The NVX venting is smaller by design. Smaller holes that are working in concert with the center pole vent create greater velocity and controlled directivity. The air gets to where it needs to and leaves in a hurry providing better cooling. The “weave” is actually a carbon fiber reinforcement of the non-pressed cellulose cone, adds rigidity without the weight of heavier plastic polymers; gives you the best of SQ/SPL. Of all these subs, NVX ranks best bang for my buck all day long. ;)
I'm running 4 XFL-15s in my Tahoe on an American Bass VFL-450.1 (The old silver one rated 4300 RMS @ 1 ohm, not the weird new black ones around 2300 RMS) at 0.5 ohm. They sure can take a beating. Definitely underrated wattage on these subs
And I know it's hard to do all the videos on your own budget but pay NO attention to the haters you do a great job and your videos really help inform the everyday/average joe like my self.You need some sponsor's bro you deserve it .👍🏾👍🏾👍🏾
Never a single sundown. Garbage subs. Lol, Try a DD Audio, Gladen SQL, or Rockford T2, and hybrid audio and now you speak my language. You have no clue who I am. Peep my vids. My new zapco Z150.4AP mid range amp cost not than people's cars. If I paid full price for any of my audio that is. Dealers never do tho.
@@boosted4g638 OH your one of those types " One of my subs cost more than your whole car" Types of jackass.lol If so then why are giving crap feedback to a small channel Trying to rain on a cool dudes hobby What an uppity douche bag
Chief9-10 no shit huh? We should be encouraging the kid, not breaking him down. Especially coming out of his own pocket. Fu@k Shay Benson. Must feel super secure taking kids lunch money.
Shay, Why don't you buy one of those subs and send it to him to test? Or just send him the money for one of those high dollar subs with your request and I'm sure he'd happy to test one
Nice video Parker. Thanks for playing them all two. Good editing having the subs ready to play as soon as you were done describing them. I know that's a lot of work to switch out them subs and set em back up each time. Kudos.
Thanks for the video! I was thinking about getting a single Skar 12 but after this video I think I'll take the American Bass. If you pause @7:29 you can see where the Skar "dimples" come from. They line up directly above the screws for the spider. Lucky I found this video or I would have bought them!!!
SQ, power handling, and budget friendly don't usually go together. That said, for a noticeable increase in volume you'll need to at least double rated power. The rule is a 3 db increase for every doubling of power or doubling of woofer cone area. Tropo 15 is 450 watts RMS I believe, so assuming for something in the 1000 watt range, decent sound Q, I'd say American Bass XR series (NOT RX) . It's got composite cone, 1200, rms rating and it's decently priced. Sounds better than the XFL also. Don't get me wrong, it's still loud af, but more SQ oriented. Bob, the owner of American bass has stated its his favorite woofer they manufacture more than once on the phone. I can plug you with a good price if you need one. They retail around around $230 I believe. If budget to you means more than 200, it opens the door to many better woofers as well.
@@chief9-10-games5 look at the amp dyno run of the Orion hcca 3000splx. Through out 5000 rms at 1 ohm certified, and dynamically it burped out over 7k rms. So do your hw before you bash a company. So Orion missed their mark in the Ztreet line, people who want quality sound pay quality prices
Those dimples usually happen when u push the spider or surround past there throw point and it kinda makes a hexagon usually comes from playing well below box tuning, but a 2.4 db difference is a lot between the mvx and skar
Have two Skar VD 10"s. Running skar 1200.1 @ 1ohm. Man im impressed with these subs. they get ridiculous Excursion spl and clarity. Rated at 500 watt RMS but I'm feeding them 750 each on The Daily. They pound! Extremely underrated subs and amps.
Got two skar svr 10s running on a taramp 3000 at 1 ohm. Had it on a skar 1500 and that amp was a complete pos. Draws my battery way down and doesn't even hit that hard and when I'd play deep bass it would drop to 9 volts and clip like crazy. Taramp 3000 and my volts stay at 14-13v and hits way harder with no clipping. Lowest it drops is 12.7 with gain at half on rebassed songs. Stock 75 amp alternator and stock 750 ca battery
I REALLY like the NVX subs, I have a AP TXX-BDC2 and it misses the mark on SQ but can't be beat on SPL by any other sub in it's price range of $100. I really want two NVX 12's in a large sealed for my daily commuter.
Cool comparison Parker stay pushing your knowledge forward buddy, the more you know the better you can teach and inform others, great job bro keep it up
this really helped me see how good the EVL is . i’ve planned to get one for the last week it’s just a matter of when i’m financially ready for it . i wanted it mainly because i have an RP 2000 just like yourself, but i want it all to be Skar so i can put a Skar sticker on my trunk and not feel guilty for having an (insert sub name here) . lol . but yeah . and plus skar subs just look good . maybe one day when i get bored i’ll try American bass out but definitely helped me see just how good the EVL is and matched up with others . LOVED this vid . 💯💯
Thanks for all the good videos you posted in this series. Very entertaining. I'd like to see you test the Skar VXF line at some point. They look killer for the price, just over $200.
Just impulse bought an American bass xr10 and I'm loving it and it's not even broken. it's sounding better every day. Sq version of xfl. 3" vc, 200oz magnet. Already best sub ive ever had
Those dimples in the cone are the bolts holding the spider ring down hitting the cone, due to over excursion.. those bolts hit the cone before you actually bottom out the former. Turn that sub sonic up almost half way.. they will break all the way through if you’re not very careful.
Right on man cool vid! I’m a bit of an AP fan but for me custom subs with 4 inch coils are my preference but custom subs are not cheap and unless you dump tons of money into batteries an Alt or 3 fatty wires ect ect you can just be smart go budget build and still be happy. I hope to keep seeing your vids well off into the future maing!!!! Cause you do a real good job.
Yeah no doubt. Heck I am just running a couple subs, on an Orion amp that pushes around 4k or so RMS at 1 ohm, though I've been running it at .8 ohms which I believe bumps it up to around 5k if I'm pushing it, plus another 300 RMS amp to some 6x9's, and I have 0 gauge running from the main (battery under the hood is a good 1k CCA) back to the secondary battery a foot away from the Amps. With the Big 3 done under the hood, and exceptional grounds and all connections for the rear battery (also a 1 thousand CCA high quality marine battery) as was done everywhere.. I think I'd be pushing my battery, wiring, and alternator setup if I was to add my other sub amp, or maybe even adding my other full range 300/600 RMS amp to another set of components or 3 ways etc I think that I would be pushing it past what it can safety put out to power the Amps enough
The Skar is getting dimples on the cone cause it is smacking the spider plate. It’s common problem with the evl. Love the videos tho!!! Been between the bdc4 and xfls. This helped!!!
Remember, FS really isn’t a spec that can tell you for certain a sub will be able to have solid output down low. QT is a way better indicator for that! Higher the number the lower the sub will go. A cars acoustics/transfer function also plays a significant role in this as well. Most importantly, in order for a sub to get down and dirty low, gotta be sealed! Sealed boxes are just low note monsters!
Nothing wrong with any of these subs. But since I am running a Audiopipe amp I went with the Audiopipe sub and I love both! I will stick with Audiopipe all the way.
I have to say I’m impressed by the American Bass subwoofer. And thanks for this video! You have help me make up my mind about which sub I will go with.
Would like if you continued this category and make a poll on the next group would like to see sundown sa and infinity kappa for example. Maybe a p3 and kicker as well.
Johnny 24 I currently have 2 12” P3’s and they disappoint, but I’m limited on trunk space. I’m looking at one (1) of these in a proper box that’ll hopefully blow my 2 P3’s away.
@@tantojutsuninpo I had 2 p3 twelves in a Honda Civic back in the day and it was super loud, i used to drive by Walmart and set off car alarms lol. But I had the old style with the green dustcap. What amp are you running?
Jason Thompson I’m using the Audiopipe APMI2000 at 2ohms so just a hair under 1500 watts to both or 700ish each. My issue was a small trunk and the biggest box I could fit was 1.6 cubes each (slot ported) the box had no breathing room. I did end up getting one AP BDC4 12” in a 2.2 cube box running the same 2 ohms final but just to one sub now. Hits the lows wayyy harder and louder but def not as clean as the P3’s. Also have much less trunk rattle.
@@tantojutsuninpo I'm sure 1.6 cubes would be fine if you tune @38 hz or something, I kind of prefer the big boomy bass over the super low notes though. I've heard some AP subs that sounded pretty good. I'm loving the American Bass though, impressive subs for the price.
I have the 2 12 p3 in 4th order was on a lp750.1d but I have to 2000.1d now & it made a big difference but have metered yet. But I eventually I wanna upgrade subs soon great subs but still want more bang🤷🏽♂️
Eye test comes into play like the coil wrapping on the AB woofer seamed flawless 😎 nice plethora of bumps, brother that AP woofer looks tough af too..nice comparison and testing 🔊🔊🔊🔊
Worth noting that there's complaints out there that the skar basket is easily broken on atleast one model. Not sure about the extent of the issue but I've seen a video or two on it.
Parker you NEED to check out the NKI-12 it’s $189 it’s a crazy sub for the price I saw you do the NKO-12 but the NKI-12 is on a whole other level. This is a must I think this would be your favorite sub if you got it. 35mm of X-MAX
Good vid Parker, I like Skar subs because it seems to have best of both worlds when it comes to sq and spl. American Bass seems to be your 1st favorite, which is your second ?
This was a service to the world contemplating an upgrade. I'd really like to throw some money at a $200+ sub, but my car is a POS and my current power acoustik 124x sounds meh. Love seeing you inverted at the end cause that's what I did a few weeks ago. Opened up my 124x to another dimension in the undersized box. Been eyeing Skar but starting to question the looks of the dust cap. idk yet
@@lukeglavan yes I got one in a large ported box and it hits harder than the 2 Punch P3 12’s I had before using the same amp. Very happy with this sub. It def hits lower but not as good for non-rap music.
I recently got 2 of the xfl 12's, they're the new style identical to yours but have a high roll surround with no ribs and the voice coils have black glue that more resembles the skars coil you showed. Fantastic subs, just thought it was strange the subs could vary with the same model number xfl 1244
Keep up the work Peter we need more ppl like u in the car audio TH-cam scene just a average consumer spending his money to test products and give his opinion on them...u made me a subscriber just off that
Put a Gravity war zone 12" next to that. I went cheap and figured F it ill at least blow one and see... 6000peak Rockville amp on two g3's(1 step below W.Z's but not their cheapest) 170 a pair and they still slappin' not the greatest on quality but I think with the W.Z's and the right set-up, 💎 in the rough
Pretty sure he is just turning the volume down so they isn't clipping as badly on playback. Would take specialized equipment to properly handle the SPL caused by bass I am pretty sure and I'm uncertain if anyone really bothers to make such equipment because it's not something in demand.
I think really you just get what you pay for so as long you as you don’t get something ridiculously cheap and you get something you personally like that fits your needs you will be fine
Hey appreciate your videos! I actually got an American bass Titan the 3000 w aluminum basket version then the 15 in. It has the 3in voice coil and over 200 oz magnet. I love that Titan is clean musically it sounds nice and tight and really punches some air! I would love to see a video on the Titan line. I already got one of their 12in Titans and they are awesome as well. Running them with the taramps 3000.1 now my system rocks. Thank you!
@James Tyler I just bought a 2nd new xtr 2500dz. Ain't even filed taxes yet. If u live paycheck to paycheck pry should be saving that tax money. But I hear ya I'm ready for all the deals next month when they broke. Need a new TV for my garage... Long as NFL don't end up cancelling over this Corona virus 😷😫
I wish I hadn't been so stupid in my early days and exposed myself to loud music especially powerfull bass - got serious hearing damage now - all my top frequency from 3.5K is gone forever!! never believed it when I was young.
@Jordxn im underpowering the subs due to so i wont damage the alternator but im running the skar marine rp 800.1dm its 800 watts rms still sounds strong and will be punching hard
It’s a common misconception that copper can’t handle heat when in actuality the melting point of copper is significantly higher than aluminum. Aluminum’s better at heat dissipation but you sacrifice motor force and low end output. I’m a copper guy or as a compromise a cca guy but I never like the sound of pure aluminum coils.
You do know that you can't stick 4 different subs into the same box and expect them all to perform at their peak, right? Each of those subs has different airspace and port tuning requirements. You should know this, bro. The test was not fair at all, it only demonstrated which subs sounds best in YOUR box. 🤦🏻♂️
It would take a lot to make all these shine and make all of them n a different box this is a budget minded person with sub ten K subs ik when I build a box it can cost me 250 easily
It's still a flawed review. It doesn't show which sub is best. If someone has a smaller box or is tuned to a different frequency then they would have different results. So basically the test was useless unless you have an identical box.
@@tomaskobel3446 I think it is an opinion just like everything on TH-cam, he did the best he could with what he had, but yes u could throw a sa 12 n a burp box and our do most of any 700$ sub by just changing the box bur he is just showing what the average bass head can do with what he has we all r here for the same reason #ftlob
I think you should preface this with what your electrical setup is. amp, batteries, wiring, etc. You are likely not running a cheap setup with no batteries on a stock alternator. This may lead people to believe that they can acheive 140+db just by buying these subs and throwing 1k watts at them when that is definitly not the case.
You absolutely missed a sub man. The EMF Lowballer. Under 200 and would smoke them all. I think Sean even has them marked down from 199 to 179 right now.
Yeah man there are a ton of great options for under $200. These are just the 4 that I had and people had been asking me to make a video of which one I liked best
@@ParkerTheBasshead I promise you will like that sub, soundqubed gets it, I just hit the 150 club with 4 DD 615s no wall 10in aero port no wall with a DM2500. Stoked you did this review.
You can make any sub sound clean, its all in the box, i had 2 xfl's which would blow the skar evl's away but sounded way better as well in the box i built for them
Very nice video. Been waiting to see the end comparison. I like AB subs as well. Currently running two AB XR 12's on an Orion XTR 2500.1dz and they slam. I have two Soundqubed HDC3 18's and another Xtr 2500 to strap together, with a Orion XTR 750.4 just waiting to go in, but I haven't been had the time or energy to build a box and put it all together yet.
I've 2 audio pipe quad stack,they hit so hard .I'm only giving them 1500 to share running at 0.5 ohm,they will no doubt take double what I'm able to give them
any sub with a double spaced spider like the american base is designed better because it holds the coil in the centre of the motor slot better.............
Definitely not made for real SQ. Just decent sounding daily sub. Real SQ subs sound a lot different this is given that the enclosure is on point with the vehicle acoustics and tuning.
@@anthonyfejeran1891 totally wrong!! A 2k and you'll be good as long as your not clipping... All day everyday been there done that for over yr and half no issues what do ever... Just ppl can't stress enough to get a volt meter to monitor voltage and clip indicator knobs are well worth the 30 bucks and blown subs
The NVX venting is smaller by design. Smaller holes that are working in concert with the center pole vent create greater velocity and controlled directivity. The air gets to where it needs to and leaves in a hurry providing better cooling. The “weave” is actually a carbon fiber reinforcement of the non-pressed cellulose cone, adds rigidity without the weight of heavier plastic polymers; gives you the best of SQ/SPL. Of all these subs, NVX ranks best bang for my buck all day long. ;)
Awesome,I was thinking bout buying two nvx122 12's go with my 4 fosgate 8's.
Was thinking of doing the NVX VCW V.3 15’s for the best sql. They’re the newer version 1200 watts rms a piece.
Love the way the Skar looks and underdog story is always a good story.
I'm running 4 XFL-15s in my Tahoe on an American Bass VFL-450.1 (The old silver one rated 4300 RMS @ 1 ohm, not the weird new black ones around 2300 RMS) at 0.5 ohm. They sure can take a beating. Definitely underrated wattage on these subs
And I know it's hard to do all the videos on your own budget but pay NO attention to the haters you do a great job and your videos really help inform the everyday/average joe like my self.You need some sponsor's bro you deserve it .👍🏾👍🏾👍🏾
Really appreciate you! This is very encouraging
Never a single sundown. Garbage subs. Lol,
Try a DD Audio, Gladen SQL, or Rockford T2, and hybrid audio and now you speak my language. You have no clue who I am. Peep my vids. My new zapco Z150.4AP mid range amp cost not than people's cars. If I paid full price for any of my audio that is. Dealers never do tho.
@@boosted4g638 OH your one of those types " One of my subs cost more than your whole car" Types of jackass.lol If so then why are giving crap feedback to a small channel Trying to rain on a cool dudes hobby What an uppity douche bag
Chief9-10 no shit huh? We should be encouraging the kid, not breaking him down. Especially coming out of his own pocket. Fu@k Shay Benson. Must feel super secure taking kids lunch money.
Shay, Why don't you buy one of those subs and send it to him to test? Or just send him the money for one of those high dollar subs with your request and I'm sure he'd happy to test one
Nice video Parker. Thanks for playing them all two. Good editing having the subs ready to play as soon as you were done describing them. I know that's a lot of work to switch out them subs and set em back up each time. Kudos.
Thanks for the video! I was thinking about getting a single Skar 12 but after this video I think I'll take the American Bass. If you pause @7:29 you can see where the Skar "dimples" come from. They line up directly above the screws for the spider. Lucky I found this video or I would have bought them!!!
Should have played the same song for each sub
For the ADHD people heres the final verdict American bass #1 audiopipe #2 . Your welcome
I agree. I use AB for budget builds at my shop. That said, all of these sound like shit lol.
No. American bass. "AB". Didn't want to type it, guess I had to now anyway lol.
SQ, power handling, and budget friendly don't usually go together. That said, for a noticeable increase in volume you'll need to at least double rated power. The rule is a 3 db increase for every doubling of power or doubling of woofer cone area.
Tropo 15 is 450 watts RMS I believe, so assuming for something in the 1000 watt range, decent sound Q, I'd say American Bass XR series (NOT RX) . It's got composite cone, 1200, rms rating and it's decently priced. Sounds better than the XFL also. Don't get me wrong, it's still loud af, but more SQ oriented. Bob, the owner of American bass has stated its his favorite woofer they manufacture more than once on the phone.
I can plug you with a good price if you need one. They retail around around $230 I believe.
If budget to you means more than 200, it opens the door to many better woofers as well.
@@boosted4g638 And what trash do you run don't tell me Sundown OVERPRICED trash lol People like YOU always talking ish
@@chief9-10-games5 look at the amp dyno run of the Orion hcca 3000splx. Through out 5000 rms at 1 ohm certified, and dynamically it burped out over 7k rms. So do your hw before you bash a company. So Orion missed their mark in the Ztreet line, people who want quality sound pay quality prices
Those dimples usually happen when u push the spider or surround past there throw point and it kinda makes a hexagon usually comes from playing well below box tuning, but a 2.4 db difference is a lot between the mvx and skar
Have two Skar VD 10"s. Running skar 1200.1 @ 1ohm. Man im impressed with these subs. they get ridiculous Excursion spl and clarity. Rated at 500 watt RMS but I'm feeding them 750 each on The Daily. They pound! Extremely underrated subs and amps.
Got two skar svr 10s running on a taramp 3000 at 1 ohm. Had it on a skar 1500 and that amp was a complete pos. Draws my battery way down and doesn't even hit that hard and when I'd play deep bass it would drop to 9 volts and clip like crazy. Taramp 3000 and my volts stay at 14-13v and hits way harder with no clipping. Lowest it drops is 12.7 with gain at half on rebassed songs. Stock 75 amp alternator and stock 750 ca battery
@@cheddarballs864 Interesting who Woulda thought a 3000w amp would be more powerful and hit harder than a 1500w.👌
I REALLY like the NVX subs, I have a AP TXX-BDC2 and it misses the mark on SQ but can't be beat on SPL by any other sub in it's price range of $100. I really want two NVX 12's in a large sealed for my daily commuter.
Audio pipes all day son
12:06 the little bug had me dying 🤣🤣🤣
Cool comparison Parker stay pushing your knowledge forward buddy, the more you know the better you can teach and inform others, great job bro keep it up
The XFL is such a damn nice looking sub imo. I love that ribbed surround and the red stitching looks great.
I really appreciate the effort you put into what you do man. Please keep the videos coming.
If you are going to run sealed definately get the NVX VCW.
this really helped me see how good the EVL is . i’ve planned to get one for the last week it’s just a matter of when i’m financially ready for it . i wanted it mainly because i have an RP 2000 just like yourself, but i want it all to be Skar so i can put a Skar sticker on my trunk and not feel guilty for having an (insert sub name here) . lol . but yeah . and plus skar subs just look good . maybe one day when i get bored i’ll try American bass out but definitely helped me see just how good the EVL is and matched up with others . LOVED this vid . 💯💯
Caleb Skunza the EVL is a great sub you won’t be disappointed!
I have the 15' EVL. Nice clean bass
Thanks for all the good videos you posted in this series. Very entertaining. I'd like to see you test the Skar VXF line at some point. They look killer for the price, just over $200.
I know!! That’s what I wanted to get instead of the EVL but more people voted on the EVL. But I plan to get a VXF sometime
Ive had vxf 12 and 15 right now.i don't care for the vxf 12 basket.
I have 2 vxf 12s on a smart 3k
They still need to make a 10 inch vxf. Might have sonthing to do with the oversized cap.
Just impulse bought an American bass xr10 and I'm loving it and it's not even broken. it's sounding better every day. Sq version of xfl. 3" vc, 200oz magnet. Already best sub ive ever had
I really need to get an XR ASAP!
rmblwgn I got a sa10v3 and was gonna switch to either a xr10 or a xfl 10 I just can’t decide which one
@@israeltorres4109 get xr10 run 1000-1500rms
Honestly you've helped me decide on which brand I want after watching your videos... Xfl getting 4 of them... Very helpful video... Thanks...
Really glad it helped!! You won’t be disappointed
Would a taramp md3k do the job?
Those dimples in the cone are the bolts holding the spider ring down hitting the cone, due to over excursion.. those bolts hit the cone before you actually bottom out the former. Turn that sub sonic up almost half way.. they will break all the way through if you’re not very careful.
Right on man cool vid! I’m a bit of an AP fan but for me custom subs with 4 inch coils are my preference but custom subs are not cheap and unless you dump tons of money into batteries an Alt or 3 fatty wires ect ect you can just be smart go budget build and still be happy. I hope to keep seeing your vids well off into the future maing!!!! Cause you do a real good job.
Yeah no doubt. Heck I am just running a couple subs, on an Orion amp that pushes around 4k or so RMS at 1 ohm, though I've been running it at .8 ohms which I believe bumps it up to around 5k if I'm pushing it, plus another 300 RMS amp to some 6x9's, and I have 0 gauge running from the main (battery under the hood is a good 1k CCA) back to the secondary battery a foot away from the Amps. With the Big 3 done under the hood, and exceptional grounds and all connections for the rear battery (also a 1 thousand CCA high quality marine battery) as was done everywhere..
I think I'd be pushing my battery, wiring, and alternator setup if I was to add my other sub amp, or maybe even adding my other full range 300/600 RMS amp to another set of components or 3 ways etc I think that I would be pushing it past what it can safety put out to power the Amps enough
All excursions
Nvx 4:40
Evl 8:15
Ap 12:06
ABass 15:21
The Skar is getting dimples on the cone cause it is smacking the spider plate. It’s common problem with the evl. Love the videos tho!!! Been between the bdc4 and xfls. This helped!!!
Interesting! Thanks
Good to know, but sure doesn't seem like the mechanics are functioning properly
I have 2 EVL’s and both have those dimples. They both play fine though.
Remember, FS really isn’t a spec that can tell you for certain a sub will be able to have solid output down low. QT is a way better indicator for that! Higher the number the lower the sub will go. A cars acoustics/transfer function also plays a significant role in this as well. Most importantly, in order for a sub to get down and dirty low, gotta be sealed! Sealed boxes are just low note monsters!
Down and dirty yeah but ground pounding maybe not as much with sealed
2.7 cube box, but the NVX prefers 1.85.. Plus u said the NVX sounded cleaner.. NVX it is..
Nothing wrong with any of these subs. But since I am running a Audiopipe amp I went with the Audiopipe sub and I love both! I will stick with Audiopipe all the way.
I can feel the bass in my ears while using my samsung buds
Salute to you Parker... I know doing these comparison videos are tedious.
Thanks for keeping us informed so that we can spend our $ wisely.
👍😎👍
Skar for the win!!
Yes sir!!!
Never
I have to say I’m impressed by the American Bass subwoofer. And thanks for this video! You have help me make up my mind about which sub I will go with.
Would like if you continued this category and make a poll on the next group would like to see sundown sa and infinity kappa for example. Maybe a p3 and kicker as well.
Johnny 24 I currently have 2 12” P3’s and they disappoint, but I’m limited on trunk space. I’m looking at one (1) of these in a proper box that’ll hopefully blow my 2 P3’s away.
@@tantojutsuninpo I had 2 p3 twelves in a Honda Civic back in the day and it was super loud, i used to drive by Walmart and set off car alarms lol. But I had the old style with the green dustcap. What amp are you running?
Jason Thompson I’m using the Audiopipe APMI2000 at 2ohms so just a hair under 1500 watts to both or 700ish each. My issue was a small trunk and the biggest box I could fit was 1.6 cubes each (slot ported) the box had no breathing room. I did end up getting one AP BDC4 12” in a 2.2 cube box running the same 2 ohms final but just to one sub now. Hits the lows wayyy harder and louder but def not as clean as the P3’s. Also have much less trunk rattle.
@@tantojutsuninpo I'm sure 1.6 cubes would be fine if you tune @38 hz or something, I kind of prefer the big boomy bass over the super low notes though. I've heard some AP subs that sounded pretty good. I'm loving the American Bass though, impressive subs for the price.
I have the 2 12 p3 in 4th order was on a lp750.1d but I have to 2000.1d now & it made a big difference but have metered yet. But I eventually I wanna upgrade subs soon great subs but still want more bang🤷🏽♂️
Eye test comes into play like the coil wrapping on the AB woofer seamed flawless 😎 nice plethora of bumps, brother that AP woofer looks tough af too..nice comparison and testing 🔊🔊🔊🔊
Worth noting that there's complaints out there that the skar basket is easily broken on atleast one model. Not sure about the extent of the issue but I've seen a video or two on it.
NVX & American Bass. Tough decision.
Your comparison vids are the best out there!!!!
Audiopipe ftw
Parker you NEED to check out the NKI-12 it’s $189 it’s a crazy sub for the price I saw you do the NKO-12 but the NKI-12 is on a whole other level. This is a must I think this would be your favorite sub if you got it. 35mm of X-MAX
Gotta love americanbass!! Great vid man
Thanks dude!
I have noticed that the audio companies are focusing more on spl and less on sq . Jlaudio and mtx do a good job at both Orion is another
When companies started outsourcing to china and pretending tsp'd didn't matter everything went to shit. Zero upgrades in 14 years.
Good vid Parker, I like Skar subs because it seems to have best of both worlds when it comes to sq and spl. American Bass seems to be your 1st favorite, which is your second ?
Personally the audio pipe would be my 2nd as it dug lower but the EVL was a close third
@@ParkerTheBasshead Thanks bro
The AudioPipe's cone is under the stiff woven cap. That stiff cap helps keep the cone in shape but that curved woven facia is the cap, not the cone.
I think audiopipe needs more recognition ill take ap over kickers anyday but ab over ap only the hd lol that rhymes
This was a service to the world contemplating an upgrade. I'd really like to throw some money at a $200+ sub, but my car is a POS and my current power acoustik 124x sounds meh. Love seeing you inverted at the end cause that's what I did a few weeks ago. Opened up my 124x to another dimension in the undersized box. Been eyeing Skar but starting to question the looks of the dust cap. idk yet
I have 2 nvx 12 "and these subwoofers are very strong I have used them for more than 4 years and they still sound without problems
I'm still rocking a Elemental Design 12" 13Ov.2 subwoofer for my home theater. It won't quit. This video gave me some good options.
I have built a lot of subs over the past 20+ years. I will take the American Base all day long over the others.
That boy playin that ‘em 💪🏾💪🏾💪🏾💪🏾💪🏾
Well, I already have the APMI 2K amp so it looks like I’ll be getting the AP BDC4. Thanks for the video
Did you end up getting the bdc4 i wana get 2. Please let me know
@@lukeglavan yes I got one in a large ported box and it hits harder than the 2 Punch P3 12’s I had before using the same amp. Very happy with this sub. It def hits lower but not as good for non-rap music.
Did you have to upgrade your power supply? (battery etc )
I recently got 2 of the xfl 12's, they're the new style identical to yours but have a high roll surround with no ribs and the voice coils have black glue that more resembles the skars coil you showed. Fantastic subs, just thought it was strange the subs could vary with the same model number xfl 1244
Love EVL 12D2 😍
Keep up the work Peter we need more ppl like u in the car audio TH-cam scene just a average consumer spending his money to test products and give his opinion on them...u made me a subscriber just off that
Lemme just say I have't had any of those subs but ive have the audiopipe' bd4 15s and bd2 12s and they sound really good for the price.
Visually I think the BDC4 is most appealing. Personal choice of course.
I NEEDED THIS VIDEO! THANK YOU!
Glad it helped man!
Put a Gravity war zone 12" next to that. I went cheap and figured F it ill at least blow one and see... 6000peak Rockville amp on two g3's(1 step below W.Z's but not their cheapest) 170 a pair and they still slappin' not the greatest on quality but I think with the W.Z's and the right set-up, 💎 in the rough
I played this video in my 8" home subwoofer and my house was vibrating! What camera do you use cause it can record the bass clearly
The Last King bruh😂😂
He used a Nikon camera. Maybe a 5600 model
Pretty sure he is just turning the volume down so they isn't clipping as badly on playback. Would take specialized equipment to properly handle the SPL caused by bass I am pretty sure and I'm uncertain if anyone really bothers to make such equipment because it's not something in demand.
Dude said this just to flex his subwoofer system
At 14:33 4 AWG & 8 AWG wire ferrules will make your life easier.😏👍
Another great video Parker.
Thanks dude!!
@@ParkerTheBasshead no problem! I corrected the spelling. It's ferrule pronounced like the name.
Shouldnt same song been played for all subs?
I agree the audiopipe thermals are week i hade the bd412s and broke one trying to tighten it good work bro
Does the Rockville sticker provide theft deterrence? Like an ADT sign in your lawn?
Got eeemmmm
Hahahaha yep!! Worked pretty well so far
Exactly why I put a boss sticker on my window lol not really worth the time lol.....
@@chrisminjarez8508 Genius !
How are Rockville subs any good/clean bass ?
I think really you just get what you pay for so as long you as you don’t get something ridiculously cheap and you get something you personally like that fits your needs you will be fine
Hey! Hey! I've been waiting on this video for sure 👍. Love them all.... God bless my dude. I would really , really love to own any of those subs....
Thanks dude!!
The prices done went up on all of em
1st audiopipe
2nd skar
3rd nvx
4th american bass
Those EVL’s
I think that a common problem with those.
I have two EVL’s and both have those little dimples.
NVX is the winner in this line up in my personal experience. Best, cleanest lows.
NVX!!!
Hey appreciate your videos! I actually got an American bass Titan the 3000 w aluminum basket version then the 15 in. It has the 3in voice coil and over 200 oz magnet. I love that Titan is clean musically it sounds nice and tight and really punches some air! I would love to see a video on the Titan line. I already got one of their 12in Titans and they are awesome as well. Running them with the taramps 3000.1 now my system rocks. Thank you!
I’d take the American bass out of all of those imo
@James Tyler soooooo agreed
@James Tyler lol🤣🤣, but true
@James Tyler I just bought a 2nd new xtr 2500dz. Ain't even filed taxes yet. If u live paycheck to paycheck pry should be saving that tax money. But I hear ya I'm ready for all the deals next month when they broke. Need a new TV for my garage... Long as NFL don't end up cancelling over this Corona virus 😷😫
James Tyler how I got my bd3s
American Bass w6s really got louder then ab? That’s hard to believe
Idk what massive audio runs for, but I had one, they are another decent subwoofer for the price.
I have 2 massive audio 12's 1000 RMS and paid 179.00 each. There 279.00 on there site. ToroX dual 4's
the kicker L7 12 solo baric is now under $200 and yas #1 american Bass #2 Audiopipe #3 NVX #4 Skar
Ya there also only between 600-750 rms watts.
Ant B yeah I've heard they can easily take 1200 with proper electrical/Tune
I wish I hadn't been so stupid in my early days and exposed myself to loud music especially powerfull bass - got serious hearing damage now - all my top frequency from 3.5K is gone forever!! never believed it when I was young.
ever heard of a volume knob?? Music doesnt always have to be played at the highest possible volume :/
Lows won’t damage your hearing. It’s the highs that hurt
I have 2 xfl 10s on a smart 5k with 3 xs power batteries they can take a beating!
I like all these subs but i like the skars personally bc they kick and havent failed me yet and a new sub id try is american bass
@Jordxn i got the svr's 12 and still running close to a year and im running 2 of them and dont regret at all
@Jordxn im underpowering the subs due to so i wont damage the alternator but im running the skar marine rp 800.1dm its 800 watts rms still sounds strong and will be punching hard
It’s a common misconception that copper can’t handle heat when in actuality the melting point of copper is significantly higher than aluminum. Aluminum’s better at heat dissipation but you sacrifice motor force and low end output. I’m a copper guy or as a compromise a cca guy but I never like the sound of pure aluminum coils.
You do know that you can't stick 4 different subs into the same box and expect them all to perform at their peak, right? Each of those subs has different airspace and port tuning requirements. You should know this, bro. The test was not fair at all, it only demonstrated which subs sounds best in YOUR box. 🤦🏻♂️
Yes we all know that. This is just a general review.
It would take a lot to make all these shine and make all of them n a different box this is a budget minded person with sub ten K subs ik when I build a box it can cost me 250 easily
It's still a flawed review. It doesn't show which sub is best. If someone has a smaller box or is tuned to a different frequency then they would have different results. So basically the test was useless unless you have an identical box.
@@tomaskobel3446 I think it is an opinion just like everything on TH-cam, he did the best he could with what he had, but yes u could throw a sa 12 n a burp box and our do most of any 700$ sub by just changing the box bur he is just showing what the average bass head can do with what he has we all r here for the same reason #ftlob
Jeeze bro we're just having fun
I think you should preface this with what your electrical setup is. amp, batteries, wiring, etc. You are likely not running a cheap setup with no batteries on a stock alternator. This may lead people to believe that they can acheive 140+db just by buying these subs and throwing 1k watts at them when that is definitly not the case.
You absolutely missed a sub man. The EMF Lowballer. Under 200 and would smoke them all. I think Sean even has them marked down from 199 to 179 right now.
Yeah man there are a ton of great options for under $200. These are just the 4 that I had and people had been asking me to make a video of which one I liked best
@@ParkerTheBasshead Yeah, just thought I'd put it out there, food for thought lol
What's y'alls opinion on the t5 soundstream??
From what I hear Skar Audio is a good brand for not very much money. NVX is a good brand too.
NVX hands down on SQ but for any of the other subs I woulda picked Dark Audio Industries DKI
I picked one up and will be reviewing it soon. However, unfortunately DAI just went out of business :((
I’ve got American bass thank you and I believe it’s best bang for buck.
Good comparison video. I think a soundqubed HDS3 would be another one worth comparing with these
I agree!
@@ParkerTheBasshead I promise you will like that sub, soundqubed gets it, I just hit the 150 club with 4 DD 615s no wall 10in aero port no wall with a DM2500. Stoked you did this review.
Glad to see this video you said you were going to make!
Skar sounded the cleanest
just bought some skar subs they come in soon let’s hope they sound good
Messin With Sasquatch how did they sound
I’m planning on getting the Skar EVL 12 with the rp1200 or rp1500 amp which amp would be fine to have with stock electrical for starting off?
Messin With Sasquatch whatcha get? Idk if I should get 2 12s or 1 15
You can make any sub sound clean, its all in the box, i had 2 xfl's which would blow the skar evl's away but sounded way better as well in the box i built for them
Really big center caps are good for cooling. The center cap helps cool the sub. Other than blocking dust.
Very nice video. Been waiting to see the end comparison. I like AB subs as well. Currently running two AB XR 12's on an Orion XTR 2500.1dz and they slam. I have two Soundqubed HDC3 18's and another Xtr 2500 to strap together, with a Orion XTR 750.4 just waiting to go in, but I haven't been had the time or energy to build a box and put it all together yet.
I've 2 audio pipe quad stack,they hit so hard .I'm only giving them 1500 to share running at 0.5 ohm,they will no doubt take double what I'm able to give them
Your camera microphone win in my opinion!!
I’ve had a few different Skar systems and the bang hard and take a beating
I'll stick with my AP. hasn't failed me yet🙃💯
Ant B do u have the bdc4 12s
@@southcityexotics6761 I have 2 of them in a horn ported box
@@garrison7547 still workin?
12:09 that bug is getting it's shit rocked
Do an actual sq test on these woofers. I'll bet those nvx do the best in any environment. As in sealed or vented.
any sub with a double spaced spider like the american base is designed better because it holds the coil in the centre of the motor slot better.............
NVX is made for SQ! So to b still able to hang with those SPL Subs is pretty impresses 👍
I totally agree!!
Definitely not made for real SQ. Just decent sounding daily sub. Real SQ subs sound a lot different this is given that the enclosure is on point with the vehicle acoustics and tuning.
NVX allll day !!! yeeeeeeeeeeeew!
Out of these, I only have experience with American Bass xfls and I really liked them.
Great video Parker, I agree that xfl would be my choice as far as price and quality!
Me too Bros
12:15 the bug completely unfazed 💀😂
I'm a new subscriber. I love your videos.
Really good to hear!
Lmao 12:06 that fly wanted to feel the bass
That American bass.
It's a serious monster
What’s the best to power that bad boy
@@NinetyFourGrown96797 for 1 of these, a 1200, true RMS watts, amp would be best.
@@anthonyfejeran1891 totally wrong!! A 2k and you'll be good as long as your not clipping... All day everyday been there done that for over yr and half no issues what do ever... Just ppl can't stress enough to get a volt meter to monitor voltage and clip indicator knobs are well worth the 30 bucks and blown subs