Much agreed ! My local "Lumberjack Harley Davidson"dealer in East Texas here, same policy, they AUTOMATICALLY wholesale out most all or all Metric trade-ins. I got my 2008 V-Strom 650 in perfect low miles condition from a used motorcycle dealer after an HD dealer wholesaled it to them lol ! This V-Strom is the finest most versatile & trouble free bike & I've had a dozen over the years from Dirt to Street to Enduro. I'm 60 & it could very well be the last bike I ever need lol
I have my '06 DL650 with 60,000 trouble free miles and I've ridden it on some pretty sketchy mountain and desert backroads. I'll hand it down to my son in a few years.
I think that car was a Nash Metropolitan. Not a boat car sadly, just a '50s attempt at an economy subcompact. KLR kinda feels like a weird bike to have in your neck of the woods, really makes more sense somewhere with mountains and twistier roads imo.
Yep, was a Nash Metropolitan Convertible. Seafoam Green or Baby Blue both with white secondary were main first 2 colors of vehicle. Came as 3 types, Convertible, fixed roof, and a way less made hard top removable. Somebody where I live in Pierre South Dakota area had one for years before they moved to a super conservative part of Texas in 2010's when they retired, a part so conservative now if any LGBT+ come to town to live they end up missing within a week even if person is as conservative as everyone else in area on all but Same Sex marriage.
Man, these videos kill me, what great deals! LOL None of my local H-D dealers carry any used anything other than more H-D, even then, there's very few of those and always priced like new. I honestly think they send all non Harley trade-in's straight to auction, and keep their few overpriced used bikes as a sales tool to get people to opt for the new bike instead. On the other side of the coin, I've found the best place to buy a used Harley is at a Honda dealer!
@@craigbannister7826 them, too, also! My local Indian/Triumph/Kawi dealer always has great bargains on used. Just not the local Harley dealers, they're still living their lockdown prices fantasy. 🙄
One thing ive always liked about HD is that they hold their value like no other motorcycles but its a pain when you wanna buy one. Good if you own one though.
I second it, Nash Metropolitan for that unknown car. Neighbour had a pinkish & white one in the early 70s & it was old then. Rare sighting! Great bikes V-Stroms. Nice video. Cheers from Canada, Ronny
Bert - great overview Brother. V-Strom 650 rider here, LOVE IT ! I'd probably dig a KLR650 parked right next to her too. Those two are oriented in opposite like 60 / 40 % Road to Dirt & then 40 / 60 %, so whichever surfaces are your default, choose accordingly. Funny way you put things - uh Roger that at 11:05 mark. Remember that we all sin & therefore we've all earned Hell not Heaven. The GREAT news is God has forgiven ALL who admit this & call upon Him JESUS CHRIST the LORD, Savior & KING ! PS I'm touring my V-Strom to Destin Florida very soon, from East Texas. Godspeed to you Bert !
Niccce! I'm a proud 2023 klr owner and you hit the nail on the head. Better road manners then a normal dirt bike but... still a dirt bike lol couldn't be happier with mine. The support and availability for anything klr is astronomical.
Me too here in Ohio. But if I buy my bike at Berts, that means I'll have already found a retirement house in Florida and moved, living and riding all year long.
ADV bikes were invented when somebody put knobbies on a sport tourer and took it camping. If you like that idea, then there's no shame in the ADV game. Besides, what about us tall guys? Do you know how hard it is to get through the woods on a Breakout? We need these kinds of bikes!
Hey Josh I bought my KLR,(same model you road), last year and absolutely love it. Upgraded to 16 tooth front sprocket and she rolls long at 75 all day easy npw if I should choose. Bought her for the 99 percent of my riding back roads and rural routes were no matter what I was on previoiusly never saw speeds over 60. No worry about ever being stranded due to the reliability and 6 gallon tank. Also for me it is absolutely the most comfortable best riding bike I've ever owned. A National Cycles windscreen and Happy Trails centerstand are the only othe mods I;ve done, njust waiting till I have the money saved to replace the ridiculously large heavy exhaust can. Great vis as always good sir!
I’ve read up on that and from what I have found not something to worry about until 35,000 miles at least. Also, have read that proper maintenance and vigilance in adjustment you may never have to replace it. At any rate it seems a pretty straightforward replacement. I plan on keeping my eye on it and if Still have this bike by 35,000 and I am out of adjustment I will replace.
Gator Harley in Leesburg, FL sells metric trades as well Good prices and easy to work with. I'd personally recommend a sales guy named Keith there, no bs with him. I have never been able to get a decent deal at barracuda or black widow myself.
I sold my V-Strom 650 due to health reasons and you’re right about the engine, it is very quick. I went on a trip with 2 Goldwing riders who were "worried" that I wouldn’t be able to keep up, they were in my mirrors a majority of the time on the highway and when on twisty back roads I kept having to pull over and wait for them. It was entertaining to watch them panic when we took some gravel backroads! The only thing negative I would say is it is very top heavy.
KLR650 MENTIONED! (froths at mouth) They are great bikes. They do all the bike things except go fast. Rode from MD to the campout on my Gen1 twice. THAT SAID, it's definitely a "Avoid Highways" bike. I would reluctantly agree that of the 3, the V-Strom is probably the best value for money. Highway miles are much easier. It will handle off pavement duties to get you to the camp site and a little more. But, if you are at all inclined to hop curbs, explore hobo trails and ride around the locked gate, the KLR is the better bike. Currently saddling an Aprilia Tuareg 660.
Owning 650 adventra and having ridden a versys, I would say they're roughly comparable, the shifter is better of the cfmoto but the fueling is is less consistent(there is abrupt change at around 3k that's annoying in stop and go traffic)
@@shadrach5681 I actually vote XR650L instead of either, but that's me. All three of those bikes are dirt focused, and if I'm going to have a dirt focued bike it should be the best at dirt with the street being second, and the xr650 is better than the dr650 at dirt, if you wanted a bike better for long miles and Street riding(maybe highway but definitely not interstate) I would vote klr650, the dr650 is right between the 2
@jaykoerner I agree, the XR is more dirt focused. Lack of cush drive would not be comfortable on the street. I like the oil cooler on the DR, in a pinch it can be bypassed. The XR is air cooled, oil cooler kits exist but it should be stock. The KLR being liquid cooled is a flaw for me. I like the apocalypse reliability. The XR also doesn't have as much aftermarket available as the DR. However, if one really wants the BEST of all in this class, hands down the XR650R! Absolute animal but I'm not sure about riding across the country on it. Lol
I had over 95K miles on my 2003 VStrom. Sold it a few years ago and it's still going strong. I've been riding since 1961 and have never had as much moto for as little money as the VStrom.
You know what’s at my local Harley dealer? CVO ultra limited, CVO Roadglide, CVO Streetglide, Roadglide special, Roadglide ST, Streetglide ST, with about 30 bikes total, average price in that place is literally like 35-40, absolutely insane.
Vstrom 650 was my first bike and I loved beating the hell out of that thing. The great thing about the Vstrom is that you'll never get bored of it, the bad thing about it is that you'll never get bored of it so you might never get another bike.
Thanks for a brief round up of Bert's ADV bikes! Another trio of pocket book friendly moto candy ridden and reviewed by the empresario himself. That Camo KLR looked crisp...Strictly Matching tie and Hankerchief ridden. 🦄Keep up the good work and telling people about Forgotten Angels.
My stomach hurts from laughing at the Vstrom commentary!! OMG that's freaking funny. Female rider of a 650 WeeStrom & I ABSOLUTELY love my bike! It flits through the paved twisties like a butterfly and can handle it's own on gravel / forest service roads. I will never look at a fellow single male V'stromer the same again, lol!
I have a 2008 V-Strom 650 that sat for 10 years. I got it running again and love it! Nowhere near the power of my Rocket III, but it’s a fun and practical bike. Good thing I have enough kids, because apparently I’m infertile now that I own a V-Strom! 😎
Suzuki Vstrom is an amazing bike. Runs on 87 gas and flys. Little kids love them. I get some many children amazed by my Suzuki. My Dyna only attracted middle aged men.
As an European weirdo I'll throw my two cents: There are 2 or 3 brands that use that same platform 550-800cc parallel twin. Some are Chinese like CF some are owned by the Chinese like Benelli, Rieju and Macbor. These brands got a much needed revival or makeover and they are some of the best selling adventure bikes at the moment, specially in Italy, Spain, Portugal or France where you have all year long riding weather. Case in point the Benelli TRK702 X, even in Portugal where any vehicle is taxed to hell and back, you can ride out of the door with one plus a full set of aluminum saddle bags plus top case for less than 8000 euros. This is a 70hp PROPER brand new adventure bike that just by the price point alone makes any BMW look silly. Comes with all the bells and whistles you'd expect like spoked wheels that take tubeless tires, abs, fully adjustable suspension and so on. Since they are quite cheap (and the lower spec ones are even cheaper like the 502) most independent reviewers just buy them so there is not really a bias when they test them and trust me, some Italian guys took a trk 502 to fakkin' NEPAL. The first time I saw a Macbor I legit thought it was a new model of BMW. Also, since we are talking about riding everything all of these brands also offer smaller displacement urban models that can be ridden with a car license. Now, I hear you ask: whattabout the quality?! Reliability?! Ill be honest, some of the more basic models are built down to a price and you kinda get what you pay for but, engine, suspension and electronics wise, they aren't any better or worse that any other Asian brand maybe apart from Honda, because... Honda. The rant is getting quite long, I'll shut up now.
Every bike I had prior to my current bike (2017 HD Fatboy S) didn't have ABS, so I was used to gear breaking and being extra careful with the breaking systems. No S"kidding" lol. My Fatboy was my first bike with ABS and I must say, it was a game changer in how it affected my overall riding skill. It would seem that it wouldn't do that but it did. With a bit more confidence in the breaking area, I tend to get in and out of traffic much better now. My personal preference.
My sister and her boyfriend had a springer like that but with blue stripes. Now they're both gone. My youngest nephew recently got the bike back and we're planning a full restoration on it.
Hell yeah! One of my bikes is a KLR just like that. I Dadventure daily commuting to work on that thing. It Cosplays harder than a Lot Lizard during 2 Fer Tuesdays specials.
Very excited to watch this cause I've been debating on getting this bikes little brother the klx 300 as a second bike( my first bike was a pos didn't run long)
I just looked at my local harley dealers website. Super accurate. Great deals on non harley adv style. KLR with a 1000 miles, 2022 for near $5k and probably could go lower.
Suzuki's 650 v-twin has surprising amounts of power. The SV650, even the oldest model, is an awesome bike. Now, CF Moto does have an 800 parallell twin in both a naked and an ADV form that seems real similar to the KTM 800.
The vstrom “rips” because its not the 650 version. It’s the vstrom 1050. Cf moto use cloned kawazaki engines ( kawazaki versys 650) , not ktm as stated.
I intercepted a 2022 BMW r1250GS at my local HD dealer in Carson City, Nevada. It was headed for auction. Only 571 miles and I stole it for $14,500. Per my local BMW dealer, this bike retails for $20,000
Every Harley dealer I've seen has a huge sign, "We Buy Bikes" - so this is another reason you might find a selection of all types of used cycles. PS. I've toured on a V-Strom and the engine is butter-smooth! Literally heard the chain over the motor, and PLENTY of power for 2-up riding, too. The KLR is a great cult choice - except for the lack of TUBELESS tires for touring!
A few weeks ago I tested the CFMOTO 800NK and it's amazing. Yes the motor is KTM, the Jjuan brakes are basically Brembos and the design Italian. The quality is wayyyy better than I thought, so next week is mine. New for 8240 euros 😁 Hi from Greece. PS The Advance model.
You have to pay TT&L no matter where you buy a bike. That’s not a markup. It’s the price of buying any bike you’re going to put on the street. Even if you buy it from your neighbor.
I bought a used Harley from my local Harely dealer. When I bought it, it was in the back, on a lift, getting a full service. That is what your 600 dollar dealer prep fee pays for. All the maintenance being done, the recall on the ABS being done, the bike washed and test rode. The dealership has to pay for the coolant, the oil, the mechanic's labor. Personally, I'd rather pay the 600 bucks, and know my bike has been thoroughly looked over, anything broken fixed, and that I need not worry about any fluids for at least the next 4000 miles.
I gotta stop watch’in right now and take a moment to laud your rapid fire use of euphemisms and southern colloquialisms that pepper your reviews along with your car salesman”ass for every seat” style of hard sell. Hilarious, but when peeled away there are facts that count and by the time your done with a bike review, in my mind I practically own it. Brother you can talk the chicken off the bone!! The reviews target a broad swathe of rider audience and truly get into rider nuance and quality Vs. Cost. Really enjoy the channel. Hope you review the RE interceptor 650 someday soon. Hopefully see you at Americade in the Adirondack mountains this year? That is a bike shindig that that has people showing up on everything from Zundapps to classic HOGS. What ya say?thanks brother, awesome channel
Facts that count such as "motorcycles don't need ABS"? Dude you're getting fooled by the funny character. This guy is completely clueless. As you've said, he's got the car salesman charisma, but he knows nothing about what he's selling.
I bought a cfmoto 650 adventra for 4100 new out the door was 4500, with a 2 year warranty, 3900 seems high Also it has 60hp not 30 They cant do a 1200cc for tariff reasons, there is a 25% tarrif on motorcycles not built in the us over 750cc, it would add 2+ grand to the price to keep the profit margins
That's some good advice, I'd never think of going to an HD to get non-HD bikes. CF MOTO is killing it lately, from what I've seen on TH-cam. I'm in California where CF MOTO is not allowed due to smog laws. I don't know man, I disagree about what Americans want since there is a huge segment of small displacement bikes like the Grom, etc. Oh, also as adventure bikes in the sand, give me a 250 over a 1000 ANY DAY of the week because the 1000 will sink in the sand as the 250 flies by.
When I was younger I read many story's about crossing the sahara desert on 2 wheels.......I think my old bike MZ ETZ 251 would be perfect for that trip. Well look at itchy boots traveing the whole of South and North America and now africa on a 300cc dirt bike.
I have a '08 KLR650 which I ride all the time, and a 2010 Harley FLHTK which I don't ride so much. I know KLR 650's and believe me I know Harley Stealerships very well. I been riding since the 1960's. $3000 for a used KLR650 is about the going price. My 2008, which I bought new was $4200 in 2008.
These vids are sick brother. Gives us all insight into bikes we don't typically get to ride. Insight from a truthful, apple pie eatin', cheeseburger smashing red blooded American! Shadetree baby!
I've noticed something about stat sheet warriors, aka, those that always want to talk horsepower, and what do dads this or that bike has. They never talk about rides. Me, my bike is just something to take me on trips. Sure, its fast, I've done low 12s on it in the quarter, but I've also riden it from Oklahoma to Albuquerque, from Oklahoma to Winston Saleem and it has been a wealth of adventures. I have no idea how many torques it has though.
My problem with ADV bikes is you either get fully off road like the T7 and PanAm or you get fully on road touring bikes with no offroad capability. There really is nothing in between. They also don't sell anything without a bunch of electronics I don't want which jacks the price 3-4 grand more than it should be.
@@niceguyrides They are more off road oriented than most of the adv riders will ever need. No they aren't dirt bikes which are hard core off road. The problem is the more road oriented bikes only come in cast rims and the adv's like t7 only come in knobby tires. I can't get a road bike with some off road stuff and road tires. I expect you could order the tires and rims you want with the bike you want but it'll cost you extra instead of being an option. The vstrom does the best to fit what I'm after but their design and colour scheme department is seriously over paid.
@@ADobbin1 I think your definition of an "adventure" bike is basically a touring bike. There has to be something that differentiates the category. That would be off-road worthiness. The PanAm and GS1300s of the world are middle of the road adventure bike. Too big to be anything more that middle of the road. The 890 adventure and Tuareg 660 are heavily skewed to dirt riding. The T7 can get there but the suspension is limiting. I guess the newer models with the upgraded suspension can fill the bill, but the stock t7 is best left on fire roads and pavement. The Taureg is a great road and off-road bike, so I am not sure what you are talking about. Ducati also has a capable tourer that can handle off-road, but can slay in the twisties. Plenty of bikes are build for mild off-roading. The new V-strom XT is also smack in the middle ground and the Transalp. The missing part of the segment is bikes that are light enough to do single-track and can still do serious road miles. We have none of those. We have some single-cylinder thumpers that will vibrate you to death, but no capable twins from reputable companies.
@@niceguyrides I guess the problem is the way they are being marketed. I've only really seen the T7, PanAm and other ADV's marketed as a rally bike with pros doing serious off roading in mountains and deserts and stuff. I want something that is upright and rugged enough to handle the increasingly rough pavement conditions as we slowly go bankrupt without being shaken apart. I don't need knobby tires, traction control and rider modes.
@@ADobbin1 Marketing aside, they have plenty of options in that category. The V-strom being the most synonymous (any V-strom). The XT Adventures has some very road biased tires anyway, and serious off-road will require a tire swap. You will be fine when you hit the gravel roads or fire roads (in good weather). I mean it is literally marketed for what you are talking about. From their website: "Renowned for versatility, reliability, and value, Suzuki's V-Strom 650 models have attracted many riders who use their motorcycles for touring, commuting, or a fun ride when the spirit moves them. These are touchstone motorcycles balanced with a natural riding position, comfortable seat, and a flexible engine character that produces stress-free riding during brief daily use or a high-mile adventure." I think many times the marketing is misrepresenting the product. If you ride a T7 over the dunes like a rally bike, you'll be bucked off in a second... You need $1500 worth of suspension upgrades for that.
I know that's crazy they think all of this new modern stuff supposed to make the bike in my book it just made the bike more complicated and more expensive I personally bought the most basic bark I could find a Honda 2023 XR150L And it's a blast under 3000/2,971 and purrs like a kitten😊😊😊
Hey buddy love your videos I want to learn to ride I'm a little older for starting but love what you do live in lower alabama am pretty short 5'5 would love some guidance you awesome
Much agreed !
My local "Lumberjack Harley Davidson"dealer in East Texas here, same policy, they AUTOMATICALLY wholesale out
most all or all Metric trade-ins.
I got my 2008 V-Strom 650 in perfect low miles condition from a used motorcycle dealer after an HD dealer wholesaled it to them lol !
This V-Strom is the finest most versatile & trouble free bike & I've had a dozen over the years from Dirt to Street to Enduro.
I'm 60 & it could very well be the last bike I ever need lol
Ride that SV650 Hard… Great machine
I have my '06 DL650 with 60,000 trouble free miles and I've ridden it on some pretty sketchy mountain and desert backroads. I'll hand it down to my son in a few years.
I think that car was a Nash Metropolitan. Not a boat car sadly, just a '50s attempt at an economy subcompact.
KLR kinda feels like a weird bike to have in your neck of the woods, really makes more sense somewhere with mountains and twistier roads imo.
Yep, was a Nash Metropolitan Convertible. Seafoam Green or Baby Blue both with white secondary were main first 2 colors of vehicle. Came as 3 types, Convertible, fixed roof, and a way less made hard top removable. Somebody where I live in Pierre South Dakota area had one for years before they moved to a super conservative part of Texas in 2010's when they retired, a part so conservative now if any LGBT+ come to town to live they end up missing within a week even if person is as conservative as everyone else in area on all but Same Sex marriage.
A family down the street from me had a red and white one in the 70s. I could be wrong, but I think you were able to order those from a Sears catalog.
Man, these videos kill me, what great deals! LOL None of my local H-D dealers carry any used anything other than more H-D, even then, there's very few of those and always priced like new. I honestly think they send all non Harley trade-in's straight to auction, and keep their few overpriced used bikes as a sales tool to get people to opt for the new bike instead. On the other side of the coin, I've found the best place to buy a used Harley is at a Honda dealer!
Indian carries hd just fyi
@@craigbannister7826 them, too, also! My local Indian/Triumph/Kawi dealer always has great buys on used.
@@craigbannister7826 them, too, also! My local Indian/Triumph/Kawi dealer always has great bargains on used. Just not the local Harley dealers, they're still living their lockdown prices fantasy. 🙄
One thing ive always liked about HD is that they hold their value like no other motorcycles but its a pain when you wanna buy one. Good if you own one though.
I second it, Nash Metropolitan for that unknown car. Neighbour had a pinkish & white one in the early 70s & it was old then. Rare sighting! Great bikes V-Stroms. Nice video. Cheers from Canada, Ronny
Bert - great overview Brother.
V-Strom 650 rider here, LOVE IT !
I'd probably dig a KLR650 parked right next to her too.
Those two are oriented in opposite like 60 / 40 % Road to Dirt & then 40 / 60 %, so whichever surfaces are your default, choose accordingly.
Funny way you put things - uh Roger that at 11:05 mark.
Remember that we all sin & therefore we've all earned Hell not Heaven.
The GREAT news is God has forgiven ALL who admit this & call upon Him JESUS CHRIST the LORD, Savior & KING !
PS I'm touring my V-Strom to Destin Florida very soon, from East Texas.
Godspeed to you Bert !
Niccce! I'm a proud 2023 klr owner and you hit the nail on the head. Better road manners then a normal dirt bike but... still a dirt bike lol couldn't be happier with mine. The support and availability for anything klr is astronomical.
Makes me wish Bert’s wasn’t 1400 miles away from me
I have always thought buying any Harley Davidson was an adventure, love the work you and your merry band do from Adelaide, Australia.
With the condition of our local roads.
An adv enduro bike would be a good idea.
Tell me about it; I'm in Michigan
Me too here in Ohio.
But if I buy my bike at Berts, that means I'll have already found a retirement house in Florida and moved, living and riding all year long.
@@keithhuntsman9455 with global warming we will be riding year-round up here in the midwest
@@skipnasty8057That'll be cool hopefully it happens soon just not too hot.
You should see roads in PA. Craters bro, craters.
ADV bikes were invented when somebody put knobbies on a sport tourer and took it camping. If you like that idea, then there's no shame in the ADV game. Besides, what about us tall guys? Do you know how hard it is to get through the woods on a Breakout? We need these kinds of bikes!
That’s a V-Strom 1000! I love mine!
How can you tell the DL1000 from DL650 ?
My V-Strom DL650 looks near identical.
Thx David
The charging port location on the dash, the body of the bike, gas tank
I have a 23 pan am that is the best bike I’ve ever had. Huge leap forward for Harley. Hope they keep coming out with cool bikes like that.
Hey Josh I bought my KLR,(same model you road), last year and absolutely love it. Upgraded to 16 tooth front sprocket and she rolls long at 75 all day easy npw if I should choose. Bought her for the 99 percent of my riding back roads and rural routes were no matter what I was on previoiusly never saw speeds over 60. No worry about ever being stranded due to the reliability and 6 gallon tank. Also for me it is absolutely the most comfortable best riding bike I've ever owned. A National Cycles windscreen and Happy Trails centerstand are the only othe mods I;ve done, njust waiting till I have the money saved to replace the ridiculously large heavy exhaust can. Great vis as always good sir!
And the doo-hickey?
I’ve read up on that and from what I have found not something to worry about until 35,000 miles at least. Also, have read that proper maintenance and vigilance in adjustment you may never have to replace it. At any rate it seems a pretty straightforward replacement. I plan on keeping my eye on it and if Still have this bike by 35,000 and I am out of adjustment I will replace.
"Quake like a Jake Brake"? LMAO!!!!
Gator Harley in Leesburg, FL sells metric trades as well
Good prices and easy to work with.
I'd personally recommend a sales guy named Keith there, no bs with him.
I have never been able to get a decent deal at barracuda or black widow myself.
"I choose you, ADV-Pachoo!". LOL. Pokemon stats... You kill me, man.
9:03 these are pure GOLD on the Rocky Mountain side of New Mexico and everything north and south of it.
Cool bikes for sure! My pick would be the V-Strom. The Versys is also really nice along with the Tenere/Tracer and the Africa Twin obviously as well.
KLR650. I just got rid of the 2000 KLR650 that I had for over 20 years. Does nothing great, but is ultra reliable and super easy to maintain.
I sold my V-Strom 650 due to health reasons and you’re right about the engine, it is very quick. I went on a trip with 2 Goldwing riders who were "worried" that I wouldn’t be able to keep up, they were in my mirrors a majority of the time on the highway and when on twisty back roads I kept having to pull over and wait for them. It was entertaining to watch them panic when we took some gravel backroads! The only thing negative I would say is it is very top heavy.
I think the best part about this channel is the vibe, keep it up brother
do i have to be drunk or taking the same acid(lsd) to get that vibe?
KLR650 MENTIONED! (froths at mouth) They are great bikes. They do all the bike things except go fast. Rode from MD to the campout on my Gen1 twice. THAT SAID, it's definitely a "Avoid Highways" bike. I would reluctantly agree that of the 3, the V-Strom is probably the best value for money. Highway miles are much easier. It will handle off pavement duties to get you to the camp site and a little more. But, if you are at all inclined to hop curbs, explore hobo trails and ride around the locked gate, the KLR is the better bike.
Currently saddling an Aprilia Tuareg 660.
Owning 650 adventra and having ridden a versys, I would say they're roughly comparable, the shifter is better of the cfmoto but the fueling is is less consistent(there is abrupt change at around 3k that's annoying in stop and go traffic)
The DR650 is a significantly better bike than the KLR. It's a blank canvas to do with what you want and has a MUCH larger aftermarket parts market.
@@shadrach5681 I actually vote XR650L instead of either, but that's me. All three of those bikes are dirt focused, and if I'm going to have a dirt focued bike it should be the best at dirt with the street being second, and the xr650 is better than the dr650 at dirt, if you wanted a bike better for long miles and Street riding(maybe highway but definitely not interstate) I would vote klr650, the dr650 is right between the 2
@jaykoerner I agree, the XR is more dirt focused. Lack of cush drive would not be comfortable on the street. I like the oil cooler on the DR, in a pinch it can be bypassed. The XR is air cooled, oil cooler kits exist but it should be stock. The KLR being liquid cooled is a flaw for me. I like the apocalypse reliability. The XR also doesn't have as much aftermarket available as the DR.
However, if one really wants the BEST of all in this class, hands down the XR650R! Absolute animal but I'm not sure about riding across the country on it. Lol
Great value dad jeans. That cracked me up pretty good.
I had over 95K miles on my 2003 VStrom. Sold it a few years ago and it's still going strong.
I've been riding since 1961 and have never had as much moto for as little money as the VStrom.
You know what’s at my local Harley dealer? CVO ultra limited, CVO Roadglide, CVO Streetglide, Roadglide special, Roadglide ST, Streetglide ST, with about 30 bikes total, average price in that place is literally like 35-40, absolutely insane.
Glad to see the dung beetle and really love this kind of video and the variety of bikes they have available. Take care and be safe
Vstrom 650 was my first bike and I loved beating the hell out of that thing. The great thing about the Vstrom is that you'll never get bored of it, the bad thing about it is that you'll never get bored of it so you might never get another bike.
I’ve had 2 KLR’s! Loved them!
Shadetree's got it right. Ride what you got. Get some of those plastic tool boxes at Home Depot for your saddlebags. No excuses. Do it now.
True,found my moto guzzi v85tt with 131 miles on it with a 500 dollars of upgrades on it at about 30% off list price,great buy,thanks HD of San marcos
Thanks for a brief round up of Bert's ADV bikes! Another trio of pocket book friendly moto candy ridden and reviewed by the empresario himself. That Camo KLR looked crisp...Strictly Matching tie and Hankerchief ridden. 🦄Keep up the good work and telling people about Forgotten Angels.
Damn, thanks for the pickle money my man!! It’s very much appreciated!!
My stomach hurts from laughing at the Vstrom commentary!! OMG that's freaking funny. Female rider of a 650 WeeStrom & I ABSOLUTELY love my bike! It flits through the paved twisties like a butterfly and can handle it's own on gravel / forest service roads. I will never look at a fellow single male V'stromer the same again, lol!
I have a 2008 V-Strom 650 that sat for 10 years. I got it running again and love it! Nowhere near the power of my Rocket III, but it’s a fun and practical bike.
Good thing I have enough kids, because apparently I’m infertile now that I own a V-Strom! 😎
Between the pokemon, ménaje a moí, and the cooter references I was rolling. Thank you.
I RODE THE CF MOTO 650 ONE I RODE IN THIS VID
Well no THAT one but that model,when my bike was broken loaned one of these,was amazing
Cool man Some of the things you say just crack me up
Every once and a while you sound just like they guy who makes the divorced dad card videos and it makes me happy
Suzuki Vstrom is an amazing bike. Runs on 87 gas and flys. Little kids love them. I get some many children amazed by my Suzuki. My Dyna only attracted middle aged men.
That was the 1000 and calls for premium fuel.
Rebuilding the engine in my twin cam softail and that’s an adventure in and of itself!
Hey Shadetree, I love your take on bikes, my friend! Always enjoy your videos!
As an European weirdo I'll throw my two cents: There are 2 or 3 brands that use that same platform 550-800cc parallel twin. Some are Chinese like CF some are owned by the Chinese like Benelli, Rieju and Macbor. These brands got a much needed revival or makeover and they are some of the best selling adventure bikes at the moment, specially in Italy, Spain, Portugal or France where you have all year long riding weather. Case in point the Benelli TRK702 X, even in Portugal where any vehicle is taxed to hell and back, you can ride out of the door with one plus a full set of aluminum saddle bags plus top case for less than 8000 euros. This is a 70hp PROPER brand new adventure bike that just by the price point alone makes any BMW look silly. Comes with all the bells and whistles you'd expect like spoked wheels that take tubeless tires, abs, fully adjustable suspension and so on. Since they are quite cheap (and the lower spec ones are even cheaper like the 502) most independent reviewers just buy them so there is not really a bias when they test them and trust me, some Italian guys took a trk 502 to fakkin' NEPAL.
The first time I saw a Macbor I legit thought it was a new model of BMW. Also, since we are talking about riding everything all of these brands also offer smaller displacement urban models that can be ridden with a car license.
Now, I hear you ask: whattabout the quality?! Reliability?! Ill be honest, some of the more basic models are built down to a price and you kinda get what you pay for but, engine, suspension and electronics wise, they aren't any better or worse that any other Asian brand maybe apart from Honda, because... Honda.
The rant is getting quite long, I'll shut up now.
Every bike I had prior to my current bike (2017 HD Fatboy S) didn't have ABS, so I was used to gear breaking and being extra careful with the breaking systems. No S"kidding" lol.
My Fatboy was my first bike with ABS and I must say, it was a game changer in how it affected my overall riding skill. It would seem that it wouldn't do that but it did.
With a bit more confidence in the breaking area, I tend to get in and out of traffic much better now.
My personal preference.
My sister and her boyfriend had a springer like that but with blue stripes. Now they're both gone. My youngest nephew recently got the bike back and we're planning a full restoration on it.
What happened to them
Hell yeah! One of my bikes is a KLR just like that. I Dadventure daily commuting to work on that thing. It Cosplays harder than a Lot Lizard during 2 Fer Tuesdays specials.
Very excited to watch this cause I've been debating on getting this bikes little brother the klx 300 as a second bike( my first bike was a pos didn't run long)
You're making me want to buy from them
I was thinking the same...
Your take on the vstrom it’s basically the “RUSH” of motorcycles 😂
I just looked at my local harley dealers website. Super accurate. Great deals on non harley adv style. KLR with a 1000 miles, 2022 for near $5k and probably could go lower.
Suzuki's 650 v-twin has surprising amounts of power. The SV650, even the oldest model, is an awesome bike.
Now, CF Moto does have an 800 parallell twin in both a naked and an ADV form that seems real similar to the KTM 800.
the KLR worked out really well on the rough streets of Chicago
Yes, the engine on the KLR is said to be Underwhelming and then there's the "doohickey". That has kept me from buying one.
Just change the doohickey, with all the install tools from Eagle Mike, your at $200. I own a KLR.
The vstrom “rips” because its not the 650 version. It’s the vstrom 1050.
Cf moto use cloned kawazaki engines ( kawazaki versys 650) , not ktm as stated.
That background music during the Vstrom sounds like Blaster Master, an old Nintendo game that takes me back
Where is the FXR
That car is definitely a metropolitan. One of my favorite cars. I know it's not a hot rod.lmao
I own a stock '99 Heritage Springer last year evolution motor is bulletproof. She rides like a dream.
These are awesome. N I can't wait to look at another moto... i am going to look at what Bert has. Thanks for doing these vids cheers
Great video! Keep up the excellent work!
I intercepted a 2022 BMW r1250GS at my local HD dealer in Carson City, Nevada. It was headed for auction. Only 571 miles and I stole it for $14,500. Per my local BMW dealer, this bike retails for $20,000
I chuckled when you called KLR650 "light"
Vstrom 1000, I wish my 650 could power wheelie but not a chance.
Berts is a great place and the price is on the bikes big plus i think 👌👌💯✌️
KLR life in the slow lane! Very animated Shadetree, good Vid.
CF Moto has the rights to the Kawasaki 650 Vesys engine.
I think that particular cfmoto model is based on the Versys 650 motor so a fairly proven engine
Was looking for this. Yeah it’s a Kawasaki 650 clone. The Ibex 800 is the KTM clone.
Every Harley dealer I've seen has a huge sign, "We Buy Bikes" - so this is another reason you might find a selection of all types of used cycles. PS. I've toured on a V-Strom and the engine is butter-smooth! Literally heard the chain over the motor, and PLENTY of power for 2-up riding, too. The KLR is a great cult choice - except for the lack of TUBELESS tires for touring!
A few weeks ago I tested the CFMOTO 800NK and it's amazing. Yes the motor is KTM, the Jjuan brakes are basically Brembos and the design Italian. The quality is wayyyy better than I thought, so next week is mine. New for 8240 euros 😁 Hi from Greece. PS The Advance model.
Agree with you 100%. I picked up a 2014 Suzuki V-Strom 660 for about $3k. Great first bike.
All prices at Bert's are "plus, plus." One of the plusses is a dealer fee of $600. The other plus is tax, title, and registration.
You have to pay TT&L no matter where you buy a bike. That’s not a markup. It’s the price of buying any bike you’re going to put on the street. Even if you buy it from your neighbor.
I bought a used Harley from my local Harely dealer. When I bought it, it was in the back, on a lift, getting a full service. That is what your 600 dollar dealer prep fee pays for. All the maintenance being done, the recall on the ABS being done, the bike washed and test rode. The dealership has to pay for the coolant, the oil, the mechanic's labor. Personally, I'd rather pay the 600 bucks, and know my bike has been thoroughly looked over, anything broken fixed, and that I need not worry about any fluids for at least the next 4000 miles.
Got a cfmoto 650nk myself (same engine as the adv bike) They Haul at 8k+. hits 100+mph in 3rd gear.
LET IT CODDIWOMPLE!!! YEEEEEEEEEEEEEEYE ⚡️
Picked up my storm 650 in 2013, I think I finally got it broken in with only 185,000 miles on it.
That was a Nash Metropolitan. Also sold here in the UK back in the day.
I gotta stop watch’in right now and take a moment to laud your rapid fire use of euphemisms and southern colloquialisms that pepper your reviews along with your car salesman”ass for every seat” style of hard sell. Hilarious, but when peeled away there are facts that count and by the time your done with a bike review, in my mind I practically own it. Brother you can talk the chicken off the bone!! The reviews target a broad swathe of rider audience and truly get into rider nuance and quality Vs. Cost. Really enjoy the channel. Hope you review the RE interceptor 650 someday soon. Hopefully see you at Americade in the Adirondack mountains this year? That is a bike shindig that that has people showing up on everything from Zundapps to classic HOGS. What ya say?thanks brother, awesome channel
Facts that count such as "motorcycles don't need ABS"?
Dude you're getting fooled by the funny character. This guy is completely clueless. As you've said, he's got the car salesman charisma, but he knows nothing about what he's selling.
I bought a cfmoto 650 adventra for 4100 new out the door was 4500, with a 2 year warranty, 3900 seems high
Also it has 60hp not 30
They cant do a 1200cc for tariff reasons, there is a 25% tarrif on motorcycles not built in the us over 750cc, it would add 2+ grand to the price to keep the profit margins
That's some good advice, I'd never think of going to an HD to get non-HD bikes. CF MOTO is killing it lately, from what I've seen on TH-cam. I'm in California where CF MOTO is not allowed due to smog laws. I don't know man, I disagree about what Americans want since there is a huge segment of small displacement bikes like the Grom, etc. Oh, also as adventure bikes in the sand, give me a 250 over a 1000 ANY DAY of the week because the 1000 will sink in the sand as the 250 flies by.
I own a 2015 klr 650 . I love it .
When I was younger I read many story's about crossing the sahara desert on 2 wheels.......I think my old bike MZ ETZ 251 would be perfect for that trip. Well look at itchy boots traveing the whole of South and North America and now africa on a 300cc dirt bike.
Have you read Jupiter's Travels
ADV bikes are so last week. I think what we need is a Brapstar ADV trike. That would be the embodiment of the wrong tool for the job.
Hard to beat a Springer...one of my bucket list bikes is a 95-96 Badboy
Back in the old days when I was a kid , we called adventure bikes by their real names, enduros!
Enduro didn't have the bags, windshield, cruise comtrol... I think of Supermoto as the modern Enduro, IE, a dirt bike with lights and a tag holder.
I guess I'll take the swervy curvy SV650 Shade Tree I got plenty of other ways to make that Cooter quiver like a jake brake
Best viewed with the sound off and ear plugs in. Just in case the voice bleeds through.
I tend to buy my bikes from a shady guy in a random parking lot. As long as they have the title in their name I'm good.
I like this videos you do it! Si very intresting!
I have a '08 KLR650 which I ride all the time, and a 2010 Harley FLHTK which I don't ride so much. I know KLR 650's and believe me I know Harley Stealerships very well. I been riding since the 1960's. $3000 for a used KLR650 is about the going price. My 2008, which I bought new was $4200 in 2008.
You should lead with approx.shipping to several locations like northern IL.
Bert’s ships for free to the lower 48
Indian carries HD, that should tell u something. A week b4 Christmas 2023, i bought a 2019 Indian chieftain. My 1st bagger.
These vids are sick brother. Gives us all insight into bikes we don't typically get to ride. Insight from a truthful, apple pie eatin', cheeseburger smashing red blooded American! Shadetree baby!
I've noticed something about stat sheet warriors, aka, those that always want to talk horsepower, and what do dads this or that bike has. They never talk about rides. Me, my bike is just something to take me on trips. Sure, its fast, I've done low 12s on it in the quarter, but I've also riden it from Oklahoma to Albuquerque, from Oklahoma to Winston Saleem and it has been a wealth of adventures. I have no idea how many torques it has though.
Gotta love the moon theme!
That’s a Nash Metropolitan !!
I like the KLR, though I've never owned one. I'm really tempted to get a Pan America.
10:00 PM PREMIERE HUH WEIRD
(Usually it's at 1 or 2 am for me XD) early today
It was good to see you on a KLR ! Lol !
My problem with ADV bikes is you either get fully off road like the T7 and PanAm or you get fully on road touring bikes with no offroad capability. There really is nothing in between. They also don't sell anything without a bunch of electronics I don't want which jacks the price 3-4 grand more than it should be.
The T7 and PanAm is in between… lol neither is hard core off-road.
@@niceguyrides They are more off road oriented than most of the adv riders will ever need. No they aren't dirt bikes which are hard core off road. The problem is the more road oriented bikes only come in cast rims and the adv's like t7 only come in knobby tires. I can't get a road bike with some off road stuff and road tires. I expect you could order the tires and rims you want with the bike you want but it'll cost you extra instead of being an option. The vstrom does the best to fit what I'm after but their design and colour scheme department is seriously over paid.
@@ADobbin1 I think your definition of an "adventure" bike is basically a touring bike. There has to be something that differentiates the category. That would be off-road worthiness. The PanAm and GS1300s of the world are middle of the road adventure bike. Too big to be anything more that middle of the road. The 890 adventure and Tuareg 660 are heavily skewed to dirt riding. The T7 can get there but the suspension is limiting. I guess the newer models with the upgraded suspension can fill the bill, but the stock t7 is best left on fire roads and pavement. The Taureg is a great road and off-road bike, so I am not sure what you are talking about. Ducati also has a capable tourer that can handle off-road, but can slay in the twisties. Plenty of bikes are build for mild off-roading. The new V-strom XT is also smack in the middle ground and the Transalp. The missing part of the segment is bikes that are light enough to do single-track and can still do serious road miles. We have none of those. We have some single-cylinder thumpers that will vibrate you to death, but no capable twins from reputable companies.
@@niceguyrides I guess the problem is the way they are being marketed. I've only really seen the T7, PanAm and other ADV's marketed as a rally bike with pros doing serious off roading in mountains and deserts and stuff. I want something that is upright and rugged enough to handle the increasingly rough pavement conditions as we slowly go bankrupt without being shaken apart. I don't need knobby tires, traction control and rider modes.
@@ADobbin1 Marketing aside, they have plenty of options in that category. The V-strom being the most synonymous (any V-strom). The XT Adventures has some very road biased tires anyway, and serious off-road will require a tire swap. You will be fine when you hit the gravel roads or fire roads (in good weather). I mean it is literally marketed for what you are talking about. From their website:
"Renowned for versatility, reliability, and value, Suzuki's V-Strom 650 models have attracted many riders who use their motorcycles for touring, commuting, or a fun ride when the spirit moves them. These are touchstone motorcycles balanced with a natural riding position, comfortable seat, and a flexible engine character that produces stress-free riding during brief daily use or a high-mile adventure."
I think many times the marketing is misrepresenting the product. If you ride a T7 over the dunes like a rally bike, you'll be bucked off in a second... You need $1500 worth of suspension upgrades for that.
The KLX kit and MC mod and an open exhaust transform the Gen1&2.
I know that's crazy they think all of this new modern stuff supposed to make the bike in my book it just made the bike more complicated and more expensive I personally bought the most basic bark I could find a Honda 2023 XR150L
And it's a blast under 3000/2,971 and purrs like a kitten😊😊😊
I have an adventure bicycle... it's the best!
Hey buddy love your videos I want to learn to ride I'm a little older for starting but love what you do live in lower alabama am pretty short 5'5 would love some guidance you awesome