look at Red lights 🚀 which I'm sure gets his rocks off. He could give a rats ass about the planet
Did I miss something or did this LS500 do the exact 0-60 as claimed by Lexus? @ 2:50 it says 5.5 seconds and his second test @ 18:15 was also 5.5 but he keeps saying it’s a 1 sec slower than they claim
When you look at the lexus model reliability index, the LS is the least reliable model. Hmm...oh well, at least it will be way more reliable than the other flagship Sedans... I Will take this over the S-Class only and only for this reason... At least it has all the things necessary for a flagship sedan...and it was the only Lexus with that excello massage function...but now it is finally coming in the all-new LX
They ruined the front face though... The pre-refreshed one was much more elegant... Now this and all the other lexuses look like cyborg s
The turbo v6 will kill Toyotas reliability. The LS is no exception and I have a suspicion that the new tundra will be in a similar state
@@naveenthemachine bruh no lmao toyota does testing for these they aren't stupid
Yes the front is kinda ruined still decent but reliability is good
The spindle grill is a pox on the brand.
Hi Cyril, has had the LS430 2001 & 2003, now driving the LS460 2008, they've been really good to me repair/service cost wise. Maybe I'm just lucky.
the gauge setup is fine the way it is. stop asking for more screens
4:06 the humpback look isn't good . Why copy the mk1 Panamera??
The front looks rather plain still.
Lexus is always doing just enough to look brand new and try stay ahead, but they still lag behind in a lot of different areas that it's frustrating to observe. There have been multiple times I wanted to buy a Lexus, but the features and some of their dated aspects of their car just irk the hell out of me that I refuse to pay top money for a supposedly top luxury car brand.
But it’s “reliable”.
Toyota's vision of durability, quality, and reliability is the reason they can't move too fast with time. It is a value in their DNAs that they are not going to deviate from. Yes, they make more boring and less techy cars, but I have seen far fewer angry Lexus owners who complain about reliability issues than I have seen from Jag, BMW, Audi, and even Benz owners. There is something to be said about the overall ownership experience. As a Lexus LS430 owner, however, I think the biggest mistake Lexus made was to aim for a sportier car in LS500. Ditching the V8 was a huge mistake.
Ditching V8 is one thing, but I agree with you on so many things when it comes to toyota and lexus products in general. From someone who owns 2 toyota products, 2005 matrix with 2020 corolla LE, their tech is not going to wow you but their safety features with their known reliability, durability is what made their name hence why I'm driving them. In everyday life I'm happy to drive the products and the only time I will even drive different competition is when I rent for like a week or two from a rental company while on vacation. Speaking from experience I don't go to mechanics other than routine maintenance. If people buy these products excepting tech and speed they are in the wrong department and will be disappointed. More tech means more problems on a long term and also a drop big time in resale value if one plans to sell anyways. With toyota and lexus brands once bought especially new, with good financial planning expect a minimum of 10 plus years with minimal maintenance and thats where it wins.
Is Lexus Twin Turbo V6 better than their V8?
a lot of people who still use cds lol
its actually a great touch especially since most people who buy these types of cars are older people.
Hahahahaha, I'm trying to get a car with a tape deck or an 8-track.
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Toyota overseas
I still use CDs. At least they're physical and I can choose whatever band/song I want, whenever I want, unlike Android Auto. Not to mention mobile data wasted. :-( I don't mind android auto, but if I'm pay a ton of money, I want to have both.
This car Caters to the older generation
@@robert039 Forget that nonsense. Who the hell wants to pay monthly for music you can have permanently/on demand at any time? It's just stupid Providers of these services, as well as car manufacturers who contract them, can raise or lower the rates at will, throttle mobile data, and all at the cost of the consumer. It's just a moneymaking scheme people are suckers for.
@@coldstonecanc3rgang994 it’s 10 dollars 😒😒
@@RomanM803 A waste of ten dollars. They can change the price at any time. I would rather not be part of a future monopoly.
Why it doesn’t has wireless charging panel???
his expectations just because it’s a luxury car goes from 0-60 in no time😂😂😂
Love your videos when will we see the 2022 Mazda CX-5