Compared the the change in the Hush movie, the change for the Long Halloween actually works. In Hush, by changing the identity of Hush to the Riddler, the intrigue given to Thomas Elliot was lost, while in the Long Halloween, changing Gilda's motivations gives more to her character compared just a woman who wanted to spend more time with a husband and start a family.
Indeed it does. I remember when this was announced, and after having seen the Hush adaptation I was worried because I hated it. I wondered if they were gonna even keep it as Gilda or not. In fact I was thinking they were gonna change it to Sofia Falcone. Killing her way to the top to prove her worth as a woman in the mafia, or something along those lines. But the way they went was infinitely better and even more human in its own way.
Except it doesn’t do that at all. At least Hush left Elliot with a friend-Bruce-never-made-enough-time-for-before-he-was-lost dynamic. All this does is gut out the mutual love Harvey and Gilda had for each other, which had motivated their shared actions as the Holiday Killer, and replace it with one-sided revenge where Gilda just used Harvey to secure her own ends. It’s more obnoxiously foreshadowed ahead of time and makes for a much more one-note story. In the comic, Gilda and Harvey wanted to make a safer city for each other, but ultimately made Gotham worse by facilitating the transfer of crime from mobsters to themed supervillains. Here, that stuff is swept away in favor of a dull revenge subplot and some vague message of hope, and completely demeans the relationship Harvey and Gilda were supposed to have. And this is _after_ they spent so much time cutting out their happy moments together and leaving nothing but their bickering. This isn’t depth. This is just making it monotonous dour-for-the-sake-of-dour sludge.
As a lifelong Batman fan, I must say stories like these are where Batman works best. The quiet intimacy of a moment like this speaks far more to who Batman is and the world he operates in than any Justice League or global crisis drama.
I agree, while in JL movies bats is doing some crazy things to save the world. The noir films like this were he is a detective solving a case is just SO good. Idk, I just like it feels more grounded.
@Valerick Mickley Agreed the only problem is when the writer makes batman this unbeatable human who always has s backup plan. I know batman is paranoic but Im starting to get bored of that. Also he always has a BIG plot armor in those stories. You don't feel scared of batman being killed because you know "he has backup plan for his backup plan" But that's just my opinion.
@@eltemplariodetierrasanta7234 TBF the backup plans only ever comes up whenever he has to deal with the League, most likely as a way to show audience WHY he was on the same league as the rest. Any other time he had to deal with his own rouges his "backup" plans is conveniently not around and his feats became more human. Well human in a comic sense not dodging the Omega beams superhuman sense.
Because Batman is not naive either. He knew that this criminal is not the same as Joker, Riddle, Penguin Man, and Poisson Ivy. The reasons behind Gotham mafia downfall due to this woman action
@@HainiDjokovic1995 He also knows there is nothing he can do in this situation aside from killing her. Harvey Dent / Two-Face has already confessed to being Holiday and did commit several murders at the end of the film with Batman's Rogues Gallery so there is no chance of her seeing justice in the court system. Anything Batman does here aside from letting her go would instantly make Batman a villain in the eyes of Gotham, which he doesn't want to do here.
What made this mystery work so brilliantly is that when you saw holiday and looked at the killer's eyes, you couldn't tell if it was male or female at times. That subtle trick made you wonder how much of this was done by Harvey and how much was done by Gilda. There were two holiday killers. I also like how they elevated her character to being a fully licensed attorney as opposed to just a wife that wanted to make her husband's life more easier with more time for starting a family. That made Gilda more of a force to be reckoned with and more of a competent mastermind. Someone who knew what she was doing.
not in the movie. in the movie, the holiday killer clearly looks like a man and pretty sure gilda was the only holiday killer although I could be wrong
It added a lot of depth to her character too. Her motivations were much clearer than in the comic iirc especially because of how personal the actions were since Falcone was directly tied to her past.
@@appl3s0ft Y’all are applying a pretty loose definition to “depth” here. Muddying the waters so she was just using Harvey for the sake of her own revenge, instead of making it a two-way street of Harvey and Gilda both trying to kill off the crime families to make a safer city for each other, doesn’t make her a deeper character. At all. All it does is mess up the thematic throughline of the story.
And also accept your in laws because none of this would have happened if Falcony had just accepted his daughter in law. The awkward thing is that they all were so focused on each other from Batman to Jim Gordon Harvey Dent and even Falcony and his messed up family that they never saw what was right in front of them Harvey Wife.
Just watched the movie, and, while I take serious umbrage with how incompetent Batman is shown to be, this scene in particular is great. The realization that the baby bottle silencers are not only silencers, but her trademark - since Falcone killed her unborn baby and made her infertile - is damn chilling.
@@Ka-Ping I mean, an entire year passes in this movie, and he still allows himself to get blindsided by Two-Face and shit like that. Not to mention, Year One happened before this and he was more competent there.
@@RockLegend2A Getting knocked out by Harvey isn't surprising. Most people forget that Harvey has a background in the Air Force and is actually quite capable in a fight.
I like this version of the Long Halloween more than the comic. even the ending showing Batman figured out who the killer was and confronted her in the end. though, I feel bad for Alberto. didnt even want anything to do with his family and was forced away from her. and she kills him too despite he too was a victim of his father
@@lazylonewolf I don't think so. Because Harvey was with Gordon around the time of Alberto's murder when Gilda left them I believe. Also, she says what she did to his son in this clip. God bless you.
@@goku8621 he didnt exactly have a choice or even a say in it now, did he. Carmine is the head of the family and the most powerful mob boss in the city. what he says, goes. and he will make you suffer if you say otherwise. hell, you even see Carmine slap Alberto around and Alberto couldnt do anything. the only thing he planned to do was eventually leave as he wanted nothing to do with his father or even his family. and it can be told Carmine knew his son hated him, eventually saying he wished he couldve been a better father
@@FeedingFrenzy91 Harvey wasn't really "with Gordon", if you look at the Christmas scene again, both Gilda (first) and Harvey (seconds later) leave at the same time. To further add to Harvey killing Alberto, he has an argument with Gilda before it and she asks him "why can't you be more like him?", implying Alberto, which gets Dent mad. And finally, a close up of Holiday's face in a mask is shown after Alberto's death and it's clearly a man. My guess would be that Gilda started the killings (since they only included Falcone's men), then Harvey mimicked Holiday when he decided to kill Alberto. Then they both continued to kill, since from that point on not only Falcone's men were killed, but Maroni's as well, and Gilda had no reason to kill Maroni's father, which was definitely done by Dent as Holiday. Then, obviously, Gilda's last killing as Holiday is Maroni, as a revenge for disfiguring her husband. Falcone is then taken care of by Two-Face and her revenge is complete
1:12 when Gilda said, she loved harvey but not completely it symbolizes the two face persona of Harvey. How his one half is intact because of love and the other is messed up. Such a great narrative.
Gilda realized that Harvey's hidden dark persona will eventually erupt. No matter how she would try to help him. She was powerless against it. Powerless, like when her life with Alberto was annihilated by Carmine.
@@kalgarc Well… that would be assuming that DC writes logically. If they ever did a alternate universe where Batman decided to take her in and she turns the gun on him… then the pistol would be loaded. Which then means she’d be throwing a loaded gun into the fire. All to make an alternate reality happen. Are there no bullets in the gun? Maybe. But sometimes DC logic when getting rid of everything includes things that have been touched. Including bullets. So I doubt anyone would be surprised if they pull a dumb in this moment. Plus you can check to see if the ammo clip is still in the pistol in the scene.
I figured Gilda was the cause of the killings with how much they were focusing on her and how she was the personification of depression, but I'm not a fan of how Holiday on screen looked completely different from her. They cheated a little there, making Holiday look more like a man like Harvey Dent. They should have completely shaded the face or make the image blurry around Holiday instead of straight up drawing completely different eyes. I originally assumed she hired an assassin to do the killings, still technically making her the killer, but they didn't say that. Not even a mask or wireframe was used for a disguise was implied, which is kind of ehh... A great reveal and twist. Just a little confusing and sloppy. I really liked these movies, though.
even i figure out as well as there always someone broken and depressed and will go after the person who hurt or pushed theme away as it like knowing how hawkmoth is in ladybug or knowing who the season 3 flash villain was as it was hints and easy hints that you can figure it out
I thought it was Sophia so she could get all the falcone money & power her dad had she practically wore the same outfit as the killer and knew how to handle a gun well
@@londomollari1082 Before Joker became the Joker, he was a low level mobster working for Sal Valestra and killed Andrea's father. She became the Phantasm in response.
@@seanrutherford728 She clearly is not fine with what happened to Harvey. She had no regrets killing the Falcones...but Harvey was an unfortunate casualty in her little revenge plan. But she truly did love him and it is clear that she feels remorse over it. I think there are two reasons why Batman let her go: One, Harvey gave himself up and let himself take the fall for the woman that he loved because he knew that she was the Holiday Killer , so Batman didn't want to invalidate that choice. And two...it wasn't up to Batman to decide whether she deserved to be punished or not. That decision rests with Harvey and Batman didn't want to make a choice without his input. But I agree with skoshman1...sometimes letting people wallow in regret and guilt is a far worse fate than corporal punishment.
I can. Because the way she implies things, Falcone had her injured in a way that made sure she could never have children, with his son, or anyone else. Which in itself is a murder. He did something so irrefutably evil, that even Batman couldn't bring himself to bring her to justice; it had already been done, as long as she admitted she didn't plan on hurting anyone else. This movie made me REALLY hate Falcone; he made himself part of a decision that wasn't his to make, he impeded on the life of a child that was away from his life, and ironically made his son a coward, his greatest fear. Notice he constantly talks about Alberto's weakness; a mirroring of his own moral failings. He could have just accepted his grandkid and be happy but no, can't have that. I think that is the real reason his wife left him; she knew what he had done and is absolutely disgusted by it.
Her actions didn't lead to that, Harvey was already mentally unstable, Bruce mentions he failed some psychological tests and exams in Part 1. Soon or later his crazyness would end up getting worse.
@@ryansantos9844 Yes, but Gilda certainly didn't help things and her actions just poured gasoline on the fire of Harvey's mental illness. Give credit where it's due.
@@EmptyMan000 that’s a good point, plus she had several scenes where she kept pushing away Harvey. To be honest, I still question if movie Gilda truly loves Harvey, or only loves Harvey because he took the fall for her and let her get away with murder.
She has a role familiar to that of Andrea aka Phantasm. Instead of Andrea being strangled btw her Father and Bruce, Gilda was strangled with Alberto and Harvey. Phantasm kills everyone in mafia surrounding her father, Gilda kills people surrounding Alberto.
Apologies if I sound like I’m stealing from someone else’s comment: Moral of the story: take one teensy tiny piece of shrapnel from the foundation, and it all comes crumbling down.
Gilda has to be the most tragic female character from any DC animated film ever. Her whole broken life was a never ending cursed cycle of misery and lone despair.
I do feel for what Gilda lost at the hands of the Falcone family. But did she have to drag Harvey Dent with her into the depths of her darkness? Loved him or not, it was because of her actions as Holiday and his devotion and love for her that led Dent to become Two Face and kill Carmine.
@@Angyali And she used it to her advantage against "the Roman." Her actions as Holiday caused the mob to scar Harvey for life, thus creating Two Face to do her dirty work and kill Carmine. Despite his own inner demon, Harvey was loyal to Gilda. She also says she loved him, but doesn't love all of him, meaning his Two Face persona and his actions. How can Gilda say she loved Harvey when she caused this to him?? And don't say, "we always hurt the ones we love." And then Gilda has the gall to claim Harvey gave her up to Batman.
I know that bats has looked the other way before (riddler & penguin- petty crimes and stuff) but she did cold hearted murder for a whole year on holidays, a lot of holidays, I feel like he would still turn her in.
@@tonyc8258 But in the comic the killer was less obviously her, there were three suspects and the only thing linking her was the fact that she admitted it and that she was burning evidence because at most she could've only logically done like 3 of them. Most of the clues suggested Harvey or August if not both, but in this they have a whole montage telling you, yah it's her.
He did, but he also made sure she wouldn't do any more killing. Hence the line "I need to know Holiday is done." From a justice standpoint, dumbest decision Batman ever could have made, as most Serial Killers don't stop unless they're killed or captured. But I get the sense Gilda wasn't a serial killer in the sense that she can't stop or doesn't want to stop. If anything she's more of a revenge murderer.
Look, I can’t begin to imagine the pain and horrific tragedy she went through after what the Falcones did to her. They deserved what they got, but she ended up using Harvey, put a target on his back, and allowed him to be framed as Holiday which resulted in Maroni attacking him because she killed Maroni’s father. Which doesn’t even make sense cause her beef is with the Falcones, but anyway her actions not only indirectly led to Harvey’s face being half melted but also his psyche literally being split in two. She talks about how Harvey left her to deal with her own demons but she pretty much caused his own demon to completely take over leaving Two-Face in his place. Now, she gets to walk away while Harvey has to live as a schizophrenic Batman villain for the rest of his life. I just feel like in that regard she got off too easy even if she feels bad for what happened to him.
Batman's 2 biggest regrets in his life, what he considers to be 2 of the biggest mistakes of his life: 1. Not being able to save Jason. 2. Not being able to save Harvey Dent.
@@regulus7181 Imagine, DC actually made fans decide to kill off Jason, and when he came back as Jason Todd, people were shocked that the Bat family's former Robin was a stone-cold killer.
I guess the live of Alberto's doesn't matter, despite being completely innocent. Two faces killed a single person who was a gangster and murderer, Gilda killed a completely innocent person and she does not receive punishment, because she feels very sad?.
Alberto may not have been guilty, but he wasn't innocent either. He didn't deserve death for sure, but he did fail as a person. It's chilling how common it is in real life to be in that cruel spot.
Yes, he fail as a person, so what? That does not justify that he can be assassinated with impunity, His only fault was being weak. Under that premise, half the city would have to be executed.
Especially when you realize he was likely abused for most his life, he can’t simply say no to his abuser, so that just makes me unsympathetic to Gilda frankly.
If those two would've ever found out their connection, Gilda would've been just resignant at this point. And Selina probably would've thought, that if Carmine knew she wa born from one of Carmine's lovers, he would've had her aborted too, and never being born at all. Unaproved childrenbirths were a sin in Carmine's evil mind.
The Batman and The Dark Knight already took a lot of inspiration from this. You got a serial killer targeting the mob and those connected with it. Killer builds up momentum leading to the death of Carmine Falcone and the rise of the freaks. Etec. I am all for them doing another mystery movie but it will have to be an original plot.
Honestly I’m not crazy about they gave her some backstory to the Falcone family. Really I like it better that she did it because she wanted Harvey to have more time to spend with her. It gives an idea that you never know what people are capable of in Gotham and who they can turn into from its corruption.
Idk, the original seems a bit outdated. Seems pretty reductive to have a woman become a murderer just because she wants to spend time with her husband. I think giving her far more agency in her choices was the correct decision.
@@bryantjauregui965 Batman swore to protect Gotham and deliver justice!!! How the fuck is letting Gilda go just!!! She never turns herself in so no Bats should have arrested her because it is the right thing to do!! Do you even know what that means!?
Because he fell in line. He was supposed to be in love with Gilda, and yet he couldn't get away from his father's influence. Wouldn't object to her getting forced into an abortion that wound up costing her the ability to have kids in general. He abandoned her.
@@Artisan1979 But he had to make difficult choices. He didn't leave Gilda in cold blood. Leaving her is something he chose reluctantly. Alberto wanted to be away from his family just to be with her, but deep down he knows that there's only one way out of the life of mafia.
Everything makes sense in the end except for one thing. Why does Gilda kill off Alberto? They were lovers and he didn’t exactly break up with her of his own freewill. A better story would be for Gilda to kill off the whole Falcone family except Alberto. Then, the two of them can run off and live a secret life together, far away from Gotham and its sordid mob boss history.
She killed him because he didn't stand up against his father and protected her from having their child aborted. The ironic bit of forshadowing prior to his death, Alberto explains wanting to run away from his family legacy to live a normal life and having a family, something he would've had with Gilda had he stood with her.
@@detectiveluck2899 I don’t think it’s entirely possible for Harvey to cover for Gilda because there’s stuff even Harvey doesn’t know because Gilda is keeping a secret. For example, Harvey thinks it’s possible for him and Gilda to have a child together and encourages her by telling her they’ll “keep trying”. What Gilda is keeping from Harvey is that the abortion basically wrecked her body and made impossible any future pregnancy. All Gilda ever wanted was to be a mother and that potential was forever ripped away from her because of Carmine Falcone and that’s why she goes on a vengeance streak against the Falcone family. There’s a lot of symbolism in the baby bottle nipple being used as a silencer on the gun she used and this is the reason why.
@@justsomelizardwithatophat.367 Not in this universe, he hasn't. Plus most of those killers harmed innocent people. Besides, the main reason he lets her go is as an act of friendship for Harvey as repentance for failing him.
Rewatching the movie, I don't think Gilda was solely responsible for all the deaths. I think she killed the first 3, but then Harvey took over. A big tip is the murder of associates of Sal Moroni and Gilda only ever targeted the Falcone family.
@@magallanesagustin4952 Sometimes, it is hard for a woman to love a man if she hates that man's parents. Like in this case, it was Alberto's father Carmine. The cretin made both his son and former daughter-in-law suffer: forcing them to divorce, and Gilda to have an abortion, which made her infertile (unable to have another child with any other man). And the price he had to pay: the Holiday Killer aiming for his and his family's heads.
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@@taddad2641 and what stilts? Also look at where she lives she definitely doesn’t have the disposable income for throw away guns. Nor the skills to outrun Batman and successful kill all those mafiosos. This twist make zero sense
One big loophole here. Why did she kill the nephew and prevent him from testifying? I mean she just said she wanted justice and Harvey was about to get it for her. So unfortunately the premice kind of falls flat. God bless everyone.
@@FoxsDumbSeriesMaker I think in the comic book Albert was one of the Holiday killers. (It would make more sense for him to silence the person who was about to testify against his father. God bless you.
I have two theories as to possibly answer your question. (1) It is likely that Falcone would have found a way to escape justice. He is the most powerful crime lord in the city (The Godfather of Gotham) and would have likely found a way to escape justice and walk away free either by threats or bribes. It's also possible that Johnny (her nephew) would have had a hit put on his head and killed before having the chance to testify. Even though Falcone cares about family, I would not put it passed him to kill someone who threatened his whole operation; he did kill his own premature grandchild simply because it would have been born out of wedlock. (2) Gilda's thirst for vengeance was so great that she wanted Falcone dead and not just rotting in a cell. Her hatred is understandable considering what Falcone did to her and something so horrible would be extremely difficult to move past. Some people are just so govern by their hatred that they allow their bitterness to consume them and blindly govern their actions. They are not as strong as Batman who was able to overcome his personal demons and keep his darkness at bay. Similar situation happened in Batman Mask of the Phantasm. Again these are just theories but I hope this answers your question.
I love Batman, but I'm not a comic book reader, so when I first watched these two movies last night, so I generally thought it was Two face when he took ever Harvy because A because it's Two face B Harvy has he motivations to kill Falcone and the killer looks just like Harvy, so I was surprised it was revealed that Gilda was the killer because I completely forgot that she was in the movie because she was so boring compared to all the other characters, hell when I was watching the movies I couldn't remember her first name because she so forgettable and when she was revealed to be the killer it kinda rises some questions, like I said before, the killer looks more like Harvy under that mask, unless it's a very good costume or she is tried to cover up her husband's murders and why did she killed Alberto, I know that she hated the Falcone family for what Carmine did to her and Alberto, but didn't she love him, it just made her look like a bitch for killing him because I like Alberto and the only member of his family that actually feel sorry for, and she could have just killed the aunt or Carmine's gang members instead, so not do that instead.
carmine falcone forced an abortion onto gilda after finding out about her marriage to his son Alberto. He fell in line with his father and let it happen. she wanted revenge on the whole family.
@@Notso_cool27I bet it's because she blames Alberto for her misery as much as she blames his father for what happened to her because by falling in love with her by dating her and then marring her when he is related to a criminal family he indangered her the best thing he could have done for her was walk away from her the day he meant her and that is probably what she said to him the last time they spoke after what his father foolishly did to her. Or here is a theory maybe she did not mean to kill Alberto that night on the boat maybe she meant to kill somebody else in his messed up family however she snuck by Alberto and Batman and Selena Kyle she heard him rebell against Batman saying he wanted nothing to do with his family and she snap and killed him instead because she was stunned to see he had the power to rebell against Batman but could not rebell against his own father. And from my point of view this is actually Bruce Wayne fault.
Two reasons why Batman did not turn her over to the authorities: *Letting her free will give her a much harsher punishment than prison. *He actually feels sympathetic for her over what Falcone did to her and Alberto.
Gilda knows exactly, that the psychosis known as "Two-Face" has completely destroyed Harvey as a persona by now. She's basically a widow, even though his husband's body is biologically alive - inhabited by a mental demon.
I'd still take her in and tell Gordon, she's KILLED people for revenge and confused it with justice, she USED Harvey. I know why she did it, but I don't CARE, nor do I give two cents about her at all. She's done enough damage and belongs in a padded cell, FOREVER
@@TheDarkStruggler i must have offended your dragon all Z experience……my point is BATMAN TAS is a more mature cartoon it s the first of its kind ….it actually teaches you life lessons …dragonball Z is goofy compared to Batman
@@Stupidbihh I will admit Batman TAS series is alot more mature and has plenty of life lessons to teach children hell when I have children their watching Batman TAS and Batman Beyond so they can widen up but DBZ is not without its qualities. DBZ teaches children to keep fighting and to never give up especially when your hardest hit. That you have to draw upon that inner strength within you to move forward and over come. That there is evil in grand scales universal scales and they must be stopped. DBZ is goofy but it also has its life lessons to teach.
@@beyondtrash1627 What ? That’s the only cartoon i watched because i liked the darkness and seriousness instead of watching goofy cartons ….Ike what are you talking about? is it because i said a cartoon made me mature ? Idiot
First time in batman i really feel compassion for a modern bad guy (bad girl in that case) in batman: yeah Gilda is a killer but how can we blame a woman who lose the possibility to having childs ?
The holiday looks like a male in both the movies, extremely well built, agile, as he even outruns batman at times, so this makes no sense that she is holiday unless she hired someone capable of out-running batman. Harvey wasn't the holiday either. Maybe two-face (who before becoming two-face) is the holiday? Time to the read comic now to get some clarity.
This ending completely ruined the film for me - Batman just lets a serial killer go because she bad stuff happened to her...come on. The comic book is a lot better than this.
I read the comic and I gotta say this is better. If Batman arrested her what would he gain Harvey is insane the mob is dead and buried and Gotham is fine with the latter. Bruce is honoring the last bit of Harvey that remains which is the love for his wife even when Harvey figured it out he still took the blame for her caused he loved her. Nothing here would fix anything and Gilda end is worse than prison while yes she is free she lives in shame of everything that happened now alone with her inner demons to keep company in this world and the next.
Better than The Patman. Great part of movie. What happened to Gilda was ruthless and cruel, but she let Harvey pay a huge price besides letting her old husband die in movie from her actions.
I’d say this is the better ending cause her motivation makes more sense cause if I’m remembering correctly in the book SPOILERS she became Holiday just so Harvey would spend more time with her, I’ll have to re-read it
I think this is better than the whole "Gilda begun a killing spree so her husband would have less work" that twist is the one stain in what is almost a perfect Batman Story.
@@EMTeves reread the comic. She was never a murder. It was Alberto all along with Harvey delivering last two kills (Carmine and his asistent) hence why he says "there were two killers" because last two kills were on holidays two. All proofs are in the comic.
While Batman doesn't agree with the methods of people like Gilda (murder) he agrees her victims deserved it. Justice isn't always legal. It can be argued that the very foundations of the law and the judicial system help criminals get away with murder and then some while innocent people suffer and is denied justice. While the law and judicial system is necessary to keep order it's not without its flaws, contradictions, and shortcomings. There are times when the law fails to bring about justice and people take the law into their own hands and seek retribution and they call that justice. And ironically enough the law and judicial system punish those people when they failed those people in the first place. Besides Batman understands that Gilda will never find peace she will always suffer regardless of where she is in prison or in the cold confines of her home. And Batman understands that Harvey took the fall for Gilda and he isn't gonna go against Harvey's sacrifice by bringing in Gilda. He feels guilty that he wasn't able to save his friend.
@@TheDarkStruggler nope. That’s not Batman at all. Look at Jason, joker deserves it but he didn’t let him die and he wouldn’t let Jason off the hook. That’s a cop out and you know it.
These versions of superheroes are just hard to stomach. We get it, the flaws they already had just keep getting rehashed but adding more flaws makes us scratch our heads and wonder who are these posers? The 2022 film, The Batman is another example as Batman continues to fail at solving The Riddler's clues until its too late. We get it again, it would be a boring set of movies to watch bruce train up to become Batman but seeing this armature version is just wasting money.
Not at all. Their failures are what makes them compelling and interesting. In The Batman the whole theme is how Bruce fights crime using fear, except he doesn't actually change anything. He states in the opening monologue that he knows this but he keeps fighting anyways to make himself feel better. Two whole years as the Batman and crime was at the same rate and his influence gave rise to a homicidal maniac that damn near destroyed the city. At the end Batman realizes that he can be more than fear when he saves the crowd of people at the end. He realizes he can be a symbol of hope to the people and maybe then things will change. This is why Riddler is so upset at the end, he wanted attention and tried to claim it by flooding the city. But Batman was the only thing talked about in the news because he heroically saved the mayor and many innocents. In the end, he beat the riddler in his own way by denying him the attention that he so desperately craved.
@@seenyab4494 These alternate versions are dubbed as compelling and interesting are in fact at base-level are insulting. Its like the idiot people messing around with Pepsi, you mess around with a good product that doesn't need improving and you lose what you got. Of course it will appeal to some but the original earned its place in the market while other versions which are not improvements are just cashing in. At the end of The Batman, its clear that they are attempting to make him more like Superman. A critical error in writing as Batman is about Vengeance which is why he is typically alone with Alfred keeping his sanity and humanity. Dick Greyson was basically the same person but from a different background which is why in comics he was argueably the best Robin and made the best successor to Bruce.
@@fstbr4 Batman has been shown to be a symbol of hope numerous times throughout his existence. His most famous storyline, The Dark Knight Returns, is all about that. He emboldened the people of Gotham to rise up and take back their city. Batman can still have the fear and vengeance, but you can't seriously expect the character to never grow or change. These latest Batman iterations HAVE been improvements. They take Batman back to his more vulnerable roots where he actually has to struggle instead of miraculously saving the day each and every time.
@@seenyab4494 Batman is a symbol of courage driven by vengeance and not a symbol of hope like Superman. Batman is not a symbol of hope as he is too busy doing the job that law enforcement cannot do with criminals that laugh and/or ignore the laws that govern society. Its was Superman that inspires Batman to hope for a better tomorrow which was the prominent and accepted storyline unless newer DC writers decided to mess around with it. The latest iterations of Batman have been getting more flawed, vulnerable, and weaker. This latest version in The Batman is the youngest and most flawed of any making it hard to believe that he was not killed within 5 minutes of the movie. As for Dark Knight Rises, besides the stupid title the misguided theme, "Batman can be anyone" which is a ripped off theme from 'Zorro' is was lame. If that nonsense theme was true then Oliver Queen or Kal-El could have become Batman. Dick Grayson should have had no competition to succeed Bruce if that theme was true.
@@fstbr4 I didn't say "The Dark Knight Rises" I said "The Dark Knight Returns" The comic written by Frank Millar depicting an old Batman that is coming out of retirement after the death of jason Todd. In that story Batman turns a gang led by The Mutant into a force for good and has them help retake Gotham from Criminals. They also did an animated movie on that if you're interested, since you clearly aren't all that familiar with Batman and WHO he really is. Please stop projecting your image of Batman onto who Batman REALLY is. Again the new Batman is flawed and weaker but that makes their successes so much more enticing. I'd rather see Batman get his ass kicked and come back in the end than watch Batman nonchalantly take out a guy that can throw trucks with some bullshit, lazy writing that makes him somehow more powerful than a kryptonian. And if you think about it, anyone really could be your Batman, he is a regular human after all. It's easy to instill fear into everyone, but it is hard to help them see the light and goodness. I'm not saying that Batman is THE symbol of hope, but in the comics and most media he is A* symbol of hope, especially for Gotham. His Bat signal not only instills fear in the criminals but also tells the regular citizens that he is out there and that he will protect them the best he can.
When the guy with the glasses told Selina that he couldn't get with the girl she wanted and terrible things happened to her, the most depressed person comes to mind. I couldn't figure out because why would she shoot him.
Gilda used to be Alberto wife in the past. However, Carmine soon force his son to abandon her, so Alberto might take his place in the future. Alberto big mistake that he too scare of his father, too much to make Gilda abort their unborn child, letting Gilda unable to pregnant again, instead of letting her gives birth in somewhere else secretly, far away from his family. This is something that too messed up, because it not just make Gilda more depressing, but also destroyed her entirely. She blame The Falcone family, and Alberto to what they did to her.
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Compared the the change in the Hush movie, the change for the Long Halloween actually works. In Hush, by changing the identity of Hush to the Riddler, the intrigue given to Thomas Elliot was lost, while in the Long Halloween, changing Gilda's motivations gives more to her character compared just a woman who wanted to spend more time with a husband and start a family.
Indeed it does. I remember when this was announced, and after having seen the Hush adaptation I was worried because I hated it. I wondered if they were gonna even keep it as Gilda or not. In fact I was thinking they were gonna change it to Sofia Falcone. Killing her way to the top to prove her worth as a woman in the mafia, or something along those lines. But the way they went was infinitely better and even more human in its own way.
The reason in the comic was so dumb, I like more this way
Except it doesn’t do that at all. At least Hush left Elliot with a friend-Bruce-never-made-enough-time-for-before-he-was-lost dynamic. All this does is gut out the mutual love Harvey and Gilda had for each other, which had motivated their shared actions as the Holiday Killer, and replace it with one-sided revenge where Gilda just used Harvey to secure her own ends.
It’s more obnoxiously foreshadowed ahead of time and makes for a much more one-note story. In the comic, Gilda and Harvey wanted to make a safer city for each other, but ultimately made Gotham worse by facilitating the transfer of crime from mobsters to themed supervillains. Here, that stuff is swept away in favor of a dull revenge subplot and some vague message of hope, and completely demeans the relationship Harvey and Gilda were supposed to have. And this is _after_ they spent so much time cutting out their happy moments together and leaving nothing but their bickering. This isn’t depth. This is just making it monotonous dour-for-the-sake-of-dour sludge.
The “Hush” movie just pissed me off! Mostly because there was no **reason** for the changes!
Completly agree with this thoughtprocess, that was my exact conclusion of the two stories as well.
As a lifelong Batman fan, I must say stories like these are where Batman works best. The quiet intimacy of a moment like this speaks far more to who Batman is and the world he operates in than any Justice League or global crisis drama.
I agree, while in JL movies bats is doing some crazy things to save the world. The noir films like this were he is a detective solving a case is just SO good. Idk, I just like it feels more grounded.
TLH stands out as a prime example of batman *actually being a detective*
@Valerick Mickley Agreed the only problem is when the writer makes batman this unbeatable human who always has s backup plan. I know batman is paranoic but Im starting to get bored of that. Also he always has a BIG plot armor in those stories. You don't feel scared of batman being killed because you know "he has backup plan for his backup plan"
But that's just my opinion.
@@eltemplariodetierrasanta7234 TBF the backup plans only ever comes up whenever he has to deal with the League, most likely as a way to show audience WHY he was on the same league as the rest.
Any other time he had to deal with his own rouges his "backup" plans is conveniently not around and his feats became more human. Well human in a comic sense not dodging the Omega beams superhuman sense.
You know the ending is extra sad when Batman lets the criminal go.
Because Batman is not naive either. He knew that this criminal is not the same as Joker, Riddle, Penguin Man, and Poisson Ivy. The reasons behind Gotham mafia downfall due to this woman action
@@HainiDjokovic1995 He also knows there is nothing he can do in this situation aside from killing her. Harvey Dent / Two-Face has already confessed to being Holiday and did commit several murders at the end of the film with Batman's Rogues Gallery so there is no chance of her seeing justice in the court system. Anything Batman does here aside from letting her go would instantly make Batman a villain in the eyes of Gotham, which he doesn't want to do here.
What made this mystery work so brilliantly is that when you saw holiday and looked at the killer's eyes, you couldn't tell if it was male or female at times. That subtle trick made you wonder how much of this was done by Harvey and how much was done by Gilda. There were two holiday killers. I also like how they elevated her character to being a fully licensed attorney as opposed to just a wife that wanted to make her husband's life more easier with more time for starting a family. That made Gilda more of a force to be reckoned with and more of a competent mastermind. Someone who knew what she was doing.
not in the movie. in the movie, the holiday killer clearly looks like a man and pretty sure gilda was the only holiday killer although I could be wrong
It added a lot of depth to her character too. Her motivations were much clearer than in the comic iirc especially because of how personal the actions were since Falcone was directly tied to her past.
@@appl3s0ft
Y’all are applying a pretty loose definition to “depth” here.
Muddying the waters so she was just using Harvey for the sake of her own revenge, instead of making it a two-way street of Harvey and Gilda both trying to kill off the crime families to make a safer city for each other, doesn’t make her a deeper character. At all.
All it does is mess up the thematic throughline of the story.
@@leafyishereisdumbnameakath4259 I think they did that intentionally so viewers unfamiliar with the source material would be surprised that it’s her.
@@leafyishereisdumbnameakath4259 >the holiday killer clearly looks like a man
And an asian one, looking at his eyes.
Moral of the story : remove a pebble the whole thing comes down .
And also accept your in laws because none of this would have happened if Falcony had just accepted his daughter in law.
The awkward thing is that they all were so focused on each other from Batman to Jim Gordon Harvey Dent and even Falcony and his messed up family that they never saw what was right in front of them Harvey Wife.
Just watched the movie, and, while I take serious umbrage with how incompetent Batman is shown to be, this scene in particular is great. The realization that the baby bottle silencers are not only silencers, but her trademark - since Falcone killed her unborn baby and made her infertile - is damn chilling.
In Batman's defense. This was like the first detective case he has done. He is still green
@@Ka-Ping he was fresh
BRUH. I DIDN'T EVEN THINK ABOUT THAT, DAMN. Nice touch indeed.
@@Ka-Ping I mean, an entire year passes in this movie, and he still allows himself to get blindsided by Two-Face and shit like that. Not to mention, Year One happened before this and he was more competent there.
@@RockLegend2A
Getting knocked out by Harvey isn't surprising. Most people forget that Harvey has a background in the Air Force and is actually quite capable in a fight.
I like this version of the Long Halloween more than the comic. even the ending showing Batman figured out who the killer was and confronted her in the end. though, I feel bad for Alberto. didnt even want anything to do with his family and was forced away from her. and she kills him too despite he too was a victim of his father
Apparently, Alberto and future murders were done by Harvey instead of her.
@@lazylonewolf I don't think so. Because Harvey was with Gordon around the time of Alberto's murder when Gilda left them I believe. Also, she says what she did to his son in this clip.
God bless you.
Wouldn’t feel too bad for Alberto after what he let them do to Gilda
@@goku8621 he didnt exactly have a choice or even a say in it now, did he. Carmine is the head of the family and the most powerful mob boss in the city. what he says, goes. and he will make you suffer if you say otherwise. hell, you even see Carmine slap Alberto around and Alberto couldnt do anything. the only thing he planned to do was eventually leave as he wanted nothing to do with his father or even his family. and it can be told Carmine knew his son hated him, eventually saying he wished he couldve been a better father
@@FeedingFrenzy91 Harvey wasn't really "with Gordon", if you look at the Christmas scene again, both Gilda (first) and Harvey (seconds later) leave at the same time. To further add to Harvey killing Alberto, he has an argument with Gilda before it and she asks him "why can't you be more like him?", implying Alberto, which gets Dent mad.
And finally, a close up of Holiday's face in a mask is shown after Alberto's death and it's clearly a man.
My guess would be that Gilda started the killings (since they only included Falcone's men), then Harvey mimicked Holiday when he decided to kill Alberto. Then they both continued to kill, since from that point on not only Falcone's men were killed, but Maroni's as well, and Gilda had no reason to kill Maroni's father, which was definitely done by Dent as Holiday.
Then, obviously, Gilda's last killing as Holiday is Maroni, as a revenge for disfiguring her husband. Falcone is then taken care of by Two-Face and her revenge is complete
1:12 when Gilda said, she loved harvey but not completely it symbolizes the two face persona of Harvey. How his one half is intact because of love and the other is messed up. Such a great narrative.
Gilda realized that Harvey's hidden dark persona will eventually erupt. No matter how she would try to help him. She was powerless against it. Powerless, like when her life with Alberto was annihilated by Carmine.
The Boys fans watching the pistol get thrown into the fire:
“NO, YOU IDIOT, YOU’LL BLOW IT UP-“
I thought the same
What if she removed the ammo?
@@kalgarc Well… that would be assuming that DC writes logically. If they ever did a alternate universe where Batman decided to take her in and she turns the gun on him… then the pistol would be loaded. Which then means she’d be throwing a loaded gun into the fire. All to make an alternate reality happen.
Are there no bullets in the gun? Maybe. But sometimes DC logic when getting rid of everything includes things that have been touched. Including bullets. So I doubt anyone would be surprised if they pull a dumb in this moment.
Plus you can check to see if the ammo clip is still in the pistol in the scene.
@@kalgarc pretty sure with how well she handled that gun when killing she knows well enough to unload the damn thing.
@@roguelionproductions3030 i dont think she would turn on batman if he decided to take her in, I mean she looks calm instead of anxious
I figured Gilda was the cause of the killings with how much they were focusing on her and how she was the personification of depression, but I'm not a fan of how Holiday on screen looked completely different from her. They cheated a little there, making Holiday look more like a man like Harvey Dent. They should have completely shaded the face or make the image blurry around Holiday instead of straight up drawing completely different eyes.
I originally assumed she hired an assassin to do the killings, still technically making her the killer, but they didn't say that. Not even a mask or wireframe was used for a disguise was implied, which is kind of ehh... A great reveal and twist. Just a little confusing and sloppy. I really liked these movies, though.
even i figure out as well as there always someone broken and depressed and will go after the person who hurt or pushed theme away as it like knowing how hawkmoth is in ladybug or knowing who the season 3 flash villain was as it was hints and easy hints that you can figure it out
I thought it was Sophia so she could get all the falcone money & power her dad had she practically wore the same outfit as the killer and knew how to handle a gun well
Padding can change the appearance easily.
I like how so many of the mystery villains in these animated movies are tragic characters. Andrea. Jason. Gilda.
Which movie is Andrea?
Mask of the Phantasm.
@@londomollari1082 Before Joker became the Joker, he was a low level mobster working for Sal Valestra and killed Andrea's father. She became the Phantasm in response.
I still can’t believe he let her go.
Sometimes doing nothing is the worst punishment you can give someone.
I feel like that was my only issue
@@skoshman1 Not if she’s fine with what she did no matter how it impacted anyone around her.
@@seanrutherford728 She clearly is not fine with what happened to Harvey. She had no regrets killing the Falcones...but Harvey was an unfortunate casualty in her little revenge plan. But she truly did love him and it is clear that she feels remorse over it.
I think there are two reasons why Batman let her go: One, Harvey gave himself up and let himself take the fall for the woman that he loved because he knew that she was the Holiday Killer , so Batman didn't want to invalidate that choice.
And two...it wasn't up to Batman to decide whether she deserved to be punished or not. That decision rests with Harvey and Batman didn't want to make a choice without his input.
But I agree with skoshman1...sometimes letting people wallow in regret and guilt is a far worse fate than corporal punishment.
I can. Because the way she implies things, Falcone had her injured in a way that made sure she could never have children, with his son, or anyone else. Which in itself is a murder. He did something so irrefutably evil, that even Batman couldn't bring himself to bring her to justice; it had already been done, as long as she admitted she didn't plan on hurting anyone else.
This movie made me REALLY hate Falcone; he made himself part of a decision that wasn't his to make, he impeded on the life of a child that was away from his life, and ironically made his son a coward, his greatest fear. Notice he constantly talks about Alberto's weakness; a mirroring of his own moral failings. He could have just accepted his grandkid and be happy but no, can't have that. I think that is the real reason his wife left him; she knew what he had done and is absolutely disgusted by it.
I hope they keep Jensen on for this new continuity. Always liked him.
His voice really suits the character. Almost has shades of Kevin Conroy.
He does a really good Batman. Like Troy Baker does a good Joker in the vein of Hamill.
Yeah, after Kevin Conroy, Bruce Greenwood and Jason O'Mara I think Jensen has the best batman voice
I also liked him as Jason Todd, the Red Hood.
He will be in the Legion of Super-Heroes movie (probably a 2 min cameo) so it’s safe to assume he’ll be the default voice for this universe
The animation for this new universe is really starting to grow on me
I genuinely want to feel bad for Gilda. However, her actions led DIRECTLY to the creation of Two-Face, so I can't.
Her actions didn't lead to that, Harvey was already mentally unstable, Bruce mentions he failed some psychological tests and exams in Part 1. Soon or later his crazyness would end up getting worse.
@@ryansantos9844 Yes, but Gilda certainly didn't help things and her actions just poured gasoline on the fire of Harvey's mental illness. Give credit where it's due.
@@EmptyMan000 that’s a good point, plus she had several scenes where she kept pushing away Harvey. To be honest, I still question if movie Gilda truly loves Harvey, or only loves Harvey because he took the fall for her and let her get away with murder.
It's not that she wanted it to happen.
She has a role familiar to that of Andrea aka Phantasm. Instead of Andrea being strangled btw her Father and Bruce, Gilda was strangled with Alberto and Harvey. Phantasm kills everyone in mafia surrounding her father, Gilda kills people surrounding Alberto.
Why Gilda did not tell Bruce Wayne, commissioner Gordon, and her husband Harvey dent that she was the holiday killer?
...so she wouldn't go to prison? Obviously
The comic book version is different. There are two holiday killers
Actually, Gilda was the Holiday Killer in this one soooo...
Yeah, in the movie, it was Gilda who did it. Harvey was the same, but eh, things change.
because she;s a selfish psycho bitch
Apologies if I sound like I’m stealing from someone else’s comment:
Moral of the story: take one teensy tiny piece of shrapnel from the foundation, and it all comes crumbling down.
Gilda has to be the most tragic female character from any DC animated film ever.
Her whole broken life was a never ending cursed cycle of misery and lone despair.
I do feel for what Gilda lost at the hands of the Falcone family. But did she have to drag Harvey Dent with her into the depths of her darkness? Loved him or not, it was because of her actions as Holiday and his devotion and love for her that led Dent to become Two Face and kill Carmine.
@@sebastianemond5313 She did not "drag him with her". Harvey has always been carrying his own separate demon. And Gilda noticed it.
@@Angyali And she used it to her advantage against "the Roman." Her actions as Holiday caused the mob to scar Harvey for life, thus creating Two Face to do her dirty work and kill Carmine. Despite his own inner demon, Harvey was loyal to Gilda. She also says she loved him, but doesn't love all of him, meaning his Two Face persona and his actions. How can Gilda say she loved Harvey when she caused this to him?? And don't say, "we always hurt the ones we love." And then Gilda has the gall to claim Harvey gave her up to Batman.
@@sebastianemond5313 Not "did this to him". Caused "this to him."
@@Angyali Tomato, *tom-ato.* You know what I mean.
This scene breaks my heart. And part of it is because my girlfriend is named Gilda and looks so much like her. I'm of two minds on this...
are you considering becoming a district attorney?
@@edudmodnar9137 no... but i'm currently stdying psychology. More dpecifically, i am intrested in the pathology and social fields
If you're of two minds on this, how about flipping a coin?
@@tuathadeohne you're right... i could use a little anarchy in my decisions...
Better flip a coin
i am not sure how i feel about her just getting away with it but i get it after every thing it is just feels sigh
I know that bats has looked the other way before (riddler & penguin- petty crimes and stuff) but she did cold hearted murder for a whole year on holidays, a lot of holidays, I feel like he would still turn her in.
@@x0gucx
He does the same thing in the sequel to the original comic
@@tonyc8258
But in the comic the killer was less obviously her, there were three suspects and the only thing linking her was the fact that she admitted it and that she was burning evidence because at most she could've only logically done like 3 of them. Most of the clues suggested Harvey or August if not both, but in this they have a whole montage telling you, yah it's her.
“ not done, finished “ has to be one of the most heartbreaking and hardest lines in film history
Sad thing is that Falcone's sons never really wanted to be a criminal
Wait, did Bats just allow a serial killer to remain free? o_O
He did, but he also made sure she wouldn't do any more killing. Hence the line "I need to know Holiday is done."
From a justice standpoint, dumbest decision Batman ever could have made, as most Serial Killers don't stop unless they're killed or captured. But I get the sense Gilda wasn't a serial killer in the sense that she can't stop or doesn't want to stop. If anything she's more of a revenge murderer.
@@MrCjlauer49338 So an avenger like Sasuke?
Well, it's not that Gilda killed innocent people. They were all scumbags (except for Alberto).
Look, I can’t begin to imagine the pain and horrific tragedy she went through after what the Falcones did to her. They deserved what they got, but she ended up using Harvey, put a target on his back, and allowed him to be framed as Holiday which resulted in Maroni attacking him because she killed Maroni’s father. Which doesn’t even make sense cause her beef is with the Falcones, but anyway her actions not only indirectly led to Harvey’s face being half melted but also his psyche literally being split in two. She talks about how Harvey left her to deal with her own demons but she pretty much caused his own demon to completely take over leaving Two-Face in his place. Now, she gets to walk away while Harvey has to live as a schizophrenic Batman villain for the rest of his life. I just feel like in that regard she got off too easy even if she feels bad for what happened to him.
This movie was Godfather Seven and a super hero movie wth
What in the world...
Batman never learned who the first (real) Holiday ever was. Just that Falcones' son took the mantle.
Batman's 2 biggest regrets in his life, what he considers to be 2 of the biggest mistakes of his life:
1. Not being able to save Jason.
2. Not being able to save Harvey Dent.
@@regulus7181 Imagine, DC actually made fans decide to kill off Jason, and when he came back as Jason Todd, people were shocked that the Bat family's former Robin was a stone-cold killer.
I guess the live of Alberto's doesn't matter, despite being completely innocent. Two faces killed a single person who was a gangster and murderer, Gilda killed a completely innocent person and she does not receive punishment, because she feels very sad?.
Alberto may not have been guilty, but he wasn't innocent either.
He didn't deserve death for sure, but he did fail as a person.
It's chilling how common it is in real life to be in that cruel spot.
Yes, he fail as a person, so what? That does not justify that he can be assassinated with impunity, His only fault was being weak. Under that premise, half the city would have to be executed.
Especially when you realize he was likely abused for most his life, he can’t simply say no to his abuser, so that just makes me unsympathetic to Gilda frankly.
I like to think he didn't do this for her but for the part of Harvey that is still in there
"You're the smartest guy I've ever met and you're too stupid to see, she was the holiday killer"
I do not like how the movie's ending implies that Gilda never truly loved Harvey until after they were married
But it showed that she does though
@@dakingbey she didn't until after they got married
@@declanmorden Not as uncommon as you'd think tho
@@declanmorden that’s not what your original comment said but okay.
@@yuukikonno6804 It was what I meant to say but I hasn;t realized that I did't finish the sentence.
When I watched it I felt like there was a black hole in the bottom of my stomach
Ooh, crazy thought. What if the baby wasn't actually killed, and was Kitrina? And then it becomes a legal battle between Gilda and Selina.
If those two would've ever found out their connection, Gilda would've been just resignant at this point. And Selina probably would've thought, that if Carmine knew she wa born from one of Carmine's lovers, he would've had her aborted too, and never being born at all. Unaproved childrenbirths were a sin in Carmine's evil mind.
Man, imagine if batman kill her here or maybe cripple her and forced her to become oracle lmaooooo
I think this story would be a great story for live action but more in the Robert Pattinson The Batman universe since it requires just Batman
The Batman and The Dark Knight already took a lot of inspiration from this. You got a serial killer targeting the mob and those connected with it. Killer builds up momentum leading to the death of Carmine Falcone and the rise of the freaks. Etec. I am all for them doing another mystery movie but it will have to be an original plot.
Honestly I’m not crazy about they gave her some backstory to the Falcone family. Really I like it better that she did it because she wanted Harvey to have more time to spend with her. It gives an idea that you never know what people are capable of in Gotham and who they can turn into from its corruption.
Idk, the original seems a bit outdated. Seems pretty reductive to have a woman become a murderer just because she wants to spend time with her husband.
I think giving her far more agency in her choices was the correct decision.
Nah this one was way better written. Her motives gave her a complex background which added more to the story
Also really highlights the effects of corruption in Gotham. Everything just clicks in place
Batman should have arrested her.
It is only the one who did the wrong to decide, not Batman.
Same with cat women in Batman hush, she just walks free after murdering riddler
@@bryantjauregui965 Batman swore to protect Gotham and deliver justice!!! How the fuck is letting Gilda go just!!! She never turns herself in so no Bats should have arrested her because it is the right thing to do!! Do you even know what that means!?
@@zemox2534 The guilty gets away with it
But she will end her own life.
@@zemox2534 Calm down, kiddo!
If gilda was married to falconi's son then why did she killed him
@@jeffreytan2186 thank you 🥰
Because he left her when she needed him most. He was spinless.
Because he fell in line. He was supposed to be in love with Gilda, and yet he couldn't get away from his father's influence. Wouldn't object to her getting forced into an abortion that wound up costing her the ability to have kids in general. He abandoned her.
@@Artisan1979 But he had to make difficult choices. He didn't leave Gilda in cold blood. Leaving her is something he chose reluctantly. Alberto wanted to be away from his family just to be with her, but deep down he knows that there's only one way out of the life of mafia.
@@hassanuzzamanchowdhury9531 Then she had her guilty party fingered correctly. The Roman.
Everything makes sense in the end except for one thing. Why does Gilda kill off Alberto? They were lovers and he didn’t exactly break up with her of his own freewill. A better story would be for Gilda to kill off the whole Falcone family except Alberto. Then, the two of them can run off and live a secret life together, far away from Gotham and its sordid mob boss history.
She killed him because he didn't stand up against his father and protected her from having their child aborted. The ironic bit of forshadowing prior to his death, Alberto explains wanting to run away from his family legacy to live a normal life and having a family, something he would've had with Gilda had he stood with her.
@@deadpoolrockz6410 in Alberto's defense, there was nothing he could do about it. Carmine was too powerful.
I thought it was Harvey who had to cover for Gilda.
@@detectiveluck2899 I don’t think it’s entirely possible for Harvey to cover for Gilda because there’s stuff even Harvey doesn’t know because Gilda is keeping a secret. For example, Harvey thinks it’s possible for him and Gilda to have a child together and encourages her by telling her they’ll “keep trying”. What Gilda is keeping from Harvey is that the abortion basically wrecked her body and made impossible any future pregnancy. All Gilda ever wanted was to be a mother and that potential was forever ripped away from her because of Carmine Falcone and that’s why she goes on a vengeance streak against the Falcone family. There’s a lot of symbolism in the baby bottle nipple being used as a silencer on the gun she used and this is the reason why.
I feel it would’ve been better if she got away rather than Batman letting her go.
Yeah feels pretty out of character aswell. He has arrested criminal with more tragic backstories before aswell.
@@justsomelizardwithatophat.367 Not in this universe, he hasn't. Plus most of those killers harmed innocent people.
Besides, the main reason he lets her go is as an act of friendship for Harvey as repentance for failing him.
@@justsomelizardwithatophat.367 Unlike most of the other tragic serial killers Batman had captured, Gilda didn't kill innocent people.
@@magallanesagustin4952 Alberto Falcone was innocent though
Rewatching the movie, I don't think Gilda was solely responsible for all the deaths. I think she killed the first 3, but then Harvey took over. A big tip is the murder of associates of Sal Moroni and Gilda only ever targeted the Falcone family.
You'd be wrong then, because she made it clear it was her.
Makes sense. I don't see why Gilda would kill Alberto if she's supposed to love him.
@@magallanesagustin4952 Sometimes, it is hard for a woman to love a man if she hates that man's parents. Like in this case, it was Alberto's father Carmine. The cretin made both his son and former daughter-in-law suffer: forcing them to divorce, and Gilda to have an abortion, which made her infertile (unable to have another child with any other man). And the price he had to pay: the Holiday Killer aiming for his and his family's heads.
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The organization is often referred to by its members as Cosa Nostra ("our thing" or “this thing of ours”) and by the American government as La Cosa Nostra (LCN).
The organization's name is derived from the original Mafia or Cosa nostra, the Sicilian Mafia, with "American Mafia" originally referring simply to Mafia (or Cosa nostra) groups from Sicily operating in the United States, as the organization initially emerged as an American offshoot of the Sicilian Mafia (known also as Cosa nostra by its members) formed by Italian immigrants to the United States.
However, the organization gradually evolved into a separate entity, partially independent of the original Mafia in Sicily, and it eventually encompassed or absorbed other Italian immigrant and Italian-American gangsters, and Italian-American crime groups (such as the American Camorra) active in the United States and Canada that were not of Sicilian origin.
In North America, it is often colloquially referred to as the Italian Mafia or Italian Mob, though these terms may also apply to the separate, yet related, Sicilian Mafia, or other organized crime groups in Italy, or ethnic Italian crime groups in other countries.
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Background song?
Early Avril, Unicorn Heads
The body type was different. How did they explain that?
Same way they did in Mask of The Phantasm.
padding i would imagine.
@@taddad2641 and what stilts? Also look at where she lives she definitely doesn’t have the disposable income for throw away guns. Nor the skills to outrun Batman and successful kill all those mafiosos. This twist make zero sense
@@shawnboahene5231 The one outruns batman was Harvey holiday.
He was my friend i should have same him best line
One big loophole here. Why did she kill the nephew and prevent him from testifying? I mean she just said she wanted justice and Harvey was about to get it for her. So unfortunately the premice kind of falls flat.
God bless everyone.
No clue. That part's kind of weird, as if there was another Holiday killer who wasn't her.
@@FoxsDumbSeriesMaker I think in the comic book Albert was one of the Holiday killers. (It would make more sense for him to silence the person who was about to testify against his father.
God bless you.
I have two theories as to possibly answer your question.
(1) It is likely that Falcone would have found a way to escape justice. He is the most powerful crime lord in the city (The Godfather of Gotham) and would have likely found a way to escape justice and walk away free either by threats or bribes. It's also possible that Johnny (her nephew) would have had a hit put on his head and killed before having the chance to testify. Even though Falcone cares about family, I would not put it passed him to kill someone who threatened his whole operation; he did kill his own premature grandchild simply because it would have been born out of wedlock.
(2) Gilda's thirst for vengeance was so great that she wanted Falcone dead and not just rotting in a cell. Her hatred is understandable considering what Falcone did to her and something so horrible would be extremely difficult to move past. Some people are just so govern by their hatred that they allow their bitterness to consume them and blindly govern their actions. They are not as strong as Batman who was able to overcome his personal demons and keep his darkness at bay. Similar situation happened in Batman Mask of the Phantasm.
Again these are just theories but I hope this answers your question.
@@tylerhill2202 Those theories make a lot of sense. I can work with those, considering how much Gilda hated Falcone.
i final get why gun have pacifier as gun silencer because from women lost her baby
very cool
I love Batman, but I'm not a comic book reader, so when I first watched these two movies last night, so I generally thought it was Two face when he took ever Harvy because A because it's Two face B Harvy has he motivations to kill Falcone and the killer looks just like Harvy, so I was surprised it was revealed that Gilda was the killer because I completely forgot that she was in the movie because she was so boring compared to all the other characters, hell when I was watching the movies I couldn't remember her first name because she so forgettable and when she was revealed to be the killer it kinda rises some questions, like I said before, the killer looks more like Harvy under that mask, unless it's a very good costume or she is tried to cover up her husband's murders and why did she killed Alberto, I know that she hated the Falcone family for what Carmine did to her and Alberto, but didn't she love him, it just made her look like a bitch for killing him because I like Alberto and the only member of his family that actually feel sorry for, and she could have just killed the aunt or Carmine's gang members instead, so not do that instead.
So she played Harvey to get revenge?
I'm probably going to be dumb for asking this. But....what was her motive, again?
REVENGE!!!1111!!11!!!1!!1!1!1!
carmine falcone forced an abortion onto gilda after finding out about her marriage to his son Alberto. He fell in line with his father and let it happen. she wanted revenge on the whole family.
You're right, that's pretty dumb lol.
She did the right thing the Roman's had to go Gotham will be better off without them.
Yeah but... poor fucking Harvey man. She literally gaslighted the poor guy to the point of actual insanity.
@@illwill1991 like she new Maroni would throw aside in his face.
If gilda was married to falconi's son then why did she killed him
@@Notso_cool27I bet it's because she blames Alberto for her misery as much as she blames his father for what happened to her because by falling in love with her by dating her and then marring her when he is related to a criminal family he indangered her the best thing he could have done for her was walk away from her the day he meant her and that is probably what she said to him the last time they spoke after what his father foolishly did to her.
Or here is a theory maybe she did not mean to kill Alberto that night on the boat maybe she meant to kill somebody else in his messed up family however she snuck by Alberto and Batman and Selena Kyle she heard him rebell against Batman saying he wanted nothing to do with his family and she snap and killed him instead because she was stunned to see he had the power to rebell against Batman but could not rebell against his own father.
And from my point of view this is actually Bruce Wayne fault.
@@chrismaccool9097 thank you for your response 🥰✌
so.... she just goes unpunished even tho she admits to being a serial killer?
Two reasons why Batman did not turn her over to the authorities:
*Letting her free will give her a much harsher punishment than prison.
*He actually feels sympathetic for her over what Falcone did to her and Alberto.
Every scene where Holiday is seen, it shows a male figure. Gilda is petite. So how can she be the Killer?
Wait so holiday is glida or there are two holidays?
It’s her 😊
She murdered 12 people and batman just let her go
So wait why didn’t he arrest her?
He let her go get over it. Imagine having your child ripped out of you literally. You'd go John Wick on the motherf.....
I don't like that Batman of all characters let a murderer go.
He did that countless times, because he had no "solid evidence".
Cry. 😢
right? lmao, the one bad part of this movie to me
So she can’t love all of Harvey because of two face even though she was responsible for him becoming two face because everyone believed he was holiday
Gilda knows exactly,
that the psychosis known as "Two-Face"
has completely destroyed Harvey as a persona by now.
She's basically a widow, even though his husband's body is biologically alive - inhabited by a mental demon.
Harvey was already two face before the accident. They hinted to it multiple times throughout
I'd still take her in and tell Gordon, she's KILLED people for revenge and confused it with justice, she USED Harvey. I know why she did it, but I don't CARE, nor do I give two cents about her at all. She's done enough damage and belongs in a padded cell, FOREVER
I still don't like how she got away free. Hopefully Dark Victory rectifies this.
*Italian people be having some serious family trauma going on....man....*
Even after setting foot on the US.
thats so sad im criyng
Growing up watching Batman Animated Series instead of Dragonball or other childish cartoons really gave me a mature mindset at a young age
I grew up watching Batman TAS, Batman Beyond, and Dragon Ball Z and I had a very mature abnormally aware mindset when I was young what's your point?
@@TheDarkStruggler i must have offended your dragon all Z experience……my point is BATMAN TAS is a more mature cartoon it s the first of its kind ….it actually teaches you life lessons …dragonball Z is goofy compared to Batman
@@Stupidbihh I will admit Batman TAS series is alot more mature and has plenty of life lessons to teach children hell when I have children their watching Batman TAS and Batman Beyond so they can widen up but DBZ is not without its qualities. DBZ teaches children to keep fighting and to never give up especially when your hardest hit. That you have to draw upon that inner strength within you to move forward and over come. That there is evil in grand scales universal scales and they must be stopped. DBZ is goofy but it also has its life lessons to teach.
The fact that you unironically wrote a comment like this makes me doubt that lmao.
@@beyondtrash1627 What ? That’s the only cartoon i watched because i liked the darkness and seriousness instead of watching goofy cartons ….Ike what are you talking about? is it because i said a cartoon made me mature ? Idiot
This movie was way better than beware my power
First time in batman i really feel compassion for a modern bad guy (bad girl in that case) in batman: yeah Gilda is a killer but how can we blame a woman who lose the possibility to having childs ?
The holiday looks like a male in both the movies, extremely well built, agile, as he even outruns batman at times, so this makes no sense that she is holiday unless she hired someone capable of out-running batman.
Harvey wasn't the holiday either. Maybe two-face (who before becoming two-face) is the holiday?
Time to the read comic now to get some clarity.
Harvey is holiday, the one outruns batman was Harvey holiday.
This ending completely ruined the film for me - Batman just lets a serial killer go because she bad stuff happened to her...come on. The comic book is a lot better than this.
I read the comic and I gotta say this is better.
If Batman arrested her what would he gain Harvey is insane the mob is dead and buried and Gotham is fine with the latter.
Bruce is honoring the last bit of Harvey that remains which is the love for his wife even when Harvey figured it out he still took the blame for her caused he loved her.
Nothing here would fix anything and Gilda end is worse than prison while yes she is free she lives in shame of everything that happened now alone with her inner demons to keep company in this world and the next.
Batman works best away from a shared dc universe
Better than The Patman. Great part of movie. What happened to Gilda was ruthless and cruel, but she let Harvey pay a huge price besides letting her old husband die in movie from her actions.
She realized she could not have done anything to prevent Harvey's dark side eventually come to the surface.
Reveal was mid ngl.
Batman is a damn hypocrite for letting a killer off the hook
I’d say this is the better ending cause her motivation makes more sense cause if I’m remembering correctly in the book SPOILERS
she became Holiday just so Harvey would spend more time with her, I’ll have to re-read it
A real final nail in the coffin of this messy-ass adaptation. Sheesh.
Whatever I see this comment as an excuse for nothing
@@RRai2000
Wow, you sure showed me with a reply that says even less.
@@APinchofBazel Whatever
@@RRai2000
idk what you were trying to prove here, man
@@APinchofBazel They weren't proving anything? They're making a yt comment.
So they gave it the Hush treatment, huh? Yeah, they fucking ruined it. What the fuck happened to you, DC animation department?
idk i think it was a little clever
I think this is better than the whole "Gilda begun a killing spree so her husband would have less work" that twist is the one stain in what is almost a perfect Batman Story.
I actually liked it tbh.
@@EMTeves reread the comic. She was never a murder. It was Alberto all along with Harvey delivering last two kills (Carmine and his asistent) hence why he says "there were two killers" because last two kills were on holidays two. All proofs are in the comic.
WTF is this? Batman is letting her go? She's a murderer FFS!
While Batman doesn't agree with the methods of people like Gilda (murder) he agrees her victims deserved it. Justice isn't always legal. It can be argued that the very foundations of the law and the judicial system help criminals get away with murder and then some while innocent people suffer and is denied justice. While the law and judicial system is necessary to keep order it's not without its flaws, contradictions, and shortcomings. There are times when the law fails to bring about justice and people take the law into their own hands and seek retribution and they call that justice. And ironically enough the law and judicial system punish those people when they failed those people in the first place. Besides Batman understands that Gilda will never find peace she will always suffer regardless of where she is in prison or in the cold confines of her home. And Batman understands that Harvey took the fall for Gilda and he isn't gonna go against Harvey's sacrifice by bringing in Gilda. He feels guilty that he wasn't able to save his friend.
@@TheDarkStruggler nope. That’s not Batman at all. Look at Jason, joker deserves it but he didn’t let him die and he wouldn’t let Jason off the hook. That’s a cop out and you know it.
@@shawnboahene5231 Joker and Jason are two different matters entirely. Those two are extremely personal and close to the chest.
@@shawnboahene5231 You have no idea how to be a human being.
These versions of superheroes are just hard to stomach. We get it, the flaws they already had just keep getting rehashed but adding more flaws makes us scratch our heads and wonder who are these posers? The 2022 film, The Batman is another example as Batman continues to fail at solving The Riddler's clues until its too late. We get it again, it would be a boring set of movies to watch bruce train up to become Batman but seeing this armature version is just wasting money.
Not at all. Their failures are what makes them compelling and interesting. In The Batman the whole theme is how Bruce fights crime using fear, except he doesn't actually change anything. He states in the opening monologue that he knows this but he keeps fighting anyways to make himself feel better. Two whole years as the Batman and crime was at the same rate and his influence gave rise to a homicidal maniac that damn near destroyed the city. At the end Batman realizes that he can be more than fear when he saves the crowd of people at the end. He realizes he can be a symbol of hope to the people and maybe then things will change. This is why Riddler is so upset at the end, he wanted attention and tried to claim it by flooding the city. But Batman was the only thing talked about in the news because he heroically saved the mayor and many innocents. In the end, he beat the riddler in his own way by denying him the attention that he so desperately craved.
@@seenyab4494 These alternate versions are dubbed as compelling and interesting are in fact at base-level are insulting. Its like the idiot people messing around with Pepsi, you mess around with a good product that doesn't need improving and you lose what you got. Of course it will appeal to some but the original earned its place in the market while other versions which are not improvements are just cashing in.
At the end of The Batman, its clear that they are attempting to make him more like Superman. A critical error in writing as Batman is about Vengeance which is why he is typically alone with Alfred keeping his sanity and humanity. Dick Greyson was basically the same person but from a different background which is why in comics he was argueably the best Robin and made the best successor to Bruce.
@@fstbr4 Batman has been shown to be a symbol of hope numerous times throughout his existence. His most famous storyline, The Dark Knight Returns, is all about that. He emboldened the people of Gotham to rise up and take back their city. Batman can still have the fear and vengeance, but you can't seriously expect the character to never grow or change. These latest Batman iterations HAVE been improvements. They take Batman back to his more vulnerable roots where he actually has to struggle instead of miraculously saving the day each and every time.
@@seenyab4494 Batman is a symbol of courage driven by vengeance and not a symbol of hope like Superman. Batman is not a symbol of hope as he is too busy doing the job that law enforcement cannot do with criminals that laugh and/or ignore the laws that govern society. Its was Superman that inspires Batman to hope for a better tomorrow which was the prominent and accepted storyline unless newer DC writers decided to mess around with it.
The latest iterations of Batman have been getting more flawed, vulnerable, and weaker. This latest version in The Batman is the youngest and most flawed of any making it hard to believe that he was not killed within 5 minutes of the movie. As for Dark Knight Rises, besides the stupid title the misguided theme, "Batman can be anyone" which is a ripped off theme from 'Zorro' is was lame. If that nonsense theme was true then Oliver Queen or Kal-El could have become Batman. Dick Grayson should have had no competition to succeed Bruce if that theme was true.
@@fstbr4 I didn't say "The Dark Knight Rises" I said "The Dark Knight Returns" The comic written by Frank Millar depicting an old Batman that is coming out of retirement after the death of jason Todd. In that story Batman turns a gang led by The Mutant into a force for good and has them help retake Gotham from Criminals. They also did an animated movie on that if you're interested, since you clearly aren't all that familiar with Batman and WHO he really is. Please stop projecting your image of Batman onto who Batman REALLY is. Again the new Batman is flawed and weaker but that makes their successes so much more enticing. I'd rather see Batman get his ass kicked and come back in the end than watch Batman nonchalantly take out a guy that can throw trucks with some bullshit, lazy writing that makes him somehow more powerful than a kryptonian. And if you think about it, anyone really could be your Batman, he is a regular human after all. It's easy to instill fear into everyone, but it is hard to help them see the light and goodness. I'm not saying that Batman is THE symbol of hope, but in the comics and most media he is A* symbol of hope, especially for Gotham. His Bat signal not only instills fear in the criminals but also tells the regular citizens that he is out there and that he will protect them the best he can.
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When the guy with the glasses told Selina that he couldn't get with the girl she wanted and terrible things happened to her, the most depressed person comes to mind. I couldn't figure out because why would she shoot him.
Gilda used to be Alberto wife in the past. However, Carmine soon force his son to abandon her, so Alberto might take his place in the future. Alberto big mistake that he too scare of his father, too much to make Gilda abort their unborn child, letting Gilda unable to pregnant again, instead of letting her gives birth in somewhere else secretly, far away from his family.
This is something that too messed up, because it not just make Gilda more depressing, but also destroyed her entirely. She blame The Falcone family, and Alberto to what they did to her.