Table of Contents 01:00 - Flywoo motors 04:50 - Prop material differences 09:10 - Details of the prop 11:02 - Flight video/performance 15:09 - Motor choices and props 15:52 - 2306 vs 2207/8 differences The Gemfan 5146.6 prop isn't available yet but I expect it to be in the next few weeks when China returns to work. Flywoo 2306: goo.gl/xuLG6d I recommend the 1750kv for 6S and I recommend you go 6S Flywoo 2207: goo.gl/JTEXmb They tell me the gold is much harder to get and results in more imperfections. That's why it costs more. Great value motor: goo.gl/h5rofi This is my recommendation for the best value motor. Never mind the brand, this motor has all top specs for the lowest price I've seen. The only possible down spec is that I'm not sure if it's actually 7075 aluminum. Also, while the bearings still aren't the best, they are 9mm and will hold up well. I don't recommend the counter clockwise thread. Equipment I highly recommend: Micro Eagle - goo.gl/or1fS9 Rush Tank Vtx - goo.gl/YMYmya Fantastic solder- amzn.to/2P5QM2W TS100 iron - goo.gl/DqBipa goo.gl/svK6DD amzn.to/2OV5XMh WaFL’s Cap Cap insta-stalker.com/profile/waf... goo.gl/9CZdAs Xing 2208: goo.gl/PcJ7GG Xing 2306: goo.gl/TT9gnw, amzn.to/2VkZ8rt Sub $200 5" build that's still good: Frame: goo.gl/EpXQhZ FC/4in1 Stack: goo.gl/HprVbj Motors: goo.gl/h5rofi Props: goo.gl/ZnzY2y Props: goo.gl/VMBiQh FPV Cam 2.1mm: goo.gl/FDJhYw Vtx: goo.gl/JNVDMn Tips? PayPal: www.paypal.me/kababfpv Bitcoin: 1E4XZXoD4rS6MYWVWuenY7Kw2M1YgyNpoQ Nano: xrb_1188ek5bd7tb9kw67asnp9o65byuoaxbtpxuznx1ribf75x78awywmakj55f ETH: 0xD067F93811f2eC31CB1928901002dfdf9A492EF5 LTC: La2KWYAjp4VT2Lq2M76pbjzXWvRyjpfCtG
Plz don't stop! It's really helpful if one reviewer reviews all props , because difference of opinion becomes a factor when you watch reviews from different reviewers
I've been having the same PID problem with my smaller quad ever since I upgraded from BF 3.3... Feels good to hear that it's probably the firmware, I've been questioning my hardware a lot for this issue...
Hey Bob, great video. Just FYI. I have measured HQ props myself and confirmed with Zhong as well. HQ 5.1” props are, in fact, 5.1”. They are not 5” + 1mm. 1mm is only .039, and that wouldn’t make enough difference to matter.
that's what he told me so I dunno. Whatever it is it's ridiculous what these manufacturers do. There should be a standard accordance or something among them.
Your classic saying is...More on that later...Really dig how you examine quad parts. Wonder if you have tried some Dal 5249...super quiet and smooth prop. Your awesome Dude!
Yeah I wasn't impressed with it. It's just a big heavy prop that motors often struggle to spin. They feel like 7" props but are 5.2". Maybe it was just the two quads I tried them on but I wasn't impressed.
At low feedforward values, there are probably areas in fast recoveries where the FF and D terms are both functioning as damping terms, and that might be what you're experiencing with that. I think the over-smoothed nature of my older 0/0 D-Setpoint/Transition range can force some extra smoothness as well, although as you mentioned there is a cost to responsiveness contained in there. I really think there is a use for 2306 motors because of that big hump of torque down low, especially with lower pitch stuff on low weight quads - but I still can't get past how much I love the ultra-linear nature of 2207/2208's with V2 Cyclones
I just got the flywoo motors I’m ready for them to arrive those are pretty much the only motors I could get and afford so we will see how they go on this new build on the new speedybeev2 5”frame
After watching this video these motors are make by iFlight. or at their factory. the base is the same and they have the O ring (thats awsome) the shafts look the same and they have the conical shape to them. I love how you don't have to guess tension on the bottom bell screw. I thought that when I saw that O ring when the Xings were shown apart online, that you could crank down on the screw without issue.
The O ring is a surprisingly great upgrade. I have to agree. The screw doesn't even need locktite or anything. I'm not sure it's made by iflight. As far as I know it's not.
I've been using the DalProp 5050c ( because their on sale on PyroDrone lol ) with my Ummagawd 2150 motors. Honestly its a great prop. durable and a lot of low end control! Over 2 minutes of flight!
Thanks for review, Bob. Is there any chance you can do vid on how props differ between colors. I've been using the 51499, the yellow is unobtanium durable, but the purple is really flimsy in comparison.
There are differences but they're minor. Usually the clear colors are a little stiffer and a little more durable. The difference is the color parts. It kinda contaminates the actual plastic
@@Kabab Still, good end result. Motors, Firmware, Frames, and Props are pretty well sorted anymore. If we can get ESC's that don't spontaneously flambe, VTXs with better cross-compatibility, and affordable diversity CRSF, then I think we're basically there. I would also like to see somebody compete directly with the Eagle sensor and try to get to Predator/Arrow latency with it.
@@salviaaable Agreed! I run the Avan LR 6" on my 4s Rooster with Emax RS 2306 2700kv motors. They're not amp hungry, and do pretty good freestyle too. Cruising around and maybe doing a couple power loops, I get between 6-8 mins of flight with 1y/o Tattu 1300mah 45c Lipo's that have been swollen for 3 months. I'd love some Avan 7inch bi-blades.
As someone who has x2 5" on a 2306 2800kv bi blade setup...23xx definitely have a different power curve...but over all I wouldn't go back to a 22xx motor!
I've been looking at yours and others views on various props because I was on my last set that came with my Hawk 5, but there's just too many and too many opinions, so I took the easy route and received 5 more sets of Avan Flow's in the post today because I know they work well, just in time for the calmer weather next week :)
Any prop from the last year will work well. You don't need to worry about that. I personally am not a fan of the Avan Flow. I feel it's inefficient and slow. Any of the HQ props will perform better to me and give longer flights.
You're lightyears beyond my experience of 5" props, but I aim to fly a lot more and learn a lot more about various handling aspects of 5" quads this year. I've been consistently getting over 3.5 mins from the Hawk 5 with the Avan Flows, running 1300mAh packs with a sport cam on top doing lots of fast maneuvers.
I like watching these prop videos. Interesting stuff. I’m checking out the Xing 2208 2450kv (I don’t want to change to 6s, have too many 4s batteries that are still good). What props would you recommend/ are your favourite for that size motor now?
I think this new gemfan 5146.6 is probably my most prefered prop on either 2208 or 2306. Other good props are the T5143, S3 however tht S3 is a bit slow and HQ 5.1x4.1x3
You can get away with running fairly low KV on 4S, especially with 2208 stators. Unfortunately, the only iFlight 2208's in 2150KV are the older Tachyons, which are kinda heavy.
Too many comments to go through them all and see if it was explained already, but I felt the same characteristics on the 2306 vs 2207 motors. (I haven’t tried anything else) My theory is that 2306s motors spool up quicker than 2207s at least that’s what I noticed, so that wobble you find on 2207s and not on 2306s after letting off the throttle and pitching forward is due to the motor not being able to spoil fast enough to lock in attitude if that makes sense. I suck at explaining things
Yep I believe as the code improved it started allowing for more drastic input execution and this may be a physical effect that we can't get rid of. At least in betaflight for now.
About that Roboticness with FW...I've recently experimented with the current limiting on BlHeli32. If I set it to a little lower value like 45-60amps it really smooths out the movements of my kwad. I played with this value until I felt like it was a good mix between smothness and response.
KababFPV i would recommend you to try the master air screw RS 5x4.5x3. this prop is supper responsive and grip. but they are still glassnylon so durability is not great. but the feel is soo good
On paper, nylon-polycarbonate composites should make it actually tougher (depending on which resin or butyl-styrene binder is used), so the MasterProp material sounds awesome. To me, a lighter version of the 5149 is probably absolutely perfect for what I'm after - just depends on how linear the thrust delivery is. I think stiffer probably trumps lightweight with big powerful motors, although the lighter 2306's seem to really enjoy low weight props and get that amazing wispy feel consistently.
This prop is really fantastic. I tried not to over Hype it but it's going to be my go to prop moving forward until something better comes around. It very easily took the title as my go to prop.
@@Kabab I know you don't enjoy doing dedicated prop reviews that much anymore, but feedback like this is basically invaluable. Also, this would complete my journey to a favorite propeller in each size being Gemfan (right now is the 2040, 2540, 3052, 6042-3, & 7042 flash with T5046C and 5149's tied evenly). Thanks for taking the time to explain why your new favorite prop is just that!!!
@@Kabab Well, I find myself in agreement again. Definitely go-to status, only omission is POPO compatibility on these. The mixture of smoothness and grip these achieve with tall stator motors is really excellent, as long as there's some torque in the bank these things are just amazing. On motors with less torque, I'm starting to prefer running really high KV and lower pitch lightweight props (Ethix S3 and HQ 5.1x3.6x3 are impressive) to get a locked in feel that's similar... although that setup has me running some outright absurd combos like 6S 2250KV 2205 on low pitch to get the feel comparably decent to where my favorite vanilla 4S 2207 2550KV setup is with these props.
Ha, I’m glad someone else has that wobble. Driving me nuts. Of my multitude of quads, only one has it, and always when pitching forward. I’ve tried everything to get rid of it. I can only make it softer or harder lol. Interestingly it’s my only quad on t motor props, and I haven’t had time to test others yet. I have others with 2207s and a 2208 that don’t suffer from it.
DUUUDDE I found a pack of gemfan 5x3 bi-blades from like 2 years ago still in the pack. a part of me wants to fly them just to take a trip down memory lane but pretty sure the weight of my rig & it being 5s would explode them so probably going to keep them as a relic. Like they even have the inserts for smaller motor shafts. we take props for granted now a days but they've came a long way. I'm thankful for the props we have now lmao
I've a box of 'legacy' props, I tried flying my Hawk 5 with Gemfan 5030 2-blade props once, the power just wasn't there and when trying to bank hard at speed they couldn't deliver the power and crashed into a bush, every single blade broke off, I laughed.
I wasn't feeling the t motor prop on 2450kv 4s. Felt under powered coming out of dives. I gota try them on my 6s build to see if I like them. Thanks for putting out these videos bud!
have you ever tried a 2405 motor? I have some nicely built hobbywing 2405 2800kv which have 231mmq less than a 2306 motor (for reference, a 2207 has 168mmq more than a 2306). How do you think they'll do with these props? how do you think the wider stator will feel? are those motors too weak for this kind of prop? thank you !
As you know props much better than most I have a question you may be able to help me with. I run an ultralight 250g dry racing Drone with outdated dys 2205 2750kv motors. I find the grip low and slow speed control lacking. I am currently using 5040 cyclones or 5042 windancers as I am trying not to cook those motors. What props would you recommend
Definitely this prop, the Gemfan 5146.6. For now you can consider the gemfan 5149 probably. It's particularly good for racing. Or the newer Tmotor race prop. I forget the numbers on it. Don't worry about cooking the motors. That won't happen. All that will happen is that the top of your throttle will feel like it does nothing if the motor is overpropped.
" I don't recommend the counter clockwise thread." - is this specific to Eachine motor or counter clockwise thread isn't needed these days (in general)?
Back before everyone started using ny-loc nuts to secure their propellers, they used clockwise and counterclockwise motor threads, (Instead of all CCW motors with CW threads like the majority of manufacturers make today) to keep the prop nuts & props from spinning themselves off. The clockwise motors were more prone to spinning the nut off because it turns in the same direction as the nut tightens. Nowadays with the use of ny-loc nuts, there's no need for counterclockwise threads, but alot of the real cheap motors are still sold with both CW & CCW threads.
@@licensetodrive9930 DYS just released the "SUN-FUN" motors as well and 3B just released their 3B Trainer motors in 2306 and 2206, 7 different Kv's from 4-6S. I just ordered the 3b trainers for my basher apparently they are unbeatable. Thick curved magnets, hardened steel shaft, large set screw, and tiny air gap. Would def check them out before you get the EMAX... one weird thing is EMAX will not release thrust tables for the ECO's... which is suspicious
I decided to try the same Flywoo motors to see how they compare to my Xing 2406 2450 kv. I need a reliable 4 in 1 esc now. Since you’ve been using the Flywoo 50a any complaints ? I was also looking at Hiolybro Tekko 32 metal. Thoughts ???? Peace brother ✌️
Great video! love these discussions about motors and props. I'm just wondering, why do you use the dominators v3? I feel like you have access to all the hardware you want, is it beacuse of the 16:9 on the micro eagle? worth the goggle fov sacrifice?
I don't like any of the HD goggles optics including the HDO. They have extremely blurry edges. The dom V3 was the last pair that actually had optics that were acceptable. I would prefer a 4:3 screen but I'm totally fine with the wide screen. In fact it's gotten to the point where i prefer a 4:3 camera on the 16:9 screen which is weird to me. I'm waiting on the Orca goggles and hoping they'll have good optics and a good screen.
Freeform prism optics is where our goggles should be at. Every once in a while I dig out & have a look through my Sony Glasstron PLM-700E's, 800x600 res video glasses from 20 years ago that, optics wise, wipe the floor with all current goggles.
@KababFPV For sure, I wish I could have HD2's without the blurry edges. When I got the chance to ask them about using freeform prism lenses 15 months ago, Greg(?) did reply they developed a prototype but ran into problems, notably the panel manufacturers keep making them smaller and smaller, which means higher magnification lenses and more difficulty in getting your eyes aligned correctly: rcgroups.com/forums/showpost.php?p=38455734&postcount=8
I normally fly micro's, but now want to build a 5 incher. In the micro size it really matters if a prop is 2035 or 2135. This prop is 51xx. Does that matter for the frame? Or can I just use it on every 5 inch frame?
I hope he makes the 2210 motor. I really want that size. And I would like to try some 2307 motors. I know Hyperlite make 2307 but not in the KV that I'm wanting, 1500 or 1600kv I imagine would be ideal for what I am wanting to do. Thanks for another vid, I love listening to your opinions and thoughts about hardware performance.
For someone not wanting to spend to much but still wanting the best flying quad, would you still recommend the mamba stack or something like an eachine 35A ESC with an helio fc?
The piroflip stack with the new ESC is really nice. The Mamba has been seemingly reliable however. I haven't heard many if any issues from people. I haven't personally used however.
Nice thoughts and content as always, by the way, why don't you race? Sure that you could make great setups for that also not just acro, I will like to understand your reasons to not racing
This has been the case for a long time but the latest few props they have made are very popular with racers too and are actually impressive. Try the 5149 (not the 5149.9). The 5149 is not very good at low speed but at high speed it's extremely impressive. The grip at high speed is unmatched. This 5146.6 is similarly impressive in that sense but also has good low speed control.
Thanks for the great info! When buying motors how to know that i am going to get clockwise and counter clockwise motors? I bought 4 motors and they were all clockwise threaded so my props come loose sometimes. Thanks man!
typically most people hugely dislike counter clockwise threads. Props really don't come loose if you tighten them and use a locknut. You need to hit a lotta stuff usually if the top of the motor bell is properly designed with good grip on it. The issue with CCW is that if you loose a nut, you're screwed. CCW nuts are a pain to source and annoying to carry. But some still prefer never having props come loose. Oh yeah you also need to install your motors a certain way and have spars that are the correct direction...yuck. Too much complexity
Wouldn't the power hump be smoothed out by applying throttle expo? That 2206/07 wobble... God it's so freaking frustrating. You build a mid/high-end rig for smooth footage, bf 3.4 comes out and suddenly my 2.5yo-beaten up-full realacc-f3-QAVX clone flies better at 1/4 the price. Do you have any knowledge on this issue on other firmware, like butterflight?
Butterflight is unfortunately dead so I wouldn't bother with that. I don't know anything else about the issue but it's super duper annoying. Yes a throttle curve can help smooth it out but it also causes weird inconsistencies that I'm not a fan of. It's hard to tune a throttle curve. I'm way too lazy to spend too much time on something like that from quad to quad. I'd rather just have it flight right from the get go. Thankfully these new props from gemfan and azure make it possible.
This quad has a talon F7 in it but it has nothing to do with the FC at all. It's more my settings and I don't remember if I had the ND filter on or not here. I don't think I did. My settings are default with 1.25 RC rate and a FF of 19.
Those motors look bad ass! Does DYS make a good motor? I’m using their Samguk motor for $9. While I learn to fly. They have taken a lot of abuse but still work flawlessly.
The samguk motors are alright. They work, perform alright but that's about it. Not a bad value but after just a dozen flights or so the bearings start going bad. Still usable and fine, just not nice. I'd sooner buy the RCX motors before those. The RCX are as good as some top shelf motors but they're $10
Spec sheets are not very helpful. Bench tests are almost completely meaningless unless you have something to compare them against. The only well standardized testing in the industry I know of is miniquadtestbench.com. Otherwise you can totally disregard anything you see on any manufacture site.
@@Kabab The manufacturer specs are unloaded and loaded measurements and are typically not that far off. Otherwise you couldn't even rely on specs like weight, Kv, Io, Rm ... when finding a motor. Also, why would a manufacturer show significantly lower numbers for efficiency?
@@xnoreq that's correct. You cannot rely on kv or pretty much anything. It's all an estimation. If you scan MQTB you'll see some motors are in excess of 100kv off. Don't look at any spec sheet from any company. It's completely useless. For one thing, the reason why this motor looks less efficient than some others is because it's a well made motor which means it can generate more torque and get up to higher RPMs under static load. That doesn't mean more thrust due to thrust dynamics in a static environment that isn't defined. As a result it pulls more amps and looks less efficient. Forget all manufacturer thrust charts entirely. They are 100% useless. Especially when there is nothing to compare them against
@@Kabab I don't think you understand. Mqtb doesn't do Kv measurements properly as far as I can tell. They measure unloaded rpm/V. But Kv is rpm required to produce 1V back emf. That's why you never get the right rpm if you multiply Kv with your supply voltage ... because that's not what Kv tells you. Now the manufacturer data may be rounded. That will introduce inaccuracies, but those are quantifiable and they are nowhere near allowing this motor to be highly efficient at high throttle, 6s with that prop. Mqtb also said that their other numbers are not accurate in an absolute sense. The manufacturer numbers seem not far off. Some number crunching shows that you can get this motor to be fairly efficient but only at lower thrust, going to 4s, different prop...
@@Kabab Just out of curiosity, what is the average throttle you'd say you use during your flights? Because it might be that you use quite low thrust on average. There, efficiency can be quite good.
nice tree topRacing ;) what is going on with brotherhobby and this new speeeeed shield V2 ?! aviable in 3400kv !!! rated for 6s throug the range is that even possible ? i mean 20K RPM are freakin fast, and todays dry bench testing resul in 50K + RPM (please correct me when im wrong) and DR1 racing puts 2200 KV on 6s and.. it that the current "limit" of an "rotor" spinning through the air, and above that... Blades have to shape, and feel (material?) very different to todays "flimsy" ones... .. dunno maybe in the next few yeahrs FPV drones especially those build for proffesional racing getting dangerous in the wrong (hands)
Ahhhh the ole Betaflight wobble. Thought maybe it was finally fixed. Guess I'll wait till 4.0 to try again, but that is the sole reason I switched to F1.
You should floss them if you can get them to sit still for a minute or two. If nothing, just get the floss in their mouths so they used to the idea. You should also brush for them too. Kids don't develop the dexterity to properly brush until age 7 or so. So let them brush and then you finish it up. At least just scrub each surface for a moment in there. I realize none of this stuff is easy with a kid but it's gotta start somewhere and it'll save you literal boat loads of cash in the future.
Xing 2208 1800kv is my favorite all around motor for freestyle and mid to long range on 5s 6 inch. Hurry up with a new video bob. Need more content stop holding out. Lol
Nice video as always :) For the cheap motor choice, here is another one: LDARC 2306 in either 1700kv or 2500kv (I have the 2500kv on my first build and I really like them, I have nothing to compare too though...) About 10 dollars on XT-xinte and about 13 dollars on banggood. I linked XT-Xinte cause they have a nice picture of it disassembled. www.xt-xinte.com/LDARC-XT2306-2500KV-CW-CCW-Motor-for-FPV-Racing-Drone-Quadcopter-Lightweight-Design-Silver-Plate-Line-p545317.html
15:56 Dude, you have a very sensitive eye. I watched those pitch maneuvers 3 times and could barely see the wobble you are referring to. If you didnt mention it, I wouldnt have seen it.
KababFPV no the video is very well laid out haha I just meant in general your thoughts on things are always shifting nothing wrong with it but Tough to keep up!
Table of Contents
01:00 - Flywoo motors
04:50 - Prop material differences
09:10 - Details of the prop
11:02 - Flight video/performance
15:09 - Motor choices and props
15:52 - 2306 vs 2207/8 differences
The Gemfan 5146.6 prop isn't available yet but I expect it to be in the next few weeks when China returns to work.
Flywoo 2306: goo.gl/xuLG6d
I recommend the 1750kv for 6S and I recommend you go 6S
Flywoo 2207: goo.gl/JTEXmb
They tell me the gold is much harder to get and results in more imperfections. That's why it costs more.
Great value motor: goo.gl/h5rofi
This is my recommendation for the best value motor. Never mind the brand, this motor has all top specs for the lowest price I've seen. The only possible down spec is that I'm not sure if it's actually 7075 aluminum. Also, while the bearings still aren't the best, they are 9mm and will hold up well. I don't recommend the counter clockwise thread.
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Rush Tank Vtx -
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Fantastic solder-
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Xing 2208: goo.gl/PcJ7GG
Xing 2306: goo.gl/TT9gnw, amzn.to/2VkZ8rt
Sub $200 5" build that's still good:
Frame: goo.gl/EpXQhZ
FC/4in1 Stack: goo.gl/HprVbj
Motors: goo.gl/h5rofi
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Hey Bob, what VTX antenna do you use? Foxeer Lollipop 2 is still good choice?
Never get tired of prop discussion keep it coming please
Maximus Imany I agree , props can completely change the game
Plz don't stop!
It's really helpful if one reviewer reviews all props , because difference of opinion becomes a factor when you watch reviews from different reviewers
Bob, please continue reviewing and talking about props. Pretty much no one else does that on the level you do. Keep up the good work!
I like the prop updates man, you have consistently tried every one so I have a good reference for what you are talking about.
At 12:49 you bumped a limb, then paused and sighed like you were watching it while narrating. Lol, good timing. 👍
I'll always enjoy you flicking props, keep the prop reviews coming!
I've been having the same PID problem with my smaller quad ever since I upgraded from BF 3.3... Feels good to hear that it's probably the firmware, I've been questioning my hardware a lot for this issue...
nice to see the vids coming back out
I got my tooth pick yesterday and you sent some of these prop, thanks! I'll try them on my new build.
Hey Bob, great video. Just FYI. I have measured HQ props myself and confirmed with Zhong as well. HQ 5.1” props are, in fact, 5.1”. They are not 5” + 1mm. 1mm is only .039, and that wouldn’t make enough difference to matter.
that's what he told me so I dunno. Whatever it is it's ridiculous what these manufacturers do. There should be a standard accordance or something among them.
Awesome stuff, dude! 😃
About the 2210... Yes, please!!! 😃
Awesome vid! Do you have a review of the Johnny props? What size and pitch and who makes it?
They're not out yet. I'm not supposed to share yet.
Love these! You are my first source of info for props and other things... keep it up! Edit: can you make a review of the Emax ECO motors?
when I get a chance, sure
Yesterday I saw you on tv at Drone Wars, that drone chair though... eh eh
Thanks Kabab, great video. We are going to be using the Flywoos for testing our new frame :) Didn't see a link for the props though.
They're not available yet. Should be soon I'm guessing?
Your classic saying is...More on that later...Really dig how you examine quad parts. Wonder if you have tried some Dal 5249...super quiet and smooth prop. Your awesome Dude!
Yeah I wasn't impressed with it. It's just a big heavy prop that motors often struggle to spin. They feel like 7" props but are 5.2". Maybe it was just the two quads I tried them on but I wasn't impressed.
At low feedforward values, there are probably areas in fast recoveries where the FF and D terms are both functioning as damping terms, and that might be what you're experiencing with that. I think the over-smoothed nature of my older 0/0 D-Setpoint/Transition range can force some extra smoothness as well, although as you mentioned there is a cost to responsiveness contained in there.
I really think there is a use for 2306 motors because of that big hump of torque down low, especially with lower pitch stuff on low weight quads - but I still can't get past how much I love the ultra-linear nature of 2207/2208's with V2 Cyclones
Yeah that's why I like 2208 but the issue is that damn wobble when you let off the gas.
I just got the flywoo motors I’m ready for them to arrive those are pretty much the only motors I could get and afford so we will see how they go on this new build on the new speedybeev2 5”frame
Very informative. I can always count on learning something from your vids
After watching this video these motors are make by iFlight. or at their factory. the base is the same and they have the O ring (thats awsome) the shafts look the same and they have the conical shape to them. I love how you don't have to guess tension on the bottom bell screw. I thought that when I saw that O ring when the Xings were shown apart online, that you could crank down on the screw without issue.
The O ring is a surprisingly great upgrade. I have to agree. The screw doesn't even need locktite or anything. I'm not sure it's made by iflight. As far as I know it's not.
I've been using the DalProp 5050c ( because their on sale on PyroDrone lol ) with my Ummagawd 2150 motors. Honestly its a great prop. durable and a lot of low end control! Over 2 minutes of flight!
Thanks for review, Bob. Is there any chance you can do vid on how props differ between colors. I've been using the 51499, the yellow is unobtanium durable, but the purple is really flimsy in comparison.
There are differences but they're minor. Usually the clear colors are a little stiffer and a little more durable. The difference is the color parts. It kinda contaminates the actual plastic
Thanks for all the help on IG
I just love how he actually replies to DMs.
ugh, functionality in motors is achieved, now comes the fashion, just like with phones
yep basically
@@Kabab Still, good end result. Motors, Firmware, Frames, and Props are pretty well sorted anymore. If we can get ESC's that don't spontaneously flambe, VTXs with better cross-compatibility, and affordable diversity CRSF, then I think we're basically there. I would also like to see somebody compete directly with the Eagle sensor and try to get to Predator/Arrow latency with it.
Still haven’t peaked yet...keep it coming doc
I just want to see these xing 2210 at full trottle with 6 inch biblade
The video at the end is with a 7" prop
7" triblade!!!
we want Avan Long Range 7" bi blade, please emax hahaa
@@salviaaable Agreed! I run the Avan LR 6" on my 4s Rooster with Emax RS 2306 2700kv motors. They're not amp hungry, and do pretty good freestyle too. Cruising around and maybe doing a couple power loops, I get between 6-8 mins of flight with 1y/o Tattu 1300mah 45c Lipo's that have been swollen for 3 months. I'd love some Avan 7inch bi-blades.
As someone who has x2 5" on a 2306 2800kv bi blade setup...23xx definitely have a different power curve...but over all I wouldn't go back to a 22xx motor!
11:30 - Wow, that location is awesome. Especially at sunrise (I'm guessing before work)
This was actually very early in the morning I believe
Hi bob! Great video as always. What prop would you recommend for xing 2207 2450kv 4s?
This prop. The 5146.6. It's really excellent. Otherwise, the Tmotor T5143 is good as is the S3 prop
I've been looking at yours and others views on various props because I was on my last set that came with my Hawk 5, but there's just too many and too many opinions, so I took the easy route and received 5 more sets of Avan Flow's in the post today because I know they work well, just in time for the calmer weather next week :)
Any prop from the last year will work well. You don't need to worry about that. I personally am not a fan of the Avan Flow. I feel it's inefficient and slow. Any of the HQ props will perform better to me and give longer flights.
You're lightyears beyond my experience of 5" props, but I aim to fly a lot more and learn a lot more about various handling aspects of 5" quads this year.
I've been consistently getting over 3.5 mins from the Hawk 5 with the Avan Flows, running 1300mAh packs with a sport cam on top doing lots of fast maneuvers.
I like watching these prop videos. Interesting stuff. I’m checking out the Xing 2208 2450kv (I don’t want to change to 6s, have too many 4s batteries that are still good). What props would you recommend/ are your favourite for that size motor now?
I think this new gemfan 5146.6 is probably my most prefered prop on either 2208 or 2306. Other good props are the T5143, S3 however tht S3 is a bit slow and HQ 5.1x4.1x3
You can get away with running fairly low KV on 4S, especially with 2208 stators. Unfortunately, the only iFlight 2208's in 2150KV are the older Tachyons, which are kinda heavy.
Thank you ! This helps new people to the hobby like me .
Too many comments to go through them all and see if it was explained already, but I felt the same characteristics on the 2306 vs 2207 motors. (I haven’t tried anything else)
My theory is that 2306s motors spool up quicker than 2207s at least that’s what I noticed, so that wobble you find on 2207s and not on 2306s after letting off the throttle and pitching forward is due to the motor not being able to spoil fast enough to lock in attitude if that makes sense. I suck at explaining things
Yep I believe as the code improved it started allowing for more drastic input execution and this may be a physical effect that we can't get rid of. At least in betaflight for now.
Looks like a really cool motor!!! Also looks like it works great!!!!!!
AWESOME FLYING!
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About that Roboticness with FW...I've recently experimented with the current limiting on BlHeli32. If I set it to a little lower value like 45-60amps it really smooths out the movements of my kwad. I played with this value until I felt like it was a good mix between smothness and response.
KababFPV i would recommend you to try the master air screw RS 5x4.5x3. this prop is supper responsive and grip. but they are still glassnylon so durability is not great. but the feel is soo good
Hello and thanks for your vieos!
Is the wobble problem on 2207-2208 motors still visible with BF 4.0 ?
Haven't tested. Hopefully not
received and built my toothpick frame today, cant wait to maiden it. LOS in the house (ya i know) and I could tell it's going to rip!!
On paper, nylon-polycarbonate composites should make it actually tougher (depending on which resin or butyl-styrene binder is used), so the MasterProp material sounds awesome. To me, a lighter version of the 5149 is probably absolutely perfect for what I'm after - just depends on how linear the thrust delivery is. I think stiffer probably trumps lightweight with big powerful motors, although the lighter 2306's seem to really enjoy low weight props and get that amazing wispy feel consistently.
This prop is really fantastic. I tried not to over Hype it but it's going to be my go to prop moving forward until something better comes around. It very easily took the title as my go to prop.
@@Kabab I know you don't enjoy doing dedicated prop reviews that much anymore, but feedback like this is basically invaluable. Also, this would complete my journey to a favorite propeller in each size being Gemfan (right now is the 2040, 2540, 3052, 6042-3, & 7042 flash with T5046C and 5149's tied evenly).
Thanks for taking the time to explain why your new favorite prop is just that!!!
@@Kabab Well, I find myself in agreement again. Definitely go-to status, only omission is POPO compatibility on these.
The mixture of smoothness and grip these achieve with tall stator motors is really excellent, as long as there's some torque in the bank these things are just amazing. On motors with less torque, I'm starting to prefer running really high KV and lower pitch lightweight props (Ethix S3 and HQ 5.1x3.6x3 are impressive) to get a locked in feel that's similar... although that setup has me running some outright absurd combos like 6S 2250KV 2205 on low pitch to get the feel comparably decent to where my favorite vanilla 4S 2207 2550KV setup is with these props.
So if I am a racer, would u reccomend me these or the HQ v1s 5146
Ha, I’m glad someone else has that wobble. Driving me nuts. Of my multitude of quads, only one has it, and always when pitching forward. I’ve tried everything to get rid of it. I can only make it softer or harder lol. Interestingly it’s my only quad on t motor props, and I haven’t had time to test others yet. I have others with 2207s and a 2208 that don’t suffer from it.
It's tht most annoying thing I've ever dealt with in the past 4yrs.
DUUUDDE I found a pack of gemfan 5x3 bi-blades from like 2 years ago still in the pack. a part of me wants to fly them just to take a trip down memory lane but pretty sure the weight of my rig & it being 5s would explode them so probably going to keep them as a relic. Like they even have the inserts for smaller motor shafts. we take props for granted now a days but they've came a long way. I'm thankful for the props we have now lmao
worst props ever. lol
I've a box of 'legacy' props, I tried flying my Hawk 5 with Gemfan 5030 2-blade props once, the power just wasn't there and when trying to bank hard at speed they couldn't deliver the power and crashed into a bush, every single blade broke off, I laughed.
I wasn't feeling the t motor prop on 2450kv 4s. Felt under powered coming out of dives. I gota try them on my 6s build to see if I like them. Thanks for putting out these videos bud!
Right, that's where the new Gemfan prop comes in. It's damn near perfect to me.
have you ever tried a 2405 motor? I have some nicely built hobbywing 2405 2800kv which have 231mmq less than a 2306 motor (for reference, a 2207 has 168mmq more than a 2306). How do you think they'll do with these props? how do you think the wider stator will feel? are those motors too weak for this kind of prop? thank you !
Yeah 2405 starts getting really super overpowered at the bottom range. Maybe good for past 700g auw quads.
Hello! Are these propellers compatible with 2205 2300kv engines powered by 4s?
Or would it be better to use Gemfan 51433?
Thanks so much
Consider the 51433 but both will work well
As you know props much better than most I have a question you may be able to help me with. I run an ultralight 250g dry racing Drone with outdated dys 2205 2750kv motors. I find the grip low and slow speed control lacking. I am currently using 5040 cyclones or 5042 windancers as I am trying not to cook those motors. What props would you recommend
Definitely this prop, the Gemfan 5146.6. For now you can consider the gemfan 5149 probably. It's particularly good for racing. Or the newer Tmotor race prop. I forget the numbers on it. Don't worry about cooking the motors. That won't happen. All that will happen is that the top of your throttle will feel like it does nothing if the motor is overpropped.
@@Kabab thanks, good to know I have few of the 5149 so I can try that out until these new ones are available
" I don't recommend the counter clockwise thread." - is this specific to Eachine motor or counter clockwise thread isn't needed these days (in general)?
It's only because having two different prop nuts and two different motors to do maintenance on is extremely expensive and annoying.
Back before everyone started using ny-loc nuts to secure their propellers, they used clockwise and counterclockwise motor threads, (Instead of all CCW motors with CW threads like the majority of manufacturers make today) to keep the prop nuts & props from spinning themselves off. The clockwise motors were more prone to spinning the nut off because it turns in the same direction as the nut tightens. Nowadays with the use of ny-loc nuts, there's no need for counterclockwise threads, but alot of the real cheap motors are still sold with both CW & CCW threads.
I thought i had a defected 2207 with that wobble tried all kinds of tuning and props.
Definitely gonna try these props!
Yeah, as soon as Serge has them available with a bulk discount, I'm probably buying a 40rack
I noticed those arms are coated to something (when you;re showing the XING motors). What is that?
Have you seen the new ECO motors from Emax? For only $12 they seem unbeatable
Thanks for the heads up, going to build a 'basher' quad and was eyeing up the DYS Samguk's, but cheap Emax motors? Yes please!
Haven't yet but they look good
@@licensetodrive9930 DYS just released the "SUN-FUN" motors as well and 3B just released their 3B Trainer motors in 2306 and 2206, 7 different Kv's from 4-6S. I just ordered the 3b trainers for my basher apparently they are unbeatable. Thick curved magnets, hardened steel shaft, large set screw, and tiny air gap. Would def check them out before you get the EMAX... one weird thing is EMAX will not release thrust tables for the ECO's... which is suspicious
Thrust tables are pointless. You have nothing to compare them against an they literally mean absolutely nothing.
@@Kabab Do you think that is the reason they have excluded them in all their marketing for the motors?
I decided to try the same Flywoo motors to see how they compare to my Xing 2406 2450 kv. I need a reliable 4 in 1 esc now. Since you’ve been using the Flywoo 50a any complaints ? I was also looking at Hiolybro Tekko 32 metal. Thoughts ???? Peace brother ✌️
The trkko is fine as is the diatone mamba. The Flywoo is identical to the xing on the inside.
KababFPV Thank you for the information that I needed. Im all set now. Peace brother ✌️
Great video! love these discussions about motors and props.
I'm just wondering, why do you use the dominators v3?
I feel like you have access to all the hardware you want, is it beacuse of the 16:9 on the micro eagle? worth the goggle fov sacrifice?
I don't like any of the HD goggles optics including the HDO. They have extremely blurry edges. The dom V3 was the last pair that actually had optics that were acceptable. I would prefer a 4:3 screen but I'm totally fine with the wide screen. In fact it's gotten to the point where i prefer a 4:3 camera on the 16:9 screen which is weird to me. I'm waiting on the Orca goggles and hoping they'll have good optics and a good screen.
Freeform prism optics is where our goggles should be at.
Every once in a while I dig out & have a look through my Sony Glasstron PLM-700E's, 800x600 res video glasses from 20 years ago that, optics wise, wipe the floor with all current goggles.
@@licensetodrive9930 it's really really sad. Fatshark has made an absolute killing off the industry and just put out garbage after garbage.
@KababFPV For sure, I wish I could have HD2's without the blurry edges. When I got the chance to ask them about using freeform prism lenses 15 months ago, Greg(?) did reply they developed a prototype but ran into problems, notably the panel manufacturers keep making them smaller and smaller, which means higher magnification lenses and more difficulty in getting your eyes aligned correctly: rcgroups.com/forums/showpost.php?p=38455734&postcount=8
I'm still on box goggled that are 800x480 I can't justify buying fatsharks, I feel like the only thing I would gain would be size. Is it worth it?
I normally fly micro's, but now want to build a 5 incher. In the micro size it really matters if a prop is 2035 or 2135. This prop is 51xx. Does that matter for the frame? Or can I just use it on every 5 inch frame?
almost all 5" frames should fit 5.1" props. Almost all, not all
@@Kabab I was thinking about that 5 inch cockroach frame you recommend in your description.
I hope he makes the 2210 motor. I really want that size. And I would like to try some 2307 motors. I know Hyperlite make 2307 but not in the KV that I'm wanting, 1500 or 1600kv I imagine would be ideal for what I am wanting to do. Thanks for another vid, I love listening to your opinions and thoughts about hardware performance.
1500-1600kv is excellent for 7" 5S and 6" 5S and 6S
How do you feel about the Gemfan 5143 Windancer ?
Not a big fan. Slow prop. Good control but just very slow
So......are my Samguk Wei motors junk? Im not experienced enough to tell but it flys well
Well if you think it flies good with those, get you some better ones and blow your own mind!!!
The samguks are fine (compared to tmotor F40 iii)
no they're fine. When you get better you eventually see the differences more and more and want better.
Upgrade to 3B trainers, Emax ECO's, RCX 2207's..... there are SO many awesome high value motors right now
When are the 5146.6 going to be released?
Not sure but should be soon
for the wobble I assume you've tried upping your idle.. Oh can't wait to see the Xing in action!
Yeah no help. I went as high as 15%
@@Kabab motor protocol change, and more fiddling with blheli suite hahaa^^
For someone not wanting to spend to much but still wanting the best flying quad, would you still recommend the mamba stack or something like an eachine 35A ESC with an helio fc?
For now, yes. But the better quality stacks are really coming down in price quickly.
KababFPV okay thanks for letting me know, anything I should be on the lookout for?
The piroflip stack with the new ESC is really nice. The Mamba has been seemingly reliable however. I haven't heard many if any issues from people. I haven't personally used however.
Nice thoughts and content as always, by the way, why don't you race? Sure that you could make great setups for that also not just acro, I will like to understand your reasons to not racing
I just don't have the time unfortunately.
All I know are Dalprop and HQ. I was told the Gemfans were not very good. These are better suited for Freestyle? My sources are mostly racers.
This has been the case for a long time but the latest few props they have made are very popular with racers too and are actually impressive. Try the 5149 (not the 5149.9). The 5149 is not very good at low speed but at high speed it's extremely impressive. The grip at high speed is unmatched. This 5146.6 is similarly impressive in that sense but also has good low speed control.
Thanks for the great info! When buying motors how to know that i am going to get clockwise and counter clockwise motors? I bought 4 motors and they were all clockwise threaded so my props come loose sometimes. Thanks man!
typically most people hugely dislike counter clockwise threads. Props really don't come loose if you tighten them and use a locknut. You need to hit a lotta stuff usually if the top of the motor bell is properly designed with good grip on it. The issue with CCW is that if you loose a nut, you're screwed. CCW nuts are a pain to source and annoying to carry. But some still prefer never having props come loose. Oh yeah you also need to install your motors a certain way and have spars that are the correct direction...yuck. Too much complexity
Wouldn't the power hump be smoothed out by applying throttle expo?
That 2206/07 wobble... God it's so freaking frustrating. You build a mid/high-end rig for smooth footage, bf 3.4 comes out and suddenly my 2.5yo-beaten up-full realacc-f3-QAVX clone flies better at 1/4 the price. Do you have any knowledge on this issue on other firmware, like butterflight?
Butterflight is unfortunately dead so I wouldn't bother with that. I don't know anything else about the issue but it's super duper annoying. Yes a throttle curve can help smooth it out but it also causes weird inconsistencies that I'm not a fan of. It's hard to tune a throttle curve. I'm way too lazy to spend too much time on something like that from quad to quad. I'd rather just have it flight right from the get go. Thankfully these new props from gemfan and azure make it possible.
@@Kabab Didn't knew about butter :/
Seems like a time to drop the Avans and HQs then!
@KababFPV what is helio going to be running or is it just merged betaflight code now. Any future support for helio boards coming in betaflight?
@@danmarsiglia208 betaflight will probably never support Helio. Helio must maintain their own fork of betaflight.
Great video!
dude what fc are you running...your footage is smoooooth
This quad has a talon F7 in it but it has nothing to do with the FC at all. It's more my settings and I don't remember if I had the ND filter on or not here. I don't think I did. My settings are default with 1.25 RC rate and a FF of 19.
Brotherbobby has said that they have comfirmed a 5% increase in thrust potential using 18awg over 20awg wire.... that may explain it
MY apologies, it was Emax who said it in their advert for their "Lite spec" 2207 series.
Could you make a review of the emax eco series?
I'll see if i can find some time
What LUT do you use?
What LUT?
That was a quality ghost branch!
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Do u think the dys wei 2207 1750 for my 6s build are worth it? Or are they just total crap
They're not crap but I also don't think they're worth it. The Emax eco looks a lot better and the Eachine 2306 is surprisingly good too
KababFPV if I were to raise my budget to 12-18 ish dollars, are there any motors significantly better than the ecos?
@@DirtyLew42 I'd go for the xing 2306. Eco's are probably good too however.
I'd run the RXC LS2207 or EMax ECO over those.... or go XING. If you're tight budget wise, RCX.
Those motors look bad ass! Does DYS make a good motor? I’m using their Samguk motor for $9. While I learn to fly. They have taken a lot of abuse but still work flawlessly.
The samguk motors are alright. They work, perform alright but that's about it. Not a bad value but after just a dozen flights or so the bearings start going bad. Still usable and fine, just not nice. I'd sooner buy the RCX motors before those. The RCX are as good as some top shelf motors but they're $10
I fly hq 5136 try them for really smooth fly man :)
Those little Gemfan hooks are great for picking my teeth :)
How can these motors be efficient when the manufacturer's spec sheet already shows really low efficiency numbers?
Spec sheets are not very helpful. Bench tests are almost completely meaningless unless you have something to compare them against. The only well standardized testing in the industry I know of is miniquadtestbench.com. Otherwise you can totally disregard anything you see on any manufacture site.
@@Kabab The manufacturer specs are unloaded and loaded measurements and are typically not that far off. Otherwise you couldn't even rely on specs like weight, Kv, Io, Rm ... when finding a motor.
Also, why would a manufacturer show significantly lower numbers for efficiency?
@@xnoreq that's correct. You cannot rely on kv or pretty much anything. It's all an estimation. If you scan MQTB you'll see some motors are in excess of 100kv off. Don't look at any spec sheet from any company. It's completely useless. For one thing, the reason why this motor looks less efficient than some others is because it's a well made motor which means it can generate more torque and get up to higher RPMs under static load. That doesn't mean more thrust due to thrust dynamics in a static environment that isn't defined. As a result it pulls more amps and looks less efficient. Forget all manufacturer thrust charts entirely. They are 100% useless. Especially when there is nothing to compare them against
@@Kabab I don't think you understand.
Mqtb doesn't do Kv measurements properly as far as I can tell. They measure unloaded rpm/V. But Kv is rpm required to produce 1V back emf.
That's why you never get the right rpm if you multiply Kv with your supply voltage ... because that's not what Kv tells you.
Now the manufacturer data may be rounded. That will introduce inaccuracies, but those are quantifiable and they are nowhere near allowing this motor to be highly efficient at high throttle, 6s with that prop.
Mqtb also said that their other numbers are not accurate in an absolute sense.
The manufacturer numbers seem not far off. Some number crunching shows that you can get this motor to be fairly efficient but only at lower thrust, going to 4s, different prop...
@@Kabab Just out of curiosity, what is the average throttle you'd say you use during your flights?
Because it might be that you use quite low thrust on average. There, efficiency can be quite good.
Ethix s3 or hurricane 51466?
I haven't tried the Ethix S4 but I've heard really surprisingly good things.
@@Kabab i asked about S3 not S4 :D
@@Maorifpv 51466
@@Kabab good because i ordered 300 51466 :D Im using S3 right now
nice tree topRacing ;) what is going on with brotherhobby and this new speeeeed shield V2 ?! aviable in 3400kv !!! rated for 6s throug the range is that even possible ? i mean 20K RPM are freakin fast, and todays dry bench testing resul in 50K + RPM (please correct me when im wrong) and DR1 racing puts 2200 KV on 6s and.. it that the current "limit" of an "rotor" spinning through the air, and above that... Blades have to shape, and feel (material?) very different to todays "flimsy" ones...
.. dunno maybe in the next few yeahrs FPV drones especially those build for proffesional racing getting dangerous in the wrong (hands)
I haven't seen that motor but 3400kv is just stupid. No point and it's just wasteful, you're right
@@Kabab www.banggood.com/Brotherhobby-Speed-Shield-2207_5-V2-1560175019202108240027003400KV-4-6S-CW-Thread-Brushless-Motor-for-RC-Drone-FPV-Racing-p-1421727.html?rmmds=mywishlist&ID=531637&cur_warehouse=CN
Ridiculous
What 1050’s are you using?
Pulse 1050. It's just 185g. That's why I like it.
thanks mate
Ahhhh the ole Betaflight wobble. Thought maybe it was finally fixed. Guess I'll wait till 4.0 to try again, but that is the sole reason I switched to F1.
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Great vid as usual. Dr, should I be flossing my 4 and 6 yr old kids teeth? In all seriousness.
You should floss them if you can get them to sit still for a minute or two. If nothing, just get the floss in their mouths so they used to the idea. You should also brush for them too. Kids don't develop the dexterity to properly brush until age 7 or so. So let them brush and then you finish it up. At least just scrub each surface for a moment in there. I realize none of this stuff is easy with a kid but it's gotta start somewhere and it'll save you literal boat loads of cash in the future.
KababFPV yep, makes total sense. Thank you very much!
what A do they have
What A?
@@Kabab amphours
swagging gold motors, gold standoffs, gold camera cover, gold battery straps, gold battery, big gold chain and gold locks
...and can only be flown in the golden hour of the day...
lol
Wait, are you telling me I gotta pull my Emax White Tops out the drawer? lol
Iflight has that blue o ring first
Yes as I said, the Xing and these Flywoo's are the only ones I've noticed so far.
Xing 2208 1800kv is my favorite all around motor for freestyle and mid to long range on 5s 6 inch. Hurry up with a new video bob. Need more content stop holding out. Lol
It's already done. I just can't post it until the 24th. That means it's going up on the 23rd. Shhhh 😏
@@Kabab I don't know what you're talking about? 😉 Lol
Gold Member!
is it sing? zing? shing? jing? anyone speak chinese and can clarify?
Amp-Hibious if you learn standard and correct Pinyin, which I did in Taiwan, then ‘Xing’ is pronounced ‘Shing’
master prop sounds like feemasenory underground slang......
Nice video as always :) For the cheap motor choice, here is another one: LDARC 2306 in either 1700kv or 2500kv (I have the 2500kv on my first build and I really like them, I have nothing to compare too though...) About 10 dollars on XT-xinte and about 13 dollars on banggood. I linked XT-Xinte cause they have a nice picture of it disassembled. www.xt-xinte.com/LDARC-XT2306-2500KV-CW-CCW-Motor-for-FPV-Racing-Drone-Quadcopter-Lightweight-Design-Silver-Plate-Line-p545317.html
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Actually pronounced “shing” :D
Pure propAganda
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I always pronounced it as Zing
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I like sharp control but im a filthy racer. LOL
Gemfan 1! 2! 3! 4! 5! 😂
15:56 Dude, you have a very sensitive eye. I watched those pitch maneuvers 3 times and could barely see the wobble you are referring to. If you didnt mention it, I wouldnt have seen it.
The more you do this stuff the more you notice everything.
You lost me on this one my dude kind of all over the place lol
? Where at? I try to keep things as organized as I can
There's also a table of contents
KababFPV no the video is very well laid out haha I just meant in general your thoughts on things are always shifting nothing wrong with it but Tough to keep up!