Red Bull Ring Westschleife (Old Österreichring) Track Walk POV
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 18 ก.ย. 2024
- A track walk on the abandoned West Loop (Westschleife) of the old Österreichring, today known as Red Bull Ring.
The Österreichring was one of the finest Formula One circuits in the 70's and 80's. In 1996 the track was shortened and the West Loop was abandoned.
Today there are rumours that the West Loop could be back into use within a couple of years. But as you can see in my video, there is a lot of work to do before this part will be suitable for racing again.
Look also at the abandoned Mashall Post at 5:05
I made this track walk on Friday June 23, two weeks before the Austrian GP.
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Strongly support your opinion. It was one of the finest track of the 70s and 80s.
Nice impressions from the old track. Hopefully, the will bring backt parts of the old track.
Thanks for uploading.
It would be great, but without chicanes!
There are construction works at the Westschleife. There are plans to use it in the WEC Series
Who ever was clever enough to keep the old section of the track was a genius!! Most of the other old tracks (Kyalami being my favorite that has been partly demolished) are lost as something else was built there or it was demolished and nature took back what belonged to it. Amazing to see the old section in tact and in fairly good condition too! Epic upload
Agree. It's good that section is still there, even if it is not used anymore. You named old Kyalami, but another example is old Zandvoort. I saw you already discovered the video ;)
@@Circuitsofthepast yeah thats awesome, just because it isn't used doesn't mean we don't want to see it 😉.. Yeah I saw that vid it's cool, Kyalami is my favorite as its an hours drive from ym home and watching old videos Keke Rosberg rip around it and break the lap record, magic! It's cool to see the Zandvoort golf course owner tried to keep the course part unchanged just with grass I can live with that..
Erst einmal Danke für die Mühe die du dir machst all diese tollen Orte zu bereisen dein Channel trifft genau meinen nerv was Motorsport Historie angeht ... war vor knapp einem Monat in Monza und wollte unbedingt die alten Steilkurven sehen ich kann nur sagen in echt einfach Wahnsinn mit Mut hat das damals nix zutun gehabt so steil dass man zu Fuß fast nicht hoch kommt.
Danke. Ich war für 3 wochen auch in Monza und hab die alten Steilkurven auch besucht. Das Video erscheint bald. Hier ein Vorgeschmack th-cam.com/video/Pem0vupi4S8/w-d-xo.html
Fantastic video. I hope they do eventually restore the section of track you walked along to extend the current circuit.
I've seen a clip of a race on the old layout and it's amazing how good the circuit was then
I hope it too, but without chicanes.
@@Circuitsofthepast I went to F1 1985 GP and i took place at 1st chicane..and it was great!😁 A not easy chicane!
Cool!! Finally someone who took the trouble to fill this gap :). Very nice and detailed. It would have been perfect with a walk to the old boschkurve down the stand, to hoghlight the distance from the current circuit and the cutting of the former banking. But it's very good nontheless!
Thanks :) It was not the most easy track walk, it was a very steep climb and as you can see it also started raining. As far as I know there is nothing left of the old Bosch Kurve.
The boschkurve is remodeled and is T4 at the Red Bull Ring, called Gösser.
i am just sitting in the bus bus on the westschleife, waiting for departure from motogp18 :) great video again, as always!
greetings from austria
Servus!
Correction: "what will forever be remembered as the finest Formula 1 track of all time". This almost brought tears to my eyes.. Österreichring, more than any other, was the perfect circuit for the near-1000hp F1 cars of 1987 to stretch their legs.. The poetic vision of these cars as they thundered around this ultra-fast and undulating circuit, with showers of sparks coming off their skid plates, will never be forgotten.
I really like these videos as I'm nostalgic about old racing circuits. Would love to see one for Kayalami circuit in South Africa.
Thanks. A visit to Kyalami would be great. However, it's a long journey from the Netherlands.
I know what you mean, I live in the the UK. Wouldn't be so bad to go to Kyalami if F1 still raced there.
Circuits of the past I wish they would rebuild old hockenhiem and use it as the old layout.
Kyalami is still used though. It got rebuilt and extended so many times that there's nothing left of the old original circuit.
4:33 trees look like from GPL Monza :D
Maybe they used the trees from the Österreichring for Monza ;)
One of the old ones ... Thanks to show us this .. The old track thanks
Quite a hike, Hermann, and in the rain, too! Thanks so much, and I quite agree with you about the necessity for changes, should they race there, again.
was an amazing circuit i remember it from my childhood needs to be reopened as close as possible to the 1982 layout be great to have so high speed tracks instead of todays tilkedrome circuits
I agree :) They should reopen it without chicanes.
I am afraid of Zandvoort is loosing its remarkable track character during modernising for upcoming Formula one races depending on strict safety rules. Greetings from an Austrian fan. It's always great fun to watch you dutchmen support Max Verstappen in Spielberg.
I was also afraid they will ruin Zandvoort for F1. It's the track I have the most beautiful memories by far. In the early 90's I was there almost every weekend.
However, they will modify only 3 corners. The Hugenholtz Corner will be moved inside a little, to create a small run-off on the outside. They will also change the shape a little. Now it's a true hairpin, but it will become a parabola.
The Hans Ernst Corner (for me it's still the Nissan Corner) wil become faster. And the most spectacular adjustment will be on the Arie Luyendijk Corner. That one will become an 18 degrees banking, so F1 carn can take it with open DRS.
Fortunately, the track will keep it's character. Actually, my biggest concern was they would cut off the Gerlach Corner and Hugenholtz Corner to enlarge the paddock. That was an old plan from the late 80's. That would have ruin the track. Fortunatley, that's not gonna happen.
@@Circuitsofthepast I think the recipe of why current design of Zandvoort is still beautiful, because they keep Hermann TIlke away from ruining it.
If they did, I believe the first corner he'll erase is the Hugenholtz itself.
@@JeffSyam I also thionk Tilke would have redesigned the Tarzan Corner (first corner) into a very slow hairpin for overtaking. If the Grand Prix settles at Zandvoort for a long that coild be an issue anyway, because the Tarzan Corner is actually to fast for modern F1 to overtake.
@@Circuitsofthepast Although radius is different, but that corner remind us of Suzuka's 1st corner, a race track designed by John Hugenholtz. I would be pissed if they change it. But you can see Suzuka's 1st corner stay unchanged until now.
Btw, I know Zandvoort wasn't designed by John, but you can see similarity of ideas: Flowing fast corners and few chicanes.
The original track was the first win of the 917, it was in 1969 race number 29, Jo Siffert.
After Hockenheim my most missed one
As I recall, Dietrich Mateschitz wanted to restore the circuit to it's former glory, but was facing opposition from local authorities & environmentalists. With his passing, I don't know if Red Bull themselves will still push on with what could be a fantastic memorial to him.
I think the old layout is lost forever now. By the way, Mateschitz didn't want an exact copy of the old Österreichring. You can see the proposal in this video: th-cam.com/video/NStIXNn3SK0/w-d-xo.html
Nice one Herman, thanks :) Always has to bloody rain huh :/
When I arrived at the circuit it was beautifull wheter. The rain came suddenly when I walked the old part.
this is real mountain weather
Wow, the left kink after the first corner/chicane is quite sharp, must have been a bit scary in cars with little to no downforce. Did you need any permits to go there? I was there 3 yrs ago and did not realize you can just enter the West Loop...
Actually, it was officially not allowed to enter the old section. However nobody send me back. Before my vacation I wrote all operational permenent circuits on my list, also the Red Bull Ring. But they didn't respond, so I had to do it this way.
Weer n mooie clip Herman, top!
Bedankt. Ik heb vandaag een vergelijkbare video opgenomen van Brooklands.
Circuits of the past mooi zal vanavond even kijken
Looks good. Loving these vids.
Thank you :)
Why is it all the best circuits get chopped up like this - Zandvoort, Clermont-Ferrand and Hockenheim to name but three - and we're left with boring Tilke-dromes?
Hans Hugenholtz was a genius in creating circuits. best example is Suzuka. 5,8 kilometres pure challenge. still on schedule in origin oldschool style.
"hella lit" chicane
No it's Hella Licht Chicane. It was sponsored by car lighting manufacturer Hella. Licht is German for light.
That place at 12:00 where the trucks are parked is Sebring/Dr. Tiroch, is that right?
So Spooky...That poor old track :-/
I love watching these videos. I was lucky to watch the 1984 season back then and then to see what they look like now. It was sad at first to watch this video but afterwards I saw another video, dated April '17 showing the work being done to rework those sections so to bring the WEC to race there. Yes!!
+Robcart944 This video was shot on June 23 this year. The works, two chicanes, are just a begin. But to make this section suitable for racing again will be a long way to go. What I heard is that it will not be easy to get permission to reuse the West Loop. If it will be reused, it will take many years.
They should make the Red Bull Ring manly again and ad the Westschlkeife!
Yeah, but that will be a hard battle. Check also this video: th-cam.com/video/NStIXNn3SK0/w-d-xo.html
Those trees on the left were never there back in the day! Nice walk and I hope you brought your raincoat ;-)
Unfortunately, I didn't brought a raincoat. When I start leaved the car at the parking it was beautifull weather. How higher I came on the track how more rain. And when I went back the opposite happened and when I was back at the car it was great weather again.
Haha, yep always rains when you don't want it to! If you fancy a trip to the UK you could try Brooklands?! I think some of it still exists including some of the banking though some of it is now an industrial estate. It was one of the worlds first banked circuits I believe. Also there's another banked circuit in France hidden somewhere right in the middle of nowhere and apparently in very good condition
Brooklands was the first ever purpose built race track in the world. Maybe I go visit it next year!
I also heard about an old banked test track in France. Howver, there is also an operational high banked track near Paris, Lins-Montlhéry. See this video th-cam.com/video/-PC_l5UIW9I/w-d-xo.html
Niki Lauda's Homeland.
If they rebuild it, it probably won't be the same it's got to fit the FIA standards 9 miles of runoff and turn the sweeping right into a sharp stop and go right lol
If it will be reused ever there will be two chicanes in the parcours. And yes, also the run off is a big issue here. On the left side of the track are trees, and the landscape runs steep downhill. So it will not be easy to create a run off here.
The current Red Bull Ring circuit is very short and, since the cars now run in just over a minute, they are considering extending it using, at least in part, the old circuit.
It is planned to be rebuilt, isn't it?
There are rumours. But as you can see in the video, there is a lot of work to do to make it suitable for racing again.
Circuits of the past For sure if anyone, Red Bull must have the money to do this?
I heard that Red Bull want it but the austrian authorities and the inhabitants of the region are not in favor of it...
You really should speed up your video - but a good start
There is a sped up version of this track walk too: th-cam.com/video/-_oNodR4Z6s/w-d-xo.html
Swiss GP?
Bremgarten is on my to-do-list.
@@Circuitsofthepast Nice! 👍