The weight difference is the Holley is made of a zinc alloy called Zamak (trade name, many variants), the clone is an aluminum alloy. Many carbs are. Hence why many suffer from zinc pest to varying degree, depending on the specific alloy. Its used due to its very high suitability for die casting. We have better aluminum alloys now that have displaced Zamak some, but its still widely used. Yes, Zamak contains aluminum as one of the alloying elements, and is very often confused with aluminum, and sometimes referred to as aluminum by manufacturers to avoid calling it "pot metal" (aka Zamak), but its primary element is Zinc, hence the weight difference. Also, the number difference on jet sizes are metric vs imperial.
I got some Chinese made motorcraft 2150 copy off Amazon for $100 or so because my original carbs throttle was hanging open slightly no matter how much I cleaned it and it would cause it to idle too high. Looked over it made sure all the screws were tight and adjusted everything to where it needed to be. A few months later still runs perfect, no issues starts right up with one pump every time. This was more so a temporary fix while I save up to get a nice 4 barrel intake and carb. But for now it’s doing me really well.
@cyber3167 very good chance your original throttle shaft could be worn causing a vacuum leak causing the high idle. I’m pretty sure the autolite/motor craft carbs have a rep for that
Ordered me a Remaned carburetor off of rock auto for my Jeep cj6 with a 2100 Motorcraft. Cost me near $300 but we couldn't ever get it to run worth a crap on a Low mile 304 engine. 45k Shoddy rebuild from Autoline products in Canada. Wore out shafts and a warped flange. No help from Autoline or Rock auto. Bought a 70$ 2150 knockoff from Amazon. Cleaned it and adjusted the screws and drove for 2 hrs that night. Ive been thinking of going to a 2300 500cfm or even a smaller 4bbl since I street drive it for the most part. I'll probably try of these before I dump $300 again on something that isn't worth a Sht.
Actually quite a few nice upgraded compared to a standard 1850. The extra jets are to get you tuned for the fuel you intend to use. They don't don't know if you'll be running straight gas, 10% ethanol, 15% ethanol...good job providing some tunability. Good upgrade over the holley cork gaskets on the mixture screws. Nice removable air bleeds. Brass float is cool. Bushings on the throttle shafts-nice. Lightweight alloy-a plus. From what I see it looks nice. Probably very easy to tune
It’s fluff. The true understanding of how this thing is going to perform is in that god awful metering block. It’s unbalanced at best. It’s not going to be easy to tune, if we can get it to be consistent at all. The proof is in the data. The first half gathered in this video, sucks. We’ll see what it produces once we put it on a mild small block. Stayed tuned!
I'm definitely with you. Not buying Chinese knockoff anything. American made equals better quality faster setup and long-term reliability and no screws going down the intake manifold.
I like ur assessment of this carburetor. I know there's a lot of things that most people would not know if it was good or not. Saving money on this carburetor will just get you in trouble in the long run that's for sure.
@@VinoRatRodbuilds i completely understand saving a few dollars here and there, but yeah you nailed it. In the long run it’s gonna be more trouble (and money) than it’s worth.
If I built a fair amount of engines ,I'd get one and use it ,along with some other cheap parts like some tinfoil headers. Run it on a test stand first before giving it to a customer or dropping it in your ride and finding that rear main oil leak after the fact just sucks.
The stuff they spray in there and on the out side is like a creasaul because they are shipping over on a boat the salt air dosent effect the aluminum,,same as on cars they ship ,you see it on the brakes and rotors any thing they think can get exposed to the salt air
5 or 6 years ago I purchased a turbocharger from Chinese company for $160. The Borg Warner direct replacement was 1,000. Guess which one win in the car? When Borg Warner buys them they buy them from China, of course there's more testing and oversight but most likely that's the reality. I must have gotten a good one because these years later it's still working. I do however agree with you I would not put the carburetor on my car.
DHL ain’t much better. Plus they aren’t very friendly going through customs, no matter what the carrier. And don’t put statements on the package like “fragile” or “do not bend”. They take that as a challenge! 😳
Great info I'll stick to Edelbrock and Holley, look forward to seeing the test drive, hopefully it doesn't leak fuel and your GMC catches fire maybe throw it in the iron pile to be safe as always keep the videos coming, good guys in Puyallup is next weekend I'll be there
@@johnweaver8470 man I wish I could join you! Such a great event and an exceptional venue for it. Maybe one of these days I’ll get back up there. Have fun!
people with the knock-offs are saying they don't care about the future their kids will one day get to experience. you can't get much cheaper than that.
I'd like to see it installed on a running engine...it's one thing that bothers me about you tube. People rebuild a carb but never show it working on an engine... If Putting it on an engine drives the death nail in one of these knock off carbs so be it.... Same for some one doing a video on a rebuild... I don't fear failure...as it is the ultimate teacher.... As always you do a great job pointing out the details.
@@moparnut6286 time and understanding. The two things I fight. If someone buys a knock off expectiing to get a copy of whatever, I’d be under the assumption that they’d expect to have an understanding of what they’re receiving. Capable of running or not, with this carb, you’re not getting what’s expected. I’m sure at some point when I have the (time) we’ll show these on an engine and show the data. The (understanding) sets the expectation of performance. One has to come first! Maybe one time I’ll start with the result and go back and get the reasons why in a second video. Stating with the understanding at least points me in the direction of what’s going to happen when we do run it and I won’t run into an over or under fueling situation and hurt a good engine. I know with this one, I’m going to have to watch part throttle AFR closely and for sure transition AFR with that smaller PVCR. Don’t think this one is bad enough to kill some timing, but I’m guessing it might. Wouldn’t have known that without the knowledge first! All I’m lacking now is time……. 🤘
The difference in jet sizes and other restriction sizes is neither here nor there. A 600cfm carb can have any number of combinations of restrictions depending on the exact engine and chassis package. Even two identical cars but one has header pipes and a different intake manifold could require complete different jets, pvcr, accel pump, power valve and air bleeds, but both have 600cfm 1850s. You have to tune them for what you have. Nice of them to give you some extra jets or air bleeds.
@@landoncustomclassics check back in a week and see all the people completely ok with buying a knock off. It’s rather remarkable actually. This one is not great, but of all the knock offs I’ve reviewed, it’s probably been the best.
@MuscleCarSolutions I buy the like $15 lawn mower carbs. They've done ok. My brother bought a knockoff for my dad's Honda 4 wheeler. It wouldn't fire, but ended up being the tps sensor so we put the old one on and it's worked fine.
You are measuring wrong. there is no way you have .081 emulsion. Are you measuring the lead in hole? Th emulsion bleed is at the bottom of the lead in holes. should be .026-.029
As an European driving an american truck I stick to OEM parts as much as I can. In Germany it is very hard to keep US cars running, because those are very exotic cars over here. For example you have to take them to one of the very rare specialized workshops for repairs because normal shops do not touch US cars. It costs way more money too, 180 dollars per working hour at the shop is very normal, and you have very limited access to used parts. Every two years big discussions with the dudes from the technical inspection agencies who never saw an US car if the car is roadworthy or not. My Truck is halfway illegal due to the fact that spare parts for the truck do not have an european proofmark on it. If the cops stop you and decide that your Walker standard replacement exhaust has no proof mark and therefore it is illegal, your journey comes to a sqeeking halt. It gets towed away for a new technical inspection and a juicy bill for the whole shabang. And you can lose your drivers license for that too. For a tire shop it is somewhat illegal to bolt on bolt centered wheels because the standard is hub centered wheels. The list goes on and on. Pulling the chinese wildcard is no option at all...
Case in point, especially when I'm dealing with like the situation. I'm dealing with people coming up to me and wanting me to work on their motorcycles and finding out there. A Chinese knock off of the Honda, 250 or a scooter or a Yamaha, 250 or Kawasaki, 250. None of the parts will interchange.They're very close but not at all. They even even go so far as look similar too
I've never been happy with the low end, off the line performance of Holley carbs. Yes they do perform well in the upper rpm range and on race applications but I would always prefer a Quardrajet carb for an everyday street vehicle. The smaller primary style just feels better off the line and when the large secondary open when you mash it you know something happened. I also don't care for the Chinese knockoff carbs. There is always something strange in their thinking about how to meeter fuel. Great video. I enjoyed it very much. Definition of a carburetor = An attempt at controlling a fuel leak!! 😂😂
My experience with knock off carburetors is there’s no money saved. The headache of tuning those carburetors is not worth it. I’ve only dealt with motorcycle carburetors but they’ve been difficult to tune and finicky. That is not what you want.
It looks to me like the carburetor wasn't so much modeled after an original Holley carburetor as it was copied from an aftermarket upgraded version of a Holley design. Can't wait to see how it works on an engine, how it actually performs.
@@ToddMcF2002 oh we’ll put them on my mild small block and I think based on how unbalanced that metering block is, it will be very inconsistent. I’m sure even with the datalog there will still be plenty of people willing to support it. Maybe this fall we’ll do one video with all the knock offs back to back to back.
BTW I am driving this "very rare" 98 Ford E 150 Club Wagon. There are less than 100 around in this country. People call it a "Chevy Van" or "the A-Team Car" because they don´t know better. Normal people never get the chance to see the difference, it just does not happen that US trucks are parked next to each other on the street. You may see one of the very rare F 150s or Ram 1500 from time to time over here...
The hardware they signed with you is probably a standard kit. They sent with all those type carburetors whether it has a choke. Cable or not, the hardware kit is pre-made for that. Technically, the choke electric choke version and they just send it in every kit. Even manual joke
Good review mate. I buy whatever gives me best value for money. As you have shown, the Holley is probably the better product, simply because you can get the parts for it, even if this carby worked we'll on an engine. I would be very interested to see how it actually runs and performs on a standard engine, as that is obviously the market it it aimed at
I’ve done a number of these knock off reviews. Sometime I’ll rotate them out and do a quick review of on engine performance out of the box and with what limited tuning that can be done. That’s what will end up killing them. There’s just no further support if someone actually wants to get them to run at their optimum performance and economy.
Thanks for the Video....I agree with you...USA...I try to buy American Made where ever possible. However that being said, sometimes you just can't. I have a Lawn Mower that Briggs and Stratton no longer support. I had no other choice but to buy a cheep knock off from Amazon. Surprisingly, it works better than the original ever did even when the mower was new. Mower fired on first pull and everything fit just like the original. And like your example, they included extra parts, gaskets, screws, even an air filter. and spark plug. Faced with buying a new mower or fixing the old one, the choice was easy. Less than $25 vs several hundred.
You got it. Knock off is just steeling someone else's research and design. Good luck with rebuild parts. I stick to a known Holly. Thanks for the review.😊
Can you drop a Holley metering plate in and put in a Holley rebuild kit since Holley is running carbs @ close to 900 bucks for a carb that needs a lot of work to use it brand spanking new. Run it on an engine at least after you go through it like new Holley requires. Sure we are all sick of Chinockoffs, but in the current market where inflation and American companies are charging far way to F'ing much for products trying to maximize their profits to the max and at the same time crappy support and no available product making you wait months. I have waited 5 months for my CompCams camshaft which I switched from Lunati since they could not give me a delivery date which was waiting months for, so I switched to Comp to only get screwed again. The rocker arms are still back ordered until Sep 28 when I ordered them as "in stock" on April 12th. Stop knocking people who need to get their old car running as economically as possible when you do not highlight the companies ripping off Americans, providing shizz support if any at all, and taking half a year to get the product.
In all my experiences I've ever seen.When it comes to knock offs of any kind they cannot do a hundred percent 1 for 1all the cross the board due to patent infringement and possible lawsuits
It’s actually drilled with metric drills 1.65 mm 1.70mm 1.80mm 2.00mm so the number is exact size in metric drills well as good as china drill bit tolerance can be lol
I wouldn't run that on my worst enemy's car. You're just about guaranteed to end up with a butterfly screw in a cylinder somewhere. Which makes that a VERY expensive carburetor. And I'll bet the metallurgy is all over the place. Would be interesting to see how long it held up to ethanol....
@@neilkratzer3182 had to know what we were working with before the install. That way we know why an area in the rpm range works or doesn’t. Part two coming up where we put all these to a simple initial adjustment and a road test with AFR data. Stay tuned!
Thanks for posting this video and breaking it down. I bought my basic Holley 3310 in classic finish back in 1996 for $189. Now, as of the writing of this comment, the same carb is $574 from the Holley site (subject to change at any moment) and the 1850's aren't too far behind that. As a consumer, it can be tempting to fall for this crap because the price is so low but there's something so fishy about it and you did a great job with your video of exposing the utter garbage one can end up with if one falls for the "too good to be true" marketing. I am curious, were you confirm if the threads on the jets, power valve, bowl screws, idle screws etc. are SAE or metric? It would suck if this was discovered part way through a jet change or a rebuild.
Price of everything is up these days. Still plenty of cores available if it’s a carburetor you’re after. The amount of these knockoffs flooding the market should be criminal.
I work for a auto body shop and they buy the cheap Chinese knock off parts and I assemble cars and I'm always dealing with poor quality parts and fitment there is a reason they get the knick name cheap knock off lol
@@andrewforster4974 I was a manufacturers rep for quite a few years and had a client that brought in collision repair panels and parts. All China and ridiculously cheap. The mark up in that industry is insane.
I wouldn't buy one, but the holley on my car was 720.00. This one was what you said, 90? This is why people go China. Can't beat the price. I AM guilty of buying a Chinesium carburetor for my mini bike😊
I appreciate your videos! If you do a deep dive into Temu you’ll find most the products are made and shipped from areas of China that are rife with slavery. Barely sociable here on YT did a good video on it.
The jet sizes are going to be metric. So will the air bleeds and every other dimension. All the passages and slots are going to be sized promotional to each other. You can't really compare component dimensions apples to apples. This looks like a well thought out carburetor and the fact they provide multiple jets is great. Also their castings look very good and a bunch of features are better. The transfer tube, sight glass, and mixture screw seals come to mind. Feels a lot like you're looking for things to nit pick. It's laughable being upset about a knock off of a carburetor design that old and it's not like holley is a mom and pop speed shop struggling to get by.
I got one and it sucked the accelerator pump didn’t work and after I fixed that it ideled ok ran ok light throttle but give it a some heavy throttle and gust shut down. I swaped out the Bowles on to a good old Holley body I had and it runs great with that carb body and the bowls off that pic of junk.
@@stevehilligoss4982 depends on where you look. But without a doubt the last 20+ years have not been kind to US manufacturing. Given the cost of everything going through the roof and labor at an all time high. Insurance, consumables, raw materials. I’m thankful I’m at the end of my career and won’t have to deal with this much longer. I’m all for higher wages, but it does put a bigger strain on a system that was tipping towards the edge anyway.
I would LOVE to save money on an Ikea-like carb "kit". Hell, if I can buy a Holley HP for 1/2 price.. I'm IN!! But.. THIS? NO. Mostly because you can't get off the shelf replacement parts. This is great if you're just trying to get an old car running, but it's not for every day driving.
@@MuscleCarSolutions thank you for these awesome videos and don’t pay any attention to those folks that are to cheap to listen to you they will regret it because the screw fell out of their cheap Chinese carburetor and blew up their motor !!
@@jimstern4244 not my engine! But I hate to see folks make bad decisions thinking it’s going to save them money or time. All I can do is provide the info. Thank you! Very much appreciated. 🇺🇸
@@MVPisME383 prices rarely come down but man are things ridiculously high these days. Hopefully once inflation is better under control we’ll see some prices drop.
I think, these numbers are jets flow on test bench, maybe cc/min with 1 metre of water column. Sorry for my language, I'm not native speaker. P.S. And my choice for my old cars are Edelbrock AVS2.
I’d love for that to be the case, but I’m guessing any high tech testing equipment isn’t on the menu for these knock off companies. Make them cheap and get them out the door is all they care about.
@@BPattB eBay is just as bad and they refuse to protect American brands. Their VERO program to remove knock offs is a joke. I rarely use eBay anymore and I used to drive all my sales through that site.
Temu can sell so cheap because they compromise your personal info including selling CC numbers . This has been documented., and can be checked out with a couple key strokes.
I think. The american performance industry needs to step up its game stop price Gouging and bring quality back.It's pretty sad when a Chinese Carburetor for 217 Bucks Comes with better Machining and tunability. Then a holly or edelbrock That cost 500$
@stevehilligoss4982 the cork is there to seal it. It had a black rubber one on this carb. The additional o-rings aren’t necessary. Unless there’s something more awful to this carb that we haven’t experienced yet.
Another thing I hate about these things. They swing all over the place on prices. Pretty sure I bought the first one and had a discount as a new customer.
Don't be ashamed to have bought that carb. How do you think we as consumers that try to buy quality American made products spend the money for American brands and we get our what ever it is and you read on the box made in China, Taiwan, Mexico etc..
@@timweb1510 I can’t knock a company for making the decision to move off shore, no matter how much I don’t like it. But when their product is essentially stolen and used against them, that’s when it becomes malicious.
I have several products I have made in China and have never heard of this. Can you email me a link to what you’re referring to? My website is in the channel description and you can send directly through the Contact Us section.
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I think the jet sizes are metric .165cm divided by 2.54 to convert to inches equals .06496 inches
Yes, that is exactly correct. I cheated and google searched a conversion calculator.
yeah that's what i figured - just noticed the english when up in twos the metric when up in 5, 4 was 10 like that.
Holley jets are rated by the flow not the bore size. It’s very important not to cause screw driver marks on any jet as it upsets the flow FYI.
The weight difference is the Holley is made of a zinc alloy called Zamak (trade name, many variants), the clone is an aluminum alloy. Many carbs are. Hence why many suffer from zinc pest to varying degree, depending on the specific alloy. Its used due to its very high suitability for die casting. We have better aluminum alloys now that have displaced Zamak some, but its still widely used. Yes, Zamak contains aluminum as one of the alloying elements, and is very often confused with aluminum, and sometimes referred to as aluminum by manufacturers to avoid calling it "pot metal" (aka Zamak), but its primary element is Zinc, hence the weight difference. Also, the number difference on jet sizes are metric vs imperial.
Thanks for the review! Don't feel too bad about buying this thing. It was worth it for the educational value for your viewers
I hope so! Thanks much.
I got some Chinese made motorcraft 2150 copy off Amazon for $100 or so because my original carbs throttle was hanging open slightly no matter how much I cleaned it and it would cause it to idle too high. Looked over it made sure all the screws were tight and adjusted everything to where it needed to be. A few months later still runs perfect, no issues starts right up with one pump every time. This was more so a temporary fix while I save up to get a nice 4 barrel intake and carb. But for now it’s doing me really well.
@cyber3167 very good chance your original throttle shaft could be worn causing a vacuum leak causing the high idle. I’m pretty sure the autolite/motor craft carbs have a rep for that
Ordered me a Remaned carburetor off of rock auto for my Jeep cj6 with a 2100 Motorcraft. Cost me near $300 but we couldn't ever get it to run worth a crap on a Low mile 304 engine. 45k Shoddy rebuild from Autoline products in Canada. Wore out shafts and a warped flange. No help from Autoline or Rock auto. Bought a 70$ 2150 knockoff from Amazon. Cleaned it and adjusted the screws and drove for 2 hrs that night. Ive been thinking of going to a 2300 500cfm or even a smaller 4bbl since I street drive it for the most part. I'll probably try of these before I dump $300 again on something that isn't worth a Sht.
Yes this. The idea that made in America means anything as all the big companies continue to consolidate and cut cost is just silly at this point.
That's a raw deal of Rock auto not standing behind there product 😢
There using metric sizing on the just. 200 is 0.2mm (0.0078 in)
@@PCgonerogue820 that would make sense but there’s an extra zero in there. I appreciate that comment though. I completely overlooked that…. Thank you!
200 is actually 2.00 mm. A 165 is 1.65. Convert 1.65÷25.4= .0649. Mikuni and others are all numbered in metric
@@dsrengines , good catch I put the decimal point in the wrong spot.
@@dsrengines I work on webers a lot and theyre in mm too
Actually quite a few nice upgraded compared to a standard 1850. The extra jets are to get you tuned for the fuel you intend to use. They don't don't know if you'll be running straight gas, 10% ethanol, 15% ethanol...good job providing some tunability. Good upgrade over the holley cork gaskets on the mixture screws. Nice removable air bleeds. Brass float is cool. Bushings on the throttle shafts-nice. Lightweight alloy-a plus. From what I see it looks nice. Probably very easy to tune
It’s fluff. The true understanding of how this thing is going to perform is in that god awful metering block. It’s unbalanced at best. It’s not going to be easy to tune, if we can get it to be consistent at all. The proof is in the data. The first half gathered in this video, sucks. We’ll see what it produces once we put it on a mild small block. Stayed tuned!
I'm definitely with you. Not buying Chinese knockoff anything. American made equals better quality faster setup and long-term reliability and no screws going down the intake manifold.
I like ur assessment of this carburetor. I know there's a lot of things that most people would not know if it was good or not. Saving money on this carburetor will just get you in trouble in the long run that's for sure.
@@VinoRatRodbuilds i completely understand saving a few dollars here and there, but yeah you nailed it. In the long run it’s gonna be more trouble (and money) than it’s worth.
@@MuscleCarSolutions Yeah I've done some price checking lately. Things are pretty expensive but what are you going to do.
If I built a fair amount of engines ,I'd get one and use it ,along with some other cheap parts like some tinfoil headers.
Run it on a test stand first before giving it to a customer or dropping it in your ride and finding that rear main oil leak after the fact just sucks.
The stuff they spray in there and on the out side is like a creasaul because they are shipping over on a boat the salt air dosent effect the aluminum,,same as on cars they ship ,you see it on the brakes and rotors any thing they think can get exposed to the salt air
5 or 6 years ago I purchased a turbocharger from Chinese company for $160. The Borg Warner direct replacement was 1,000. Guess which one win in the car? When Borg Warner buys them they buy them from China, of course there's more testing and oversight but most likely that's the reality. I must have gotten a good one because these years later it's still working. I do however agree with you I would not put the carburetor on my car.
Small parts probably made it fine from China. Fedex are the ones that deliver boxes that look like they've played soccer with them.
DHL ain’t much better. Plus they aren’t very friendly going through customs, no matter what the carrier. And don’t put statements on the package like “fragile” or “do not bend”. They take that as a challenge! 😳
The jet sizes as marked are in metric without a decimal. The 205 is actually 2.05mm, standard practice for this kind of thing.
Great info I'll stick to Edelbrock and Holley, look forward to seeing the test drive, hopefully it doesn't leak fuel and your GMC catches fire maybe throw it in the iron pile to be safe as always keep the videos coming, good guys in Puyallup is next weekend I'll be there
@@johnweaver8470 man I wish I could join you! Such a great event and an exceptional venue for it. Maybe one of these days I’ll get back up there. Have fun!
First time in MANY years I'm not going 😢😢. Several years in a row I worked the gates with the Gig Harbor Cruisers..
people with the knock-offs are saying they don't care about the future their kids will one day get to experience.
you can't get much cheaper than that.
I'd like to see it installed on a running engine...it's one thing that bothers me about you tube. People rebuild a carb but never show it working on an engine... If Putting it on an engine drives the death nail in one of these knock off carbs so be it.... Same for some one doing a video on a rebuild... I don't fear failure...as it is the ultimate teacher.... As always you do a great job pointing out the details.
@@moparnut6286 time and understanding. The two things I fight. If someone buys a knock off expectiing to get a copy of whatever, I’d be under the assumption that they’d expect to have an understanding of what they’re receiving. Capable of running or not, with this carb, you’re not getting what’s expected. I’m sure at some point when I have the (time) we’ll show these on an engine and show the data. The (understanding) sets the expectation of performance. One has to come first! Maybe one time I’ll start with the result and go back and get the reasons why in a second video. Stating with the understanding at least points me in the direction of what’s going to happen when we do run it and I won’t run into an over or under fueling situation and hurt a good engine. I know with this one, I’m going to have to watch part throttle AFR closely and for sure transition AFR with that smaller PVCR. Don’t think this one is bad enough to kill some timing, but I’m guessing it might. Wouldn’t have known that without the knowledge first! All I’m lacking now is time……. 🤘
The difference in jet sizes and other restriction sizes is neither here nor there. A 600cfm carb can have any number of combinations of restrictions depending on the exact engine and chassis package.
Even two identical cars but one has header pipes and a different intake manifold could require complete different jets, pvcr, accel pump, power valve and air bleeds, but both have 600cfm 1850s.
You have to tune them for what you have. Nice of them to give you some extra jets or air bleeds.
I don't do knock-off ever.. Not worth my time..
Ty for the review!!! 🤠🤠🤠
If you can afford it and give people a heads up and save them from buying a horrible product or possibly a decent product and save money it's cool!
@@landoncustomclassics check back in a week and see all the people completely ok with buying a knock off. It’s rather remarkable actually. This one is not great, but of all the knock offs I’ve reviewed, it’s probably been the best.
@MuscleCarSolutions I buy the like $15 lawn mower carbs. They've done ok. My brother bought a knockoff for my dad's Honda 4 wheeler. It wouldn't fire, but ended up being the tps sensor so we put the old one on and it's worked fine.
You are measuring wrong. there is no way you have .081 emulsion. Are you measuring the lead in hole? Th emulsion bleed is at the bottom of the lead in holes. should be .026-.029
As an European driving an american truck I stick to OEM parts as much as I can. In Germany it is very hard to keep US cars running, because those are very exotic cars over here. For example you have to take them to one of the very rare specialized workshops for repairs because normal shops do not touch US cars. It costs way more money too, 180 dollars per working hour at the shop is very normal, and you have very limited access to used parts. Every two years big discussions with the dudes from the technical inspection agencies who never saw an US car if the car is roadworthy or not. My Truck is halfway illegal due to the fact that spare parts for the truck do not have an european proofmark on it. If the cops stop you and decide that your Walker standard replacement exhaust has no proof mark and therefore it is illegal, your journey comes to a sqeeking halt. It gets towed away for a new technical inspection and a juicy bill for the whole shabang. And you can lose your drivers license for that too. For a tire shop it is somewhat illegal to bolt on bolt centered wheels because the standard is hub centered wheels. The list goes on and on. Pulling the chinese wildcard is no option at all...
@@thegreatkimber3777 we’re very lucky to live in a far less restrictive country, though we seem to be heading in that direction.
Case in point, especially when I'm dealing with like the situation. I'm dealing with people coming up to me and wanting me to work on their motorcycles and finding out there. A Chinese knock off of the Honda, 250 or a scooter or a Yamaha, 250 or Kawasaki, 250. None of the parts will interchange.They're very close but not at all.
They even even go so far as look similar too
I've never been happy with the low end, off the line performance of Holley carbs. Yes they do perform well in the upper rpm range and on race applications but I would always prefer a Quardrajet carb for an everyday street vehicle. The smaller primary style just feels better off the line and when the large secondary open when you mash it you know something happened.
I also don't care for the Chinese knockoff carbs. There is always something strange in their thinking about how to meeter fuel.
Great video. I enjoyed it very much.
Definition of a carburetor = An attempt at controlling a fuel leak!! 😂😂
You only probed the front half of the emulsion holes. They are much smaller than what you've shown
My experience with knock off carburetors is there’s no money saved. The headache of tuning those carburetors is not worth it. I’ve only dealt with motorcycle carburetors but they’ve been difficult to tune and finicky. That is not what you want.
It looks to me like the carburetor wasn't so much modeled after an original Holley carburetor as it was copied from an aftermarket upgraded version of a Holley design.
Can't wait to see how it works on an engine, how it actually performs.
Other than the obvious throttle body screws issue I don't think your conclusion is fair without running it. Hope you follow up.
@@ToddMcF2002 oh we’ll put them on my mild small block and I think based on how unbalanced that metering block is, it will be very inconsistent. I’m sure even with the datalog there will still be plenty of people willing to support it. Maybe this fall we’ll do one video with all the knock offs back to back to back.
BTW I am driving this "very rare" 98 Ford E 150 Club Wagon. There are less than 100 around in this country. People call it a "Chevy Van" or "the A-Team Car" because they don´t know better. Normal people never get the chance to see the difference, it just does not happen that US trucks are parked next to each other on the street. You may see one of the very rare F 150s or Ram 1500 from time to time over here...
The hardware they signed with you is probably a standard kit. They sent with all those type carburetors whether it has a choke. Cable or not, the hardware kit is pre-made for that. Technically, the choke electric choke version and they just send it in every kit. Even manual joke
Good review mate. I buy whatever gives me best value for money. As you have shown, the Holley is probably the better product, simply because you can get the parts for it, even if this carby worked we'll on an engine. I would be very interested to see how it actually runs and performs on a standard engine, as that is obviously the market it it aimed at
I’ve done a number of these knock off reviews. Sometime I’ll rotate them out and do a quick review of on engine performance out of the box and with what limited tuning that can be done. That’s what will end up killing them. There’s just no further support if someone actually wants to get them to run at their optimum performance and economy.
Thanks for the Video....I agree with you...USA...I try to buy American Made where ever possible. However that being said, sometimes you just can't. I have a Lawn Mower that Briggs and Stratton no longer support. I had no other choice but to buy a cheep knock off from Amazon. Surprisingly, it works better than the original ever did even when the mower was new. Mower fired on first pull and everything fit just like the original. And like your example, they included extra parts, gaskets, screws, even an air filter. and spark plug. Faced with buying a new mower or fixing the old one, the choice was easy. Less than $25 vs several hundred.
Much different situation.
You got it. Knock off is just steeling someone else's research and design. Good luck with rebuild parts. I stick to a known Holly. Thanks for the review.😊
Nice video didn't know temu sold carbs, thanks for sharing!
@@steamsoldier big steaming piles of something that vaguely resembles a carburetor!
Can you drop a Holley metering plate in and put in a Holley rebuild kit since Holley is running carbs @ close to 900 bucks for a carb that needs a lot of work to use it brand spanking new. Run it on an engine at least after you go through it like new Holley requires. Sure we are all sick of Chinockoffs, but in the current market where inflation and American companies are charging far way to F'ing much for products trying to maximize their profits to the max and at the same time crappy support and no available product making you wait months. I have waited 5 months for my CompCams camshaft which I switched from Lunati since they could not give me a delivery date which was waiting months for, so I switched to Comp to only get screwed again. The rocker arms are still back ordered until Sep 28 when I ordered them as "in stock" on April 12th. Stop knocking people who need to get their old car running as economically as possible when you do not highlight the companies ripping off Americans, providing shizz support if any at all, and taking half a year to get the product.
@@januaryonenineteenseventy4195 😆 very funny.
In all my experiences I've ever seen.When it comes to knock offs of any kind they cannot do a hundred percent 1 for 1all the cross the board due to patent infringement and possible lawsuits
It’s actually drilled with metric drills 1.65 mm 1.70mm 1.80mm 2.00mm so the number is exact size in metric drills well as good as china drill bit tolerance can be lol
I wouldn't run that on my worst enemy's car.
You're just about guaranteed to end up with a butterfly screw in a cylinder somewhere.
Which makes that a VERY expensive carburetor.
And I'll bet the metallurgy is all over the place.
Would be interesting to see how long it held up to ethanol....
The biggest thing about it does it work on the vehicle. That's what everyone really needs to know.
@@neilkratzer3182 had to know what we were working with before the install. That way we know why an area in the rpm range works or doesn’t. Part two coming up where we put all these to a simple initial adjustment and a road test with AFR data. Stay tuned!
Thanks for posting this video and breaking it down. I bought my basic Holley 3310 in classic finish back in 1996 for $189. Now, as of the writing of this comment, the same carb is $574 from the Holley site (subject to change at any moment) and the 1850's aren't too far behind that. As a consumer, it can be tempting to fall for this crap because the price is so low but there's something so fishy about it and you did a great job with your video of exposing the utter garbage one can end up with if one falls for the "too good to be true" marketing.
I am curious, were you confirm if the threads on the jets, power valve, bowl screws, idle screws etc. are SAE or metric? It would suck if this was discovered part way through a jet change or a rebuild.
Price of everything is up these days. Still plenty of cores available if it’s a carburetor you’re after. The amount of these knockoffs flooding the market should be criminal.
I remember that back in the 70's a Holley 0-4779 750 double pumper was $89, they are now close to $800.
Was waiting for u to put it on s.thing and run it to see how it works. Good review tho
@@garnethart1137 we talked about that at the end! Coming soon.
How about putting it on a motor and see what happens???
(Don't Work) won't idle no throttle response stalls when you hammer the gas.
@@peterrivney552 watch the video! There’s a plan for running the knock offs.
I work for a auto body shop and they buy the cheap Chinese knock off parts and I assemble cars and I'm always dealing with poor quality parts and fitment there is a reason they get the knick name cheap knock off lol
@@andrewforster4974 I was a manufacturers rep for quite a few years and had a client that brought in collision repair panels and parts. All China and ridiculously cheap. The mark up in that industry is insane.
The jets are metric, just like weber, mikuni, keihn, etc
Money saved and not spent... great content and thanks...🔧🔧👍
I wouldn't buy one, but the holley on my car was 720.00. This one was what you said, 90? This is why people go China. Can't beat the price. I AM guilty of buying a Chinesium carburetor for my mini bike😊
@@GroovyConlin it had just come out and I had a first time user discount. I think they’re about 300 right now. I’d still spend the 720 for the Holley.
I appreciate your videos!
If you do a deep dive into Temu you’ll find most the products are made and shipped from areas of China that are rife with slavery.
Barely sociable here on YT did a good video on it.
The jet sizes are going to be metric. So will the air bleeds and every other dimension. All the passages and slots are going to be sized promotional to each other. You can't really compare component dimensions apples to apples. This looks like a well thought out carburetor and the fact they provide multiple jets is great. Also their castings look very good and a bunch of features are better. The transfer tube, sight glass, and mixture screw seals come to mind. Feels a lot like you're looking for things to nit pick.
It's laughable being upset about a knock off of a carburetor design that old and it's not like holley is a mom and pop speed shop struggling to get by.
I got one and it sucked the accelerator pump didn’t work and after I fixed that it ideled ok ran ok light throttle but give it a some heavy throttle and gust shut down. I swaped out the Bowles on to a good old Holley body I had and it runs great with that carb body and the bowls off that pic of junk.
I agree with you, it really irritates me that its so hard to get ahold of quality American made parts.
@@stevehilligoss4982 depends on where you look. But without a doubt the last 20+ years have not been kind to US manufacturing. Given the cost of everything going through the roof and labor at an all time high. Insurance, consumables, raw materials. I’m thankful I’m at the end of my career and won’t have to deal with this much longer. I’m all for higher wages, but it does put a bigger strain on a system that was tipping towards the edge anyway.
The Americans who don't care where something is made will regret that view sometime in the future.
I was hoping you were going to try this on a motor
It's sorta like a carb that some Dumas says he remade special fer his hot rod yugo.
@@sporty196071 something like that. 😂😂
I would LOVE to save money on an Ikea-like carb "kit". Hell, if I can buy a Holley HP for 1/2 price.. I'm IN!! But.. THIS? NO. Mostly because you can't get off the shelf replacement parts. This is great if you're just trying to get an old car running, but it's not for every day driving.
@@mechanknuckle it may “look” like a Holley, but when measured, it’s not even close.
Next will be crate motors of every size for both ford and chev..🤣🤣
@@rebekahfrench5747 would not surprise me at all.
HEY kislux I have been watching you for years and im so proud of where you have made it! I love you so much! Also thanks for making my day
Made in USA. YOU GET WHAT YOU PAY FOR. A DAYS WAGES FOR A CARB WITH PROVEN HISTORY 😁
Man you must be making a pretty good wage
As long as it runs fine and until you sell the car.
Holley has lost its lustre after years and its doesnt run great like they used to.
If they are like small engine carbs, it's a toss up if it runs at all
You get what you pay for!!!! I think I will happily buy the good stuff made here in the United States 👍👍👍👍👍👍
@@jimstern4244 even a used brand name if you don’t want to buy new is light years ahead of this junk.
@@MuscleCarSolutions thank you for these awesome videos and don’t pay any attention to those folks that are to cheap to listen to you they will regret it because the screw fell out of their cheap Chinese carburetor and blew up their motor !!
@@jimstern4244 not my engine! But I hate to see folks make bad decisions thinking it’s going to save them money or time. All I can do is provide the info. Thank you! Very much appreciated. 🇺🇸
@@MuscleCarSolutions I think your doing a great service to the muscle car community keep the videos coming 👍
@@jimstern4244 appreciate that! Have lots planned. Just need the time to be able to get them all done! Thank you very much.
Hmm. Why is it missing the discharge nozzle/ squirter?
@@kensutherland414 it’s a 4160 series knock off.
The price is tempting I should've bought a brawler back when they wasn't 750
@@MVPisME383 prices rarely come down but man are things ridiculously high these days. Hopefully once inflation is better under control we’ll see some prices drop.
Parts will probably fall off it into the cylinders of the engine while running.
EVER HEAR OF MOVING THE ELECTRIC CHOKE OVER FROM THE OLD CARB TO THE NEW ONE 🤔
@@arthurn9237 it’s a manual choke carburetor. There is a difference.
2:25 They should have ordered the good, Zip Lock Bags, from Taiwan! :)
I think, these numbers are jets flow on test bench, maybe cc/min with 1 metre of water column. Sorry for my language, I'm not native speaker.
P.S. And my choice for my old cars are Edelbrock AVS2.
I’d love for that to be the case, but I’m guessing any high tech testing equipment isn’t on the menu for these knock off companies. Make them cheap and get them out the door is all they care about.
And your English or translator is good. 👍
The knock off market on Amazon is crazy. To me it looks like they have almost doubled in price
@@BPattB eBay is just as bad and they refuse to protect American brands. Their VERO program to remove knock offs is a joke. I rarely use eBay anymore and I used to drive all my sales through that site.
Holley Jet sizes DO NOT directly correlate to the Hole diameter.
The jet sizes are in mm.
Temu can sell so cheap because they compromise your personal info including selling CC numbers . This has been documented., and can be checked out with a couple key strokes.
I used the ex wife’s credit card. No one wants that info.
@@FinnellRacing smart!
@@MuscleCarSolutions Lmao, Good thinking.
I see customs have inspected the item .
this carb is a copy of somethung ?? Its got a 750 venturie size and a 600 size base plate. Even at $89 its a gamble to try and run it on any motor.
I think.
The american performance industry needs to step up its game stop price Gouging and bring quality back.It's pretty sad when a Chinese Carburetor for 217 Bucks Comes with better Machining and tunability. Then a holly or edelbrock That cost 500$
@@davidmoore9482 so you must know what their margins are if you’re accusing them of “gouging”. So what are their margins?
@@MuscleCarSolutions Two hundred and seventeen dollars for a superior carburetor off amazon 4 to 500 for Edelbrock junk
I believe the o-rings on there to provide resistance
@@stevehilligoss4982 resistance to what?
@@MuscleCarSolutionsanother word that keeps it from turning freely
In the old Holley carburetors that use cork o-ring to keep it from turning freely
@stevehilligoss4982 the cork is there to seal it. It had a black rubber one on this carb. The additional o-rings aren’t necessary. Unless there’s something more awful to this carb that we haven’t experienced yet.
Don't forget to Loktite all the butterfly screws before you test-run this pig!
@@josephfine3394 I’ll stake the hardware to ensure it won’t back itself out. Crazy they still haven’t figured that out yet.
Love Hollrey carbs😂
Throw it away
@@brracing7861 eventually that’s exactly what’s going to happen to it!
Some of the China carbs are pretty good or at least the Weber's I deal with, but I definitely wouldn't buy from tea-moo
Lord have mercy, the winning is palpable.
Put it on a engine and run it and run a Holley and compare 😂
@@markhuyette8509 we covered the plan in the video!
You missed the most important part , Does it run ?
@@dresdensvo had to gather the data on where it’s deficiencies are first, then we’ll test on a mild small block in part two. Stay tuned!
Does it work on an engine ?
These carbs are near $300 each at temu.
Another thing I hate about these things. They swing all over the place on prices. Pretty sure I bought the first one and had a discount as a new customer.
Some people want the lowest price at any cost.
You only have to change a little bit to get around US Patents.
@@PCgonerogue820 the patent on that design ran out quite a long time ago.
PLEASE, PLEASE reassemble it and put it on an engine and see how it specs out for AFR, tuning and reliability. Put the haters to bed...
@@myfastcars sometime by the end of the year we’ll run all the knock offs I collected in one video.
@@MuscleCarSolutions EXCELLENT!
it should be very interesting!!!
Will it do the job?
if they used metric threads, and metric bolts, the jets will be metric drilled...
could not pay me to put that on my engine
could you put in on an engine and see what it does?
@@georgescott1180 watch the video!
Try it on a Dyno, to see what happend !?
0:54!!! Hole Cow!! .. that worth it just to SEE it!. IRl :)
The jets are metric.
Don't be ashamed to have bought that carb. How do you think we as consumers that try to buy quality American made products spend the money for American brands and we get our what ever it is and you read on the box made in China, Taiwan, Mexico etc..
Is holley sti) made in USA
@@gregeoryl don’t know. Some they have made outside the US, but that’s their decision.
Do they make a "chominator" too ?
😳 let’s hope not!
Too bad overpriced Holley moved so much production to china. America last with Holley and their prices
@@timweb1510 I can’t knock a company for making the decision to move off shore, no matter how much I don’t like it. But when their product is essentially stolen and used against them, that’s when it becomes malicious.
By Importing U.S. law they must provide 10% spare parts. How they come up with that who knows 😊
I have several products I have made in China and have never heard of this. Can you email me a link to what you’re referring to? My website is in the channel description and you can send directly through the Contact Us section.
yea .2 mm is .078 inches
Thank you. That is one confused carb.
@@Scarlet_1971_cuda crazy how much they don’t really understand when they knock these off. Wild.
Its mm .205 mm is .00807 inches
@@truckernumber9 close! 2.05mm
@@MuscleCarSolutions yeah autocorrect was fighting me.