Crankshaft Seal gone WRONG! 2000 Nissan Pathfinder 3.3
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I feel ya about the job turning into a total clusterfuck but I’m also excited about all the brakeclean you’ll be using in the next episode 😬
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a whole 12 case of brake clean for all that mess lol
Ohhhhhh the break clean
Another!
He's gonna need a pressure washer and drum of break cleaner.
Ray, you are a model of patience and good humour. Honestly. There are times I get frustrated on a job and think of your patience and calm down.
Yup... same here.. More pry bar!! Lol😁.. Usually I walk away for a minute or two just to relax and think about it.. Most times it helps..
Patience, good humor and determination. Ray, you never give up! Respect, Good Sir!
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WOW, it was making me crazy just watching. When that oil pan wouldn’t come out, I actually had to pause the video for a bit. I hope there were times that you did walk away (and you edited them out).
That’s when he threw wrenches and spewed 4 letter words. At least that’s what I would have done. Then I’d have grabbed a beer and a smoke and turned the camera back on.
You have more patience than anyone I know. If I tried that I would’ve thrown in the towel, the hammer and there would have been some serious loud expletive’s thrown around too.🤣
Did you say expletives? It's a given when I do repairs, maybe it serves as strength and motivation in getting the job done 😆
I would have called the wrecker!
Hear, hear!
I'm swearing just watching
@@TheMhannah100This! Exactly this! Surprised he he didn’t have to drop the rear diff! Everything on this truck is behind something else. Oh, so dang frustrating!
This one rapidly became a deep dive rabbit hole. Probably the only mechanic on the planet who was completely unphased on how this unravelled. Your patience is a lesson to all Ray.
Yup. He remained a complete solid through the entire thing. Never went gassy or collapsed into a puddle over it.
TRUE DAT! I lost my patience a while ago! SOOOO glad Ray is doing this and not me, of course I do intend to look up the definition of patience one of these days. Sorry Ray!
Had a job like this just recently and it definitely almost gave me an aneurism. But Ray did a great job keeping his cool. A job like this csn get real stressful real quick
The testicular fortitude required to NOT even swear during this ordeal, is mind blowing. I'd have sent half a toolbox into orbit before 'lets take the sump off'.
Yup longer I do this I reach for two holy grails. 1. Diagnostics 2. Not throwing shit during a job like this.
Ray, we can tell this is your first VG30 series timing belt change. You really made a LOT more work for yourself then needed. The oil pump does not have to come off for a seal replacement, its a pop out, pop in affair. Now that being said, with 280K+ miles, this thing likely could use a new pump as well as a pan reseal so I think you might have saved a call back for yourself. Lower mileage VGs don't require near as much disassembly as this one does. Normally a timing belt/water pump takes about 4 hours total on a VG, providing that a stuck nut doesn't end your fun times.
i agree. i just had my vg33 and brothers vg30 apart and put his back together yesterday. only hose he removed was the lower rad hose from the motor, everything else stayed in place lol
Yep - my reaction as well. He turned this into a 10-12 hour project
I got it down to 2 hours, but that was after about a dozen of them for practice. When you're at the dealer and only work on one brand, you get pretty quick. Plus, I personally own an '87 Hardbody with the VG30i that I've had since new. It's got 460k on the original, never been cracked open, engine.
Did that job in my apartment complex parking lot, didn't change timing belt tensioner pulley, which seized and broke belt a few months after I sold it to a buddy. ☹
@@bullbutter9699 damn thats really sad. im a while youre in there kind of guy for that reason
FYI you can remove the crank shaft seal without all the oil pump / pan removal labor.
Just need to drive a sheet rock screw into the seal and yank the seal out, then just hammer the new seal in.
And just push it back in? Do the lips of the seal start to push?
Whao, to change the crankshaft seal you have to disarm the whole engine, good work nissan!
No you just pull the old seal and install a new one. None of this nonsense he's doing.
No offence to Ray he's a good mechanic and I enjoy his videos. From my days in the shop I just used a stiff cotter pin tool and pried out the old seal and replaced it. If it was really stuck I drilled a small hole in the metal part of the seal put a screw in it. Gave you something else to pry on. Of course taking care not scratch the crank but their pretty damn hard. I would not have done all that work for a seal.
He mentioned that it would have been easier to pull the engine.
isuzu gemini,same bs..
@@jhayward1940 I wondered about it at first. But not really nonsense if you listen his comments about seals there being very brittle already. More potential leaks just waiting to happen, he probably noticed that.
Always love it when things are not what they seemed and the job takes a ton more labor than thought! I learned over the years to research the repairs I am taking on to make sure there is no surprises like this. Too many of these surprises and you lose the desire to even wrench on something. LOL Have a good one Ray!
Been there Done That--never forget a Time Consuming Job, just like some Plumbers, they can Pick and Choose what to Work On...
@@richardbicker640 For sure. I learned early that living in the rust belt brings its own issues also. Took me about 6 hours to beat a seized front drive shaft off the transfer case on my 02 ram. Trying not to destroy the T-case in the process was tricky. Something anyone down south could remove in 5 minutes.haha
@@richardbicker640 I really enjoy SMA, one of my favorites along with Ray! A good set of torches are a must up here too! lol
Like the others before me in the comments, damn what a project. You start out with a straight path to fix something and each step requires more disassembly and more work. Great job Ray and for staying rather calm !!
When pulling that bottom sprocket it's always best to use two pry bars one on each side so it gets pulled off evenly and it's a lot easier to do it that way.
to him, a bigger one.
For future reference Ray, prying on one side of that crank gear only serves to make it bind up. You need equal pressure on both sides of that gear to get it off easier. ;)
plus, a heat gun would make it bigger, . id replace the seal, not the pump. 2bucks against 200. id like to see him replace a belt seals idler w/pump on a 2.0tdi focus..machanic here destroyed the motor..no fkn idea..well,,they break the rockers, safety weak link..still 300 repair..ass hole..on top of 650 for fking it..
u will see next job if ur advice taken.
Indeed
@@forgetfulme1719 I have done hundreds of these in my 35 years in auto repair. Granted sometimes, they are a real biotch. But this one was moving, he was just binding it by prying on one side. ;)
@@farmermiyagi1338 hope he learns by reading comments, next time a breeze.
My uncle bought a car back in the 50's that needed a valve job. He decided that he would do the work himself. By the time he was finished all the windows were broken out, upholstery was torn, light lens were broken. Thank you for your demonstration of EXTREME PATIENCE.
This reminds me of a time long ago, when I was working in the parts warehouse at a local dealership. A new car came out (in conjunction with Renault). The Opel Vivaro (same as Renault Trafic). When they needed to replace a bulb in the headlights, they needed to take out the engine head to reach the headlights. Very "userfriendly" 🙈
Great video as always. It's encouraging to the rest of us weekend garage warriors to see that sometimes even the professionals have jobs run away from them as well. Kinda like last month when I went to do a simple replacement of the VTC actuator on my '08 Accord that ended up becoming a total replacement of the timing system because I dropped the timing chain. 🤦♂ It was one of those "well, while I'm here I might as well..."
Wow, I have to say, one of the most riveting episodes I have seen. The whole time was thinking so close but yet so far. You conquered it though. Nice job Ray!
I've said it before. Jack up the radiator cap and install a different car underneath said cap, drive to parts store for correct radiator cap.
Ok , I'm going to give a small Reee . Always remove the ground cable from the battery before removing a starter .
I can totally relate to what you're going through on this project Ray. I had a 2001 Chrysler 300M that was exactly like this Pathfinder. Complete domino effect on everything I worked on. What a nightmare! Glad I got rid of it!
Christ, I'd be in full panic. Your calm experience stopped a catastrophe from happening.
Wrenching on cars, the nuts and bolts part about it is easy. It's how you deal and overcome the problems you encounter that makes you a mechanic master or a rookie.
@@mph5896 if watching Ray's videos has taught me anything, it's to hand the car over to people who know what they're doing
I always removed stubborn woodruff keys by striking them on one end towards the center of the shaft. This forces the other end up and loosens the key and provides more key to get a grip on with pliers.
Love watching your channel it informs me of what cars not to buy as I do nearly all my work on the driveway. Simplicity is the most important thing.
A model A Ford might be good.
@@Amen.22 Or a classic VW Beetle...
@@K.Kelly87 4.0 cherokee with a lift kit you can do everything down to the rod bearings on the driveway lol
For real, thank you for this video. This is my experience every time I pretend I know how to turn a wrench.
This video shows that even the, best of the best, automotive technicians, can run into something new that ties them up. Everything I've ever watched Ray do, has been so "no sweat" surgical and quick. It is nice to know he is actually human, like the rest of us ,and it is not so "no sweat." It will be fun to see session number 3 to see how he works around everything, to get this job finished successfully. I have no doubts that he will eventually get this car back to its owner in a lot better condition than when he started. GO RAY!!!
HOLY CRAP!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! When that 10 min bolt removal, turns into a three day adventure!
22:59 someone did not disconnect the battery.....
I admire your patience! What a job that turned into!
Wow that seemed like a lot of work. That oil filter looks like it's been on there a loooong time. Have a Great Day Ray
yup,, and the oil looked like what comes out of a diesel engine,, lol,,,
VG30 engine properly maintained, will hit 500k+ miles easily. Insane reliability on those !! I'll bet there is a few million milers out there.
Yeah and they are easy to work on too I dont get the hate i own an 88 pathy with vg30i . Its been really reliable.
This. This right here is worth every last penny to have someone like Ray do the job! I wouldn't even THINK of attempting this!
Ray, something I learned after nearly 20 years of working on lifeboat engines, 2 & 3 cylinder some 12’s, is that no matter how many bolts you take out, there is always one more !!
Excellent repair series , it looks like all of that stuff was due to be replaced anyways, I'm sure the customer is going to be extremely happy with the repair.
Except that after he is done the Transmission will take a dump.
@@dublindave5795 the transmission is probably less tedious to replace than everything he did in this video and part 1
Probably not when they thought they were only about to spend 300 only to find out they now owe 800. In this economy 😢
Watched all 3 episodes! Love them and learn so much and my wife is watching wife unit ! No old school tells oil pans don't come off unless you have a cherry picker for the engine. Except my 96 Jimmy . Drop the front end! Woodruff keys are rounded and I have brass punch . Hammer one side.
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I'm SHOUTING at the screen , Take the pickup tube off!! Everyone loves a smart arse hahaha, great video
Ah dude I just couldn't stop laughing. Lots of respect to your workmanship and dedication. Hope you had real cold brew after your swift.
Cheers man
Thata A great feeling when the pan finally slides out on A complicated removal....oh what A feeling!...............................remembering double sump pans on Lincolns back in early '80s.
Rainman, this is turning into a long-term repair. I'm glad you're doing this repair. I'd gave up already and called the wrecking yard for pick-up. 🤔😉😅😅🤣🤣😅😆😅😅🤣🤣
This is every DIY mechanics project. Start off with something that seems so simple and end up with half the engine disassembled.
I always thought mechanics had access to online repair manuals.
Yep...just like the oilpan on a jeep CJ....pull motor mounts and jack up engine to get oil pan off! BRILLIANT!!
Woodfuff key needs to be snug.
Use flat punch and hammer to rotate key in slot, then good parallel pliers to pull/pry key out.
BTW a crankshaft key is always aligned with zero/neutral rotation position .
As a former rust belt mechanic it's hilarious watching you southern boys trying to deal with the tiniest bit of corrosion. So thanks for the laughs
The more i watch of this nissan, the more i love my dodges and fords.
I’m sorry you had to do the extra work, but super glad because we got to see more of your instructional videos!!!
Hello Ray: I have an idea for a video. How about a video showcasing all the hand tools you use (including battery operated ones) and what you like and dislike about the product. It would go a long way towards helping DIYers like myself to making the right choices when it comes to purchasing said tools for our own use. Thanks.
This is hilarious, Rainman, I think it's rain'n on you, this is nuts... so much work over a tiny little thing.. lol...
Any reason you could not drill a couple of small holes in the seal, self-tap screws in the seal, and pull it out?
this kind of job is where brass and copper tools come in REEEEEEAL handy. i laughed the first time i seen a brass chisel but after a similar job, i now have three sizes of brass chisels and different weight brass and copper hammers so i can give various levels of percussive persuasion without mushrooming or denting steel parts. the cost is offset by the time saved and undamaged parts.
Well I would have un did the battery just because of what happened with the starter positive terminal. But normally you are safe Ray.
When the frustration level goes up more mistakes happen which raises the frustration even more. I hate it when a job turns into an iver escalated nightmare.
I would have thought that the oil seal was ok, that oil would have been the normal blow pass at that high milage. a quick break clean around the case and it would have seen the life of the car out. Hind sight is a wonderful thing.
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"Should have pulled the motor out." Truer words have never been spoken until now. Ray is so tenacious and patient here.
Tough day! Lessons learned. This is we’re we grow in experience! Sucks, but you can tell by how his tone remained stable every step of the way that he knows how to handle events like this. Keep pushing Rainman!
I hate to be the one to mention this but………::
You can remove the main seal without removing the pan.
And you can get the upper timing covers off without removing the air con hose.
I have one of those Pathfinders and I’ve been there and done that. Fortunately the first thing I did when I bought the truck was buy the service manual. Or you can go online.
I feel for you Ray. Those engines are crazy hard to work on⚠️
Hate to say it, but I knew the minute you took a hammer to that poor pocket screwdriver how that was going to end up... got several that look like that for that reason! hahaha
Next time might I suggest a screwdriver into the crankshaft seal and pry instead... Save ya a LOT of aggravation for sure... Not sure you can get your seal puller into the area, but, since you've already compromised the water integrity, yanking the radiator out is a WHOLE LOT faster and gives ya more room to access those crank seals and the rest of the front of the engine.... You're a great mechanic Ray, but like all of us, sometimes you can't see the forest because of the trees....
Hope ya have a great Monday bud.... and this thing hasn't caused ya too much grief by now
Agree with you.
done these many times just dig the seal out and install new one and change the belt.
@@wkroutz good idea! There are tools to take the seal ring out or just two regular screws and the pair of pilers.
@@wkroutz yep, I've worked on quite a few of these VG Nissan engines. They are a lot easier than this to work on . Start to finish, should take like 4 hours, with a break to let the crank sprocket to soak..
Ray IS the Zen master of mechanics. He's even teaching me patience and people in 3 States are STILL looking for wrenches I tossed in frustration before Ray.😁
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Ugghh… I feel,for the poor soul who tried to do this in their driveway, without a lift, got elbow deep for two days and then had to box up the parts and have it towed to a shop. That would be me and is the reason I only go so far with backyard repairs.
The late Patrick McManus, a humor writer for Outdoor Life, Field & Stream, and other magazines once wrote a piece entitled "Sequences". In this piece he details how very often when one sets out to do one job, another comes up which must be done before the first job can be accomplished, and in the process of doing THAT job another comes up which must be done before the second job can be done, etc. Things quickly snowball out of control, and the initial job never gets accomplished after all!
whew--that was really painful to watch----a puller for the crank sprocket and a small punch hitting the back part of the woodruff key to quickly raise the front part . Please get yourself some brass hammers and punches
yes use a brass hammer
I now remember why I stopped being a mechanic after 20+ years, went back to school and got a good degree that got me teaching till I retired.
This is further evidence of why Eric O. calls Nissan, "The Chrysler of Japanese Automakers". This taught me a lesson about always checking service data before diving in too deep on a job.
Classic case of what can go wrong will go wrong. Nothing good comes easy!
Hi Ray, I would recommend using a large pair of side cutters. That is how we pull keys from Go-Kart axles.
GREAT work
OR, it's a round key, normally striking straight down on one end or the other will roll the key out like a wheel.
Yup,, works very easy, especially if you have the bent handle type of side cutters,, :-)
The domino effect of getting screwed! Gee's I like that. It's a crime that cars are just so hard to actually work on.
It's not too late to turn this into an engine out operation. It may make it easier to get that pan back on and sealed properly.
And as long as the engine is out, it's a great opportunity for a complete overhaul. Transmission too, since you're there. Might as well get the drivetrain, and upgrade the suspension and exhaust at the same time. Oh I almost forgot, steering gear is probably on the way out...
Everybody makes mistakes sometimes. Not that he made a mistake. Just went the long route. Sometimes it happens.
@Roads To Nowhere At 18:42 he said that he checked the service data and the front seal is pressed into the oil pump. To get to that he had to remove the oil pan, and so on.
I'm glad that you're a "persistent little Cuss", as demonstrated with that crankshaft pulley, crankshaft gear, and oil pan. I never did a timing belt on my daughter's 1998 Pathfinder (now gone) but have done on my 1988 Mazda B2200 truck, theory is the same, but I didn't need a crankshaft oil seal. I've done water pumps on my 1998 and 2004 4-cylinder Frontiers, and those engines (timing chains) do seem to be more sturdy than the VG33 V6 engines.
Read the manual when installing /uninstalling foreign objects, including battery. You can always keep your settings with temporary voltage source.
Now you Tell me..... my daughter gets upset every time I have to change the driver side Headlight bulb on her Pontiac Vibe... the Auto Door Lock resets to LOCK because the Battery Must Be Removed ....... she is a Rural Mail Carrier, and Auto Locking Doors are Super PITA.... I will definitely keep this in mind.
Your patience is amazing. I felt the frustration. I would be cussing up a storm. Impressive.
Ray, this is the strangest video I have ever seen you produce. Even if the seal did fit in a front cover rather than the oil pump, why remove the front cover at all when the seal can be easily extracted without removing it? Simple mistake (or should RTFM apply here) now requires extra work, extra gaskets and why a new oil pump - seriously! If that wasn’t bad enough the arcing due to removing the starter motor without disconnecting the battery and the obvious pick up tube oversight were astonishing. As ‘bad days at the office go’ this ‘takes the biscuit’.
It also looked like he needed to rotate the engine another 180 degrees to line up all timing marks to verify it was put on correctly previously and whoever replaced that timing belt before didn't line the marks on the belt up with the marks on the cam sprockets.
I love that even professional mechanics have mini panic moments. As an amateur mechanic, I have quite a few of those moments with each job. 😂
Great video, I am amazed that you were humorous throughout. Nissan engineers should watch this.
No, not watch, but be forced to do the repair.
It has become apparent to me that NOTHING stands in the way of your getting an assignment completed properly and professionally...👍✨💫
Well Ray, I have to say you are doing much better than I would have during the time I pulled my own wrenches. I saw many “YOU GOT TO BE S%/=++ing ME” moments while doing this job. You have the patience of Job!
I can't wait to see how you get the oil pan back on with the silicone! 😢
When it comes to auto repair, expect the unexpected! 🙁
That is a lot of work to replace a timing belt. Makes me thankful that my wife's Honda Pilot ended up being as easy as it was. I've had to do it twice and it took less time combined than I think that Nissan was.
Ray - can you post the amount of hours charged for your repairs? I think that would be very helpful (do realize that in most instances you likely charge a flat rate from software).
Unfortunately these jobs like this you do not make any money on. No way you can charge your actual time.
WHY is it I love rays videos in his own shop beyond all of his others? 😂😢😂😅
Hi Ray, I get the feeling that this Nissan job is a job you wished you never started 😂all the best mate. Glen Sydney Australia 🇦🇺
Sometimes using side cuts works well for pulling woodruff keys. Also making sure you use all the brake clean available. It's always a adventure
Ray, I’m impressed again. This is a thankless job for sure. How do you know where the bolts go back? You are the pro!
I always think that. 😂
2 main things dictate where bolts go:
1st is experience
2nd is an organised work space. You know where you put things and instinctually keep fasteners either close to parts or in specific places, for example when i work on top of the engine i usually line bolts up on the fenders or underneath the windshield.
First car I ever worked on was my 89 Nissan maxima. Thought i could replace waterpump on my own. Ran into the same problems you're running into on this one. Needless to say that baby sat for over a year in my yard before I got rid of it lol. I learned quick to read all of the reference bullets before doing any job. This was way before youtube
Just wondered why you rotated the engine backwards to align the timing marks, I know you were only disassembling but I would still want to go the direction of rotation even if I went backwards too far and then forwards to the marks. Maybe it doesn't matter and I'm over cautious when aligning marks at the dismantle stage. I was expecting that issue with getting the oil pan off, purely because I know it can't be done on my own car without the subframe and other bits coming off first.
I don't think Ray is much of an engine guy...not from what I've seen anyway. Engine work was my specialty for 42 yrs.
I'm not sure why a lot of folks are blaming engineers. The timing belt change on this engine is actually pretty easy, especially compared to some other cars. The only reason it got complicated was because Ray made an assumption and began removing the oil pump. He failed to look at service data and made a mistake. It happens. That's not a design problem. That oil pump could have stayed in place and the front seal can be popped out and replaced fairly easily. I am curious, is the customer going to have to pay the extra labor and the cost of a new oil pump? The old pump is probably fine and normally will outlast the rest of the engine, no need to buy a new one. I'd be upset if this were my car and I had to pay extra because the mechanic made a mistake.....
I was worried your marks were not aligned on crankshaft pulley upside down or cover put on to see if mark on cover and outer pulley. Those keys i would not be tapping at the front but at the top rear to push it down and raise it at front.
I had an old mirror to use to view things i could not feel or see.
You could have added Wife Unit saying Hello
Ray has a Gopro etc.... better than any mirror
@@teed58 Many old mechanics did not have a luxury go pro but had old skool mirror in a toolbox to hand.
Regarding that oil pickup tube: I was yelling as loud as I could at my computer screen!
If you apply heat to the Woodruff Key would the shaft expand at a different rate than the Woodruff Key? I have no idea if that would work, I’m no mechanic/
Heat makes metals swell, so, not a good idea.
@@warbuzzard7167 I know that, I was just wondering if the Woodruff Key would become loose if the shaft expanded at a different rate as it is a different metal.
Step 1: Remove engine.... Man, your patience is beyond the call of duty. Thanks for showing us the life.
This is exactly why I pay a mechanic for some repair tasks.
This is also why we watch talented mechanics on TH-cam for educational purposes.
I would kill to have a mechanic like ray. Patient, honest, thorough, and attention to detail is unparalleled. They don’t make them like this anymore.
got to love those curve balls that get thrown at you. hang in there ray. love your content. very informative.
Been there /done that, not with a timing belt change, but that's the way about 80% of my DIY jobs turn into. The instructions may say "only 1 flat-head screw driver and 5 minutes required, but I usually have to drag out my 12 drawer upright tool box out and two days later, I have to call my mechanic son over to help.
Are you sure that this will not extend to a 4 part video? The way your luck has been going with this job.
This is why I have a Chevy Suburban. First time water pump change took me 1 hour. Easy peazy!
After watching so many other videos of mechanics complaining about engineers make it impossible for you guys to work on engines, I am not surprised. Car designers/engineers should be forced to work on the cars after assembly so that they learn how to not make it a 3 video series about replacing timing belts, although, love the fact we get all the good content from you Ray.
Watching this reminds me why I gave up mechanic work for a living many years ago LOL
Im yelling at the tv, “ The shim has a pass slot! The shim has a pass slot!”
You didnt hear me.
Sending love or something a whole lot like it from Woodway Texas down near Waco.
As you wrestle with pulleys and pans I'm channeling my inner Eric O "Come on, BABY!"
I admire your patience and your willingness to post even when things don't go as expected. I wouldn't think that oil pump would normally need to come out for this job, but maybe I misunderstood something. You talked about breaking a seal but I'm not sure If u meant the shaft seal or the seal around the oil pump itself. If you inadvertently broke the seal around the pump, I understand why everything had to come apart.
Been there and done that. It always seems the jobs you think are going to be a piece of cake are the ones that beat you down. Love the fact that you kept your cool and didn’t panic. I could hear the edge of frustration in your voice. Keep up the great work Tay