What Can Comics Learn From Manga?
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 9 ก.ค. 2017
- Manga seem to be WAY more popular than comic books even with the success of Marvel and DC movies. So what can they learn from that?
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In comics all the characters come back from the dead. Except Uncle Ben.
im sure we can find some comic that he came back tbh ;p
OverlordMMM Gwen Stacy
What about batmans parents
Those mentor characters come back TO the grave
Kinshira While he has stayed dead he has cameoed as a spirit here and there
People should start doing webcomics with Patreon style funding so you can write what you want. One Punch Man started as a webcomic with elementary school level art style and look how the big the franchise has become.
Onne is a smart guy.
This is inspiring because I so bad want to create my own comics but I suck at drawing
This is already a thing though...
@@Icanonlycountto4 then just wright it and co_op with an artist... Or at least make a storyboard with all the dialogues and stuff
now one punch man has one of the best arts in manga industry
The reason American comics don't have an ending, while Manga are often written with end from the very beginning is because in Japan the artists owns his characters. In America the characters are owned by the company that publishes the comic. The company wants a property it can be making money off of twenty or thirty or fifty years down the line. You want stories that are more episodic precisely because you're always getting new readers that you don't want to force to dig up 5 years of past issues to find out what's going on now in the story. That means there are fundamental aspects of a character that you never want to change. Their growth must be stunted. DC has historically had problems with this, it's why they need to re-boot their whole universe so often.
In Japan an artist may not want to still be drawing the one story thirty years down the road (unless you're Hirohiko Araki,). They start their stories with some sort of end point in mind (and even One Piece started with an ultimate goal in mind - I might be 135 when they finally find the One Piece, but the end is built into the beginning of the story). And if the story sells well, there are ways to continue series with a new story that also has an end in mind from the get-go. That means your hero can grow and change. Characters can die and new characters can be added. Enemies can become friends and vice versa. Because, they're serving a purpose in a greater story.
To sum up, American comics are, by virtue of how their owned, published, and marketed Character based. Japanese comics are story based.
As for genres, there used to be a wide variety of comic genres, from romance to westerns to Mickey Mouse. They stopped selling. Some of that had to do with the Comic Code Authority (which shut down a lot of the romance comics and horror comics). But even before that, the rise of superhero comics transformed, at a larger cultural level, the view of comics as a medium into a "little boys thing". So adults stopped reading a lot of them. Even the superhero comics were targeted at under 10s. As campy as the Adam West Batman series seems to us, read some Batman comics from the late 60s. They aren't any less campy. When I was still little, you could still find kids comics, Casper, Richie Rich, Scrooge McDuck, etc. But they all transitioned to TV or vanished because nobody bought them anymore. You read them in the drug store while your mom was picking up a perscription and didn't need to buy them. I learned how to read reading comics. But there was this big "they can only learn to read from 'real' books" push that discouraged parents and teachers from using comics for that purpose. In the end, the only non-superhero comic books that survived and still sells is Archie.
liljenborg Many companies also influence a lot the mangas. For example Toriyama wanted to end DBZ after the Cell saga, but Shonen Jump made him to do another arc
Fernando Sosa wasn't this already debunked?
dude dragon ball was supposed to end in the first arc, this is happening with most series, toriyama thought about ending it in many places but in the end he ended it in the buu saga. That is all
liljenborg even kishimoto of naruto planned the ending
Anime fan really ? He planned that shit ending ?
Haven't watched yet,but I can tell you my biggest complaint about American comics is the size of the issue. I have trouble paying for things I can read before I've left the store.
Manga actually usually has much fewer pages per chapter (the original release) than American books do. About fourteen pages seems to be the average count, and it can vary depending on the story content. You mostly don't notice it because you never collect manga per issue in the west-you're actually buying the equivalent of trade paperbacks.
Luckily it solves its chapter length problem in a different way-manga is printed weekly/monthly in large anthology collections, so the page count per issue actually spans a few hundred across about twenty different series. Along with being treated as simply specialty magazines and so sold in the same places as TV listings and hobbyist publications, it encourages people to buy the same book for different content, exposes them to different series without forcing them to buy different issues and encourages sharing the books around.
Dee Cross but that's my point. the manga I'm buying has much more content from cover to cover,than your standard american comics. which makes it easier for me to drop money on as opposed to reading it online as I do with most things.
Septic Bile That"s true. Most american comics are bite sized and feel flimsy compared to manga volumes. They really should start selling comics at grocery stores right next to the candy bars on checkout aisles again. I feel like that's a great place for what is basically bite sized entertainment.
That's my complaint about American comics, and by that I mean comic books and not comic graphic novels, which has more thickness and pages. The idea that you have to pay comic after comic to find out what happens next in a story seems kinda dumb. If I'm invested in the story, I wanna get right to the next chapter without having to wait for the next issue and pay for it. That's where manga kicks ass! It has a set amount of chapters in each book like any other novel, so you're getting your money's worth. I understand that comic artists have to meet deadlines, and can only draw so much within that deadline, but I think it's time American comics should shift its gears and start learning from manga and mangakas.
Same goes for me
I feel Western Comics kind of need a "Shonen Weekly Jump" of the sorts. Not necessarily weekly but a regular book you can pick up that has a few major stories as well as interesting new stuff. The current model kind of just focuses the known stuff.
No, that channel summarizes notable plotlines in a series. Nevermind, it's a fan resource, it only catches you up on stories you may have missed because you didn't get into comics when those stories were going on. What I'm suggesting bundles some big names and then puts some new stories in between that you may not have tried since you never heard of it before and it's a genre you aren't used too. Ie. in the currently Weekly Shonen Jump, you get big series like One Piece, Boruto and MHA but, you also get The Promised Neverland , Saiki Kusuo no Psi-nan and Hinomaru Zumō that most never would consider if it wasn't in the same book
You mean an anthology
DC Multiverse An anthology presumably is related so not quite that plus some stories would have to be new as possible, possibly preceding the issue release
Learn to form sentences
@@PIKMINROCK1 the standalone book comes after the magazine tho on Japan it's more of a collector item over their where they use it to read over it again.
It's definitely a problem when toy sales dictate storytelling!
MrSchwabbl So true, like Teen Titans. Most cancelled animations in the US are cancelled because of toy sales.
I agree so much that with manga, you can pick a series and start at volume 1, and read all of the volumes in order until you're done with the story. Easy! But with American comics, you have so many spinoffs and reboots and crossovers, and parallel universes of the same super hero going on at the same time, and it gets very overwhelming.
Well ok but you don´t actually have to read super hero comics. There are so many good comic series, that you can just pick up with volume 1 and read it though the end. Some examples would be: Watchmen, Sandman, Fables, Y: The Last Man, Hellboy, The Walking Dead (much better than the show), Saga, Sin City, Valerian and Veronique, Bone and much more.
I've bought the 4 first tome of Vader, there is a a cliffhanger at the end of the tome 3, which is resolved IN ANOTHER SERIE.
@@archilleasvalente5320 tbf what if someone just wants to read some self contained heroic action? Personally I’d recommend invincible since that series is amazing, but some people might not like all the gore, and I don’t know any other than that.
@@delcidkidv250 well because "invincible" actually end
Exactly, it's gets really confusing to me that in which chapter should I start
The reason I like manga is because they have a beginning, middle and end unlike western comics.
it works differently though theyre long stories while comics have multiple that end like bro dbz went for like 30 years and one piece went for 25 years
I think the problem with the American comic book industry, asides from cultural differences, is that it's far too conservative in it's structure and is dictated by corporate big-wigs rather than an author wanting to make a story personal to them. Granted, that's not saying the manga industry has problems of it's own, namely the work schedule, as well as the fact that going on hiatus for more than a week is rare (well, unless you're Yoshihiro Togashi).
Masterge77 manga also seems to be strict on how you can write or what you can write about. Or at least shonen jump is. Both hirokoshi and black clovers author was forced to cancel their original series despite getting rave reviews from critics because they were not "shonen" enough. Thus they both ended up making generic shonen stories. Heck, shonen jump would not even take attack on titan and fma because they told the author it needed to be more shonen like and AoT author said " they just wanted to turn my series into another typical shonen. I'm happy I said no." I guess both sides have their share of problems
in regards to shounen jump the readers are the ones who decide which series gets canceled and which are allowed to continue, thay have polls every week and based on those polls are seriess cancelled or continued, the quality doesn't matter, if the people who buy the magazine don't like it it gets canceled, that is how shounen jump operates and since the people who read shounen jump are primarily people who want to read generic shounen, that is what stays on, sometimes a serries that is not decisively shounen gets popular enough (like death note) but those are a rare exception.
That isn't all true though, the magazine editors do try to dictate the story at times and try to put their vision into it which usually involves the shounen tropes as well. The popularity polls are mostly just to figure out which series stays and which don't, that doesn't stop the intervention.
they don't dictate the story much at all, usually they just give suggestions on how to make the serries more popular (so not necessarily better) and most of the time it works, aside from tha tthe editors primary job is to be a bit of a content filter, it's a magazine for young children and even though japan isn't known for sheltering it's youth, there are some things they can't print in a magazine for children.
really the only point where the editors have all the power is when it comes to releasing the first chapter, once that is out and the serries keeps geting the votes, they won't cancel it.
Daemon Spade To be fair, editors telling authors to change their stories isn’t necessarily a bad thing. Sometimes great writers need some guidance to reach their best work. Stan Lee has commented before that unedited material from great writers aren’t as refined and focused. Hell, the Cell arc in DBZ, probably the best arc in the series, was only possible due to the editor constantly telling Toriyama to change the villain.
There's a reason why the super heroes have lasted for 80 years, the characters change every generation. In Japan the Manga Artist and writers own The characters whole, they're not owned by a giant billion$ international corporation. The Anime companies go to a popular manga artist publisher and they seek permission to turn a hot Manga/ light novel etc. Into an Anime. If the Artist says no than that's it end of story( most say yes) if you watch any Anime or read any manga the Artists get major credit. In America the Corporation that owns the characters whole get the credit, until they become generous and hide the creator credit somewhere in small print of as an after thought in a film. Most American comics creators Don't get paid for the credit, it's work for hire, they were paid by a company to make Superhero stories. In Japan the creator comes to a publisher asking please publish MY work! If it's a success they both win, if not they part ways until the creator comes up with The next Great idea. The only thing that separates Japanese comics from American is Ownership. Who controls the product and who gets to say what is done with them. Indie American comics are closer to the Japanese business model where creators have more rights.
True
American Comics can learn about price.
A typical manga magazine goes for around 2-5 dollars, either weekly or monthly or whatever. Each magazine issue has about 300-500 pages consisting of usually 20 or less series(depends on magazind)
American issues for only 1 series, cost of about 5 dollars for only about 30 or so pages.
That’s because manga magazines are printed using very cheap paper. I’d vouch for it, but you should expect a big deep in printing quality if that follows thru.
Stan Lee made a Manga called Heroman! He also Worked with Hiroyuki Takei the Creator of Shaman king on Karakuri Dôji Ultimo
BMO I'm kind of worried for him these days. With the recent death of his wife, and that Stan Lee is almost close to being literally 100 years old. It's gonna be a very sad day when he dies. IMO it would be very weird/sad if Spider Man/FF/Hulk kept going after he dies. And there would just be an emptiness in Marvel video games/movies etc without Stan Lee cameos.
I only mentioned in hopes Drake would talk about it, also I like Shaman king
Glitchy Penguin I try just not to think about how old he is.
RubyKing1997 Awww man I miss those days!Every friday I got a JP and a new yugioh card for my deck for just $8...damn makes you think about your grandparents and 7 cent gum with a comic on the wraper lol.
@@sharpyshores so... how are you now?
*bursts thru door* "Did someone say...MANGA?!"
One thing I find really weird about comics is how many ads they have. Whenever I see videos about comics and read on, I'm always seeing ads in the middle of the story and it just feels dumb. But maybe I'm just more used to manga where all the ads are at the end. Also I don't know if it's just me but I always feel like I have read too much manga because sometimes I'll read a comic the wrong way(I'll try to read it like a manga)
Read graphic novels and trade paperbacks. They don't have any ads.
Same
I recommend Rurouni Kenshin to any Wolverine fan and vice versa.
why
Xavier Teow cuz it's great
But they don't have a common premise.
Blade of the Immortal would be more accurate, except that most actual Wolverine comics are very tame in comparison
Rurouni Kenshin is good but the mangaka is a scumbag
This was a surprisingly interesting topic to be honest, I agree with how manga feels like a more contained and finite story being an attraction over the seemingly infinite mythos and stories of comics. I never have sat down and thought about this though, great video Drake.
I actually prefer the infiniteness of western comics. Admittedly, I still haven't started reading comics but I like the idea that I could start reading something like blue beetle tomorrow and keep reading it until I die. I just wish some comics would bother really HAVING a status quo. I don't read comics but I'm fairly familiar with the industry and it seems like there's some universe changing event at least once a year. Don't get me wrong I like character growth but world-shattering events is not at all the best way to do that sometimes.
I don't see how any character or story, can have depth without a conclusion
@@adityanadgir3769 read all the famous batman runs and you'll see his character develop. It's a good idea to end some comics but I like how Western comics continue their character journy towards infinity. This works for the West because it's given numerous artists the chance to do their own take on a character and even make alternate unverses for alternate versions of the character. If Batman finished in the 50's then we wouldn't get great stories like The Long Halloween, White Knight, The Killing Joke, Gotham by Gaslight etc...
You know what I actually want comics to learn from manga? How to structure a fight scene. Literally how does 90% of battles in super hero comics go? A big splash page where hero punches a dude and he gets knocked out and taken to jail. Like meanwhile in dragon ball or boku no hero academia it's like there's all this strategy and choreography and it's like planing and strange powers and like it's like actually compelling? Like why does " knocking someone out" is the go to in American comics? Like I get it that like in the 40s superman flies in and punches a dude and there's a wacky sound effect BADONG!!! And super man flies him to jail but like I feel we are kinda past that a little bit. Like if you look at boku no hero every fight has a real danger to it, people can be injured from variety of ways. Deku ends every fight bloody and winded. Like I recently re read Gwenpool and I actually really enjoyed that due to her lack of powers or skills she had to come up with clever ways to win fights. And that's a comedy comic! Nobody reads Gwenpool for the fights??
Natakupl your comparing new magnas to old comics.if you name an actual comic scene then yeah you have a point,but your dont know anything.
Natakupl Actually, in 60's and 70's Marvel comics was excellent at this. I mean, making the actual fights
*POW!!!*
@@ThePsychosis92 no seriously I enjoy american comics but the fights are almost always lackluster
@@diegoguisa4768 no your just weeb bias.
Marvel and DC could learn a thing or two from Doctor Who on how to keep a series going for fifty years without reboots while remaining accessible.
What we can learn from manga is how to conclude a story....leave it be....no reinvention nor reboots. just a simple start to finish tale.
manga has a beginning, a middle and an end.
comics have a beginning, a continuation and a reboot.
Comics have no overarching long term story structure. People want closure, and know there not going to get it from comic books, because there is no "the end" moment.
This is why books like the dark knight returns, kingdom come, and injustice exists. Comics and manga are ultimately different, thus comparing them is futile. Comics are universes, ever expanding, mangas aren’t. That’s why comics don’t end but mangas do. Longevity.
@@stinkydinky4761 it would be fine but you can only tell so much stories with the same core characters.........They need to move on and make new stories
qualivia The point is that these are characters that can be viewed through different lenses. Guts has to be Guts, but Batman doesn’t have to be Bruce Wayne. Spider-Man doesn’t have to be Peter Parker etc
I don't mind reboots. You can still have a good story by giving people a good story arc and the ending it. Then let a newer guy write a new story with same Character.
Instead they try to tie everything together for shock value and many arcs are done just for that.
5aral Look at things like Batman White Knight, Earth One, or ant maxi series honestly. They rarely tie themselves in that much to other storylines and often are really interesting. Even in continuity, I don’t know how you could think something like doomsday clock, Absolute Carnage, War of the Realms, Hunted or hell even Tom Kings Batman was some for shock value. All of the change the status quo or move their respected characters forward. I’d say In a more bombastic way than manga usually does. Again I like manga a lot, and it has many advantages to American comics, but ultimately they’re both great at doing their own thing. I don’t know why people feel the need to make things up to belittle one to make the other look good. This happens on both sides so I’m not being biased with my point or anything.
Imagine a slice of life comic in Marvel New York.
Hmm... I would love to read that lolol
would most likely be the character going through the psychological fear on what happens to him since new york gets invaded every other week
That could actually work, seeing superheroes living normal lives, villains living normal lives, getting to know these characters as actual people than just superheroes. Spiderman was kinda like that in some ways.
That would actually be really interesting
Iron Man building a gajillionth suit, Spider-Man having his monthly PTSD flashback, and Bruce Banner hiding in a cave.
One other thing that I think can detract from comic books is having such a gigantic shared universe instead of separate ones for each series. It can get really confusing to know when and how each story affects the world and other stories around it without having to spend even more hours in reading that other story. Its very rare for different manga franchises to share universes outside big crossover events and, even then, it's easy to keep track of what happened because it's such a special occasion
Consistent character portrayal and development.
Something that superman has seriously always lacked CONSISTNCIES
One personal problem I've always had with comic books but not with manga is just the sheer visual clusterfuck that comics frequently have. The art style of manga is a lot simpler than American comics and I always feel that the movement and layout feels a lot better. Manga feels less cluttered to me and they don't feel the need to fill each speech bubble with paragraphs and paragraphs of information. Manga can and does frequently have moments of silence with show don't tell while I frequently get exhausted from reading so much dialogue in comics.
In any case, I've been reading manga for years and years now, but I've been trying to get into comics for a long while as well. So channels like yours are very helpful for me.
This is the truest and most vital point in regards to this topic. This is why manga are better than comics, because being a visual medium, they know how to utilize the art to the fullest and will say plenty enough just with a few pictures. 10 panels per page not required. Excellent post.
American comics aren't doing much in the narration explaining everything that is happening since the 80's (Which was specialy bad with a writter like Claremont), so that's a moot point. And some shonen anime can have a lot of explanation for simple shit, though maybe not as much in manga versions.
@@psycadelic2009 manga is better than comics?! Woah stop right there. Personally I think they both are equal in their pros and cons
psycadelic2009 Manga aren’t better than comics. Sorry, but they are too different to compare like that. They’re different styles.
That's definitely true.
Manga tends to have a better reading flow when compared to american comics, but thats because they're more focused on their characters while comics are more focused on events.
But I do agree that's kinda jarring at first seeing captain america recite the american constitution while landing a single kick in some enemy in a double page spread with an overly detailed background with at least 7 other superheroes in awkward poses fighting an enemy army.
Another interesting thing about Manga especially in Japan,Magazines like Shonen Jump have different series in one magazine so you dont have to find a back issue sense most popular series will be reprinted to a volume.
Plus with magazines like jump you can read different series in just one book
Superhero comics are about the characters. The continuing stories of the characters. Mangas are about that story
Lol “continuing”
And guess what Manga has better Character development
@@mrkouroshs BRUHHHHHH are you fking kidding me show me where it's written that comic is about Characters and Manga is about story only by your stupid logic comic books sucks because the story matters the most even with generic Characters a good story can make the series going, prove that comic book characters are better when they are so boring cause the writer writes them the same with some changes and God those awful powerups it's like comic only cares about making Characters stronger rather than good were Manga has Characters that gets development Eren alone is far more interesting than most comic book Characters, you're just a fanboy who thinks he's right and talk like it's a fact lol and pretty sure The Dark Night Returns and Death Of Superman comics are so popular because of good story writting as well so that alone nulls your cOmiCs aRe AbOuT cHaRaCteR
@@KsiOlajigglyOlatittiesDiabetes here's suggesting if you want to give comics a chance or not and your just a little weeb defending your favorite hobby. I suggest kingdom come and invincible, Radiant black is only 3 issues in and it's pretty good. Oh if your not into superheros check out image comics
@@mrkouroshs keep crying what can I expect from a Comic fan no logic only nonsense
I really like the combination of the episodic approach AND the overarching story like JoJo.
I do agree that the more straightforward plot lines is one of the reasons why I prefer manga over American comics. Though another reason why is because of my personal preferences when it comes to art styles. While we do still get cartoony comic strips like Peanuts and Garfield, most comic books seem to go for a style that tries to make the characters look as realistic as possible. While I have nothing against the artists that work hard to make sure that the illustrations are of high quality, I just find this style a bit uncanny with all of the gritty details and overly dramatized expressions. I prefer manga because there is more variety in art styles depending on the illustrator, and there seems to be a perfect balance between cartooniness and realism when it comes to the designs of the characters, making them look much more pleasing to the eye.
I got into manga in middle school because it was cool, big explosions, gaint swords is really appealing when your a boy in middle school. I agree that the manga style was mire appealing back then, though I admit realstic anime is a major turn off, I prefer anime in its Boshojo and Boshonen style, if I wanted realism I'll go with Marvel and DC over anime because the realistic anime style isn't that appealing to me.
Anime drawing is not realistic
@@frasstvhs6141 that’s what he said.
You put it into words for me. More power to people who can draw realistically because it’s really impressive, but that’s just now what I personally want out of the stories I read. At least, not usually; it depends. I just finished a manga called Green Blood (it’s a western, funnily enough. Highly recommend) and it’s definitely got a more realistic art style, but somehow it was still WAY different from your average comic these days.
I think that’s also why I like Watchmen so much or why Wonder Woman: Dead Earth actually interests me. They’re comics that just look like comics
American comics pros :-
* Colour
* Grander scale and really amazing story stakes .
* More types of storytelling for the same series.
Manga pros:-
*Much more creative influence of the authors over their comics.
* Many more genres and variety.
* The whole series under the same universe and no reason for reading EXTRAS .
when i talk to my friends about manga, i know i read what they read and have full faith that we can talk about stuff without being confused af. It's the same reason why people are drawn to the MCU movies. American comics goes in the opposite direction of that.
*What can **-comics-** DC and Marvel learn from manga?*
New title for the video.
Sorry i omitted that, i should have listen more carefully but i actually see the video and enjoy it at that moment.
@@arolemaprarath6615 since you say that do you mean "underrated"?
@@arolemaprarath6615 how do you think people watch these movies most people actually read the comics before watching the movies
@@arolemaprarath6615 boy stfu I live in a first world country. Bruh you cant even type with the proper grammar dont talk. DC and marvel comics are actually good. And dont assume I'm from a third world country.
@@arolemaprarath6615 and third world countries do have iphones Huawei's. Go there first before you say all these false statements
Perhaps another video could focus on the tropes in both Eastern and Western comics.
Like, for Manga and Manwa (Korean Comics,) the enemy often ends up becoming a rival and then a friend and for Western comics, the giant crossover events!
YES SOMEONE FINALLY GETS IT!!! Manga is just comics, as an Asian American I can't stress how important this distinction (or lack there of) is. Like people need to stop being prejudice against one or the other cause they are just comics, amazing stories told in graphic novels.
Technically speaking, you have three main comic book centers in the world: Europe (mainly France and Belgium), East Asia (Japan and South Korea) and of course North America.
And this is just the main three. There are bilions of comic books produced all over world even in countries, you wouldn't expect.
Andrew Dang yeah when you kind think of it manga is really but a comic the only difference is that the pages or back words.
are*
Tell that to Antiwestern Cosplayer.
While I agree with you that manga are, in fact, just comics. I just want to say that the reason someone might think that manga is different than American comics is because in many ways, they are. There are many cultural influences ( i.e. the bombing of Hiroshima and Nagasaki, The Civil Rights Movement, etc) that make the stories that they tell vastly different, and at the same time, incredibly similar.
You should change your name from comic drake to dapper drake cos son you are killing it with that blazer and bow tie, also loved the video never thought about some of the things you brought up
The reason why comics don't sell as much as manga is because they don't say "omae wa mou shindeiru"
Comic book writers need to experience other forms of media and foreign media. It just seems like the same old format and tropes. Big monsters, quippy dialogue and shock value events, there are more kind of stories out there. Add some spice to your life.
Mangas have a story that will eventually end, and they stay in their general timeline. Marvel and DC always seem to take place in modern day, no matter what. Even if the character has been around since the 40s. This forces reboots, retcons and rewriting universes just so that Batman can still fight crime in 2017 without touching his 40s.
Plus 99.9% of US comics are superheroes. In manga, not every story is a superhero, you get lots of drama, comedy, slice of life, horror, etc. Even their superhero series has the main character not even have a costume. They're saving the world in their school uniform or martial arts gi.
You should read W.I.T.C.H because its very similar to a manga and it ended very well.
ZonTheDon *65. Apart from Marvel and DC, (image only has a few), most comic companies don’t have theses “eternal” titles.
And not every Marvel or DC comic is a fucking superhero dimwit. They just fall under that branding because they are from Marvel or DC. Like Punisher for example. He's not a superhero. He's just a guy with guns who saves innocent people. If we consider that being a super hero then so is your average every day manga protagonist. Another point I forgot to bring up is the fact that the superhero genre has many genres. Superhero can and a lot are slice of life, comedy, horror, etc. Also, uh, I'm a pretty sure a costume doesn't dictate whether or not which ones better. I like both but I hate when fans of one make stuff up to belittle the other for no reason.
@Darth Pancake Studios Exactly.
Except Berserk. That will probably not end.
always great to see comic drake upbeat and doing good...love the channel
Comic Drake---I hear your message in this video loud and clear. Yet I can't help but think your message will fall on deaf ears.
Probably one of your most interesting video, congrats on this one
I don't really read American comics, but one thing I prefer with manga over comics is the uncolored art. It's amazing how much detail manga artists can get in a single panel with just black ink. Not having color also puts less strain on your eyes so you can read much more in a single sitting. Also, with manga having ongoing story arcs, it's more like reading a novel with pictures. There's also consistancy in manga. If a character gains a power, they have it for the rest of the series unless they lose it somehow. Not like comics where heros randomly get weird new powers all willy-nilly. Even if the manga character never uses that power again, it's still referenced or one of the other characters gets the power.
Dw7freak okay a couple of things, first I can understand your opinion and the Black and white coloring but I'm pretty sure that most companies don't color their art work because it quicker to release the chapters that way. For example the reason Goku has blond hair after going super Saiyan in dragon ball is because it took to much time coloring his hair black so they used that as an excuse. Second a novel with pictures is called a Graphic novel. Third there are plenty of graphic novels based on comic book super heroes you could read is you don't what endless on going story arcs(I recommend The Dark knight returns, X-Men: God loves man kills & Watchmen). Lastly it very rare in the modern age for characters to just Willy-nilly gain or lose powers that's not at least already some what related to the powers set because as Drake said in the video eventually everything in comics returns back to a status quo.
The major reason manga goes uncoloured isn't for time but for printing costs. Manga is printed on newspaper in huge phonebook-like anthologies and so there's only so much allowance for colour images per issue.
I can believe that Dee Cross. I also just prefer the way manga characters tend to be drawn over comic characters. And yes, Akira Toriyama did state that he made Super Saiyan Goku's hair blond because it was a hassle to draw and color his hair every panel, though in the manga it was just not shaded in.
Dw7freak you know super hero comics are not the only comics out, black and white comics are everywhere also they range from allot of art styles i would recomend checking out the more indie stuff tbh
Yes! Green Lantern is my favorite superhero because the 2004 storyline drew me in. It ran for 8 years and had so many story arcs. The characters grew and developed, you got to know who they were and how they act, and a huge detailed world was made. It really felt like I was reading a massive novel. Hal Jordan is hated and despised by many and is maybe a star buster level at best, with maybe three other well known characters and one semi popular villain. By the end he's controlling Death and holding more power than a universe and nuking a guy who can control every aspect of reality across multiple universes. And leading an ensemble of maybe 50+ well established characters and millions of unknown ones in absolutely beautifully drawn pages. And theres no jump, the story makes his ascent to borderline godhood believable. Theres factions, really good villains and so much more.
It makes a lot of other comics that have like 4 issues and then a new writer seem not even worth it. Even most 20 issue storylines take a lot of the new established things a character learns and tosses it out the window. I really like how Manga characters are written by one guy and are consistent, its absolutely why GL is my favorite.
Theres a line from Animal Man (25 issues, probably the greatest, most cohesive story I've read with that few issues) that perfectly describes what bugs me about a lot of comics: too often new writers change things just to change things.
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Funny enough this video details why I like Image Comics so much. They do everything right that manga does. They have self-contained stories with endings, they’re not restricted to an already established shared universe, and they are oftentimes headed only by one writer (such as Saga and TWD).
Though I agree, we have to remember that some writers are not very responsible with established characters. Remember that there was one who had Batman capable of bench pressing 1000lbs (453kg), without any explanation. This is around today's current world record, lifted by a man who has dedicated himself to lifting (Ryan Kennelly). If this written feat of Batman is not ignored, then it would much change every Batman story written after.
The europeas marketing has a lot to offer, and , in my country , Spain, there are a lot of amazing writers , like Paco Roca, and a lot of amazing stories like Blacksad or wrinkels
i love blacksad my favorite story was Arctic Nation
Carlos Quiroga Also Asterix and Obelix is hilarious
my face when I saw an issue of the Evangelion manga in the background!
This is a perfect explanation of why I like manga more. i mean there are a lot of good looking comics but so spread out and unending.
I really like to have a single complete story with a conclusive ending.
read anything by Image, Boom!, & Dark Horse to have a complete story without the expanded universe stuff
Is your profile picture a damn JoJo reference
Hey Drake, I have a video suggestion: How comic book movies differ from the comics. I've mostly watched the movies instead of reading comics -because I'm a filthy casual- and I'd like to know a little more about the source material.
Egg Benedict ComicVine, its a good site with info pages on characters, powers, history etc.. for ALL comics, Marvel, DC, Indie etc.. I use it occasionally when I read comics and characters pop up that I don't recognize and I can just read a bit "Okay, this dude farts lasers and killed Cyclops' twin mother.. cool."
Yes.. I wrote twin mother. Intentionally, don't judge me you filthy casual! lmao
lol you guys are hilarious at making jokes.XD
Egg Benedict try 'variant comics' on TH-cam. I used to watch him when I was new to comics. Or just Wikipedia any superhero you are interested in
Thanks for all the help!
i'm really happy to see you doing more manga related content on your channel drake if i was you i would talk about manga more often and not just comic books :D anyways, keep up the good work drake also i have a question drake? will you ever do a future video on Dragon Ball Z and how it became an instant hit and how it kicked-started american's to watch anime in general?
Would you talk about manga on a new channel? Anime Drake sound like a good name
Comic Drake Any chance of a comparison of American Superheroes and My Hero Academia?
Also on a completely unrelated note remember when Uncle Ben, Gwen Stacy, and Jacen Todd were the sacred dead who would never be brought back to life?
This video was so WELL DONE! I love the rants and the background music.
inb4 what can manga learn from comics
Nothing. because there are 49+ different types of manga.
+Andrew Carmichael Implying that there are not other type of comics that are not the mainstream Superheroes, comics are not just superheroes and manga is not just shonen, you only got the last part right.
Slice of life comics and manga can learn a lot from eachother, mainstream comics and manga too, fantasy comics and manga, etc.
Manga owes its existence to comics
don't comment what is happening just in case someone doesn't get the plot or in a battle
Crypto Guy Japanese comics predate modern day comics. it might not be conventional but such a thing existed
Thats a good point what makes Manga such a huge success is its accessibility while still appealing to a core hardcore fanbase and that is exactly why manga is way more popular that comics and have more sales for example Dragon Ball ran for 11 years and has 240 million sales total outselling comic books that have been running since the 40s 50s 60s ect. in just the span of 11 years same can be said for Naruto with 220 million manga sales in just 15 years, and the biggest Juggernaut in terms of the manga world One Piece has 416 million sales right now in just the span of 20 years beating huge comic book like X-man, Spiderman, Capitan America and its seems that the manga will be going for about 10 more years maybe even more and if the sales keep going like there are now than One Piece will beat out the biggest names in comic book history that have been running since the late 30s Batman (460 million sales) and Action Comics (600 million) the accessibility is what leads to that success and a popularity.You say that comic book characters are made with the intent of going over to other mediums yet most comic book character ether stay only in the comic books or get adapted into cartoons that most of the time are aimed at children while in manga if they want to adapt a title into another medium be it anime, novel, games, Live Action ect. doesn't matter the popularity it can be a well known series or a unknown series that will get a boost in terms of sales by crossing other medium.
30's.
Some shows are aimed at adults lime Spawn and Daredevil. And comic book characters also turn into videogames but that grammar and spelling error.
Marvel movies sales 1 billion
No manga sells more than batman or superman on the all time list. One piece comes in third
2nd now. One Piece is just behind Superman now. Give it a 1 to 3 years before One Piece claim the spot for the next 10 years.
5 Years Later, comics still lagging behind in every aspect
I don't think they learned anything except how to hide their numbers better
one piece will end a better example would be detective Conan
Yeah even though one piece is really long but it still feels like its moving forward
I'm gonna cry when one piece ends
Every writer should take a look at Eiichiro Oda. The story, the plot and the devolopement of One Piece is untouchable.
And the mysteries keep you wanting more
I don't get why people say anime isn't cartoons or manga isn't comics because "the culture is different". That's stupid because Russian culture is very different from American culture yet we still say their animations are cartoons or they're graphic novels are comics, it doesn't have to be russia you can insert any other country you want.
Only weebs say that
@Manga Fury no that's exactly what weebs are saying manga isn't comics cause theyre from different culture (when you Google it that is exactly what manga means "Japanese comics") then thats being a weeb cause you're going against the actual definition cause you think American comics are inferior (that's cool we're all entitled to our opinions) "there for they're not comics" anybody who thinks like that are weebs through and through
IDENTITY MATTERS
@@pamparompa630 this is from 3 years ago and what you said doesn’t make any sense.
I’d argue most people don’t know stories that come from Russia even if they’ve probably read some. Whereas people do usually know anime and manga is Japanese.
I've noticed that in American comics there will be a panel with a character that has one facial expression but a huge speech bubble with a lot of text and to me that makes the character feel a bit emotionless. In manga on the other hand, whenever there is some kinda break up in the speech like commas, fullstops and etc there is a new panel with a different facial expression so mangas tend to be longer because they are more expressive than American comics. But this is just my opinion.
Continuity is really important in storytelling, even the Multiverse ones like
Dragon Ball or Mobile Suit Gundam has multiverses but still has a definitive serialization.
Amen, brother.
I really do enjoy this channel. Keep it up drake. I hope you get more subs soon because you deserve it.
They resurect more characters than Dragon Ball and Yu Yu Hakusho combined in the comics
Manga/ Anime is much better with their story, fight, characters, development, gore, and all of the above.
Plus the Manga would end.
The Cosmology, Cosmogony, Time Travel, and etc are simplified and not complicated like DC and Marvel.
@@georgejoestarii9469 My point exactly, One Piece is better than Marvel or DC separately and then you have the separate story lines like Infinity War and Civil war which the Storylines of Series like Naruto, Dragon Ball, and Hunter X Hunter are much better than
@@kokutensai infinity war is better than all the storylines in the manga you named
This is why I prefer reading graphic novels more than comics. Graphic novels are more consistent and tells stories in a fitting amount of pages. Collected issues are basically what mangas are, and that's what works best when it comes to reading a story.
I like how you bring up the growing prominence of indie comics. And being an avid manga reader there is two American manga that I highly recommend. They are both from Antarctic press: Ninja High School and Gold digger. Ninja High School is drawn and written primarily by Ben Dunn, the godfather of American Manga. While Gold Digger has been written and drawn by Fred Perry for over 25 years. I think he was recently given an award at the SDCC along with Wendy and Richard Pini, the creators of ElfQuest, for being among the few artists to produce their books continuously for so long. These two books have a loyal following but every NHS and GD fan want to spread the love as much as they can. Give these two books a read they might surprise you.
Great video, Drake. Keep it up!
I´m going to be completely honest here, I love comics and manga, and I´ve tried so many times to follow a comic series but is very hard, the main factor of the succes of manga over comics I think comes down to composition, American comics have this very strange thing where the way the set up the pannels comes from making it look cool, not necesarily to tell a story, altho a story can be understod from the american comics side.... I would say manga has a more "cinematic" or TVesque way of telling stories, and american comics seem to be stuck on this very weird way of drawing the pannels, don´t get me wrong, american pencilers are AMAZING artists, but the way they tell a story can become confusing, because they focus to much on the "looking cool" factor.
Agree
I got to hang out with Drake on Friday at RTX. He hung out in our room for a bit. Really nice guy. Watched a few of the videos now, and I enjoy them. Good job bro.
Curtis McGee I miss meeting him at a anime con two years ago
RTX Is Roosterteeth
i am really excited when it comes to these topics man i hope that one day maybe in a near future we are going to see an hibrid of a manga and a comic. i hope that in the future american and japanese studios work together to create masterpieces can you imagine that
great video! totally agree with you on the consiquencesin comics vs manga.
Never really thought about this but your right manga ends eventually and they usually have one writer which makes them more consistent where as the american comic industry just seems more stagnant since they can't come up with new characters or stories good points you made
One thing that is tied with genre variety in manga is that manga seems to aim for more diverse demographic than us comic. In manga you have shonen, seinen, shoujo and josei and it feels like american comic only focus on shonen expanding a bit in the seinen realm but that's it. Trying to appeal to different demographic also influence the type of story those demographic want to read. To bring girls to read more comics you have to do more than to have a woman superhero is my opinion.
Nice job on this one!
Spider-man got blessed with Ultimate Spider-man, an actual beginning to end
I need to read a manga series
TheWingedTurtle I suggest Berserk if you're fine with one of the most grotesque, messed up scenes in fiction, if you're not, then I suggest Naruto or One Piece
i also recommend the manga of attack on titan.
TheWingedTurtle I would suggest Boku no Hero academia. It's a great manga and the plot is basically what happens when a Manga author writes a Superhero story. It's near the 100 chapter mark so I think the number of chapters isn't too overwhelming and with the second season of it's Anime adaptation curently airing, it's a great time to jump into this series
TheWingedTurtle Hellsing Ultimate and Fullmetal Alchemist brotherhood are two of the best manga series ever if you ask me try those out.
ruroni kenshin.
There are a few exceptions in both mediums tough, some more obscure comics have ends, while some mangas become longruners that keep going for a long time, altough not in the same maner. Jojo is a interesting example, since itis both self contained series, and a long runner that already got one universal reset. It is a generational saga where part 1 to 6 happen onr after another, with continuity and characters being related, however there are varying timelapses between the parts, they change setting, protagonist and goal, to the point it can even feel like a diferent series.
This was great! I was terrified of starting comics for the very reason you mentioned.
love your stuff
Are there any comics made by D.C. Or Marvel that showcase the life of a family in their day to day life in that comic universe? Because I actually would like to read such a story.
Gotham Academy maybe
That's actually interesting.
Archie Comics.
Gotham Academy.
Fantastic Four.
Comics are runs by editors while manga are written by their creator. Too many cooks and all that...
Great vid!
I totally agree with this video. Started with manga and over the years made my way through comics as well.
I find DC's Vertigo line to be easily accesible for manga readers. They have many gernes with mature writting, and definitive endings. For example Sandman, V for Vendetta, Preacher, Trasmetopolitan, Y the last man etc.
A good, beginning to end comic with a single story is the first Gwenpool series, with the Manga art style. The first that came to my head. Any others that you can think of?
Shoutout to Tiger and Bunny!
Can you do a history of Wally west? Big fan by the way, and I hope for the best with you finding a full time job
Being a massive manga fan myself who is kinda interested in the American comic scene (I love batman, and wanna get into the Marvel comic universe), I found this video a breath of fresh air. Finally someone who's straight up (manga and american comics both = comics, regardless of nomenclature), but also understanding that both have uniqueness to them. What you stated in this video about manga is pretty much what I've been saying for years as pretty much the main selling point for me for manga.
Plus, I'm also a fan of the black and white art in manga as opposed to full color of their american counterparts. There's just something about it I love. Maybe it's the fact that it has a high amount of detail with the least amount of filled panels, maybe it's the fact that I'm just given the simple starting point of colors on the cover and then I'm required to fill in the blanks myself in terms of coloring while reading, maybe it's both.
"What can comics learn from manga?"
Fuckin' consistency, that's what I want in Marvel and DC XD
kinda saddened by the comments, no one seems to realize that comics have nothing to learn from manga, they are just as good
Yea but it’s obviously doing something wrong. No one reads comics anymore besides a very niche group of people, and manga is becoming more and more mainstream every year. Maybe anime because of it being a direct adaption has something to do with it.
I mean, why even bother reading comics if some great events that happened to the characters can be easily retconned & rebooted depending on different authors & sales? There's also no end in sight.
1:01 Nice cover with the video game thing instead of RPG.
Hey, i'm rather intrigued, what is the song played in the background and who is the instrumentalist ?
You say manga isn't convoluted, but Kinoku Nasu and TYPE MOON exists
Honestly, what comics can learn from manga is is getting one writer to write a particular storyline.
One of the reasons i think i love young avengers so much is each of the stories has been tied up and there is a time jump between each, give some kind of ending to look back on. Saying this, im still exited for the new series in 2019
0:15 yoooo sick Philza Minecraft cosplay.
I wanted to read Superman
Let’s just say Im strting One Piece tomorrow, because I couldn’t find the beginning
Black Adam and Zamasu shared the same fetish. Choking women.
I wish there was one series called Marvel or one series called DC and it would just shift perspectives sometime in some arcs. Maybe with spiderman or Robin as main characters. It would be like a whole shonen series.
Drake got that fresh fade haircut, I see you working.
That having one giant long ass story arc is good. In fact its great! Stuff like Dragonball and One Piece have huge arcs, and theyre a blast to read or watch. Green Lantern is my favorite superhero, and he has a story that went for 8 years. Completely revived everyone's interest in the character, created countless new profitable characters, completely built up DC like never before with new worlds, factions, places and concepts, introduced tons of new and extremely powerful villains that everyone loved and so much more. Even made a movie (although it was pretty bad) out of it because the comic was doing so well. And there was character growth! Characters got stronger over the series, got new powers and changed. Same with villains. They felt alive because there were 8 damn years to flush them out. Thats how it is with popular manga, they do the same thing. And everyone loves it! Doesn't even have to be super long, as long as its more than a few issues. A consistent 50 issue long story line like Batman Eternal or Justice League is always gonna be better than a 20 issue story that swaps writers and goes over 4 mostly unrelated events.
Also TV shows. Give them some effort at least.
well analyzed. i do agree comics and manga are the same just named differently based on locational origin.
I personally prefer the manga as a whole because as you said it can end and wont have lots of reboots. they may have continuations and what if movies etc but its at its core one story. you don't see for instance goku redone as a teacher or a diplomat. he is always this dumb fighter.
I love having a single story i can work through without having to hunt for the side aspects of the story and such. i think thats why at first i liked ultimate marvel because it felt like it didn't have a million books i had to know about to fully enjoy. sadly it got a lot of the flaws i see in marvel with re aliving and retconing and expanding to overwhelming levels.
Also in my experience I agree with you it's easier to get than is a because they have more than one series like Uncanny X-Men astonishing X-Men New Mutants Generation X X-Factor X-Force then you Wolverine by himself Alpha flight Wolverine will also be part of the New Avengers from time to time it in as you said Amazing Spider-Man Spectacular Spider-Man Peter Parker Spider-Man Peter Parker The Spectacular Spider-Man Web of Spiderman friendly neighborhood Spider-Man Ultimate Spider-Man Spider-Man Unlimited too many different series also they have reboots different writers different authors different artist manga it's one story from start to finish 1 series one writer one artist one author so yeah
What's the background music here, Drake? I dig it.
One thing that hasn't really been mentioned is the pacing, panel layout and frequency of speech bubbles. This all boils down to pacing though. I think manga takes time to let the emotion sink in. They have tons of bg panels and panels of closeups or even plants and insects that really helps the reader "embrace the moment". Nothing happens while at the same time a lot does. When it comes to speech bubbles, manga has a new bubble for every sentence. Each bubble is a line and so you will have a lot more bubbles and pages in a manga. But in return this makes the dialogue and story flow better imo. I think it's weird when I read a discussion back and forth between characters in the same panel in American comics. It just doesn't flow well. I can't see the character's reaction to that point in the discussio etc.
I also think the panelling in manga flows better and is more creative.
DC and Marvel need to have actual stakes to their stories. Have them grow, change, and have endings. Pass on mantles, or have mantles end. Crossovers and Events should not take up a character's primary title, but instead be told in a separate miniseries. Make it feel like a real fictional universe.
Hey Drake I actually WANT to be a comic book writer. But the problem is I don't want to publish it to marvel or DC because I would prefer my story be in it's own universe with it's own characters and Plot and Not Apart of a shared universe. If I were to publish to DC or Marvel what are the chances they would let me keep it in my own little universe. PLEASE REPLY.
Maybe Webtoon?
they wouldn't let you keep the characters. You're better of doing webcomics or try to do image
@@ByTheStorm Dark Horse will give you can fun non canon Alien/Predator mash ups
Prepare to see these arguments all over the internet now in manga vs comic discussions.
Pwyll its pretty calm right now
thanks for the tips