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Series 2's CGI Daleks had problems
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 19 ม.ค. 2023
- While the Dalek CGI used for Series 1, Series 3 and Series 4 was all excellent, Series 2's depiction of a CGI Dalek Sec has several distinct errors that make it stand out from the rest. To make matters worse, it isn't the only issue involving CGI Daleks in Doomsday...
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i think they were trying to make a convincing reflection of the daylight on the hemispheres and it got mis translated
There are trailer shots and posters of Sec with the grey bumps though, so I think it was just a production change that didn’t make it to the cgi team.
Not the first CGI glitch in Doomsday either. In the scene where the Cybermen and Daleks are battling out just fire Sec and The Genesis Ark, some of the Cybermen just fall over in really stable ways, like they get crushed by something invisible
In the hangar battle between the Cult and the Cyber-Torchwood-Preacher alliance, a Cyberman on the far left of the screen is like bent down slightly for some reason? And when he fires, the laser comes out of his knee
Ever since i was kid when i first watched Doomsday i was always so confused why Dalek Sec turned light black and silver in the sky.
First dalek episode I ever saw, dad was watching it with me as he was getting use to new who being more of a classic fan. Has nothing but high praise for the effects on the Dalek design compared to the episides he saw. So I can't help but not be upset over the little errors.
It's not clipping through the gunbox, tha'ts _Time Lord Science!_
I thought it was due to different lighting with it being outside. The plunger, never noticed it. Not really an issue. Compared to the FLUX daleks with their terrible plastic texture and rotating neck bins, secs a masterpiece!
Yeah I assume they were trying to depict the sky reflecting off Sec but the end result doesn't come across very well
Tbh, the flux daleks and CGI Sec have the exact same issue - rendering reflections is difficult. It took Pixar over a decade and at least 7 movies before they perfected the technology, what chance does BBC CGI have?
Personally though I think the flux daleks look marginally better than CGI Sec. But only marginally - on the whole CGI daleks look better rendered against space/night sky than in daylight. Hopefully with the injection of disney dollars that the new era is getting, the CGI Daleks will look a lot better, daytime or otherwise
I think all these things - which I never noticed, so well done! - were eclipsed by the show's decision to go for SDTV when the era of HDTV was already underway for 10 years. You can only spend so long watching a show in 576pSF - and badly "graded" from 576i - before you can't keep an eagle eye on anything anymore. The whole thing was a blurry mess from 2005 to 2008, and the saddest part was that the equipment to do better was attainable and everywhere. They really knew they had to transition anyway, and after The Next Doctor they were forced to upgrade.
I did notice on first viewing how the Dalek's plunger and weapon were pointed downward, and liked it. But never saw the rendering issue, or subconsciously ignored it.
I'm so glad there's a dedicated group of dalek fans.
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The idea that the Time Lords who had legalised defensive homicide to dematerialise The Doctor in _Arc of Infinity_ but couldn't impose even a casing deactivation policy on captured Daleks was a bigger issue than the special effects affairs in my reckoning.
Nitpicks for sure. I mean CGI Daleks aren't going to be perfect ever, idk why they have these little changes but it's Almost to be expect. The only time it bothered me was Magician's Apprentice because that's a Dalek that could've easy been a physical prop
I think there are two different models used for the Daleks in Series 1-4, one low detail for scenes involving lots of Daleks that is proportionally a bit less accurate, and a higher detail one for close-ups. The low detail model for Sec (seen in the wide shot next to the Genesis Ark) actually has a mostly correct colour scheme, with dark black hemis and a matte black/grey skirt. The close-up model is incorrect, and my guess is that it's actually using the same textures as the bronze Daleks, just desaturated. Probably a cost-saving measure to avoid having to completely retexture both models.
Just my guess and would love to know the story here!
The cgi also clips on the rise of the cybermen, a cyberman walks through a conversion chamber
I think of it as if James Cameron made and released Avatar 2 without waiting until the appropriate technology was available. Like yea just go for it, the kids will love it anyway!
I like this way of thinking.
The cgi models from the first few series remind me of the Character Options toy with the incorrect proportions from the same time. My theory is that the toy was made based on the cgi render instead of the prop, probably for convenience.
I think Dalek Sec, being black on black, the details would be lost if rendered 'properly' in daylight. Thus they needed to add the grey to make them visible.
That's becasue back in the day all of the CGI were done by two guys and they did their best
The base of the prop doesn't look that black compared to the other three, and the bumps (being round) reflect light differently when Sec is in the sky, so I never thought it looked wrong.
I'd always noticed that the first dalek in the Ark had it's gun and manipulator arm pointed down but never that the latter clipped through the gunbox, and now I can't unsee that. Thanks! xD
Other than the clipping I never considered that an error though. I just thought that the dalek was in a powered down state until the Ark opened.
To be fair to the CGI team, it is definitely a nitpick - after all, the Ark was quite complex to render, and they'd already allocated time and money for lots of other CGI stuff that season - The Beast, the krillitanes, the werewolf etc. But one has to wonder why they didn't just position the Dalek a bit further back so it didn't have to break the laws of physics in order to fit inside. After all the ark is bigger on the inside, could they not have spared a couple of inches?
Ive always loved the colour scheme of cgi sec And honestly wish we saw some with those colours. Possible a officer flash.
I'd love it if Character Options released a figure of CGI Dalek Sec
Never noticed the clipping of the plunger stick being bent so far down
I was always weirded out by CGI Secs colour scheme (the bottom half looks like Davros). But it didn't bother me too much.
Yeah it's one of those things where even as a kid I was like 'that's a mistake', I knew the colour scheme was off and the fact that it changes between shots is a giveaway that it's probably just a rendering error
They don't bother me because it's BBC TV CGI rendered in 2006 lol
I’m not sure I’m worried about it: as I never noticed it until you pointed it out!
would be nice if they remastered this episode with modern day CGI and Graphics to fix this issue.
I have heard that the mnodel was based on an earlier design of Dalek Sec though it does look like it has black bumps in some shots and silvery grey in others
To be honest the CGI model of Sec looks better IMO because, it gives him a sort of gun metal grey effect on the hemispheres, which I personally think is better. In some camera shots of the prop you can see the light reflecting off his casing as Grey. The CGI of Sec and the Genesis arc flying up as it opens is terrible though and really hasn’t aged well at all. However as new Doctor who was still in it’s early stages not all the CGI was great.
Overall great story, just needed more scenes between daleks and Cybermen. Xx
CGI tends to look a bit wonky in Doctor Who, especially early new series.
It's nitpicky I'd say. Though blue and silver Sec woulda been cool...
The 2005 models look better than in revolution, wish they just updated the textures for it...
This is because you have a bias. You hate the Chibnall era so ergo, youll hate any thing in that era even if that same thing happened in past eras.
@@VadersFist95
No, I'd still critique it 😅
And no I don't hate everything in the Chibnal era. They got the Cyberdesign really good, the Daleks felt more threatening and who could forget the music!!!
The Chibnal era is extremely flawed but please, don't assume stuff...
@@VadersFist95 Bruh those Flux Daleks look like radioactive crap. The way the light reflected on those daleks look like viomit.
The sec spheres look more shiny than that do a lighter colour.
@Dalek Bumps, I don't mins the errors really. I've done a fanfiction set between Series 7a and 7b, The Daleks are the main villain along with their three leaders, Red Supreme Dalek, Dalek X, and a Gold Dalek, with Bronze Hemispheres and Slats known as the Fleet Commander Dalek.
Honest Not Everything From Whatever Dalek That Has A Color Beside Bronze Would Seem To Not Copy It.. Correctly For CGI Dalek Models (that just my thought)
I offer a video about all the good daleks, in chronological order
I think that the CGI sec looks more metal
I think they are nit picks ive watched these episodes many times and ive never noticed these errors probably becuse there so fleeting especially the clipping plunger arm
Gonna be a sheep he and says it's based of concept art, as I remember The Lone Dalek saying something along those lines and so far apart from one question, he hadn't been wrong
If you're wondering what question stumps him, it's what powers the special weapons Dalek as it lacks solar panel slats like it's counter parts.
Tbh I never had a problem with the cgi back in the day. The sec model did bother me though but overall its alot better then today's who. Though they will never beat series 1 gci daleks
you see, i'm in two minds
on the one hand, it serves a purpose and works well even with the errors
on the other, litterally all pre series 3 dalek CGI was ropey AF, so is it a case of i know but let the story talk or am i too used to it being ropey i can live with it? i honestly don't know this answer, but at least it was better than that one scene in flux, god that dalek animation was awful, at least pre s3 look like it could fit in to the footage while being ropey
Nic picks as I never notice nor do I care... It's always funny seeing Rose almost get sucked into the void.